When Racefail Meets Playboy: The John Mayer Interview

By Sexual Correspondent Andrea (AJ) Plaid

My gut-honest reaction to finding out singer John Mayer admits that he doesn’t romantically or sexually like Black women is like finding out Tom Cruise saying doesn’t dig us sistahs: I’m not shocked because I didn’t get that vibe from him.  Douchey John Mayers

Mayer’s highlighted history of dating the crowning White women of Hollywood, like yeah-folks-think-she’s-doornail-dumb-but-00000-her-blonde-hair-and-big-tits Jessica Simpson and always-wronged-Golden-Girl-by-Golden-Boy-Brad-Pitt-on-the-sexual-strength-of-coded-as-“colored”-superfreak-temptress-Angelina-Jolie Jennifer Aniston—along with Jennifer Love Hewitt and Friday Night Lights’ Minka Kelly, and gets-coded-as-White Cameron Diaz–just tipped me to his preference. And, no matter what I feel about/think about/hold a moral stance on racial preferences in dating, the unpleasantly hard reality is people seem to have them. Mayer, being human, really isn’t that different. That’s not a justification, mind y’all; that’s just my facing the facts about folks. I mean, I get it. I may not agree with it—I’m definitely more of the rainbow-dating-and-fucking kind–but I get it.

But did Mayer have go into full racefail about his preferences—and in Playboy no less? (Warning: this and the very next link are NSFW.)

Hold that thought.

Mr. Wonderland goes into all sorts of fail in this interview. And, being human in an ism-filled world—which, as quite a few of us know here at Racialicious, no one is exempt from them due to the kind of music they like or like to play, with whom they collaborate, at whose funeral they performed, or which school they attended–Mayer has them….and decides to vent to them. As an ex-friend once said, -isms and -phobias tend to come in bundles.

There’s the ageism, in that “too old to get it” sense:

MAYER: If Jennifer Aniston knows how to use BitTorrent I’ll eat my fucking shoe. One of the most significant differences between us was that I was tweeting. There was a rumor that I had been dumped because I was tweeting too much. That wasn’t it, but that was a big difference. The brunt of her success came before TMZ and Twitter. I think she’s still hoping it goes back to 1998. She saw my involvement in technology as courting distraction. And I always said, “These are the new rules.”

The slut-shaming:

MAYER: I feel like women are getting their comeuppance against men now. I hear about man-whores more than I hear about whores. When women are whorish, they’re owning their sexuality. When men are whorish, they’re disgusting beasts. I think they’re paying us back for a double standard that’s lasted for a hundred years.

And misandry:

MAYER: Because I want to show her I’m not like every other guy. Because I hate other men. When I’m fucking you, I’m trying to fuck every man who’s ever fucked you, but in his ass, so you’ll say “No one’s ever done that to me in bed.”

Followed by some full-on homophobia:

MAYER: The only man I’ve kissed is Perez Hilton. It was New Year’s Eve and I decided to go out and destroy myself. I was dating Jessica at the time, and I remember seeing Perez Hilton flitting about this club and acting as though he had just invented homosexuality. All of a sudden I thought, I can outgay this guy right now. I grabbed him and gave him the dirtiest, tongue-iest kiss I have ever put on anybody—almost as if I hated fags. I don’t think my mouth was even touching when I was tongue kissing him, that’s how disgusting this kiss was. I’m a little ashamed. I think it lasted about half a minute. I really think it went on too long.

Circling back to the racefail, there’s some offhanded anti-Semitism:

MAYER: I’m half Jewish. People say, “Well, which side of your family is Jewish?” I say, “My dad’s.” And they always say it doesn’t count. But I will say I keep my pool at 92 degrees, so you do the math. [Emphasis mine.] I find myself relating to Judaism. One of my best friends is Jewish beyond all Jews—I went to my first Passover seder at his house—and I train in Krav Maga with a lot of Israelis.

With a side of “how-do-these-two-things-even-go-together?” East Asian stereotypes:

I want to get on an airplane and be like a ninja.

Some gawd-awful inverted-shoutout to us Negroes:

MAYER: …I am a very…I’m just very. V-E-R-Y. And if you can’t handle very, then I’m a douche bag. But I think the world needs a little very. That’s why black people love me. [Emphasis mine]

PLAYBOY: Because you’re very?

MAYER: Someone asked me the other day, “What does it feel like now to have a hood pass?” And by the way, it’s sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a nigger pass. Why are you pulling a punch and calling it a hood pass if you really have a hood pass? But I said, “I can’t really have a hood pass. I’ve never walked into a restaurant, asked for a table and been told, ‘We’re full.’”

PLAYBOY: It is true; a lot of rappers love you. You recorded with Common and Kanye West, played live with Jay-Z.

MAYER: What is being black? It’s making the most of your life, not taking a single moment for granted. Taking something that’s seen as a struggle and making it work for you, or you’ll die inside. Not to say that my struggle is like the collective struggle of black America. But maybe my struggle is similar to one black dude’s.

And then there’s the now-infamous money-shot exchange, which got the blogosphere and the Twitterverse into roiling upset all day yesterday:

PLAYBOY: Do black women throw themselves at you?

MAYER: I don’t think I open myself to it. My dick is sort of like a white supremacist. I’ve got a Benetton heart and a fuckin’ David Duke cock. I’m going to start dating separately from my dick.

PLAYBOY: Let’s put some names out there. Let’s get specific.

MAYER: I always thought Holly Robinson Peete was gorgeous. Every white dude loved Hilary from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. And Kerry Washington. She’s superhot, and she’s also white-girl crazy. Kerry Washington would break your heart like a white girl. Just all of a sudden she’d be like, “Yeah, I sucked his dick. Whatever.” And you’d be like, “What? We weren’t talking about that.” That’s what “Heartbreak Warfare” is all about, when a girl uses jealousy as a tactic.

By the end of the interview, my mouth was agape, and my brain couldn’t even start to unpack it all—and I promised our editor Latoya Peterson to keep this post (relatively) short. So, my deputy-editor-in-giggles-and-struggle, Thea Lim, will soon write a post here about Mayer’s, ahem, self-entitled “pass.”

However, I can’t let Mayer’s money-shot statements pass without comment.

When I heard about it on Twitter, I heard a million Room for Squares CDs shattering against walls and a couple millions downloads of “Wonderland” getting deleted.  As my tweetvo pal @llpen and I commented:

@llapen:  the amount of discussion abt [John Mayer] betrays the levels of unwarranted endearment [(Black)] women have bestowed on him.

@CruelSecretary:  @llapen True….but you know how it goes with celebrity and attraction. Some Black women thought….they just thought, ya know?

I can easily see–and relate to–Black women, cis and trans, who envision themselves as the “you” Mayer wanted to make love with on “a deep sea of blankets,” considering that he really doesn’t give any explicit racial signifiers stating otherwise.  (And for those who want to argue about “porcelain” and “falling hair” as not talking about Black women–just don’t.  Porcelain can come in a variety of colors–including black–and Black hair can fall down, depending on the style, texture, and length.)  Mayer, though he feels he’s being honest with his interviewer about the probability of not dating Black women, just shattered the fantasies of those Black female fans who dreamed of  exactly that…and the (hopefully) attendant sex.

To that, @llapen responded:

@CruelSecretary hahahaha. yeah, I bet they thought lots of ish, the way they rocked “Wonderland”.  Reality is a bitch.

The bitch of it is Mayer’s comment is–yet again–another pop-culture “confirmation” that Black women are undateable, which translates to utterly undesireable and unfuckable.  He made that abundantly crystal with his “Benetton heart/David Duke dick” comment.  His disingenuous rejoinder of stating the Black women in Hollywood he wanted to get with–and then broke out with some wack-ass stereotypes of Black and White women and our dating styles just underscores his racially essentialized hot-mess-with-flies ideas about Black women.  And Mayer says all of this in a publication that is still considered a brand name in assigning cis women’s fuckability factor and, even for its (spotty) efforts at visually racial diversity, serves as one of the main echo chambers of melding and perpetuating the meme of White cis women’s idealized beauty and fuckability.

Honestly, I (and several folks I know on- and offline) hope Kerry Washington gives Mayer the what-for at a red-carpet event—preferably on the carpet itself– for coming out of his neck like that, fantasy or not.

And let me know if Robin Thicke or Jon B turns away from the sistahs.

Photo Credit: WZPT

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Comments

  1. Mooncat wrote:

    what the….

    was this man high during his interview???

  2. Mooncat wrote:

    i reread the interview in its entirety and the best part by far, has got to be look on his publicists face when he/she realized what mayer had said. watching the cleanup attempts could be fun. how is he going to explain “i’m sorry if you were offended, what i meant when i said my **** is a white supremacist”…

  3. Kandeezie wrote:

    I just sold my tickets to his Valentine’s Day concert in Toronto (yeah, laugh, I was one of those girls who loved him to death!). Yay for “preferences” but when you make a sweeping statement about black women – essentially that we’re cute but not high enough of the social hierarchy to date, then it’s Craigslist for me and my tickets! The other 5 million fails in this interview just blow my mind. Really.

  4. Natasha wrote:

    Oh, dear God. Such blatant misogyny and racism leaves me speechless. I know this is Playboy which is obviously explotation and objectification 101 but, I can’t believe this got published! Is this asshat (or dickhead, douchebag etc.) really popular in America? Seriously? Who the hell buys his music? Can some Americans clue me in?

  5. vcious wrote:

    “But maybe my struggle is similar to one black dude’s.”
    Dear privileged asshole, people not liking you because you’re an enormous douchebag is not comparable to struggles a black dude might face during his life in the US. STFU, seriously.

    God. I knew he was full of fail before but this interview brought it all so plainly out in the open. Astounding.

  6. atlasien wrote:

    If he has David Duke’s penis, does David Duke have John Mayer’s penis?

    Reading that interview was a fascinating glimpse into the mind of a raging narcissist.

    It struck me that John Mayer sees the white women that his racist penis deigns to penetrate as really just living props for elaborate masturbation fantasies.

    If he loves and personifies his penis so much, he should just get married to it. That would solve all his relationship problems. On the other hand, his penis would probably get sick of his unending stream of whining at some point, and file for divorce.

  7. Daniel Wilson wrote:

    Thank you for posting this! I was so disappointed when I read this interview. I’m a huge fan of his music, but I was completely unaware that he’s completely oblivious to race and culture.

    To all the people that don’t know. Yes, John Mayer is extremely popular and has a very loyal fan base, including myself before yesterday.

    As far as his comments about his penis being a white supremacist…Is he that clueless about the implications around being a white supremacist? Loss of words!

  8. Celeste wrote:

    I think it’s funny how many tags this article has, indicating that he managed to take a swipe at just about every category of people.

  9. amenfro wrote:

    “But I will say I keep my pool at 92 degrees, so you do the math.”

    I might be an idiot, but what does this mean?

  10. Funkystarkitty50 wrote:

    One argument is that he hasn’t said anything that some BM rappers have not said about BW in the past. Well, two wrongs don’t make a right and I’n not irked by the not being interested in BW comments, I just don’t understand the White supremacy comments and dragging Kerry Washington’s name into it. Totally random and unnecessary. He’s either high or just completely socially oblivious as to what not to say in interviews. You are right, HUGE fail…

  11. Mickey wrote:

    Last time I checked, an erect penis knows no color. The slave masters would have laughed at his ass. Sad.

  12. BSK wrote:

    I’m going to throw up. That was appalling on so many levels. I hope he gets raked through, over, around, and under the coals for this BS. The problem is, I bet he thought he was being edgy and honest and pushing the envelope. He probably thinks people who are offended by what he’s said just don’t get it and aren’t keeping it real. Go back to your douchey little shit music, assclown.

  13. Talis wrote:

    You know from the very start I’ve always had this irrational dislike of all things John Mayer.
    Since I never knew what set me off I just labled him a bland douchebag and left it at that. After reading this article I see now that I have my reason and am vindicated…I wish i wasn’t.

  14. A.D. Nix wrote:

    I . . . . had no idea black women were supposed to like John Mayer. Certainly not after his n-word spewing stand-up show a few years ago.

    What was this assumption based on?

    Also: “The bitch of it is Mayer’s comment is–yet again–another pop-culture “confirmation” that Black women are undateable, which translates to utterly undesireable and unfuckable.”

    And the world goes to great pains to make sure black women never ever forget it.

  15. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    Yep, he’s a douche-bag.

  16. Andrea (AJ) Plaid wrote:

    @ Everyone–I’m a little groggy this morning, so I’m going to try to aim for brevity. Thanks for your responses so far!

    Latest news item: Mayer offers a “choked-up” apology at a concert and to get out of the media game post-Playboy interview.

    Item of note: most of his musicians and singers are Black.

  17. Lola wrote:

    I think atlasien hit the nail on the head. I read some of the other excerpts from his interview and the things he says about his exes, his sex life, and women in general are appalling. Narcissist is the gentlest word for what he is.

  18. Notebook wrote:

    I’m going to have to agree with atlasien and say that Mr. Mayer is deeply in love with his own penis. I mean, seriously–describing your penis as a white supremacist? There’s so much wrong in that interview to begin with but… what?

  19. deathblossom wrote:

    No matter how many times the world says “That’s enough, John Mayer”, dude never learns. John Mayer’s been slagging his girlfriends through the press and generally being an insufferable douche for the past two years, I was done with him ages ago. I had no idea he was that popular amongst black women, though.

    How smug and dismissive do you have to be to go from talking about how black people love you to going on about how you just can’t find them attractive – and then his comments about Kerry? Black women are supposed to what play the good wife instead of possessing the very human characteristic of jealously or want to make hurt because of his douchebag behavior? Ugh.

