The Racialicious Roundtable For Flash Forward 1.6
Hosted by Special Correspondent Arturo R. García

What’s the bigger piece of sci-fi: that everybody on the planet can be knocked the you-know-what out at once, or that an imprecise recitation of Schroedinger’s Cat can work as a pick-up line?…
… No, really, let me know. If the latter is even close to plausible, I’ve still got the monologue on my DVR so I can transcribe it. Meantime, let’s see what the Table thought of “Scary Monsters and Super Creeps.”
SUPER CHO + JETT JACKSON TEAM-UP HOUR! Demetri is like Midas on this show. But it already looks like he’s starting to burn out, no?
Mahsino: Like I said in our first roundtable for this: Demetri’s back must be tired from all this show carrying he’s doing. Yeah Stan and Al are lightening the load, but still… I’m just hoping his “murder file” was just a cover up for witness protection and he’s in a short coma during April 29. Yeah, it would be really convenient, but I’ll take it.
Diana: I like the Demetri/Jett Jackson pairing much better than Demetri/Shakespeare. Mahsino, I’m with you. I’m hoping his lack of a flashforward and his murder can be explained by something else.
jen*: Great to see them together, and any pairing with Fiennes is gonna suck in comparison to one with Jett Jackson – from jump. I liked the ~Blue Hand~ exposition without our British buddy, but I’d love for Cho to get a revelation of his own – maybe some way to change his “destiny”?

Ok, so this week we confirmed that Charlie the Hobbit is 1) evil; 2) involved with Lloyd and a group responsible for the Blackout; 3) proficient in some bizarre hyper-nerd variant of game. What I’m wondering is, could he possibly be *the* Big Bad?
Mahsino: He can’t be the big bad, we’re not even midseason yet.
Diana: And he’s literally not that big. Is it just me, or did he look less like a hobbit when he was on Lost? His close haircut and lack of facial hair forced me to focus on his nose as I was watching. I digress.
jen*: Naw. He doesn’t have the fill-in-the-blanks to be the Big Bad. He just seems like he’s stuck on himself enough to not have been worried about the whole knocking people out for 137 seconds thing. He’s a worker bee.
The scene with Dylan on the bus was clunky (for example, how the hell would the bus driver know *that exact address?*) but the inclusion of the Mexican/”Cholo”/Chicano passenger was interesting. You don’t often see a character of that fashion portrayed as sympathetic – even if he did threaten the bus driver’s life.
Mahsino: Yeah, that could’ve gone horribly, horribly wrong. Instead it was just- not bad? The whole suspension of disbelief also hit me when he agree to stop off at the exact address, did the busdriver not have a radio to call dispatch to get CPS?
Diana: It was a bit unrealistic. I was mad at the bus driver for hounding Dylan about $1.55, so I didn’t mind when the passenger stared down the bus driver like he was crazy.
jen*: Riiiight. Drop him right *at* the house? Whatev. School-bus drivers don’t do that. And, it was nice to see that the passenger was friendly, but tres noticeable that it was supposed to be surprising. Brown people can actually be nice, y’all – surprise, surprise. But we always gotta keep that skreet edge. “I will put you down like a sick dog…” – Not the best threat I’ve heard, but still apparently effective. So, overall – this interaction didn’t totally suck, but, coulda used a lil less extremism.
I don’t exactly care for the Bedfords, but the scene in the living room was sublime in its’ awkwardness. And I was actually in Mark’s corner during his dismissal of Simon … but he lost me again in the kitchen argument. How’d you feel about it?
Mahsino: Every time Mark get’s mad at his wife’s flash forward, I half expect him to lift his leg up and pee on her to mark her as his territory. I get that he’s projecting his future failures onto her, but this is ridiculous. I feel like it’s never occurred to him that the reason she leaves him might not just be because he drinks again, but because he’s a sanctimonious asshat. Either way, I do find his leaps of logic to be either good writing/acting in regards to being believable in real arguments.
Diana: Frankly, I was glad to see his wife call him on his BS because he was being a class-a asshat. At the same time, I thought she gave up a little too quickly on working out their issues. But something about their characterization just doesn’t make you want to invest in them as a couple.
Arturo: They’re just unbelievable stiffs, both of them. That’s what happens when you stick melodramatic characters in what could/should be a sci-fi thriller.
jen*: Completely blah. I did feel like she gave up a little early, but then I figured – if he’s been this annoying *sober*, he must’ve been a real prick on the sauce. Somebody, somewhere made a mistake in making him the lead, because I spend each episode wishing HE was the one with no vision/murder in his future. These guys really do remind me of the Bennetrellis: stars by pure chance that I completely do not care about.
