M. Night vs. The Internet: The Airbender Mash-up

Compiled by Site Lead Arturo R. García

Recently M. Night Shyamalan, director of The Last Airbender, provided another lengthy response, though not by name, to the concerns raised by the Racebending campaign. While it’s good to read both sides of the story, of course, it’s unfortunate we never got to see the issue discussed in the most fitting manner: a public debate. As an experiment, though, here’s Shyamalan’s comments laid out alongside some notable posts about the film’s casting issues by Q. Le, Gene Luen Yang, Angry Asian Man and Derek Kirk Kim.

Q. Le: Perhaps the greatest offense that the “heroic” characters are portrayed by lily White actors while the “villainous” characters are portrayed dark-skinned Indian actors in lieu of the fact that all the characters have distinctly Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian and Inuit characteristics regardless of their “good” or “badness.”

M Night Shyamalan: Well, you caught me. I’m the face of racism. I’m always surprised at the level of misunderstanding, the sensitivities that exist. As an Asian-American, it bothers me when people take all of their passion and rightful indignation about the subject and then misplace it. Here’s the reality: first of all, the Uncle Iroh character is the Yoda character in the movie, and it would be like saying that Yoda was a villain. So he’s Persian.

And Dev Patel is the actual hero of the series, and he’s Indian, OK? The whole point of the movie is that there isn’t any bad or good. The irony is that I’m playing on the exact prejudices that the people who are claiming I’m racist are doing. They immediately assume that everyone with dark skin is a villain. That was an incredibly racist assumption which as it turns out is completely incorrect.


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Gene Luen Yang: … but then how do you explain the original casting calls, which clearly indicated a preference for white actors from the get-go?

Shyamalan: There are four nations, and I had to eventually make a decision about what nationality each of them are. What happened was, Noah Ringer walked in the door – and there was no other human being on the planet that could play Aang except for this kid. To me, he felt mixed race with an Asian quality to him. I made all the Air Nomads mixed race – some of them are Hispanic, some of them are Korean. Every monk you see in a flashback, in that world, are all mixed race because they’re nomadic. I felt that really worked as a culture. OK, so that’s one-quarter of our world population. The second group is the Fire Nation; when Dev was cast as Zuko, I said, OK, I have to cast an Uncle Iroh that looks like his uncle. We’re going to go from Indian/Persian to Mediterranean, all that group with all its darker colors including Italians.

So now we’re at one-half of the population of the movie which is not white. Moving on to the third group, which is the Earth Kingdom (which is the biggest kingdom in this fictional world): I liked a bunch of the people who happened to be Japanese, Korean, Philippine, so I decided to make the Earth kingdom Asians. Now we’re at three-quarters of the world. Now I have the brother and sister left. If you don’t have an edict of “don’t put white people in the movie” then the Water Tribe can be European/Caucasian. So that’s how it ended up.

earthnobles1 Angry Asian Man: But this is not about a bunch of fanboys being upset about how you’ve messed with their favorite cartoon. This is about an absolute failure to acknowledge and understand the broader context of race and representation, and how it’s being played out, once again, in this movie — a project many believed would be an unprecedented opportunity for Asians in a major Hollywood project.

Shyamalan: Here’s the irony of the conversation: The Last Airbender is the most culturally diverse movie series of all time. I’m not talking about maybe one Jedi, maybe one person of a different color – no one’s even close. That’s a great pride to me. The irony of this statement enrages me to the point of … not even the accusation, but the misplacement of it. You’re coming at me, the one Asian filmmaker who has the right to cast anybody I want, and I’m casting this entire movie in this color blind way where everyone is represented. I even had one section of the Earth kingdom as African American, which obviously isn’t in the show, but I wanted to represent them, too!

And I fought like crazy to have the pronunciation of the names to go back to the Asian pronunciation. So you say “Ahng” instead of “Aaang” because it’s correct. It’s not “I-rack,” it’s “ee-Rock.” I’m literally fighting for all this. And who’s getting blamed? ME! This is incredible. And so it’s infuriating, this stigmatization, that the first word about the most culturally-diverse movie of all time is this accusation. And here’s the irony of it, this has nothing to do with the studio system. I had complete say in casting. So if you need to point the racist finger, point it at me, and if it doesn’t stick, then be quiet.

Derek Kirk Kim: Everything from to the costume designs, to the written language, to the landscapes, to martial arts, to philosophy, to spirituality, to eating utensils!—it’s all an evocative, but thinly veiled, re-imagining of ancient Asia. (In one episode, a region is shown where everyone is garbed in Korean hanboks — traditional Korean clothing — the design of which wasn’t even altered at all.) It would take a willful disregard of the show’s intentions and origins to think this wouldn’t extend to the race of the characters as well.

zuko1Shyamalan: Whenever we’re on set, it’s crazy, I love it. We’re in our cafeteria, it looks like the United Nations in there! And you’re not supposed to be thinking about this because it’s so diverse. And again, this is what really frustrates me, when we get to the second movie (hopefully), since its based in the Earth Kingdom, suddenly the movie will seem entirely politically correct Asian, and the accusers will feel like they won. YOU DID NOT WIN! YOU DID NOT WIN! That’s not what happened, you were wrong. As you can tell, it’s a frustrating thing. Look at the movie poster with Dev Patel in it. I’m not understanding … he’s not politically correct? I could go on for half an hour on that subject … in the end it’s like that saying, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

Angry Asian Man: Okay, so you can’t definitively argue that anyone on Avatar’s anime-inspired fantasy realm is actually “Asian.” But all signs certainly point there. I never really watched show, but I always assumed those were Asian kids doing the martial arts. I’m willing to bet if you showed the cartoon to anyone, it’s likely they’d come to the same conclusion.

Shyamalan: At the basis of this, a fascinating thing, it didn’t even occur to me until the first mention of this came up: The art form of Anime in and of itself is what’s causing the confusion. The Anime artists intentionally put ambiguous features on the characters so that you see who you want to see in it. It’s part of the art form. My daughter looks identical to Katara; I saw my family in that series when I was watching it, I saw them in the faces. I’m sure that every household feels the same way in that they see their own families in them. It’s a fascinating thing about how people perceive it. If there’s an issue with why Anime does not put particularly specific Asian features from the PC Asian types that people think should be there … take it up with Anime animators. It has nothing to do with me.

Coming up tomorrow: Michael Le from Racebending on why this issue matters.

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Comments

  1. Darth Paul wrote:

    “The art form of Anime in and of itself is what’s causing the confusion. The Anime artists intentionally put ambiguous features on the characters so that you see who you want to see in it. It’s part of the art form.”

    Is it me, or did he just expose his own prejudices? If white kids were preferred and cast, doesn’t that say he and the casting director “wanted to see” white people in the protagonist roles per the anime illustrations?

  2. JihadPunk77 wrote:

    Angry Asian Man had a new review on his website last night and he said while THE LAST AIRBENDER was horrible, the fact is, Dev Patel’s character was actually much more complex and interesting than the white leads.

  3. Celeste wrote:

    Sorry, not buying it. Yes…the mean ‘ole POC’s are picking on Shyamalan. Putting a bunch of POC’s in the background while then main characters are white is not the kind of half-assed diversity that we’re looking for here. Enjoy your flop and try to learn something from it although the odds on that seem a bit long.

  4. Celeste wrote:

    @Jihad: Dev may have been more complex and interesting but usually the villians in kiddie movies are more complex and interesting than the heroes.

  5. MoonCat wrote:

    i’ve never seen the cartoon before but this has made me want to borrow it from the library.

  6. Twist wrote:

    Well firstly his entire argument is shaky because it depends on casting the leads in the exact reverse order that they were cast actually in. Katara and Sokka were cast first and then Noah Ringer. Meanwhile all of these are no name actors so there’s not even the excuse that they were bringing in a fanbase. Zuko was originally cast as Jesse McCartney. Dev Patel was cast last after McCartney dropped the role and after the firestorm had already started over white washing the film. The fact that the movie now has basically nothing but ethnic characters except for the leads doesn’t make it a diverse film, it just makes it a standard white man’s burden to step in and save all of the ethnic people from themselves story. Then to top it all off the actors that “had” to be cast because they were the best actors available and so much better than any POC actors out there right now? – can’t act.

