NOCs (Nerds of Color)[Essay]

By Guest Contributor Bao Phi, originally posted at the Star Tribune Your Voices Blog

I’ve told this story a million times: when I was young, my father kept me off the streets and saved much needed money buying me the toys I wanted by getting me a library card and teaching me to walk to the Franklin Avenue library, and there began my love of books and stories.

What I’ve written less about is the books I gravitated towards: books about mythological monsters, Greek gods and heroes, King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, Lord of the Rings, my older sister’s Elfquest collection and X-men comic books.  And the secret of many a nerd of color from the ‘hood: my lifelong devotion with role playing games such as Dungeons and Dragons, and Vampire: the Masquerade (making vampire fixations embarrassing long before Stephanie Meyer).

Although I had friends in and out of the neighborhood who were also nerds, it definitely wasn’t typical.  I remember one of my fellow nerds of color inviting me to a Rifts game in a tough tone of voice as if he was initiating me into a gang, all the while looking around nervously as if his street cred would be in serious jeopardy if anyone overheard him talking about how much SDC a Glitterboy had.

Nowadays of course, being a nerd can mean big money.  Everything from Tolkien to comic books to video games is finding its way into mainstream America’s fast food blood stream.  Along with it seems to be the rebellious streak that goes along with being the kid who gets picked on for knowing how to write in Tolkien’s Dwarven – a certain righteousness about being the odd person out, the strange smug martyrdom that comes from knowing that painting miniatures and possessing a dice bag marked you as being a freak and an outsider.

But then how do nerds of color like me fit in, and how do we deal with fellow nerds who don’t want to talk about things like race and class in comic books, video games, role playing games, and movies?   I’ll be the first to admit, I got into all of that stuff for the escapism it allowed.  It was invaluable to me, as a refugee from a war growing up in an economically poor urban area, to fantasize that I was someone else, somewhere else.  I’d rather be a paladin with a war horse riding to battle a chimera than be the Vietnamese ghetto refugee nerd running from the dudes on my block who tried to jump me on my way to and from CUHCC clinic to get my teeth cleaned.

However, there was a discomfort about some of my own internalized issues.  I always chose to ignore the weird feeling I got when I realized that, in my dreams, I was always, literally, a white knight.  When I dreamt I was a superhero, I was a white dude with superpowers and the Mary Jane to my Peter Parker was always white.  Even though I had a nagging feeling about it, I thought I was justified in my dreams because, hey, none of King Arthur’s knights were Asian and therefore my dreams wouldn’t be real if I dreamt otherwise.  And I never really cared for the Oriental Adventures rule book for Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.

As I got older, I wondered more and more about certain things: like, why Wolverine seemed to have an Asian fetish, why the only Asian men in the nerd worlds seemed to be the bad guys or some servant like Doctor Strange’s assistant Wong.  I wondered why the only Asians in comic books, movies, and video games seemed to be ‘exotic’ Asian women. Peter Parker was cool because he always struggled with a day job in addition to being a costumed hero – but many of the other characters like Batman and, er, Iron Fist, were privileged wealthy white dudes who learned martial arts from Asians and whom, of course, thereby became greater at martial arts than the Asians themselves (see also: The Last Samurai, The Forbidden Kingdom, and more recently, Avatar).

I became a fan of the new Battlestar Gallactica and yet wondered how Grace Park’s character seemed like a sci-fi stand-in for Miss Saigon, and despite my skepticism stuck with the series through its entire run and watched in horror as the show literally and figuratively dumped almost all of their characters of color out of an airlock by the time the show ended.  I dug Firefly a lot, but was annoyed that Whedon predictably relegated Asian culture to a neo-Yellow peril future where the extent of China emerging as a superpower means that people throw in a couple of badly pronounced Mandarin words into their everyday conversations, and despite the idea of this looming Asian culture, there are no actual Asian characters to be seen.

None of this was easy for me personally, because I had to confront my own internalized racism.  There was a part of me that said, no, don’t ask these questions.  It’d be easier to just go with the flow.  Don’t rock the boat.  No one cares about this stuff.  Do you really want to challenge yourself about how you want to be white?  You’re a man of color from Phillips – are you really ready to out yourself as a self-hating nerd?

And you’d think that fellow nerds, regardless of race and gender, would understand given that our status as freaks and geeks and outcasts would give us some humility and common ground to stand on.  Unfortunately, this is not often the case.  Try bringing up issues of race, class, gender, and homophobia on a video game message board and see the vitriolic response you get, no matter how diplomatic you try to be.  Bring up issues of representation and race to fans of Battlestar and Firefly and get told that you’re a killjoy or one of the “PC police” who doesn’t understand what their favorite show is trying to do.  Bring up the relative absence of Asian men in American pop culture and people invariably bring up Bruce Lee – without acknowledging the fact that he was passed over for the television show he created, Kung Fu, for a white actor, and had to go to Hong Kong to find success.  Point out that The Last Airbender has an almost all-white cast and people will say, since they’re animated and fictional, they’re not supposed to be Asian  – while ignoring that, even when the characters are supposed to be Asian, Hollywood makes them white anyway (see the movie 21, based on a true story where almost all of the real life people involved were Asian Americans, or if you need to stay with nerd references, see Bulletproof Monk, where the Asian American character in the comic is replaced by a white guy).

I welcome reasonable debate and discussion, even with people who don’t agree with me.  However, race still touches a deep nerve in the majority of Americans, and the denial of it – this idea that race is no longer a relevant issue – makes it even worse.  It’s hard to have an intelligent discussion when people can just reactively respond by saying things like “my best friend/girlfriend is Asian and doesn’t think that’s racist so you’re wrong”.   And being a nerd as well as a person of color, I understand being defensive.  You always feel like someone is going to make fun of something you hold sacred.  But at what point do you learn from that experience, of being the odd one out, and realize that you may be doing that to someone else – based on their race, or gender, or with whom they decide to partner with?  At what point do you empathize rather than silence?

Sometimes it does get to be too much.  Sometimes I wish I could be that kid in Phillips again, with a bath towel tied around my shoulders waving a flashlight around in the dark, pretending I was a Jedi, pretending that race doesn’t matter.   It’s easier that way.  You’re not going to be popular to anyone by saying that racism exists, even less so when you point out that it exists in almost everything that we love.

But race, and all of these things, they do matter.  In my dreams and in my life, they do.  They shape who I am and how I treat other people.  They influence how I see the world and how I work.  Facing my own internalized hatred was one of the most difficult, and terrible, things I have ever done in my life.  It was ugly and sad and hurt not just me but people I cared deeply about.  There was nothing romantic or noble about it, but it was necessary.

And it’s not like I have any particular cause to be righteous.  As much as I was critical of the way brown people were portrayed in the Lord of the Rings trilogy and all of the Star Wars films, I am still a big fan of both franchises.  I am not without my own contradictions, my own questions.  But I think applying a critical mind to the things we like and love is necessary.

When it comes down to it, having these discussions is necessary, even if those of us who choose to confront it and speak against it are one against a thousand voices shouting us down.  As nerds, as people of color, we are used to insurmountable odds.  We’re used to doing what we think is right and standing up for what we believe in, even when it’s not popular and endangers our lives.  Isn’t that what being a nerd is all about?

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Comments

  1. atlasien wrote:

    Ah… the Oriental Adventures rulebook! I remember that!

    I totally understand what you mean. It gave me a weird feeling. I wanted to like it. I could understand the goal: to recreate the kind of exciting aesthetic you’d find in an epic movie — roleplaying “Seven Samurai” would be pretty cool — in a fantasy environment. But I don’t think it worked.

    Great piece!

  2. vcious wrote:

    Great essay. I’m not a huge geek on the typical geeky things, sci-fi and fantasy literature(/games/comics etc), but I dabble in a lot of the fandom and cluelessness about these issues is staggering. What fans also seem to do is even the intelligent people who notice how every comic hero out there is white and male, and look at it critically, there’s a tendency to shrug and move on as it’s just “how things are”. But future nerds are going to be ones writing the next generation of comics and books, drawing the next generation of fantasy book covers, directing and making TV-shows, movies, you name it. There is potential to change these issues of representation.

  3. atlasien wrote:

    I just looked up Oriental Adventures in Wikipedia:

    “The original Oriental Adventures was written by Gary Gygax, David “Zeb” Cook, and François Marcela-Froideval, and published in 1985 by TSR, Inc. for use with the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st Edition rules.”

    None of the writers are/were Asian (I checked).

  4. Lola wrote:

    the Star Trek fandom is full of race fail but if you point it out you get dismissed and they say, it is only entertainment, only sci-fi yet they have no problem arguing over Enterprise shields and such in minute detail

  5. urbia wrote:

    Excellent essay, Bao Phi.

