What Do We Want?

by Special Correspondent Wendi Muse

One of the things that is constantly on my mind while I am blogging here is, “What do we want?” It’s a question regularly flung at groups outside of the dominant culture when they launch a complaint against some effort to appease them. But I, too, often ponder what the end result, the ultimate ideal, would be for people like me who write about race and the readers who digest the work and diligently comment. While I recognize that the question itself is huge and can have a whole slew of answers, I tried to come up with some of my own in order to get the ball rolling.

The sad part is that this was a practically impossible task. In attempting to answer, I simply came up with more questions.

How can I put into words the future that I want for children growing up generations beyond mine? How can my own personal wishes even be reflective of what may be useful, necessary, or even relevant in a time that I cannot see materialized in front of me?

But then I thought that maybe there was a way to synthesize some of the things that the voices here express all the time into a set of values that we want for the future.

1. Fair and Equal Media Representation
Let’s face it: people of color in film, print, and televised media are not fairly represented, if represented at all. We often fall into a set of stereotypes, simple tropes that have been regurgitated for centuries. Some of them are so widely used and accepted that they are sometimes completely impossible to discern, particularly by those who do not have a vested interest in studying, writing, or thinking about this stuff in the first place.

But even then, the frequency of these stereotypes is tiring and affects us all in ways that are beyond our powers to remedy just in creating awareness. In fact, sometimes, the awareness itself can be dangerous. It makes viewing any form of media a tiring process, one from which all joy has been removed, any element of comedy or surprise absent. Additionally, viewing films, watching shows, and reading the paper and magazines can make us hyper aware. We can then suffer from media fatigue, a side effect of which is perpetual unhappiness regarding any and all portrayals of people of color in the media, even the ones that may be worthwhile. We begin to pick apart even the most honest attempts at creating change or presenting fair portrayals of communities of color, which results in even more stereotypes, one of them being that people of color are constant complainers who can never be satiated.

My take-away is that people simply are not trying hard enough or that they remain unaware of the stereotypes they present in their work because it is so deeply ingrained in our collective unconscious. Stereotypes have become an inseparable element of our society. Until that is deprogrammed, an ideal in itself, and the end result is one in which people of color are proportionately and fairly presented in media, my job remains active.

2. Visibility and Equal Access to Resources
Because one of our main foci of otherness in the States is race, based primarily on our (in this case, US American) history of oppression, we sometimes become distracted from the other issues that impact our daily lives. The struggle for access to resources is real, and one that is suffered by multiple groups of people. The lines of otherness cross more frequently than many realize, exceptions of course being those who are directly affected. For example, take someone who is a poor immigrant of color with an untreated mental illness who participates in a non-Christian religion and identifies as transgender. There is limited written work on this person’s experience and even less recognition of the fact that ze may exist in our society. The sense of otherness results in invisibility. This person may fly under the radar of the organizations that may deal with race or gender or other identity politics, and certainly not be considered by more mainstream or government entities.

In addition to the issue of increased recognition by organizations for resources, there is the issue of very basic needs, like housing, education, and food. In our present state of affairs, these resources are placed very low on the priority list for the poor, for example, a population of which many people of color are disproportionately a part. As a result of multiple factors, some of them being negative overall opinions toward certain POC groups, unfair media portrayals, and ultimately a general disregard for the value of POC’s lives, their concerns are often overlooked and not addressed. One of the things that many people seek and have been fighting for over the course of centuries is an acknowledgement and granting of access.

3. To Be Seen as Individuals
In my personal experience, many people base their perceptions of people whom they do not know on what they have seen on television, in the news, or heard from others. Of course, their own set of experiences with people from certain groups also influences their behavior around them in the future. This is not an abnormal response, nor am I condemning those who take a Pavlovian approach to dealing with people who are different from them in some way. However, one of the main goals as expressed by both the writers here at Racialicious and many of those leaving comments is that this reaction is something that needs to cease in order for people who are not of the dominant culture to be seen as individuals, people with varying sets of values, ideas, and ways of life.