  7. LurkingatlaFan wrote:

    Here’s the other thing, though – Zuko (Dev Patel) is not the hero. He won’t be in the timeframe (from what I saw) the movie is in. He becomes more of an anti-villain, more of a hero much later, but for that first part the movie is based on? Villain.
    I don’t think Shyamalan got the point of the series at all.

    @Celeste: I’m with you on the complex villains thing, but from what I’ve read/heard, they’ve taken a fairly complex hero in Aang and whoa oversimplified him too.

  8. Celeste wrote:

    If you want to ROFL then read Ebert’s review
    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20100630%2FREVIEWS%2F100639999
    Ebert’s last line:
    “I close with the hope that the title proves prophetic.”

    NPR’s reviewer also panned it. Oh if only all media that is this racefail could fail like this movie seems tantalizingly seems like it might.

  9. miss a. wrote:

    I really love how he acts like the casting of Dev Patel is the answer to all the racial casting questions regarding this film. It’s really classy.

  10. sejw wrote:

    *facepalm*
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    (feeling like Sokka for a moment)

    Well, there’s always another option — we could create a play based on the show, like the play about Aang’s journey that the theatre troupe did in one of the episodes.

    I think I’m going to stay away from the mainstream blogs and news outlets who are covering this movie. Reading only a few comments on the Salon.com review made my head hurt for all of the racefail bingo comments going on.

    I was talking about Avatar with my husband, and I realized how close I hold Avatar to my heart as a story that I love and can watch again and again and again. It is beloved by me, in the same way that my husband loves Lord of the Rings. And so, to see something that is beloved get ripped to utter fucking shreds is just so soul-crushing to me.

    To borrow a phrase from a friend, “It hurts my heart, man! It hurts my heart!”

  11. Tracey wrote:

    Okay, okay I’ll probably be back to comment b/c this interview ticked me off so much. Not to mention if I have to splain one mo gin that the character’s eye colors relate to their nation (blue=water),grrrrr….(not on here really but just about all other blogs). Not to mention how “race-netral” equals white and even Zuko was originally cast for a white actor.

    I just have to wonder, now that Dragonball and Airbender have been huge terribad flops where they should have had huge fanbases to draw from, that whitewashing movies does nothing for increasing revenue? That maybe they should stick to the shows and respect the original artistic visions, get POC actors to play the parts, and put some effort into the dialogue and story lines. How many whitewashed flops have to happen before someone gets the message, whitewashing won’t help you, sticking to the story and good dialogue will?

    ” “The Last Airbender” is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented. The laws of chance suggest that something should have gone right. Not here.”- Roger Ebert

  12. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Why does he keep harping on anime? He did that before already. He’s being obtuse here conflating an American-made (but possibly anime inspired) cartoon with that of Japanese ones. Who cares what the intention of Japanese animators is in the case of Airbender?? They didn’t create it!! What matters is that the actual creators of the series (a pair of Americans) stated that their work had heavy pan-Asian influences!!
    He really has no excuses that’s why he keeps trotting out the same lame reasons as before.

  13. Greg Dragon wrote:

    Let’s just say karma has a nasty way of killing projects that tick off a ton of people sometimes. After what I saw last night I had this to say about it:

    “Protesters of the movie will boycott it due to the previews looking like evil Desi people being mean to a bunch of white heroes… well that’s not too far off of what I saw but there are people of color scattered throughout the nations (thanks for throwing us a bone M.Knight). While your boycott will prevent you from seeing it anyway, let me assure you are not missing anything worthwhile so clutch your Nickelodeon Avatar Blu-Rays closely and don’t you sweat. I am not sure whether to feel sorry for Mr. Shyamalan or chalk it up to the fact that maybe he just isn’t all that great. It was a visually beautiful movie for what it’s worth, but it lacked a soul and that my friends is why it fails.”

    http://spicymoviedogs.com/1666/the-last-airbender.html

    It may make some money but 2nd and 3rd week viewings will not be so good for Airbender… how many lives does M.Knight’s career have?

  14. sejw wrote:

    Okay. I published a link to Racebending on the Salon.com comments thread. I feel better now….

  15. Brandon wrote:

    I like how he acts as though he is immune to all this criticism, because he himself is Asian.

    But what’s his track record? Samuel L. Jackson as the bad guy in Unbreakable? What else?

    He doesn’t exactly have a great history of valuing diversity in his films… and so when he gets his first chance and makes what is essentially an Asian/Native American film into a sham multicultural/diversity piece, it’s a problem.

    IF someone would take a story that’s all about white people and diversified it, that would be different. But to diversify Avatar means taking roles away from Asians, something Hollywood is already really good at.

    Only in Hollywood could someone make an argument that adding white people to the story is making it diverse.

  16. Aristo wrote:

    M. Night Shyamalan must be as bad of an actor as the Last Airbender cast, because I am not buying even an ounce of that drivel.

  17. Banna wrote:

    The movie is getting HORRIBLE reviews! It’s got a 6% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. This movie was going to fail regardless of the cast because the guy is a terrible director.

    Shyamalan fails to understand what the phrase “color blind” means. And I’m not so impressed with his whole “see I even added blacks too!” line. And as a long time anime fan I have to say he has NO CLUE of what anime is about. He’s simply using it as a scapegoat and failing at that!

    And I totally LOLed at his claim of TLA being the most culturally diverse film ever. Hell, the Matrix and the Rush Hour movies–albeit a who different group of hot mess–had more diversity!

  18. Notebook wrote:

    Y’know, M. Night maybe wrong about a lot of things, but he did bring up something that, despite being a fan for anime for years [the art style anyway] I never noticed–the “generic” anime style is rather ambiguous when it comes to race. I suppose this would kinda explain the constant debates on what race Shihouin Yoruichi “really” is, which never end well. There are plenty of artists that change things up though–despite public opinion, all anime/manga doesn’t look the same, the differences are just a lot more subtle compared to, I dunno, the difference between John K.’s style and Jon Davis’ style. Actually there are some Japanese manga out there that don’t have the usual “anime” look.

    But I digress. Even accounting the ambitiousness of the style, it’s pretty clear that the world of Avatar is based on Asian culture. I’ll admit that I’m a bit ignorant on that topic so I don’t think I’m qualified to discuss the fine details, but I can’t even imagine someone saying that the Water Tribe is Caucasian without ignoring the themes in the show. I mean seriously…

  19. Barbara wrote:

    “There are four nations, and I had to eventually make a decision about what nationality each of them are. ”

    Where are the black people?

  20. Fireball wrote:

    Given how bad this movie is judging by the reviews, I’m glad there are no Asians in the leading roles. Knowing Hollywood, they would probably blame the failure on Asian American actors not being able to “sell” the film to the audience. Let this movie flop, along with M. Night’s career and his amazing ability to not get the point. POC in this industry deserve better.

  21. sealinewuman wrote:

    Two points, about the assumption that the characters are obviously meant to be Asian/POC and about non fans of the show also recognising something screwy with the casting.

    My brother had never seen the airbender series but decided to take his 6 year old to see it, he knew a little about it, enough to assume the Asian-ness of this fantasy world, he then asked me if I wanted to go, I told him no and why, he refused to believe that the lead of Aang was not an Asian child, til I showed him the picture of Noah Ringer and the other two actors that played Katara and Sokka, he decided not to take my niece to see the flick. Her mother took her anyway because she begged and is obsessed with Katara, and it did not end well.