    This is a very rich topic, and one I’m sure is just budding as video games become more mainstream and the audience more diverse. And while I realize you’re talking about representation here, I hope the blog moderators won’t mind if I go on a slight tangent about POC, video games, and the attitude of entitlement among white male gamers – it will connect, I promise.

    In my recent experience while gaming, I’ve also encountered the occasional offensive remarks on women and visible minorities, which, as one would expect, would create a toxic environment for participants from marginalized groups. However, what I didn’t expect was how membership in such groups might actually hinder your process in the actual game. You’d think if you picked up a subscription to an online game (MMO), you’d log in, start from scratch like everyone else, grind away, and gear up your character. But there are parallels, in the road to success, to real life organization and attitudes. Extremely large, complicated MMOs require cooperation in order to build your character up to become powerful and competitive. It’s not like a game you can solo. There are instances/dungeons, and one person can’t expect to fight all the way to the end, kill the boss, and get that coveted drop. Also, as the world is extremely huge and complicated, a little information goes a long way, and this will depend a lot on the social aspect and player-to-player interaction.

    And that is where the boys’ club comes in, comparable to any white male-dominated business environment atmosphere. You can’t hide your sex, or accent, for long. In sophisticated MMOs where it takes an entire raid to accomplish some goal, there exists the pressure to use communication software called ‘ventrilo.’ That’s where people can be outed for not fitting in. And of course it’s not unheard of for female gamers to become harassed the moment they sign into ‘vent’ and out themselves. Now, I’m not saying that this will happen all the time, as there are mature and decent players out there.

    But the point is, you cannot hide your identity for long without impairing your ability to function at your best in the game. Down the road, though, this will open you to all sorts of challenges that will not affect the ‘normal’ white male online gamer. As a minority, your credibility and ability to play video games will constantly be on trial. You might not receive membership to the top guilds if you apply, under the assumption that since you’re a girl gamer, you don’t know how to play. And depending on how the game is designed, this will limit your ability to acquire the best gear, the most coveted crafting materials, the best-kept secrets, and so forth. As well as lack of information. Ask a question? Nobody answers you. It’s not that you’re bad at playing video games – it’s that you’re being kept out of the ‘club’ and can’t function as well. Sure, you can spend 10 hours trying to find out where something drops… but someone else might get their question answered in two minutes, while female gamers are ignored.

    Meanwhile, many people seem to ignore the social clubby aspect of a large MMO and view it (hopefully you’ve seen this coming) as a meritocracy. Just like in real life, or in an IT company. I’ve been in both, I’ve seen the parallels. A lack of information being mistaken for female/minority incompetence because the white male managers decide to marginalize you or deny you training, information, or any other thing that would fall under the category of ‘teamwork.’ And we’re back to square one with ‘Women can’t play video games’ or ‘Women don’t now how to program.’

    Anyway, I just wanted to say that your post on representation was interesting and well-written, and just wanted to adds that there are tons more to the topic. Some games are designed in such a way that your real-life identify will actually affect your progress in the game. I originally thought that if you just picked up a game, you could ‘escape’ for a few hours and have fun competing with all the other gamers. But large games that require competition may strip your anonymity from you and actually hinder your process. As video games become more and more complicated, and large breathing worlds designed, I expect this topic will come up more often. At the moment, it’s somewhat fascinating.

  6. Mike wrote:

    @urbia I’m not surprised by what you’re saying about marginalizing of women in gaming. However, I’m a little surprised that you don’t also experience the opposite.

    I haven’t gamed since middle school, and I know the video games have changed a lot since then… but I remember female players being treated really well by guys who don’t have any real-life female friends and are desperate for the attention. Guys would give them equipment like guys with actual social skills would buy dinner or whatnot.

    I’m not saying that’s not condescending in its own way, or weird in its own way, but I’d be surprised if girl gamers didn’t experience those “benefits” today.

  7. angie k wrote:

    Thank you so much for this post. I really want to come up with something more to say beyond that but all I can say is… Yes. This post exactly. Thank you!

  8. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @mike -

    Not really. I write a ton about gaming other places, and women gamers are generally marginalized by both industry and other players, asked to prove gamer creds on demand, and are treated like crap if we dare do anything but look cute. And heaven forbid we ever talk about issues of gender in gaming…

  9. Lena wrote:

    To the writer GREAT POST *standing up clapping*. I think what we as people of color need to do is to uplift ourselves every oportunity we get.I know how that might sound but think about it.You as an Asian man constantly has been made to look less than and inferior to others in the mainstream media.You’ve been laughed at,told you’re unnattractive,boring and nerdy for a long time.I think the thing to do is be a success in life and start to write,tell,and produce your own stories where you only depict yourself as the hero,the sex symbol, and as “the end all be all” so to speak.There will be plenty of people putting you down because you’re Asian.How many of them have been lifting you up?Not many so D.I.Y!Because when/if they belittle you and you join in on your own sabotage,which some people do as a coping mechanism to try and prove they’re not uptight or affected by the issue of race,then you will fail in life big time.

    Good luck to you.

  10. sweeterjuice wrote:

    @atlasien:

    I hasten to point out that Gary Gygax and Zeb Cook were among the founders of the RPG hobby. Gary, along with Dave Arneson and Jeff Perren, invented tabletop RPGs as we understand them. Zeb was the 3rd full-time RPG designer hired by TSR, and led design on a number of RPGs, modules, card games, and board games during his time there.

    François Marcela-Froideval was TSR’s point man in France for years. He is credited by some with introducing RPGs into France in his role as editor-in-chief of a French RPG magazine, and TSR’s French translator and publisher.

    Oriental Adventures was the first official D&D supplement entirely devoted to roleplaying in a non-Western setting. As such, it set the groundwork for later official non-Western fantasy supplements like Maztica and Al-Qadim, and for even later games like Nyambe and Legends of the Five Rings. OA has been a tremendously influential book in the RPG hobby.

    I don’t doubt that OA had its problems in terms of representation (I’ve never had an interest in reading it, so I can’t say either way) but slamming Gygax, Cook, and Marcela-Froideval for not being Asian in the early ’80s when the decided to create the book strikes me as a little much. Were they doing it today, in light of the diversity efforts in the RPG hobbym I would be much more critical.

  11. Eva wrote:

    Thank you for this, and thank you for writing this:

    “But race, and all of these things, they do matter. In my dreams and in my life, they do. They shape who I am and how I treat other people. ”

    That’s what no one seems to get here. It’s not just entertainment. If POC are regulated to sidekicks and villains, that does affect how we are viewed by people who play these games or see these movies or TV shows again and again and again. And the sad thing is these things become internalized so people don’t even realize they’re being discriminatory.

    For instance, white people especially men, being surprised that my office mate and I (we’re both black women) know our way around computers. They’re freakin’ stunned. However if they’ve grown up only seeing black women as second bananas, or not at all I can only blame them so much.

  12. Mooncat wrote:

    Great Post. I hope in the future we have more positive female characters and characters of color in the sci-fi/fantasy universe.

  13. atlasien wrote:

    @sweeterjuice

    I didn’t slam the writers. I just noted that they weren’t Asian.

    And I did read Oriental Adventures back then very extensively, although I never actually played it. I know that really nobody back then thought about getting Asian or Asian-American feedback on any project that actually had anything at all to do with Asia. I know that… in fact, I lived it.

    I don’t hate Oriental Adventures. I appreciate the motivations behind it and the huge amount of detailed research that must have gone into it. But I also agree with Bao Phi… it doesn’t feel right. I’d be interested in reading a really in-depth critique. I’m not the person to write that, since I haven’t really played since the AD&D first edition era.

    Gary Gygax was a very talented guy, and I bought his stuff (or more accurately, cajoled my mother into buying his stuff) but I don’t feel like I owe him any special allegiance.

  14. urbia wrote:

    @Mike

    Yes, that does happen, but I’m going to say that it happens very rarely. In fact, the ‘benefits’ of being a woman in gaming does not outweigh the disadvantages.

    I’d rather be included in the actual challenging activities and be rewarded for my efforts, than just sit around and wait for virtual gifts. After all, such gifts usually happen unexpectedly, are unpredictable, and you simply can’t plan ahead and strategize in a strategy game. You can’t count on them and is totally divorced from the experience that makes gaming rewarding.

    It’s kind of like the ‘give a man a fish vs teach a man how to fish’ sort of thing. Remember, one or two pieces of equipment you can level out of. Then they are useless. Or at worse, used to ‘prove’ that women have it easier in gaming.

    That’s nothing like being included in regular activities where rewards accumulate over time – and success in any MMO is designed around steady effort and progression. Not quick fixes.

