The Racialicious Roundtable For ‘Flash Forward’ 1.9
Hosted by Special Correspondent Arturo R. García

By now, dear reader(s), you’ve probably heard that ABC has given the turkeys at Flash Forward an extra-long Turkey Day hiatus in order to give the writing a punch-up. Of course, if you read this space, you know we could solve the problem for the creative staff in four words: MORE CHO, LESS FIENNES. And it’s not just us who are off the Bedford bandwagon. As AfterEllen notes:
But honestly, Joseph Fiennes gets annoying after awhile, with his one-note performance (the one note being angst) as Mark Benford. How can someone be as grim as he with a wife like this?

Still, perhaps we’ve all been too hard on Captain Non-Charisma; as the Roundtable’s own Andrea points out, one of the men behind the scenes of Flash Forward is Brannon Braga, who helmed Voyager and Enterprise, the two Star Trek properties that don’t, ah, get mentioned as much as their sister series.
Ok, back on a regular sched now. Hope everybody’s doing well and avoided the Twi-hordes …
Mahsino: I just watched the original Twilight a couple weeks ago. To put it in perspective, it’s somewhere between Heroes and Dollhouse: bad, but entertaining enough that you can’t bring yourself look away. It’s a decent clean-the-house and fold laundry movie.
Diana: I was sucked in, but survived. I don’t think I’ve ever been in a theater with so many women, even compared to when Sex and The City came out. But for hangin’ with my girls, I probably would have waited to see it on Netflix.
jen*: Successfully avoided. I’m more of an Angel fan.
Andrea: Here’s me, not giving a f-ck about Twilight and the latest vampire trend in general. I work in a commercial building that containing a shopping mall; I’m more worried about the Black Friday/Christmas hordes.
Is it possible, or even plausible, that Mark becoming even more of a jackass this week – witness his misguided questioning of Stark and Wedeck – is a purposeful attempt by the creative team to let us see him “hit rock bottom” before redeeming him at the end of the year? (Mind you, he wasn’t very likable to begin with …)
Mahsino: I dunno, it seemed reasonable to question his frienemies even if he wasn’t subtle about it. Stark and Wideck both seemed to exude fake outrage though- I’m willing to pin it on either one o them.
jen*: He still bothers me, but I can understand asking. I don’t know why he can’t imagine that there is more out there when they’ve just experienced a freaking mass blackout. But he does seem to lack imagination.
Diana: You were reading my mind, Arturo. He was a total ass to everyone. He could have had the message traced rather than being such a prick.
Andrea: But, Diana, Mark only functions on prickiness. If he behaved any other way, we’d scream that he was acting out-of-character.
My beef with Mark is the creatives have no imagination: they are still deluded in believing that having a straight white (cis) male character would create instant relateability, even in his prickiness–no matter how poorly drawn this character is. (I think they’re counting on the years of folks seeing white men leading as heroes, mavericks, and anti-heroes, and sympathetic alcoholics to guarantee this.) Like I said in my initial review of FF, the creatives needed to switch the leads. Mark isn’t compelling enough, and Joseph Fiennes isn’t the best actor to lead this show. Not every pretty white man is instant lead-actor material, Hollywood..and everything white people do isn’t inherently interesting. Proof? Heroes.
It’s worth noting that Keiko moved to L.A. to build her own life and, presumably, pursue a musical career – Bryce doesn’t seem to figure into it much, if at all. Compare that to Bryce almost short-circuiting his own flash-forward and having, in his eyes, nothing else to live for.
Mahsino: It feels like their 2 minutes don’t synch up. Bryce basically spent most of it waiting for her in a restaurants while she was running around doing her own thing most of the time. Either way, I don’t care about their storyline, or Starks’ or Mark’s.
Diana: I’m with you, Mahsino. I wished they had spent more time on Demetri’s storyline of finding his killer.
jen*: I’m wondering if we shouldn’t have waited to Roundtable this show for a lil while, I only care about Demetri, now, and wouldn’t mind seeing Ms. Union again, either. But everyone else [except for maybe ... Janis and Wedeck] can go the way of the birds.