    My niece is a slightly tanned bi-racial, or maybe multiracial is a better term, girl with very light brown eyes and hair, she idolizes Katara and sometimes she thinks she actually IS Katara (but that’s another story and totally my fault cause I started her watching the series), but in any case she identifies with her. Her mother said she was bouncing in her seat waiting for Katara. And when she saw the girl playing Katara, she said no, that’s NOT Katara and being the little drama queen she is and already in an excited state, she started crying, well her mother said howling actually, and they had to leave the theatre.

    So yeah, Angry Asian Man was right on both counts.

  22. LurkingatlaFan wrote:

    @Notebook: The interesting thing about that is how we, as Americans, read race. In most other countries, two dots and a line reads as a face, generic to everyone. In America, two dots and a line are a face – but adding an angle to the dots instantly changes how we read the face. Anime is stylized and keeps to that everyperson look (as in the trope Only Six Faces) but because it’s still two eyes, nose and mouth, it usually becomes whatever race the viewer/reader is. The anime character of more African looks is drastically different, with big visible red lips and usually a big broad nose, because this immediately reads “Black” to the audience and usually without an overt racist connotation. Put the same face in front of Americans, they’ll see it as racist caricature.
    (I get the impression from several series the defining features for the Average American are pale skin, blue eyes, blond hair, blue jeans and cowboy hats, with women having big breasts.)

    But yes, the clothing, the mannerisms, the culture should all read Asian pretty easily. Water Tribe, full of brown people in furs, as Caucasian just doesn’t make sense.

  23. Mike wrote:

    Some early thoughts from Racebending.com cofounder Marissa Lee and her boyfriend Ken:

    http://community.livejournal.com/racebending/249582.html

    Paramount screened the film for some advocacy groups, including MANAA, the JACL, and Racebending.com.

    What was really striking (besides the horrible Charlie Chan-esque casting) was the complete loss of empowered female characters.

    This really blindsided us, though in retrospect it shouldn’t have.

    Airbender is FILLED with strong, empowered women. Women who prove themselves to be the equal (and often the better) of men, in terms of resilience, intelligence, and combat prowess.

    The film… has effectively removed all hints of this. It is now an entirely male-dominated film.

    In the original series, it is Katara (the female co-lead) who incites rebellion at the Earth Kingdom village. In the film, it’s Aang who gives the rousing speech.

    In the original, Katara overthrows the male-dominated patriarchy of the Northern Tribe, where men are the only ones allowed to learn combat training. She brings to the Northern Tribe the enlightened thinking of the Southern, and even battles their master to a duel.

    Completely skipped in the film.

    In the original, Katara battles Zuko and defeats him in a hard-won fight. Zuko regains his strength some hours later and subsequently defeats her, but it is shown that she is his equal in combat, not his lesser.

    In the film, Katara is defeated in under sixty seconds. She never gains the upper hand.

    Not to mention all the empowered women in the series who are NOT SEEN AT ALL in the film.

    It makes me wonder about M. Night’s claim that he made this film for his daughter – a young girl of color, who had a true role model to look up to in the form of the original show’s Katara.

  24. Mickey wrote:

    @ Barbara,

    Blacks are part of the Earth Kingdom, according to M. Night.

  25. vcious wrote:

    I think even if you remove this movie from its larger context of whitewashing, it just shows how you can’t adapt something well if you don’t understand its essence — and it seems like the inspiration that came from ancient Asian cultures is at the heart of what made Avatar’s world-building and characters good (and this was a conscious effort as I understand it).

    Considering how little praise has been issued towards the acting in the movie, now that reviews are pouring in, I’d say not only did M. Night do a bad job of adapting the show onto the big screen, he’s also not a very good casting director. Prioritizing white actors to roles that should be PoC – bad, inexcusable in 2010. Casting bad white actors while not looking at a wider pool of talent? Really shooting yourself in the foot.

    Good on him for being a successful Asian-American director but if he held the reins when it came to casting, then he really buggered this one up. That’s just how it is.

  26. Sas wrote:

    Well, he has a point about Zuko being the real hero of the series. I mean, that’s why Aang is only in about 35% of the episodes, and even then only as the ‘B’ plot.

    OH WAIT

  27. Barbara wrote:

    Mickey,

    MNS mentioned people of Mediterranean origin in the film (including Italians), but that didn’t automatically make me think “Black” people.

    Make no mistake I have seen every episode of the animated series, so I think it should have been an all-Asian extravaganza, but if MNS said he wanted to represent the peoples of the Earth, then *all* people should have been represented.

    I also think this should have been a trilogy to fit the story adequately. You can’t really tell a 3 season tv series in a 103 minute movie.

  28. CoffeeCoffeeCoffee wrote:

    Notebook,
    Regarding the idea that anime is “racially ambiguous” and that this means that one can ignore all other markers such as clothes, language, SKIN COLOUR, architecture and names, is absolutely ridiculous. There is also the fact that ATLA is not an anime, but an American cartoon. And how sad that “ambiguous” means “white”.

    Also:
    http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html

  29. Elton wrote:

    I’m afraid all this protesting might result in future backlash. See, the mainstream public sees racism as an either/or thing–either you’re racist, or you’re not. And of course, anyone accused of racism is going to react defensively and irrationally. Part of that misconception was caused by well-intentioned anti-racists who wanted to see racists and racism taken down. They went after the person, not the problem; after individuals, not the system. Because it’s always easier to vilify individuals as inherently evil. Hollywood taught us that.

    The perception is already that anti-racists and people of color in general are a too-serious, fun-hating bunch. I do think it’s important to speak out against whitewashing and stereotype-based casting. I mean, how absurd is it to assume the default race is white, especially when the vast majority of human beings have brown hair, brown skin, and brown eyes? How stupid is it to assume that Asian actors can’t play roles other than certain stereotypes, even in the 21st century? (Which is a good argument for science fiction–not fantasy, not drama, not action, not comedy–being the genre in which Asians stand the best chance of being represented fairly. In futuristic science fiction scenarios, I think Asians and other people of color can really shine because the burden of our modern sensibilities, stereotypes, and assumptions about race is lifted.)

    But this kind of attack on individuals, though well-deserved, is only going to make those individuals get defensive. When people are defensive, they aren’t open to learning. We should be educating the public about what racism actually is and how it works in Hollywood. We should be attacking and questioning the system. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

  30. shemari wrote:

    So according to M Night, “My daughter looks identical to Katara; I saw my family in that series when I was watching it, I saw them in the faces. ” Well does the actress cast as Katara look exactly like the character (and by extension his daughter)? Nicola Peltz does NOT look anything like Katara to me. He simply wanted what he considered would be marketable actors and that meant White.

    This movie could have been a huge opportunity to show the diversity among Asians BY MAKING THEM THE LEADS, instead of sprinkling them in the background. IMO someone from India looks very different from an Inuit or a person from China. If he wanted the diversity of non-Asians, they should have been minor or background characters.

    Finally based on his interviews and some reviews, M Night should have actually WATCHED the series. A lot of this mess could have been avoided.

  31. Brandon wrote:

    You’re right, Elton, but…

    I think that criticisms of The Last Airbender were originally about the casting choices. It wasn’t an M. Night hate-fest. Where I now think that much of the ire is directed at him is because of his defensive posture. Every time he opens his mouth, he keeps demonstrating that he doesn’t get it.

    The game is lousy and deserving of our hate, but people like M. Night perpetuate that game by refusing to listen and learn. And since The Last Airbender is the most recent, biggest, baddest example of whitewashing, it deserves all the attention its getting… and so does the guy who is responsible for creating it.

  32. e wrote:

    M. Night got paid. Paid to follow the studio edict that white actors are more marketable. Paid to make a fable steeped in Asian culture more marketable to (they believe) white audiences that only want to see white people. What’s funny– these same people don’t realize that white washing in this day & age NEVER works! The audience, particularly the core group who made the original popular in the 1st place, are smarter & more sophisticated than that! They want what made the original a hit (that includes the cast looking like the animated depiction). That’s the good will that allows the positive buzz to reach a wider audience. Not some specious notion that everyone portrayed as good in a film must be white & therefore can be related to, let alone all of the Asian relegated to villains. What kind of movie are they really making? A 40’s Fu Manchu serial?
    Hopefully this will teach them this racist idea is a dismal failure that shouldn’t be repeated.
    @ least the Hughes Brothers are talking to Kaneshiro Takeshi for “AKIRA”.