    Oh, “pass.” There is no such thing where acceptance and appreciation from the black community gives you a “pass” to make disparging comments about black people, black culture, or to co-opt the reality of black people. Great job taking it to the extreme, John.

  20. Irene M. wrote:

    Holy shit! That man has no shame.

    “But I will say I keep my pool at 92 degrees, so you do the math”.

    What does that even mean?!

  21. T.Ava wrote:

    I have to admit that I was shock when reading this about Mayer; however, I think that the biggest thing that still has not been discussed throughly is that Mayer directly is telling the public that even with his ” Benetton ( multicultural ) heart” he is a racist. All you have to do is google David Duke and see that was one of the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan.

    On a sidenote: I wonder, but highly doubt it, if Common, Kanye West or Jay Z will have the balls to public berate Mayer for his comments.

    So much for waiting for the world to change

  22. gillian wrote:

    There are times when a person offends on so many levels, it’s hard to know where and how to begin addressing their assiness.

    This post is a good start.

    I’ve always found John Mayer to be a source of amusement. Attractive? Not so much. His music is decent. Other than that, I was kinda meh on him.

    I’d read his self-obsessed, incomprehensible interview in Rolling Stone. But this Playboy session takes his WTFuckery to whole new levels. To quote my dad “some people don’t know what they don’t know.”

    “The bitch of it is Mayer’s comment is–yet again–another pop-culture “confirmation” that Black women are undateable, which translates to utterly undesireable and unfuckable. He made that abundantly crystal with his “Benetton heart/David Duke dick” comment.”

    THIS! And I can’t begin to convey how sick. and. tired. I am of that shit. Thankfully, you, Andrea, have articulated my thoughts on this very well.

  23. Moni wrote:

    I have so many thoughts about this, but really breaks my heart is watching that apology and seeing his two black female back up singers holding each other’s hands for support and wiping tears from their eyes…I never followed John Mayer and am a bit conflicted about the interview and the whole thing, but I know there a tons of black women who love him and are hurting over this…I’m tired of folks feeling comfortable with dogging us…and I wish we could get famous people to come out and support us…those who love us…ugh…I really wasn’t that emotional over it until seeing those two women who are definitely personally hurt over this…I know what it feels like to have someone close to you say something like that to you…its like a blow to the gut…

  24. justme wrote:

    All I know is this punk better not hide behind any excuses of being drunk or high, he must be held accountable for his racist and sexist comments and I have to say his comments about not allowing himself to be attracted to black women……like how dare you? Also he needs to Holly Pete and Kerry Washington immediately.

  25. Liz wrote:

    I am most shocked to hear that any people of color were truly excited about John Mayer. He wasn’t making that up?

    Anyway, as a fairly white-bred mixed girl, I was never white-bred enough to be interested in Mr. Mayer. That doesn’t mean I can’t recognize he has talent…but overall, he’s very mediocre, and very affirming to those who find comfort in mediocrity. I think even his choice of love interests is a very well-defined survey of American mediocrity & dull taste.

    And whatever, I think I’m pretty hot. I’ve had this supported plenty by the type of guys I’m actually interested in.

    His comments about black women were definitely offensive…but I thought his attempts to quantify the black experience were the most embarrassing thing I have ever heard.

  26. Ruchama wrote:

    On the pool thing: if he’d said that he keeps his pool at 75 degrees or something, then I’d assume he was saying that, just like Jews, he’s cheap and doesn’t want to spend the extra money on heating the pool to a more comfortable temperature. But 92 degrees is warmer than a usual swimming pool. Maybe he’s saying that he’s a wimp about the cold, and being wimpy makes him more Jewish? Or he was trying for the first “joke” and failed because he doesn’t actually know what temperature his pool is, because he hires people to deal with stuff like that.

  27. Erika wrote:

    My first reaction was to laugh. Wow, what the hell was he thinking when he made those stupid-ass comments? Most other white folks know to keep statements like that to themselves :P

    But then again, “edginess” makes it OK for people to say shit like that, so he probably saw it as being fine. Or maybe he was totally drugged out of his mind.

  28. NEECY wrote:

    Now let’s see how many Black women will continue to support this loser.

  29. Eva wrote:

    I’m not surprised at this. He’s such a narcissist anyway and proud of it. I would not be surprised if he said this just to keep his name in the papers.

  30. Brandon wrote:

    As much as I don’t want to do this, I’ll explain the pool “joke” he told. He’s half-Jewish. But he keeps his pool at 92 degrees. That would cost a lot of money to keep the water that warm. So clearly, he’s not THAT Jewish.

    He is, however, clearly, completely, a 100% douchebag. The scary thing is that he probably thinks everything he said is just so edgy, hip, and cool.

    I’d call him a hipster, but he isn’t hip enough.

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a worse interview.

  31. Brandon wrote:

    And based on his comments about sex and his own penis, I’ve concluded that if he were to have sex with a woman who is a previous partner of David Duke… it would be akin to David Duke sodomizing himself. (Do the math.)

    And I have to say that this kinda brings a smile to my face.

  32. RG wrote:

    I think JM is talented…. I don’t really like him at all…..but, I just think cos he has collaborated with such big hip hop/rap people that he thinks it gives him the “pass” to talk like those people will always have his back. Listen, entertainment is complete bs. Jon Stewart once said, “the only difference between people in Hollywood and people in Washington are that the people in LA THINK they have power”. So in other words, ya this guy is a complete d-bag and made a point in a disgustingly tacky way….but lets not give him the satisfaction/attention/publication of it.

    Everything now is shock value…..what have been the biggest stories of they year??? All shock! I guarantee you this was well plotted, and thought of. Maybe got a little bigger than he wanted, but how much do you want to bet we’ll see him on a video with KW or JZ and they’re like “ya…he cool….yall tripping”. Ugh..it makes me sick….

  33. NEECY wrote:

    KANDEEZEE,

    Good for you! The fact is until Black women start hitting these kinds of people where thier pockets are or hitting them where it hurts, this will continue. its common knowledge to folks in the entertainment business that Black women will continue to support those who disrespect us.

    There is NO WAY I would continue being a back up singer for him. And damn sure would not spend a DIME on ay of his music or concerts. One Black woman on another forum said “big deal i am still going to his show”. i thought “really????”

    Black women need to start making sacrifices when it comes time to keep your self respect and bounce out of situations and away from people who have no serious qualms about openly disrespecting us. Even if that means losing a paycheck or two.

    If he had said this about any other group of women, he’d be hit in the pockets and such.

    Time for Black women to start zipping up our walletts and STOP supporting fools like Mayer.

    And my last note about why people feel its OKAY to openly CONTINUE to put down Black women, let the world know Black women are undateblae, unfuckable and undesirable and inferioir —-

    ” The meek will inheret the earth”.~matthew 5:5

  34. Saf wrote:

    When have black women ever been considered unfuckable in pop culture? While the idea of black women as unmarriageable/undateable definitely does exist in the white male imaginary, I’ve always thought the problem is that they are sort of constructed as good enough to fuck but not good enough to have a real relationship with. We’re all familiar with the images of the oversexualized black Jezebel in pop culture. If anything, Mayer not being able to get it up when it comes to black women is an anomaly.

  35. asdf wrote:

    Ech. As if we needed another reason to crown John Mayer King of the Douches. I’m pretty sure he’s promoted to Emperor Douche now. And I don’t know if it’s because he’s already pretty well disliked already, but I noticed on a lot of the threads I’ve been reading, he’s been roundly criticized, with only a few “oh what he said wasn’t REALLY offensive get over it blah blah blah” thrown in, unlike, for example, the Vanity Fair cover of the other week where there was so much denial about it. Of course, he was quite a bit more blatant about it (David Duke’s WHAT???) and much more “equal opportunity” about his isms (what group DIDN’T he cover? sheesh) so I think it’s a lot harder to defend him. I’m guessing whatever “pass” he thought he had has been revoked, now.

    Also–I don’t get the thing about the pool water either. Is there some stereotype about Jews not liking to be cold or something? That was weird.

  36. Simone wrote:

    Thank you, Ruchama, for explaining about the pool cultural reference.

    Up until yesterday, John Mayer was the paragon of my late night fantasies (I even condoned his narcissistic psychobabble). Unfortunately, he has revealed himself to be another sheltered East Coast prep who is deficient in any semblance of cultural competence. Good bye, lover.

  37. Cindy wrote:

    He must have needed some free publicity. No way faster than to offend EVERYBODY.

  38. Diverse wrote:

    I guess Ol’ Johnny thought that PLAYBOY would sooo liberal that he just could spew anything to them. I guess he thought wrong.

    Although I loved( and notice that I said loved. I no longer want to listen to his stuff) his music, I’ve always thought that he was full of himself, but after watching Wendy Williams reading John’s PLAYBOY interview, I just didn’t realize how idiotic he really was.

    After those beyond distasteful comments that he made about Blacks , Jews and everybody else ,do he really think that those supportive people will be by his side? I think not! I’ll respect him for one thing: his blatant honesty. You have some people who aren’t honest about these their true feelings about people. Still, it will not equate to me buying one of his CD’s.

    I remembered looking at a show where it was said that Taylor Swift’s mom had a complaint against John wanting to date her( Taylor). I cannot blame her. I mean, this guy is so full of garbage that it’s not even funny. After those derogatory comments that he made about Black women and about Jessica, Black or White, I would NEVER want my child to date a man like him.

  39. umm....what wrote:

    John Mayer’s hood pass is actually a one way ticket. Once safely inside the hood, it becomes a coupon redeemable for a public ass kicking.

  40. Mickey wrote:

    I wonder what Paul Mooney would have to say about this dumb fuck. PM would DEFINITELY rip him a new one. And didn’t he just give a recent interview talking about Jennifer Aniston and how he’s displayed some bisexual tendencies (thinking some men on the internet were sexier than women)? Sounds like publicity-seeking shock value to me.

  41. Moni wrote:

    Neecy,

    I so agree with you. I have been saying for over a decade now that we need some type of collective movement to combat this continued degradation of black women. I make it a point not to spend meager earnings on people, companies, etc. that blatantly disrespect me. I am really fed up with folks explaining away racist/sexist diatribe that targets black women. I’m reading blogs around the Internet trying to find black and non-black men and non-black women, who are speaking out as allies. I just want to know that black women are not alone in our disgust. I’m sick of “waiting on the world to change”…but what????

  42. Alexis wrote:

    I’m Jewish and I didn’t even get the pool thing…

    The thing that upsets me most about this isn’t that John Mayer said it because I had zero respect for him in the first place (I think his music is just horrid and I don’t think this is the first of his soundbites to prove he’s a tool) but what does bother me is hearing from white men today “why is that wrong?” “everyone has to like black women?” “we can’t just like what we like, whatever our preferences are?”. Its so frustrating.

  43. Ladymourge wrote:

    Let me say this I don’t listen to John Mayer since I like rock music( real rock music)I hated that he said “She will break you heart like a white girl” WTF? What does that even mean? really? I’m white I never broke anyone’s heart ( yet) . I seen people who had their heart broken by all kinds of people.
    @NEECY
    I hope all humans , not just black women, not just women but all humans see what a douche this man is and stop buying is music. As a society we need to let him know that his behavior is not acceptable.

  44. Li wrote:

    It’s a bit disappointing, although not surprising, that John Mayer has taken his plunge from fame in my library of music.
    He’s talented, that’s for sure, but such blatant disrespect is embarrassing on his part alone.

    Not only was it disrespectful but it showed him to be completely ignorant and stuck in a privileged and sheltered mindset.

    Associating or getting close with blacks does not sanction you to degrade their culture. I’m not sure why I come across so many people (not just whites) who think so.

    It would be nice if the artists that I appreciate would keep their own opinions to themselves from now on. Bigger fan base for them, less of a headache for me.

    It all works out.

    ….Right?

  45. doudc wrote:

    @Moni: Absolutely. If I were one of those backup singers, I’d tell Mr. David Duke Cock to go fuck himself. You know, I’ve never liked Mayer, his music, or his face, but I had no idea he was such a racist, sexist, homophobic twit.

    I watched his apology (http://www.popeater.com/2010/02/11/john-mayer-live-apology-playboy/) a few minutes ago. The tears of a clown.

  46. izebe wrote:

    saf: i was thinking about your observation and how to articulate what i [think] i know is true. that is, that we black women are understood to be fuckable–true. the jezebel stereotype and all that exists, true. but then there is a threshold…so ONLY, up to a point. granted this is, ideally a subjective point, but not really, because i think i know exactly what andrea means by that assessment, even though it’s a little saddening and difficult for me to articulate.

    so mayer then, alludes to the understanding of a kind of threshold for fuckability where kerry washington, holly robinson peete and karyn parsons barely squeeze past apparently BUT really for him there is no threshold for HIM or the possibility of one because his dick is a “white supremacist”. so in drawing reference to these well-known, attractive black actresses who will never make the sexual desirability grade so to speak, he is again, reinforcing the unfuckablilty of black women.

    my point is that i have always understood or presumed the oversexualized jezebel to be relative–to a certain point. she doesn’t necessarily break down barriers of desirability even as she has the leeway to move across them. [for the sake of elaboration: i know you're not implying that either] her presence, the knowledge of her existence, or her mere existence doesn’t necessarily do that either. there are other forces at play, incessantly relegating the jezebel to stay squarely within that realm and cause no truly transformative ruckus.

  47. brooksie wrote:

    Well John Mayer’s been skating close to the edge for some time now. This was a bad attempt at something surrealist/dadaist that failed miserably, IMHO. Race humor is always iffy and given how literal-minded people can be, this was a landmine. It was inevitable that he’d really go to far at some point cuz he believes that he’s so clever and funny. IOW, he’s permanently 15 in some ways.

