Complex Magazine: The 50 Most Racist Movies You Didn’t Know Were Racist

By Deputy Editor Thea Lim

I had a great time with this article sent to us by reader mra: Complex Magazine’s run-down of the 50 Most Racist Movies You Didn’t Know Were Racist.  The list spans not just time but also ethnocultural group – I was happy to see that Complex pounced on movies offending all sorts of people of colour.   (They even include White Chicks as token movie that offends white people, though I don’t believe in reverse racism.) As you know, cross-community-of-colour solidarity is something we really prize here at the R.

Some entries were obvious – like #47: Big Trouble in Little China:

It’s hardly an ancient Chinese secret that the most populous country in the world, with a cultural legacy thousands of years old, really only excels at doing laundry talking funny marshalling inscrutability and mysticism for untold evil. But you know what’ll stop them? Knocking down their fuckin’ BUDDHA statues. Take two Jesuses and call Jack Burton (Kurt Russell) in the morning!

or #31: Jungle 2 Jungle:

A direct adaptation of the 1994 french film Little Indian, Big City, Jungle 2 Jungle changed the title but kept everything just as racist. Tim Allen meets the son he never knew he had, a 13-year-old who grew up native with his ex-wife and a tribe in Venezuela, and takes him to New York City, where his backward customs simply don’t fly! It just goes to show, video games don’t turn good little white kids into savages—brown-skinned savages turn good little white kids into savages!

But some surprised me, especially the ones that I saw as a child and have not since revisited.  Like this classic of my youth, #23: Adventures in Babysitting:

When a lily-white babysitter (Elizabeth Shue) journeys to the ghetto to rescue a runaway friend who’s stuck in the heart of darkness, she and the kids she’s caring for encounter the full spectrum of black people, from car thieves to gang members, and even the kind that sing and dance! And they say Hollywood doesn’t grasp the diaspora!

While I was puzzled by their numbering system (after all, how do you rank racism?), I really enjoyed this list.  Though of course, as is the nature of lists, they missed some films that would’ve made my top 10.  For example any number of  movies by my ex-friend Wes Anderson (other than Bottle Rockets), or Lost in Translation, which to this day I continue to argue about with Sophia Coppola devotees.  Apart from the overt racism – like the scene with the Japanese escort that is deeply offensive to both Japanese/East Asian people and sex workers on multiple levels – the whole point of the movie disgusts me.  As in, the nauseatingly self-indulgent focus on the deep, brooding subjectivity of two Anglo-Americans, against a backdrop of depthless Japanese people who, with their hilariously absurd subcultures, bizarre language and affinity for bowing, are all exactly the same.

Or taking it one step further, our friend Restructure! recently articulated this superb critique:

One movie that disgusts me is Lost In Translation (2003) and its associated white perspective and white privilege. A typical white liberal may assume that the problem with the film is that existential ennui is an alleged “white” problem, and that white existential angst is trivial to the harsher, material struggles of people of colour. This critique is partly true, in that if existential ennui is your only problem, you have it easy.

However, what disgusts me about Lost In Translation is that it centres on the lives of white people in a country where they are the minority, and it suggests that the social isolation that comes from being a minority is something that could only happen to white people.

This notion makes absolutely no sense, except to self-absorbed white people who are completely oblivious to their white privilege, to the point where being a minority in a non-white country only amplifies white navel-gazing, and leads to zero empathic recognition for the condition of people of colour in white-majority countries.

What about you? Did Complex remember your most hated racist flick, or do you have one to add to the list?

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Comments

  1. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    I haven’t seen “Lost in Translation” but I plan to check it out.

    I agree, “Adventures in Babysitting” is so unbelievably racist, I couldn’t believe it was released in 1987, but the 80s was known for many teen movies with offensive portrayals of Asians and Asian Americans.

  2. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    Ok I thought about the list and I wanted to throw it out there: INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM.

    Ugh. I felt ashamed and embarrased to be Indian for a long time after I first saw it on a VHS tape in 1989. The movie really FUCKED me up. I felt that Indians were filthy, inferior, primitive humans who liked to eat monkey brains and baby snakes, that we were all silly, brainwashed followers who’d fall to our knees on the floor and bow down to a statue of an evil god.

  3. Eisoj5 wrote:

    I hated Lost In Translation, still hate it, and will always hate it. “I’m in this complex and interesting environment(that I won’t bother to explore) because I’m famous and companies want me to advertise for them! Empathize with me and my ennui!”

    Bah.

  4. A.D. Nix wrote:

    ‘Crash.’ But maybe it’s too stupid to count.

  5. hasra wrote:

    interesting that they are very concerned with racism… and then they have a “girls gallery” underneath to display sexy pictures of hottie girls. The actual “cover stories” all all about boys.

  6. Val wrote:

    I think, considering the huge number of racially offensive films, it would be easier to come up with a list of least offensive films.

    I will say however that if Birth Of A Nation or Gone With The Wind are left off of any list of racially offensive films then the list is problematic to say the least.

  7. Mike wrote:

    I was really surprised to find this article on Complex, but I really enjoyed it! They normally don’t look at these sorts of issues… at all. But this list was very insightful.

    It really kills me when people say “it’s just a movie,” because they miss the point of what each movie represents: larger patterns of racism and bias, in the media and society, that feed back on each other.

    My friend was complaining about the characterization of Hiro on HEROES and a Caucasian woman was shocked. She basically said she’d never even IMAGINED they might portray an Asian male as masculine.

    She wasn’t AGAINST such a portrayal, it had simply never occurred to her that an alternative to the desexualized Asian male could exist.

  8. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Val

    I think the reason why Gone with the Wind and Birth of a Nation are not on this list is because it is a list of movies “you didn’t think were racist.” As well it is focused on movies since the 60’s (http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/01/26/the-50-most-racist-movies-you-didnt-think-were-racist/)

    I think they veer off their own criteria a bit in that some of these movies *are* obviously racist, but perhaps if they are playing to a liberal but non-anti-racist audience, it would be surprising to hear that a film like Sixteen Candles or Breakfast at Tiffany’s is racist.

    In any case, I think that’s why some of the racist shockers like Birth of a Nation aren’t on there.

  9. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Val
    I don’t think they pass the “You didn’t know were racist” test for most people – even people who could care less about cinematic racism know those films have been controversial for a while. Though I feel like “Breakfast at Tiffany’s”, while still very ‘beloved’ is getting there.

  10. Phil Deeze wrote:

    Of course, the “savior” in “Adventures in Babysitting” is the guy that looks like Thor. LOL.

    What city was that supposed to be in? Chicago, right?

  11. Aristo wrote:

    I’m actually pretty interested in the movie White Dog now–the actual entry on it in the list seems pretty void of any information aside from “The dog was trained to attack black people! Wow! Sensationalism!”, but the comments and a quick skim of the wikipedia article suggest that it’s actually a movie trying to deal with/combat racism.

    So now I’ll have to get it at a library and see for myself how good of a job it does.

  12. Val wrote:

    @Thea

    Okay, got it. Thanks.

  13. inkst wrote:

    That was awesome. Very enjoyable. I LOVE the fact that they called out Scarface in particular. Many of those movies were deemed crap by both audiences and critics, but Scarface is constantly slathered with praise when it is really effing racist.

    Movie I would add to this list? Glory (civil war movie with Denzel and Matthew Broderick). Critically acclaimed, but chock full of every stereotypical black stock character imaginable. Denzel is angry black. Morgan Freeman is… Morgan Freeman. One dude is an Uncle Tom. Another is a bumbling, always loyal, loveable sidekick. And who leads them all? A white guy. Racist in the worst way because it’s supposed to be some sort of story of “unification.” Bleh!