  33. sara wrote:

    One of the best things about the cartoon was the strong role of women in it.

    if the movie doesn’t do this well I think I’m going to stand up in the middle of the theatre and scream until they kick me out.

    I still haven’t seen toph in any of the teasers, I’m deathly afraid that her character might be watered down and stupid.

    please god, tell me this is not going to happen.

  34. Diana wrote:

    I don’t watch the tv series, but read a review of the film written by a fan. He mentioned that none of the characters’ names are pronounced correctly in the film. So not only is there a white-washing casting fail, it seems Shymalan in general was not taking the source material seriously. The total critical pan of the film seems deserving. Karma’s a bitch.

  35. Celeste wrote:

    @Barbara: I’m not particularly concerned with having black people in the movie (althought there were some tokens), it didn’t seem like they were represented in the cartoon so that’s not a problem. It’s the constant whitewashing that completely and totally get my goat. no matter if the character is POC or not the best answer is always white.

    @sealinewuman: I never like to hear about little kids being upset by racefail media but it’s cool that your niece *knew* that something was horribly wrong and let everybody know. Does MNS even think about all the little non-white kids that are gonna cry when they see this movie? Doesn’t seem so. I don’t think a theater full of white children would have burst into tears if the movie casting had been faithful to the animated series. I don’t think they’d be all like “Nooooooo! You *didn’t* make the main characters white, waaaaaah!”

  36. Barbara wrote:

    @Celeste : just in case my original point wasn’t clear – I am criticizing MNS for screwing up his own internal logic, saying he cast actors to represent the whole world, not that I really want Black folks in an Asian-rooted film.

  37. Arlene C. Harris wrote:

    @sara: toph is not in the film because she does not appear till Book 2

    Katara got wimped down and her badassery badge taken away. Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors, while filmed and heavily promoted in early released photos, were left on the cutting room floor (that’s right,they DO NOT APPEAR IN THIS FILM). Same for Jun the bounty hunter.

    All the strong women got wimpified or handwaved. Who’s left? Gran Gran??

  38. K wrote:

    An anime aficionado I am not, but it’s my understanding that “anime style” is not meant to be intentionally racially ambiguous by any stretch. Rather, it has its own vocabulary of visual cues and indicators for characters and their backgrounds and personality that differ from those used in Western media. Most of these characters are meant to be read as having the “default” racial/national background of their creators and original intended audience, which is to say Japanese or at the very least some stripe of East Asian. We here in the West lack the proper socialization in this different visual vocabulary to fully recognize it so we tend to miss the cues and read the characters as being our own “default”, aka white.

    Can anyone confirm/elaborate? It drives me nuts that they (and M. Night in particular) keep trying to pretend that everyone else is racist for insisting that anime has any kind of racial markers encoded for any characters at all, when in fact the problem comes from them not seeing the bias and white privileging in their own reading of the characters.

  39. Terrie wrote:

    I know at least one acquaintance who is very blind in his devotion to A:tLA, so he’ll see the movie no matter how bad it is. But thankfully many of them won’t see it once they read the reviews.

    (And to give you an idea of how blind my acquaintance is, I pointed out that I objected to the movie partially because they ignored the fact that the cultures were based on real Asian cultures. He responded that “No, they were just inspired by Asia. That’s totally different.” o_O)

  40. UU wrote:

    I’m terribly sorry, but I don’t understand. MNS was qouted as saying that when he “watched” the series, he saw is daughter in katara, so why didn’t he just cast his FREAKIN daugther as her instead! or maybe someone who remotely looks like her. I fail to believe that his daughter looks like a 12 year-old white girl, with blue eyes, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

    Secondly, he’s qouted as saying that he had, what I assume, full authority in the casting of the film, so in my eyes, he is the one to blame along with his production company that allowed for this mess to happen.

  41. f wrote:

    I even had one section of the Earth kingdom as African American, which obviously isn’t in the show, but I wanted to represent them, too!

    Can you say TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKEN?

  42. Aiyo wrote:

    He and the whole film get a huge side eye from me.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_stkpdRml89E/Si_huiJKiZI/AAAAAAAAAZc/SbAVUL1LMBg/s400/first-side-eye.jpg

  43. Kendra wrote:

    According to Rotten Tomatoes the movie is full of fail. That makes me so happy.

  44. Lorrie wrote:

    I love how he uses the statement, “As an Asian American” like that makes his complete ignorance perfectly alright and his attitude of he’s doing something so great and wonderful. No, M. Night you are not, you’re just a jerk who should just stop making movies and wasting everyone’s time.

  45. Darth Paul wrote:

    “But this kind of attack on individuals, though well-deserved, is only going to make those individuals get defensive. When people are defensive, they aren’t open to learning. We should be educating the public about what racism actually is and how it works in Hollywood. We should be attacking and questioning the system. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

    How do you propose we expose and correct a problem without offering examples? Not everyone is a theory learner. Most of us need to see the problem in action, which means some delicate covert racist and their apologists will get their feathers ruffled.

    The thing is, it’s never easy to point out bad behavior in others, but it has to be done. Directly and clearly, at that. Naivete and ignorance are explanations, not excuses. A poorly behaved child will not learn to behave if all you do is toss gentle parables and sanitized explanations at him/her. Consequences are necessary. So in the case of this unfortunate movie, a boycott IS the consequence.

  46. sejw wrote:

    @ Celeste:

    “Does MNS even think about all the little non-white kids that are gonna cry when they see this movie? Doesn’t seem so. I don’t think a theater full of white children would have burst into tears if the movie casting had been faithful to the animated series. I don’t think they’d be all like “Nooooooo! You *didn’t* make the main characters white, waaaaaah!””

    Yes yes yes yes yes! This! Exactly!

  47. Quijotesca wrote:

    @sara The movie just covers the first season, so no Toph. They were nice enough to cut out Teo, though. :/

  48. brownstocking wrote:

    so here’s an insult for the white fans and families: Hollywood doesn’t think much of you, apparently.

    Hollywood says you won’t be able to differentiate between different heritages.

    Hollywood says you won’t accept strong women.

    Hollywood says you can’t even tell karate from kung fu.

    How do you, white/Caucasian/European audience members feel about how little regard Hollywood has for your intelligence? Is it really worth defending and supporting?

    If it was me, I’d be all, like, “Tell em why you mad, kid!” on their behinds. But, I don’t know. I mean, I’m not white, so I can’t speak to it…right?

  49. MICHELE wrote:

    The first thing I have to say is that M.Knight was wrong for this movie from jump street because he just makes bad movies with paper thin characters and nonexistant plots. How could anyone that saw The Happening put him in charge of anything aside from putting a burger in a bag?
    I haven’t seen so much deflecting and such a large typhoon of BS since … ever. Does he lunch with Ian Sattler?
    Angry Asian man is the bomb. He laid out his case clearly and all Knight did was deflect. This issue was about the MAIN characters of the movie, not extras with milisecond screen time and he never addresses that. In fact he goes out of his way to hurt himself with the comment about his daughter looking like Katara.

  50. honeybrown1976 wrote:

    Hopefully, this will be his last film. He realizes that he f”cked up big time and he can’t crawl himself out of this whole.

  51. honeybrown1976 wrote:

    *hole. I’m sorry for that typo. That director is on my shizz list.

  52. Sarasa wrote:

    Wait, so because the original was an “anime” it means the characters were not suppose to be Asian but MNS felt the need to “correct” the pronunciation of Aang’s name?! In addition to the race & gender issues, at heart, he obviously had absolutely no respect for the original creators.

  53. Terrie wrote:

    @46. As a white person, I find it insulting. One of the things I LOVED about the cartoon was that it was so different.