    Given his inability to shut up and his foolishness over hey years, why are people so shocked? It’s not like he’s walking into untrod territory in his personal image. He’s living proof that some people have no internal editor or common sense. Talking too much is asking for trouble.

    About his Black women comments, I don’t know what’s sadder…what he said or the reactions to it.

  48. BSK wrote:

    I just hope that this douche gets more ridicule than just what is being expressed here. He should be torn apart on talk radio, tv, the internet… everywhere. There should be boycotts of his albums and concerts and he should be ostracized like the anti-social asshole he is.

  49. doudc wrote:

    @umm….what:

    Ha! Too right! Ezra Klein twitted yesterday that some rapper should punch him in his face. Well, I’m not a rapper, but I’m volunteering for this task.

    Also, I have a sinking suspicion that those who “gave him his hood pass” won’t be slamming Mr. David Duke Cock anytime soon.

  50. Mary wrote:

    I was speechless after reading this interview. Just when I thought Mayer had made his most offensive remark, it kept getting worse and worse.

    I feel the worst for Kerry Washington – as far as I know she has no connection to this loser and still got dragged into his offensive narcissistic wankfest. (Not that Mayer’s comments would be remotely excusable even if they did have a personal relationship.)

  51. EMP wrote:

    What an ass. His notapology is even more offensive.

  52. Mooncat wrote:

    @ diverse,
    yah, those comments about past lovers were beyond icky. i could not imagine how any of those women feel after reading that.

  53. Phil wrote:

    Who? I’ve never heard of him.

  54. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    First, I should say I’ve never listened to this guy’s music – the only reason I’ve ever heard of this guy is from reading about what a “heartthrob” he is on various pop culture websites.

    And I never could understand WHY it was that women were supposed to be attracted to him, since he always came off as a massively entitled assholish jerk in every interview I ever read.

    Hell, when New York Magazine interviewed him, he made a rape threat against one of the editors of that magazine right in the interview!

    So the Playboy interview didn’t really surprise me in the least.

    I will say this – Mr klansman-penis sure does a good job of being a bigot.

    He insults every group – except, of course, straight White men!

    Of course, he has to hit Black people – and in particular Black women – first and hardest …ironic considering how many Black women are fans of his, but I guess he’s trying to maintain his White man status by distancing himself from the Black women who’ve supported his career so loyally for so long.

    I assume that’s the logic behind the “I have a David Duke penis” statement (does it have it’s own white sheet? …does it burn crosses in his shorts?)

    His homophobia sounds a lot like the kind of stuff I’ve heard from guys who’ve spent a lot of time in prison – he hates gay men so much that he wants to sexually assault them (apparently to “prove” that he is a “real man” and “not gay”)

    This leads quite naturally into his extreme misogyny – that whole he only has sex with women so he can pretend to be having anal sex (presumably of the forcible and non consensual rape variety) with every man they had sex with comment kind of summarizes his hatred of women very nicely.

    For a dude who writes and sings love songs for a living, has he ever actually loved a woman?

    Or is it all some kind of macho ego thing for him – getting back at other men by having sex with women they used to sleep with?

    And he even takes time out to insult his father’s ethnic group – that whole swimming pool comment, which was supposed to tie into the whole “Jewish people are cheap” stereotype.

    Again, I do notice the one group he failed to insult – straight White men?

    And I think we all know why he steered clear of criticizing them!

  55. Winn wrote:

    I tried to address this on Jezebel yesterday but just…couldn’t. I was never a big fan of John Mayer’s, and don’t even own one of his CDs, but I have liked some of his music, particularly his blues side project. But his major racefail “standup” routine from a few years ago kicked me in the face with hipster privilege, his incomprehensible Rolling Stone interview made me fear for his mental health, and this latest debacle makes me want to drive him into the “hood” to see exactly how far he gets with that “pass” before someone puts their foot in his ass. The arrogance, the privilege, the attempt at “edginess”, the backhanded compliments, the incredible wrongness of equating a sexual preference with a leader of a violent domestic terror organization that, you know, killed people, the assumption that the approval of a select few black people translates into monolithic “black people love me”, the cluelessness, the stupidity, the irony of a man who had a hit with a song about WAITING on world change insulting a group of people who gave their blood, sweat and tears to MAKE and CREATE real and substantive political, economic and social change…the mind just boggles. If I could kick my own ass for buying my best friend “Battle Studies” for Christmas, I would!

    By the way, not that being a black woman puts me on some kind of mailing list or something, but I was unaware of this great John Mayer love among black women. I knew he had some black fans, as do most pop/rock musicians, but how did I miss the sistah/John Mayer love fest, now hopefully ended forever?

  56. doudc wrote:

    @Alexis at 1:23

    Wait, so they’re completing glossing over the fact that Mayer joked(!?) that his penis is a white supremacist??? Wow. Just wow.

    Mayer’s statement that he’s not into doing black chicks is one thing but calling his penis “a David Duke cock” is on a whole other level of fuckery. Are they not aware that the man he named his penis after is the former lead dragon (or whatever) of the KKK???!

    Oh, dear gawd. SMH.

  57. drinkyprose wrote:

    Now that the mysterious “pool temperature” comment has been clarified, maybe somebody could explain the “airplane ninja” thing?

    John….maybe you should put the bong away for a little while?

  58. Jamerican Muslimah wrote:

    In was once a John Mayer fan and now I have the sudden urge to smash all my John Mayer CDs and youtube it.

  59. Maryann wrote:

    I think that every woman, black, white, asian, whatever race/color/ethnicity should completely boycott this douche. Like someone said above, hit him where it counts, in record and concert sales. Also, media, stop giving this jackass a forum for spouting his nonsensical hate. And, black women, you are ALL beautiful, and you should be happy that this clown isn’t interested in you – he’s a walking STD anyway.

  60. Alexis wrote:

    @doudc – no, its not that they are ignoring it completely. The statement went more like “yes, what he said was worded badly but whats so wrong with what he really meant?”. They don’t realize that the sentiment behind it is inherently racist no matter how you word it.

  61. Nga wrote:

    I can’t even imagine how much of a bigot one must be, in order to spew all of that in a span of one interview. Although, I’m not justifying anything he said, I have to wonder.. how much of what John Mayer is presenting of himself is really a man talking, and not just another production of the hype-and-fame machine blabbing? And why does it seem so easy for these so-called famous people to lose their souls and play into these attention-grabbing shock comments?

  62. Val wrote:

    You know I’m never surprised by anything White people say anymore.

    I’ve learned not to invest emotionally in White celebs since many are prone to say stuff like this at any given time.

    So I’m not really bothered by Meyer. What will bother me is if there are no consequences for him after this interview.

    Will Black artists continue to work with him? Will some idiot Black rapper come to his defense? That’s what worries me.

  63. Wendi Muse wrote:

    oh john mayer…king of the weird interview. in an interview he did a few months back with Details, this issue (of him giving strange interviews/his words being misinterpreted due to sarcasm/inflection not included in the resulting interview text, etc) came up quite a bit.

    part of me wonders if mayer is just trying to be funny/snarky and failing on all counts. another part of me wonders if it’s all for attention? and then another part of me doesn’t care what the answer is and just wishes he would stop making a fool of himself by sitting down for interviews at all.

    though, given, some of the interview QUESTIONS were on the strange side to. when you look at those in conjunction with the answers, it seems like the tone of the whole thing was just…off.

  64. Sean wrote:

    Math time:

    White privilege + having some black people being down with you = foot in mouth.

  65. brownstocking wrote:

    So, i tweeted this forevs yesterday.

    I couldn’t even finish the apology, more because I was more upset at the women screaming approval at him. Honeys, he was dissing ALL of us.

    Something interesting occurs to me as I’m reading this. I, too, was never a fan, and kept wondering at the phantom sistas who gave him love. Mayhaps the love isn’t as deep or wide as the media portrays it, typical. I mean, clearly, Holly Robinson Peete supports him, and that hurts, but to each their own.

    Hey, let’s share love for the arse who interviewed Mayer, because his questions were fail and insult, as well:

    “John Mayer’s Penis Is A Racist Wonderland http://www.mediaite.com/coxcv I just learned the interviewer was @GoodForTheJews Rob Tannenbaum.”

    So, yes, every rapper/producer who gave Mayer a hood pass (and WTF is that?! And why does someone think they can issue them?) should be slapped in the mouth for foolishness.

    Mod Note: I added Tannenbaum’s twitter address for the sake of context here – it’s the name of his band, not an aspersion cast by the commenter. – AG

  66. Water Witch wrote:

    I’m a mixed race woman with black ancestry. I am so tired of being hated by the whole world. I could care less about JM–a nasty bit of work–but the nods of his comments about black women? Ai! Fit to fuck or wipe your ass with and discard and THAT’S IT!! It reminds me of that line on the Color Purple–”look at you! You’re black, ugly…AND YOU’RE A WOMAN!!” Unworthy, unloveable, and nothing to be celebrated at all–tied to the post for anyone and everyone to whip, vilify, and use her back to elevate their own flagging feelings of superiority. They don’t want black women to go away–someone has to be the goat of Azazel. I’m ranting here; sorry–it just really hurts.
    Do you know that this is such a severe problem among black women that it has a negative impact on their health? It was on a PBS special–they had a series of shows on about social issues and health.
    No one should have to wage a daily battle over their sex and race.

  67. yolanda wrote:

    my comment from another site, because really there’s nothing else to add:

    i’m not going to lie, i am a huge fan of john mayer’s music–i really like the sappy, soft-rock and he’s a great guitar player. however as his ego and doucheyness has grown, the quality of his work has gone down. i never thought he liked black women (his love songs are beautiful, but it’s obvious they’re about white women–and he’s white so that’s to be expected) so i wasn’t too hurt over the interview. john mayer is a well-known misogynistic ahole, i guess homophobic racist can be added to that list, too!

    i’ve noticed everyone is freaking out over “the n-word” and not any of the subtle racism (although it’s very obvious to me) in his comments about black women. i guess it’s because american society just sees that as “preference.”

  68. Digital Coyote wrote:

    I knew the guy was a tool, but I wasn’t aware that I was supposed to be madly in love with him? I must be immune to the “Black people lurve meh” ray pouring out of the TV when he was on Chappelle’s Show.

    @brooksie: If I didn’t know any better, I’d say you were making excuses for him. What he said isn’t artistic or humorous and the backlash he’s receiving is well-earned. Personal immaturity or a lack of concern for what comes out of his mouth doesn’t change that.

  69. Niki wrote:

    Sean wrote:

    Math time:

    White privilege + having some black people being down with you = foot in mouth.

    Posted 11 Feb 2010 at 3:46 pm ¶

    YES! He will be out playing golf with (former “hood pass recipient”) Justin Timberlake in no time LOL

  70. brooksie wrote:

    The more I’m reading on various forums, the more I’m seeing how much hurt this caused. This is why people need to think more and talk less.

  71. Amanda Whelan wrote:

    I don’t what is more disgusting, John Mayer’s room temperature IQ approach to publicity or those who defend it. This “why can’t white people be on Ebony Magazine” type of idiotic commentators who are proliferating message boards and blogs dashing to his defence might as well be mass produced out of David Duke’s nut hole.

    John Mayer, is over, has been over and will be forgotten in less than a decade.He writes boring songs, his guitar playing is overrated and it’s obvious that his incessant warblings to the media are to make up for a glaring lack of testicular fortitude.

    Now he’s just fed every stupid, hypocritical stereotype that the white supremacist media has about Black women not being attractive; be it subconscious or blatant. Of course he conveniently leaves out that his philosophy meshed perfectly with black slave owners in the Antebellum South and colonialist European males who merrily started race mixing on six continents due to their dicks being so “KKK and white supremacist.”

    I would expect this slack jawed dolt who played so “dramatically and urgently” at Michael Jackson’s funeral, at the request of Jackson’s sisters, to show some class and decorum and keep his racially inept opinions to himself. He has a multi-racial fan base, he’s not a KKK style Johnny Rebel(a man begging for a black penis if their ever was one) and he’s not a John Wayne style redneck. Wayne made far worse comments in Playboy but who was surprised? A faux cowboy with a backed up colon who shot first nation people and Vietnamese on-screen with his white compatriots to get his jollys is what Wayne was, not a musician playing lukewarm RnB aka a watered down version of black music called “Blue-eyed soul” (wikipedia’s words not mine) Mayer is getting grotesquely over paid to not just sound like an Ikea Teddy Pendergrass but also to be affable and decent in public unless people really want to fund this type of blunt culture stupidity with the little money they have left.

  72. Crystal wrote:

    Wow.

    John Mayer was apparently trying to be edgy and cool in that 4chan sort of way, and he ended up sounding like a post-shark jumping Andrew Dice Clay.

  73. Talis wrote:

    Yolanda said:
    I guess it’s because american society just sees that as “preference.”

    This is a really good point. Why is it so acceptable to shout from the roof tops that gentlemen do not prefer black women?

    I don’t hear about the swearing off other sorts of women (not that this should be done)

  74. brooksie wrote:

    Digital Coyote…assume what you will, but it is rather a literal-minded take. I make no excuses for him tho, why should I? My take on what he did and why is mine and I stand by it. Nobody’s gonna feed me the “appropriate” outrage I’m supposed to feel about this or anything.

    That said, humor (or the attempts at it) is where many personal truths are told. Mayer told his w/o really thinking about it….he revealed his inner thoughts in a way he assumed would be taken in a different way than they were. The fact that he attempted and thought he was being funny in no way changes what he said…in fact, it makes it more pointed.

  75. laura wrote:

    Mayer is trying to get some black ass. He thinks that if he spews all of this nonsense that some black girls (not women, never women) are going to see this as a challenge to convert his little David Duke penis. Don’t do it sisters.