  15. R-SON the Voice of R wrote:

    Great post. I have to rep here, cause as a 36-yr old 6 ft+, dread black guy, I find that people are stunned by my self proclaimed geek status. It’s hard to balance sometimes when so much of what yoy represent doesnt go out of its way to represent you. I’m a Superman fan. Statues, figures, more tees that I can count, but very little reps my experience less (although the Black president/Superman in Final Crisis #7 was the greatest thing ever!). So I balnce it by being a huge Black Panther fan. And collecting as many Black superhero figures as I can. Not just for me, but for my kids so they know that the heroes can look like them too

    Whne Milestone came out in the 90’s it felt like somebody was trying. Yeah, Blood Syndicate was a gang, but Static was just another young brother trying to maintain his grades and fight the good fight. Hardware was the smartest dude in the world. One can only hope that their reintro brings some support for more POC in mainstream comics.

    And Oriental Adventures is responsible for my favorite character ever, Revax, the 19th level Kensai Swordsman.

  16. ourname wrote:

    Such a great post. I’m constantly bothered by how people just don’t get that media representations are important in how we see ourselves and how others see us, especially in sci-fi, a genre that’s set in the future. I’m totally going to start identifying as a NOC from now on.

  17. Roger wrote:

    Great post! For years, I always felt apologetic for being a) a huge Superman fan and b) a Trekkie. I was the only N.O.C. in my eighth grade comics/sci-fi club and usually, I am either the only or one of two NOCs in the comic shop on Wednesday. In college, my pro-Black radical friends chastised me for watching ST:TNG and claimed that it was just “space imperialism” (you see, Jean-Luc Picard was the representative White Man who had the burden of saving the Aliens of the Week, yadda, yadda…sad thing is, now when I watch TNG, I think “Holy shit, they were right!”). They also didn’t like my attempts at creating black superheroes, saying that I was conceding to a western standard of beauty. I tried to explain to them that in the world of comics, you don’t draw superheroes who aren’t muscular/fit–white OR black.

    For years, I tried to figure out my nerddom. Add sexual orientation to it, and wow. I felt guilty for being a Superman fan–after all, Superman becomes an almost Aryan ideal. I felt conflicted about my love of Trek–how can I love a future in which black folk seem to be virtually invisible? (thank Ron Moore and Ira Behr for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine!) Anyway, one day I was like, “Screw it. I love being a nerd. And so what if I read Superman and love Star Trek?”

  18. Just A Thought wrote:

    Love the post. It articulates so much of what I’ve felt as a WOC in arenas that were supposed to be escapist, and in arenas that were dominated by images and stereotypes that were detrimental to me.

    I have friends that play RPGs, and while they are actively trying to recruit me, I cannot 1.) devote that much time; and 2.) join a guild with members who constantly criticize the minority members and basically ignore the one woman in the guild.

  19. Just A Thought wrote:

    @ Roger:

    Oh no! your friends just ruined ST:TNG for me! I’d never watched that show critically because I wanted to keep watching it.

  20. sr wrote:

    That was a great essay. I’ve been a NOC since my teens. I can say that I never really liked the post-Tolkien fantasy genre. It always approached me as Eurocentric.

  21. honeypot13 wrote:

    Great article Bao Phi :) I am not a gamer – but I can definitely relate to the need to escape and knowing deep inside that a part of that escapism was my “playing white”. I’ve definitely done that in the past with literature :( … Now I’m glad I’m aware of my tendencies. I love the line:

    “Facing my own internalized hatred was one of the most difficult, and terrible, things I have ever done in my life.”

    Same here. As a black woman I have spent the past ten years wading through the muck of my own internalized racism. Finding and participating on this site has been like reaching a pinnacle of my racial self-awareness. However, I still find there’s plenty of room to raise that plateau.

    Bravo to you for doing the hard work to deconstruct such negative and harmful views.

    For, I believe that writing and sharing our struggles is the best way to rebuild our racial identities and create new constructs!

  22. Winn wrote:

    This post is so full of win! I realized as I was reading it that this has characterized so much of my life with respect to entertainment, pop culture, even scholarship. It was lonely and frustrating being not only the only girl, but being the only black person to boot, playing D & D after school, standing in line to get tickets to see Bauhaus or Depeche Mode, participating in online forums on everything from Elfquest to Dr. Who fandom, working at the local Ren Faire every summer, or contributing articles and reviews to B-movie and exploitation movie websites. Many times, the fact that I was a WOC was never even addressed, but if issues concerning race and gender came up, I never truly felt that these were safe spaces or trustworthy people with whom I could bring these issues up for discussion. When they did come up, they were quickly dismissed, with accusations of, as was pointed out in the OP, “oversenstivity”, ‘chasing after racism”, “applying real-life rules to fictional worlds”, “being PC”, and all the other usual derailments.

    Thankfully, I have become much braver and bolder about launching and participating in these discussions, and have found great forums for doing so, of which Racialicious is one of my favorites, but now, happily, only one of many. The need for honesty and self-analysis in these critiques is also essential, as I, like Bao Phi, have to struggle with my love for the LOTR trilogy or the historically inaccurate, homoerotic-fetishizing, brown-people-demonizing 300. Sigh. But knowing we’re not alone, either in our fandom or our discomfort with some aspects of it, makes being a NOC a much easier path to travel.

  23. Sean wrote:

    Great essay, Bao -I can relate. I like that: NOC. Makes me want to wear a t-shirt that reads NOC’d Up!

  24. Eva wrote:

    “Such a great post. I’m constantly bothered by how people just don’t get that media representations are important in how we see ourselves and how others see us, especially in sci-fi, a genre that’s set in the future. I’m totally going to start identifying as a NOC from now on.”

    I mean how am I supposed to feel if I see a movie set in the future and there aren’t any black or brown people in it? How is a child supposed to feel? It’s like someone’s saying, “I don’t like you and I don’t want you to be here, so I’m creating a world where you don’t exist.”

  25. Jess wrote:

    Bao Phi, I wonder, did you ever run into Ursula LeGuin as a kid/adolescent?

    I think the fact that she was an early influence on me made me think about how, when I try to write science fiction, I try to think about “others” in the process. I may not get it right all the time — I looked at some stuff I did years back and think “well, man, that didn’t work at all” but reading her stuff and then putting it up against, say, Arthur C. Clarke was an eye-opener.

    And it actually helped a lot, given as I came from a family of political radicals who differed a lot from others in the area (it’s kind of like being in a weird religious minority where you know there is something different about your family but can’t say exactly what it is).

    I was also a D&D player — I think I first ran into it in 1980 or thereabouts. It was definitely a great escape for me — getting the crap kicked out of you all the damned time makes one long for such, and what you wrote up there made me remember that.

    Thinking of the D&D universe, I remember that me and my friends actually asked why non-western stuff wasn’t in it more, and tried to come up with ways to make it work. Sometimes by just transposing characters — we tried to see if we could transpose the stuff in Deities & Demigods — but I doubt we knew enough to know what we were doing. I’m sure it would look awful now. But hey, we were what, 13? 14?

    I never was that deep into the fandom subculture — my tastes in science fiction developed a bit more “literary” than Star Trek at the time. (The first novels without pictures I read were Asimov, Piers Anthony, and A.E. Van Vogt). But I do see how it can get awfully weird sometimes. The crowd I hung with was pretty white (except for the one Korean kid who was adopted) and we didn’t think about sex and gender issues in a particularly deep way.

    More importantly, I noticed that a lot of the same people who are big Star Trek fans overlap with a certain libertarian streak, especially if they have overdosed on Heinlein.

    Come to think of it, you could do a really interesting exploration of the influence of the sexual politics of Heinlein on geek-ish subcultures — personally, I see it everywhere. That strain rubs up against what I would call the LeGuin side of things, which appeared in the late 60s, I would guess.

    The tensions between the two are exactly the kind of thing Phi is describing, I think. I mean looking at the posts and thinking of Superman as ubermensch (tho created by two Jewish guys, remember) and at one level, the whole concept of the superhero vigilante is kind of weirdly fascistic sometimes… (Alan Moore still gets my vote for best takedown of that in Watchmen). At the same time, you have a fundamentally egalitarian sensibility in X-Men — which lets face it, appeared in 1965 or so, when the Civil Rights movement was coming into its own…

  26. Hapa wrote:

    Thank you for writing this. It touched me. I relate to many of the points you made.