  14. inkst wrote:

    Oh @ DIMA: totally with you on the Temple of Doom thing. My dad is Indian and I grew up in a very white little town. I always had conflicting feelings about that movie as I loved Indiana Jones as a kid, but constantly got asked questions like, “Do Indians really eat bugs and monkey brains?” “Does your dad eat that stuff?” “Are there really people in India who will rip your heart out?”

    Fuck you. My dad’s a vegetarian, and… oh yeah. Fuck you again.

  15. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    Val:

    how many young people today have seen “Birth of a Nation” or “Gone with the Wind”? Probably not too many.

    These movies might be historically and culturally relevant, but today, teenagers and young adults just don’t care about ‘em, while 1980s iconic movies are much more important (16 Candles, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom).

  16. Thea Lim wrote:

    @Phil Deeze

    I think it’s supposed to be Chicago, but it was actually filmed in my hometown, Toronto! Incidentally the location for the “scary blues bar full of scary black people” was a bar where I worked!

  17. Eva wrote:

    I with they included ” Lost in Translation” because to me not only was it racist, it was AWFUL. In the end I didn’t care about either character.

    I wish they’d included “Enchanted” for the scene with the black, female bus driver who (of course) is dark skinned, loud and overweight AND manages to throw a grown man over her bus.

    @inkst: I see your point about Glory, however it is based on a true story; the captain or lieutenant was a white man.

  18. Eva wrote:

    @Mike:

    I really do agree with this. These movies are seen by millions of people, many of those people have little or no contact with POC and see what is on screen maybe an exaggeration, but one with some grain of truth. How does this impact on real life? Try being on a job and somebody’s purse gets stolen, there will be some people who will look at the lone black or Hispanic person sitting in the office, wondering, “I wonder if someone she knows did this.”

  19. Lola wrote:

    I tried to watch Lost in Translation, it was extremely boring so I changed the Chanel. I remember noticing the movies in Adventures in Babysitting which is racist just like most of the teen movies from that time period.

  20. inkst wrote:

    @Eva, it’s not the simple fact that it was a white lieutenant (wouldn’t have been very historically accurate to have a black officer), but the story is really about him and his redemption through working with the black soldiers and dying with them. He becomes the only character (maybe the other white dude too, haven’t seen it in a while) who is fleshed out. Denzel and Morgan Freeman sort of get some depth, but there’s not really much going on there, and ultimately, they are there to teach the white officer his life lessons. “Based on a true story” does not dictate the perspective or character arcs in a movie. That part is entirely engineered by the film makers.

  21. Lola wrote:

    RE: Glory, I’m annoyed that the story was centered around the white male characters. Yes it is based on a true story but the story could have been told from the point of view of one of the black characters. I mostly watch it for Denzle and for them singing around the camp fire.

  22. Persia wrote:

    I’m pleased to see Bottle Rocket on there. WTF was that movie. And Temple of Doom is just…yuck.

    I felt like Lost in Translation was more about two people’s alienation from themselves and humanity in general than from the country they were in when I first watched it, and I retain a certain level of affection for it, but wow is it problematic.

  23. vcious wrote:

    I have always hated Lost in Translation, though when I saw it my criticisms boiled down to “You’re in one of the biggest metropolitan cities in the world with every entertainment available to you! Go out and stop angsting in the damn hotel!”.

    I was just thinking that if you reverse the situation – a Japanese younger woman and older male in a fancy Manhattan hotel, feeling alienated – that might actually make for a more interesting movie. But the switch-around might also make some people consider the ridiculousness of the set-up. Not sure.

    Gotta say some choices I very well knew were racist, like The Love Guru. Gremlins was a “oh, really?” pick for me, though.

  24. Thom wrote:

    Interestingly, some of the films on the list were trying to be well intentioned… they just pretty much failed…afterall, Soul Man’s big reveal is when Howell realizes his scheme cost Chong a scholarship… and he realizes how wrong he was… as an aside, I believe Howell’s character “overdoses” on “tanning” pills, instead of passing for black with makeup, which is why noone suspects anything. Which makes black face…you know… okay. (roll of the eyes)

  25. Val wrote:

    @A.D. Nix

    You’re right and you’re also right about Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

    @DIMA

    That’s true especially about all of those 80’s films considering their popularity even today.

  26. vcious wrote:

    This just occurred to me; I haven’t seen Sixteen Candles but according to that article it portrayed an Asian kid in a horrifically racist way. Weirdly enough, I remember John Cho’s character in Harold&Kumar (the first film) relating to Maria, the girl he crushes, about the fact they both love that movie. Scripting mess up?

  27. TheVancouverManifesto wrote:

    love love LOVE this site

  28. queerhapa wrote:

    I feel so validated that other people had issues with Lost In Translation! Even my Asian friends and family members accused me of being “oversensitive” when I said it was racist.

  29. A.D. Nix wrote:

    I feel like maybe ‘A Time to Kill’ should be on the list. Crooked-ish black church clergy, slick NAACP lawyer, wily good ole boy white lawyer, no one is REALLY racist but Keifer Sutherland’s Klan Krew, “imagine she’s white” and everyone is like “Ooooh, ok. Justice.”

    @ Lola
    FYI – my friend and I used to hum that song whenever the other was telling a “And then things got racist!” story. It also works as a response if someone asks how your day was and it . . . wasn’t good.

  30. Colin B wrote:

    @vcious

    I think if Lost in Translation (LiT) was done the other way around, it’d have to be carefully done. It would probably trigger white supremacist understandings of Japanese people all over again instead of being an angsty, “I don’t know where I am” exploration of a film.

  31. inkst wrote:

    @vcious: I also raised an eyebrow at Gremlins. I loved that movie as a kid and even the last time I saw it a few years back, I thought it was hilarious camp. Not denying that it could be interpreted as racist, but that was the one I was the most confused about.

  32. Mickey wrote:

    I remember “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” being controversial because of the violence in the film (my dad made me close my eyes when the villian ripped out the other guy’s heart), but it was as an adult I discovered that the movie was actually banned in India at one point due to its racist portrayals of Indians and Hinduism.

  33. Phil wrote:

    It never occurred to me that Temple of Doom was racist. After all, I know Indians and of course I know Indian food. But when my wife, (who is from Thailand) said that she thought Indians actually ate monkey brains, I thought-you know, maybe it’s true, someone is going to think this is real. Too bad because I really like the first part of the movie and the action sequences at the end.

  34. Thea Lim wrote:

    @vcious

    Asian American graphic novelist Adrian Tomine has a great strip about the racist portrayal in Sixteen Candles: http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2008/mar/in_character/donger_1.html

    Funny, I watched that movie for the first time a few years ago with some white friends, for whom it was a classic…I was like WTF is this? Awkward! They all didn’t remember it being so racist, which is the reaction I had to Adventures in Babysitting.

    Incidentally Sixteen Candles is also quite xenophobic – apart from the Long Duk Dong bit, they keep on referring to the main character’s sister’s bf as a “bohunk”.

  35. Irene M. wrote:

    I am really happy to see “Blackhawk Down” on that list. With most movies, I usually either see the racism coming or am watching it with someone who also recognizes the racism. The vicious nameless Somalians + a refusal to show or discuss any non-US context including the Colonial history of the region just blindsided me. Plus, until now, I’ve yet to meet another person who shared my opinion. So, yeah for Complex Magazine.

  36. Phrone wrote:

    Oh god, I HATED Lost in Translation and I was never able to articulate why at the time. But the fact that they made an entire nation just a backdrop for two white character’s existential dilemma was very insulting. None of the Japanese characters were actually people, they were just meant to be “different” and “exotic”.