Whenever I see a negative image of black people or Southerners or women (in other words, sometimes watching 30 Rock makes me go into a figurative aneurism), for example, I get worried. I fear that when people see me, they think one thing based on a set of misconceptions, and correct and/or add on more with time, even as they begin to know me better. It’s something that I wish could be deleted from our way of thinking, this dominance of stereotypes. Some say that this problem can be solved via increased exposure to the “othered” group, but depending on the circumstances of that exposure, it may actually have the opposite effect, resulting in further gross errors in stereotyping of a group.

To further this idea, I also hope that one day, the behavior of various groups of color, the images in the media, and the individual interactions people have with each other will no longer bear the weight of being deciding moments. I want to see a society in which comedians can perform a skit related to a group of color, for example, poking fun at stereotypes, without worrying that a person of another group and/or the dominant culture and media will exploit that moment by cementing it as truth and not recognizing its comedic value and not anthropological importance. One day, can a movie like Precious, a comedian like Dave Chappelle or Margaret Cho, a reggaeton artist’s political affiliation, a lesbian’s voting choice all happen without being associated specifically with members of the group to which that person belongs?

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With all this said, I now wonder what your expectations, as readers of Racialicious, are at the moment. What are your personal hopes in terms of race or other identities that are often marginalized? Where do you see the country in which you live progressing or regressing to? And is there something you are doing personally to further these expectations?

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  1. atlasien wrote:

    What are your personal hopes in terms of race or other identities that are often marginalized?

    - I would like to see a society in which racism (and therefore race) fades away until it no longer exists. Instead, everyone’s ethnic identity, and ethnic differences, will be respected. Religion or lack of religion will be totally separate from the state, and uncoerced. Class differences will also fade out, replaced by a new economic system that allows true democracy and meritocracy.

    - there will still be borders, and indigenous people will have rights over their own land, but all borders will be permeable and egalitarian in the same way… if a border is restricted one way, it must be restricted in others (e.g. labor/capital). Situations where it’s legal to outsource a factory across a border, but illegal for workers to cross that border, will not be allowed.

    - Sexuality, gender expression, physical and mental ability, and other human aspects will be viewed as a spectrum, like a bell curve or a rainbow, and the people at the lower-frequency ends of the spectrum will be just as respected as the people in the higher frequencies. Currently we have a model there is one “normal” person (e.g. heterosexual) and everyone else is a deviation from that normality.

    Where do you see the country in which you live progressing or regressing to?

    - In the U.S., progressing and regressing in a constant fluid motion, like waves, but overall, progressing more than regressing. The danger is that a backlash, economic catastrophe or war situation will increase fascist-populist tendencies in the general population. One of the saddest things I’ve heard is that today, young people in Russia are more racist and xenophobic than older people, so that’s one example of regression.

    And is there something you are doing personally to further these expectations?

    - A little but not enough. Voting, cause advocacy, educating/learning, volunteering.

  2. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    I want and hope the U.S media will stop marginalizing certain minority groups when it reports on current events and social issues. Like, blaming Muslims for the Fort Hood shooting massacre. Or blaming Mexicans for illegal immigration, etc.

    Never gonna happen, though.

  3. Kenny wrote:

    Being traeted like an individual is huge.Ending discrimination both the open type and the type that causes so many economic , health and justice disparities.Media trickery.I don’t think color blind is the answer.How about color appreciative?

  4. Cindy wrote:

    It is a good question to ask what do we all want? Looking at the long term perspective: If real success is achieved, then the end result could be to make everyone ordinary. There will be no more pride parades, protest rallys or marches on Washington because there is no longer this otherness or separatist view. No one would give a second glance or thought that a sitcom is cast without respect to race, etc. We’ll all be judged as just another face in the crowd. Think how many people would lose their main focus in life.

