The Walking Dead 3.7: When The Dead Come Knocking (Isn’t That All The Time?)

Hosted By Fashion and Entertainment Editor Joseph Lamour

Last week, Michonne showed her selflessness when she took baby formula to a group of people she never met who, in this world, could just deign to kill her on sight. Rick’s camp doesn’t know that she’s Andrea’s friend, which would have been helpful in getting that trust from Rick’s group right in the beginning. That, added with the fact that she cared for a sick Andrea for four months, only reinforces how good a person she truly is.

I’ve been looking very forward to the Michonne/Good Guys meeting, especially since Andrea peaced out for plumbing and Zombie Mortal Kombat nights with the kids. I’ve been less excited so for the Glenn and Maggie/Bad Guys meeting, which proved to be rather tense. This week, it’s date night! Just me and my best mate Carly Mitchell take a look at what happens when these two camps finally start to mesh.

* Ahem… Lady Mary Crawley Has Something To Say…”

Zombie Interlude

Joe: Real quick zombie-related movie news: have you seen the preview for World War Z yet?

It appears the plot only vaguely has to do with the plot of the book, since we appear to see Hobo Pitt in most of the preview. But it still looks fantastic.

Carly: Oh, I am super excited for this. It’s one of those where I saw the trailer and thought, well, I’ll be in the theater for that. Plus, Mireille Enos has me sold on it immediately. I’ve not read the book, but may have to before it comes out. I’ll chalk it up to zombie research mandated by this roundtable.

Joe: I’m excited for Enos. Anything’s better than The Killing (which I just found out was cancelled–I guess it wasn’t really shocking so I glossed right over it when it was news. LOL). Anyhow, back to this zombie apocalypse: I’ve been excited for Michonne to meet the rest of the group ever since they introduced her. I think its the end of the “aRickstocracy” he’s established because there is no way Michonne is going to listen to him if he has a bad idea–and he has a lot of those.

Carly: Hell, I’m excited to see her join everyone so she can have some actual communication with others.

Joe: Seriously. Are they really bringing up T-Dog dying again like they ever spoke to him? That’s like me mourning the loss of my mailman. You know, the one I have seen and waved hello to once. Honestly, writers. It’s not like when (SPOILER ALERT) Macaulay Culkin dies in My Girl. We never knew who T-Dog was, so we can’t truly care about it as much as you’re trying to make us.

Carly: Amen. Sometimes I even wonder if they want us to care or if they are just using it as a talking point. I thought we were over politicians being trained to cite ‘human stories.’

Joe: I have an immense fear that the “bad thing” that happens this season, like the really bad thing–so bad I won’t even spoil it by hinting at what it is (but spoilers appear at the bottom of the post)–that might have transferred from Michonne to Maggie.

Carly: I can appreciate the use of parallel experiences with Michonne and the two different “communities,” comparing which is more real that’ll lead to her opening up. It’s a little heavy-handed, but I’ll take anything that moves us away from her strong and silent go-to.

Joe: Thank you for letting her open up a little bit, writers. Good on ‘ya.

And Now Introducing….

Carly: What? We’re not going with Asskicker? But that’s such a perfect way to jump the shark!

Joe: Wee little Judith Grimes, you have a lot of sour pusses in your future. Thanks for not changing it, Television Gods. I don’t think “Asskicker” would be jumping the shark. Naming her “Hope” or “Faith” would. I’m talking to you, Passions.

Carly: Boy, when The Governor said, “You’re doing us a great service,” to the dying man, that really creeped me out. What a great way to set up a something’s-not-quite-right scene.

Joe: Truth. Also, for Pete’s sake, Merle, using that same tired-ass Chinese food joke…

Carly: How much does The Governor trust Merle? He appears to let him be the leader and doesn’t let on in an obvious way that he thinks Merle is a little morally off-kilter…but…surely he sees it?

Joe: If a zombie spent a little time with Merle, it would whisper that it was uncomfortable to its friends. I don’t think The Governor cares. As long as Merle does what he says. In other news, that Glenn fight scene with the zombie made him like 400% more Daryl. This basically means hes four times as hot now.

Carly: Agreed times two. At this point I’d love a show with just Glenn and Daryl. Maybe a Christmas special? Too much to ask?