  37. Gem wrote:

    I disagree with Me, Myself, and Irene’s inclusion. I didn’t get the impression that “Hey, blacks can’t be smart AND hood!” I just thought it was funny because that hasn’t really been featured before. Maybe I’m dense.

  38. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    Like other people here, I was surprised (and puzzled) to see Gremlins on the list…

  39. Emilee wrote:

    I was babysitting the other day and we sat down to watch an animated movie called Monster House (probably less than 5 years old – the 11 year old said they saw it in the movie theater when it first came out). There was one black character. This character was a young police officer second and a bumbling idiot first. Luckily, his partner – a middle aged white man – was there to be the voice of reason.

    Also, fat people are evil and will kill neighborhood children.

    All around awful.

  40. jen* wrote:

    ok, Thea…what’s a bohunk?

    I wanna go see this list – but I can’t while I’m at work…so I wonder if any of my childhood faves are on it. I’ll have to check later.

    As for Glory, I loved the movie because of the parts with just the soldiers. I never have really been into Broderick.

  41. T wrote:

    I enjoyed the list. The thing that got me though, was how under each movie there was a big button “click here to buy”…

    SO, maybe you didnt know the movie was racist, but now you do, and if you want to support that, Here Ya Go!

    Anybody else think that is weird/ is there some kind of legal issue I’m not getting?

  42. Heather Leila wrote:

    Ok, maybe I’m the only one, but I’m finding it easier to understand Gremlins being racist than Lost in Translation.

    Gizmo was bought/stolen from the old, wise, bearded Chinese man by the white kid’s dad as a gift, just because it was cool. And, like all things Asian and mystical, Gizmo came with a terrible secret – Gremlins. There were also references to Vietnam as one Vet character with PTSD made remarks about Jap cars being full of Gremlins (I think even prior to the Gremlins actually emerging in the story) and when harassed by the monsters, I think we’re supposed to interpret his actions as being sparked by memories of Vietnam.

    Remember, Gremlins was made in the early 80’s, not too long after the end of the war. It was on everyone’s mind. And, it was a time when US automakers were in real competition with Japan.

    That’s a messed up way to use collective memory of Asian relations in the US.

  43. Brandon wrote:

    I see the problems with Glory, but I’d rather have it lumped into a category. “Movies That Should be about P.O.C. but for Some Reason Are about White People.” This would include almost any movie about slavery or civil rights. Throw in recent sports movies about race, too. The Blind Side and Avatar qualify as our most recent examples, yes?

    But a movie I’d like to see on the list is Friday Night Lights. I probably have to go back and read the book, but I thought that the portrayal of Permian’s opponent in the championship game was completely racialized. It really bothered me.

  44. Matt Pizzuti wrote:

    I would really love to see some examples of films and stories in which race was handled well.

    One thing that seems exceedingly difficult to me: portraying a story in which white characters have racist attitudes, but the story is not seen as the author’s endorsement of such views.

    When school teachers want to address race, they often turn to books like To Kill a Mockingbird as an example of a white person doing the right thing when it comes to race. But growing up with stories like that gives us white people the idea that all you have to do is stand against overt racism and segregation like Atticus Finch did, and your subtle or un-self-recognized racism is all forgiven.

    How do you portray whole and realistic characters, who are imperfect, and therefore your PoC characters are neither demons nor heroes, and your white characters are neither supremacist jerks nor completely free of racism?

    How do you do that WITHOUT endorsing or excusing the racism your white characters may have, and while ensuring that character flaws PoC characters have are not attributable to their race?

  45. MoonCat wrote:

    oh man, i hated lost in translation. i had the hardest time empathizing with either character and i couldn’t figure out why they refused to go out and have a great time in tokyo, which is easily one of the world’s most fun cities!

    i didn’t grow up with indiana jones but most of my friends watched it as children and so they love it. one time at a party, they decided to pop it in for fun and i saw it for the first time as an adult. it was incredibly uncomfortable. i’m glad other people think it’s offensive too so i’m not this lone mid-twenties chick who thinks everyone’s favorite childhood movie is really racist.

  46. Val wrote:

    I think Precious should be on it list. The colorism in that film was extreme. All of the dark-skin characters are evil or troubled and the light-skin or biracial characters are all good and helpful. The book (PUSH) was not like that at all.

  47. Mickey wrote:

    Another movie of not is “Aladdin”. When I worked for the Disney Store, a woman called and asked me about the change in the lyrics of the song to “Arabian Nights” on the VHS release due to the stereotypic nature of the original lyrics. I had no idea about it and asked a manager, who confirmed the change.

    And I also recall one of the Arab-American groups speaking out on the whitewashing of the main characters: Aladdin and Jasmine both looked “too white” for their tastes yet the villian, Jafar, is clearly Arab-looking.

  48. Bao Phi wrote:

    Thanks for posting – this as well as the older link to the critique of Wes Anderson.

  49. Afro-chan wrote:

    Any movie dealing with Asia was and is racist. It hasn’t changed and I don’t think it will for a long time. As a child I noticed that Big Trouble…Gremlins and such movies always had the mystical Chinese dude with long fingernails. I asked my parents about that and they tried to clue me in. As an adult I understand why they wouldn’t take me to the movie theaters!

    Oh, and to comment on the last point:

    “However, what disgusts me about Lost In Translation is that it centres on the lives of white people in a country where they are the minority, and it suggests that the social isolation that comes from being a minority is something that could only happen to white people.”

    A to the men! It makes my blood boil whenever a white person says to me, “People (of color) in America don’t know what discrimination is like until they come to Japan.” As a black woman in Japan my response is SSDC (Same S*** Different Country). Truthfully I experience more discrimination from other native English speakers than I do from Japanese people.

  50. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ T

    Geez, I didn’t even notice that. The impression I get is that Complex is a much more mainstream commercial magazine. I was pleasantly surprised to see this article because it doesn’t seem like a super anti-racist mag (though they did publish a great interview with Zoe Saldana awhile ago). I imagine that’s why they have “buy this now” buttons, but that’s too bad.

    Unfortunately not everyone can be as ascetic as we are at Racialicious… :)

    @jen*
    From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bohunk:
    “Originally a rather offensive racial slur describing those of Bohemian descent, now “bohunk” can refer to most any Catholic Slavic immigrant (though it’s still offensive).
    Greasy bohunks are taking all our jobs away!”

  51. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Sorry if these movies were already included in the Complex list but one movie (and its sequels) that I would include (despite my love for it growing up) is The Karate Kid. You have a wise old Asian man teaching martial arts to a lanky little white kid, who goes on to kick his opponents butt big time. Now that I ‘m older I think Part 2 was more problematic because it showed said white kid kicking the Japanese kid’s butt (after learning the secret to the mystical drum beats played by the audience) all the while winning the heart of the docile Japanese girl. Oh yeah and of course they added on the scene showing how US troops occupy Japan, projecting American hegemony even in a movie about martial arts. I don’t even remember the storyline to Part 3 (it was so bad) and I never watched the story with Hilary Swank’s character. Interestingly they’re restarting the franchise again soon with the main character being a young black kid learning martial arts in China (wonder how that’ll turn out).
    Another movie I thought was pretty racist (which wasn’t very popular) was The Emerald Forest. It’s another one of those movies with a feel good environmentalist message told from the perspective of the white main character. An American family visiting Brazil loses their young son (who had blond hair and emerald green eyes so you know he would stand out) in the rainforest (or something like that don’t remember since it’s been so long). They finally find out he’s alive and well and all grown up living with a native tribe of the forest (who of course all serve as faceless background colors). The story goes on to show how the white kid saves the forest (with the help of his friends of course). Despite its proenvironmental message I was turned off by how they had the white man save the forest and the “primitive folks” living within it.

