Oh You Can’t Speak To A Brotha?

By Guest Contributor Ndidi Oriji

Dear MTA Employee,

I am the woman who requested your help Wednesday morning at approximately 9:40am. I came to the station agent’s window and told you that I swiped my metro card and the display read “See Agent”. You told me to swipe it at the window. When I did, the display read “See Agent” once again. You looked at me and you said, “It says we should go out to dinner.” I responded “What?” and you repeated what you said. I asked you to help me because I didn’t want to miss the train. You repeated, “It says we should go out to dinner, you should give me your number…” I walked away angry, while you yelled after me, “Miss! Miss!” and pushed the button to let me in. I ignored you, used a new metro card to let myself in and went on my way. I’m writing this letter to explain my anger and in the hopes of preventing this type of interaction in the future.

You don’t know me. I am 32 years old. I am a lawyer. I have a mother and a father, two brothers, two sisters, one grandmother still living and a lot of cousins, aunts and uncles. I have a boyfriend. I have no children, although I love kids. I go to church on Sundays. I’ve lived in Brooklyn, New York for almost ten years. I like to sing although my boyfriend says I have a terrible singing voice. I enjoy spending time with my friends. I love to read. I watch too much television. I’ve traveled a lot and love going all over the world. I would hope that people who know me would describe me as nice and funny, compassionate and kind.

I walk a few blocks to the train station every morning and most mornings, on my way to the train I have to deal with three to four interactions with younger or older Black men. Sometimes it’s “Good morning Sister” or “Have a good day.” To which I most often reply “Good morning” or “Thanks”. Most of the time though our interactions are not as innocuous. There’s “Hey sweetie” and “Nice legs” and “You are really wearing that outfit” and “Damn” and “Hey baby” and sometimes it’s just loud, undecipherable grunts and noises and looks with clear and understood meanings. I don’t respond to any of this. I keep my head down and try to walk by quickly without eye contact, which often elicits no responses but can also lead to “Oh you can’t speak to a brotha?” and “Alright then whatever!” and “This is why brothers and sisters can’t get along!” and “This is what’s wrong with sistas!” Those are some of the “nicer” responses. Many use much more colorful and hateful language. This happens on the way to the train and on the way from the train. It happens early in the morning and late at night. It happens in Brooklyn and on the streets of midtown Manhattan as I head to my job. It happens everywhere in New York City and it is constant.

It affects how I approach everyday activities. I’m constantly on the lookout as I walk in my Brooklyn neighborhood. If look ahead of me and see a group of Black men gathered at some point that look like they’ll harass me, and I decide that I don’t have the strength to walk the “gauntlet” right now, I cross the street and keep my head down. It hurts me to do this because I don’t want to assume. I know the danger of assumptions. I have brothers, a father, a boyfriend – all of them Black and all of them subjected to wrongful assumptions that are made about them everyday. But I’ve also had enough bad experiences of my own to never let that hurt stop me from crossing the street. Sometimes I cross the street more than once even though it’s only a few blocks to the train, just to avoid having to choose to respond or not respond and suffer the consequences. Sometimes I put on my headphones. Sometimes I put on my “don’t even think about talking to me” face. Sometimes these strategies work and sometimes they don’t.

I tell you all this because I want to give you context. I want you to understand that although you may have just been in a flirty mood on Wednesday morning, or you may have been trying to make small talk, or you may have just wanted to have a conversation with someone, or you may have spoken to another woman right before me and she found you cute and funny, I was not in the mood. I was trying to get to work. I needed your help. I didn’t need you to turn my morning into one long defense of my humanity. I didn’t need you to add to the “gauntlet” that I already had to walk to get to the train station. I needed you to respect your uniform and respect yourself and respect me. I needed you to treat me like you would treat your sister or your mother, as a human being who needed your help. I needed you to look at me and not see a potential date, or a woman or anything but a customer who was on her way to work whose metro card wasn’t working. I needed you to do your job, help me with my metro card and send me on my way with a “Have a nice day”.

I don’t know you. I can see only that you are a young Black man. I imagine that you have a mother and a father, brothers and sisters, grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles. You may even have a girlfriend or a wife and maybe children; perhaps you go to church on Sundays. You may have lived in Brooklyn for many years. Maybe you like to sing even though your girl says your voice is not the best. Maybe you like to spend time with your friends. Perhaps you like to read and watch television and travel, and people who know you would describe you as nice and funny, compassionate and kind.

But none of this came through on Wednesday morning. The only thing I got from my interaction with you was to identify you as one of the men who somehow think that because I am a young Black woman they have a right to have access to me, to refer to me in an intimate way, to have completely unsolicited and unwanted conversations with me, even to touch me inappropriately in the street. I don’t know you and you don’t know me. But I hope that this letter helps you know me a little and the next time you see me or anyone else who needs your help, you’ll just do your job, help them, and send them on their way with a, “Have a nice day.”

Thank you,
A Brooklyn Resident.

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Ndidi Oriji is a lawyer and a resident of Brooklyn, NY, by way of California and Nigeria.

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Comments

  1. malted_tea wrote:

    Hmmm. Not sure what to say as a fellow sistah. I will verbally acknowledge men who have only gone as far as eye contact before they have a chance to go about their antics. The hope is that they will recognize that I’m more than the framework they’ve set up for me in their minds.

    But, between your story and my own, there’s still a level of discomfort. Distrust? In our own men. That’s sad and I wish that I had a better way to cope while men, of all cultures, had a better way to relate to women.

    Perhaps we bring it down to the basal level and recognize that we’re animals with an imperative to mate then work up from there?

  2. malted_tea wrote:

    And while I said “mate” I think “couple up” may be more reflective.

  3. little mixed girl wrote:

    *claps* great piece.
    i’ve been in similar situations, same with my mom and sister.
    it’s happened too many times to count, and it’s very frustrating.

    guys: try approaching girls at the club or bar. please don’t corner people at their place of work and force a conversation; don’t corner people in the store and try and get a number; and if you think a girl is 14, why are you trying to hit on her?!

  4. Femmeflame wrote:

    I am really sorry that someone – possibly a Black female decided to make the posting above the first comment.

    We are not animals that have no control of ourselves in heat. That’s what every racist against Black people want to think – even the well-intentioned ones. Malted_tea your post gives them more confirmation that Black men are just animals in the singular or in packs.

    Thanks to Ndidi for such an excellent thoughtful post.

  5. Shawn wrote:

    THIS. Thank you. I’m a young black woman living in Washington DC, and we have a pretty bad ‘holla’ situation as well. There is one there is a gauntlet on my walk to the train, and if I don’t have my ipod with me I will cross the street to not have to deal with it. A couple of things that frustrate me is that is almost always black men that do this to me. I’ve never been called at by a group of white men hanging outside a store. Is it race?Socioeconomics? Even with the innocuous seaming “hellos”, the feeling of being singled out is disturbing. I’m always thinking why didn’t you speak to the any of the men in front of me or the asian woman behind me? Another is the total lack of understanding I get when I try to explain how upsetting getting called at in the street is to my male friends and even boyfriend. These are men that would never call a woman, yet their thoughts on it are that maybe it’s annoying or obnoxious, but not that big a deal to just ignore them. They don’t understand the tension that you feel, or just the general creepiness, or just the feeling of being put upon. The last one especially, I just want to go about my day without being unwantingly propositioned (and then being made to feel that if I respond negatively, I hate black men). I’ve never been able to find a way to get that across. Thank you for expressing it so articulately.