Joe: Why don’t we live in England where they have Christmas specials that have nothing to do with the show–and are super cheesy–but I still love them (I’m talking to you, Dr. Who!) That is what America is missing…oh god, The Governor wants to talk to Maggie. I really may be right. Not happy about that.

Carly: The psychological violation: removing her shirt, positioning her, talking to her respectfully the whole time as if he’s allowing her to do much of these things…that’s scary and right in the wheelhouse I’d expect from him. I’ve gotta give credit to the show that they didn’t use an obscene amount of footage of Maggie weeping and in terror despite clearly being able to hear everything happening in the other room. Removes some of the torture-porn element that’s so popular in horror these days.

Joe: Very, very true. It’s just as horrifying though. Other shows should take note.

Carly: All that being said, I’ve noticed a theme of ‘big military’ against ‘rebels’ and how big military can be sinister and rebels can be chaotic. The torture of women psychologically and physically is hard to avoid in conversations about war, even small scale wars.

Joe: Yeah. It’s a whole underdog thing here because, clearly, The Governor is more prepared for a large-scale fight should the need arise. I mean, they just looted all those soldiers’ weapons. It’s going to be an unpleasant battle.

Nu-Americana

Carly: I think I’d like that shot of the walkers pounding on this boarded-up cabin as a painting.

Joe: It would be lovely, in the style of Georgia O’Keefe.

Carly: Think Homer’s Snap the Whip. Over the fireplace.

Totally the same.

Joe: I love the guy doing the face plant in Snap the Whip. P.S. When you said Homer’s Snap the Whip, I immediately thought of Smithers singing “Licorice Whip” on The Simpsons. I am a bad art-degree holder. LOL.

Carly: Thank you, Michonne, for showing some sense, for goodness sake! I can’t believe they even let him load the chamber.

Joe: How did cabin guy survive that long?! It seems like he isn’t really one for sense, keeping his dead dog inside the cabin…maybe that was to keep the walkers away?

Carly: I can’t give that guy too much credit for having a survival plan after threatening to call the cops.

Joe: I guess that’s true. It’s, like,who did they think they were? Someone that was going to rob his house using their pack of zombies as scare bait?

Carly: That was it for the dying man? I mean, that’s it? Maybe we’ll get some interesting backstory on Milton now, at least, or maybe it’ll push The Governor into some new incident with his daughter.

Joe: I think that scene was to show that Andrea was compassionate for him. He seems like a character that will a) die in the season finale while helping Rick’s group as a thank-you to Andrea or b) a new part of the group while doing the same things for Andrea.

Carly: But he seems to have a good relationship with The Governor, too, helping with these jerry-rigged experiments. I don’t know how quickly he’ll jump ship.

Joe: I’m pretty sure The Governor would throw Milton to the dogs in like…a second. Just wait for him to do that, and you have your turncoat for good! P.S.: I’m watching The Good Wife as I copy my comments from my notes to here, and Milton (Dallas Roberts) plays Alicia Florrick’s (Julianna Margulies) cute and clever gay brother. It’s weirding me out a little bit.

Carly: And just as I was thinking hey I think I’d be okay with Maggie going, she steps forward and confirms that, yes, I would like her to die now.

Joe: I mean…you can’t fault her for looooooove, can you? Plus, only Carl, Carol, and Beth are at the jail. I’m okay with any of them going, except for the new queen of snark, Carol…who better not die now. Do you hear me, Walking Dead television credits?!

Post Un-Mortem (GRAPHIC NOVEL SPOILERS–AND TRIGGER WARNING–AHEAD)

Joe: So, in this episode, the greatly feared event this season happens to Maggie instead of Michonne. In the graphic novel, in order to get the location of the prison, he captures, tortures, and rapes Michonne in order to get the information. This, while tense, was thankfully very toned down from what’s in the graphic novels. It would have caused such an outrage if it had happened just like that.

Carly: I don’t know his character from the books so…I say that, even though they haven’t given us a lot of details on his life perspective, raping her seems way over the line for him. Everything we’ve seen so far–his caring for his daughter, having Merle and everyone else but him prep the toothless fighting zombies, his intervention with the interrogation of the [women]–it just doesn’t add up to a man that does his own dirty work in that way. Not that there ever has to be rhyme and reason to rape–I’m talking solely in terms of character development. I don’t have much to say on the use of rape as the number-one tool to use on women instead of beatings (or even zombie attacks like they used on Glenn), that hasn’t been said before. It just sends shivers down my spine. I’m sure some people will feel like they may not have treated it right, but I’m glad they didn’t just throw a rape scene in there without really thinking it through.

