Newsweek Takes On Feminism On Behalf of Young White Girls Everywhere

by Latoya Peterson and Thea Lim

I (Latoya) originally wanted to title this post: All The Women Are Still White, All The Blacks Are Still Men, But Some Of Us Are Tired of Being Brave and Want to Kick Someone’s Ass. But that was too long, and bad for SEO purposes. So here is the situation.

Last week, Newsweek published an in-depth piece of journalism, chronicling the uncomfortable relationship between women employees at the magazine in 1970, when a gender discrimination suit was filed (with Eleanor Holmes Norton representing the 46 women who filed) and three women employees 40 years later who discovered that they still weren’t quite equal. (The piece is titled “Are We There Yet?”) While the piece was lauded by journalists (for being self-critical) and by feminists (for taking a look at the uncomfortable picture), drama popped off when the Jezebel team pointed out the image of feminism in the Newsweek headline and photo felt a little too familiar.

Jezebel

The text below the image reads:

Things stay the same: This just-posted Newsweek story on “Why Young Women Need Feminism” is accompanied by photo of six women…all of them white. [Newsweek]

Predictably, drama ensued.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am still a contributor to Jezebel. However, I was off on other projects when this started breaking, and when the back and forth between the Newsweek reporters and the Jezebel editors began. And I would have been content to stay the hell out of it (I have enough stuff to write – that’s why this article is so late) but the writers decided to take it to the blogosphere. In their first post, they flamed Jezebel and said:

What bothers us most about their post, though, is that it’s important for feminists to stick together—especially when there’s not much discussion of the F word in the mainstream media at all. Tearing each other down for writing about feminism in a way that could attract young women—black, white, whatever—seems counterproductive. Especially in a personal essay written by, yes, a white woman, about her own, yes, personal experience.

By the way, Kelly Zen-Yie Tsai has got your “black, white, whatever:”

Then came more Jeze-bashing.

But what piqued the antennae of Thea and I were the two posts that followed. On the Subject of Race and Feminism reveals this interesting tidbit:

We should also note—and this was one of many things that didn’t make it into the final piece—that the women of color at Newsweek didn’t sign onto the suit in 1970, for various reasons. That’s a whole other story that would be interesting to explore. It’s particularly interesting because after months of searching, with nobody willing to represent them, the white women who sued found themselves a fiery, pregnant black ACLU lawyer—now DC Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton—who told them to “take off their white gloves,” and went on to become the head of the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission. To clear up any of the confusion, she’s the one pictured above, along with the all-white Newsweek organizers.

At the end of the post, the writers say:

Our colleague Raina Kelley, who frequently writes about race and feminism [add: and who has been an incredible supporter and ally of this piece from the very beginning], puts it like this: “I wish there was a fascinating history of black women at Newsweek, but there isn’t. And that’s because in 1970, black women were seen as mammies, not dollies, consigned to the kind of work where collars are washed, not given cute hued names … Our time would come just a bit later.”

Whatever your take—and we want to hear it here—the most important thing is that we’re talking about all these issues. Regarding Jezebel, we’re going to hand this particular fight off to Raina. Take it, lady!

The sign off immediately got under my skin, and after reading Raina Kelly’s statement

You know what, it is useless to argue about history. This a struggle for equality, not a sorority. There are no prizes for “Most Feminist.”

How hard would it have been to deduce that the authors of this story were telling their own story and through that lens, the story of Newsweek and women? They are white women with similar backgrounds so to add race to the story would have been gratuitous and patronizing.

…I was about ready to fight.

I emailed Raina Kelley to get the direct scoop, and she was gracious enough to respond with a quick phone interview. She explained quite a few things from her perspective behind the scenes, noting: “Being friends with them…I think they genuinely did not believe they did anything wrong. And I don’t see [what they did wrong.]” I asked Raina about the race issue (and how the fact that the few black women working at Newsweek choose not the sign on to the suit looks to me as necessary for inclusion,) she responded: “I’m not 100% sure it would have been necessary – what they were trying to do was compare apples and apples. In this particular instance, I’m an orange.”

What Kelley means is that she felt the particular struggles of black women at Newsweek and white women at Newsweek were fundamentally different. She continues: “As a black woman, I don’t fit into the narrative that they shaped. It’s a different arc. I think people jumped before they really read the story.”

We went back and forth on this for a little while, with me bringing up the framing of the piece and photo (as a definitive statement on feminism) and Kelley bringing up the personal nature of the piece. When I asked about her being deployed as the friend of color, she was adamant about people understanding that in this particular situation, she’s backing the writers.

“I wouldn’t have allowed myself to be used [as a prop],” Kelley said. “I really believe in their story and the way that they told it.”

Kelley nails the crux of the story by explaining:

“We’re talking about a generation of middle class white girls that were promised the moon – and they didn’t get it. We did not full prepare them to deal with a world where they were second class citizens…no one older, or of a different color could have told this story.”

And that is true. But was that the only way the story could have been told? After chatting a bit with Thea, we still disagree, alternately cracking jokes and feeling those old feminist wounds open all over again.

    Latoya: What did you think of the source article?

    Thea: As I was reading it, I started feeling more and more annoyed.

    Latoya: Me too. Imagine that…

    Thea: And I wondered, am I annoyed because I have preconceived notions about this? And then I realised – no, I would’ve found this article annoying no matter what.

    Latoya: I think it’s because we’re a bit beyond the type of feminism 101 piece that this presents as “Who knew there was still sexism?” Seriously, what the fuck.

    Thea: Right, ha.  But it was more than that. After all, as the Newsweek 3 (and you yourself) said, it’s Newsweek, it’s not a radical feminist journal.  We don’t necessarily expect more than a 101 from them. So it took me a moment to figure out what my problem was.  But this is it: the writers do a good job of talking about how better their jobs are than they were for women at Newsweek back in the day, and the structural fight that happened to change that.  But they don’t recognise in their writing at all that part of their own success as contemporary women MUST have to do with their own race and class levels, their access to education etc.

    So they are talking about sexism, trying to make a case for why we should care about sexism, talking about male privilege,  how it prevents them from feeling more at home and whole in their workplace…but they don’t talk about how their own privileges have led them to even have a position in that workplace in the first place.  I found it frustrating and dishonest.  Because they want to talk about inequality at Newsweek, but only the inequalities that they suffer. There is no consciousness of the fact that they are benefiting from inequality that others suffer.

    Part of the central response from defenders of the Newsweek 3 is, why should they have to talk about race or class? They’re trying to talk about gender.  But the way I read it is that the Newsweek 3 are talking about gender only in so much as it is a structural barrier to success.  And how can you talk about one structural barrier without at least mentioning how the other ones work, or moreover, how barriers for others are advantages for you? It’s an incomplete analysis.  You can’t have one without the other.  You can’t talk truthfully and fully about structural barriers you face, if you don’t at least acknowledge the structural advantages that you have.

    The argument the article posed felt a bit half-baked to me.  It was very much about giving credit to the 46 women in 1970 who worked to make Newsweek better (and rightly so).  But I needed these writers to say, you know what, because of the work of the women before us AND also because our culture rewards other things along with male privilege AND also because we worked hard, we work for this prestigious magazine that STILL could be better at dismantling inequalities.  To me that is the full argument.

    Latoya: I agree. I spoke to Raina Kelley, who wrote the defense of the piece on their blog and while we disagree on most of what came up, I think she nailed it when she said that this was a deeply personal story. It’s about these three girls who were promised the moon and it didn’t arrive.