  6. Eva wrote:

    I’m 49 years old, next month I will be 50. When you are a middle aged woman, you start to become invisible, the older a woman gets, the less people know she exists. Maybe that’s why when I read a post like this one, I don’t get what the problem is. But then I remember when I was 21 and looked 14, that I got a lot of unwanted male attention and though it never bothered me, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother other people.

    If that MTA worker said that to me, now, I would have smiled and said, “I am old enough to be your mother,” since people tell me I look ten years younger, guys are usually shocked when I say that, and then I tell them, “I’ll be 50 next month, so there.”

  7. Slush wrote:

    Yes, what a great letter. I hope a lot of men read it too!
    @Shawn – white men call out at me all the time. I’m white though, which is probably related. They might have any number of different assumptions or ideas about women of color that would change the way they behave. But I just want to say, they’re just as bad, don’t give them a pass.

  8. deathblossom wrote:

    This is why I never walk anywhere without my mp3 player. Sometimes I don’t even have the music on. I just keep my neon green headphones in.

    Flirting between employees and customers is never appropriate as there is usually a power disparity involved which with employees using the fact that you’re stuck in their line and customers knowing you need to sale items and remain courteous. Furthermore, it’s indicative of the social conditioning women have been put through – being kind in the face of rudeness and basically raised to be nice that encourages men to try to take advantage of you.

    There’s a time and a place for everything and no matter what, the time ends when one has been denied and dismissed. One certainly does not follow up a polite decline with “We can just hang out” and “be friends” or please. I am not OBLIGATED to be nice to nor does one being a black male and me being a black female mean I am more obligated to be nice or more receptive to one’s rudeness than women of other races.

    ABW posted about this earlier this week as well, basically asking does this shit ever work? Because if it doesn’t, why does it keep occurring? I don’t think it’s because people are actually looking for your number or to compliment you, but that they get a sick sexual high from making you squirm uncomfortably and that behaving in this way allows him to exercise his sense of authority over women. So as far I’m concerned, whenever it happens, bring ‘em low.

  9. GeeLennox wrote:

    I completely understand where you’re coming from. There have been several blogs about street harassment popping up lately.

  10. derevolushun wrote:

    Yeah…

    I loved this post so much b/c it really reflects how I feel a lot of the time.
    Tired (and sometimes angry).

    And sometimes like Ndidi says we know that the comments/acknowledgments/flirtations come from a good place. But they do exist on a continuum of of the comments/acknowledgments/flirtations/antics that don’t come from a good place, that fail to see me/us/my sisters as individuals.

    And sometimes participating in that patriarchal bargain where we smile when we don’t want to b/c we know it will mean a smoother interaction is just not what we feel like doing.

    Sometimes we are really just not in the mood.

    And that’s perfectly okay.

    Thank you for reminding me/us Ndidi .

  11. mistersquid wrote:

    The men who need to read this letter probably don’t read this blog, if they read much at all. I say this because self-reflection and other-awareness are two of the hallmarks of reading and to be sensitive to read widely enough that you spend time on a blog about matters concerning race would imply a high degree of awareness.

    On another note, black men who do this to black women partially do so because they believe that black women are the legitimate objects of their control, that black women are beneath them and so the proper targets of their sexist advances.

    Finally, I also object to the usage of people who share racial characteristics with the possessive. For example, black women referring to black men as “our men.”

    It’s presumptuous and wrong. Black women have no more claim nor access to black men than black men to black women.

  12. wendi muse wrote:

    i can really identify with this. it’s sad, but it’s the way i have to be as well to get from point a to point b. and re: comment #7: headphones, even those the size of earmuffs, don’t make any difference. people still make rape-y comments that make you want to either curl into a ball and cry or punch someone in the face. the sad reality is that once you have suffered from blocks and blocks of harassment, the nice guy at the end who simply says “hello” gets the screwface from me. it’s like even then, something simple and nice can be misconstrued as just another comment that should be added to the huge pile of sexist crap you put up with blocks before.

  13. Crystal wrote:

    I remember HATING this about living in NYC as a young woman. And I found it especially insulting? degrading? confusing? that it NEVER happened when I was with a man “of my own” – boyfriend, brother, classmate. It was a sure thing that I wouldn’t need a coping strategy if I was going to be traveling with a guy, because nothing was going to happen. Everyday bullshit. I applaud you, Ndidi, for taking the time and mental energy to write out this frustration and share it with the MTA employee and Racialicious. Anything you can do so that it doesn’t get you down.

  14. deathblossom wrote:

    @wendi muse:

    I’m sure they still make the comments. The difference, though, is I have in-ear headphones, so as long as something’s playing, I can never hear anything. And even if something isn’t, they’re basically earplugs, so I still can’t make out much of anything. I suppose not everyone wants to walk around oblivious, but I like my bubble.

  15. ks wrote:

    Thank you for this, Ndidi.

    Men who read this: please, tell your brothers and friends, next time they do this when they’re with you, about what Ndidi has said here. Ask them if anyone has ever disrespected them. Sadly, they will probably say yes. Ask them to recognize that whatever their intent was, the feeling is the same: someone treating us like we aren’t real, like we don’t count, like what they do to us doesn’t matter.

    The men who do this don’t listen to us. They can’t hear us. Maybe they’ll listen to you.

  16. Afrolatina wrote:

    As a queer woman of color who has, literally, been pawed at in public by white men and men of color alike I am happy to read this post. It brings up some pain but I am glad that this constant attack is being brought to light. I happen to work in an industry where there is constant access and commentary on my hair and my body from men, women, and even children of all walks of life. There are simply some days when I want to dance at a party or work at a store without being “complimented.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Qpi-fW6jA

  17. Amina wrote:

    Thank you for writing this. I live in Minneapolis MN and I deal with this on a daily basis too when I’m walking and on the bus, so do a lot of my friends.

  18. Mieko wrote:

    Thank you thank you thank you.

    No one has quite been able to explain the conflict I feel week after week, passing men on the street. It hurts me to distrust men, especially brown people like me, solely on their gender and race- yet at the same time, if I let my guard down even for a second, horrible things happen that make me clam up again.
    I recently had a horrible incident with a few men- I was trying to be polite, trying to downplay my knee-jerk suspicion of men and several of them took advantage of that.
    There really are no easy answers to something like this. Sure, it’s easy to say: give people a chance, stop being so suspicious, men should treat women with respect, and so on- but this is a world-wide cultural problem, and it will take a long time to remedy.
    But I think it’s an important first step to admit something like this- to admit that when men do this, they are not only hurting their victims (whether they intend them to be or not, they DO victimize) but hurting themselves, and the impact goes far beyond that one catcall or groping.

  19. Elton wrote:

    Wonderfully written piece. It should go in the New York Times or something else that a lot of New Yorkers read.