    I know this is an oversimplification and probably a pipe dream occurrence in my lifetime. I wonder…Do we really want the outcome if all the goals of civil rights movements are achieved? I’m not saying we want the oppression and discrimination to continue, but how will we draw our identity when we truly enter a post-racist, post homophobic, post etc. society?

  5. atlasien wrote:

    What does saying “it’s never gonna happen” accomplish? I hear that all the time, so I’m not just complaining about your comment, DIMA. I’m not saying I’ve never had cynical moments either… but what’s the use of saying change will never come about? Doesn’t that just mean agreeing with the typical social-darwinist-racist view of humanity? If humanity is so irredeemable, why bother in the first place?

    I especially hear variations of “white people will never do X” or “black people will always be Y”. I think the main purpose of that statements like that is to make the speaker sound wiser than they really are by invoking a sense of experienced world-weariness. If you want to take things in REAL perspective, the truth is that ALL of our struggles are totally inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. A million years ago human beings did not exist. A million years from now we’re not going to exist either… either we’ll have died out, or we’ll have changed into a species that is totally unrecognizable. A thousand years ago white people did not even exist as a racial category, and predominantly future-white nations weren’t particularly powerful. A thousand years from now our current racial categories are not going to exist either. I mean, I think this is kind of obvious… the only thing that is constant in this universe is CHANGE, which is why I hate hearing those “never” and “always” worlds. Maybe I’m just holding people to an unrealistically literal standard, but that’s how I feel.

  6. Eva wrote:

    I would like for people to realize that about 90% (if not more) of who and what we are has nothing to do with us. No one can control when they were born, where they were born, who their parents were, what race/religion/gender/sexual orientation they are, whether they are abled or not, how many fat cells they have.

    If people realize that so much of life is a crap shoot, it’s harder to marginalize or demonize people for being who they are.

    (now I realize a person can change their religion or gender but my point is that the feelings a person might have about their religion or gender isn’t something that can be changed. If one likes being a Muslim they shouldn’t be forced or coerced into becoming a Christian, if a person is born a man but knows in their heart that they are a woman, why should they be demonized for wanting to have gender reassignment surgery?)

  7. elise.anne. wrote:

    this may be too basic, but i’m starting small.

    i want all my (white) people to truly, truly listen to others share their stories, and to believe the stories and trust the story tellers.

    i think that is step #1 of combatting white privilege.

  8. atlasien wrote:

    @Cindy:

    “There will be no more pride parades, protest rallys or marches on Washington because there is no longer this otherness or separatist view.”

    What?

    Oppression is not the only reason a group coheres together and has a strong shared identity. And groups that march on Washington don’t necessarily want to be separate!

    As for “pride”… are Americans who are really into Scottish pride and get together to do Highland Games type things and play the bagpipes being “separatist” and embodying “otherness”? Ethnic identity is neutral. In the future I envision all people being proud of their ethnic identity. Racial markers will not be important. Shared culture will.

    “Think how many people would lose their main focus in life.

    This is just a weird argument. The only people who truly have race (race in the abstract sense as separate from ethnicity and culture) as their main focus on life are a very small group of sociologists. They’d just gradually transition into studying something else. For example, there used to be a lot of people studying smallpox. Now there aren’t.

    “Do we really want the outcome if all the goals of civil rights movements are achieved?”

    YES!!!

    “how will we draw our identity when we truly enter a post-racist, post homophobic, post etc. society?”

    Similar to the way we do now, except that cultural difference won’t involve oppression, inequality, fear, hatred, anger and violence. People will be free to express themselves and cohere into new groupings or traditional groupings. But all the differences between groups will be value-neutral.