Andrea: The Keiko-Bryce storyline kept my head on the desk, y’all. The show’s music director seems to think it’s an excuse to continue to play some half-ass “Asian” accompaniment. Bryce dying of cancer (and reason-to-live-for flash-forward) is no justification for damn near invading Keiko’s mom’s home. (I almost threw my laptop across the room watching that scene ’cause it recalls times in history when white men could pull that ish with impunity–and on the threat of death to any PoC who tried to protect their female loved ones.) And Keiko whole story arc thus far is a pile-on of Asian stereotypes, like the person trying to get free of her cultural strictures of sameness (the managers frowning on her liking Hendrix and salsa dancing, the exchange with the tattoo artist, her mom introducing her to eligible Japanese young men and blocking Bryce’s entry (though totally justified)), Asians lacking creativity (her discussion with her mom about finding someone with imagination), and Asian men’s sexism (the manager’s not hiring her but demanding that she serve the tea). The final side-eye was when Keiko came to the US to get her individuality on. That’s when I quit Keiko and Bryce.
On the one hand, it doesn’t make much sense for NSA to not notify Dem’s superior officer about the phone call from Hong Kong (other than to establish the NSA as dicks). On the other hand, Dem in Hong Kong = more screen-time for Cho, no?
Mahsino: No. More time for Mark to throw around wild theories under the guise of helping Demitri. Let’s not get our hopes up.
Diana: Obviously, not in this episode.
jen*: I’m just hoping no one expects him to speak the language just because he’s Asian.
Andrea: I can see Pricky Mark coming at Demetri like that while they’re chasing down Shoreh in Hong Kong: “What do you MEAN you don’t speak ASIAN?!?” But we also know Dem would regulate with a single snap. I’m hoping it’ll start with, “Look, you Hong-Kong-colonizing motherf-cker…”

Open Mic!
Mahsino: As much as I like Cho and Vance and want them to stay employed, I just want this show to resolve itself already. It’s hit that Grey’s Anatomy level of melodrama.
Diana: Maybe the show would be served better if they actually narrowed the cast and only focused on the agents and their immediate flash-forwards. Dr. Death and Keiko, McDrinky and his daughter, the babysitter, and the kangaroo can all get the boot.
Andrea: I agree.
Jen*: Actually, I’d like more kangaroo exposition. Where does that even come from? What does it mean? Oh, and I looked up FF on wikipedia last week for some reason, and it kinda looks like the book might be more interesting than the show…
Diana: According to this week’s Entertainment Weekly, they will be explaining the kangaroo at some point.
Andrea: And, like Twilight and the vampire trend, here’s me, not giving a f-ck about the kangaroo.

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EMP wrote:
I hated the Keiko-Bryce story. Like really, why is it that every story with an Asian woman must be about the woman being oppressed by her parents, society etc, and white dude must save the day? Yuko Takeuchi should get more screen time, just have her come to her senses and realize she can do much better than Bryce – that would be awesome – like when they finally meet:
Keiko: Wow, you really found me. That’s creepy. Here’s the restraining order…..
And another thing, the FBI really has a short attention span. They keep getting new leads, investigate for like 5 minutes, and then drop it, and move on. What about the crows in Somalia? The ring? D. Gibbons? The blue hands assassins? The guys that ambushed them in DC?
Hopefully, the hiatus can fix the show.
Posted 26 Nov 2009 at 10:05 am ¶
malted_tea wrote:
A one week hiatus will “fix” FF? Since I missed the first 3 episodes, I’m not sure what there is to fix with the story’s basic premise.
That said, the Keiko story interested me because of its layered stereotypes (the cherry on top being that all three of her heroes/role models were Westerners and/or Caucasian). It’s like they tried to make ‘em all fit in her few segments.
So…
Co-signing on @EMP’s play of Keiko’s meet up with Dr. Death.
Lastly, seeing as this is Racialicious, I’m curious to hear what others thought about Dr. Death’s time in Keiko’s restaurant.