    I don’t know what it’s like as a black woman to be singled out and objectified, but I do think I know how it feels to be made to constantly feel different and made into an object of curiosity simply because I’m different or unique or special. It’s good to be special, but… everyone’s special.

    Unfortunately, it’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy of the angry Asian man when people hound you for being different either overtly or covertly, consciously or subconsciously, and then expect you to cater to their whims/curiosity/fetishes. Whether you react to being singled out through avoidance, anger, sarcasm, or submission, you always play right into their hands as a stereotype. “Oh, he’s one of those socially awkward Asian guys. He needs more confidence.” “Oh, he’s one of those angry Asians. What’s the big deal?” “Oh, he’s one of those assimilated Asians, the ones we like.”

  20. Asha wrote:

    Great letter. Everything I’ve ever wanted to say to those people who think we should appreciate the “compliments”.

    I agree with Slush. I’m white/South Asian, living in NYC, and the catcalling is a regular occurrence by men of all races. But maybe this is because what race I look to someone depends on their own assumptions. That being said, the catcalling was definitely more frequent in the predominately lower-middle class Haitian neighborhood I used to live in, and I have wondered whether it’s a socioeconomic thing.

  21. A. wrote:

    Shawn – white men DO catcall at women. They generally catcall at White women and Asian women.

    I’ve had to deal with this shit. Too many times. I generally just tell the guy that he’s being quite rude and I would prefer that he didn’t do that. I either get an apology or told “Damn, why y’all sistas got so much attitude?!” What’s so funny is that if they did this to white women, they would likely inform someone of it, and someone would be losing their job.

    I don’t need to put up with this sort of shit from black men. I really don’t. I have enough sexist and racist shit to deal with from white men – like I need to put up with brothas not keeping their hormones under control.

  22. Shadow And Act wrote:

    As mistersquid said above, the men who are guilty of this kind of behavior likely aren’t reading this. Those men do what they do because they believe they can, and can get away with it. I can’t think of any other logical reason.

    I also wonder if it’s a “class” issue (even though I’m always uncomfortable using that word), and not about race. Education, socioeconomic status, etc, are of influence. The lower the level, the more likely the rude behavior, and vice-versa. I’ve seen women walk by construction sites, for example, with the majority make-up of the workers being white; and the men are just as belligerent towards the woman.

    I also wonder if these men are expressing themselves the way most men would maybe prefer to express themselves towards women, but don’t, because they’ve been “socialized” differently to see that as unacceptable behavior, even though their minds work the same way, and are thinking the same thing.

    It’s all a sub-sect of this patriarchal world in which we live. So, unfortunately, this kind of behavior isn’t going to disappear. Challenging the patriarchal ideology that creates an environment that allows for this to occur, will be the way to combat this.

  23. Lola wrote:

    I dealt with the same harassment when I lived in Ohio and had to walk everywhere. In college I did start crossing the street or taking detours to avoid walking past groups of black men. Now I live in Missouri and drive most places. However I have been harassed at airports by black men who work there. They speak to me in an overly familiar terms, yell things like “hey sexy” (to which I responded F*ck you old man) or scold me like I am their child. These are men that are working in customer service type positions (shuttle drivers, luggage handlers) yet they are rude to me and polite to nonblacks. I’m traveling, I’m commuting, I’m busy, I’m stressed: I just want to get from point A to point B. I am not obligated to pay special attention to you or acknowledge your sexual advances.
    And yes like someone else mentions, I have told male friends about this harassment and they act like I’m making it up or ask what I was wearing.

  24. Shadow And Act wrote:

    A question to all the women: I’m a filmmaker (also a man), and I’d like to make a short film that essentially puts men in situations that reflect the experiences women have, as Ndidi writes about above, so that men can really understand how this kind of behavior affects women.

    So, my question is, what would the equivalent be for men? In other words, what could be done to one of these men to make anyone of them feel exactly what you feel as you walk by them?

    Ultimately, as I see it, it’s about power and control (the men wielding both), and the powerlessness and frustration women feel as victims of these kinds of “attacks.” And I don’t think simply talking to these men, and telling them how they make you feel does much to alter their behavior. If anything, doing so probably encourages them even more (in a way, you’re acknowledging their power and control over you when you do try to talk sense into them, or lash out at them).

    So, instead, maybe it makes more sense to actually show them by putting them in similar situations in which they feel exactly what you feel – just as angry, frustrated, powerless, etc. So, if you were given the opportunity to come up with an analogous scenario, what would that be?

    I hope this makes sense.

    Thanks in advance.

  25. SingleInTheCity wrote:

    Hey,
    I totally understand where you are coming from and by no means am I diminishing your experience or the experience of millions of women, but being recently single and 31, I take a different approach to these men. One, I must say that I grew up on the Upper West Side so this was not a common occurrence for me. Two, I now live in Harlem but the guys who seem to do this are teenagers or don’t bother me because I look too “out of their league.” Three, I occasionally get the really old creepy guy who must say something but I rebuff him by letting him know that he’s too old to be approaching anyone in that manner. With that said, how else are people supposed to meet? I don’t like to frequent the clubs or the bars and if I do would most likely have to go alone bec most of my girlfriends already have boyfriends or take the “been there, done that” stance. I don’t go to church, agnostic here, so what’s a person to do. I always wonder why a really good looking guy doesn’t speak up more or doesn’t approach me on the street. And if you can’t meet people at work, then we are all screwed. Do I have to start wandering up to single, attractive men or is that a social faux pas?

    And a while ago, white male construction workers used to do this a lot, especially to white women. Is it right, no, but if he looked like Antonio Sabado Jr. (the younger version), I must say, I wouldn’t mind.

  26. Big Man wrote:

    I feel bad for women whenever I hear about stuff like this. Seems like a crazy hassle.

    However, I don’t know if anybody can just view somebody as a “person” without assigning gender, or race or something to them. And of course that affects how we treat each other.

    It’s sad that this sister has to feel this way, but I don’t know if her preferred alternative is possible.

  27. Shelby wrote:

    I’m Black and Black men definitely harass me *more* than men of other races. But white men do harass me and I usually feel an extra layer of creepy when they do it. And I’ve noticed that white people (usually older men, but women too) are the only ones, in my experience, who will make sexual/”othering” comments about me *outside of* the street/club setting. Like, during an actual class (”Is my “exotic” appearance really relevant to the discussion, professor?”)

    I dunno if I’m biased, or just trying to give them a pass…but harassment from Black men just does not reach the same level of “You are beneath me. I own you” that harassment from white people does. I mean, I definitely fear more for my safety when Black men harass me on the street or at the club (and with good reason. Many of these encounters include things that are, by definition, sexual and physical assault). But there’s just something uniquely degrading about a group of white women commenting on my body/appearance as if I weren’t there. Or a drunk white guy coming up and calling me “chocolate” or “mamacita” and asking me to shake my ass for him.

  28. thesciencegirl wrote:

    Excellent articulation of how street harassment affects a woman’s whole day. I have ranted about this a lot because I, too, face the gauntlet (here in Chicago) during my daily commute and the few times my male friends have witnessed me being harassed, they are always dumfounded. Don’t even get me started on people touching me (NOT okay) and public masturbators (REALLY not okay).