  27. Katrina wrote:

    This was such an exceedingly well written post. There are certain things in life; one presumes they have to hide away for fear of being ridiculed. For me it was and is the love of folktales and fairytales, sci-fi, otherworldly creatures (as an adult); to draw, sew and design characters in my own colors of choice. It brought and still brings me peace, fulfillment, and happiness….especially in this sometimes very harsh world of hatefulness, bigotry, and sorrow. The white man will try and make any race that is not his own look like a buffoon…and that may for any race that is in power at the time…who knows. I would love to see more diversity especially in film. Can I not see Asian or Middle-Eastern man play a ninja, thief, evil spy, butler, bomber, etc? And can I see more young Blacks, Asians, and Islanders…people of color in general on the film screen, television and theater…and not see Mexicans working in the house as cook or gardeners? (I guess that goes for all colors too.)

    I’m a NOC, escape from life for a while to another is sheer rapture. I play Oblivion or Fable I/II for hours, to emerge yourself in other worlds and lands, is sometimes exasperating, but when you find the treasure, elation….I still tune in to watch, “Johnny Quest” for the love of Hadji, and the rest of the “Quest” crew.

  28. sweeterjuice wrote:

    @Eva

    “I mean how am I supposed to feel if I see a movie set in the future and there aren’t any black or brown people in it? How is a child supposed to feel? It’s like someone’s saying, ‘I don’t like you and I don’t want you to be here, so I’m creating a world where you don’t exist.’ ”

    I have to say that as a kid, I never had that feeling. The worlds shown in SF&F movies and TV shows were usually so huge and so diverse, that I always felt like they couldn’t possibly show us everything–we’d have to drop out of school or quit jobs and do nothing but watch in order to see everything. So that just made it easy for me to imagine stories without all-white central characters.

  29. nichole wrote:

    Excellent post. Thank you.

  30. Winn wrote:

    @Katrina,

    It so weird that you mentioned “Johnny Quest”, because its one of the most prominent examples to me of that struggle NOCs have reconciling our appreciation for questionable entertainment. It wasn’t until I re-watched Johnny Quest with an adult’s more critical perspective that I realized how full of racefail it is. Dr. Quest and Race are patronizing and all white-man’s-burden toward every indigenous group they encounter, disrespecting everything from voodoo to Hinduism in the process. Remember when Race stained his skin red with berry juice to play the “god” of a native tribe (the fictional “Po-Ho”, whose language both scientists can supposedly speak) who had taken a fellow scientist hostage? Or when Dr. Quest spoke to the tribe over the loudspeaker from his plane, announcing (in English) that he was their “god of the sky”? Superstitious and ignorant natives abound, fleeing from Yeti, terrified by voodoo drums, trying to elude loup-garou, quaking at the wrath of the Egyptian god Anubis, and many more.

    Most glaringly, the yellow peril theme is never far behind, from chief villain and evil genius Dr. Zin to evil genius Dr. Aishida to…evil genius Dr. Chu Sing Ling! Are we sensing a pattern here? One of the most egregious episodes is the aforementioned “loup-garou” (completely mispronounced throughout the episode, even by the alleged French-Canadian characters), with an “Indian” named White Feather, accompanied by his faithful wolf companion Gray One. White Feather is a regular Native Dr. Doolittle: he can talk to the animals, smell things from miles away, is an amazing tracker and has keenly developed eyesight. But its not enough that he’s the classic “Magical Indian”. He also speaks in that ridiculous chopped up English long ascribed to Native Americans in pop culture, that is so grating on the ears I can barely stand it: “Gray One return. White dog with mask not with him. Gray One not go near white dog with mask. No one go near white dog with mask. White Feather go now. See again.” Dear goddess. “Jonny Quest” was one of my favorite shows from childhood, but today I watch it with gritted teeth and narrowed eyes. The thrill is definitely gone…

  31. B. Durbin wrote:

    On the Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog musical commentary, there’s a rather snarky song in there by Whedon’s sister-in-law (?)— one of the writers and also the Asian girl in the fan trio. It’s about why she wasn’t cast as Penny and is titled something like “Nobody Wants To Cast an Asian.” It includes many of the stereotypical music cues that signify “Oriental” in movie themes.

    It’s very funny, and very sad.

  32. nadanada wrote:

    Its my first post here! (love racialicious) but I just love this article I can totally relate. While I’m not a super nerd this also reminds me of someone who I realized has nerd-like tendencies (he paints figurines amongst other things)
    I almost feel like you can only have these conversations of race only to other NOC but in my experience only NOC of my own race.

  33. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Hmm.

    @ sean –

    “Makes me want to wear a t-shirt that reads NOC’d Up!”

    Hey Arturo, aren’t we all going to Comic Con…?

  34. Juan wrote:

    sweetjuice, count yourself among the lucky who were able to maintain that sort of innocence(?) as a kid and maintain that fiction of it any universe being too vast to display us.

    I certainly never was able.

  35. NancyP wrote:

    Wonderful post and thread!

    It would be tempting to apply voice distortion to Ventrilo.

    So many noxious stereotypes, so little time. The comics 40 years ago featured exclusively white or “European-featured alien” heroes and had mostly white villains as well, except for the “Ming the Merciless”-like Asian evil genius. I wasn’t really aware of all this at the time.

    As dismal as it is to be a male NOC , it’s got to be worse being a female NOC. I don’t remember any WOC in leading roles 40 years ago. The usual role seemed to be handmaiden to some MOC villain.

    Being a white girl nerd some 40 to 30 years ago meant that I read SFF and comics and imagined myself as one of the boys, because there just wasn’t a whole lot out there for girls, particularly if they didn’t want to be known mostly for their cup size. I have never done the -con bit because it just seemed like asking for trouble.

  36. Colin B wrote:

    I’m psyched about this PC game — Mass Effect 2, and yet completely irritated about its characters.

    The protagonist is white, and attempts to make them look darker are made difficult because there seems to always be a bright light put on their face and arms so they look lighter throughout the game than when one sets up their character in the beginning. That’s probably one of the more asinine parts of the experience for me.

    Bao Phi, your story has been the sort of thing I’ve wanted to talk more openly about for years!

    I collect comics, play RPGs and love puns, but being a nerd reminds me of the incredibly sanitized space I’m in at times, where the imagery is white and male and hetero, and it’s justified by being about historical white male figures in white male-dominated lands, and that attracts lots of self-interested (IMO) white males to what should be for everyone.

  37. ross wrote:

    really great post!!! really enjoyed it. fantasy/RPG stuff is such an unfortunate clusterf*ck of whiteness and weird, crappy racial stuff, so it’s great to see somebody discussing and dissecting some of it.

    on a side note, though, unless in an SDC environment, glitter boy armor has MDC, not SDC. bwahaha! 8)

  38. CVT wrote:

    Just giving a NoC head-nod up. Sad to say it, but I STILL find myself covering up the cover of whatever sci-fi/fantasy novel I happen to be reading when I’m on public transportation, etc.

    On that note: Steven Erikson’s “Malazan” books are actually pretty solid when it comes to people of color (and women) representing (and not just in stereotypical ways). Not perfect, of course, but enough that I don’t have to suspend my sense of self when reading the same way I so often have to do with other such books.

  39. Digital Coyote wrote:

    I kind of gave up on comics and RP (strictly World of Darkness, tyvm) because I got tired of the whispers and stares. I also got tired of RP because people assumed that my characters would be white (?!?) like I wasn’t supposed to stray from the “default” setting.

    A few groups made life difficult for me in general (esp. the D&Ders when I first tried tabletop and the people that think all vamps are white no matter what) or if my character was a PoC. Strangely, if I played some sort of were of color, they didn’t lose their minds as much. Lord forbid I knew more about the game mechanics/rules than they did. Nothing like being grilled because you’re expected to be dumb about everything, but especially dumb about anything only [insert group] is supposed to know about.

    I admit to living vicariously through kung fu movies as a child–my father says I was convinced that I was going to be Sonny Chiba when I grew up–but “The Forbidden Kingdom” made my skin crawl. While it was fun trying to give my bf a 1 minute crash course in styles and mythology when the movie first started, that feeling was eclipsed by the embarrassment I felt for Jackie Chan and Jet Li. The kid in yellow face come to fulfill a prophecy and save the world with all of 2 days of training was just….gah.

    I could keep going, but it’s late. Long story short: I’m not a nerd, but I do get my geek on.

    Just not in public.

    I’m not a f$%^ing unicorn and shouldn’t be treated as such or inundated with the “but YOU?!?! HOW?!?” questions in the process. It’s be nice to let it all hang out, but it’s not worth the aggravation arising from the privilege and ignorance of others.

  40. Bagelsan wrote:

    I remember female players being treated really well by guys who don’t have any real-life female friends and are desperate for the attention. Guys would give them equipment like guys with actual social skills would buy dinner or whatnot.