  9. April wrote:

    Great post. I would say all the goals Wendi outlines are worthy ones. I have been thinking about a couple of these points recently, with all the discussion around “Precious,” as well as previous conversations about Tyler Perry, etc. I’m well aware that people of color are still very much marginalized and stereotyped in Hollywood, but often it seems like we–black folks, at least–complain about every damn thing, and it gets old. I think we often fall very short of #3 in our own analysis of the media: perhaps the latest flick from Lee Daniels or Tyler Perry or Spike Lee or whomever does not represent your experience, because the “black community” is not one homogeneous mass, and one director can’t please everybody within it.

    @ atlasien

    “Class differences will also fade out, replaced by a new economic system that allows true democracy and meritocracy.”
    Even if we did have “true democracy and meritocracy” (I’d be curious to see what that’s supposed to look like), would that actually erase class difference? After all, there would always be some people with less “merit” than others.

  10. Cindy wrote:

    @Eva…I mostly agree which is why I think that what we choose to do with the remaining 10% becomes so important.

  11. yolanda wrote:

    I want to be seen as a person and not as a black person. What i mean by that is that while i don’t want people to be “colorblind” i want them to recognize my being black as one of the many things that make me awesome, and not something that separates me from them. i don’t want people to stereotype me and decide what it is i must be like before getting to know me. i don’t want to be invisible and for others to look at me and see right through me. i want a society where poc do not have to be resigned to just deal with these things as a fact of life; i want to be an individual not just in my mind, but in society.

  12. distance88 wrote:

    Wow. First of all, “what do we want” is a really great and probing question–I wish I had more time to think up a great answer…but here’s my feeble attempt anyway…

    Fundamentally, I think we need to change our perceptions of the word “different”. Too many people attach negative connotations to the word–such as ’separate’, ’scary’, ‘not normal’, or ‘odd’. ‘Different’ shouldn’t be such a divisive word. Once we can accept difference, we can spend a lot more time focusing on our similarities.

    And I love atlasien’s comment #5–hope dies last, not first.

  13. Melanie wrote:

    I would love for my job (social worker) to not be necessary. Meaning: mental illness and addiction are not shamed and services are readily available and accessible without my assistance, affordable housing regardless of ethnicity or involvement in the justice system and medication available for all who need it without having to fill out a ream of paperwork to qualify for an assistance program. Dismantling of gender, race, sexual constructs would be nice.

    Most especially I never want to hear, “I’m not racist/sexist/ablist/classist but…” again.

  14. piile wrote:

    i would hope that we would all have the courage & feel the right/necessity to speak up in defense of those who are being marginalised, no matter what our own make-up is. it is frustrating to not be taken seriously just because i am not a member of the groups i try to defend.

  15. atlasien wrote:

    @April: “class” is totally different from merit. Merit should be defined as “those personal qualities which make you most qualified at a certain very specifically defined task.” Merit can be something you’re born with (like Lance Armstrong and his super-circulatory system) or something you develop through your own efforts.

    Class oppression is at the root of almost all the problems we have today. I’m NOT saying it’s always the most strategically important to address, or saying in any way that “class trumps race”… I’m just saying it’s the root cause. You can have class oppression without racism (in monoracial societies) but you absolutely cannot have racism without class oppression. In racism, racial minority groups are discriminated against mainly by denying them access to economic benefits, so race always involves class.

    Saying class is the “root” is maybe the wrong anology… maybe it’s better stated this way. Think of the unjust system as a vaguely humanoid robot. Class is the upper leg, race is the lower leg. The robot needs both to walk. If you take off its knees and lower legs, it can still walk, or walk-crawl, but it won’t move nearly as powerfully as if you add those lower legs back.

    Other forms of oppression also rely on class-based economic inequality. E.g. Women earning less than men, women’s work valued less than men’s work. Trans people forced to pay for transitions so that only the most upper-income ones can go as far as they want. Disabled people judged less worthy of services than able-bodied people because they’re “too expensive” to accommodate.

    Merit is something dependent on individual difference (genetic or effort-based) in the context of a specific task. Class is unearned, collective-based and determines your entire worth as a human being, not just regarding a specific task. All human beings are different and have different abilities, but their core value as human beings should always be totally equal.