Joe: I agree with you, but, then again, I know how much worse they could have made it. Might not matter to some, since they treated the female character differently–assuming that it was violating her in that way would get her to talk and violating Glenn wouldn’t somehow be just as effective. These men in the camp are clearly misogynists, though. We could debate this for days, I think.

Oh, by the way, Michonne Head Count was 1. She barely had time before she passed out. So what did you think about this episode, and how they handled the interrogation, and the (sort of) welcoming of Michonne, everyone?

  • Anon

    This episode, with the torture scenes and rape scaring, was a little too much for me. If something happens to Glenn I will scream and possibly stop watching the show. Also, WHY aren’t the characters communicating more? Michonne could have prepped them a bit for the place and told them what to expect. A little “your friends were attacked by a guy ranting about his brother? Something about his hand being chopped off?” MAYBE if she divulged some info, they would figure out that they were dealing with Merle. I get that this isn’t the sort of character they are making Michonne out to be, but seems like going into a battle without all the information doesn’t make much sense. And the scene with Milton and Andrea and the dying man? Why not just tell the man what they all learned at the CDC? That people are brain dead upon turning? I just don’t see what the point of keeping absolutely everything secret? Okay, okay, its a zombie apocalypse so people aren’t going to interact the way they used to, but it doesn’t feel natural to just not share anything with anyone.

  • Guest

    This episode, with the torture scenes and rape scaring, was a little too much for me. If something happens to Glenn I will scream and possibly stop watching the show. Also, WHY aren’t the characters communicating more? Michonne could have prepped them a bit for the place and told them what to expect. A little “your friends were attacked by a guy ranting about his brother? Something about his hand being chopped off?” MAYBE if she divulged some info, they would figure out that they were dealing with Merle. I get that this isn’t the sort of character they are making Michonne out to be, but seems like going into a battle without all the information doesn’t make much sense. And the scene with Milton and Andrea and the dying man? Why not just tell the man what they all learned at the CDC? That people are brain dead upon turning? I just don’t see what the point of keeping absolutely everything secret? Okay, okay, its a zombie apocalypse so people aren’t going to interact the way they used to, but it doesn’t feel natural to just not share anything with anyone.

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  • Ashley

    When it comes to Rick’s group, I like how io9 has dubbed them the T-dog Memorial Task Force. I can now tolerate all mentions of T-dog if I think of the rest of the group as his Memorial Task Force.

  • Grif

    I thought they wouldn’t put the rape scene in because it would be too much for the TV adaptation, but then again i also felt the same way about the zombie arena thing. I thought using the fear of rape against her was effectively frightening though.

  • http://twitter.com/MariselaTOrta MariselaTreviñoOrta

    I’m excited to see World War Z, too. But I’m even more excited about Warm Bodies breaking new zombie ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3ErWNBX9Rc

  • http://twitter.com/MariselaTOrta MariselaTreviñoOrta

    I’m excited to see World War Z, too. But I’m even more excited about Warm Bodies breaking new zombie ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3ErWNBX9Rc

    • Anonymous

      I was really excited about Warm Bodies too… especially since they changed a few aspects that work in the book but wouldn’t work on screen.

    • Anonymous

      I was really excited about Warm Bodies too… especially since they changed a few aspects that work in the book but wouldn’t work on screen.

  • Cherry

    Why was new T-Dog carrying all the bags like some kind of pack mule?!? I really need the writers to stop trying to make this Carol/Daryl thing happen.

    • cornellwestonzombies

      “What do you mean, why do you two have to walk up front? Cause you’re bla– I mean, new.” – Rick
      “What do you mean, why did we take so long to open the gate? Cause you’re bla– I mean, uh, new.” – Carl
      “What do you mean, why don’t we write you more lines? Cause you’re bla– I mean, mysterious.” – Writers

      • Ingemar Smith

        +1

      • Anonymous

        Now, I want to start a caption this contest. LOL.