    Women love *nothing better* than being mobbed by guys with poor social skills — especially if the woman is also shy and/or nerdy! Being the focus of sexual attention from guys who don’t know how to pick up non-verbal cues (or don’t care to) … nothing’s better! :p

    Seriously, though, it sucks. My little sister’s toon was followed around for *weeks* on WoW by this guy who kept trying to whisper to her and give her stuff. He refused to take “no” for an answer. And I’ve been miserable trying to have a properly nerdy conversation with a guy when *all he did* was stare at me with unblinking (LITERALLY) silent adoration (especially creepy because this started pretty much the *day we met* — he didn’t even know me! I was just trying to talk geek stuff!) All this because I’m female and we share some interests. Ew. I’ll pass… crappy free loot isn’t worth it!

    A guy saying that female players are treated “really well” is like a guy saying that being catcalled is “a compliment” — it’s only cute or harmless until it happens to you. (This isn’t meant to come down harshly on you at all! You just got me started. :p)

  41. La Boite de Pandore wrote:

    I loved this post! I am a sci-fi, fantasy, adventure nerd and I am working on my own graphic novel as a hobby. The author Bao Phi made a lot of very good points.

    Bao Phi wrote:
    But then how do nerds of color like me fit in, and how do we deal with fellow nerds who don’t want to talk about things like race and class in comic books, video games, role playing games, and movies?

    My response to this question is how I have handled everything like this. Once a person of color has face their own internalized racism which is inevitable because of the type of society we live in then you can proceed with what I have titled, “Act as if…”

    Act as if all white people care of people of color issues even when you know they do not care at all. Instead of being the diplomatic ambassador to all things ethnic and cultural or on the opposite extreme; agressively explaining about the lack of people of color in comics, graphic novels, video games, etc. except when they fill antiquated stereotypes.
    I do this all the time and it is unique. It is very hard for me to convey this practice in one racialicious comment without someone truly misunderstanding my meaning. I will try though. I do this with every white person I encounter, I act like they care about POC issues. I treat them like they are people of color just like me. So I don’t “code switch” culturally around them. I’m Black and I talk to all of my White friends like they are POC and have experienced everything I as a POC have in my life. It’s awesome and it works. It really works! My job is a high school teacher and I had a White nationalist 11th grade student who loved going onto the stormfront website. You know what I did? My behavior with him was very comfortable and I treated him like he was Black and was just as concerned about the same issues that I am. It was great and after a few months it worked. This is a very sneaky approach but I’ve perfected it and it does work. I’ve been doing it for 20 years and I have “accidently” produced many white, pro-POC, anti-racists as a result of this strategy.

    On a side-note this works with womanism or feminism as well. I treat all men like they are very concerned about women’s issues and it’s a nice relaxed way to make them *try* to understand women. They don’t even realize they are doing it.

    So in the sci-fi, fantasy, role-playing, gamer world I do this exact same thing. I find that nerds are easier to practice this “Act as if” strategy with. Act as if they care even when they really don’t because eventually they will care and they won’t know why they do.
    My mom and I integrated an-all white, blue collar, anti-POC, conservative church during the early 1990’s with this approach. It worked. Now all of the church members relate to POCs as if they were POCs themselves.
    It is a sneaky approach and most people will not realize you are doing it to them. It is a type of reverse-psychology.

  42. Bagelsan wrote:

    As for the all-white sci-fi/fantasy thing — that’s part of the reason I like anime. There isn’t the assumption that everyone must be white unless clearly marked otherwise, which is refreshing, even for a white nerd. In an anime or manga, if a character is blond and blue-eyed, has a strong Southern-USA accent, and literally *wears a cowboy hat* then I’ll start conceding that maaaybe they’re white. :p

    (Of course, white people go way too far with the whole anime thing too… if your walls are papered entirely in underage Japanese schoolgirls? Probably you’re not an anime fan ’cause you respect the art style or the culture.)

    In my somewhat limited experience it seems like anime is getting better at including non-East-Asian POC too, which seems just as important as not having everything be white-centric. Not always as good as it could be, of course, but I like the trend.

  43. Medusa wrote:

    This was an excellent essay! I was quite into sci-fi as a child as well, and also did the imagine-I-am-in-the-story, except I couldn’t really have been, could I? Since there was never, ever, any black character, or shoot, character of color in any of the stories. In general, I was into reading all genres, and I just discovered my childhood books in a box and have been re-reading them, and MY GOD, it is so painfully obvious to me how people of character are nonexistent, and I’m wondering how to address this when I have children. Sure, I will bring them up to read a lot, and there will be a LOT of sci-fi books, but what am I supposed to tell them about how none of the characters look like them? In general, they are good stories and I don’t want to deny my kids the chance to read/watch them, but there so much glaring racism in the entire industry, from conception to execution. And as many have mentioned before, even when an author includes characters of color (or the fucking real people are people of color) Hollywood decides to whitewash the whole thing when adapting it to a movie. Ugh.

    In full disclosure, I went to international school in Japan, so basically all the books I owned were things ordered from Scholastic book orders, and in retrospective it seems like fucking bullshit to go out of my way to order books from another country when the authors hadn’t done shit to make sure anyone who looked like me or even had my background was even considered as a member of their world. It’s like a double slap in the face…

  44. Jess wrote:

    @Winn–

    Johnny Quest is so ridiculously racist in spots because it was written in the 60s. Not an excuse, but it might help put it in perspective a bit. It’s sort of too bad — at the time the animation was rather advanced for Hanna-Barbera. (Funny to think that the guy who voiced Johnny is 62 now and the one who did Race Bannon is 91, assuming he is still alive).

    Anyhow a lot of the stuff that has been shown — the ones with the horn-heavy theme music and the opening sequence — that was aired in 1964/5. And the story itself was based on an adventure comic that dates from the 30s. The characters were all composites of others from that genre. So it isn’t hard to see where the stereotyping comes from, awful as it is.

  45. CVT wrote:

    Oh – one other thing . . . I’ve always had the theory that all the “conscious” hip-hoppers (and a big chunk of the underground) are NoCs-in-disguise. I don’t have statistics (as yet), but plenty of anecdotal evidence running with that particular crowd . . .

  46. Digital Coyote wrote:

    @Bagelsan:

    Don’t you know female players and their female characters, if they play them, simply exist for the poorly socialized to spend a whole dungeon trying to woo, seduce, or otherwise sleep with? At least, that was the first thing I learned about D&D from the folks I was stuck with for a while.

    I think the only thing that could possibly make that worse is when people you play with try to set your character up with someone else’s character in-game in the hopes that it’ll blossom in to something real; this usually seems to happen when you have no interest at all, but the other person is head over heels.

    That way you get the unblinking stares, heavy breathing, and the GM making you roll to see if your clothes will fall off while you pray for a natural 20…

  47. lunanoire wrote:

    I am confused about definitions. Can someone please explain the difference between a nerd, a geek, and someone who is academically gifted? Are there subsets of nerds, so that people use phrases like “fantasy nerd” or “sci-fi nerd”?

    It took me a few sentences to realize that my definition of nerd (a person who is very knowledgeable about a certain academic area or is a bookworm) differs from the author’s.

  48. kaninchenzero wrote:

    I’ve always had the theory that all the “conscious” hip-hoppers (and a big chunk of the underground) are NoCs-in-disguise.

    I’m pretty sure most of Wu-Tang qualifies. Gentlemen rhyme about chess (among, you know, other stuff). It’s pretty damn awesome. :D

  49. Pickly wrote:

    @lunanoire:

    The definitions change from person to person, unfortunately. As for subsets, usually if someone’s a “(insert area of interest) nerd” or “(area of interest) geek”, it means that they mainly focus on that interest (Or at least have a strong focus in that area.)

  50. Lola wrote:

    @urbia

    I learned a lot from your post, I’d never thought of it that way.

  51. Terrie wrote:

    @42, Bagelsan. don’t forget, if they ALWAYS have a gun, they’re probably American.

    I really appreciated this essay. As a female nerd, I’ve been lucky that I haven’t run into huge amounts of the problems that I hear from other people. I did have one guy hit on me to the point where his friends were trying to make him go away and leave me alone, but for the most part, my many male nerd friends treat me a fellow nerd, not a RFG (Real Female Gamer — very rare and exotic).

    Like others, I have at times struggled with the problems of the genres. I love comics, but can’t stand the crazy boobs on some of the characters (Seriously, they’re up on their shoulders and apparently inflated with helium). Star Trek is always a mixed bag. Like the Tennyson rhyme, when it’s good, it’s very, very good, but when it’s bad, it’s horrid.

    I’ve come to a place where I can accept that while the good does not negate the bad, the reverse is also true. The bad does not negate the good. The flaws and the virtues exist side by side, and accepting one does not require that I ignore the other.