    Thea: YES.  Which is fine, nothing wrong with writing a personal story.  But be honest about who you are.

    Latoya: She said she couldn’t have told that story, which is true – but I also think it is because no one but a child of privilege would have the luxury of thinking these issues are over. As long as I can remember, this little black girl got the message loud and clear: shit is going to be racist, and there isn’t anything you can do about it, so suck it up and do your best, knowing the game is rigged.

    Thea: I definitely got the “the world will be yours message!” from my white mama. Imagine how confused I was when it didn’t work out. But I digress.

    Latoya: Ha – insert tragic Eurasian mulatto joke. You need an Imitation of Life film…

    Thea: Tiny violins playing…

    Latoya: I mean, I can understand some of Kelley’s argument. But the reaction of the Newsweek 3 – that to me what was most compelling. Before, I would have just skimmed/skipped over the article. But the idea that racial allegations are coming way out of left field…

    Thea:
    RIGHT.   This is my issue with the article – and with much of non anti racist third wave feminism – it cannot admit that when it says “women” it means “white women.”  It is fine that you want to tell your own story, but please admit it is the story of a white woman.  That should not be such a shocking revelation, you know? Enough already. And the Newsweek 3 responded when Jezebel criticised their lack of race analysis: “we couldn’t talk about race because our readers don’t understand the intricacies of feminism.”  They said “Jezebel’s criticism came out of left field.”

    Latoya: The exact quote is:

    How is it that we’ve got the old guard championing the piece, and the young new wave—of which we’re a part—tries to discredit it with left-field accusations of racism?

    Ahem.

    We really need to make an LOLCatz submission:

    Thea: Seriously: my jaw was on the floor.  What??? The fact that women have a race as well as a gender is an intricate notion of feminism, or out of left field? When I read that – the “left field” comment,  I actually felt real pain.  Which pisses me off! You’d think after being disappointed enough times by this kind of feminism, I’d developed any immunity to this kind of utter nonsense.

    Latoya: You can’t be mixing the race and the feminism Thea. We learned that in feminism 101. That’s “race stuff” not feminism.

    Thea: Hahaha. But, seriously, it really hurt me to hear that kind of “race is extra” argument, as you called.  The “race is extra” argument is still considered tenable in some circles of feminism.  Like OMFG.

    Latoya: Yeah, reminds me of that slide from the gaming presentation for SXSW:

    black is an extra feature

    You know, I used to get mad when people would tell me “Feminism is for white girls” – but now, I completely understand. Even worse, the argument was extended to their blog – notice there wasn’t the time or ability to include women of color in the piece either as part of the retrospective or as a commentator, but I also found it strange they were able to magic someone out of the woodwork when it was pointed out that their piece was not inclusive.

    Thea: Raina Kelley you mean?  Pulling out Raina Kelley was definitely a strange response.  Or just a terrible bad PR move, if nothing else.

    Latoya: I have to admit, I was put off by Kelley’s online defense, which is more or less: You know what, it is useless to argue about history. This a struggle for equality, not a sorority. There are no prizes for “Most Feminist.”

    Ah, no. This is the prize for “ensuring we aren’t alienating women of color YET AGAIN!”

    Thea: Why wasn’t Kelley a part of the original piece? Isn’t she a woman?

    Latoya: Kelley said that her support for the piece was mostly psychological but again, there is this distancing of race and feminism yet again, that appears to be considered sacrosanct.

    Thea: Sacrosanct? Try delusional. We all have races and genders and class levels and levels of ability.  All of our identities contribute to our positions in society…Again, this is not a radical notion.

    Latoya: They look at a lot of maybe’s in their response about race and feminism, because it’s totally important – just not important enough to put in the piece.

    Thea: Right.

    Latoya: And even in their half-assed mea culpa they point out issues that no one will rectify “We didn’t think about the racial makeup of our remaining sources—and maybe we should have.”
    Perhaps, but clearly, it was not that important. They also bring up a major detail: black women declined to participate in the original suit. There are all these gaps, but these are not seen as gaps. They conclude it’s something to explore another time – but when? Why wasn’t it a part of the story package? If you don’t want to mention it in white girl land, fine, but shit, could we get a sidebar?

    Thea: HA! Can we put “But shit, could we get a sidebar?” on a t-shirt? RIGHT. But again, for me it’s not about the race of their sources, It’s about the racelessness of their analysis. You know, they didn’t even have to include women of colour in the piece. They just needed to recognise what their own race was in the piece.

    Latoya: The race of the sources is important to me and here’s why: People of color are always divorced from discussions unless we are talking about race. We are not seen as experts in history, but experts in (insert ethnic history). We are not experts on sexism we are experts on race and occasionally racialized sexism. But our voices are always considered some strange, non mainstream other. That marginalization extends to who is seen as an expert source. It is not an accident that I generally link to other women/POC experts whenever I write anything, especially if it’s a mainstream publication.

    Thea: That’s a really good point.

    Latoya: And, if they could reach out to someone who was not involved, like Rachel Simmons (who wrote a book they quote) and cite studies like the Catalyst one I covered for Jez a couple months back, why couldn’t they reach out to women who are experts in other fields? Where is Gwen Ifill’s perspective as a woman of color who has been excluded from newsrooms as well?

    Thea: I think it comes back to that psychic split.  The inability to admit that they are not talking about women but white women. The reason why I didn’t care for them to diversify the races of their sources was because my thought on seeing that line in the Newsweek 3’s response to the race criticism — “we didn’t think about the racial makeup of our sources”  — was that from here on in they will talk to a token person of colour, who may or may not have an anti-racist point of view.

    Latoya: From what they said, I agree. And again, I felt like that was how Raina Kelley was used.

    Thea: Did you get a sense of how Kelley felt about being deployed?

    Latoya: She says she volunteered to speak up for them because she believed in the piece, not out of loyalty or anything else. However, as an observer, I was totally put off by their “We are so not racist, we got a black friend” play.

    Thea: It just seems like a big no-no.  And “Raina will deal with your race questions from now on.”  I really was stunned when I read that.

    Latoya:
    Seriously – it was like we were playing anti-racist bingo. And this goes back to the dynamic we discussed in an earlier convo – the idea that we need to avoid the appearance of racism, rather than stop committing racist actions. (And I am preparing for the deluge of white women’s tears at that statement.)

    Thea: Right.  Which I think comes from folks being shamed at a young age for expressing racist views, but not for having them.

    Thea: The “tears of white women” leads to my last point.  I have to run, but I just wanted to say this.

    This piece from a blog called Authentic Organisations by CV Harquail criticises the anti-racist criticism of the of the Newsweek 3, and the Newsweek 3 actually posted this quote from Harquail on their blog, which really put me off:

    You’d think that feminists around the blogosphere would have rallied to the cause of the Newsweek 3. After all, advocacy requires courage, and courage requires social support. What you’ll find, instead, is a conversation about how the women and their advocacy is not good enough. You’ll read that these three women –white women, college-educated women, physically able women, English as first language women – can’t possibly represent “feminism”.

    Harquail (who wrote the piece) is basically saying: the Newsweek 3 worked hard and were courageous, can’t we at least commend them for that?

    Latoya: So, in sum, STFU and get in line, you ungrateful darkies?