  54. Cat_Fan wrote:

    This movie looks awful and is being destroyed by reviewers. On IMDB, people are arguing that Noah Ringer is asian (whether he is or not I don’t know). But really, couldn’t we get an actor who was Asian and not ambiguously so?

    UU: His daughter looks nothing like Katara (particularly the movie version) in fact she resembles her father so I don’t understand where he is coming from with that.

  55. Elton wrote:

    @Darth Paul

    How do you propose we expose and correct a problem without offering examples? Not everyone is a theory learner. Most of us need to see the problem in action, which means some delicate covert racist and their apologists will get their feathers ruffled.

    I don’t know how we should go about correcting the problem, but one thing I have learned is that mere negative reinforcement isn’t good teaching. A few years ago, I called Jeff Ma (the inspiration for the movie 21) a race traitor on Facebook for standing idly by while Hollywood whitewashed his story. And he personally responded to me. While I still feel pretty angry about how that movie turned out, and felt that Ma could have at least said something when it was obvious what was happening during casting, I don’t think he learned anything, and I defamed a fellow Asian American, which sure doesn’t hurt anyone but ourselves.

    One thing I would like to see more of is positive, non-stereotypical examples of Asian Americans in movies that make a lot of money and are really popular. The Harold and Kumar series is my favorite example. But there are so many indie films produced, written, and starring Asian Americans that never reach my corner of the country (Arkansas). I wish some of those would get picked up (like Napoleon Dynamite) and distributed. Are Asian American filmmakers submitting their stuff to big studios and big film festivals?

  56. Hapa wrote:

    @Lorrie

    Just because he wants to prostrate himself before the all mighty white dollar, doesn’t mean we should agree with it just because he’s a poc.

    M.Night you may or may not be a racist, but what you did with the film was completely racist.

  57. Myles wrote:

    @ sealinewuman:

    I’ve actually heard that a lot of kids are freaking out when they see the movie because their favorite characters no longer look like they they would. And the movie is so unlike the show.

    Kids know when they are being fed garbage for entertainment.

    And while it is really sad that kids are so upset by this movie, hopefully this will cause M.Night’s career to end faster.

  58. HW wrote:

    @46

    I agree wholeheartedly with Terrie @ 51. It offends me terribly that Hollywood assumes I won’t enjoy a storyline because it doesn’t show my ethnicity. If it’s a good story, that shouldn’t matter to me as a viewer. And if it doesn’t speak directly to my own personal experiences, then hey – I might learn something! And it seriously pisses me off when they water down women, and even more so when it’s a woman who does that.

  59. 7thangel wrote:

    what’s has been lost in the mix somewhat is that, sokka and katara are inuit and first nation inspired. which means, once again those communities, despite having available actors, child and adult, lost out again. but they’ve also been forgotten in the casting debate recently

  60. SnorlaxEatShyamalan wrote:

    I’ve watched the entire Nickelodeon series and loved every episode. While it is true that the racial origins of the characters were never definitively made clear, it was implied. I mean, if you go to a Buddhist Temple, odds are the vast majority of the monks are Asian. I guess for M to be sure Aang was Asian, the character needed to not be able to pronounce his “L’s” and transport Katara and Sokka around on his rickshaw. Part of the charm of the series was that you were never beaten over the head with “this is Asian”. It was subtle and I would think the creators purposely did so to ease the audience into learning about different cultures.

    M’s defense on his casting being colorblind is so laughable. From the casting call posters saying “Caucasian or any other ethnicity” to him referring to the warring nations and needing to “make a decision about what nationality each of them are”. Clearly race was on his mind when casting. If it was colorblind, he shouldn’t have needed to “decide” on any nationality. So I guess

    “… I’m casting this entire movie in this color blind way where everyone is represented”

    translates to

    “I need my token *insert race here* for my extras, because I said I need to represent them. I did not mention anything about EQUAL representation nor did I say ACCURATE representation, especially in regards to the main characters.”

    If he thought caucasian actors would lead to a bigger take in the box office, fine. It is a business after all. After his recent flops, I do not blame him for his casting decisions if the intent was solely monetary based. But perhaps disparity in talent was truly that great and Noah Ringer was the best choice. I haven’t read anything about prominent ethnic actors having been turned down for the main roles.

    What I am truly disappointed in is that this was a perfect opportunity for advancing Asians in American films. Avatar the Last Airbender was the perfect vehicle because it was a proven success animation-wise that would draw a large audience as a live action film. When was the last time such an opportunity came by? Ethnic actors are not entitled to the roles in the movie and M did not have an obligation to advance racial equality or cultural enlightenment to his audiences. We were just hoping he would.

  61. jmn wrote:

    I have never wanted a film to fail so badly as I have in regards to The Last Airbender, and the reason is completely because of the whitewashed casting. I always wonder if Minoj Night’s daughter (who he claims looks like Katara) will ever ask him “Daddy, why didn’t you cast someone who looks like me to be the heroine? Why did you cast someone who looks like me as the bad guy? Who can be my role model?”

    Oh wait, was that too personal?

    On another note, if out of morbid curiosity, you want to see this movie, but don’t want to give it your money, go buy a ticket for The Karate Kid and sneak into this film. That way you are giving money to the ONLY summer tent-pole film that stars non-white leads.

  62. Alan wrote:

    50. Sarasa wrote:

    “Wait, so because the original was an ‘anime’ it means the characters were not suppose to be Asian but MNS felt the need to ‘correct’ the pronunciation of Aang’s name?!”

    HAHAHAHA excellent exposure of race/logic/reasoning FAIL.

    Roger Ebert was great for “Better Luck Tomorrow” and his insight with regards to this racefail was great once again.

    Shyamalan (skirting a myriad of issues including prejudice in his casting that we’ve already pounded him for) claims that Noah Ringer was the ONLY kid in the world that could’ve played Aang. This is the same kid that Ebert compares to “Wallace Shawn as a child.”

    Wally Shawn = funny old man who voices the T-Rex in the “Toy Story” trilogy.
    Aang = martial arts kid-master that saves the world

    Beyond the hilarity of this miscasting (face it, M. Night, you just got lucky with Haley Joel Osment, you’re no amazing child-star finder), his assertion brings up another issue of race and casting.

    That is, a white actor/actress can always take a POC’s role (this happens to us Asians more than others, see: 21, Dragonball Evolution, Kung Fu, etc., etc. ad nauseum/ad infinitum), but a POC can be denied simply on the grounds of the race of the character.

    Shyamalan makes a fool out of himself (imagine that) by citing the supposed ethnic ambiguities of anime v. other forms of drawing/animation. Let’s go down that road for a second with perhaps the most famous of superhero/fantasy characters – superman.

    Superman may be widely accepted as a big, tall, White farmboy from Kansas, but let’s take a step back here and examine the facts – dude is an Alien! Now, no offense to Christopher Reeve or even Brandon Routh, but if you’re going to cast a character based on physical attributes, why shouldn’t there be an Asian superman?

    Aside from my own undeveloped acting talents (let’s just assume that I’m better than half of Hollywood, which is probably a safe assumption given the level of “talent” these days), what do these two iterations of silver screen superman have over my Chinese-American self? Let’s run down the list:

    -Tall Enough? (Superman is 6′3)
    CR: Yes | BR: Yes | Me: Yes

    -Jacked Enough? (Superman is 225 lbs and has a wide chest and arm muscles that show through spandex)
    CR: Maybe? (Superman has gotten bigger as American men have over time, I still think Reeve was too meek looking for the role, but then again I was born in ‘88. To his credit, he put on 20 lbs or muscle for the role) | BR: HELLLLL to the NO | Me: Yes (I often here that I’m a physical anomaly among Chinese men, but come on! There’s like 700 million of us! Some of us have got to be big)

    -Black Hair?
    CR: No | BR: No | Me: Yes

    -Blue Eyes?
    CR: Yes | BR: No | Me: Yes

    -Square Jaw?
    CR: Yes | BR: Yes | Me: Yes

    So physically, what’s stopping me from being cast as Superman? If Brandon Routh can put on blue contacts, so can I.