  29. jen* wrote:

    I don’t think this kind of thing is limited to big cities. When I lived in Augusta, GA I got this stuff all the time. It’s probably worse in the bigger cities because walking is more convenient, but in the AUG I got the comments on the street, in the library, at the Riverwalk/park, etc.

    I’ve always wondered about what deathblossomalluded to – do dudes get the ladies with this sort of thing? Some people say they wouldn’t do it if it didn’t work – but I don’t know anyone who responds favorably to that kind of thing…

  30. Yonnie3k wrote:

    When beginning to read your letter, my initial reaction was that you were overreacting. Then I went on to read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs, and understood your POV a little more. However, reaching the final paragraph, I again began to disagree. The man at the agent’s window was not disrespectful (albeit inappropriate – begin that you were a customer and he an employee), nor did he act as though he had “a right to have access to you, to refer to you in an intimate way.” Yes our experiences shape our perceptions, but this man had no way of knowing all of your experiences. It sounds like he was flirting with you, respectfully. And you were not receptive, which is perfectly fine. But I don’t think that this makes him a bad person or that it is fair that you put him in the same category as men who touch you inappropriately on the street. Chances are, a simple “I have a boyfriend” or “I’m not interested” would have squashed it and he would have fixed your metro card with a smile.

    Also, reading the comments, I’m shocked that so many women have these same experiences. I’m an attractive 29 y/o Black woman. Being heckled/cat-called on the street has NEVER been (this big of) a problem for me. Perhaps it is because I’ve never lived in a pedestrian city? Perhaps it is b/c I don’t look very approachable (I’ve been told that I have a mean “rest face.”). Perhaps it is b/c I don’t have the kind of body (parts) that get the attention of this type of man? In any case, I am thankful that this has not been my experience, and I understand how it has shaped your feelings about the situation.

  31. kate wrote:

    thank you so much for this piece. when I see a group of men – black, white, whatever – i feel abject terror and just focus on walking past as fast as i can! I don’t want to hear what they say about/to me – whether it’s “complimentary” or “you’re so ugly.” it’s all objectifying and hateful.

  32. cocolamala wrote:

    i was downtown, on the way to work one morning, when a strange man came up to me and asked “where’s your man at?”

    I looked him dead in his eyes and said “Do I need to check in with you here, or something? Do I need your permission to walk down the street without a male escort?”

    I watched his expression change to surprise, and he backed off. Our paths may have crossed again, downtown, but he hasn’t demanded “my papers” again.

    I have also retorted with “where’s your girlfriend at?” One dude actually said “she’s at home/work.”

    Another morning, I was walking to the train, and a guy stopped his truck on the corner and waved and yelled something at me. [I hate being "picked up" from cars. There's a weird power imbalance there - I can harass and follow you, but you can't run away faster than I can drive, I could force you into my car]. I gave him the finger and went about my merry way. He drove around the corner, but then immediately got out of the car and started yelling at a landscaper, claiming a woodchip had flown into his eye while driving by. He yelled at the guy for about 10 minutes. Lots of anger and power issues on display at 8:10 am.

    Lord, I could talk about street harassment all day. Mostly about me yelling and cursing real loud, looking around for rocks to pick up and throw.

    A group of dudes yelling offers “to help” a woman as she passes by laden down with groceries. They’re making noise, and calling her to their attention, but not really, you know, making helpful movements.

    In general, yelling across the street is not a recognized form of polite address.

    How yelling is part of “getting a girl to consider you as a romantic option” escapes me.

  33. storm wrote:

    This was a great piece of writing.

    All I can say is — I feel you Ndidi and understand your frustration.

    I ‘ve lived in NYC all my life and (sadly) I’ve just grown accustomed to having to walk the “gauntlet” each day as I travel to and fro.

    Your leader should be read by all young men on the “corners.”

  34. storm wrote:

    sorry. that should be “letter.”

  35. SeattleSlim wrote:

    For all of you ladies who have experienced this, I am so very sorry. Reading the post, and the comments, I could feel the genuine terror, because the men are terrorizing you.

    I know there are seedier parts of Seattle, but the part where I work, I don’t really have to deal with call outs. Thank God Seattleites tend to be cold and focused on only where they hell they are going. We’re too busy with our MP3 players on, damn near all of us, walking with our Starbucks and tunnel vision.

    I dealt with something like this at the parking garage I used to park at. That irritated me and eventually I used avoidance. What I find that helps me in these situations is, most might disagree but bear with me, is actually talking to them and keeping it moving. If they say hi, smile say hello, but keep that pace nice and fast and indicate with your body language that you are not stopping, not even if God stood in your way. I also find if they ensnare me in a convo, or they say, something about dinner, like the MTA guy, say, “My husband/boyfriend would not like that very much” or “Can my husband/boyfriend come?” This way you take control of the conversation and the interaction and you draw your boundaries.

    What this is these men are crossing their boundaries with you. The problem is, unfortunately, if they don’t respect your boundaries, the only person (and you shouldn’t have to do this) that can command them to respect your boundaries is you. It is hard, it sucks, but they will continue to violate your space and your boundaries unless you draw that line in the sand and say, “Once you cross this line, you’re in my world and I reserve the right to deal with you however I wish.”

    Take pepper spray and a knife (that’s what I do). It’s empowering and it will give you confidence that if they acted up, you could at least blind them or cut them enough for you to get away. Same with a martial art.

    Good luck and Godspeed sisters. You shouldn’t have to deal with this BS.

  36. gatamala wrote:

    they get a sick sexual high from making you squirm uncomfortably and that behaving in this way allows him to exercise his sense of authority over women

    Exactly. It’s a power trip. He’s behind that dirty, reinforced glass and you’re rushing by in a suit going about your business. He will MAKE you acknowledge him.

    I purposely avoid looking at large groups of men, wear bright white earbuds, shades and keep a mean mug face on.

  37. SeattleSlim wrote:

    Also, the reason for saying “Smile” is because humans have a hard time being mean to someone who is kind, or gives the impression of being kind. Unless these men are sociopaths and the lowest scum walking, they will be hardpressed to call you mean names and the like if they are let down, kindly.

  38. CEdwards wrote:

    I think this is a great bit of conversation, but I’m really curious in taking it deeper regarding the cultural norm issue: Is hooting at women something in our (black American) culture that we’ve condoned?

    I believe men in general (whatever their background is) are generally raised to objectify women, but why is it particularly OK for black men to think they can speak this way to women? Is this also a regional thing? I’m trying to remember if I’ve ever had this experience south of the Mason Dixie line…

  39. Margari Aziza wrote:

    I swore I wrote about this subject awhile back, but I can’t find the post. I completely relate. In my late teens, I got so tired of the daily harassment in my late teens that I decided that wearing the Muslim veil was the main solution. I wore it for 5 years and took it off for almost 10. I’m not advocating this choice for every woman, but I was tired of being harassed and at time intimidated by men. The harassment was not limited to Black men, but they felt the most entitled to access. I experienced this type of harrassment while traveling in the Middle East, without the fear of violence. My white traveling companions were shocked by it, seeing it as something abnormal about Arab culture. I would get in countless arguments saying that because they grew up in middle class white environments, they have never been subjected to the type of de-humanizing treatment that I was on my walks to school, to work, or to the store in East San Jose. Now throw in the Muslim philly mix, the “aks” will stop you on the street or shout out their cars, “Sista are you married?” I’ve heard crazy pick up lines, had Black men and even a white man stop me to tell me that I was attractive. But in general I do get a lot more respect than I did pre-hijab days. Sorry for the ramble….