  52. merq wrote:

    Thea,

    Glad you enjoyed it. Mra = merq. Guess I assumed Latoya would be reading that email, so I didn’t bother to sign it.

  53. RCHOUDH wrote:

    After finally seeing all the picks (which I liked) I would add two more:
    Taken: which shows how young white American virgins are “most in danger” of falling victims to international sex trafficking at the hands of Albanian pimps and Arab johns.

    300: The Greek are the manliest warriors that ever manned and the Persians…are simply freaks of nature. Oh yeah and Frank Miller is freakin’ racist douchebag and proud of it!

  54. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Oh yeah and I’m surprised they didn’t include more Disney romances besides Aladdin. I found Pocahontas to be racially problematic what with having her quickly fall in love with one of her land’s invaders and then the song sung by both the Indians and British portraying the other as being “savages” as though both their actions are on an equal level.

    Mulan was also problematic with the way it portrayed the Mongolian invaders as being ugly and menacing and how one of its songs (that’s sung while Mulan is being dressed up for the matchmaker) uses “stereotypical” Chinese music. And also after the potential brides are dressed up they reminded me alot of how Japanese women were depicted in those old Japanese wood carvings (I don’t know if China has any similar artwork and if not then depicting the Chinese women as looking Japanese brings in the whole “all Asians look alike” meme.

  55. Mickey wrote:

    “And also after the potential brides are dressed up they reminded me alot of how Japanese women were depicted in those old Japanese wood carvings (I don’t know if China has any similar artwork and if not then depicting the Chinese women as looking Japanese brings in the whole “all Asians look alike” meme.”

    And that reminds me of “Memoirs of a Geisha”, where there was some uproar about Chinese actresses portraying Japanese geishas. I did not see the movie in its entirety so I can’t comment on anything else that would be possibly racist other than the “all Asians look alike” meme.

  56. JBH wrote:

    Man – so many comments, so little time:-)

    About “lost in translation” – I’m gonna have to watch it again, ’cause as a mixed-japanese-american who lived in Japan for twelve years, I could relate a lot to some of the challenges trying to communicate in Japan. But, then again, when i watched it here in the States, I WASN’T “lost” in translation.

    I also agree about Memoirs of a Geisha (see my post:
    http://adoptionfusion.blogspot.com/2009/07/finding-perfect-match.html)
    I was totally offended that they chose Chinese actresses to portray Japanese women. Sheesh.

    And don’t get me started on Disney, either. I must admit, I’m addicted to their movies, but hate the simple stereotyping. I use them as teaching tools to raise awareness about stereotypes by asking questions to my kids while the movie is playing. Make them think twice about how they characters are portrayed.

  57. Moni wrote:

    Did Couple’s Retreat make the list? In the first few scenes they show a black guy with bad credit trying to to impress his “ghetto” girlfriend by buying a flashy motorcycle…why guy friend (Vince Vaughn) tries to be the voice of reason, but black guy won’t listen. I actually had to stop the video and scream out loud, “what da hell?” It just went downhill from there…not to mention the UK promotional poster scandal….

  58. napthia9 wrote:

    You said it all about Taken, RCHOUDH. I’m completely surprised it didn’t show up on that list. The sexism and racism was horrifyingly blatant in it.

    As for Disney films… Thumbelina, anyone?

  59. Emmeaki wrote:

    I liked the movie Soul Man when it came out…ok, I was only 12 0r 13!

    I’m black and what’s funny is that all my white friends thought that C. Thomas Howell REALLY looked black, while me and all my black friends were like, “get the f outta here!”

  60. Invasian wrote:

    “Team America: World Police” should be on there.

    I like the “Every Rob Schneider movie” entry.

  61. Zahra wrote:

    @ Matt

    Yours is the million-dollar question. I second your request for a list (or discussion) of films that tackle race well.

    FWIW I thought Cadillac Records did a good job of presenting Leonard Chess as a white less overtly racist than many of his contemporaries, while still critiquing him for his deeply paternalistic treatment of the black musicians signed to his label. (Alas, the invented romance between him and Etta James was just embarrassing to watch.)

    @RCHOUDH

    I am also very curious about the remake of The Karate Kid with Jaden Pinkett-Smith starring. The swapping of Japanese for Chinese culture has me a bit perplexed. Why is the film called The Karate Kid when it’s about kung fu?

    The trailer thus far seems to be continuing the docile Asian girlfriend trend, while adding a xenophobic Chinese bully.

  62. Zahra wrote:

    How much do I love that this film includes 21 and Dragonball and Scarface and others for their racelifting ways?

  63. miga wrote:

    @RCHOUDH-
    Actually, because Japanese culture was largely adapted from Chinese and Korean culture there’s a pretty good chance the fashions might have been similar at that time. Chinese culture was very much in vogue for the Japanese for centuries. Also, in ancient artwork the artists weren’t so much concerned with facial features as the clothes and positions of the females, so in the artwork all the women actually DID look the same. I doubt Disney really thought about all this though.

    Secondly: Animal House. Made me sooo angry. “ooh, I like black people when they play my music and are vastly outnumbered by me and my jerk friends, but I’m so terrified and abused when I walk into an all-black club. EEEP! They want to kill us and take our women!”

  64. Ain't I an African wrote:

    The Constant Gardener! It perpetuates stereotypes that we are so tired of seeing. White heroes and heroines; evil corrupt black politicians; suffering black populations dying of AIDS and malaria etcetera, etcetera. The only black person who is not dying of disease or a greedy, immoral politician is a European-educated doctor who, if memory serves me correctly, was actually adopted.

  65. XB wrote:

    @ RCHOUDH-

    300: The Greek are the manliest warriors that ever manned and the Persians…are simply freaks of nature. Oh yeah and Frank Miller is freakin’ racist douchebag and proud of it!

    Now I’ll have to agree with you that his has some racial issue with people of arabic decesent , Frank Millar to his partial credit has tackled the issue of Racism & the white european standard of beauty with his black character esther in Sin City (the third graphic novel) and He also created one the greatest african american Female comic leads of all time In his Martha Washigton Series(which also tackles racism & urban plight)

  66. RCHOUDH wrote:

    @Zahra

    Good point about them retaining the name “Karate Kid” when the kid’s really learning Kung Fu in China. And that trailer doesn’t bode well for them if it shows them continuing racial stereotypes.

    @Miga
    Yeah I figured there would be similarities but I wouldn’t credit Disney for knowing these nuances. There were other instances of racism inMulan, such as having Mulan having a boyish petite body, which Asian women are stereotyped as having (I know they’ll use the excuse that Mulan’s pretending to be a man warrants her body type, but what with the bulky armor she wears was it really still necessary for her body to look like that?) and Mu Shu the dragon.

    I just thought of another racially problematic Disney film: Tarzan. Since it takes place somewhere in Africa isn’t it strange that Tarzan and his group never come in contact with native Africans? I thought the original story Tarzan did have him encountering native African tribes at one point. So I think it’s relevant to state that the absence of POC (in a setting where they should be found) is just as problematic as their presence as window dressing (like Lost in Translation, the Darjeeling limited, etc).

  67. Nathalie wrote:

    I didn’t know most of these movies, but I totally agree with the ones I saw… Why they bother for misrepresentations is beyond me, and the movie flops anyway.

  68. Olivia wrote:

    I abhor Lost In Translation. Regardless of what they say about Gremlins I love it nonetheless. Same with Me, Myself and Irene, funny shit right there. Pulp Fiction… did we really need telling lol. I like Billy Madison, but yeah, quite stereotypical there. Driving Miss Daisy DUH. Bringing Down the House too obvious. Ace Ventura 2… yeah, but I still like it. Again, Green Mile DUH.