    As far as I’m concerned John Mayer has ceased to exist. He’s better than dead because he never existed. I call upon all black women do to do the same. If he’s on your iPod, delete him. If you have tickets, burn them. If you have cds destroy them.

    Mayer’s words are a challenge to black men. Black men need to stand up and denounce Mayer in the strongest terms properly. Mayer has insulted your mothers, sisters, daughters; don’t let him get away with it.

    Personally I’ve probably listened to two John Mayer songs and it wasn’t my choice. I’m glad that his little penis isn’t interested in black women; white girls, he’s all yours! Me and my sisters would never ask a boy to do a man’s job.

  76. yolanda wrote:

    @LadyMourge:

    i don’t think he meant, “all white women are heartbreakers” i think he meant the way she’ll go about breaking his heart. the quote says she’ll use means of jealousy. from my blog (because i had to think about the quote for awhile, too) this is what i gathered he meant:

    Is he saying that Kerry (a lovely, lovely…superhot, lady) would use tactics white women commonly use? Instead of busting the windows out his car she’d cheat and then relay the story to him, talk about how good it was an how liberating it was, how the other man was great at something but how she still wanted him? A la “Love is Blind” by Amy Winehouse. I thought that was just being manipulative, not a gender or race thing–but wait, it’s John Mayer.

    in short: he’s just an idiot talking out of his butt.

  77. aamer wrote:

    I guess his ‘hood pass’ is what allowed him to say the N-word repeatedly in his standup:

    http://gawker.com/news/music/john-mayer-miner-of-comedy-gold-183396.php

  78. Shelby wrote:

    I think he’s a racist asshole. I think he knows he’s a racist asshole. I’m also a Black woman and I’ve loved his music since Room for Squares. I feel almost zero conflict over continuing to like/listen to his music. Why? Cuz fuck him, I like those songs! Why should I hold MYSELF responsible for responding to his hatefulness? Nope, I’ll just download all future songs illegally & go about my day. I can keep my money and he can keep his racist peen.

  79. gatamala wrote:

    What’s sad is all of these black male entertainers that have worked with/supported him never chin-checked this motherfucker. Let’s see what they do….

    I always thought his music was some douchebag shit. Your body is a wonderland? GTFOH.

  80. Amanda Whelan wrote:

    Really great writing by the way. Best take on it so far.

    I’m really happy that post modernism isn’t winning out on this thread with “oh let’s deconstruct his feelings and give him a free pass for being honest.”

    The 80’s had it’s glaring defects but at least when someone like Jimmy The Greek talked about slave owners breeding blacks for better bodies he was canned no questions asked. Does Mayer have sponsors? Like Charlie Sheen who nearly cuts his wife, is he going to still be part of the mass media like it never happened? I mean Dog the bounty Hunter got his show back…

  81. bluesky wrote:

    yolanda and Talis,

    “But it’s not prejudice! It’s just a preference! At least he was honest! Why would a White man want to be with a Black woman? Black men don’t even want them! No one calls minorities who don’t date inter-racially racist! Wah Wah Wah!”

    This hateful crap is being spewed all over Twitter/ the internet (some of it, unfortunately, by Black people). As if this “preference” for White women exists in some vacuum, as if we all haven’t been bombarded with countless messages idealizing fair skin and blue eyes.

    With regards to swearing off entire subsets of women, I can’t tell you the amount of heated online arguments I’ve seen about blondes versus brunettes! They are so incredibly insular and naive. They usually boil down to brunette (and, occasionally, redheaded) White women being treated as these downtrodden, underrepresented minorities who can’t catch a break.

    They miss the point entirely. Dark-haired Megan Fox doesn’t broaden or diversify society’s definition of beauty anymore than her fair-haired counterparts. She doesn’t represent some victory for the sisterhood! Being considered unattractive because you’re not blonde and being considered unattractive because you’re not White are completely different things.

  82. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    I also found the questions in the interview a little bit off, but was far more disgusted by the answers.

    I want to echo what some commenters have already mentioned. While I don’t personally know of any black women who actually fantasized about Mayer between the sheets (although I don’t doubt that some have), I know plenty of women (black women and other WoC) who adored his music, and I guess, were fooled into thinking that because he wrote some nice songs about women that he actually gave a crap about them.

    On top of feeling like an idiot for ever supporting Mayer with my hard-earned money, and sharing his music with my friends, I’m really disappointed. When you listen to those songs, it’s easy to imagine that someone is (or someone could be) singing them to you. What I learned from that interview is that those songs are NOT for me and that the musician who wrote them has NO RESPECT for fans like me. It makes me mad enough to punch him in the pocketbook. Christ could produce his next CD and I wouldn’t buy it.

  83. G.K. wrote:

    I read that interview, and all I can say besides WTF–is that that was TOO MUCH damn personal information about one person that I REALLY didn’t need to know—honestly, he should have kept ALL of that shit between himself and the shrink he so obviously needs. I’ve only ever liked 2 songs by him–”The Real World” and “Daughters”–the only two classic tunes he’s actually made so far—never bought any of his stuff, because most of it didn’t move me to that extent. After reading that, it’s not hard to see why his white girlfriends broke up with him–he TALKS too damn much and puts WAY too much of his business out there in the public—even they probably got tired of that BS. Obviously, he has yet to learn that an interview is not supposed to be your public confessional about EVERYTHING damn thing you’ve ever thought. Dude’s got talent, and it’s been interesting to see him grow as an artist over the years, but,damn, he really let the cat out of the bag this time—talk about having your head so far up your own ass that you can’t see straight.

    Another thing–the comment about his dick would be easier to swallow if said dick were a separate person unto itself, but come on, how the hell can your dick be racist by itself. Bottom line, it’s just as well he feels he can’t get with a sister (that’s HIS damn loss, the idiot) because he wouldn’t know how to deal with a REAL woman anyway—ha ha ha! And I always thought the son-of-a-bitch wa kinda cute in an offbeat way, with that black hair and those weird creepy eyes of his—aw, screw it—there’s better-looking white boys here in the D, anyway!

  84. JenBen wrote:

    You know, I always knew he was a tool, just not how much of a tool. Maybe he was taking part in a dare, a sort of Bigot’s Bingo, where he had to say as many offensive things as possible in the space of an hour?

    It would have been amazing to be a fly on the wall for the interview though. I find the inside of my face begins to tense up when I’m interviewing someone who starts saying crazy things – this reporter must have been about to clench his entire head shut.

    Anyway, let’s set the timer for the inevitable John-Mayer-heading-for-rehab-due-to-”stress”-story.

  85. Scribe wrote:

    John Mayer confirmed one thing. The perception of black women being undesired in this world. He clearly confirmed this through his own attitude and it wouldn’t be long before someone (seeing some of the comments on other sites including from a Hispanic guy) co-signed on his BS. What irked me throughout all of this were the number of black people defending his BS. It saddens me that we stood up for our dignity in the streets during civil rights only to see today’s people, particularly blacks, sit up here and passively allow this racist garbage to go by unchecked. We can call out FOX News and the Republican party all day on their racist nonsense, but go mum when a celebrity “who has blacks for sidekicks” exposes his/her true colors.

  86. Shelby wrote:

    Just wanna add that I’ve been a die-hard John Mayer fan since I was 14 but I’ve NEVER envisioned he was “singing to me.” I never heard any other Black female friend say they thought of him “that way” either. The general consensus is he’s hella not cute (especially when singing). Let’s keep in mind that women relate to music in more ways than just “I could be the girl he’s singing to! Swoon!”
    I just always loved his lyrics and really identified with HIM actually (the whole unrequited love, broken hearted, lonely poet character.) And ya know, I just plain liked the melodies.(incidentally, Wonderland was always the track I skipped when I 1st got the album…)

  87. emma wrote:

    You know what the worst part is? He will never, ever have a hard time getting another girlfriend or getting laid. Not even after this. Far too many women actually like assholes. For some women the more of a jerk the man is then more attractive they are.

  88. Ladymourge wrote:

    @ yolanda
    When I first read the quote I thought he meant, that only white women can break someone’s heart not WOC.
    @ G.K.
    Or at least get a psychiatrist or something.

  89. bluesky wrote:

    Scribe, you are so right. On another website, someone posed the question “If this were Toby Keith (or someone without liberal cred), would we be so quick to defend him or assume he’s just joking around?” I don’t think I saw a single response.

    By the way, this website wasn’t race-related. I think it was music-related. I’m noting this because it shows that this sentiment is pretty widespread (the “He’s from the East Coast, so he’s liberal and didn’t mean it” defense). Who ever decided that hipster racism/sexism/homophobia was cool and acceptable?!?!?

  90. Neecy wrote:

    Lady Mourge and Moni,

    Don’t hold your breath looking for any great numbers of White women or other races of women coming to the defense of Black women. While there are a few Non black women who will call him a “jerk” “douche” and other not so nice adjectives for his comments, the REALITY is, most will do nothing. White women (the majority not all) and others are somewhat flattered when they hear the confirmation that they are “superior” than Black women. If they were as truly affected by men openly targeting Black women, you’d see a number of all women speaking up and out about it. Fact is, they’ll sit back and shake their heads OR sit back and JUSTIFY these kinds of comments as simply being “preference”. I have actually seen more White women spewing that ‘preference” stuff on many different forums than anyone. That’s easy to say when you re not on the receiving end of all this unwarranted backlash for simply being a woman of a certain race.

    I’m of the belief a lot of males are just simply suffering with SOUR grapes b/c they could never get the Black woman they wanted. And since they know there is generally…well not generally but NO protection for the womanhood of Black women, they use public forums to spew their virtrol.

    So the fact is, Black women are in this by ourselves – AS USUAL. And for those waiting on BLACK MALES to come to the rescue, I really have to laugh uncontrollably – for the obvious. We’ll leave it at that.

    At the end of the day, as does all things and people who are treated UNJUST, there is always KARMA standing by our side. And better believe it won’t just be served up to those who OPENLY take pleasure in bashing Black women, but also the apathetic and the quiet.

    I’m actually looking forward to the day when Black women finally get our GOOD KARMA due us. I have yet to know what or how exactly its going to come, but it will. Patience my sisters. Patience!

    In the meantime STOP waiting on others to stand up for us. It aint gonna happen. You see we aren’t WHITE WOMEN deserving of being protected or being dealt with delicately.

  91. Neecy wrote:

    Oh and notice how no one wants to focus on the obvious here. he never answered the question of “do Black women throw themselves at you”. And the reason he didn’t and went into his ignorant diatribe is because the answer was a simple NO. Black women aren’t throwing themselves ay Mr. Mayer and he just couldn’t admit it without trying to turn the tables.

  92. Amanda Whelan wrote:

    @Moni: I’m at least one white woman, (Italian American) speaking out very angrily about this all over the net. He is so incredibly hateful and I don’t think he’s really sorry. Only sorry that his career maybe in question

    “Dark-haired Megan Fox doesn’t broaden or diversify society’s definition of beauty anymore than her fair-haired counterparts. She doesn’t represent some victory for the sisterhood! ”

    Absaf*ckinloutely true. Fox’s face and body has been so rearranged that she’s more of a victory for home robot sex dolls or raunch porno chic as opposed to a symbol of a pliant young woman having fun in Hollywood; in short she looks embalmed. I’m not necessarily opposed to plastic surgery but I think one should wait till they are 60 to get the full works done like that.
    Sophia Loren does broaden white ideals of beauty as does Penelope Cruz but they are few and very far between.

    Read this on Salon

    “This isn’t a Mel Gibson moment where somebody expressed deeply held racist feeling. This is a kid who said something badly, but who was trying to say something meaningful. Give him a break”

    It is a Mel Gibson moment MFKER! And Mayer is 32! 32. At 32 you’re no longer a kid. By the way, most of the British papers are only running the Jessica Simpson quotes so far. I guess someone has a European tour coming up.

    Beautiful , poignant quote from p_breedlove regarding raising her daughter on Salon:

    “My point was that there are healthier ways of dealing with this legacy than letting a loser like John Mayer or these other boys to affect her like this,i.e., “question everything about [her]self — how [she] stood, how [she] dressed, how [she] smiled, trying to figure out what [she] did so wrong that men simply stayed away.”

    Black women have been raising their daughters to understand that if they pay too much attention to the “cultural expectations” of white people they will go insane, which is why it is important to confront them with humour, defiance, and just utter irreverence. These qualities are absolutely essential for a black woman in this culture. She may not understand this now, but hopefully one day she will.”

    Mayer needs to vanish into a fog of skinny jeans and gerbils forever.

  93. B from NYC wrote:

    I was quite surprised about the comment JM made about black women. I only downloaded one of his songs: Wonderland, a few years ago and would delete it if I could remember which one of my cd’s it’s on. Out of all these years, something in my spirit just wouldn’t allow me to be interested in his music.

    I honestly believe that he was high on something before he did this interview because it doesn’t seem like he didn’t weight the cost of what he’d use by making such negative comments about black women and black people. What type of morally respectful person would do Playboy in the first place.

    Before his man whore came out, I actually thought he was kind of cute. Now, he’s more disgusting than poop and vomit on the side of the street.

    There’s nothing wrong with having preferences. Hell, my “preference” for foreign men saved me from dealing with the crap American men with his mindset put black women through in the first place. The problem becomes when you let the whole world know. Some things should just be kept to oneself, especially if the cost is greater than the benefit.