  40. jen* wrote:

    CEdwards – Augusta is definitely south of the Mason-Dixon, deep in the heart of Dixie. And the hollering happens in ATL, and SC where I live now, too. But it was worst when I was a teenager in Augusta. I didn’t really know how to respond, I just knew I wanted to get away.

    Even if I was just getting out of my car and going in the house, sometimes a car would drive by with a scrub [hanging out the passenger side..] hooting something at me. And I wondered – what’s the point? We’re never gonna meet – never have a conversation – what is the freaking purpose? Other than to make me feel uncomfortable…

  41. SeattleSlim wrote:

    @23 Shadow and Act,

    Yeah, I agree. Telling them “Oh I feel (insert feeling here)” won’t do anything because they are not really interested in hearing that.

    I think if I had to put them in the same position, let’s say I stopped and talked to one of them, I would say, “Ooooh you look fine as hell. Let me see ya 6 pack. Turn around let me look at ya buns (lol I would use other words). What’s your stroke like? you got a girl? Kids? Are you taking care of them? See, cuz I need a man that can take care of his kids. I bet you have a six figure job huh? Where do you work?” I would go for all of the things that make him “male” and objectify him using those. I bet the minute he/they was/were objectified, they’d think twice lol.

  42. Tracy wrote:

    First off, you should have reported the transit worker. Half my family worked down there; transit has rules about that kind of nonsense. Could have dude some “time in the street.”

    I am almost 42 yrs. old and left nyc 12 years ago. Until the day I left, single or married, I experienced street harrasment everyday I left any of my homes. I had my buttocks touched once on Fulton Street, Bklyn, in broad daylight. Hey, he was only trying to pay me a compliment, right?

    The worst part of these experiences is when I protested this mistreatment, then I was a b*tch, or worse. How dare I ask that I be treated with respect? Perish the thought!

    My husband and I aften debate this. He is of the type to speak to every person a polite greeting. He likes to acknowledge our common humanity.

    I for one find that even when brothers start with a polite “good morning,” it is always going to lead to something else like asking for my phone number. When I mention my spouse, I might get to hear the retort about how “he ain’t got nothing to do with me.”

    Bottom line: it is hard to remain open to human communication when you know from experience that every encounter is going to lead to every strange man asking for a date or more plainly, sex. While I feel bad for the good guys, the blame lies with other men folk, not the ladies.

    P.S. Even my 13 year old, flat-as-a-board daughter is starting to be subjected to the leering looks. How long before the nasty talk starts?

  43. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Shadow and Act

    There’s no situation you can film men in that can help them understand how upsetting it is to be harassed.

    It’s like any number of racial slurs that white folks call POCs – there is no racial slur for white folks that is an equivalent. Because white folks are the dominant culture, and the point of a slur is to “put people in their place.” If your place is top of the food chain, nothing that a person below you says can cause the same hurt, as you can cause to them.

    On its most basic level, what street harassment from men to women does is remind women of their place. It reminds them that – as Ndidi so eloquently pointed out – you can be an accomplished, intelligent and complex person, but to the world at large women are only valued based on their eff-ability.

    I teach freshmen and had a problem with a student who persisted in making approving comments of the way I dressed. I spoke to several different people about this, and almost all the men I spoke to said something along the lines of “Tell him it’s flattering but inappropriate.”

    They all assumed that any woman must be flattered to be told she is attractive.

    It is NOT flattering. It is dehumanising and – whether or not the men realise it – it is profoundly deflating. You are reminded over and over and you have absolutely no value to the world – beyond the sexual pleasure you might bring to a man.

    There’s no quick quip, no reversal of this situation that can establish that.

    Think of it this way: could you make a movie that would show white folks how it feels to be a man of colour facing racism, simply by portraying a universe where white folks don’t have power?

    I don’t think you can – as long as we live in a world where skin colour and gender is a determinant of power, you could make 100 films flipping the binary and it wouldn’t illustrate anything to anyone – who didn’t already get it.

    I think the only thing that really works is breaking it down for people. So we could all carry Ndidi’s piece around in our back pockets and read it out to anyone who seeks to show us our place…but that prolly isn’t very realistic. :)

  44. Shinobi wrote:

    Thea, I just posted on my blog about modifying this into little cards to hand out to harassing assholes. I’d love suggestions!

    Shadow and Act,
    There are a lot of elements to street harassment that I think would be difficult to really replicate from a female to male perspective. Because men are told over and over that they are valuable for lots of reasons (See every movie ever made,n which the man actually does stuff the woman is his “Prize” for winning, or his “Stick” to keep him motivated, or his thing to get revenge over. What the man does is important.)

    Women are the ones repeatedly objectified in media and on the street and it is that repitition that makes the additional reminders SO INCREDIBLY UNWELCOME.

    There is also the whole idea that some guy wanting to hit on you is something you are obliged to spend your time on. It would almost be as if women were walking up to men and asking them to perform random tasks repeatedly “Can you open my pickle jar with your big strong hands you great pickle jar opener you.”

    The harassers are taking away their time, attention, and their belief that they have value beyond a certain set of characteristics.

    There is also danger, so a more accurate analogy would be a heavily armed woman approaching you while you are going about your business and expecting you to open her pickle jar, or change her oil or something. Many women are physically less powerful than men, and in some ways the harassment is a reminder of that. Even if most men never actually hurt a woman they harass, women FEEL threatened by it because they know the man probably could hurt them. (And maybe that is part of the appeal.)

    And the repetitiveness of it. I’m sure every guy who tells you to smile or calls you beautiful thinks he’s making your day. But after three guys have told you how nice your ass is and two more have tried to grab your ass the message is already pretty clear, we get it, just stop.

  45. Shadow And Act wrote:

    @ Thea –

    Thanks! I understand.

    A thought I just had – only men could make other men feel what women feel when harassed by men.

    Being that it’s about power and control, most men probably won’t be flattered if they were constantly harassed by other men – especially if the attention is sexual (much like it is when women are on the receiving end), and the men doing to the dishing are physically intimidating, rendering the men they are harassing somewhat powerless.

    Maybe that sounds silly, I don’t know…

    But, humor me for a few… hypothetically, if say a group of men who liked men were hanging on a corner – not necessarily in the effeminate stereotype mold – and a straight man walked by, and was harassed in the much the same way straight men harass women, and he faced that kind of harassment regularly, I think he could be made to understand how inappropriate his actions towards women are based on his experiences. But it would likely have to happen enough times for it to have an effect.

    Like I said, hypothetically. And maybe it all sounds silly, but humor me, if you can :)

    Something like this will likely never happen in real life, but we’re talking fiction here.