    I don’t think it’s so hard to imagine a world without class. For a really simple example, look at Star Trek. It’s got a pretty strong anti-capitalist message. I’m not saying it’s the best model for the future, it leaves out a lot (e.g. there are no gay people anywhere!) and there are a lot of inconsistencies with its model of human sociological development, and ways in which its future is constrained by social prejudices of the present. But think about it. You use those materializers to make almost anything you want, without paying, so that would destroy the entire consumer-based economy we’re accustomed to. People don’t use money and they don’t get paid for what they do… they do it out of a sense of personal fulfillment, and to be the best that they can be.

    Materializer technology isn’t going to happen any time soon, but I do think at some point we’ll reach a stage of technological development that makes our current economic system totally obsolete. Whether that means we go forwards or go backwards remains to be seen.

    I think pro-capitalist ideology is so embedded in our thinking that it’s hard for us to imagine a future without class, even when it’s almost right in front of our eyes. Class does not equal difference. Class does not equal merit. We are not going to be living “Harrison Bergeron” if we get rid of class.

  16. thesciencegirl wrote:

    I want to not be the butt of the joke.

    I want my nieces, nephew, and potential future children to have opportunities equal to their white (and male) peers.

    I want to be seen as an individual; you said this, but it’s so important that it bears repeating. I am not a representative; I am just me.

    I want to be able to discuss race and racism with honesty, and without feeling incredibly frustrated and demoralized at the end of the conversation.

    I want to speak with authority about my experiences or within my areas of personal or professional expertise, and not automatically have my competence questioned.

    I want my white friends and acquaintances to stop disappointing me, when it comes to acknowledging racism or their own privilege.

  17. Adrienne wrote:

    I want Racialicious to interview the actress Michelle Banks about her one woman play “Reflections of a Deaf Black Woman” that is on DVD now. I think that exploring the ways that deafness and being Black can intersect and the conflicts between being of the Black community and being of the Deaf community should be shared on Racialicious, because it explains alot about the ways that Deaf Black people do not fit in with the predominately White aspect of Deaf Culture sometimes (or often, of course depending on personal experiences. It is something I can say from personal experience is a weird paradox to be in…for instance I know more White deaf people who speak clearly than Black, and alot of it had to do with economics–those with more money to put their deaf child through tons of speech therapy to speak as well as a hearing person. As a teenager, I once got into a heated verbal fight with a Deaf White female schoolmate who tried to argue that I was better off attending a deaf university than a predominately Black (HBCU) after she said that being Black didn’t matter the way that being Deaf does. There is also Black dialect ASL that is different from mainstream ASL.)

    You can learn a bit about Michelle Banks here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlf2EO72s-g

    http://michellebanks.com/html/biog_reel.htm

  18. Adrienne wrote:

    I want to continue at motherhood, expanding my horizons, sharing ideas with people, listening and learning from other people’s experiences. I want to get to a compromise with myself about my being Deaf and Black, having a cochlear implant but learning ASL, having speech that is understood some of the time instead of most of the time. I want to do the best by my son in raising him to love education, explore his world, and help him to continue to be at ease bridging the deaf world and hearing world as a CODA at his young age. I want him to also appreciate being Black and the rich history that generations before us have in this country and globally. I want to be comfortable and okay with the prospect of having a biracial child while raising a Black child.

  19. Cindy wrote:

    @atlasien I fear you may have missed the point of what was a rhetorical argument. Of course oppression is not the ONLY reason groups come together. Oppression is however the reason groups march and protest. The otherness and separatist view is that of the oppressor. It is the basis for most stereotyping and discrimination.

    FYI-I was referencing Pride Parades as the specific moniker used for LBGTQ marches not in the general sense that you ran with.

    I beg to differ that sociologists are the only ones devoted to civil rights battles for equality. Virtually every community in the US has strong courageous people who devote their lives fighting for equal rights. This very blog is an example of people devoting their lives to the discussion of race and racial equality. I wouldn’t want to even venture a guess on the number of hours a week that is devoted to moderating Racialicious.