  69. miga wrote:

    @RCHOUDH: I read the original Tarzan of the Apes in high school, after pondering that same question. Trust me- the fact that they didn’t stick close to the book AT ALL and include anyone dark-skinned was a blessing. That book ranks up there with Birth of a Nation and Heart of Darkness, it’s so bad. You name it- racism, classism, sexism, speciesism (is that a word?) xenophobia (even though the whites are the foreigners here), ageism, ableism- the list goes on. Actually, that book was so problematic the fact they made that movie at all is strange.

  70. Invasian wrote:

    Don’t forget about “North.” That movie is chock-full of lazy, condescending stereotypes.

  71. fromthetropics wrote:

    Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my goshhhh. Lost in Translation makes me angry. Like, is that all you wanted to say? That living in a foreign country is tough? That’s it??? No duh it’s tough.

    …sorry, had to rant. As for the others on the list…I’ve hardly seen any.

  72. Mary wrote:

    What’s sad about Big Trouble In Little China is that there are some elements that would be progressive/subversive if they were seen in almost any other movie (Wang and Jack are more or less equal buddies, Wang and his (Asian) girlfriend deeply love each other and there’s no question that they belong together, Wang is a completely normal guy and even spoofs the “mystical Asian” trope a few times with clueless white guy Jack frequently the butt of the joke). Plus, you have the secondary couple Eddie and Margo (Asian guy and white woman) whose obvious attraction is treated completely matter-of-factly.

    This is NOT a defense of the movie… more like it would be nice if these kinds of things cropped up more often in stories that DON’T revolve around defeating a “Fu Manchu” stereotype. Like, it would be nice if we could see some positive/normal portrayals of PoC independently and on their own merits, not arising out of a need to “balance” a stereotypically villainous PoC.

  73. ladydai wrote:

    Well, after living in Italy for some time, I would have to add a few racist movies I have seen on SkyTV, that make black Americans look like idiots: Soul plane, and Madea,and Norbitt

    To people in the states, who know the culture, it may be funny. However, these movies are exported to other countries, where people aren’t exposed to black Americans.

  74. Restructure! wrote:

    @Thea: Thanks!

    @Everyone who watched Lost In Translation: Check out fromthetropics’ post, which fromthetropics linked already, but for the lazy people:

    For example, white students who come back to Australia after finishing an exchange program in Japan complain about minor inconveniences there; that leaves me thinking, ‘You’re complaining about that?’ One such student told a Japanese lecturer to go watch Lost in Translation because it oh-so-perfectly describes what it’s like living in Japan as a foreigner, as though she had just endured the most difficult thing at the hands of these Japanese beings.

    I heard about this. So I went and watched that movie, wondering what in the world the student meant. After watching it, my conclusion was: I don’t need to watch this movie to know how that feels — its portrayal of life as an outsider in a foreign country is the story of my life. And it’s a much milder version of the story of many migrant lives.

    Obviously, life in a foreign country is hard and everyone deserves to be cared for. But it’s hard to sympathize when white residents of Japan frame it as, ‘Oh-my-gosh, the Japanese people are sooo [insert negative adjective], and oh-my-gosh, our struggles are oh-so-unique and difficult.’ It’s hard to sympathize when they have little understanding of how many more foreigners, migrants, and POCs in their own country go through it too, often in much harder circumstances. Tell me your experience and I’ll empathize, but don’t try to ‘educate’ me about it because I already know.

  75. Juan wrote:

    among that list I’m so glad that “Every Rob Schneider Movie” got its own number.

  76. GeeLennox wrote:

    Surprised none of the “The Mummy” movies made the list.

  77. RCHOUDH wrote:

    @miga

    Thanks for pointing that out about Tarzan. Fortunately I never read the book just read somewhere else that Tarzan encounters “natives” at one point. Although you know how Disney likes to rewrite stories (from Little Mermaid on down) to take out the problematic aspects of the original story? I’m surprised they didn’t do that with Tarzan choosing instead to take the “natives” out altogether instead of rewriting the story so they are not given as problematic a portrayal as they were in the original (notice I didn’t say “no problematic portrayal” because we all know Disney is not very capable of doing that).

    @XB
    I still contend Miller is racist because it’s always possible for racists to be respectful towards one group while demonizing others. It’s like when someone in an interracial relationship with a member of one group likes to think he/she is not racist, all the while spewing racist vitriol against people belonging to other groups.

  78. Christie wrote:

    As a white person living in Japan, I hated Lost in Translation. It came across as a piece of insulting trash written and made by know-nothings, full of gross stereotypes. It was so bad that I kept wondering if it was somehow supposed to be criticizing those stereotypes, or criticizing the white people’s warped view of Japan, but I just couldn’t see that angle in the actual movie (though I dearly wished to find that angle somewhere as I hate to see trash). Perhaps it was popular because so few people in the target audience (residents of the U.S.?) have lived in Japan or know very much about Japan. Any white person who has lived in Japan and still liked the movie 1)probably didn’t live in Japan very long and/or 2)is advertising their idiocy if they say they liked it (in my opinion).

  79. Medusa wrote:

    Oh dear CHRIST. I just typed out a really lengthy response, but thank you shitty Ghana internet, it got deleted! (If it turns out it wasn’t deleted, please feel free to delete my second post.)

    @ Brandon: Have you seen The Man Who Came Back? That fits what you are talking about exactly. It’s a movie about the Reconstruction Era in America, but instead of, you know, focusing on what it was like for ex-slaves, it was all about how horrible it was for this one white guy. Seriously, what the hell?

    @ Afro chan: It’s funny that they say that. Pretty fucking hilarious, actually. As a black person who grew up in Japan, I had already experienced my fair share of it by the time I had moved to America. And to be honest, the racism I faced in Japan (and later, China, where white people also complain about being discriminated against, but not to the extent I hear white foreigners in Japan doing it), was MUCH MUCH MUCH less than what I went through in America at the hands of white people. I haven’t seen Lost in Translation, but at the review of all these Racialicious readers, I now know not to waste my time.
    (Seriously. They couldn’t figure out what to do in TOKYO?!??!)

    @ JBH? Really? I don’t see the problem with casting a member of one race to play a member of that same race. They are different nationalities and different ethnicities, yes, but it’s not like they cast a white person in her place. I didn’t even bother seeing that movie, though, since I loathed the book. I don’t see how this is offensive.

    @ Irene M: I HATED Black Hawk Down. Seriously, you set a movie in Somalia and make it all about how hard it is for white American soldiers? I mean, sure war sucks for pretty much everyone involved, but that war isn’t even ABOUT America…

    I can’t read the list now (again, thanks Ghana internet) but I hope to check it out some point.

  80. method wrote:

    Most of the movies on the list were reasonable picks. Bottle Rocket strikes me as a ridiculous pick, and their actual justification for why it’s on there is itself offensive: “the movie is so violently white that you know something fucked up is going on somewhere”. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Seriously, this is just a cheap and false way to buy an anti-racist pass.

    As for Lost in Translation, the movie is about two white Americans who are together for a few days in Japan. That’s not a priori an invalid or racist subject. The movie has an actual artistic progression to it that should be acceptable from an anti-racist point of view. The Japanese are portrayed as depthless, inscrutable and ridiculous in the early scenes because that’s all the characters are capable of observing. As they venture away from their hotel they get to meet real characters like Charlie Brown and they become less alienated from their surrounding. This is a consistent theme throughout the movie, with the Scarlett Johansen character learning to see the charming aspects of Japanese life (the kids playing arcade games, the karaoke scene, the traditional wedding), combined with the idea that there is a translation barrier that they can’t overcome in their short time there (which is also symbolic of the translation barrier they can’t overcome between their respective ages and life experiences). The conclusion of the movie is that it’s okay that they can’t “have it all” since the experiences they did have were good. If anything, this movie contains the laudable message that you shouldn’t try to “comprehend” the other, since this is impossible, but that you should learn to engage with the other in the ways that are available to you given cultural and temporal restraints.