  52. Bao Phi wrote:

    Whoa – thank y’all so much. There is so much intelligent and illuminating conversation happening here. I want to just sit here and read/vibe all day but I have to go to work! But I’ll be back later today to to read and engage. I just wanted to take a quick minute to say THANK YOU to Racialicious for crossposting this, and all of you for reading and responding. NOCs in the house!

  53. Tirade wrote:

    I have white skin, but I am of mixed race. And I grew up poor, but in a fairly well off suburban area. So while I may be white by most definitions of the word, being the one poor kid who knows he’s not entirely white in a middle class to rich white area gave me a bit of an outsider perspective at the time. I never really felt like part of the group.

    Now I live on the other side of the country. My DM is half black, half white. The sci-fi/fantasy club actually has some diversity when it comes to race and gender and sexuality. The biggest D&D nerd I know is hispanic, and the biggest X-men fan I know is black. Its an entirely different world with this group, and I gotta say, I like it a lot better. :)

  54. Sonic wrote:

    @ B. Durbin:

    Yes, it’s just VERY ironic that Joss Whedon does have that song, so he’s very aware of the problem, but he himself does not include Asians in his worlds, except in a peripheral way.

    Thanks for pointing out the problem and contributing to it!

  55. Sonic wrote:

    (the last sentence was directed to Whedon, not to you, :-D )

  56. Bao wrote:

    Hello all – I am learning a lot from reading these responses and thinking a lot. Thanks for this.

    A couple of responses – Ross, didn’t glitterboys have sdc as well as mega damage capacity? I thought they had both. ;) It’s been a long time.

    Urbia – thanks a lot for the fascinating thoughts/info. To tell you the truth I don’t play online, because I can’t afford a good internet connection at home and plus there’s no time for me to get sucked in the way I invariably would – and your perspective is a very interesting and informative read. Thanks for sharing! Have you written about this elsewhere? I think it’s a very necessary perspective.

    I had a small taste of this way back when I played all-text-based MUDs. I got re-immersed in the new wave of Hong Kong action cinema and was in love with Bridget Lin (Bride with White Hair/Swordsman II). So I created this character named Master Asia on a MUD, after her character in Swordsman II.

    Interestingly, I noticed that all the male players were much more helpful to me than before. In my naivete, I had no idea why – then it dawned on me that, as it was text based, they all thought I was an Asian woman. When I told them I was an Asian man, that attention/help disappeared.

    Not saying it’s harder for Asian men/women have it easier. I agree with you, that the attention was both uncomfortable, and it didn’t really involve my engagement/planning or any skills. It was a perception of who I was, and my relationship to straight white maleness, that dictated how I was treated online.

    Thanks for the discussion and let me know if you have essays/articles elsewhere…

  57. sylvia wrote:

    I really appreciated the post, as a black female NOC I find that what irks me the most is that intersection of identities is not allowed to exist. “Nerdism” or whatever you want to label it is a still a very white male identifier with occasional Asian. Shows like big bang highlight this fact greatly, while I enjoy the jokes and get the humor it always irks me that I never get close to seeing more variation to the over-played white nerdy male trope.

  58. Bagelsan wrote:

    @42, Bagelsan. don’t forget, if they ALWAYS have a gun, they’re probably American.

    Ah, truth in television! I’m laughing because, just today, I was talking to a friend/exchange student from Japan about an “armed and injured” intruder that was wandering around the area today. (Eek.) She was wondering how he was armed, and I think she was pretty surprised when I told her that likely he had a gun and had been injured by someone else’s gun — she had been trying to think the best of all us crazy Americans and not buy into the stereotype but I was like “nope, it’s pretty much true, guns all over.” :p

    /derail

  59. Bagelsan wrote:

    When I told them I was an Asian man, that attention/help disappeared.

    I’m not familiar with the game you were playing, but it seems like in a lot of online games any display of skill by Asian male players is *entirely* credited to their race (whereas a skillful Asian female player would be a credit to her gender, I guess? Also, she would be hot. Obviously. 9.9) It seems not unlike black sports figures, in that all their time and effort is ignored — they didn’t work hard for all that experience and loot, they were just born in Korea/born black! Of course they’re good at it!

    Stereotypes abound about Asian players online, at least in MMORPGs, and jokes about it are quite acceptable. The *real* players are white; players from Asian countries aren’t *real* they are game-playing robots, etc, which strokes the egos of all the outclassed white guy gamers. (And that’s not even getting into the whole Chinese gold farmer thing on World of Warcraft… oh boy. >.<)

  60. danno wrote:

    Good read. I think a some of the lack of diversity in all of these mediums comes from the creators, creating a world representative of the one they live in; as in what they see on a day to day basis. For example, even though I’m not a white male thats pretty much what I see on a daily basis. As an artist I try to diversify my art, but It takes serious work to not slip into those “defaults.”

    On top of that, I think its silly that people would fail to diversify there medium, in an effort to reflect the world we live in, specifically when its fantasy. Thats the fun of fantasy! It can be ANYTHING, and not reflect the “world we live in.”

  61. Medusa wrote:

    @ Winn- I’m not even familiar with any of the things you referenced, but reading about them made me CRINGE.

  62. urbia wrote:

    Bao – I am flattered that you want to see any articles I’ve written, but I must admit that I’m fairly commitment-phobic about having a regular site or blog to maintain and moderate. I’m most comfortable with simply visiting other people’s sites and contributing to the discussion. :)

    And yes, I’ve seen what you’ve mentioned happen quite a bit on the game I play as well. Players of Asian descent are treated differently. Bagelsan is quite right when he says the ability of Asian players are credited to their race. (By the way, I play on a Korean MMO that had been recently brought to North America, called Aion, so this effect is exaggerated. “Oh, it’s a grindy Korean game, so of course Asian players will be good at it since they’re so uncreative and can stand repetitive tasks like the bots this game was designed for.”) Interestingly enough, I’ve found out that a lot of the gold-sellers/Real Money Traders are from the U.S. So even if the bot programs themselves are written in Asia, it is Americans that are using them to perform illegal acts of trading real money for in-game money, which ruins the in-game economy and makes cheating possible. But I digress.

    Now that we’re on the topic of game mechanics, ability, and identity, I just had more to add that came to mind from my experience on this game. This game I’m playing on… it’s somewhat unique from regular MMOs in the sense it’s completely Player vs. Player. So it would be like your text-based MUD but with graphics (like World of Warcraft), in which players can fight each other as well as the monsters within the game. It’s kind of like playing on a PvP server on World of Warcraft except you cannot unflag youself in your own territory – enemy characters can kill you at any time, anywhere, just about. So not only is this game driven by cooperation, it’s also very competitive – not who can get the best gear but who can kill the most people, increase in rank, and so forth.

    And it’s funny that on such a game, the best player-killers are always assumed to be male. The attitude is that if you’re putting your neck out there, charging out in battle, kicking ass, and totally dominating, you cannot be a girl gamer. Because girls cannot play video games.

    And the really ironic thing? You know how I said in my earlier post about the boys’ club? Well, there was a recent scandal that the top guilds on my server communicate with each other over ventrilo… and they agreed on a pact in a contested zone. Yes, pretty much, these ‘enemy’ players that are supposed to fight in-game, circumvented the whole purpose of this PvP game and decided to cooperate just so they’d be able to farm bosses and brag about being the best guilds on their respective sides, while pretending to be fighting each other.

    So they’re ‘winnig.’ But not by earning it. By agreeing NOT TO KILL EACH OTHER. Short version: they wussed out, they’re cheating, and they’re using their gamer cred privilege in order to do it.

    Meanwhile, I see more obscure and really skilled players doing their thing and getting legitimate kills (female players as well), but the way the game is designed, they don’t get as many rewards if you cheat. So on my server, we have an actual case of girls being told they can’t play games… yet the boys’ club is engaged in cheating because they can’t handle the competition.

    And on another topic about PvP games and gender, you’ll see misogynist language flying about all the time. If you beat someone, it’s called you totally ‘raped’ them. Or if a world boss doesn’t drop anything good and she’s female, she’s being a ‘bitch’ and ‘isn’t putting out.’ But that’s a whole other post.

  63. urbia wrote:

    “but the way the game is designed, they don’t get as many rewards if you cheat”

    Oops, badly phrased. I meant to say that the legitimate players don’t get rewarded nearly as much as the cheaters. Unfortunately this game is set up in a way that you gain a huge advantage in cheating.