  46. Moni wrote:

    I’m conflicted by this. Case in point. Today I was on campus sitting and eating some soup when this white man (kind of alternative looking) walks past and while staring at me makes a “hmm…” noise. I smiled, cause I tend to smile, but I was a little bothered by it. An hour later, while walking to my car, a black man standing at the bus stop said hi, and when I responded, asked where my man was. I just waved him away and kept walking, but I was worried that he would pursue. He didn’t. As I made my way to my car, I thought about whether my right to not be bothered trumped his right to say hi and flirt. I don’t know if my feelings on that particular day should be any of his concern. In the post, the author mentioned that she did not feel like being bothered. A man flirting and a man harassing you might have a thin line between them, but that line is there, in my opinion. For me, I don’t think I want to go around expecting men to not speak to me, just like I can’t expect the other people that speak to me on a daily basis, just cause I don’t want to be bothered.

  47. cocolamala wrote:

    I also have to agree with the author that it makes me wary of groups of black men who I think might harass me (due to their age, or the area, or the time of day).

    It makes me unwilling to give eye contact, or say “Hello” to passersby on the street, or even aknowledge folk I’m passing by. On the other side of things, my boyfriend’s mission is to speak to everyone he passes, as a sign of politeness.

    I feel impolite, but, like Tracy, almost every public interaction with a man I don’t already know turns into a slow glide towards “can I get your number? why not? well can we still be friends…on the phone? why are you so mad?”

  48. crystal wrote:

    unwanted male attention seems to be a regular ol’ part of daily life. i freekin hate it but whatta do? now that i think about it it probably is mostly black men making comments toward me. but generally i think it’s just part of living in this patriarchial misogynist whatever america. an ex boyfriend once asked me to tell him anytime another man approached me. i laughed sadly because he could not understand that this happens practically every single day as i walk around my city. he had no concept of my reality as a woman.

  49. A.D. Nix wrote:

    Fantastic piece. Since my boyfriend bought me an (illegal in NY but not CA!) stun gun, which I don’t carry for fear of stunning myself (again), it’s been hard to resist responding to the arm grab or close whisper with a shock that’s harder to ignore than me yelling “GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.” Obviously shocking ever cat-caller and close-talker is neither a safe nor viable solution.

    @ Thea Lim
    Took the words right out of my mouth. You can’t quite replicate the psychological and physical terror of The Cat Call Gauntlet without the context of the destabilizing and dehumanizing rape culture in which women in the U.S. exist. Honestly, I find the attempt to mimic that with women as the aggressors (and there have been many) as borderline offensive. I know it comes from a place of wanting to help but, it’s about so much more than inappropriate language.

  50. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Shadow and Act

    That’s crossed my mind, but I think the problem with having men harass men to let straight men know how harassment feels, is that it’s based on homophobia.

    I think to really unveil how street harassment is about power, you have to show that one group having gender power over another is wrong.

    Whereas men’s discomfort around being harassed by men is derived solely from the gender hierarchy, from fears of being emasculated…So it actually reinforces the gender hierarchy – because men who like men are freaks ie are not real men ie it’s still about preserving and promoting manliness.

    Though Shinobi’s suggestion about the pickle jars made me laugh…

    Hm, it’s a bit of a conundrum though. I wonder how you could make a short film decrying street harassment.

    Have you seen this poster: https://www.reachandteach.com/store/index.php?l=product_images&p=50

    It might provide some inspiration.

    I also like this video a lot – it’s not about racism or sexism but about ableism. It does a really interesting job of flipping the abled/disabled binary effectively:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3AeIFup1qY&feature=player_embedded

  51. n wrote:

    I am very glad I do NOT live in NY where it seems that this behavior is very prevalent. Sounds hellish.

    I don’t want to blow off other people’s concerns, at all. I am accustomed to being around people, make and female, who will casually comment on your appearance. That’s just not outside of the boundaries for ME, not to say it isn’t for others. My boundaries tend to be about the specifics- its ok to say,”You look lovely today” but not “Ooh, I love me some wavy haired women.” or”Man, look at that booty”.

    I do not, though, find all comments on my appearance by males to be degrading or demeaning. And I don’t want to think so,just as I try to not automatically get into a race-based snit when someone compliments my hair.

    Sometimes people just think someone is attractive and I for one, when a compliment is sincere, can take it in the spirit it is meant in. I have male coworkers who will comment that I look particularly nice one day, its meant not to relegate me to the realm of good for nothing but lusting after woman, but to please me. And it does.

    I have, as I said, been on my own for a LONG time and was already accustomed to people, male and female, all races, commenting on my skin and hair. SO by the time I was out dealing with men I had already developed a very unapproachable exterior.

    I used to ride the bus and trains and people would sit in every seat but the one next to me, till that was the only one left. A lot of random people think I’m either a cop or a soldier and jackasses leave me alone, but old people and kids are always approaching me. Just a few weeks ago we were discussing an asshole at work and my boss said”I cant imagine anyone being a an ass to you. I’d be afraid to.” And he signs my checks.

    This is sort of my way of saying that 1. I think some compliments are legit and within MY boundaries and that culture makes a difference. But 2. I have had good “luck” just because I’m rather intimidating and probably have been spared the worst of it, so my experiences are more with the “gentlemanly” unsolicited comments than the downright funky and if that has caused me to seem like I’m dismissing the entire issue, I apologize.

  52. Fiqah wrote:

    SIGH. This one is prickly. I’m currently working on a post about street harassment from a police officer. The sense of entitlement to my time/body/kindness is multiplied exponentially by the presence of a gun and a badge. The question I’m working around in my take on it all is this: does a woman have the right to be left the hell alone?

  53. DreaD wrote:

    Ndidi, THANK YOU for writing this. It is a great piece. It’s a shame that this particular MTA worker will (likely) never read it. But know that you are saying a lot of what so many Black women experience.

    I second Thea Lim. There is no equivalent situation that you can put/film (Black) men in to show them how it feels to experience street harassment. Sadly, like whites who haven’t unlearned racism, they have to learn and choose to care about sexism. The “s” word is seldom taken seriously in our communities, as race is often thought to be the most pertinent issue for Black people.

    Black men are represented in the white racist imagination as hypersexual beings, ready to rape and f— at any given moment. I think that this is part of what makes it so hard for some Black folks to talk about Black male sexism: it seems to affirm this stereotype. Also, I think it’s always hard for oppressed people to acknowledge ways in which we might perpetuate/benefit from others’ oppression (e.g. white feminists, Black middle class-ers, straight POCs, etc.). I think it’s really important to figure out ways for Black men and women to have conversations about the intersections of oppressions in our community, while still being able to be unified against anti-Black racism.

    @malted_tea: It IS sad when we are distrustful of our own men. What is SADDER is that more Black men choose not to challenge their male privilege (albeit mitigated by racism) or take issues affecting Black women as seriously as those affecting Black men. When will Black women give ourselves permission to be angry about sexism?!