… And then there’s Janis. “Why am I crying?”, I thought, was a well-placed line for her situation. But it was nice to hear that Maya still cared, no?
Mahsino: I’m neutral on Janis. I put her in the same category as the nanny in that I don’t know what her purpose is or why I should care about her. And I don’t like Maya, I’d imaging that looking up a potential suitor on Mosaic would be as creepy as Google/Facebook stalking them. Not a good look. Either that, or it’s my general negative disposition of tv characters named Maya (mainly from that other show that shall not be named).
Diana: I was really relating to Janis. The fact that she almost lost her uterus and her confiding that she had never thought about having children until the flashforward and now faced with the prospect of losing her fertility made her character very realistic. I won’t lie, I was broke down.
jen*: I felt for Janis and her sitch, but I’m no fan of what they’re doing with her character. I loved her reason and common sense on the Nazi issue, and wish she could’ve had more power. I loved her no-quit attitude that led her to take down her attacker while she was bleeding out on the pavement. But discovering that her chances of pregnancy are now tenuous, at best, wasn’t as sympathetic for me and it should’ve been. Maybe cuz I thought her flashforward was kinda boring in the beginning. It’s like the rest of her personality getting fleshed out was superfluous exposition on the way for us to get to her Quest-For-The-Baby.
Mahsino: Thinking back, although her logic skills are pretty sound and she’s kinda badass, what grinds my gears is the fact that she managed to get an ultrasound at 10pm at a doctor’s office.
Open Mic!
Mahsino: Joseph Fiennes must really be in shape from all the running he does on this show.
Diana: I was mad that they dressed Dylan up as Flavor Flav for Halloween and then, when he went missing, his father told the security guard he was dressed like a pimp. WTF?
Arturo: That got my antenna twitching, too. My theory: Lloyd just went to some generic shop and got what was billed as a “Flava” outfit. Add to that some lack of cross-cultural awareness and there you go. At least Dylan wasn’t “acting the part.”
jen*: I also caught that pimp business. Not cool. But also, could someone please tell me about this kangaroo? If it got loose from the zoo during the chaos, wouldn’t there have been a few more wild animals that got out as well? Where are the lions and tigers and bears?
Diana: Ooh, Jen, that kangaroo thing is odd. This is the second time it’s hopped by for no apparent reason. On another note, I was also freaked out about all those bodies with blue hands.
Mahsino: Maybe since Mark seems to be the one who keeps seeing the kangaroo, it symbolizes his constant jumping to conclusions.
Character bios and images courtesy of Flash Forward Wiki and ABC

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malted_tea wrote:
Between missing this and the first episode of V (ahem, another roundtable? It relates to race!) I have surrendered to the fact that I’ll become one of those DVD buying people.
You know the ones: they get the gold-gilded box set with hologram cover and have all night (commercial-free) slumber parties to watch the thing. Yeah.
But in the interim, reading the Roundtable is fun! Thanks!
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 11:07 am ¶
tiffany wrote:
The pick-up line might work on me depending on how mangled and how charmingly delivered. Strangely enough, slightly mangled might be better than perfect. But then so far my favorite involves a polar bear.
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 11:48 am ¶
Diana wrote:
@Malted_tea –You could also use a Netflix or like subscription to get your tv dvd fix.
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 12:34 pm ¶
Mary wrote:
I’m OK with Janis, but mainly because I think she’s a better counterpart to Demetri than Mark. I liked the reveal in this episode that their friendship went way back to their school days. Because right now, it’s all about Demetri/John Cho for me. He also seems to be one of the few characters who is uniformly well liked whenever I read reviews of FlashForward elsewhere. Unlike the Benetrellis on Heroes, who for better or worse always had a significant following in the fandom, the Benfords don’t really seem to have the same level of viewer goodwill.
This show seems to enjoy doing racial bait-and-switch moves like that. There was the woman of color last week who was implied to be Wedeck’s mistress, until it turned out she was actually President White Guy’s mistress. There were the Asian assassins last week only to have “Chinese terrorist plot” idea pretty much shot down this week. And then this, the vaguely threatening-seeming guy on the bus who turned out to be looking out for Dylan.
I don’t know quite what conclusion to draw from all this yet, except that the writers/producers seem conscious enough of racial assumptions to play with them. Of course, Heroes did the same thing in its first season (I’m thinking of the clever reversal of the “scary black man” and “fragile white woman” assumptions in the DL/Niki/Jessica marriage), and we all know how that eventually turned out….