  81. Lina wrote:

    I saw part of Adventure in Babysitting for the first time a couple of months ago. The way in which the black actors were portrayed in the movie instantly struck me. I realize the 80s weren’t exactly the years of racial enlightenment, but I was taken by how blatant the stereotyping was.

  82. Deb wrote:

    I just loved this list! So much to think about and discuss.

    I have to say, when I saw Lost in Translation, I thought it was incredibly tedious, but not really “about” Japan. The location heightened isolation of the main character, but the movie was about his disconnection from everything in life. I’m not expressing this very well, but it seemed to me that the depiction of Japanese culture was shallow because EVERYTHING about both characters was shallow and meaningless, and even this vibrant city was sucked into the void. The fact that the characters were culturally adrift just mirrored and reinforced their disconnection.

  83. Sean wrote:

    16.Thea Lim wrote:

    @Phil Deeze

    I think it’s supposed to be Chicago, but it was actually filmed in my hometown, Toronto! Incidentally the location for the “scary blues bar full of scary black people” was a bar where I worked

    I don’t mean to digress, but the late, legendary Albert “nobody leaves without singing the blues” Collins, was an incredibly sweet man in real-life. I found it ironic that they cast him and his band -along with the club and it’s patrons- as scary, menacing people from the wrong side of the tracks. I told him I played guitar and he was very encouraging to me. In fact, he was one of the people who confirmed for me that it was ok for me to play.

    Just thought I’d add a little perspective to the “intimidating, black, bluesman in the bar.”

  84. Persephone wrote:

    Does anyone else have a problem with the title of the article? To me, “Movies You Didn’t Know Were Racist” presumes a white “you,” and that kind of annoys me.

  85. B. Durbin wrote:

    Persephone: Yeah, it does imply that. But perhaps it also implies that only white people wouldn’t notice that they’re racist, which is a valid idea IMO.

  86. Shiyo wrote:

    I actually sort of liked Lost in Translation even though large parts were amazingly boring, considering how entertaining Tokyo can be. I’m Asian and I’ve seen movies with that theme of alienation and minority status with Chinese or Koreans in Japan or the U.S., so I guess I wasn’t too bothered seeing it the other way around, perhaps since those movies tend to be even more racist or at least culturally insensitive. Though that doesn’t excuse anything whatever the origins…

  87. Shiyo wrote:

    @#54 – The poem for Mulan was first written about a century before the Tang dynasty, which is when you have the long-sleeved, kimono-like dress. Japan took a lot of culture from the Tang dynasty (in fact there’s a perception that Taiwan and Japan have preserved Chinese traditions more strongly than the PRC today) so it’s not surprising that there’s some resemblance.

    I actually really liked the movie, mostly for the feminism. I agree there were a lot of problems with the way they depicted the Huns, though I suspect it may also have something to do with Disney’s portrayal of all bad guys as ugly and scary – the Chinese advisor doesn’t come off too well either, and neither do the guys who initially antagonize Mulan. Only the really good guys in Disney movies are “good-looking”.

    The most recent films I’ve seen that were overtly racist were Avatar and 300. I also have some issues with Slumdog Millionaire and with Precious.

  88. Zahra wrote:

    Does anyone else think the omission of Back to the Future from the list is odd? It’s admittedly been decades since I’ve seen it, but the combination of the Arab terrorist stereotype and the white-kid-invents-rock-and-roll-for-black-people plot really seem to deserve a mention. Especially given how many of the 80s teen flicks deservedly rate a mention.

  89. Tony wrote:

    I don’t think it’s necessarily a “white” viewer, just either

    A-Not the race of the movie that it’s racist against.

    or

    B-Not particularly paying attention to stereotypes and racial subtext (Which some folks of all races don’t)


    Also, I’ll note I’d seen the article before, and even commented on a few of the movies.

    As to the mini Frank Miller discussion.
    I am certainly not a Frank Miller fan, I love his work on Daredevil, and think pretty much everything he wrote since is varying shades of crap (YES I include DKR in that group)

    That being said, rememeber 300 has one of the SPARTANS narrating the battle, to inspire others to come combat the Persians.

    OF COURSE he (The Spartan) is not going to set things up where they are likable and multi-dimensional.

    It’s akin to having a Klansman talk about pre-Civil Rights era, nobody should take it as what really happened.

    That being said, Miller is absolutely sexist, as many comics fans have an observation (It can’t really be called a joke) that he cannot write a female character who is not a whore. (Usually literally)

  90. Bagelsan wrote:

    This was a great list (even though I haven’t seen many of these movies.) I’m glad they included The Last Samurai; it’s not the most aggregious offender but it’s one of my hugest movie pet peeves. I pretty much spent the entire movie spitting incoherent stuff about how Tom Cruise is *not* a *freaking* samurai! Samurai have some freaking standards! (Not always very *good* ones, but being a white dude from the middle of nowhere with no family or grasp of tradition probably doesn’t count!)

    As for the casting in Memoirs of a Geisha, I kinda thought that casting a Chinese woman as a Japanese woman was less offensive than the reverse might be. I hadn’t thought about it as an all-Asians-look-the-same issue so much as a which country-jerkishly-picked-on-which-most-recently issue … I’m not Chinese or Japanese, so maybe I’m totally off-base, though. :p

  91. Sean wrote:

    @ Zahara post #88

    If you thought that was bad, then hopefully you didn’t see the 80’s flick, Crossroads. The Ralph Maccio one, not the Britney Spears movie. In it, Macchio’s character is an aspiring blues musician who hobos with, and learns the music from an elderly, black mentor. The climax of the film involves a “who can play the blues better” battle between him and another white musician…worse yet, Maccio won the “blues battle” by playing a difficult classical piece. Ugh…

    In short.. it’s sort of like the Karate kid, only instead learning and mastering the ways of an elderly Asian mentor, he’s learning and mastering the ways of an elderly African-American.

    I’m waiting for the film to come out where a POC masters the ways of white privilige.

  92. Invasian wrote:

    Speaking of the inclusion of “The Last Samurai”

    http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=219442

  93. Phil Deeze wrote:

    @ Zahra:
    My Dad HATED the Michael-J.-Fox-invents-rock-and-roll part of “Back to the Future.” I was a kid back then and didn’t understand why until he explained it to me. “You see how Marty’s family is disappearing? That’s what happens to Chuck Berry’s musical style when Marty throws a pebble into the time/space continuum by stealing his music.” (Dad is a science fiction fan, so forgive him. LOL.)

    @ Sean:
    Thanks for the insight on the bluesmen in the bar in “Adventures in Babysitting” (AIB)

    @ Thea:
    As an adult, I lived in Chicago for awhile (South Side) and couldn’t help but notice the look on some white people’s faces when they would ask where we lived. You sort of wondered even if we DID live on the North Side, if that same white person that wrinkled up their nose would bother spending time with you, regardless. Chicago had an unpleasant memory for my wife. We lived in the DC Metro area with our young son for a year or two, moved to Chicago and came back to DC. Only in Chicago did more than three different white people walk up to her with our son in the stroller and say, “What a beautiful child, are you the nanny?” WTF?

  94. Joyce wrote:

    Gran Torino. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more complaints about this movie. It’s one of the most racist things I’ve ever seen in my entire life.