  94. ashlynn wrote:

    As an aspiring musician, and a lover of music, I am really so, so tired of artists, black and white alike, telling me how much they dislike me, don’t desire me, don’t even see me at all. Every day it gets harder and harder to find my place as a black woman in music because the artists and music I love bear some sort of malice towards black women- that’s why you don’t see us being the love interest, hearing our features be celebrated, seeing our faces, our ideas, front and center. It sucks that I have to cross yet another artist out, but you know what? It’s just another song for me to write, another reason to keep pushing…

  95. K.S. wrote:

    I’ve always had my suspicions that Mayer’s a douchebag, but this just sealed my judgement of him. One thing I find interesting in all of this: I am EXTREMELY pale/fair-skinned and all through school and even now people kind of make fun of me for it, calling me albino (and I’m not actually an albino). I’ve never felt beautiful as a white woman. I’ve always wanted darker skin and one of my beauty idols is Gabrielle Union- she’s so gorgeous! So it’s just interesting to read this post that talks about “white women’s idealized beauty.” I guess that it goes both ways- for Mayer and others there’s such a thing as too dark and then for others still there’s such a thing as too white.

  96. Marcy Webb wrote:

    The fact of the matter is, John C. Mayer is a racist, a sexist, a misogynist, and a homophobe – not in any particular order. And yet, what I find most disturbing from the plethora of Twitter comments on the topic is that many commenters – male and female, Black and White – want to give this guy a pass for all that he’s said, and reduce them to mere mistakes. Me locking my keys inside of my car is a mistake; John C. Mayer’s words are those of a person who represents the lowest form of humanity.

  97. Dr. Ivo Robotnik wrote:

    What an asshole. I wonder if my local top 40’s station will be playing any of his auditory borefests now.

    Seriously, though, if someone is that much of an ignorant dolt and don’t plan on changing that for the better any time soon, they ought to have the good sense to just shut up. Unfortunately, the dumb ones never do.

  98. Bollywood Billy wrote:

    John Mayer also pulled this racist stunt just in december 2009 – http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/006049.html
    – also, this interview if anything will give him that “white boy, rebel appear” much like how Justin Timberlake profited from the Janet Jackson incident at the Superbowl… John will continue to make millions, sell millions and this interview may in fact help him earn millions … oh and also, you’ll have some self-appointed “forgiver of racism ” who will come out and defend John Mayer… and next year when John Mayer makes, “Waiting on the world to change pt. 2 the remix” no will ever remember any of this… just like no one remembers when Eminem’s racist and misogynist song against black women was heard of, it all got dismissed because it was “part of his foolish past…” damn man… I mean even after these “artists” stole from black music, white boy musicians seem to get away with a lot… from elvis to mayer…

  99. Blackgirls wrote:

    I agree that he appeared to be taking a stab at racialized humor but, just like Silverman and unlike Carlin, he effed it up miserably because he was drunk and his subconscious internalized racism (and 10,00 other isms) spilled out to the surface like verbal vomit.

    I’m not pulling out a pitchfork on this dude because his bag looks mad heavy- personality disorder and/or substance dependency). I don’t date many white dudes for the most part not because I don’t find them sexy or lovable, but honestly because I yield to a wariness within my psyche about white men, that more of them think just like JM about black women than not. Then I’m bombarded with a second thought, that the whole world is brainwashed by this dehumanizing propaganda about black women in mass media, and I am glad to have this long-overdue discourse.
    John Mayer, perhaps your drunken battle studies with media and alcohol-induced ‘post traumatic white entitlement disorder’ may yet serve us all.

  100. pololly wrote:

    I feel like I’m living in surreal cuckoo crazy land here – WHICH BLACK PEOPLE WERE JOHN MAYER FANS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

    The man is and has always been a total douchebay. He’s gone so far past the line of misogyny that it’s parody.

    I’m sorry – this is a lesson about intersectionalism. When he was spewing hateful crap about women, no one cared? Now he’s shown himself to be a racist asshole, now it’s a problem?

    I’m a black woman and the ‘woman’ means something. I’d have been ashamed at any time to be promoting or supporting John Mayer and while this is making me hate him more, I have ZERO sympathy for the WOC whose dreams were shattered this week. The man is a straight up racist misogynistic homophobe. And always has been if you bothered looking.

    He is loathed outside of America – the guy is Tucker Max. Hell, he makes Tucker Max look good. He is the King of Douche Mountain. This guy is why the word twunt was invented! You like his music? So what? I bet those Neo Nazi twins make great music too – why not buy that? Good god. John Mayer…

    There are still a ton of black people defending him – his backing singers would probably be better off on a plantation because at least they could *see* their chains. Jesus Christ. This is one of those times where I actually feel like chiding the black community for allowing this BS to happen. I feel like Bill Crosby. Black people like John Mayer? I feel sick. John Mayer. The man is a douche. Who fell for this? Seriously? Who fell for this? A pseudo trendy white guy who likes to hang out with black people. Wake up to this shit black America. For God’s sake. It’s self esteem roundtable time, guys.

    I’m actually blown away. I actually feel embarassed for black fans of this guy. Embarassed. If you couldn’t spot this guy coming – I’m serious – your racist douchebag meter is so broken, it should seriously make you reexamine all of the personal relationships in your life.

    I’m just blown away. Black people like John Mayer. John. Mayer. I think I need a shower.

  101. Digital Coyote wrote:

    @brooksie: Never said anything about your lack of appropriate outrage.

    I said you sounded like an apologist.

    That’s my take on your take, no talk of faux hyperrealism, the shortcomings of the adolescent brain, dead movement redux, or a thinly veiled attempt at victim blaming (in the vein of “I’m sorry you were offended, but..”) to cloud it. I stand by it.

    If Mayer consistently acts like an ass and sounds like one, all the “that’s not what he really meant, honest” you throw at it isn’t going to stop people from concluding he is one and not just “misunderstood.”

  102. aleks wrote:

    I didn’t know a thing about the guy, now I know far too much, but I admit I’m curious about the 92 degree pool for Jews joke. Is it because we’re rich and can afford to waste energy? Is he saying he’s not that Jewish because he’s not cheap?

  103. aleks wrote:

    Oh, and if that crap isn’t self refuting enough his penis either hasn’t met half the beautiful, brilliant, elegant and interesting black women I have, or more likely it’s as stupid and clueless as he seems to be.

  104. beatrix wrote:

    Eh, Mayer’s always been a grade A prick who thinks far too much of himself for his own good. I’m inclined to agree w/ what another poster said – that this was some sort of ridiculous attempt at surrealist/dadaist humor on his part. I mean, half of the shit he said was completely nonsensical – “she’ll break your heart like a white girl”? WTF does that even mean? I think Mayer’s just your everyday narcissist, and he decided some manufactured controversy by way of outlandish confrontational ‘humor’ was was a good way to get some press.

    He wanted to be the enfant terrible and instead revealed himself to be a bigoted douchebag. Oops.

  105. Francine Hoenderkamp wrote:

    I was briefly reading something about this man yesterday and it took about 2 lines to realise that this man is a prize TWIT. I don’t think any more needs to be said about it. He is as intelligent as my sock.

    Please, sisters, don’t waste any more time entertaining his silly vocal contributions to the world, or any other contributions for that matter.

  106. Francine Hoenderkamp wrote:

    Although it is fun printing his words and thus, showing him for the TWIT he really is. Tee hee! x

  107. miga wrote:

    I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit while reading that interview.

  108. Aiyo wrote:

    When I first heard about the interview I was like “Who the hell is John Mayer”

    I have never heard of him before never heard a single song then I though why would they ask him those question and this guy is a fool about do black women throw them selves at him obviously not again who is he? I guess that’s the reason why he was like “I don’t even like them anyway” Good coz the vast majority couldn’t give two 2’s.

    How do black people like him what has he done? How are his struggles similar to black people he is a rich white guy! But what I am vexed about is people forgiving him for is lame apology. How does he get a “black pass” how is he an honary member of the black race? If he was they I hearby revoke his card just like some people did with Justin Timberlake and the whole Janet Jackson thing.

    if he does this ish a lot spewing garbage and all and I think this screenshot from family guy sums it up for me
    http://backoftheroom.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/thatsenoughjohnmayer.jpg

  109. blah wrote:

    Also, it is interesting that he never answers the question of whether black women throw themselves at him. Meyer just decides to attack them and says that he does the rejecting

  110. Mary wrote:

    There was also a story a couple of years ago from when Mayer was dating Jessica Simpson – for her birthday he gave her a dictionary (because she’s STUPID, you see). I personally have a long list of problems with Jessica Simpson and what she and her creepy dad represent, but I remember thinking, “WOW, that’s horrible.”

    Can you imagine what kind of shit he would pull if he actually did have a black girlfriend? Shudder.

  111. stagolee wrote:

    Emmet Till got lynched for less.

  112. Tamiko Peek wrote:

    On one of the Black Women’s Empowerment forums that I frequent, the idea has been bandied about of forming a sort of Black Women’s Anti-Defamation league. It is needed, and yet, for some reason, no one has actually gotten that up and running. Enough is enough. How much denigration and disrespect can one group of people face? No cavalry is coming for us, Black women. We have to do it ourselves.

    As for Mayer, I knew a person who was a BIG fan of his. Her fandom had been teetering due to recent comments of his. It’s time of death was yesterday, at 10:00 am when I sent her the link to those comments. He should not get one more dollar from any of the people he publicly attacked. Let white, straight men support him, since that’s the only group he didn’t attack!

  113. blackstocking wrote:

    JM’s apologies are lame…trying to blame the whole thing on his wanting to be a bad ass in the interview.

    I’m going to retrieve my one JM CD from the closet for the throwaway. Not because he doesn’t fine black women desirable.

    But because he is an idiot who is also a misogynist, a homophobe, and someone who thinks its cutesy to flirt w/ racism. David Duke penis? Hood pass? WTF?

    I really hope Jennifer Aniston is not still calling him- I hope all the Hollywood blondes take notice and put JM on ignore.

    Kerry needs to kneecap him at the next red-carpet event.

  114. Dorothy wrote:

    Who the hell is John “My-dick -is-sort-of- like-a- white-supremacist” Mayer?!?

    This “rant” sounded like a cheap attempt to sell his “music”.

  115. Michelle_2 wrote:

    @ K.S. (#94) — I can relate. I know it’s nothing compared to what black women and women of color have endured, but your point reminds me of the narrowness of the beauty ideal. Although white is crucial, it’s not enough to just be white — you’ve got to be the Right Kind of White. I remember feeling invisible when I was young because my white wasn’t the right white, and boys/young men never seemed to even see me, much less be attracted or want to date me.

    Luckily for me, my ‘look’ was attractive to older men so I wasn’t completely left out in the cold, but still. I know from experience that all by itself, even whiteness isn’t ‘enough’ to meet the standard. (Which probably says a lot about why some white women have held on to the idea of white superiority/supremacy — cold comfort is comfort nonetheless.)

  116. n wrote:

    I’ll preface my remarks by mentioning my father who,like another commenter and Chris Rock, is amazed that black peoples get upset (as in shocked and surprised) by the dislike, distaste, disgust that white people have for us.
    “What? YOU DIDN’T KNOW? THIS SHOCKS YOU? THIS IS A SURPRISE?? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?”
    Is what my father would say to me if I were to tearfully toss my JM cds, presuming I had any.

    Black conservatism- White folk are racist.This society is racist. Maybe we can get equal rights, equal pay, equal opportunities. But we’re absolute FOOLS if we also want their love and respect and approval.

    SO, on one level- sure call him out and point out that the promotion of certain ideas is wrong and perpetuates white supremacy and so forth. Boycott his music if you like, it may change his PUBLIC behavior and it may deter others from publicly being crude and ugly. Thats a good goal and perhaps attainable.

    But REALLY, as a POC in the US, if we get so emotionally tied up in what these people think of us and so HURT when we find they don’t, we’re going to be MISERABLE forever. FIGHT the power, fight the oppression, fight for better representation in media and so on. But do we honestly believe that EVERY company we spend our money on is owned and run by allies and not enemies?
    I like Miles Davis, he beat his wife. Do I buy his music or give good reviews to his CDs? Not sure. So I learn to separate the product from the producer if I can.

    I get the outrage in one sense, but on the other hand I do feel like if we worry about ourselves and our opinions AND can teach our kids and our men to not look to outsiders for validation and approval, we don’t really need to care if certain people find us ugly and undesirable. There will always be people who won’t like something, we cant change that. The thing IMO is to get people to stop looking to the media etc to form all their opinions, tastes and values. That includes white guys as well.

  117. octogalore wrote:

    What a disgusting interview.

    I agree with #11 Mickey and #33 Saf re “an erect penis knows no color” and “When have black women ever been considered unfuckable in pop culture?”

    I think Mayer was projecting his own racism onto his penis. He was conscious of his record of dating blondes and came up with something that he thought absolved his “big head” of blame. Total BS. His comments about Washington showed he’s attracted (and misogynistic) to black women as well as white. There is a reason he hasn’t (publicly) dated them and he is trying to run away from that.

    Despite para #2 above, I think deep down most people don’t have racial preferences in dating in the sexual sense, and that most so-called racial prefs in the romantic avenues are actually racism to the extent that they go beyond issues like height, weight, type. Most of us would describe our “type” in a certain way (eg, tall, muscular, full head of hair, strong features, body hair= my ideal) and while there might be more people of some races than others who fit it, it is rare that ones “type” would exclude one race.

    So I’m very skeptical when people talk about reasons for not being “attracted” to a certain race.

  118. Luisa wrote:

    I never liked him anyway–but maybe his white supremacist dick is just “waiting for the world to change” before it finds black women worthy. . .

    fortunately for the black women of the world it takes a little more than waiting to change the world

    john mayer = epic fail

  119. FadedOchre wrote:

    While I agree with the general consensus that this boy is a racist idiot, I REALLY wish that so many sisters would stop with the ’see, this is really what the world thinks of us’ comments.