  64. miga wrote:

    NOC’s unite! Thank you soo much for writing this. It’s hard out there for an NOC ( I was the non-permed, mixed-race, no makeup, new in town, crooked toothed (later braces wearing), thick glasses,nose-in-a-book, nerd) And it’s especially frustrating when fellow nerds (non NOCs) keep asking you why you’re at X convention, conference, bookstore, etc. I get that all the time- no one asks the other white people why they’re here. Just being interested is assumed, but when I enter? It’s “Soooo……um… why did you decide to X?”
    My hero was Belle from Beautyand the Beast- she was smart, misunderstood, and stared at. But I wish I had a cartoon hero who both looked AND behaved like me. I’m still waiting. If anyone knows of comics starring female NOCs, though, gimme a heads up!

  65. Thaddeus Blanchette wrote:

    Loved this post! Reminded me of when Randy Waterhouse takes America Shaftoe to meet his “ethnic group” in Neal Stephenson’s book “Cryptonomicon”: they’re all MtG-playing nerds.

    Ana and I have long decided that one of the roots of our relationship is that we’re both nerds. She’s a football nerd and I’m a gamin’/sci-fi nerd like yourself, but we are both hopelessly nerdy.

    It’s interesting to think on how nerdism simultaneously does and does not transcend race. I’m thinking in particular of Huey Freeman’s Jedi fetish. Awhile back, I got into a discussion with a good friend as to whether or not LotR was racist. Yes, on the one hand it is, being the product of a racist time. Tolkien had no problem casting the “swarthy” easterlings as bad guys. On the other hand, the guy’s working deep in the roots of anglo-saxon mythology. Sticking PoC in there just to have them in there… I don’t know if that would have been a good decision. I mean, I groaned when Morgan Freeman showed up in Robin Hood, even though his take on an Islamic character was, indeed, great. And I groan every time WWII pictures go through backflips to somehow get blacks and whites fighting together as the same unit on the same screen.

    I mean, it seems to me that whitewashing (brownwashing?) history isn’t going to do anything other than teach kids that tokenism always existed and that racism isn’t really a problem. There’s got to be a better way to do it than this, though what it is, I don’t know.

  66. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Excellent post! I find it interesting that when I was growing up I never really questioned why characters like me never existed in my favorite sci fi related books, games, TV shows and movies. I guess it’s because here in America I got used to seeing almost no representations of South Asian American Muslim characters, male or female, anywhere in mainstream pop culture so I didn’t expect any such representation in sci fi/fantasy. The characters I mainly gravitated towards were thus female characters of whatever race.

    I’ll also say that I was pissed when I discovered that CS Lewis engaged in promoting Islamophobia through his Chronicles of Narnia books. I had enjoyed his first book the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe back in seventh grade and was trying to find time to read the rest of his books. But after finding that bit of info out, I’ve decided not to bother reading his stuff anymore (or watching the movies based on them). Lately I’ve been debating about whether I should ever read Frank Herbert’s Dune series, books which I’ve amazingly never heard about until now. I’m concerned about how he’ll portray the Mid Eastern based characters but I’m also curious based on some of the stuff I already read about them (I of course haven’t read too much in case I run into spoilers).

  67. DB wrote:

    Bao Phi listed all the reasons I lost interest in western sci-fi/fantasy years ago. Yes, I watched BG and Firefly, but the racism behind it is never far from my mind. I’m not even that shocked when a bunch of white guys starts to consistently beat up Grace Park’s characters. Star Wars was filled with Asian philosophy and ideas yet with nary a single real Asian character in 6 films (unless you count the cartoonish caricatures). Basically I have lost interest in all form of entertainment, nerdy or not, created by white males – they all suffer the same problem.

    That is why I spend my nerdy time on properties from Asia – games, manga, anime, etc; and my entertainment dollar on anything not from white males. Yeah, that’s a little racist, but until they get their acts together, sorry. I’m not even interested in Avatar – I don’t care how many billions it’s gonna make – it’s just another white male fantasy about redemption after trampling yet another race.

  68. R-SON the Voice of R wrote:

    @CVT Yeah the underground is chock full of geeks. It’s a great way for us to come up with ideas and concepts for songs. If you haven’t heard The Last Emperor’s “Secret Wars” or “War of the Words” by The Flight Brothers, check them out. Pure Hip Hop geek goodness.

  69. Samia wrote:

    I loved this post. Love. LOVE. Will probably blather at length about it at my place soon. Thanks so much for writing this, Bao.

  70. karak wrote:

    I have a bunch of nerd friends who are PoC, and I can’t tell you how many times we’re playing a game, or planning a cosplay, or picking out miniatures, and suddenly there will be this awkward, horrible moment where we all realize *I’m* represented there-ish (white girl) and my boyfriend is TOTALLY represented there (white boy) and my Asian-American, Black American, Pakistani-American friends are completely out in the cold.

    It’s… really upsetting, actually, and they kind of scar over and get tough and immune to the hurt, but it’s so still there and I hate it. (And I have my own Girl Issues about nerd culture, but I don’t want to make this a “WHAT ABOUT TEH WHITEZ?!?!” thing).

  71. Reiter wrote:

    Secret Wars is an awesome track!

  72. Jess wrote:

    @RCHOUDH–

    Dune is well worth reading. Herbert based his culture on those of the Middle East, though I’d actually say it resembles the Ottoman system more than that. But the reason is the planet Arrakis is a desert, and as I remember the idea was that Middle Eastern (specifically Arab) culture appeared the way it was because of the environment it was in. That is, the culture took its shape because that was the only way to survive. I think the book posits that it may be a superior way to do that on a large scale.

    Herbert touches on this theme a lot in his later books as well — Dune is, really, the first major example of science fiction with an ecological theme at the center of the story. (Remember it was written in the 60s). His Big Ideas are really about the interaction of culture and environment, the “Great Man” historical theory and the function of messiahs, and the role of religion in developing a civilization.

    I have bigger issues with his later books, as after God Emperor of Dune (the third) they get increasingly silly.

    I think it’s interesting you mention CS Lewis. I read some of his Narnia books, and actually found them okay, though it wasn’t until years later I got the theology in them. I was more in tune with that when I read his “Space Trilogy” — Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra and That Hideous Strength. I’d actually recommend them as they have a bit more intellectual heft. I never saw him as particularly Islamaphobic in any of those, but I did see him as a pretty committed CofE evangelical. And yes, he can be pretty racist, though I figure he was writing in 1940. But the Space Trilogy is worth it to see where he is coming from.

    Come to think of it, CS Lewis, LeGuin, Herbert and Tolkein would be interesting to look at side-by-side as treatments of the quest story. LeGuin is the most avowedly progressive of the lot, Lewis the most conservative, methinks.

  73. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Thanks Jess for making things clearer regarding these series! I think I will look into Dune after all but then what with not knowing when to squeeze in the time to read, maybe I’ll wait for the big budget remake in the works (supposedly scheduled for a 2010 release but that’s doubtful)! As for CS Lewis I didn’t know about his space trilogy maybe I’ll look into it (but I’m still unsure of whether I want to watch his Narnia chronicle remakes). Tolkien I already am familiar with thank to the LOTR trilogy (I know I know reading it is better but at least I got the gist of what it’s about). I’ll admit I never knew Leguin was their contemporary I might check out some of her works too (especially if there are film adaptations). Again thanks!

  74. miga wrote:

    I was watching densha otoko (train man) with few friends last night, and figured that in some way, we’re alike (Racialicious and nerdy Japanese 4chan cast). We’re nerds, outcasts (in a certain sense), communicating pretty much anonymously through the internet, yet using it as a force for good instead of evil, and supporting each other all the way. We’re all together in this one, guys! Ganbatte, ne? http://images.google.co.jp/imglanding?q=densha%20otoko&imgurl=http://www.dramastyle.com/images/1/5/206poster_image_558_1_-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dramastyle.com/view_theme-g-Densha_Otoko_Episode_1-t-558-sq-30400.html&usg=__NFntfPeaXj3JCiJD9lYZTOc3OWs=&h=433&w=299&sz=39&hl=ja&um=1&tbnid=v7EvM6IjHg0trM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddensha%2Botoko%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Dja%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D54%26um%3D1&ndsp=18&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&start=62&um=1#tbnid=v7EvM6IjHg0trM&start=66

  75. Bao Phi wrote:

    Gah – I wrote a really long response about two days ago and I think I forgot to hit the ‘post’ button.

    In any case I am thankful for the discussion and sharing, and thankful to Racialicious for creating this space.

    Urbia – I think your perspective on the structure of online games functioning like a straight white boy’s club is fascinating and provocative – though I’ve heard that online games are environmentally hostile to peeps of color, women, and LGBTT’s, I’ve never heard a critique of the actual structures and how they set us up for failure. Thanks so much for that perspective!