    The argument was that we are so embroiled in the battle that maybe one day we will be lucky enough to have no more work to do. Have we really thought about what we want in that moment? We are 50-60 years into the civil rights fight and many more generations before we can declare a success. That’s a lot of generations devoted to the fight whether directly or by open dialogue like we are having here. It will require a paradigm shift in our identities and our thinking. It is difficult to fathom that time because we live now and our identities are embroiled in the fight and being hyper-vigilant so we don’t lose ground.

    Of course we want the final outcome to be the end of racism, but have any of us really devoted time and attention to what that would mean? …what that would look like? Devoting some attention today to what we really want could actually be useful in directing our efforts today. I believe that was the point of Wendi Muse.

  20. atlasien wrote:

    @Cindy: OK, I just disagree with the way the terms were set up.

    “I beg to differ that sociologists are the only ones devoted to civil rights battles for equality. ”

    But I didn’t say that. I said a small number of sociologists are the only ones who are really focused on race as an isolated theoretical concept. I really think civil rights leaders and activists and media proponents are doing something quite different. E.g. Jena 6 activists several years ago were not interested in race as an abstract concept. They were drawing on appeals to shared culture, shared ethnic identities, and shared nationality (appealing to sense of American justice) in order to draw attention to an oppressive structure. Race overlays all this stuff and links it together, but it’s not the same as culture.

    I don’t want to spend one second of my time defending race as a concept, racial boundaries, racial difference or racial categories. But wherever race intersects with ethnicity and culture, that’s different. It’s a fine point but I think it’s important. I can’t imagine a world without culture and ethnicity but I can quite easily imagine one without race.

    In a better future there might still be Pride parades but they’d be less charged with meaning. They’d be more like civic/historical/educational events, perhaps involving recreations, and not political at all, because there wouldn’t be a need for political action. They would involve a celebration of shared identity plus a theme of “remember back when there used to be gay-bashing?”

  21. Jess wrote:

    Reading people’s ideas here, I wondered, has anyone else read the work of Kim Stanley Robinson?

    You can quibble with bits of it, I am sure, but I get the sense his Mars trilogy (Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars) is a really good starting point to talk about the kind of society we’d like to see. It’s to my mind one of the better thought-out treatments of utopia, or at least as close as people are likely to get.

    He talks a lot about how to construct economic systems and notes that we have really had the ability to provide basic needs for everyone since about the 18th century. (And it’s probably true if you measure by per cap incomes and such). The question was always about political will and how to navigate that around the need to let people enough leeway to satisfy themselves with what they are doing.

    (altasien, you especially I thought might like his take on how things change if you guarantee rights in the workplace that you have outside it, given what you said about class upthread).

  22. April wrote:

    @atlasien:

    What you describe, in which people use their merits for personal fulfillment and not for economic gain, is not meritocracy…that’s communism (as per Marx). (I, for one, don’t believe such a system is possible, given that 1- it has been tried and failed and 2-I believe there will always be enough people who seek more resources than would be allotted to them through such a system.) “Meritocracy” does not at all negate a capitalist structure; the idea is that merit, rather than familial ties or monetary assets, provides individuals with access to upward mobility.

  23. Snarky's Machine wrote:

    I want every person of color to be able to experience the complexity of their identities without worrying about “oppression olympics”. I want marginalized folks to work collectively towards resisting oppression, rather than engaging in oppression jenga. I want groups who normally do not play well together to reach out to each other.

    I want people to stop making excuses (she’s well read, she’s upper middle class, she’s cute) for why my life is valuable versus other people of color. All life is valuable and even if I weren’t those things and despite those things I am valuable.

    If I suck (and I often do) I want it to reflect only on me. Not on every chubby black female who will have the misfortune of showing up on the scene after me.