    Of course everyone is entitled to their own thought processes, and no way would I dispute anyones own experiences. But a lot of what I am reading from other sisters online is along the lines of ‘well i always knew no one loved us’- I do not understand internalizing the rantings of a high, semi-talented, racist/sexist inbred fool. And the one thing I keep hearing that’s driving me nuts-did you hear what mayer said about Black women…he didn’t say anything about us, but he told a whole lot about himself. And now it has become a viral combo about the attractiveness of me and Black women collectively, like there aren’t about eleventy million of us in the world. The spewed venom of one joker can do that-smh. And in no way am I saying his comments should not be addressed at all, but it’s like we are all trying to understand the drunk guy over in the corner.

    And the image of those 2 Black female back up singers standing there holding hands and crying (like they were on an auction block) disgusts me almost as much as the interview itself. I am totally with pololly on this one: many of us need to grow a spine. I wonder if any of his Black male musicians asked John about that hood pass, but I already know the answer to that one.

  120. Multiracial Muse wrote:

    GDI all to HELL! IS THERE NOT ONE SINGLE WHITE ARTIST I CAN TRUST TO NOT BE AN ASSHAT IN PUBLIC, THUS FORCING ME TO ABANDON THEM UNTIL THEY RECEIVE ENLIGHTENMENT?*

    *Don’t answer that.

    I am revoking my humanity card forthwith. Let it be known across the blogosphere.

  121. Multiracial Muse wrote:

    P.S. – What miga said.

  122. Chicago wrote:

    He was, is, always will be irrelevant to me–and to most of my friends, thank goodness. Sadly, it took atrocious racist/sexist interviews, this one being the worst thus far (who wants to bet there will be more), to prove there were many sound reasons to label him as irrelevant, superficial, and self-serving. Plus, every time I see a picture of him I need to vomit.

    PLEASE BOYCOTT John Mayer. If you were unfortunate enough to have been a previous supporter of his “music” please delete his mp3s from your devices, drop his CDs into the garbage disposal, do what you need to do to save humankind from such an atrocity! If you continue to support him you are intentionally putting blinders on against the history and struggles of racism and sexism.

  123. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Douchebag Mayer was always a racist scumbag, what with his usage of the N word in his so-called “standup comedy” routine and as Bollywood Billy already pointed out with his racist heckling of a South Asian American comedian (with his quip of hearing ” a brown guy sounding like a white guy” for the first time or some such crap).

    And people who give him a pass by claiming that he “didn’t mean it” it was all a “slip of the tongue” are beng willfully ignorant because he’s alreay had several slips of the tonge when it come to spewing racist nonsense (not that even one slip should be excused of course).

    And he is not simply stating a “personal preference” as some people like to believe, he is making that preference public and shaping (or rather reinforcing) racist public opinion regarding the desirability of black women. And I’m sorry but he’s ugly as hell to me I think he only gets “hot women” to like him because of being a so-called “rocker/musician”.

  124. pinkie wrote:

    I was always bewildered by his meteoric rise to hipster royalty. I have to admit that whne he first appeared I was impressed with his chops, but as he became more of a “personality” I realized to my disappointment that he was just another self-absorbed ass, cashing in with his weak blues-pop, raking in the dough, and finally thinking he was royal enough to get a pass for being arrogantly clueless.. His apology is full of crocodile tears; I think he’s too old and has gone too long with his head too far up his ass to even come out of his fog and see what a sorry excuse for a man he is. Maybe someday when he’s an old forgotten geezer, noodling a guitar in a cheap apartment waiting for death, and there aren’t any famous idiots around to pander to his soft-headed thinking.
    Never really cared much about him, used to think I was missing something because I didn’t get it. Now I see that my instincts were spot on.

  125. Kat wrote:

    Given that this is tagged with so many different things, I suggest it gets its own category: Human Fail.

  126. Kat wrote:

    Or given that he was posturing in Playboy, maybe U-Man Fail.

  127. CAM wrote:

    I never was attracted to him or his music and I always thought he sorta looked like Edward Scissorhands. Half of what this creep said made absolutely no sense whatsoever and the other half managed to offend almost every segment of society. He was a bit too “V-E-R-Y.” He’s obviously a misogynist and has a deep-seated hatred of all women – not just Black women. I think he’s in the closet. That’s the only explanation I can think of for when he’s f–king girls, he thinks about f–king guys in the a$$.

  128. Brooklyn70 wrote:

    my first initial reaction was ‘what kind of rock star is that??!! i bet you mick jagger has been with all types of women.’

  129. Shelby wrote:

    @Pololly & FadedOchre
    So not only is the world pointing and laughing at me, Black people are joining in as well. Thank you, to whoever invented the concept of an Uncle Tom. It is so useful and constructive! Telling me I’m a dumbass who should be on a plantation really helps lift me up. I feel so enlightened now! Thanks, guys! I’ll go and let his backup singers know it’s *their* fault John Mayer humiliated them. What’s that, backup singers? You were just trying to live life and go about your singing careers? Tough shit! You should’ve thought of that before John Mayer decided to spew hate.

    Seriously though guys, I’m the first to admit my self esteem is shit. And believe me, I blame myself for not anticipating his hatred. I hate myself for not anticipating his hatred. It’s my fault. I feel stupid. Just like I’ve always felt stupid when a white friend/mentor/teacher turns against me. “I should’ve KNOWN better! I’m so dumb! I might as well still be a slave!” This internalization shit runs deep. Blame the victim. Blame myself. Always, always blame the coon.

    I get where you guys are coming from, I do. But the lack of empathy and the name-calling makes these racist attacks even worse for us naive, shuck&jivin negroes.

  130. Brooklyn70 wrote:

    my first initial reaction was ‘what kind of rock star is that??!! i bet you mick jagger has been with all types of women.’
    i’m really disappointed in his comments. a white dude goes on dave chapelle and performs with jay-z and kanye and now he thinks he’s down with the black race.

  131. Moni wrote:

    Tamiko Peek,

    I agree, we need to start organizing or at least joining those organizations / collectives that are holding people accountable. I am definitely interested in getting something started. Anyone else? Are there groups already organizing that people are aware of?

  132. FadedOchre wrote:

    @ Shelby,

    It’s sad that the only name calling I have seen in this thread (aside from references to Mayer) are those ugly words you have used to satirize yourself. And I have not seen any sentiment that blames the victim, and wasn’t my intention to minimize anyone’s hurt. But I am truly trying to get how the breakdown of a celebrity affects your self esteem not just as a WOC, but simply as a human being? And I don’t know what type of empathy you are looking for-but I have seen numerous comments in one day blasting this clown. And I would love for him to be boycotted and ruined, but we all know that ain’t gonna happen as many others have said. Even if he was another moron is waiting in the wings.

    And why do you feel like the “whole world is pointing and laughing” at you? I’ll tell you what, I am a brown skinned, tall curvy Black woman-I got up this morning and had no problems turning heads on my way into this morning (even though I feel slightly busted without makeup today, isn’t that how it works). In no way do I feel like my role in society as an attractive woman has been demolished because of this bs. Again, I am glad there is outrage behind it (now i would have been p’od if it was ignored)-but let it affect me emotionally? Nah. What annoys me the most is the presumption this man had that there is an interest from the sista corner. But that is just me, I am not saying you should suck it up, and I am truly sorry if that was implied and you’re hurt about that also. But why would you blame yourself for not anticipating this drivel? You enjoyed his music, he’s a Douchenstein (my new fave adjective i read on another site) and that’s not your fault. There are writers and filmmakers that I greatly admired for their work, but once I found out about their racism/Anti-Semitism/misogyny that was a wrap for me. I did not flog myself for it, and neither should you. You’re human.

  133. Eva wrote:

    @FadedOchre

    “While I agree with the general consensus that this boy is a racist idiot, I REALLY wish that so many sisters would stop with the ’see, this is really what the world thinks of us’ comments. ”

    I agree. I mean why should I, a 50 year old woman care about what this asshole thinks about me? In fact the types of people who say nonsense like this are jerks anyway, people I’d never even want to meet.

    I bet David Duke probably wonders, “who the hell is John Mayer?”

  134. FadedOchre wrote:

    Eva-that is hilarious. Wouldn’t it be some ish if duke is mad that mayer’s pe– is not worthy of carrying his name? Add the grand poobah (whatever he is) to the list mayer should apologize to.

  135. Shelby wrote:

    @Faded Ochre
    I understand. I was mostly responding to the comment polloly made. That’s where I got the victim-blaming vibe from.
    I responded to you as well cuz you said you agreed with her point about the backup singers:
    “…his backing singers would probably be better off on a plantation because at least they could *see* their chains. Jesus Christ.”
    And you said: “And the image of those 2 Black female back up singers standing there holding hands and crying (like they were on an auction block) disgusts me almost as much as the interview itself.”

    I get a lil poetic/melodramatic when I write so please forgive me :) I used those words to talk about myself cuz I think they’re kind of at the root of all the “Ur stupid if ur Black & listen to his music” sentiment. (Think BET awards when everyone was calling it the coon awards)
    I was just trying to get across the point that what John Mayer said just adds to an atmosphere of dehumanization I/we deal with every day. This magazine interview triggered feelings from previous experiences I’ve had now & as a kid. A friend calls me the N-word and my fam tells me, “Well you knew better than to trust white ppl in the first place!” And that’s kind of the sentiment I got from polloly’s comment & some others that are along the lines of, “Who ARE these women that liked him in the first place?!” Which compounded w/ the gen. pop who’s saying, “Mayer only said how most ppl feel!” Makes it hard to center THE ACTUAL BLAME-WORTHY actor in the whole situation– John Mayer himself.
    Basically I just hate, hate, hate our tendency to separate ourselves into “Educated, self-respecting Black ppl” and “Coon, Self-hating Black ppl.” I think it’s definitely worth talking about when Black ppl maintain their ties w/ racist white ppl. But I think we need to ask WHY we’re/they’re doing it. That’s what I mean by empathy– critiquing the system that puts those Black women in the position to HAVE to chose between their jobs and supporting racism. Whether or not you think they’re self-hating is not the issue. The problem is John Mayer. The problem is the racism that puts us ALL OF US in these situations. We are all trying to survive out here. And I think it’s AWESOME that the crap celebrities say doesn’t bother you. I loved what you said about JM’s comments only being about HIMSELF. It’s so true that it has nothing to do with who we really are. But a lot of women, myself included, get bogged down by media images dehumanizing us. And that’s ok. I don’t think anyone should be ashamed for acknowledging when something hurts. Especially for Black women, I think accepting vulnerability is brave and radical. We’re people not superheroes :)

  136. Nissa wrote:

    Words escape me…..I don’t have anything intellectual to add because I don’t think this kind of moronic rambling deserves it.

    I don’t know how to respond to someone saying they are ‘V-E-R-Y’….I am surprised he doesn’t refer to himself in the third person…
    My brain is totally confused here but not at all surprised. I always wondered how he got any women…and the fact he has to boast about how good he is….just classless.

    Ladies- just because some random V-E-R-Y white dude doesn’t want to bang you…it doesn’t mean you need to feel bad about it…

    Last time I checked- he is rough, self important and his music is mostly dull and having a rough guy want you is worse than having no guys want you….

    I had to laugh at the ‘that’s why black people love me’ comment….what a class A twit.

  137. bdsista wrote:

    cosign Neecy, you are sounding like Sojourner Truth today, and “Arn’t I a Woman?” She didn’t say Ain’t her 1st language was Dutch actually, but yes sista PREACH!

    didn’t really know who he was, got the heads up from the Black Snob blog and read the entire thing and was disgusted, agast, just can’t even describe the feeling when someone compares their penis to the Klan and David Duke! Won’t buy his music, won’t listen to it, but deeply disturbed at the comments defending him on MTV and other sites.
    Tamiko I want in too, this shit has to stop.

  138. Michelle wrote:

    Look, growing up was tough for me, and without regaling you all with the numerous events that assaulted my self esteem, suffice it to say that I grew up in a predominately White community at a time when White boys dating Black girls was not the move, troop!

    For me, John Mayer represented the type of White guy for whom race didn’t matter. He might have dated me in high school. We could have been a part of a group of kids where we were all sort of outcasts and misfits and we could all be hippie dreamers together.

    Now, there are those lucky and awesome people in the world whose self-esteem is just indestructible. I have seen those women, who stride about it the world in a blaze of confident and sexy glory. I bask in their wake. For some of them, it is an innate quality, just as natural as breathing, but for others, it is a hard won victory.

    Then there are the rest of us, who fall on some spectrum of natural levels of self esteem, and for those of us who are Black women, many of us have day to day struggles with feeling ignored or invisible and it is worse depending upon your profession and the part of the US that you inhabit. So that is why this John Mayer debacle hits home for Black women, especially Black women who were his fans. See, there are those of us who know what it is to be invisible simply because of the color of our skin. I mean, we as Black women are literally ASSAULTED everyday, but this…this! Following the heels of the Vanity Fair cover, we as Black women should be allowed to show our extreme hurt, disappointment and sorrow over this statement. We should not be expected to show a brave face and act like it doesn’t affect us. Now, if you are not in the category where it hurts you, great….send some love and good juju our way. We need you guys! For the rest of us, let’s form these groups, organizations and collectives. I am down. Click on my name and it will lead you to a site and we can get this party started.

  139. cityofspheres wrote:

    Aiyo and Dorothy – right on, until today I didn’t know who John Mayer was. Guess his little publicity stunt worked.

    Shelby – right on too, one doesn’t have to like a musician’s personality to like their music. Same for other kinds of “art” – Bukowski was a misogynist asshole, and look at all the literary adoration he gets. In fact, using the services of an accountant at tax time, is it necessary to like that accountant’s personality, or just his work? Of course John Mayer wields more power than an accountant, but only because we let him.