    Now before people get up in arms about my example by citing 90’s Superman actor Dean Cain (1/4 Japanese), or Keanu Reeves in his Matrix role of Neo as a possible APA superheroes, I’d like to point out that race DID play roles in their casting – and by that, I mean their Whiteness.

    Cain is only 1/4 Asian and while I certainly do not blame him for shedding his biological father’s last name (apparently, the guy was a deadbeat), I can’t imagine him winning the role as easily with the stage name of “Dean Tanaka.”

    Keanu, likewise, is more ethnically ambiguous (he is mostly English, with some Chinese and Native Hawaiian coming from his also coincidentally deadbeat father). However, his ethnically Hawaiian name speaks more to the point I brought up about Dean Cain (Tanaka) – in his early career, Reeves was often billed as “K.C. Reeves” to obscure his ethnic roots.

  63. Madeline Ashby wrote:

    In regards to whether anime is deliberately ambiguous, there’s a whole conversation about that in anime criticism — Iwabuchi says that the “statelessness” is deliberate, but other scholars disagree. People often forget that what anime characters look like onscreen is the result of collaboration and design, not simple casting. Yes, the director makes the final decision, but character designers are the ones who hand the drawings in, and they work in teams and often have to reproduce the look of a character already created by a manga-ka.

    And if anybody feels like extending their commentary on the racebending issue (or any other issue pertinent to the series and film), I’m guest-editing a special issue of Transformative Works & Cultures specifically devoted to A:TLA. (The guidelines are linked above.) There’s a lot of really great conversations going on here, and I’d love to see some pieces from people who want to get into the nitty-gritty of these (and other) issues.

  64. Cassie wrote:

    @K:

    After reading comments denying that the Avatar characters are Asian/Inuit and using the “Anime characters don’t look Japanese at all, they look white!” excuse, I wanted to learn how that assumption is made, and I came across this:

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mukokuseki

    http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html

    I also learned that anime was influenced by Disney animation, which, as a fellow anime fan, I should know, but I always just assumed most anime characters were Japanese unless indicated otherwise through the racial cues you speak of.

  65. Hazelaar wrote:

    “But this is not about a bunch of fanboys being upset about how you’ve messed with their favorite cartoon.” -Angry Asian Ma

    Actually, that’s /exactly/ what it’s about for me. I want to see racially diverse characters, not because I’m not white myself (I am white) or for some ‘racial equality/color blindness’ b.s., but because THAT’S WHAT THE FREAKIN’ CHARACTERS LOOK LIKE!
    When you do a live-action adaptation of a cartoon or anime, the fans who might watch that movie, the main audience you want to attract, want /the actors/ to look as similar to /the characters/ as is realistically possible. Aang is fine, imo, because he is, admittedly, one of the whitest looking characters in the cartoon. So having him cast by a white actor? That’s perfectly reasonable. But the Water Tribe characters, the darkest characters in the anime, played by some of the whitest white people in existence? Freaking annoying! No! Bad director! I don’t want “color blindness”, I want accuracy!
    My friends and I are big fans of the show, we were really impressed by it. We welcomed the idea of a movie when it was first released, but we cringed when we heard who was directing it, we feared for the movie, and now we can’t watch even the trailers without flinching. I wanted to watch an Avatar movie, but I don’t think I can swallow the blatant inaccuracies like I need to in order to enjoy it.
    A little word advice, Mr. Shyamalan, if you should ever curse another adaptation of a popular series with your attention?: If you want fans to want to see the film /because/ of your directing choices, not /in spite/ of them, then you need to realize that fans are fickle creatures and take deviations very seriously. Learn how to actually /reproduce/ and not take liberties with the material or we, the fans, will happily shun your…”additions” to the franchise.

  66. Pheagan wrote:

    It’s interesting to me that if I think about all the racefail movies lately– Prince of Persia, 21, and this– I don’t think the fact that these are also bad movies are unrelated to the racefail. Racefail happens because of this incredibly screwed up thinking that audiences will abandon a movie with people of color in lead roles. But if you look at movies that avert racefail, like Better Luck Tomorrow, or Up, they’re also good movies. I personally think that in the case of the former, there’s a sort of forced racist, risk averse business model thing going on that detracts from the loving, artistic, risk-taking environment that produces good movies. The racism isn’t just incidental, it poisons the water and is key in making these movies artistic failures.

    That being said, and on a completely different tip– now I know the eye color is supposed to represent the elements the characters are allied to. But I’ve been wondering if this, too, is a bit of a racefail. Yes, I know nobody has yellow eyes, but blue and green eyes are associated with white people, and seeing as everyone of Avatar was meant to be Asian, shouldn’t the creators have gone whole hog and made all the characters look completely, unequivocally Asian, and found another way to represent the bending? It would actually have made a whole lot more sense story-wise. How can Zuko and Iroh hide in the Earth kingdom with yellow eyes? For that matter how did Katara, Sokka, Toph and Aang hide in the Fire Nation without being spotted? And there’s the whole question of what happens if people of two different elements mate. That aside, it kind of stinks of blue-eyed Storm and blue-eyed Jubilee. Oh, their mutation gives them Caucasian characteristics? How convenient. The eye color thing is a pretty major arrow in the apologists’ arsenal, and it could have been avoided. That’s my opinion, but I’d be interested to know what others think.

  67. Notebook wrote:

    @Cassie:

    Those are some eye-opening links. Thanks. The stuff about the unintended ethnocentrism never really struck at me before.

    And y’know, it actually reflects back to when I was a child when I used to draw–I never really drew any racial marks to distinguish between people who were different races than me. I found that surprisingly interesting. I wonder what would happen if I took up drawing again…

    [And I managed to avoid a Tropes trap... ha!]

  68. K wrote:

    @Cassie:

    Hey, thanks for sharing those links! The second one especially is much more articulate than I am on the issue.

  69. Just A Thought wrote:

    @ K:

    Racialicious did a post (or cross post) about anime NOT being racially ambiguous. Basically, all the characters are Japanese, unless visually indicated otherwise. This indication is through style of dress, skin tone, and increased stereotypical “asian-ness” like more slanted eyes. Thus, Korean character in Japanese anime would adhere closer to the stereotypical representation that Americans read as Asian.

    I think the problem with americans/westerners feeling that anime is racially ambiguous lies in the fact that small facial features + pale skin + light eyes = white, without understanding how that combo is culutrally read in Japan. Not to mention that some Japanese people can and do look like anime characters.

  70. Terrie wrote:

    @Alan. Actually, Dean Cain would likely agree with you. In DVD commentary for the pilot, he basically admits that one of the factors in him getting the role is that having a Japanese grandparent makes him an exotic-looking white guy.

  71. NicoleKekahili wrote:

    What first piqued my interest in this film was Cliff Curtis. As a Polynesian actor, he’s been able to play different ethnicities (mainly Middle Eastern) in films and television. It’s so very rare to see Polynesians/actors who look Poly here in the U.S. on the big screen so I was debating whether to support this film. I’m not sure if he’s playing an Asian in this movie, but because most of the POC are relegated to villain status I won’t be buying a ticket.
    Also, I don’t think MNS really gets it. Is there an Indian/Asian equivalent to an “Uncle Tom”? He said himself that he could cast whomever he wanted, yet he chose to not take the opportunity to be more truthful to the series. If given the chance, I honestly don’t think other directors of color (even though not Asian themselves), like Spike Lee, the Hughes brothers, F. Gary Gray or Asians like Mira Nair or Ang Lee would’ve squandered the chance to represent the obviously Asian and Indigenous story.