    Thea: Genuine LOL! I think part of why reading about this whole Newsweek 3 debacle was personally painful for me, is because it mirrored my own experiences of trying to talk to non anti racist feminists about why race matters.  It was a battle I lost and I no longer comfortably label myself a “feminist.” The word just has too much racist baggage for me.  The sentiment “hey, we worked really hard, and now all you want to do is pile on” is basically exactly what the feminist orgs I worked with said, when I criticised their race politics.

    Latoya: Yup. That’s why my feminism is hip-hop flavored.

    Thea: (And can I just sidebar that the women of colour at my organisation did exactly what the Newsweek 3 reported the 46 women of Newsweek doing in 1970 in response to sexism: we met in secret to try and validate each others’ distress. That is just how hostile the environment was. )

    Latoya: Never even caring how much these thoughtless actions alienate women with brown skin and racialized gender politcs who may want our struggles acknowledged too. The question is always framed as what about their hard work – What about us? We work so hard, can’t we get a mention?

    Thea: Right.  The argument is always, we work so hard, can’t we get a break? But you know, I understand this feeling. I feel that way myself sometimes, to be honest, whenever I get a load of harsh criticism. How can I not? Everyone at Racialicious has a full time job, if not two, on top of their Racialicious work.  We are seriously killing ourselves here. And when commenters tell me (often in floods) that I did a shitastic job, after I have worked my ass off on an article that I didn’t even have time to write in the first place, it is super frustrating.

    Latoya: And the Racialicious crew, better than anyone, knows all about falling short of our activist goals. Shit, we don’t even have race all the way on lock, and when you add in the other anti-oppression stuff…

    Thea: Right, that’s why it sucks.  It’s not the inaccurate, just-doesn’t-get-what-I’m-saying responses that sting.  It’s the one’s that are on the money that hurt. But you know what? When I have a bad comment day, I go into the bathroom and I have a cry and I get all my self-loathing out of the way. But. Then I come back, and I try and figure out how to amend what I messed up.

    Latoya: Yeah – the comeuppance part always sucks, but if you handle it right, you come away with a new perspective and new friends.

    Thea: Right? Because people criticising you, that’s work for those people.  They’re taking time to criticise you because they care about the cause. Jezebel and Girldrive etc take the time to criticise Newsweek not because they are jealous bitches, but because this is how the movement grows.

    Latoya: The only other option is just staying ignorant in a small, diminished world.

    Thea: And this is why feminism isn’t growing.

    Latoya: We aren’t in the feminism of the past any more – things have changed…

    Thea: But feminism  keeps hitting its head against the same wall.

    Latoya: Exactly.

    Thea: Because the power players can’t admit that not all women are white,  or they can’t admit that they are white But seriously – what is that reviled phrase? – “put on your big girl panties already.”

    Latoya: Ha! Panty up!

    (This song is begging for an anti-racist feminist remix. Just sayin’…)

    Thea: You did half the work, now do the other half.  And no, I am not going to say you did a good job, until you finish the job, because otherwise I am not a good ally to your cause.

    Latoya: Maybe they are honestly afraid their thunder will be stolen if they acknowledge the existence of others.

    Thea: Well that’s what it’s about, I think, partly. The “let’s not divide the movement” defense.  But, newsflash! You have a race! It affects your life just as your gender does!

    Latoya: The movement been divided.

    Thea: Mmmmhmmmm.

    Latoya: The only way to end those divisions is to start airing out the laundry.

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Comments

  1. Rachel wrote:

    You guys said it all, but I just have to second and say that anyone who thinks that they can talk about feminism without talking about class and race is DOING IT WRONG.

  2. MoonCat wrote:

    I just wanted to say thank you for continuing to contribute at Jezebel, I really love reading your posts, they give me so much to think about.
    Race in feminism is such an important topic as women of color face so many challenges that are invisible to white women.
    It’s important to know the challenges that women of all ethnic, racial, religious and socioeconomic backgrounds are facing. Almost every time I learn about something new, I have to go back to my original thoughts, erase and restructure as necessary as to what it means to be a feminist striving for a just society for everyone.

  3. Montclair Mommy wrote:

    I’m 100% on board with your entire conversation, Latoya and Thea. If the article didn’t want to “deal” with race then the peice should have been called “Are White Women There Yet?” Its time for us white women to stop acting like we are the default. They are generalizing their experiences like they are the experiences of “women” instead of specifying that they do NOT speak for all women. As usual, Racialicious gives a solid intellectual critique on the mainstream “Wait…there’s still sexism??! Shh, lets not mention any other ‘isms’ that would be too HARD to think about! Ouch! My brain hurts!” articles. What nonsense.

  4. gail wrote:

    Love, love, love this post! Thank you for bringing your truth to this situation.

  5. atlasien wrote:

    I wasn’t aware of this story before, and this is great, really comprehensive treatment of it.

    I’m still smarting a bit about being called a “whatever”.

  6. deathblossom wrote:

    Wow, sometimes you just have to wonder how people can be so brazenly ignorant and insulting about something that costs them nothing but, perhaps, a tiny bit of modesty and humility. You messed up! Deal! Learn! And we won’t have to “keep bringing this up” and putting you on the defensive!

    How you be committed to talking about feminism and imply that race has no connection, when race affects how you may experience sexism and when people of different races are still women?

    Kelley really should have just not joined the party because everything she said was pretty much completely offensive. No fascinating history of black women? As a black woman, I don’t fit into the narrative that they shaped. She needs a big neon flashing sign that says, “That’s the point!”

  7. Sean wrote:

    I know I have a Y chromosome, but I just had to point out: Wasn’t this all obvious during the 2008 Democratic primaries? You know? When the beef between the Obama and Hillary factions revealed the true, ahem…colors of certain feminsts?

    Geraldine Ferraro anyone?

    How about when Sarah Palin was selected as John McCain’s running mate? I don’t think I saw so many feminists at once swearing allegiance to the GOP since… about… I think… ok, never.

    I’m hardly surprised.

  8. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    I finally understood when I took a class on Africana Womanism years ago at college and my female (black) professor told us that feminism was for white women who wanted to join the Man and become part of the system, instead of fighting the system.

    I thought about that while reading this.

  9. Daniel W. wrote:

    I love you guys!

    That is all.

  10. Monkey King wrote:

    Latoya and Thea. You two rock. That is all.

  11. cv harquail wrote:

    An important responsibility for anyone who wants to criticize another person’s point of view/blog post is to actually read their piece.

    Latoya and Thea, I would appreciate it if you would come to my blog, AuthenticOrganizations.com, and read the entire post that I wrote.

    Read the part where I write:

    “It is true, and it’s almost embarrassing, that the Newsweek journalist-advocates did not address the intersection of race & gender (or class, or ability, or sexual orientation or gender performance, or cultural group) in their criticism of Newsweek. It’s upsetting that they failed to note or quote any woman of color in their article. It’s misleading to represent feminism with photos and illustrations of only white women.

    Yes, their analysis is simplistic. Yes, they could and should have done better to be appropriately inclusive and to represent feminism in its sophistication and breadth.”

    Summarize my post as :

    (1) acknowledging that there is an important conversation about the role of race — hey, and other social categorizations — with regard to the inferred claims that the Newsweek article accurately describes ‘feminism’, and

    (2) as asserting that the conversation about the racism of the piece & the authors is only part of a larger story, all of which is important to pursue.

    You limit the trustworthiness of your critique if you only quote selectively from my writing or anyone else’s by taking only what supports your meme.

    (Note: the gals at @EqualityMyth did a similar job of quoting only what they could use to support their claims of victimization, while blithely overlooking my criticism of them.)