  95. Oaktown Girl wrote:

    Two movies that really pissed me off when I saw them years ago in the theatre were Parenthood and Earth Girls are Easy.

    Parenthood, ostensibly a celebration of the joys and struggle of parenting had exactly one representation of Black parenthood: a drug addicted single mother who couldn’t take care of her child (and if memory serves, the child was rescued by White people). In Earth Girls, the three male space aliens are covered in fur. The alien who is clearly a Black actor under the fur (Damon Wayans) just happens to have a natural ability for hip hop dancing. Gee, what a surprise.

    Oh, and now Parenthood is being adapted for TV, and the commercials promoting are on all the time. Nothing but White faces in those ads. Maybe at least the TV show will just ignore Black existence all together instead of treating us to the drug addicted Black folks who neglect their kids as the most representative depiction of Black family life.

    @88 Zahra:but the combination of the Arab terrorist stereotype and the white-kid-invents-rock-and-roll-for-black-people plot really seem to deserve a mention.

    I’ve never had the desire to watch any of those Back to the Future movies, and now I’m really, really glad I never wasted a minute on them. Thanks for the tip!

  96. Tony wrote:

    I had never thought about the Back to the Future the Rock n’ Roll thing.

    But the mention made me look it up.
    The movie has MJF go back to November 1955

    By that time, according to Wikipedia Chuck Berry had already released a top 10 single (Maybellene).

    Now, odds are the moviemakers weren’t bothering to pay attention to stuff like that.

    But it’s notable that while Marty was responsible for a bunch of white kids in that (relatively) small town were hearing Rock n’ Roll for the first time,, Chuck Berry still came first.

  97. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    I would like to add Clint Eastwood’s drama about the rise and fall of a woman boxer, Million Dollar Baby to the list of racist films.

    The main group that have their culture slandered in this film are White Appalachians.

    That is the ethnic background of Maggie Fitzgerald, the Hillary Swank character and, basically, her entire family are presented as foul, inbred, criminal minded welfare cheats

    Bbasically, every stereotype you ever see put on African Americans is put on them.

    Even worse is the portrayal of the Swank character’s opponent in the boxing match that is the film’s climax.

    “The Blue Bear”, played by real life biracial Dutch boxer Lucia Rijker, is presented in a really horrible way.

    We are told that the Rijker character is a former sex worker, a steroid user, an “East German” (and, therefore, a “communist”) and, worse yet, director/star Clint Eastwood had the character’s hair and makeup styled in such a way that we in the audience could clearly see her Black ancestry.

    And, of course, a Black communist prostitute on steroids is going to fight dirty and [Spoiler Alert if you haven't seen the movie] that’s exactly what Rijker’s character does, leading to Swank’s character becoming a paraplegic.

    Since, of course, a disabled life is a life not worth living, Eastwood’s character ends up “mercy killing” Swank’s character.

    All and all, this film was bigoted on a bunch of different levels.

  98. Paz wrote:

    Huh. I saw Lost in Translation when it first came out, and I thought of it as describing the isolation of tourists. I didn’t think of it as only a white thing. Because although it may be a fun city, Tokyo seems overwhelming. But it’s interesting to read the comments here and people’s different interpretation. It would definitely be interesting to see a movie about POC Americans in a foreign country. Can’t tell you the number of times people in other countries have told me, “But you don’t lookAmerican!”

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but The Heartbreak Kid with its portrayal of Mexico and Meet the Fockers with the sexy Cuban maid. Blergh.

  99. jen* wrote:

    thanx, Thea – I didn’t see the movie and so thought ‘bohunk’ was somehow related to ‘hunk’ (as in: hotboy, hottie, muscle-y cute guy). learn something new everyday…

  100. Luther Blissett wrote:

    I love that the dominant message here about *Lost in Translation* is that those stupid white people should have just been better tourists and gone out and enjoyed the wonders of Tokyo.

    Of course, no one mentions that neither of the protagonists wants to be in Tokyo. (The man is a has-been actor who only survives because the Japanese find him retro-cool. The girl is following a new husband who ignores her.) Neither of the protagonists is capable of enjoying him/herself anywhere. Neither knows who s/he is or what s/he wants from life. It’s only when they find each other, and some sense of shared situations, that they — wait for it — go out and enjoy the fun of Tokyo. But yeah, they should have been good tourists.

  101. Sharon Cullars wrote:

    As I’m reading through the comments, I’m listening to the theme from Baghdad Cafe (Calling You) and realizing that as much as I liked the ambiance of the movie, there were many troubling stereotypes in the movie, particularly the black harridan Brenda, who is the stereotypical loudmouth “Sapphire”. And then there was the black teenage father and the “fast” daughter. All of these characters were “redeemed” at the end by the visiting German woman who shows them how to be more “human.”

  102. Kitty wrote:

    @vcious – I’m pretty sure the Sixteen Candles reference in Harold and Kumar is a deliberate joke. I haven’t listened to the director’s commentary but I’ve read that it mentions this.

  103. TeakLipstickFiend wrote:

    Here’s an article that discusses the question “Is Lost in Translation” racist?
    http://www.arc.org/racewire/031112e_paik.html

  104. Miss. R. wrote:

    August Rush!
    SPOILER: White boy has a natural affinity with music, white boy charms black social worker. White boy meets up with black boy busker who can play the guitar and sing, but he is unable to draw a crowd and make money.

    Young white boy is taken to meet the busker’s ”carer” (modern day Fagan). All the kids in his care are POC, but it is this white genius who wins his heart because he is able to magically pick up a guitar and start playing and suddenly he starts to busk and draws a huge crowd and makes lots of money – black boy is jealous.

    BUT WAIT it’s not over. White boy runs away (due to problem) and seeks solace in a church of black folks. Sees young black girl singing amazingly well, he is taken in by her family and lo’ and behold he adds another instrument to his belt. The black girl’s father is so taken with this boy’s talent (not his daughter’s mind) that he just HAS to enroll him in some top-notch classical music institution; where the white boy ends up tutoring.

    All the while the black social worker is sooo invested in this little boy’s life.

    And the irony: in real life the black male busker and the young female singer are ACTUALLY playing and singing – it is what they do. Whilst the white male actor’s instrumental parts are played by somebody else. SHEEESH!!!

    Also as previously mentioned The Constant Gardener and any Hollywood film made about slavery (a.k.a how the white people saved black people cause none of them could do it for themselves!!!)…The one about Wilberforce was a joke!

  105. inkst wrote:

    @Thea

    I just read your Wes Anderson article. I have been a long time fan of his movies up through Royal Tenenbaums (didn’t like Life Aquatic or Darjeeling at all) but… sigh… You’re right. Just plain correct.

  106. BillytheKidd wrote:

    However,

    Seeing how some people defend racially problematic movies like 300 is interesting cause they don’t realize that the fact movies like that get made is indicative of the racial climate in America itself.
    Sure, in another context 300 might not be so racist however as it is in this day and age, I put this film up there with Birth of a Nation. It went beyond simple racial stereotyping.

    In contrast, on the Complex message board u see readers declaring movies like “Falling Down” as not racist (most by citing how he killed the Neo-Nazi. The irony is lost on them)and you realze how simply calling some movies “racist” because of how minoriites are portrayed is simplistic and unproductive.
    What the whtie folks didn’t get was Falling Down was about race and much more. The racial “subtext” was obvious from the movie poster on down but not a simply us vs. them or POC vs. white dynamic. It was about what America was/is supposed to represent for some people and how that representation no longer works.
    So in this case and many others I think both those accusing the film of racism and those denying such racism are misguided.