  72. alia wrote:

    i actually did go and see this movie without paying for it, not sure if i broke the boycott – but i’m willing to take 50% of the blame! the white-washing of the main characters absolutely bugged me. i mean, even in the southern water tribe (which he claims to be “caucasian/european”) has asian and inuit characters – all in the background ! the only people who are of european descent are the main characters, katara and saka and their grandma, and then the princess uwe and her family of the northern tribe. everyone else in both of the water tribes around them is asian – flat out. so, despite everything he is saying – and he is right to a point, this is a very ethnically diverse movie – yet the main characters are still white. and honestly, why even think at all about whether or not people of european descent are represented in this movie? i mean, this series is clearly not about them! and even if race wasn’t an issue…the casting of katara and saka was just horrible. they really did not do a good job at all – i found them to be the least like their series counterparts.

    well…at the end of the day, the cartoon series will always be the best thing ever – and the music is way better in the series also. just sayin.

  73. Diallo_Jamal wrote:

    “At the basis of this, a fascinating thing, it didn’t even occur to me until the first mention of this came up: The art form of Anime in and of itself is what’s causing the confusion. The Anime artists intentionally put ambiguous features on the characters so that you see who you want to see in it.”

    If the features of the characters themselves (in the anime) was intentionally ambiguous (not stating this as a given), what does it say about MNS that he chose monochrome leads initially (Patel was a fallback correct?)? Not diverse, not multicultural, not phenotypically ambiguous, but clearly identifiable as being white. So he took something which was open to interpretation, where everyone could see a little something of themselves in the characters (from his perspective) and made it looks like an espisode of The Hills? Awesome…

  74. nymphancy wrote:

    @Elton: “You have to be nice to people when they are racist, or else they’ll get defensive and then they won’t learn anything!” is textbook tone argument. It’s super derailing. If MNS didn’t listen to all the complaints about racebending when they first came out–and at first, it was very polite, certainly anxious, but not the heaping levels of vitriol people are feeling now–he certainly isn’t going to listen if we’re really nice and polite and subdued about it.

    Shyamalan: Hey, guess what? Anime characters aren’t as ambiguous as you think. Their faces are void of the stereotyped racial signifiers we associate with Asian people, but that doesn’t mean they are white. The key is context.

    In addition, the absence of racial signifiers on the main characters’ faces is because they are drawn simply so that a) they are easy to animate, b) a wider variety of viewers can fit themselves into that role (MNS’s anecdata about his daughter and his Hispanic friend’s daughter seeing themselves in Katara), and c) the absence of excessive lines on their faces indicates their youth! This is a fundamental cartooning idea, the less lines there are on a face, the younger the character looks. These characters are 12 to 15 years old. They have to look it.

    Fact is, Katara does look like Shyamalan’s daughter. She probably does look like his Hispanic friend’s daughter. But she does not look like ME. She’s not supposed to!! Compare Katara to literally ANY OTHER cartoon on Nick except maybe Dora the Explorer and tell me she looks like them. She doesn’t!

    How could something this simple escape a grown man? This ain’t rocket science.

  75. Bagelsan wrote:

    I love how he uses the statement, “As an Asian American” like that makes his complete ignorance perfectly alright and his attitude of he’s doing something so great and wonderful.

    Yeah. That’s pretty skillful, M. Night, being your own “black friend.”

    I watched the original show, absolutely loved it, and I’m so glad this film flopped. It’s like, come on, we know whatever movie M. Night makes is going to be an absolute piece of shit — why in the world bother giving him decent starting material? It’s a waste.

    And then he did pretty much the only thing that could have made the movie worse (aside from casting bad actors — except Patel — and focusing more on effects than story) by literally stripping out all the color of the original. I would have forgiven a cheesy or charmingly inept but genuine and joyful attempt at making this into a movie (the show certainly doesn’t take itself super seriously) but basically getting rid of every likable character and then casting clueless white kids instead? It’s like a bad fanfic, full of whitewashed and poorly-written Mary Sues.

  76. Kaonashi wrote:

    LOL, is it WRONG that I’m enjoying the fact that this movie is failing in such a spectacular manner?

  77. sealinewuman wrote:

    Ugh, hope this one goes through

    The link to the kid that I spoke about in my last post

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54i1GvKCdYk&feature=related

  78. sealinewuman wrote:

    This comment was supposed come before the first one, but for some reason I couldn’t post it, so here goes again, fingers crossed.

    @SnorlaxEatShyamalan
    “But perhaps disparity in talent was truly that great and Noah Ringer was the best choice”

    There are a crapload of audition submission tapes on Youtube of very good, young unkown Asian actors that tried out for the part, one in particular stood out, a 12 yo Asian boy, I’m not sure of his name, if I can find the link, I’ll post it.

    In terms of martial arts ability this kid was sick, I’m a first degree Hapkido black belt and my sparring partner is a first degree Tae Kwon Do black belt and second degree Hapkido and lemme tell you this kid blew us away, half the stuff he did, we can’t and I’m 34 and my sparring partner is 17. This kid, he was ridiculous, had complete mastery of the Bo (which is Aang’s main weapon), Escrima sticks and what looked like a 36in whip chain, anyone that knows anything about martial arts weaponry knows that the whip chain is probably one of the hardest to master because of the fluidity, and this kid had complete control while moving like lightening. In the acting department, he wasn’t great, but like they sent Noah Ringer to acting boot camp, they could have done the same for this child as well.

    So I truly don’t believe that there were Asian actors that weren’t as good wrt martial arts abilities or acting abilities. And even if that were the case, what about Brandon Soo Hoo the kid from Tropic Thunder? He’s a great actor, black belt in Tae Kwon Do, trains in Wing Chun Kung Fu and is weapons trained in Bo, Nunchuku and Swords.

  79. lechatnoir wrote:

    Kaonahsi

    The studios invested 150 millions on the first instalment alone and a huge 130 millions for the promo. Nearly 300 millions for a movie that brings in 16 millions during the most important week end.
    Even if it brings in another 60 millions ( which I doubt it will ) it will still be a monumental flop.

    I almost feel sorry for him at this point.

  80. orangejasmine wrote:

    I’ve followed a few anime cartoon series and have also enjoy the drawing style in the comic book/graphic novel format. So, I have to agree with the one or two people who said that anime/manga is NOT racially ambiguous. Not at all. As someone else pointed out, what gives the viewer/reader racial and even cultural cues are built into the visuals in a way that is more subtle than that most of the time. It doesn’t so heavily rely on facial features to assign race. Backdrop and context are vital in signalling to the viewer/reader that the setting is usually somewhere in Asian. [I don't want to specifically say Japan (always), because that might very well not have been the case without me being able to pick that up.]

    Also, what I always found interesting about anime/manga is that white people are usually drawn as having hair colour that do not naturally occur amongst humans. And one is given the distinct impression that the character has NOT necessarily dyed their hair; that is this in fact a marker of both personality and, hence, helps build character, but also a marker which indicates that they are “other” to the majority of the people in their immediate surroundings. Hair colour such as green, blue, purple, pink and unnatural shades of red are commonly used and – as I said – one doesn’t get the feeling that it’s supposed to depict a character that dyed their hair!

    One of the things that Night Shyamalan said that stood out for me was in fact its opposite statement. This made me… frown. His racism is made blatantly obvious if one looks at it this way – he claims that anime/manga is racially so ambiguous in its depiction to the extent that any person of any race or ethnicity could see something familiar in those faces.

    But then, surely, the opposite statement is that Night Shyamalan could only identify race if he were presented with a racial caricature which – for him – would then be completely UNambiguous! He’d only then be able to say, “Oh! That’s person is most definitely…” . So, unless real people or depictions of people have a certain set of particular facial features and physical traits, he’d probably not be able to even guess their race. Hmmmm…

  81. uiy wrote:

    when I first heard of the racebending, I assumed the movie company pressganged poor M night into playing along. After reading the interview, I realized he’s in league with racist hollywood all along.

    YES M. NIGHT! You ARE (one of the) the face(s) of racism!

    I’ve lost all respect for M Night. Now that the movie is destined to be another flop, I wonder if his racist overlords will show the same loyalty he’s shown them.

    I will never pay to watch another one of his movies again.