    By concluding that my post says to you and to those conducting any critique of the racism regarding the Newsweek article “STFU and Get in line, you ungrateful darkies” is to demonstrate that you didn’t read it with the intent to understand where I was coming from, or to include my actual, complex, views in your your conversation.

    Come back, read the post again. Maybe even read some of my other posts about racism, homophobia, sexism and classism in organizations, and then lets talk.

    cvh

  12. allheavens wrote:

    Brilliant piece. As a woman of a certain age I have always found the “Feminist Movement” to be something far removed from my Black experience.

    You cannot separate race from gender and white feminists continually flounder in their inability to accept this concept when in juxtaposition to their “groupthink” that feminism is about gender alone.

    I do not know if white feminists are uncomfortable with the race/gender dynamic because they know they have contributed to the oppression of WOC or feel a certain amount of guilt having benefited from that behavior.

    Either way, doubling down is not the answer. Personally, I always thought that first wave and second wave feminism was purely for the advancement of white women. As a Black female I have always fought to be viewed “equally” by both white patriarchal and matriarchal societies.

    To find, that even today “third wave” feminism is still given the side-eye by white feminist who feel their accomplishments are being threaten or diminished is not surprising or acceptable.

  13. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @CV –

    We did. In sum, that was your post. You, just like the Newsweek 3, acknowledged that racism was a big issue. But then you called for an end to infighting and to celebrate what was accomplished, which we as WOC hear ALL THE FUCKING TIME when we bring up this problem. Acknowledging the problem is not the same as actively working toward a solution.

  14. Montclair Mommy wrote:

    “. . . [Y]ou didn’t read it with the intent to understand where I was coming from, or to include my actual, complex, views in your your conversation. ” Interesting…that’s exactly what the article did…ignore the ‘actual, complex, views’ of ENTIRE groups of women. The problem is that saying “Whoops, sorry we forgot you, but really YOU just don’t get what I, the superior REAL feminist is saying” is still marginalizing. I thought the entire point of feminism was to realize the our privileges and disadvantages intersect and interact. If a piece has made another person feel othered, isn’t it important to remain open, accept the criticism and try to do better in the future? Do you see why “I’m sorry BUT” and then CONTINUING to belittle by assuming that the critique was ignorant and uninformed (um, I’m pretty sure both Latoya and Thea read everything they critique…) piles offensive on top of offensive? If this is your brand of feminism, I want no part of it.

    Your post was patronizing and I think you could benefit from reading about derailing…which you would know if you took the time to read the “other posts about racism, homophobia, sexism and classism in organizations.”

  15. Shelly wrote:

    Great great piece, I love the convo tone in the second half.

    More to the issue, Newsweek failed to engage the idea that race was ALWAYS an issue in the feminist movement– I get so sick of people thinking that WHITE isn’t a race or is the absence of race. And discussing pretty much anything without addressing white privilege (these women got to be heard in court, these faces now GET to represent feminism) is ignorant at best. Let’s not lie, white women get a lot out of claiming the origins of second wave feminism–but to me, its embarrassing. And its even more embarrassing that So.Many.People. came to Newsweek’s defense–by attacking the criticism. I’m disgusted by Newsweek, though, sadly, not entirely surprised.

  16. Montclair Mommy wrote:

    …that are posted on Racialicious was meant to be at the end of that last sentence. Sorry, I was just kind of flabbergasted by the nasty tone of her response. OF COURSE if someone is criticizing your work they MUST have not read the entire thing, right? Hurumph.

  17. gillian wrote:

    Thank you for this post. I remember reading Naomi Wolf’s “The Beauty Myth” and being appalled at the decidedly white, middle class focus of the analysis. Needless to say, I didn’t finish the book.

  18. Big Man wrote:

    Here’s something I noticed.

    When I see these discussions about feminism, I consistently see it expressed that introducing race into a discussion about feminism is uncouth and ridiculous.

    I wonder, do these people have the same policy about introducing “class” into discussions about “race.”

    Are all “isms” supposed to be discussed separately, or does only feminism have that vaunted position?

    I’m curious.

  19. Katie wrote:

    Awesome, awesome post – I laughed out loud. Thanks for taking this tired-ass shit apart, once AGAIN.

  20. Big Man wrote:

    Oh, and I just wanted to add that Latoya is truly hilarious.
    The back and forth between she and Thea had some classic gems.

    “STFU and get in line darkies!”

    Yes, I get that sense from folks all the time.

    Along with:

    “Wait your effing turn! Damn, you coloreds are always trying to jump the line.”

  21. NAS wrote:

    Thanks for this. The Newsweek article rubbed me the wrong way in a bunch of ways, but you took it apart (and the responses) and showed me much more clearly how all the things that were bothering me worked, _and_ all the stuff that I did not notice because of my own privileges. I don’t feel guilty reading Racialicious at work, because there is no way all the things I learn here are not applicable to any workplace, much less my intensely public-speaking/info-resource-creating work.

  22. Penni Brown wrote:

    Applause! Thea and Latoya, I love the way you guys broke it down.

  23. queerhapa wrote:

    Loved this. And love the alternate title!

  24. NotAnotherTokenWOC wrote:

    Yall are hilarious!

    I love that you have such incredible analysis and the humility to put out that criticism is harsh, especially when it’s real. Regardless of how the [white]newsweek folks respond, it’s their loss – you have made more than an open invitation to engage.
    I feel for Raina Kelly for being put in that position by [white] sisters who are putting the spotlight on her as if it’s her problem. That kind of defense only blocks their growth and hers unfortunately.

    Most of all i love how funny you are even while you’re sincere and on point. if we can’t laugh at this shit then we can’t probably can’t stay in the struggle or speak truth.

    I love the idea that the article should have been called “Are White Women There Yet?”. And the t-shirt “But shit, could we get a sidebar?” Make it happen :)

  25. Valkyrie607 wrote:

    “We’re talking about a generation of middle class white girls that were promised the moon – and they didn’t get it. We did not full prepare them to deal with a world where they were second class citizens…no one older, or of a different color could have told this story.”

    I would just like to point out that if white feminists weren’t so isolated from issues of race and class, then the sort of situation described above–where relatively privileged white girls are shocked when they go out into the world and discover that they are not, in fact, equal, would be a much less common scenario.

    Fantastic conversation, thanks for the article (especially “Panty Up,” that was hilarious).

  26. Valkyrie607 wrote:

    Also, it’s funny and sad that Newsweek’s response was very much along the line of “How dare you be less than 100% supportive of us feminists?” I think the whole point was that they were supposed to answer that question themselves, as it was asked by Jezebel and the other folks who brought up the critique.

  27. Val wrote:

    I wonder what would have happened had Raina Kelly declined to speak up for them. Would there have been a backlash against her at Newsweek?

  28. Cheryl t-z wrote:

    Lovely post! It’s so frustrating to see white feminists *still* suggesting that WoC should “take one for the team” and sit on the back burner while we talk about white women (again).

    @BigMan, whenever I see people invoking “class” in these discussions I’m suspicious (but NOT automatically dismissive), because “class” is a very common derailing tactic by people who try to turn the discussion into one that centers on low-income straight white men. There *is* substantive discussion to be had about class, but the topic’s been poisoned by people who aren’t bringing it up in good faith.

    That said, any discussion of -isms can fall prey to intersectionality failure.