  140. Iggles wrote:

    Have you guys seen this? I heart Roger Ebert.
    A real man respects women — all women.

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  141. Neecy wrote:

    Michelle,

    you are human and its natural at some point to feel some kind of emotion towards these kinds of public floggings and daily actions (or lack thereof) against BW. Some BW get angry. Some don’t give a flock. Some take it with a grain of salt. Some are extremely hurt.

    Either way, Not all BW are monolithic. Some of us can simply see this ish for what it is while others like yourself maybe cannot process that way. Doesn’t make you less of a person or weak. Just unable to seperate and process this crap for what it really is.

    At the end of the day what matters most is understanding that people will continue to be walked on and over until they start fighting back. And BW have YET to fight our battles. We are always fighting for someone else. Where has this gotten us? NOWHERE. All the people and things BW have sacrificed for in this country and we are still expected to take crap like this lying down?

    Frankly, its not about who likes who and what. its about the way in which society, media and particula people feel the need to see BW as thier personal punching bag. period.

    BW should have been ready to march and move out a long time ago.

  142. Greg Dragon wrote:

    Strange to say this but I feel like the race struggle has shifted focus to black women specifically this year. 2010 has started out pretty roughly with stuff like this, the successful but single meme and the ABW label. Now white celebs find it okay to diss a whole race of women in an interview.

    What the hell is going on?

  143. ladydai wrote:

    Ok, As a woman of color, I don’t know anyone black women who are big fans. I’ll admit liking one song because of the music, but even then, the references to “skin like porcelain” gave me a hint of his preference.

    In my opinion, the “hood pass” he claims probably came from black men in the hiphop industry.

    My concerns about the interview was the whole, “I’m so happy to have white privilege” vibe, that came through. The whole “Benetton” heart (Benetton gets a kick out of stunning images of poverty stricken, subservient black people) and the “I don’t go to restaurants and get told, “we’re full”

    The whole thing about not being open to black women, doesn’t alarm me. So what, that’s his preference. However, the white supremacist reference implied that dating a black woman would render him impure, or dirty.

  144. g531 wrote:

    I started to read; I was enraged, I was disgusting and I was also bringing to mind so many people whose words, actions, etc, would fit into this box Mr. Mayer has painted to himself. Then I thought…I love myself, my sisters, brothers, mothers and all other people to continue reading this. It will come in useful and in comparison with the Bilerico Report’s correspondent response, it is just as informative and critical. Again, though, shame on Playboy for publishing these words–any of them. He’s not worth the trees used to publish the article.

  145. dude007 wrote:

    what black rappers have said this? all i’ve EVER heard from a black rapper is how they want to “tap that ass” of black women.

  146. ladydai wrote:

    @ Michelle, “For me, John Mayer represented the type of White guy for whom race didn’t matter. He might have dated me in high school.”

    What made you think this way about him? I’m sorry, I’m not getting it.

  147. Amanda Whelan wrote:

    I LOVE Roger Ebert! He’s married to a beautiful buxom black civil rights attorney and Chaz Hammel-Smith and he wrote the script for the cult classic “Beyond The Valley of The Dolls” (not to be confused with “The Valley of The Dolls”) which still has the only fleshed out sexy black romance (actually love triangle) that I’ve ever seen on the silver screen within a multi-racial cast.

    No real under current of racial politics despite the camp factor either, they have total equal footing with the other chatters in every way. Randy, Pet and Emerson Thorne: “ambitious Law student” -great film. More balls than any stupid John Meyer concert , that’s for sure. I love Roger even more now~!

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  148. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Don’t know why my comment didn’t come through last time so I’m trying again:

    Douchebag Mayer is a racist prick no doubt about it. It started with his “standup routine” in which he dropped the N word a couple of times, continued with his racist heckling of a South Asian American stand up comedian (calling him a “brown guy that talks like a white guy”) as Bollywood Billy’s already pointed out, and now leads to this Playboy nonsense.

    Whoever says to give this guy a break because “he didn’t mean it” it was all a “slip of the tongue” is being willfully ignorant. He’s had way too many slips of the tongue to reveal he’s a racist and misogynist. And I’m sorry but they guy is ugly as hell the only reason he’s been getting “hot women” is because of his so-called “rocker/musician” persona.

  149. misty lavender wrote:

    What a CREEP!! I never liked him and now I know why!! I am turned off by him and I hope Taylor Swift will get away from him before he gives her an STD! “Douche bag” is the perfect adjective for JM!!

  150. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    Oh, one more thing – somebody needs to tell John Mayer that, despite his claims of having a “David Duke penis” he would be ineligible for Ku Klux Klan membership, because of his Jewish ancestry.

    Also, does David Duke have a John Mayer penis?

  151. Westerly wrote:

    I’m more concerned that his back-up singers were weeping instead of walking out on his hypocritical, musically-mediocre ass? WTH?) than by this specifc display of idiocy, bigotry, ugliness, and pantless arrogance.

    Speaking for myself, why on earth would I be lameting that someone who is that patently stupid, that crass, cliched and who is hermetically sealed in a perpetual state of fratboy-dom and arrested development – *isn’t* attracted to black women, and seems to feel that everyone that isn’t white, male and straight is a target for ridicule or disdain?

    Even though I have my own esteem issues, have primarily grown up in predominantly white communities almost all my life, and hate the way MSM bombards black women with negativity and disdain – still…

    *John Mayer*!?!? Never. It has nothing to do with being ‘awesome’ or ‘indestructible’ or striding around as Michelle (#132) suggests. I’m not stronger than anyone else or less human, and I’m sure the same is true for Pollolly, Neecy and many others. It’s just about having a Lowest Common Denominator that you’re not willing to stoop below.

    Thing is John Mayer isn’t a hard case to discern.

    He’s a manchild, a tool and a cesspool. He has openly, publicly and repeatedly been that way for years now. Which is why I genuinely don’t understand how this moment is functioning as a grand ‘reveal’ for his fans when he’s been showing his ass for so long.

    I’m wholly, utterly with Pollolly on this. For starters, I’m not at all a fan of his music. Other than the decidedly limp, cheap, paper-thin faux-blues meets weak, watery pop, what has always repelled me is the facade of saccharine sentimentality that coats his music. It’s always come across as creepy, corny, slimy, and deeply disingenuous – as if it’s masking something rather unpleasant underneath.

    It’s rife with fake “sincerity”. Funnily enough, men can usually spot it from a mile away. Or as my partner disdained: “Look John Mayer is like that guy who is trying to get into some girl’s panties, but who pretends to be deep, meaningful, and harmless; he wants to fuck her but pretends that he ‘only’ wants to be her friend.” And for whatever reason, women eat that crap up.

    “Your Body is an Amusement Park?” How ‘romantic’. I almost liked “Daughters” until I got past the posturing and strumming and actually *listened* to the incredibly sexist lyrics which made my stomach churn. And what can you really say about the privilege that is involved in getting to sit on your ass and wistfully ‘wait’ for the world to change? But that’s the key thing – listening.

    I’m not his fan, but I’ve heard some of the stuff he’s said before (about white women, about gays), I’ve seen how he treats his girlfriends. So hurt or no hurt I have to ask this: Have his black female followers (especially if they are long-time followers) been stuffing cotton wool in their ears and blindfolding themeselves – save for this particular incident? And if so, why is that?

    To put it bluntly, this isn’t “why didn’t you see this one coming” but the more pressing “how/why didn’t it *bother* you before?” Why you were content to support him until now? And: what will you do in from here on in?

    (Guess you learn something new everyday, because until this happened I had no idea that this black female base even existed…)

  152. uu wrote:

    Maybe we can all have a chance to really self-reflect on john mayer’s interview on March 7th when its happy black woman day and say to everyone around us that we respect and support black woman and vilify those that don’t.

  153. Elizabeth wrote:

    OMG – John Mayer is FREAK and NOT in a good way. Anybody who fucks him from this point forward is a freak too. OMG.

  154. BSK wrote:

    Oi vei, I posted this to Facebook and already have a friend arguing that he was just joking, pointing out the “racist double-standard” of black people being able to use a word that white people can’t, and that people shouldn’t have been offended by it.

    Any advice on how to respond without flying off the handle?

  155. MedusaComplex wrote:

    Call me crazy, but I never expected intellegent and balanced people to give interviews in Playboy, anyway–especially not since the 60’s…. Never like the guy’s milquetoast music, never thought much about him, and I don’t care what his peen prefers, and I think most women, black, white or otherwise should stop caring too and let him fade into obscurity like Michael Richards. Some people want you to be “impressed” by them whether it’s negative or positive. I do hope that black male artists he’s worked with call him on this, and thereby defend us black women—but this is the “fame industry”, so I’m not holding my breath.

  156. yay wrote:

    But his music is sooooo good. He sounds so “smart” in his songs. But wow.

    I know a lot of the rage deals with what he said about Jews and POC, but is anyone catching what he’s saying about white women? Becky! Becky! Becky!

    Becky is a term used to imply white women give blowjobs casually and thus have a “no big deal” attitude about it …which is why Mayer thinks Washington would break hisheart like a white girl by saying she sucked his penis first, no big deal….because in Mayer’s head white girls love sucking penis and who sucked whose penis FIRST is a big deal to white women…

    So while black women aren’t good enough to sleep with to Mayer, it seems to be (at least one reason) because black women (according to Mayer) aren’t promiscuous enough…..

    Douchebag.

    This is why girls never are quite sure when its okay to have sex and not have sex…. either way their going to be knocked down for their modesty or sexual appetite (which translates to PROMISCUITY for people who believe women can only either be nuns or hoes when it comes to sex)….. and of course which end they are knocked down for depends on their social caste!

    TOO CONFUSING!

    Talk about having racist, sexist comments about everrrryyyboooddy.

  157. JamaicanKAT wrote:

    @BSK— I had a somewhat similar conversation with a “friend” over face book. Here is my reply: wrought with academic arguments (you’ll find those in quotes) :

    “The word Ni99er carries with it much of the hatred and repulsion directed toward Africans and African Americans. Historically, ni99er defined, limited, and mocked African Americans. It was a term of exclusion, verbal justification for discrimination. Whether used as a noun, verb, or adjective, it reinforced the stereotype of the lazy, stupid, dirty, worthless parasite” (Pilgrim).

    “Can the word be used in a context that makes it allowable for all people? Clearly, the answer is no. The answer is no because the use of nigger across all races leaves blacks susceptible to its derogatory use and opens the prospect of their being deceived by someone who will quickly deny that this was his/her original intent. Then how will one ever know if the word is really being used racially or endearingly? “Use of the word ni99er by everyone, (including white people) suggests that the history of the word has little significance. Or that as time progresses the original use of the word can and should be forgotten. But how could the oppressive use of ni99er be forgotten if African Americans are still not guaranteed some of the same privileges that the word ni99er denied hundred of years ago?

    As a solution, I would leave the destiny of that word to those that DO have to deal with that word, regardless if their is a double standard of its uses based on skin pigmentation. Double standards have been used against minorities constantly without serious indignation from the majority, however when the opposite occurs in regards to minorities the majority cries foul. Tolerance, like Freedom has a price. People are human and make mistakes. Intolerance has a higher price, so the judgment call is clear.

    Feel free to use it verbatim if you like. I hope this helps some.

  158. Encantada wrote:

    What a vile, sexist bigot! I hope all the people of color who know him — like the musicians and singers who back him up and the hip-hop artists who’ve collaborated with him — challenge him about these comments. He chose to put out these ideas in the media, so people who know him should question him and point out how stupid, arrogant, and offensive the things he said are.

    His comments about black women are insulting. The way he speaks about women, especially women with whom he’s had relationships, is patronizing and disrespectful, though, so it doesn’t sound like it’s any loss to be excluded from his dating pool. Associating his penis with a Grand Wizard of the KKK should render him un-f*ckble to all sane people.

  159. ashlynn wrote:

    Though I agree with most of the comments, it really doesn’t help that every other one I keep reading “I don’t know any black people who listen to him…What black people know/like/care about him anyway?” It’s a kick in the face to the many black women who were(operative word) fans of Mayer’s. It’s as if you’re saying, “That was dumb of you to like white music anyway.”

    I may not be as articulate as most on this site, but what I clearly see here is attempt- whether intentional or not- to take away the right to be an individual from many black women. Saying that we shouldn’t like X music is saying that we have to fit a mold of what black women are expected to. It says a lot that so many black women did embrace an artist whom many people, particularly those of color, see as milquetoast; vanilla. Because strong black women don’t do vanilla. Right? ;)

    As a former fan of John Mayer, one who loved his work as a musician and not a personality, who loved to sing his songs because they made me comfortable vocally and I could identify with them, I really don’t appreciate the snark coming off of a lot of these comments. I don’t defend Mayer’s words and actions in any way, and so I don’t expect to be bashed or laughed at as if I had.

  160. Pipe down, Mayer. wrote:

    It’s telling that John hasn’t been involved with a black woman, considering he’s obsessed with black music and culture. That was one early sign of assholery to come.

    (Playing the blues and dating Jessica Simpson are just not compatible activities, by the way; you can’t eat Privilege Puffs for breakfast and then play good blues by night.)

  161. CassandraSays wrote:

    Wow, it’s like he tried to hit every square on every single prejudiced asshole bingo card all at once. And succeeded. If there’s anyone who’s not a straight white guy with no brains who isn’t offended, please raise your hand. Also, the David Duke penis thing…so what he’s saying is that his penis wants to burn crosses on people’s lawns? Well alrighty then. And then he whines about how lately women (the ones he deems worthy) don’t seem to want to date him – gee, I wonder why?