  54. Courtney wrote:

    A few summers ago, I spent time in Newark, New Jersey– with a Gauntlet of such perverted pain and misery that it single-handedly lowers the city to hell-hole status. Everyday, I thought of ways I could avoid the barbs of godless preteen boys; I even considered picking up a burqa, like Margari did (that would have been interesting).

    Then I realized all I had to do was drive a few minutes out, and I could be in pristine, segregated suburbia! There, I saw the tables were suddenly turned, and *I* was the one being ~eyed suspiciously!

    But, on the real, I would not go walking past a group of loitering white men, thinking they are incapable of interracial harassment. All sorts of crazy stuff comes out of their mouths on my campus. Racist things (”Hey, it’s Macy Gray!!11″), in addition to the usual dumb, sexist stuff… Ugh. I think these weirdos store up their social currency throughout the week and then cash in on the weekend.

  55. refresh_daemon wrote:

    A question I’d like to pose, as a supportive man, is how can I help? I’ve been direct witness to such incidents of catcalling while accompanying female friends and relatives. On one hand, I immediately had a desire to confront the catcallers, but then I also don’t want to incite a physical confrontation (and I’m pretty sure my hotheadedness might lead to that).

    I’d be certain to speak with any friends or relatives who would behave in such a way, but the type of acquaintances I make aren’t the type to catcall to begin with. So, I feel at a loss on what I can do to help, besides just not engaging in the behavior to begin with.

  56. chana wrote:

    i usually just pretend i don’t speak the language. i pretend to talk on the phone, and even when i’m doing that, guys will stay yell out “stop pretending to be on the phone”. on the train, i pretend to sleep- the funny [not really] thing is that they stare at you and try to make eye contact the second you open your eyes. i also get mad that i usually have to smile back or respond nicely, even when they’re a bit obnoxious, b/c i’ve had problems before with men following me b/c i wasn’t cordial in my response. my fiance hates it when men do this- b/c he has a sister, a mother, me, and other women in his family. he once told me about a time he was on the train when he saw 2 men trying to talk to a woman that was clearly not interested. she was polite, then very visibly annoyed and they still didn’t get the point. so my fiancee got up, sat near her and just started talking to her like they were old friends. she caught on to what he was doing and just kept talking back. he said the men got annoyed and got off a couple of stops after. when they left, she smiled and said thank you and just went back to his seat. i’ve started doing that to women when i see them getting harassed too. it’s just unfair that we have to resort to things like that so we can be left alone. it’s scary b/c sometimes they’re relentless and just follow you. i’ve had to walk into stores just to get away from some men.

  57. xey wrote:

    great piece. here in memphis, guys say the darndest things when they “holla.” i’ve had a guy say “i’ll marry you, with yo’ pretty ass” when i say i’m not married and “you ain’t gotta lie!!!” when they ask where my “man” is & i say he’s at home. luckily, never been touched in any sort of way. but i do feel fear when i pass a group of men, particularly black men and other men of color. i live in one of the most dangerous cities in the country, so i have a lot of reasons to be. other than when i’m at work or doing volunteer activities, i almost never smile or look remotely friendly when i’m out in public because i don’t want to be approached or talked to by guys. while at times, the attention IS flattering (honestly), i can be frightening at times. i will say that the generalisation that southern guys are gentlemen is true in many cases, though, and some guys will at least do us the favor of not acting like a jackass when they try to holla. that’s helpful… i guess?

  58. Ami D. wrote:

    This made me cry. Much in the same way, I would cry to my own mother when I first started walking to and from work everyday. That “gauntlet” is unlike anything I can explain to anyone who’s never experienced it. For centuries black women have been all to accessible to men of all ethnicities in this country. Like the author, my daily commute reminds me that we still are. It’s frustrating, fear-inducing, and at times just plain embarassing. That “gauntlet” is a demonstration of the worse kind of double standard black women experience (no white man would stand for anyone – especially a black man to speak to white woman in that way) and in my case it has always been at the hands of men of my own race.

  59. Slush wrote:

    @ Moni – I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think the right to flirt versus to be left alone have to be balanced the way you are suggesting.

    The point of the catcalling – and the part that makes it galling and infuriating and intimidating – is that it’s gender-based (and maybe race-based too) and that it’s sexual. I have no problem with anyone speaking to me on the street to say hello, good morning, did the bus already come, or isn’t it nice and sunny today?

    There are inumerable ways to address and engage someone without victimizing and belittling them, which is what catcalling is about. It’s not actually about flirting at all, because of the power imbalance – because even idiots who think it is ‘complimentary’ are still actually doing it out of an expression of their power and possession of women.

    So I’d argue that no, there is no such ‘right to flirt’ with someone, any more than there’s a right to humiliate and intimidate another person. He may not know which effect the person will feel, but in fact he should know – that’s the point of Ndidi’s article. So yes, how you feel that day does matter more. And somehow I think that would be subconsciously obvious to him if you were another man that he was considering addressing, instead of a woman.

  60. Mieko wrote:

    @ Shadow and Act: Perhaps if the harassment was happening between an adult or group of adult females and an adult male who then shrinks down to a child, it would be a bit easier to understand.
    It might help capture that feeling of being reduced, having your power stripped away, feeling vulnerable and lost about what to do.

  61. SeattleSlim wrote:

    @A.D. Nix,

    I don’t think women as the aggressors is offensive at all. May I ask why?

    This is not directed at you, but in general, I guess I am venting. I get tired of hearing that women feel and are helpless.

    In the last week, I’ve been privy to convos about women being “whores” for sleeping around, how women who partake in group “relations” being the only woman in the “party” means there’s something wrong the woman and she’s not “normal” , etc.

    We are not all soft and cuddly and kind or nurturing. We are not all against objectification because the objectification can be a way to lure some guy into thinking they are doing the chasing, when in reality they are being chased ie ensnare a male who thinks he’s got us where he wants us, when in reality, it’s a clever plot to lure him in the first place.

    Again, I am not saying anyone who is against cat calling is wrong. Because it is dehumanizing (depending on the person) and it is horrifying to read about these women having to cross streets and take time out of their day so as not to be bothered. At the same time, not every woman sees it this way, and we as women need to remember that.

    I’m 27 so I don’t know if this is an age thing, a regional thing or a cultural thing, but I grew up around chicks who thought about boys as “conquests.” Maybe it was that whole G.I. Jane/Spice Girls factor. I dunno…

    I have been the “aggressor” before. I’ve cat called gents before, called them over to come talk to me, etc. I’m not the only one, and I’ve been friends with a number of girls who have done the same thing. How is that offensive? It’s control. You don’t hunt me, I hunt you *lol*

  62. Shadow And Act wrote:

    @ Thea – Thanks for the links. The disability rights clip was especially poignant. I’ll think about it all some more…

  63. DivergentDana wrote:

    I dunno about the genteel south. I’ve had my ass groped in Dallas when walking downtown WITH MY MOTHER. I do find myself avoiding big groups of young black males in the street for this reason — and only this reason, really.

  64. DivergentDana wrote:

    “Yes our experiences shape our perceptions, but this man had no way of knowing all of your experiences. It sounds like he was flirting with you, respectfully. And you were not receptive, which is perfectly fine. But I don’t think that this makes him a bad person or that it is fair that you put him in the same category as men who touch you inappropriately on the street.”