  29. Persia wrote:

    Great post. And I also want to cosign Shelly:

    More to the issue, Newsweek failed to engage the idea that race was ALWAYS an issue in the feminist movement– I get so sick of people thinking that WHITE isn’t a race or is the absence of race.

    Seriously, how many times do we have to go through this? Every time, apparently.

  30. lovepeaceohana wrote:

    “. . . [Y]ou didn’t read it with the intent to understand where I was coming from, or to include my actual, complex, views in your your conversation. ”

    Isn’t accusing a person of colour of arguing in bad faith an anti-racist bingo square? … and is anyone else hearing “Bear’s a better writer than y’all are readers” too, or is that just me?

  31. pesematology wrote:

    I’m white and middle-class and I agree with you. Thank you for writing this. It makes me mad that so many white feminists don’t seem to give a fuck that they’re amputating a huge part of womanity from feminism when they act like baby princesses about class and race. A movement for equality can not function if it becomes nothing but an echo chamber.

  32. Cheryl t-z wrote:

    oops. And to address my own intersectionality failure: it’s not just race, gender, and sexual orientation discussions that get derailed by unsubstantive detours masquerading as discussions about “class” — discussions about transphobia get derailed that way, too.

    So to re-state, I’m suspicious of discussions of “class” because it’s a common derailing tactic by people who try to turn the discussion into one that centers on low-income, cis, straight, white men.

  33. Anti-Intellect wrote:

    I loved every minute of it. I am a black gay man who is also a proud feminist and I experience this all the time in the black community when I critique black men who go on and on about how racist the world is but do not acknowledge that as black men, as black heterosexual men, they benefit from the disadvantages of black women and gay men. Like you said if you don’t want to talk about male privilege and hetero privilege then frame your arguments honestly. ITS HARD OUT THERE FOR BLACK HETEROSEXUAL MEN!

    I refuse to give up on feminism as I know it is the key that unlocks the gate to equality but gosh darnit some people make it very hard not to!

  34. Thea Lim wrote:

    @CV Harquail

    You should note that when I quoted your article, I was quoting Newsweek 3 quoting you…in other words, the only part I mentioned was the glowing part, as that was the only part they mentioned. Which was my point – that the Newsweek 3 were saying “can’t we get a break?” without responding to other criticisms you made of them.

    My interest in quoting you was not to clarify the true meaning of your post, but to discuss the ways the Newsweek 3 were trying to defend themselves against the mean anti racist feminists.

    I did read your whole post. I understood you to be saying, sure these are real problems, but why can’t we be nicer to the Newsweek 3? Which ultimately is not so different from what the Newsweek 3 had to say.

  35. Joel Dinosaur wrote:

    100% on the money. MoP an everything.

  36. deechirichi wrote:

    Thank you, truly.

  37. Lydia wrote:

    The article itself didn’t bother me nearly as much as the responses they made. What really bothers me is that the current journalists at Newsweek had no curiosity as to why the black women didn’t sign on!?! Here they are trying to talk about how great it was that these 46 women signed on, but didn’t include in the article why none of the women of color signed on to it? Unbelievable. I don’t understand how that is some aside and a justification for not including talking about women of color. If the point of the piece was to compare how women had it 40 years ago to how women have it now, how is it not relevant to add in the women of color who worked at Newsweek then and now? They had no interest in exploring why those women didn’t sign on to the lawsuit? I think exclusion speaks volumes.

  38. Nona wrote:

    Loved this post and couldn’t agree more. The thing that was sad about the Newsweek article is that lots of grassroots, bloggy feminism–which encompasses SO MANY KICK-ASS PEOPLE doing amazing things, and I’d argue the majority of self-identified feminists in the U.S.–IS intersectional, DOES acknowledge racism/classism/homophobia. But the “mainstream” narrative is stuck in 1972 and can’t acknowledge this as the definition of 2010 feminism, which furthers the cycle of WOC feeling completely turned off by feminism (rightly so). So many young progressive feminists (white or of color) have figured out that feminism is an easier sell without anti-racism–why can’t places like Newsweek or CNN?

    I thought Latoya’s point about their sources in the article was especially impt–it’s an empty excuse to say “We needed mainstream sources, so we couldn’t find any women of color.” Forget the fact that there ARE feminists of color in the mainstream narrative about feminism (Melissa Harris-Lacewell, Jehmu Greene, etc.). It’s also that they failed to acknowledge that they have the power to change that mainstream narrative, that they could have rendered WOC’s voices credible, “mainstream,” etc. But they chose not to, and that’s heartbreaking.

  39. Nona wrote:

    sorry, I meant feminism ISN’T an easier sell without racism!

  40. PilgrimSoul wrote:

    Excellent, Latoya and Thea, seriously. Though I don’t think the equality myth folk got your point, as they’ve now simply reblogged part of your conversation without comment other than some kind of passive-aggressive remark that you were “taking on the Newsweek 3.”

    I’m a white lady who used to do this kind of dismissive bullshit all the time and I wish more than anything that I could take it all back. Hopefully these young women will too…

  41. Nona wrote:

    ANTI-racism, I mean. Jesus, I need more coffee.

  42. xgswxirojxoz wrote:

    So I expect that every man of color who writes something about racism and fails to mention how he benefits from male privilege would get this same sort of criticism, right?

    Mod Note – Have you read this WOC-run, gender politics needs to discuss race, race politics need to discuss gender, and we are working on getting up to speed with class, colonialism, queer politics, and ability blog before? Because that tired ass “you never call out civil rights on their gender problems!” excuse won’t fly here. – LDP

  43. Janette wrote:

    This is a fantastic post. Full disclosure: I’m a white woman, and I’d like to think a feminist as well. As you pointed out, though, no discussion on feminism can be complete without acknowledging all other factors at play. I’m a special educator; this post reminded me strongly of what I deal with every day, though in a different context. I don’t know if you all are familiar with special education law, but quite frankly, its procedures and methods of advocacy are designed for white, middle-class families. So many educators don’t acknowledge that glaring truth, and the students they service suffer as a result. Like it or not, race is inextricably intertwined with everything we do. As much as peeople don’t want to admit it, it is impossible to be truly “color blind.” The first step in fixing that, though, is acknowledging that a problem actually exists.

  44. Mimi wrote:

    Thank you! Reading this post was a delight. I’ve been dealing with similar frustrations as the ’90s nostalgia moment barrels full-speed ahead, with riot grrrl in particular being romanticized as a moment of “young women’s feminism” that is presumed to be missing from today — without due notice that riot grrrl was a feminist phenomenon that continued in the grand tradition of being unable to handle race and racism and the women of color in their midst (including myself), despite the occasional bell hooks or Cherrie Moraga quote in a zine or lyric handout. There’s a relatively enormous outpouring of monographs and documentaries about riot grrrl right now that do not deal with this at all –let alone how wrong it is to single out riot grrrl as the exemplary “young women’s feminism of the ’90s” but ignore the amazing proliferation of hip hop feminisms during the same moment. WTF.

  45. Cakes wrote:

    “Thea: …And no, I am not going to say you did a good job, until you finish the job, because otherwise I am not a good ally to your cause.”

    CO.SIGN!

    Love,
    Whatever

  46. MC wrote:

    Latoya, I don’t think I have told you today how fabulous and amazing and smart and funny and kick-ass you are. So I am!

  47. Thea Lim wrote:

    @Mimi

    You should check out Latoya’s old post on Liz Phair for Feministe. http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/04/exile-in-girlville/
    It speaks to a lot of your very reasonable frustrations, and (anonymously) quotes me!