    (For me, the lyrics to that “Daughters” song alone would have been a giant red flag)

    Side note – I wish I could say his ignorant self-centered jackassery was uncommon in the music industry, but I’d be lying. Though most people at least have the brains not to be this obnoxious on the record.

    Also, if the DSM-5 needs an example to illustrate Narcisstic Personality Disorder, well, this interview would be a good place to start.

  162. Di wrote:

    think I just threw up on my mouth…his remarks are offensive!!!

  163. miga wrote:

    I used to be a John Mayer fan, okay? And it was because I don’t do the whole tabloid thing. I had very little idea about how big of a jerk he was until I started getting more into magazines and ET, etc.
    So yes, it is possible to hear someone’s music on the radio, think it’s nice and then pick up the CD.
    Numerous BW have stated here that they liked his music, so I don’t understand why others on this site still ask “WHO are these BW who like him, and how were they that STUPID?” Sounds like victim blaming to me, and not helpful in the slightest.

  164. Michelle wrote:

    Co-sign ashlynn.

    @ ladydai,

    This from Mayer:

    This is a call to the color-blind
    This is an IOU
    I’m stranded behind a horizon line
    Tied up in something true

    Also, the lyrics to No Such Thing pretty much summed up my entire high school experience. And not to equate being black with being an outcast, however, in my world…being black did mean that you were an outcast, especially if you didn’t do what black people were “supposed” to do.

    Art is supposed to be universal. A man in China who paints a picture can reach all the way through that picture and touch the heart of a young woman living in Canada. It reaches through time and space and the receiver is SUPPOSED to be able to put their own experiences and life squarely in the middle of art, whatever the medium. So yes, I did think of John Mayer, someone who so spoke my experiences and touched my life, would be the type of person who wouldn’t be racist and soul-less. That is why he REPRESENTED the type of person for whom race wouldn’t be an impediment to a relationship.

    I hope that answers your question.

  165. Michelle wrote:

    Oh, and I never knew that JM had a history of being like this in his interviews. So, yes, it is a shock and no, I didn’t have cotton in my ears. I liked his music, and I don’t subscribe to Rolling Stone mag. I am too busy reading Racialicious!

  166. Sean wrote:

    I agree, those comments along the lines of “How could you have listened to his music if you are black?” are skirting danderously close to “You listen to rock music? Black people don’t do that.” I don’t follow the tabloids, so I’m not really up on celebrity gossip. Don’t berate Mayer for his ignorance, then display same.

    I just returned Mayer’s Continuum cd to my local music emporium for store credit. My house (and ipod) are now Mayer-free zones.

  167. Dee wrote:

    Offensive remarks, but I am not surprised anymore –
    Eric Clapton comes to mind:

    Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. Wogs I mean, I’m looking at you. Where are you? I’m sorry but some fvcking wog…Arab grabbed my wife’s bum, you know? Surely got to be said, yeah this is what all the fvcking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that’s just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fvcking (indecipherable). I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fvcking wogs, man. Fvcking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fvcking Jamaicans and fvcking (indecipherable) don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fvcking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fvck’s sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he’s a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he’s our man, he’s on our side, he’ll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he’s on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!

    Quoted in Rebel Rock by J. Street. First Edition (1986). Oxford: Basil Blackwell. pp. 74-75. Street’s sources are editions of the New Musical Express, Melody Maker and the Guardian

  168. Nicole wrote:

    Guy’s a marketing genius.

    I never heard of him until the article about his klansmen dick showed up on Salon.com. Now I know his name, and am curious about his music. I probably won’t buy his music, but I might look him up on youtube.

    Can’t buy this type of publicity!

  169. Sandy wrote:

    I am just dumb founded at how gorgeous Jenniffer Aniston dated this douche bag not once but twice. He is so wrong on so many levels it is difficult to believe she was oblivious to his stupidity. On this interview he manages to diss her again by saying she wants to go back to 1998 and that she is not up to today’s technology. What an ass!!!

  170. Valkyrie607 wrote:

    So… if John Mayer has a hood pass and a white supremacist dick, does that mean that only his dick gets a beatdown when he goes to the hood?

  171. Sonnyboy wrote:

    @ Sandy

    Since when does Gorgeous=Smart? I don’t read the tabs often, but none of them that have ever read intone that Aniston is smart— only that we should all sympathize that this epitome of American beauty (which I don’t get by the way, but as Mayer’s remarks crassly indicate, everyone has a preference) keeps getting dumped by A list Hollywood men despite her presumed position near the top of the pyramid of white women.

    In fact its often implied that she is needy and not very deep which could follow that she and Mayer were pretty well suited.

    I am going a bit left here, but I smell the makings of more publicity not only for Mayer, but Aniston–who already is on the covers of more magazines than anyone even when she’s making movies she can’t carry. She and Simpson (who hasnt had any press since being dumped by Romo) will be seen as the poor helpless victims of this shameless cad..sort of like Taylor Swift at the hands of Kanye West’s jerkiness.

    I can already see multiple the tab headlines now about how these poor damsels are dealing with what Mayer said about them.

    The women really insulted-Kerry Washington –and collectively black women will get no further discussion beyond the blogosphere.

    Was never a fan of Mayer’s and now even more glad not to be though I thought he did great at Jackson’s funeral. Now ashamed I wrote about it on Facebook, ugh!

  172. Leo Bratton wrote:

    I read the John Mayer interview yesterday, and it was breathtaking. Kudos to Mayer for his bare-it-all honesty, but some things are best left unspoken. What the interview was was a snapshot of the inner mind of a vapid, self-involved celebrity. I’m certain there are many rappers, country singers, actors, and sports stars – of every color and sexual leaning – that are just as bad as Mayer, but at least smart enough to keep it to themselves. My though when I finished the interview was “what a jerk”. And in the end, that’s all Mayer is; a jerk. If I were a black woman, I would be GLAD that Mayer wasn’t attracted to me!

  173. RCHOUDH wrote:

    @Dee

    Wow I never knew Clapton was a racist ass too! Thanks for bringing this to attention. Unfortunately with all the adoration he gets for being a “muscal legend” I doubt people will phase him out so easily. Hopefully Mayer won’t get that benefit because he’s far from being considered a “musical legend”!

  174. Celeste wrote:

    One thing mentioned on another blog is who decided to ask the question: Do black women throw themselves at you?

    That question by itself is allllll kinds of messed up.

  175. miga wrote:

    Just found the Rolling Stone issue with Mr. Klu-Kulx-Kock lying around my room. Tossed it right in the garbage! woot!

  176. honeypot13 wrote:

    Shelby – your #131 post kicks ass girl… I feel same way… I have never had superhuman confidence – I wont even get into the factoring reasons… and I think it’s great that others do… but as a black woman who grew up loving rock and roll and dated a white guy who was a “friend” that later expressed racist tendencies on the behalf of his father (and thus himself too, I believe) I have always struggled with “what is acceptable behavior as a black woman dealing with other’s racist views?” This John Mayer thing too precipitated some old feelings/opening of wounds – and I had to literally write my ex a letter saying how those things hurt me very deeply *As of now I ain’t giving it to him though, it was more for me… although he does need to know that being racist is NOT ok… sigh, I’ll decide later for sure* and I was so upset – sobbing and hyperventilating… how could I – a supposed educated, bright, and attractive black girl – be stupid enough to fall for a friggin racist??? I had to forgive me, and let that ish go finally…How long will we take the blame and the brunt of other’s ignorance??? I let the shame go, and thank God that my parents did not raise me to race hate.

  177. pinksghetti wrote:

    Even though “Your Body Is a Wonderland” is my jam, I kinda got a look into his preference when he says “your skin porcelain” .

  178. BBC123 wrote:

    I find John Mayer’s interview disturbing in many ways. All of which are equally offensive to all women regardless of race. It is a shame that our celebrity should vocalize such toxicity into our mainstream culture. As it is not really needed – we already have enough garbage at our finger tips. It is such a shame to have a public figured known for sensitivity and pro-world change (think of lyrics for Daughters and Waiting for the World to Change) bashing women, homosexuals, religion and race. I am very disappointed in this musician I once admired.

  179. pinksghetti wrote:

    I understand some people are saying don’t take what John Mayer said hurt your feelings (if you’re a BW) that’s true but to me he is just a symbol of what too many people (of all races, both genders) believe and that’s why it is offensive. It’s like some have said, this is yet another reminder of how BW are seen as not good enough. Unless a person is either in denial or have super high self-esteem (ie, live in a fantasy, LOL) they would know this is something that is continually in your face in the USA.

  180. nicepebbles wrote:

    I’m going to piggyback on the comments that have been made about how us fans, especially those that are black women should have seen this coming. (Before I go on: To suggest he wouldn’t have one black female fan makes assumptions about black women about what black women should listen to and our bad taste if we listen to music that’s deemed lame even though musical taste is very subjective.) It’s entirely possible to be a fan of someone, or even just aware of them, and not know how crazy, violent, racist, sexist, and/or homophobic they are.

    I’d heard for awhile that he was douchebag but always in relation to the fact that he dates a lot of women. So what? He dates a lot. Doesn’t necessarily make him a douchebag. (You Google the word and all kinds of websites come up that tell you what a douchebag on very subjective and sometimes ridiculous criteria.) Other than that, I’d never heard anything about him being how he came across in this interview and I don’t live under a rock. I also wasn’t willfully ignorant. That’s not I live my life.

    I don’t appreciate the tone of those comments of how ’stupid’ we were. I also don’t see what purpose they serve. Perhaps I’m missing something about how they further the discussion on what happened and what he means. To me those kinds of comments only serve to further the idea that you can’t trust white people. Now I”m not saying that the rationale for that belief is crazy but I don’t see how that belief improves race relations. I liked that believe to it’s no different than a woman constantly telling her daughter to never trust a man, a man hurts the daughter in some way, and now the daughter thinks her mom was right along and gives any man after that first one hell. It’s not a perfect analogy but hopefully you guys get what I’m saying.

    I would like to know why the interview even asked that question about black women? Admittedly, I haven’t read the whole Playboy interview (not ready for the full thing) but it seems to me from comments from people who read it, there’s no context for the question.

    I did read the LA Time interview of the Playboy interviewer. That doesn’t help me understand the Playboy interviewer’s motivation.

    At another site, someone actually said (paraphrasing), “Well rappers talk shit about black women and no one says anything.” I had to laugh. A) It’s safe to say that the contributors and readers here know there are people who condemn rappers for their sexist attitudes. B) So a subgroup of larger group treats another subgroup like shit? That means it’s okay to promote that kind of behavior among other larger groups? Whoever is degrading another should be condemned for it no matter who is “getting away” with it.

    The last thing I want to say is, I get the arguments about separating the artist from the art. I’ve done it in the past. But where do you draw the line? Finding out someone is a racist, sexist, homophobic moron is not the same as finding out someone cheated on their wife.

  181. nicepebbles wrote:

    I’m going to piggyback on the comments that have been made about how us fans, especially those that are black women should have seen this coming. (Before I go on: To suggest he wouldn’t have one black female fan makes assumptions about black women about what black women should listen to and our bad taste if we listen to music that’s deemed lame even though musical taste is very subjective.) It’s entirely possible to be a fan of someone, or even just aware of them, and not know how crazy, violent, racist, sexist, and/or homophobic they are.

    I’d heard for awhile that he was douchebag but always in relation to the fact that he dates a lot of women. So what? He dates a lot. Doesn’t necessarily make him a douchebag. (You Google the word and all kinds of websites come up that tell you what a douchebag on very subjective and sometimes ridiculous criteria.) Other than that, I’d never heard anything about him being how he came across in this interview and I don’t live under a rock. I also wasn’t willfully ignorant. That’s not I live my life.

    I don’t appreciate the tone of those comments of how ’stupid’ we were. I also don’t see what purpose they serve. Perhaps I’m missing something about how they further the discussion on what happened and what he means. To me those kinds of comments only serve to further the idea that you can’t trust white people. Now I”m not saying that the rationale for that belief is crazy but I don’t see how that belief improves race relations. I liked that believe to it’s no different than a woman constantly telling her daughter to never trust a man, a man hurts the daughter in some way, and now the daughter thinks her mom was right along and gives any man after that first one hell. It’s not a perfect analogy but hopefully you guys get what I’m saying.

    I would like to know why the interview even asked that question about black women? Admittedly, I haven’t read the whole Playboy interview (not ready for the full thing) but it seems to me from comments from people who read it, there’s no context for the question.

    I did read the LA Time interview of the Playboy interviewer. That doesn’t help me understand the Playboy interviewer’s motivation.

    At another site, someone actually said (paraphrasing), “Well rappers talk shit about black women and no one says anything.” I had to laugh. A) It’s safe to say that the contributors and readers here know there are people who condemn rappers for their sexist attitudes. B) So a subgroup of larger group treats another subgroup like shit? That means it’s okay to promote that kind of behavior among other larger groups? Whoever is degrading another should be condemned for it no matter who is “getting away” with it.

    The last thing I want to say is, I get the arguments about separating the artist from the art. I’ve done it in the past. But where do you draw the line? Finding out someone is a racist, sexist, homophobic moron is not the same as finding out someone cheated on their wife.

    If this post more than once, my apologies. Internet issues.

  182. Amanda Whelan wrote:

    Dee: Thanks. I’m going to add the full quote to Clapton’s wikipedia page. Cheers!

  183. Aspasia wrote:

    @Pipe down, John Mayer: “(Playing the blues and dating Jessica Simpson are just not compatible activities, by the way; you can’t eat Privilege Puffs for breakfast and then play good blues by night.)”

    LOL! You win. You should trademark Privilege Puffs because that’s just bloody awesome. Totally agree.