  76. urbia wrote:

    Bao Phi – It’s like a parallel to real-world marginalization, if you think about it. In complex strategy games in which players of each ’side’ must collect resources in a virtual war and strengthen their armies, there’ll always be haves and have-nots.

    There’s an in-game currency, as I mentioned before with the real-money-trading. There’ s an auction house that can be destabilized just like the real economy (on one server, there was a bug that awarded a trillion game ‘dollars’ to people and the had to roll back the server to remove that). There are alliances formed through real-life bonds that would never happen in-game between members of the opposite enemy factions. So if you think about the game, as it was designed and intended, as a meritocracy, then these different ways of cheating is kind of like corruption.

    You can’t really cheat Player vs. Environment as it is hard-coded (to do so would be considered a bug or an exploit – the latter of which is a ban-able offense) but there are ways of cheating the Player vs. Player aspects of the game, or treating some players differently due to their real-life identities that will affect their progress in the game in ways completely beyond their control.

    I mean, within reason, it is expected. A MMO can be considered a social game. It’s like half video game, half chat room, and heck, some people even will purchase the game just to role-play on it and not even fight (but I digress). Being a social game, if you’re going practice bad etiquette by stealing people’s kills or looting gear that doesn’t belong to your class – somewhat considered ’stealing’ – then your reputation will spread and people may refuse to help you out. But at least you earned that.

    However, to receive different treatment just because of your gender or your race is a different matter.

  77. urbia wrote:

    Oh, another thing that occurred to me was that there are parallels between the derogatory comments said toward women in athletics and sports commenters and random comments that people will make toward women in competitive combat-based video games. Like, it doesn’t matter what her gamestyle is or what she wants to accomplish. They’ll take every opportunity to highlight her ‘mistakes’ in-game even if she was just fooling around and playing for fun.

  78. Phil wrote:

    As an old Asian comic book collector let me say this.
    The golden age characters were created in the 30s and 40s. What else did you expect? Remember that most of the writers were in fact Jewish. The ethnic makeup of the superheroes was both an expectation of the market for heroes at the time and the deep seated wish to assimilate into the mainstream white culture ala Superman.
    To his credit, Stan Lee created the Black Panther in the 1960s and the Falcon. The Falcon is probably more significant since his reason for being is not based on his ethnicity.

  79. ulises wrote:

    I actually always loved star trek because of its diversity. Even though sometimes its VERY cringe-worthy, i would say that more than any other show, Roddenberry’s message of a future of equality came through to me very clearly as a child, even if the stories and relationships could fail pretty badly.

    Nowadays, i’m an artist/writer of comics, and whenever i draw a character, i usually color them pretty randomly. No reason to stick to one palette, especially when a simple cartoon style doesn’t read as any race in particular.

  80. urbia wrote:

    (Part II of II)

    Another interesting thing I noticed was this. Recently, the company NCsoft did a crack-down on ‘botting,’ the running of 3rd-party programs that play your game for you and level you up even as you’re absent from your computer. It’s considered cheating and members of the legitimate playerbase report people when they see them auto-hunting virtual monsters to gain experience points. For some reason, this bot ban banned the accounts of people on one ’side’ more than the other. So one race lost a lot of its strongest members. This had a strong ripple effect. A lack of strong members meant that the other race was able to occupy vast territory and take its resources to gear up. They had unchallenged, uncontested domination over these territories for roughly two months. They practically colonized the area of the game known as the Abyss and were able to amass great wealth.

    Now, when that happened and one side was badly disadvantaged and losing, it sparked heated debates on the game forum of the server. The winning side totally ignored the number imbalance and banned accounts and blamed their victories purely on their opponents’ lack of skill or motivation (”You’re lazy, you’re stupid, you can’t play”) and basically said they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

    The losing side argued back that they were fighting an uphill battle because they had lost so many players. They rationalized that many players on their side had quit, anticipating no easy way to gain back the ‘lead’ that their opponents had received without even working for it. It was hard, they said, to gear up, because gearing up requires money, which comes from resources, which comes from having strong team members with whom to organize and beat back the enemy… but they couldn’t, because all their strongest players had been banned. It’s a chain reaction. And by the time their side reaches level 50, the other side would have been level 50 for months AND gotten better gear and riches. So they couldn’t expect to compete on a level playing field due to past inequality.

    Now, as a woman of colour well-versed in anti-racism, this tickles me seeing straight white males basically debate and use the exact same arguments that I’ve seen people of colour use to describe past oppression and the effects that roll-over into the present. As long as they’ve got a video game account and have their online (gamer) reputations at stake, they’ll ‘get it’ and accept that chain of logic. But you rarely see straight white geeky males defending affirmative action this way in the real world. Peculiar, huh?

    Anyway, I just wanted to throw that out. This is obviously a topic that fascinates me. There is just so much material in here and I’m sure there is more to come.

  81. Lake Desire wrote:

    Lupe Fiasco is also a hip-hop artist NOC. There is a DS on the cover of his first album.

    @Mike: As a teen, I was always the lone nerd girl being dotted upon by male gamers. I did NOT find it flattering. Repeatedly, they acted entitled to my time and body, would not take no for an answer, and turned abusive when I would not date them. I would not call this special treatment flattery but another form of male entitlement.

  82. Katherine wrote:

    urbia, your comment comparing MMO progress to racism REALLY hit it home to me. Best analogy ever, seriously. I have been trying to be fairly equality-minded and trying to recognise my privilege when I see it, but your comment was like a sledgehammer to my mind. Thank you.

  83. Katherine wrote:

    Hmm that last comment should really read “comparing MMO progress to THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS of racism” or something.

  84. urbia wrote:

    @Katherine – This reminds me. I was actually talking to a fellow gamer when that game first came out and we came to the conclusion that the game could be taken as social commentary about racism.

    Members of each faction are identified by the colour of their wings – black and white. Interestingly enough, we noticed on the forums, when the game first came out, that people were trying to choose a side to play based on who were the ‘good guys’ and who were the ‘bad guys.’ And it was generally assumed that the white-winged characters were good.

    However, the game designers didn’t even intend it this way. What happened was that the world split and two different groups of humans adapted to their environments. One ‘race’ was denied sunlight for generations so they physically changed. And the white-winged characters were actually the ones that invaded the black-winged characters and demanded that they worship them. (As they grew up with the benefit of sunlight and lush environments, they believed that they were blessed by the gods and were entitled to rule.)

    Yet despite this aspect of the lore, the newcomers to the game generally chose the white-winged characters because they were ‘good’.’

  85. Linda wrote:

    44 year old actress of color here. Grew up a quiet, slightly brainy, not quite nerd in white suburbs watching tv and movies imagining myself inside the box. 20 years in the business and its as complicated as it ever was, but I’m heartened by the younger generation’s willingness to confront the questions and bravery to confront themselves. Kudos.

  86. Bao Phi wrote:

    Hello all, still here reading and thinking. Wanted to say hello and thanks again for all of this – it’s fascinating to read.

    Did y’all here about this? For those of you who are non-videogame nerds, THQ is one of the major videogame developers and publishers, so this is big time, big money – not just some nutjobs making isht in their garage.

    trailer:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlKPvsvAnO8

    http://www.homefront-game.com/

    Homefront

    In the aftermath of a devastating global energy crisis, America’s industries and resources have been brutally seized by a nuclear-armed North Korea. The military is dismantled and civil liberties are crushed.

    Abandoned by her former allies, The United States is a nation under siege–a bleak landscape of walled towns and abandoned suburbs. This is a police state where high school stadiums have become detention centers, where shopping malls shelter armored attack vehicles. A once-free people are now prisoners…or collaborators…or revolutionaries.

    Homefront is a story of a future generation of freedom fighters struggling to liberate their homeland. Throughout the action the player is on a cross country mission to support the new American Army as they take up arms and fight back. The mission climaxes as the Resistance and the remnants of the U.S. Military storm the Golden Gate Bridge in a desperate battle to liberate San Francisco.

  87. Chia-Yi wrote:

    Great essay! I agree that we need to think more critically in general about things that we like. I’ve been reading the book How We Decide and Jonah Lehrer talks about research done by Philip Tetlock and how we are “prisoners of preconceptions.” I think this relates to your inner conflict because our preconceptions of what to expect of superheroes etc has been ingrained in culture for decades. We can’t get out of it because we ignore that the facts of it haven’t changed much and continue to just live with the way things are. We should be more critical of the Hollywood studios, publishers, etc.

  88. Mackenzie wrote:

    The mention of Firefly reminded me of: http://push.cx/2009/serenity-green An explanation of why there are no Chinese people in Firefly (except huddled in a dark train car in The Train Job).