  48. Samia wrote:

    Great piece. Thanks so much for exposing me to the awesome that is Kelly Zen-Yie Tsai (also, hot damn, that is one good-looking woman, sorry had to say it ^_^” ). She and Jay Smooth have helped me figure out what makes me so uncomfortable about the “black, white, purple, green, etc.”-type comments people make sometimes.

  49. Rose Fox wrote:

    It seems clear to me that “This question came out of left field” is just a way of saying “Oh no, someone is threatening our control over our message!”. And there’s the immediate twofold defensive reaction: loud reinforcement of the message, and an attempt to co-opt those they see as threatening. White people with lots of power and amplified voices are still flat-out terrified of non-white people who speak up for themselves in their own small, independent venues. It’s deeply depressing.

  50. Tatiana wrote:

    Fantastic!! Thank you for writing such a wonderful piece.

    Gratefully,
    Another Whatever

  51. Mimi wrote:

    Thea, I had just been reading that some weeks ago — Latoya’s post featured prominently in a presentation at the 12th Annual Women’s History Month Conference at Sarah Lawrence called “The Message Is In the Music: Hip Hop Feminism, Riot Grrrl, Latina Music and More.” Reading it was such a breath of fresh air!

  52. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Mimi – Really? Can I get some details? Sounds interesting…

  53. A.D. Nix wrote:

    Oh, man. That Liz Phair article is EXACTLY what came to mind when I started reading through all of this business and in light of the . . . homogeneous suggestions in the comments section of Jezebel’s “What Makes a Feminist Rock Star” post yesterday.

    I didn’t realize that Latoya wrote it! I remember reading it and thinking “F-ing FINALLY.” Brilliant.

  54. LeSpinster wrote:

    Excellent article Thea and Latoya. I’m hardly new, but I can’t even lie and say a piece of my heart didn’t cry a little bit when I read the response to Jezebel saying a story on race would be “beside the point.”

    @deathblossom, I agree with everything you wrote, but especially your point about humility. So essential to all conversations, yet so hard to come by.

    Also, that “black, white, whatever” video is the business.

  55. k. wrote:

    loved this great and strong piece!

    to note:
    the white middle-class women are also quite
    femme- read and or presumably straight/heterosexual identified.

    as a friend and fierce activist responded to an
    all white poetry space once said, “you’re not
    colorblind, you just see white all the time.”
    and i think this goes for heterosexual privilege
    in the people of color and woman of color
    communities– seeing straight all the time.

    but i would also add that what racialicious,
    kelly’s poem, and this lovely analysis is
    missing is the heterosexism that of which they are created and lack of LGBTQ women-identified people in the discourse. like the invisibility of race and WOC perspectives, i’m noticing a loss in expressing and relating feminism as a movement that has embedded intersectionality. along all the identities and oppressions. gender is not just a discourse for those who are either man or woman. those limitations trouble me and i ask that we examine gender binaries in our POC and WOC communities.

    please refer to:

    http://www.transgenderlawcenter.org/pdf/beyond_the_binary.pdf

    http://alp.org/

    (i say this as an LGBTQ person of color and woman-identified person.)

  56. alumiere wrote:

    Thanks. I totally missed the Newsweek article and the follow ups until I saw your brilliant take on the problems.

    I still have an incredibly hard time self-identifying as a feminist because I grew up in the 70’s and the middle-class/wealthy hetero/cis/white woman definition of feminism is the one I ran into first. It’s impossible for me to ignore that history, although I do consider myself a feminist now.

    But the past and current behaviors of many activist groups piss me off. LGBTQ activists who are all about rainbow flags and make the BTQ portion of their activism lip service at best disgust me. The disability rights activists who forget that chronic illness is a disability too. Etc, etc, etc. I get so angry when people who are supposed to be working to make things better for everyone manage to exclude people.

    Unfortunately, the Newsweek 3 and the mainstream press in general still seem to have blinders on regarding these issues. Thankfully people like you are here to foster real discussion about these problems, and I live in hope that my nephews or their kids or grand-kids will one day live in a world where these intersections are no longer ignored.

  57. Snarky's Machine wrote:

    This is why feminists can’t have nice things! I really wished to avoid this story weary of the “same ole same ole”, but I’m grateful that folks are talking about it.

    I agree that personal stories are a vital aspect of feminist, however framing those “personal” stories as the universal experience is freaking tedious.

    I am so tired of white feminists whining about not getting the blingy barbie dreams they were promised.

    Yeah, yeah, welcome to the party; help yourself to some bean dip.

  58. lm wrote:

    Yeah, okay, cv-

    “By concluding that my post says to you and to those conducting any critique of the racism regarding the Newsweek article “STFU and Get in line, you ungrateful darkies” is to demonstrate that you didn’t read it with the intent to understand where I was coming from, or to include my actual, complex, views in your your conversation.”

    Interrogating the text from the “wrong perspective” again then, are they?

    *long slow eyeroll*

  59. Mimi wrote:

    @ Latoya, I can’t get on my email for some reason right now, but as soon as I do, I’ll give you the details on the conference and the presentation that cited you!

  60. Scarlet wrote:

    HUZZAH!

  61. Jonquil wrote:

    Yes, ma’ams. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

    And in particular, thank you for this:

    Latoya: And the Racialicious crew, better than anyone, knows all about falling short of our activist goals. Shit, we don’t even have race all the way on lock, and when you add in the other anti-oppression stuff…

    Thea: Right, that’s why it sucks. It’s not the inaccurate, just-doesn’t-get-what-I’m-saying responses that sting. It’s the one’s that are on the money that hurt. But you know what? When I have a bad comment day, I go into the bathroom and I have a cry and I get all my self-loathing out of the way.But. Then I come back, and I try and figure out how to amend what I messed up.

    Latoya: Yeah – the comeuppance part always sucks, but if you handle it right, you come away with a new perspective and new friends.

    I don’t hear people say this often enough. I try to do the right thing. Sometimes I do the wrong thing. It really really really hurts to get called on it. But I try to clean up my mess and move on.

  62. AvPlaya wrote:

    Isn’t it interesting how white feminists treat WoC the same way they were treated by the white males when they themselves decided to speak up?

    I really like the idea that white feminists were looking to join The Man instead of fighting against it. Looks like The Man gets it, and the first ally they seek is the white female when the darkies get unruly and start getting themselves elected as presidents. That explains the popularity of Sarah Palin among the bigots.

  63. linny wrote:

    First off, thank you thank you thank you for the link to the “White Woman’s Tears” poem.

    Secondly, that “left-field” comment left me very angry. It sweeps away WOC in a dismissive way that leaves me cold.

    I’m a social psychologist, and this reminded me of a talk I heard this year about “moral thermometers.” Basically, research indicates that when people feel like they have worked really hard to be moral, sometimes that leads them to become more selfish in future tasks. It’s almost like they figure they’ve done their bit of good, put money in the great karmic bank in the sky, and so can coast a little. I see it time and time again with white feminists becoming defensive about race/racism issues. It’s almost as if they are saying, “I’m so conscious of women’s rights, so I don’t need to be aware of anything else.” Which smacks of selfish entitlement, because not everyone has the luxury of separating out the two.

    Anyways. It made me mad and made me think.

    I’m more of a lurker and a reader than a commenter, but I thought I’d put this in writing. And Latoya, I’m a big fan.

  64. linny wrote:

    Oh, and the poem by Kelly Zen-Yie Tsai was kick ass.