He spoke with three gentlemen who thought he was a crazy White guy looking for a virgin…and were seemingly willing to help him find one!? Because “that’s what these white guys do?”
It was an interesting play on how “Yellow Fever” is perceived by Japanese males.
Posted 26 Nov 2009 at 1:19 pm ¶
Ishtar wrote:
Andrea: I can see Pricky Mark coming at Demetri like that while they’re chasing down Shoreh in Hong Kong: “What do you MEAN you don’t speak ASIAN?!?” But we also know Dem would regulate with a single snap. I’m hoping it’ll start with, “Look, you Hong-Kong-colonizing motherf-cker…”
I laughed out loud at this.
I love your roundtables – in some cases more than the show you’re reviewing.
Posted 27 Nov 2009 at 6:05 am ¶
deathblossom wrote:
This episode was a snooze-fest. I hate Bedford, really, but I can live with him. You get used to bitterness. Suicide dude on the other hand, his cancer just needs to spring back up because dude GRATES. I can’t stand these, “My life is right as rain and I don’t care if yours isn’t, I’m going to be an annoying douchebag and judge you anyway!” types. This whole episode, I was just, like really? Dude is staking his entire life on learning Japanese, scurrying restaurants, and just in general, being an annoying ass nuisance? When Keiko’s Mom shut the door in his face, I gave a round of applause. Keiko was great. Her backstory was lame, but the actress made me smile and I felt like she was her character. But man, if her having screentime means more screentime of Bryce, then well eh…
Dr. Death and Keiko, McDrinky and his daughter, the babysitter, and the kangaroo can all get the boot.
AGREED.
Posted 27 Nov 2009 at 5:06 pm ¶
Mary wrote:
Co-sign with everybody who liked the actress playing Keiko. To the extent that the Bryce storyline was watchable, it was because of her… she had real sweetness and magnetism.
I was (not optimistically) wondering if this awful storyline would present a subversion at some point – like Keiko falls for the tattoo artist, or Bryce ends up committing suicide anyway after the mom and sister reject him. After all, if poor Al could kill himself, why not this jerk? But no, everything was played painfully, obviously straight. FailForward, indeed.
I’m sure one of the white characters will pop up with perfect mastery of Cantonese, just like Mark’s babysitter did with Japanese.
Posted 27 Nov 2009 at 6:32 pm ¶
Danny wrote:
Maybe it’s just me but I find most of the little sub-plots kind of lame. By now, I just want them to move a little faster in investigating because I get a feeling some major “predictable” twist will happen regarding the flashfowards if they producers really think they can push the theme of this show beyond season one.
Posted 29 Nov 2009 at 4:24 am ¶
beka wrote:
Sigh. Keiko feels to me like the oppressed yellow woman who needs to be saved from the sexist, stifling nature of yellow society. Hello, white saviour. I don’t know how this plays into the cultural context of FlashForward. I’m Asian-Asian, and proud of it. But I’m uncomfortable of seeing this drama played out over, and over, on supposedly “progressive” speculative-fiction shows.
And – I haven’t been following your coverage of the series, but – the nagging thing that got me when Bryce found out what “信” meant? Firstly, no one he asked knew what it meant: did he ever think to ask a yellow person? Secondly, the person who identified it could because… her father served in Okinawa? That’s not the most comfortable environment for Keiko’s American suitor, considering how touchy a subject the US military bases in Japan are. And, thirdly, the whole obsession with all things Japanese – why couldn’t 信 have been a Chinese character instead of kanji? I am craving good Asian characters, and good Chinese characters too, on my US-imported TV shows.
Sorry for the rant. I think the Japan-fixation is orientalist and unhealthy for all Asian actors and characters. *sulks*
Posted 30 Nov 2009 at 3:52 am ¶
Fatima wrote:
I liked Keiko and the story. This roundtable managed to drain all the energy from me.
Posted 30 Nov 2009 at 4:03 pm ¶
ah beng wrote:
the yellow fever emanating from the keiko-bryce story was nauseating. It made me stop watching this trash.
Posted 05 Dec 2009 at 2:58 pm ¶