  82. uiy wrote:

    Besides, if the characters are so “racially ambiguous”, what is it about their “ambiguity” that made you cast white instead of asian actors?

    Or is it that only white actors have ethnic fluidity and asian actors can only be slanty-eyed buck-toothed caricatures?

  83. angrybritishchinese wrote:

    I think this movie deserves to flop. People are only going to watch things that they think are worth watching, horror if its horror, comedy if its comedy, but as far as this thing is, its a farce. Goodbye Shymalayan career…

  84. Mary wrote:

    @ Pheagan:

    It’s interesting to me that if I think about all the racefail movies lately– Prince of Persia, 21, and this– I don’t think the fact that these are also bad movies are unrelated to the racefail. Racefail happens because of this incredibly screwed up thinking that audiences will abandon a movie with people of color in lead roles. But if you look at movies that avert racefail, like Better Luck Tomorrow, or Up, they’re also good movies. I personally think that in the case of the former, there’s a sort of forced racist, risk averse business model thing going on that detracts from the loving, artistic, risk-taking environment that produces good movies. The racism isn’t just incidental, it poisons the water and is key in making these movies artistic failures.

    I think you are ABSOLUTELY right.

    This reminds me, a bit tangentially, of an interview I read with John Cho a while ago. He said that the two guys who wrote Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle specifically and deliberately put a lot of race-related stuff into the script because they KNEW the studio would try to cast two white guys instead of Cho and Kal Penn. By having all the references to Harold’s racist coworkers, the racist cops, the Asian American student party, etc. they made it unavoidable that the main characters were Korean-American and Indian-American. Of course, the racially subversive humor turned out to be a major part of why people liked the movie so much – white people included. Not that white people’s opinions are the be-all and end-all of course.

  85. AvatarGirl wrote:

    Color blind casting my ass!
    Did anyone hear about Brandon Soo Hoo? He’s a black belt master of Tae Kwon Do, Proficient in Wing Chung Kung Fu AND Karate, Proficient in the Bo, Nunchuck, and Sword. Plus he had prior acting experience. He also looks like Aang. Why didn’t he get the role of Aang when it went to Noah who is less experienced in martial arts and acting than he is? Hollywood?Seriously!

    Also experienced actors like Mixed Race Eurasian actor BooBoo Stewart who is 2002 and 2003 Martial Arts World Champion tried out for this role and never got the part. Hollywood SUCKS!!!

    THIS MOVIE’S CASTING WAS RACIST!

    What a dissapointment

  86. AvatarGirl wrote:

    Experienced actors and martial artists like Brandon Soo Hoo and Boo Boo Stewart couldn’t get to play Aang because they are Asian or part-Asian (Boo Boo). The role went to Noah Ringer who wasn’t experienced in acting at all (none) and a lesser martial artist.

    Experienced actor Harry Shum Jr. looked identical to “Zuko” and tried out for the role but the role went to Jesse M.?

    Experienced actor Ayesha Kapoor who looked more like “Katara” was second to Nicola for “Katara” who couldn’t even act and was terrible in martial arts. There are rumors her father paid them for her to get the part.

    And Dev Patel would be more fit for Sokka than Zuko.

    I mean there are tons of experienced Native American and East Asian actors/actresses (some whom are very gifted in martial arts)and three terrible actors whom look nothing like the originals are choosen. Hmmm
    Put two and two together people.

  87. maus wrote:

    @32 “Paid to make a fable steeped in Asian culture more marketable to (they believe) white audiences that only want to see white people. What’s funny– these same people don’t realize that white washing in this day & age NEVER works!”

    I’m fairly certain that this is not *his* idea specifically but the Executive Producers’ trying to put forward “relatability” as necessary for a Kids’ movie.

  88. m. wrote:

    @AvatarGirl:
    Well, no sympathy for BooBoo Stewart coming from me – he’s doing some brownface of his own, playing a Quileute character in Twilight when he’s non-Native with a white dad and an Asian mom. Lovely. I’m sure they “dug up” some nonexistant/de-tribalized ancestry, or his dad’s been telling him he’s “Native American” since birth. Ugh. I guess things worked out nicely for him!

  89. orangejasmine wrote:

    @uiy (your second post, #82):
    EXACTLY. This is EXACTLY what bothers me so much about his claims on racial ambiguity. This is what I meant before about what that statement implies in conjunction with his actions.

    Fine, I can of course accept that people have differing opinions regarding the racial and cultural indicators used in a style of animation. I was discussing this with my sister just the other day; we’ve pretty much been exposed to and/or followed the same anime cartoons (Avatar included)/graphic novels/comic books and we don’t always agree on WHERE and HOW race is indicated in this drawing style. But we do agree on one point – that there do exist SOME indicators.

    But what this guy is saying??? Come on, yeah! And the implication it holds? That’s just downright racist and stereotypical! So yes, indeed – according to him, that racist caricature you mentioned is very significant.

    I mean, it’s just so offensive on so many levels. I wonder now – how would this Night Shyamalan react to some of the people (myself included) that post here on Racialicious? People that recount and share their experiences as being of multiracial/multi-ethnic or even multinational backgrounds? It also comes down to insulting my experiences (and my continued existence) as a person of a multiracial and multi-ethnic background, you know? Other people’s ignorance and insensitivity is justified because I’m oh-so ambiguous in my appearance. I don’t have hair like “that”, or teeth like “this”, or eyes like “those”, or a nose like “that”, or cheekbones like “these”.

    This type of thinking and these types of actions just encourage society to receive us in this way. It’s very upsetting if I think about it…

  90. Bagelsan wrote:

    Hair colour such as green, blue, purple, pink and unnatural shades of red are commonly used and – as I said – one doesn’t get the feeling that it’s supposed to depict a character that dyed their hair!

    Definitely a lot of the coloring is about showing personality (like half the shounen main male characters seem to be naturally-blond-or-redheaded-but-totally-Japanese/Asian punks, with the blond/red signifying their tough and rebellious attitudes), and making the main character(s) stand out visually… and I don’t want to say that there’s some laziness but if your animation quality is only so-so then having a billion different hair colors can quickly and easily clarify characters’ identities too.

    I was dead impressed with Claymore for that reason, actually. The vast majority of the characters are blond, silver-eyed young women (from, as far as I could tell, a variety of racial/cultural backgrounds with maybe a European slant re. names and weaponry) but they are carefully animated and written to still be distinguishable from each other. That’s tough to do! Easier to have the redhead be the feisty one, the blue-haired character be the polite one, the pink-haired character be the childish one…

    I think that’s kinda what the eye colors in Avatar the Last Airbender were going for — it wasn’t supposed to be a real-world racial identifier so much as a shorthand for the different national characters, but all the assholes jumped on the “but, but BUT blue eyes means white people!” bandwagon nonetheless.

  91. HalleBerry wrote:

    ‘Implied’ my tookus!!! Please his grandfather speaks Mandarin and does Calligraphy fpr cripes sakes! Bottom line M.Night is a grown ass man and has been in Hollowood for how long now?! Trust me he KNOWS how the ‘game’ is played and obviously doesn’t give a crap despite being oh so ‘frustrated’ cause he’s a POC too awww poor baby. Come on now it’s like the other poster said he’s trying to get p-a-i-d and will step on any person of color’s neck to do so. Don’t expect me to shed tears because he won’t.

  92. Mike wrote:

    First off the movie was terrible and race does not even come to play. As for M. Night’s decision to make each tribe a different race does not hold water. The water tribe with the exception of Katara, Sokka, and their grandmother in the film did not appear white at all but all the firebenders did look indian. I do not know who he trying to fool but M. Night shows his contempt of the series fan base by lying.

    I can understand why many whites in this country feel apathetic to the whole race issue in the casting of the film but imagine if you will if Peter Jackson cast for the main roles of the “Lord of the Ring” trilogy unknown Black actors. Like Avatar, the world in LOTR is pure fanatasy and race is not clearly defined so why not?