  65. Brooke wrote:

    “Isn’t it interesting how white feminists treat WoC the same way they were treated by the white males when they themselves decided to speak up?”

    The trifecta of WOC/trans/disability boycotts of Feministing demonstrates that lacking privilege in one area does not stop someone from being a complete ass in the areas that they do have privilege. As has been noted here and at Jezebel, a lot of women use the VERY SAME silencing tactics towards those groups that they complain about men using on women. It’s shameful.

  66. lfresh wrote:

    boyohboy this was an exciting read

  67. Ewwww wrote:

    One thing from this post that really jumped out at me is the quote from Authentic Organizations. That really just laid out pretty much everything that’s wrong with white middle-class feminist spectrum:

    “After all, advocacy requires courage, and courage requires social support. What you’ll find, instead, is a conversation about how the women and their advocacy is not good enough.”

    It boils down the entire discussion of the really sprawling history involved in this specific story and the entirety of feminism to “advocacy” which we’re supposed to somehow automatically valorize. For POC and marginalized identities broadly, fighting for work place justice isn’t simply “advocacy”–like this is some parlor room game of advocating for a more enlightened life–it’s a fight for bare survival at times.

    The whole “advocacy” line just stinks to high heaven. And if you dig at the “about” section of the blog, it’s an entire blog devoted to the needs of managers of non-profits organization. Creepy.

  68. Sandy Dwyer wrote:

    Excellent. Got to you via a facebook post of a friend. Haven’t read Newsweek in years. No matterm enjoyed the analysis. Have always hated politically correct speech because it makes it slightly more difficult to identify the bigots. But, as a slightly retired newspaper editor, it seems to me that with that article Newsweek did a great deal of good – got this conversation going – got people to think. So, keep up the good work.

  69. AnonyMiss wrote:

    I really enjoyed reading this article and I thank you for taking the time to write it. I am a sophmore in college and as a freshman I took a feminist course at my school. I was frequently annoyed with the material presented because quite honestly it didn’t coincide with my history. As you stated, “women” often meant “white women” and we never discussed black women. I felt compelled to bring up this issue to the teacher who I could tell was not pleased that I’d chosen to bring race into the discussion but I felt that it was relevant because me being black makes my view of what i means to be a woman very different that a white woman perspective. some people call me a feminist but i honestly am not comfortable with that term for similar reasons stated in this article.

  70. Hapa wrote:

    Bam! All the bases are covered. Great piece. I’m so tired of white being seen as neutral and default.

  71. keshet80 wrote:

    Missed the original article and ensuing battle, so I appreciate the summary here. Thank you for the wonderful conversation and for, yet again, pointing out the failure of [white] feminism to acknowledge race and “isms”.
    The story of those WoC who chose not to participate in the suit certainly had a reason, and that reason deserved telling in this article… maybe that reason would have marred this article in the eyes of the authors. I now thirst to learn more about this story.

    I love this blog and frequently lurk and read.

    Sincerly,
    white [woman, cis, able-bodied, lesbian, feminist, Jewish] in “white, black, whatever…”

  72. srb199 wrote:

    I’m so grateful to this site for informing me, enlightening me, and in cases like this, giving a me a voice (instead of yelling curse words at my computer monitor!). So much that has been said represents my beliefs on this. So a big co-sign. But I do want to latch on to what keshet80 said though.

    This whole debate (or non-debate really) comes down to the “failure of [white] feminism”. That line needs to be stated in an echo chamber. To paraphrase Dr. King, when one is down, we are all down. We should be demanding equality for ALL women, and it should not be ok that some women experience gains (that happen to mostly look the same).

  73. Toya wrote:

    This article reminded me that this is nothing new… white women often are amazed at their boundaries… it also reminded me of Beah Richards poem “A Black Woman Speaks”… I’ve included an excerpt here:
    Let’s look to history.

    They said, the white supremacist said
    that you were better than me,
    that your fair brow would never know the sweat of slavery.
    They lied
    White womanhood to is enslaved,
    The difference is degree.

    They brought me here in chains.
    They brought you here willing slaves to man.
    You, shiploads of women each filled with hope
    That she might win with ruby lip and saucy curl
    And bright and flashing eyes
    Him to wife who had the largest tender.
    Remember?
    And they sold you here even as they sold me.

    My sisters, there is no room for mockery.
    If they counted my teeth
    They did appraise your thigh
    And sold you to the highest bidder
    The same as I.

    And you did not fight for your right to choose
    Whom you would wed
    But for whatever bartered price
    That was the legal tender
    You were sold to a stranger’s bed
    In a stranger land
    Remember?
    And you did not fight.
    Mind you, I speak not mockingly
    But I fought for freedom,
    I’m fighting now for our unity.
    We are women all.
    And what wrongs you murders me
    And eventually marks your grave
    So we share a mutual death at the hand of tyranny.

    They trapped me with the chain and gun.
    They trapped you with lying tongue.
    For, ‘less you see that fault—
    That male villainy
    That robbed you of name, voice and authority,
    That murderous greed that wasted you and me,
    He, the white supremacist, fixed your minds with poisonous thought:
    “white skin is supreme.”
    And there with bought that monstrous change
    exiling you to things.
    Changed all that nature had in you wrought of gentle usefulness, abolishing your spring.
    Tore out your heart,
    set your good apart from all that you could say,
    think,
    feel,
    know to be right.
    And you did not fight,
    but set your minds fast on my slavery
    the better to endure your own.

    ‘Tis true
    my pearls were beads of sweat
    wrung from weary bodies’ pain,
    instead of rings upon my hands
    I wore swollen, bursting veins.
    My ornaments were the wipe-lash’s scar
    my diamond, perhaps, a tear.
    Instead of paint and powder on my face
    I wore a solid mask of fear to see my blood so spilled.
    And you, women seeing
    spoke no protest
    but cuddled down in your pink slavery
    and thought somehow my wasted blood
    confirmed your superiority.

    Because your necklace was of gold
    you did not notice that it throttled speech.
    Because diamond rings bedecked your hands
    you did not regret their dictated idleness.
    Nor could you see that the platinum bracelets which graced your wrists were chains
    binding you fast to economic slavery
    And though you claimed your husband’s name
    still could not command his fidelity.

    You bore him sons.
    I bore him sons.
    No, not willingly.
    He purchase you.
    He raped me,
    I fought!
    But you fought neither for yourselves nor me.
    Sat trapped in your superiority
    and spoke no reproach.
    Consoled your outrage with an added diamond brooch.
    Oh, God, how great is a woman’s fear
    who for a stone, a cold, cold stone
    would not defend honor, love or dignity!

    you get the picture….
    same story different era…

  74. ptp wrote:

    There are some parts of being a white male that make privilege recognition really easy.

    Once you get over that first, difficult hurdle of saying “You know what, I AM privileged, and it’s time to shut up and accept it” you can basically look at almost everything about yourself and just assume that the privilege is there.

    I don’t envy you ladies, or the ladies on the Newsweek 3 side of things, because this is a complicated thing you’re asking them to do, but it’s essential, and it’s essential that you don’t back down.

    I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it. Hey look, meta-privilege!

  75. srb199 wrote:

    In a discussion with another WOC about this episode, she sent the following link that analyzes Alice Walker’s womanist definition: http://science.jrank.org/pages/8159/Womanism.html. “Womanist is to feminist what lavendar is to purple.”