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 12:37 pm ¶
eccentricyoruba wrote:
i really enjoyed this Roundtable. i think the kangaroo may end up being a sign or something because this is its second appearance.
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 1:13 pm ¶
Persephone wrote:
@ Mary — I was thinking the exact same thing about the bait-and-switch.
Also Demetri and Al are just so pretty together…
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 2:13 pm ¶
laromana wrote:
On a somewhat unrelated topic, why is Gabrielle Union not included in the cast pics for this series?
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 6:42 pm ¶
Mahsino wrote:
probably because G.U is only slated for 4 out of 9 episodes
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 8:28 pm ¶
Keith wrote:
I have only seen a few minutes of the past few episodes of Flash forward and to be honest it hasn’t grown on me might be because of how annoyed I’ve been with heroes and Lost turned out. However, after watching the V pilot Monday, I might give flash forward another chance. Is it me or did the decide to write the new V series around people who suffer from A.D.D.?
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 9:16 pm ¶
Karen wrote:
You guys are gonna be pi-i-i-issed next week. I wish they would kill off mark or even annoying dude at the hospital instead of my lover man…
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 10:07 pm ¶
CParis wrote:
Pretty much everything is on hulu now for free. Or I catch it OnDemand, also free.
Posted 05 Nov 2009 at 10:45 pm ¶
vcious wrote:
I love watching this show. On the base level it’s just okay and has The Cho, but then what adds to my watching experience is the fact I get to read your guys’ comments and talk about it with some friends of mine. So it’s a real communal experience, but nobody I know takes the mystery thing too seriously.
The fact both Lloyd and Charlie the Hobbit (uh, sorry, I meant, Simon) had flashforwards suggests to me they’re not Big Bad. Was it all an accident? Probably not. But they could’ve done it completely unaware of the results. Or maybe they did know but thought it wouldn’t be so bad. Not sure.
Demetri and Al was definitely the best part of the episode. And Olivia telling Mark everything the viewer wants to tell Mark, short of “you’re such a douche, ugh”. Janis’ arc was great, too.
Really cringed at “pimp suit”, because who buys their kid a “pimp suit” for Halloween? However, the big clock was actually pretty cute on the kid.
I recognized the Mexican character’s actor, he was on Oz (I know, who wasn’t, but his character had a neat arc on that show). Agreed on the race bait-and-switch situations.
Posted 06 Nov 2009 at 1:38 pm ¶
malted_tea wrote:
@Diana and @CParis. Thank you for the tips. Canadians, however, get the shaft when it comes to these services. Sigh.
Double sigh because I finally did get to catch an episode of FlashForward. No spoilers, but @Karen is right and folks may be fighting mad.
Posted 06 Nov 2009 at 1:42 pm ¶
mute wrote:
I’m gettin really tired of these people walking around getting flustered without questioning the validity of these flash forwards. It just so unrealistic. Humans can often be sheep, yes, but that hardly any of them entertains the possibility of an alternate future–fuck a flash–just strikes me as stupid.
hopefully this past episode (nod to karen @ 10) will start of some new thinking with the characters.
@Malted in 1.: V was okay, just okay. It made me want to revisit the first episodes of Earth: Final Conflict.
Posted 07 Nov 2009 at 6:40 pm ¶
Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:
Random thoughts…
I just noticed that the actress who plays Nicole, the Bedfords’ babysitter, is the same one who plays Jane, Roger Sterling’s new wife on Mad Men.
Also, I’m clearly the only person in the world who watches Numbers, but it’s weird to see Charlie Epps’ girlfriend as Maya on this show.
The kangaroo seems very reminiscent of the polar bear on Lost.
And John Cho is very very hot on this show. I used to be kind of on the fence with him, esp since he came across as kind of douche-y in the extra features on the original Harold and Kumar DVD.
I may have to give my blessing to have Cho become the new patron hottie of Racialicious.
Posted 09 Nov 2009 at 12:08 pm ¶
Jay wrote:
Also, I’m clearly the only person in the world who watches Numbers, but it’s weird to see Charlie Epps’ girlfriend as Maya on this show.
I think Navi Rawat is cool, yes I do watch numb3rs (she isn’t written like the typical main character’s girlfriend who only does minor things), but I think it’ll probably get canceled because it’s way too smart and not in the doctory kind of way that people are used to, which is kind of sad. And David Krumholtz (Charlie) was in Harold and Kumar as well.
Posted 10 Nov 2009 at 8:04 am ¶