  107. Phil Deeze wrote:

    @ Miss R.
    “August Rush” made my head hurt. Just SO syrupy sweet, SO didactic and SO racially insulting that I picked up on every point you made, but you put it into a words so well.
    It’s like everyone of color in this movie darn-near revolved around the little homeless white kid with talent that the Fagan character KNEW, the minute he saw him, that he could put a white kid in the subway or the park playing licks on a guitar that he could make a boat-load of money. Barf.

  108. CVT wrote:

    @ Sean -
    “I’m waiting for the film to come out where a POC masters the ways of white privilige.”

    Cracked me the f– up. Well said.

  109. Sydneysider wrote:

    I’d like to add “All James Bond movies” – some of the worst stereotypes ever, and sexist throughout.

  110. Christie wrote:

    @TeakLipstickFiend -
    Thanks for the link to the L0st in Translation article – it was interesting!

    My main problem (besides all that is found in that article) was that the Japan and Japanese people portrayed were almost completely unrecognizable to me from my actual life here (I’ve been here for 13 years). Instead, they seemed to be a mish-mash of tired stereotypes and exaggerated, insulting, cartoonish depictions as are loved by the Western Media.

    It was not made clear that the portrayal was extremely unrealistic. Anyone watching the movie (and having been exposed to media representations of Japan) could easily think that it was a reasonable representation of Japan and Japanese people.

    A movie I remember as being more realistic was Mr. Baseball. Probably there were some problematic aspects, but many parts of it seemed fairly sympathetic and realistic. Or, better yet, just watch a Japanese movie… a good one recently was Departures (Japanese title Okuribito) – probably available in the U.S., with subtitles.

  111. Tony wrote:

    @BillytheKidd

    “Seeing how some people defend racially problematic movies like 300 is interesting cause they don’t realize that the fact movies like that get made is indicative of the racial climate in America itself.
    Sure, in another context 300 might not be so racist however as it is in this day and age, I put this film up there with Birth of a Nation. It went beyond simple racial stereotyping.”

    I have a problem with this.

    One can say a racist climate helped the movie get adapted, but to say the movie is equal to Birth of a Nation?

    BoaN = “Hey. Blacks are all really evil. And Biracial people are ESPECIALLY evil cause they have intelligence from white genes”

    That is not presented as someones STORY, it is presented as FACT.

    300 was framed as a story of a soldier trying to rally troops, it’s not fact.

    Of course, I also disagree with the idea of “The Atmosphere”

    To me, something is either racist or it isn’t, the level isn’t changed by the current atmosphere.

    Not denying 300 is racist (because the character telling the tale is racist), but I’m denying that it’s equivalent to (or even in remotely the same ballpark as) BoaN.

  112. myke wrote:

    In doing recent Asian studies, I watched GREMLINS and could not believe the anti-japanese/go usa sentiment that eluded me as a child.

  113. Sophist wrote:

    Maybe I’m just being dumb, but how is casting Chinese actresses in Japanese roles different than, say, casting Irish-American/Australian actor Mel Gibson as Scottish character William Wallace? True, not all Asians or all Europeans look the same, but many can pass as a member of closely related ethnic groups. I realize that there is racist history of people thinking all Asians look alike, but it doesn’t follow that not checking a persons pedigree to make sure they’re the exact same ethnicity as the character is the way to counteract that.

  114. Reiter wrote:

    @ Sean -
    “I’m waiting for the film to come out where a POC masters the ways of white privilege.”

    Haha, actually, they did make a movie about this! Eddie Murphy, Dan Akyroyd, and Jamie Lee Curtis in Trading Places. As problematic as that movie was, I still find it funny even today.

  115. Lady Di wrote:

    I would like to nominate “Gone Baby Gone” because that film irked me with its White privilege hypocrisy.

  116. HalleBerry wrote:

    Another thing about ‘Million Dollar Baby’ it KILLS me that the Morgan Freeman character is all just shrugs and forgiveness when a white character calls him the n-word yet when the same guy is getting beaten up by a black fighter at the gym because he wasn’t quite as ‘forgiving’ Morgan steps in to help the bigoted white guy WHAT THE FRACK?!!

  117. HalleBerry wrote:

    And I forgot ‘Priscilla Queen of the Desert’ which not only features a typically ‘bug-eyed’,loud,crazy Asian woman who screams for no reason and her white husband only married her because he was drunk and she manipulated him but the ‘drag queens’ are verrrrry racist towards the Aborigines yet have NO qualms about taking their help when their trailer breaks down in the desert

  118. Little Bee wrote:

    I just saw The Wedding Planner earlier tonight with some girlfriends thinking it would be traditional chick flick fare. How wrong I was. While it was certainly very cliched, there was some super shady racialization happening.

    So to start, Jennifer Lopez is cast as Italian, but essentially is considered to be white throughout the movie b/c she is contrasted with another more “authentic” Italian character by the name of “Massimo” who has just arrived from Italy. Her father has asked Massimo to marry Lopez b/c he doesn’t want his daughter to die alone or some bs, and so Massimo enters to provide some comic relief as the bumbling buffoon. He speaks in broken English with an accent, doesn’t appear to have any interests/employment prospects aside from making doe eyes at Lopez and emphasizes gender roles (as any “traditional” Italian would do according to the writers). He’s a walking stereotype and is depicted as a joke next to the white protagonist Lopez loves.

    Speaking of stereotypes, this movie is chalk full of them. There’s a terrible taxi driver who nearly runs over Lopez and of course he’s an Asian guy b/c everyone knows Asians are bad drivers. Later on, the lead white guy even takes the driver’s seat away from the Asian driver to manoeuvre the car more skillfully.

    There are very few other actors of colour in this movie and when they do appear on screen they’re reduced to accessories in minimal roles. They also tend to be working class individuals (i.e. security guards- also every security guard in this movie is black, which is strange) in comparison to the white, wealthy professionals in the movie.

    One line that rubbed me the wrong way was when the wealthy white boss of Lopez snaps at the ethnic florist bringing her flowers in, blurting out, “If you add another carnation to this arrangement I will have you deported!” Seriously, what the hell.

    Also, I’m sure that if I was to rewatch any number of movies from my tweens (this movie is from 9 yrs ago) they would probs. all have their share of racist moments/imagery/characters. Ick.

  119. chana wrote:

    short circuit.
    i mean, i love johnny 5 [he looks like wall*e's dad], but latinos as gangsters [of course], and the fact that Fisher Stevens plays an Indian man. with a thick Indian accent. he’s the sidekick of course, because he’s the nerdy Indian guy… and he’s a super duper white guy. i forgot about it til i re-watched it a couple of weeks ago.

    zorro.
    i was so happy to see a beautiful latina [whether she was actually Mexican or not i wasn't sure of] up on the big screen- then i found out she was white. ugh. what a disappointment… and how anthony hopkins played a Mexican is beyond me. the fact that antonio banderas isn’t mexican didn’t really bother me, b/c he comes from a spanich-speaking country i guess. i don’t care if you’re Cuban playing Honduran, or Ecuadorian playing a Spaniard- as long as I see my people, ANY one of them, up on a screen.

    there are more, but i’m too tired to write anymore. there’s not enough room on this site for me to enter all the movies that make me go hmm…

  120. chana wrote:

    oh, and i agree with jennifer lopez in the wedding planner. before she became really famous, she played Latina characters and even a Native American. after Selena, all her title characters have been white or Italian… and the only time she played a Latina, after her long line of movies, albums, perfumes, and fame- she plays a frikkin [chamber]maid in Maid in Manhattan. wtf. my feelings were actually hurt by that one.

  121. edc wrote:

    that last line about lost in translation is amazingly misguided.
    yes, being non japanese in japan is to be a minority.