  76. Sophie wrote:

    Thank you, Latoya and Thea, for this amazing post.
    Growing up I always just assumed that feminism was inclusive- that injustice against one group was supposed to be fought by all groups. How can anyone in an “Other” group(s) get anywhere without working together? In the last few years I’ve seen how wrong I was in my assumption. I should state that I am white. I don’t know if that (the privileges of being white) contributed to my thoughts (i.e., well, I think it’s wrong to be exclusive to anyone, so other people that identify as feminist must think so too) or not. I’d like to think it’s just common sense- that wanting equality for everyone actually means wanting equality for EVERYONE, and doing something to help get there.

    And then I see the Newsweek thing and want to bash my head against the wall. On the other hand, I don’t bash my head b/c at least there are other people are speaking out. Even when we’re told time and time again that we’re being “too sensitive” or other metaphors to “politely” say STFU.

    I don’t know everything, there’s no way I can truly understand anyone else’s experience, especially in relation to race, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, parenting, etc. I think that may be part of the problem among people who tried to dismiss anyone who complained- they think that they understand b/c they can feel sympathy. It’s not the same thing. I can feel sympathy, I can feel like I understand, but it’s sure as hell not place to say something like “well, it didn’t bother me- therefore it’s not a problem” even if I am a member of the particular group being discussed. I think people forget that part. I think it’s messed up that they retreat farther into that thinking when someone points out how wrong they are. I’m trying real hard to be a good person and to live up to the ideals that I hold- I try to call people out when I see othering happening. The newsweek article, and other incidents like it kill me just a little bit. But then

  77. Sophie wrote:

    Oops, hit send to soon.

    But then I read something on racialicious or jezebel and I’m reminded that evolution does happen and that we all have to work for it. Thank you for giving me hope.

  78. Westerly wrote:

    Late to the party and to this latest imbroglio in the world of white feminism, but having read up on this I find this comment in particular to be exasperating:

    “It is true, and it’s almost embarrassing, that the Newsweek journalist-advocates did not address the intersection of race & gender (or class, or ability, or sexual orientation or gender performance, or cultural group) in their criticism of Newsweek. It’s upsetting that they failed to note or quote any woman of color in their article. It’s misleading to represent feminism with photos and illustrations of only white women.

    Yes, their analysis is simplistic. Yes, they could and should have done better to be appropriately inclusive and to represent feminism in its sophistication and breadth.”

    To which my response is “Yeah…and? So what?”

    I find it curious when people feel that they deserve to be acknowledged or congratulated for stating the obvious. Good for you that what pains and actually enrages many women of colour is a dainty little “whoops now” incident that is in your words, *almost* embarrassing. For you, this clearly doesn’t indicate a repetitive (and exhausting) systematic cycle in which white women are once again deemed universal women and are centralised at the expense of all others, but is merely a slip in etiquette – ‘bad manners’ as it were. You try to qualify what is clearly a by-product racism by suggesting that ‘oh no, no – it’s colour-blindness’ (as if the latter is somehow innocuous or less damaging and doesn’t stem from racism.)

    These chronic occurences of ignoring the existence of WOC are symptomatic of a much deeper syndrome, rather than isolated, puzzling one-off gaffes. But I think it’s incredibly revealing how deeply white feminism is steeped in what I terms as the ‘rhetoric of etiquette’ which is always far more concerned with image and appearance, rather than effects.

    White feminists are extremely well-versed in the confessional game to the point where they have even made careers out of perpetually admitting the shortcomings of white feminist frameworks of analysis, of fessing up, pained postures of ‘mulling it over’, of repetitive apologia, the expressions of ’surprise’ at their familiar failure and so forth. All of which is incredibly meaningless.

    White feminism just needs to come clean, admit to itself and everyone else that the only women they are concerned with are the white, the heterosexual, the able-bodied, and the cis-gendered, and then they can spare themselves the ‘embarrassment’ of explaining away oversight after oversight, there obsessive centralisation of white women and will no longer have to pretend about how accidental it all is. In this way they can be on their merry, racist way and will at least stop wasting other people’s valuable time by pretending that they are a meaningful, inclusive “movement’” while trying to subvert other people’s energy for THEIR self-serving objectives.

  79. Wix wrote:

    @cv harquail

    Wow, I went to your blog to read your full post because I thought maybe you meant something different than what was represented here.

    But, nope. I think Latoya and Thea are right. I don’t think what you said is complex at all. It’s the usual stuff asking women of color to compromise themselves and support white women achieve their goals “for the greater good.”

    Enough already!

  80. Lisa wrote:

    Latoya and Thea,

    Interesting and infuriating piece – thanks for this.

    I took an indefinite leave from the feminist blogosphere and just peaked my head in to see what has been going on.

    There really aren’t any words to describe this shame on Newsweek, except that my head is hanging low in thought again, wondering how in the world mainstream media’s feminism continues to replay itself over and over again.

    The great divide is not race, but the inability to fully comprehend that race matters to human existence and, ultimately, defines ourselves just as much as gender. To speak of gender without acknowledging women of color is not a piece on feminism, it’s a past time joke.

    Indeed, the Newsweek piece is not a piece on feminism, it’s a personal story of not getting the moon.

    The moon is in no one’s grasp, and it’s typically White women who are told and believe it can be theirs. And when they do not get what they want, they want everyone else to listen to their pain because they believe their story will speak for everyone. Everyone, that is, everyone who is White.

  81. Alienati0n wrote:

    THANK YOU! Latoya for covering this extremely important issue.

    MOST, MOST of the racism I’ve experienced has been from white women who immediately become threatened when black women some how have a place on the beauty hierarchy, whether that’s real or imagined on their part. And it doesn’t matter if they are feminists or not. Sabotage, manipulative behavior, using stereotypes of assumed femininity and innocence to prevent any actual responsibility when they target black women for racism is a real threat. It has been quite blatant for me, and I’m sure the same is true for other black women. So where do we turn for allies?

    What feminists ALSO seem a bit willfully ignorant about the fact that black women are perceived as the OPPOSITE of white women, and therefore our oppression specifically has to be combated not by taking on masculine stereotypes, but feminine ones. We don’t have the luxury of saying “We can defend ourselves in unsafe situations”, or “marriage is an oppressive institution” and so on. Our circumstances REQUIRE reclaiming femininity and having a valuable place on the beauty hierarchy if we’re to survive in patriarchy. It’s not fair, but neither is patriarchy.

    It’s also extremely important to take note that black women have been involved heavily in helping white women achieve gender equality, but shouldn’t expect the same level of commitment from white feminists because “race complicates the issue”. They aren’t “allowed” to speak about black women’s oppression for fear of being called racist, is the claim. That is, until, a black man assaults a white woman. Then “being called racist” is no longer relevant, the actions are simply intolerable. And so on.

  82. PatrickInBeijing wrote:

    Latoya and Thea, great piece!! Many thanks..

    I wonder why the Newsweek 3 did not include WOC in their struggle right from the beginning? And why they didn’t see anything wrong with not doing so??? Don’t they see WOC as women?

    I would love to know more about WOC in the original Newsweek struggle. How did they relate to what was going on? Were there ever any conversations with them by the white-feminists? Rather than this being not-important, it is of real importance, and interest.

    The Newsweek 3 really missed the point that nothing has changed…. too many “white feminists” don’t start by working in inclusive groupings, just as they didn’t 50 years ago.

    This is a very important discussion folks are having (important as a learning tool for us white guys!!!) in my opinion. Thanks to the various posters, there is a lot to learn here.