  24. urbia wrote:

    If I were to make a list, ‘The Removal of Double Standards’ would be on it, and also ‘True Meritocracy.’ In fact, I don’t think the latter could be possible without the former. Heck, it could be as simple as using the same adjectives to describe the exact same actions done by whites and POC, ie. criticizing/debating vs. whining. If we ‘whine’ about racism, then whites ‘whine’ about 9/11 and terrorism… so there, to put things in a more in-your-face manner. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on subtlety when it comes to race so as not to offend, but for important matters like civil rights, getting to the bottom of the matter should be the goal instead of all this clutter society calls ‘politeness.’

  25. atlasien wrote:

    @April: please feel free to describe communism by whatever simplistic formula you desire. Just keep in mind that according to your formula, Gene Roddenberry is one of the biggest communists ever.

    Neither capitalism nor communism is synonymous with meritocracy. Both can encourage it and destroy it. Since we live in a capitalist society it’s pretty obvious that there are major capitalist limits to meritocracy. E.g. Paris Hilton, e.g. every child who dies without getting to deserve anything, because our ridiculous infant mortality rate is higher than Cuba’s. Capitalist structures encourage some meritocracy in the middle, but chokes it off at the top and on the bottom in order to maintain inequality, which maintains cheap labor.

  26. m. wrote:

    I want REAL sovereignty and self-determination which goes deeper than three feet into the earth. My family does not have access to our own water and needs it; a coal plant and non-Native people living in places as far away as Las Vegas or San Diego do not.

    I want tribal governments to not mimic the corruption, greed and deception of non-Indigenous governments. In December, I want the the Navajo Nation government reformed!!

    I want the lands taken from the Kingdom of Hawai’i (illegally occupied territory, as recognized by the UN) returned to the Hawaiian people, even if independence is not possible. The claims of self-determination will be recognized, and their sovereignty will include WATER.

    I want people with mental illnesses, those who are differently abled and people that are sick to have all the support they need, which would include both emotional AND medical. Not everyone has the ability or time to build a damn networking system; some people need their %$&*$#* medicine/(physical) therapy!

    Philosophy matters more than politics. On that note, I want the advocation of coercive Eurocentric theories and ideals to stop.

    I want Native people to raise more smart youth than spiritually-/emotionally-bankrupt individuals. I want my hoped-for future children to be culturally-competent people that value their familial ties and acknowledge their clanship, regardless of blood quantuum. I want to not be scared of the possibility of an interracial relationship or mixed family because of this, either.

  27. Jess wrote:

    I think that perhaps April here is confusing success in a market system with success as defined by merit.

    That is, it’s easy to say “well, someone did better selling t-shirts, therefore they must be more talented” but the market doesn’t work that way. Markets reward what is more profitable, not what is better (depending on how you define better).

    iPods, for instance, are not any better in a technological sense than any other music player — but there was a massive (and clever) advertising campaign that made iPods the standard player that most people have.

    Regarding people, whether someone is a success or not depends on a whole set of factors that, in a capitalist society, aren’t always dependent on whether you are better at your job or have more talent. My family had no money for a while, but since my parents were very well-educated the opportunities for me were much, much greater than a poor kid who was just as smart but whose parents were working at McDonalds or something.

    There is no perfect system I don’t think. But you can create spaces and systems in which the damage done is less. Societies do change. Slavery was seen as a perfectly ordinary and acceptable institution in many, many cultures around the world. It is not so today. A married woman and children were once essentially property. (And not so long ago at that).

    I always tell people that we don’t always notice the changes because we are in it — if you were to time travel back to 1950 you’d discover that while the technology was easily understood, your behavior would be really, really weird to the people back then. (Even the average white male’s behavior would be — even unconscious racists would likely show a little shock at the casual use of the n-word, for instance, by other whites). 1950 isn’t all that long ago.

    I can’t differ with most others here on “what we want.” It isn’t inevitable by any means. But there has been some movement in that direction.