Hosted by Jeannie Chan
This week, we complete the Governor’s story arc and find out exactly what he’s been up to before catching up with Team Prison in real time. Rob Errera joins me, Carly Mitchell, Nicole Norkin, and Ken Hywnn to discuss his shenanigans.
Rob: I’ll be honest: I wasn’t so into last week’s Governor-only semi-redemption story, but this part 2 episode made me feel better about it. I like understanding villains, and I like that he’s still batshit nuts (but with heart!). It feels like they’re showing what Rick could have been, and it does kind of strengthen the feeling that they’re mortal enemies that are pretty similar. I could write an essay. I won’t.
Jeannie: I agree. I think it’s really hard not to compare the Governor with Rick. And it goes beyond the whole ‘strong, white dude in power’ thing. In the open thread, I was trying to figure out for myself if seeing the Part 1 of all this, if understanding the Governor a little bit more, would actually make us more empathetic to his villainous ways. So I’ll repeat the question again. We know Rick. We know Carol. Now we know the Governor a little better. Does it make any easier to forgive them for what they’ve done? I could write an essay on this too. I’m way more wordy than I need to be. But Rob, you totally should! I’d read it.
Rob: The time/scene jumps in the beginning of the episode really threw me off.
Jeannie: Can we please stop with the chess metaphor already? STOP TALKING ABOUT CHESS AND LITERALLY JUST MAKE A MOVE. Sorry, guys. I just… what happened to the writing this episode? MY GOD.
Carly: Is the water dripping from the ceiling a metaphor for life chipping away at The Governor’s ability to play sane?
Jeannie: Haha, so many unnecessary metaphors! This whole cabin scene. Ugghhh. Oh, look at the Governor pensively eyeing (sorry) that headless LIAR.
Carly: Well. Looks like that dripping water gave way really quick. So long Martinez.
Jeannie: Martinez, we seriously hardly knew ye. I don’t understand why he let the Governor joined their group in the first place. Like, did you forget that he completely slaughtered your camp? You bailed on him for a reason, right? What makes you think that just because he’s got women and a kid with him, that means he’s changed? You told him you’re in charge now so you think you can actually control this guy? Or at least trust that he won’t club you in the head and feed you to zombies and take over your crew? COME ON.
Carly: I was wondering where all the minorities were in this new camp… and when they appeared in this discussion about electing a new leader my immediate thought was why are none of the minorities or women in charge? And how do these misogynistic, violent white men end up in charge?!
Nicole: I was thinking the same thing, why is it a white male that not only steps up, but is presumed to be in charge. Granted, there was some protest, but it was overridden easily enough.
Rob: I think it’s more that the person in charge has to be someone who’s willing to be aggressive and ruthless. If Carol strolled in, I feel like she’d be a contender.
Jeannie: Hm.. I don’t know. I don’t know if the writers would let a Carol stroll in to be like, hey, I’m taking over. That doesn’t seem like a reality on this show. The reality is that if someone is willing to be aggressive and ruthless and be praised for those characteristics (i.e., Rick) instead of cast out (i.e., Carol) it’s not going to be a woman. Or a person of color.
Rob: Someone remind me why Lilly left the safe apartment with doors and a food truck and shelter to live in a leaky trailer with strangers and crazy folks. She had survived just fine. If her motivation was to be with Brian, who was really depressed and beat up when he arrived, maybe she’s crazier than the Governor is. I mean, he’s not exactly a poster child for living on the outside.
Jeannie: I like how Lilly oh-so-subtly slipped in that bit about Tara and Alicia. At least this show is progressive in some ways.
Rob: When they stopped their getaway car and looked out in horror, I thought they’d found the zombie horde Darryl and co. came across when they were looking for medicine. I was disappointed it was just… zombies caught in a mud pit? I guess that’s what it would look like if a zombie outbreak happened during Spring Break. Pretty twisted.
Jeannie: Zombie pits everywhere.
Carly: Hello old Governor. That didn’t take long at all to unravel.
Jeannie: Random thought but, where is all this alcohol coming from? How come it seemed like they were living in such dire straits a few seasons ago and now all of a sudden they’re flush with.. booze?
Carly: And he’s got a new fish tank! Supersized, no less.
Jeannie: I may watch one too many crime procedurals for my own good, but I know the trophy-collecting trademark of a serial killer when I see one, and this supersized fish tank is definitely it.
Rob: OH GOD, YOU’RE RIGHT! I didn’t make that connection, but that just makes a super-creepy scene even creepier. I’m glad they didn’t go the route of trying to redeem the Governor. He’s more interesting and terrifying when he straddles good and evil. He’s just so full of feelings! The difference between the route they’re going on the TV show versus the comics arc is interesting, but it’s looking like it’s headed for the same endgame (see also: bad news bears).
Ken: Nice, I guess we all know the ‘Guv is a psychopathic murderer. For some reason it’s a little bit more satisfying knowing he’s off “baddies”.
Rob: So this whole two-episode arc was just to justify the Governor planning another attack on the prison? I feel like we could have accomplished this in one episode with much less of the apartment stuff.
Jeannie: Yeah, this could have been like a 10-minute scene.
Rob: I didn’t see the preview for next week. With that said, who thinks he’s going to miss his shot at Michonne and give Hershel a flesh wound?
Jeannie: It looks more like he didn’t actually take the shot. Next week looks like all out war between the two camps for the prison. It’s gonna be exciiiitiiing! Ugh, I can’t even begin to prepare for who might die next week. Come back for the mid-season finale, y’all!