    But he didn’t pay attention to her first audible indication of disinterest and intentionally used his job as a wedge between her and her expressed desire — for him to actually do the job he’s getting paid for. That’s some (expletive). If someone doesn’t want to be mistaken for a sleazeball, they shouldn’t play around with sleazeball tactics.

  65. ashlynn wrote:

    Just a little excerpt from a piece I’m wrapping up:

    “Do you cross the street multiple times in a day, particularly on the same blocks? Check.

    Are your eyes constantly fixated on that lovely blackened gum on the ground? Check.

    Are you the best speed walker this side of town? Check.

    Do you have a passionate love for music- or at least headphones? Check

    Have you perfected the art of the side-eye, the mean mug, the stank face, and the ill grill? Check!

    Congratulations! You are a victim of street harassment! “

  66. Ron wrote:

    All I can say as a black man is that we must do better. I go out of my way not leer or stare at women. I especially flirt with women on the street. However, if I was being unproductive hanging out on the street maybe I would do the same thing. I hope that I would catch myself.

    On the other hand, if I am walking down the street coming from my office or going to court suited and booted, I receive unwanted attention from black women as well. Do you know what it is like to be a black male professional and be outnumbered by black female professionals 8 to 1.

    I know I could never understand what a black female goes through being objectified but I would hope responsible men would intervene on behalf of the female being objectified.

  67. Emily wrote:

    GREAT POST!

    I assure you it’s not just black women who face this, either. I’m white, and get something like this about 50% of the time I go walking through my neighborhood. It’s always Black or Hispanic men. “Hey, mami. Yo sexy. I see you, snowflake.” How is that a remotely appropriate way to talk to a woman, ANY woman, who you don’t know?

    I was taking a morning walk in Central Park the other day when an older guy leered at me and said something about me “playing hooky” from school. (I’m 27.)

    I don’t understand how people get brought up thinking this is okay. Let alone an MTA employee on the job. Yeesh.

    So yeah, I dislike being unfriendly and certainly don’t want to have to think of myself a racist–but dealing with this just teaches me to stay away from Black men on the sidewalk.

  68. Ulusses not yet home wrote:

    @Shadow And Act – the scenario you are looking for is that of a typical catcalling man, strong, powerful, and confident in the conventional world – transplanted into prison, where many people will be bigger, stronger, opaque and disengenuous in their motives. The need is to replicate a circumstance where his strength (however much, and however dominant in everyday life) is simply insufficient in this context. The concept contains analogues to that permanent physical disadvantage that women find themselves having to consider as a backdrop to every street encounter, as well as the unvoiced potential sexual predation. You can flesh out the the rest….

  69. Joy wrote:

    Yup it happens in the south too, but it’s more the annoying-persistent stuff – no actual groping [the fact that groping is going on in places is . . . wow don't know what to say about that]. So, from randoms on the sidewalk to homeless men in the library I get the “You sure look nice in that ____,” “you’re a good looking black woman,” “can I call you sometime?,” “can I take you out to eat?” Blah, blah, blah. I just keep smiling and walking, which seems to be way easier than ignoring them and I generally like to avoid being rude – just easier, for me at least, to smile and stay quiet.

    However, when it happens at the crosswalk or the gas pump it’s more annoying [I feel a little embarrassed imagining the other people waiting at the crosswalk are staring], because I can’t get away. So, I just grin and nod and other than smiling or saying thank you stay mum. Very seldom have I received an angry or violent response from using these tactics. Maybe, like xey said, it’s because I’m in the south (?).

    Men who are just genuinely courteous and saying hello (usually older black men) I always respond in kind.

    And [1 time out of 50] when the guys are attractive and I’m in a good mood I enjoy flirting back. [Or, when it's the guy at Panera, I just smile and get free food or drinks . . . yummy :) ]

    I don’t know why it doesn’t bother me as much as some other women have shared; maybe because there is no violent/angry reaction to my rebuff, so it just seems like an inconvenience instead of a humiliating experience.

  70. Steph wrote:

    I was in a similar situation, when I was 14. I had my first internship and was excited to be working, but I took the wrong train by accident on my first day, and got off on one of the stops to ask the conductor if was making the stop that I needed to get to. His response was “I’d go anywhere for you baby”. First I threw up a bit in my mouth (this man was pretty old, and again, I was 14, maybe the business attire made him think otherwise?), was scared, because I was still not completely comfortable taking the train by myself, and just gave him a look because really, I did not have to deal with it, and could not because I was actually terrified of getting lost.I think he understood because he apologized and gave me the answer I was looking for, but that does not excuse his comment in the first place. I just hate feeling like I need to go places with someone else just to feel safe.

  71. jen wrote:

    Thank you Ndidi,
    wonderful piece.
    What I would like to add to the comments is that this is not solely urban or class or race or socioec phenomena- this happens to women physically out on the street, in public space. Space is gendered and you can feel men exert their control of it when you transgress and walk without the company of a male, even in an upper class suburb neighborhood. I hate to pull from 2nd wave feminists as I identify as intersectionalist, but I think the public/private spheres add something that stop the guessing game of who what and where this happens to and what they should wear or how they should act or ‘just smile’ Next time (the original point is that you shouldn’t HAVE to always appease- why is it women’s obligations and responsibilities to appease the ontoward approaches of men?? Also how do you detour a ‘conversation’ that starts with “what’s your name.” It’s not a question its a demand at your marital status, your availability)
    As a woman you can never escape objectification based on your gender and assumed heterosexuality, and that’s so frusterating.
    It’s incredibly sad to see pysically dominating men lurk outside a diner, sprawled all over the sidewalk, leering at women walk in and out as if the women exsist soley to be graded/evaluated by them, like they have a perfectly natural, normal, inherent, right to do so. To hear a woman have to combat demands of pleasant appearance and gestures with “This is my tired face, I’m tired. I just want to eat” is also infuriating.
    I wish I could offer a patented shutdown phrase, like “IM FUCKING GAY.” but when I just want to continue on my way the last thing I want to do is engage- even in a way we think of as empowering, it still takes precious more energy and seconds to assert a witty retort, with a follow up wittier retort, then to offer a slight smile acknowledging their call while continuing forward…On a side note, I grew my armpit hair out not only to play with ideas of feminity and sexuality but also in a large part to curtail hollering.. which is preety darn sad!!

  72. trooper6 wrote:

    I honor what Ndidi writes.

    I want to add my perspective as a black man. Not to minimize her perspective, but to add my own.

    The gauntlet also hurts me. It doesn’t hurt me as much as it hurts the women who are subjected to harassment and terrorism, but it does hurt me.

    Here is how:

    I never look women I don’t personally know in the eye. I never smile or talk to women I don’t know. If I am lost or need directions (which actually happens a lot as I’ve just moved to a new city), I either wait until I can find a man to ask, or shuffle and am as deferential and apologetic as I can be if I must interact with a woman on the street.

    I’ve not dated in a couple years, and after spending so much time on the feminist message boards that have spent time on, I don’t feel comfortable flirting with women at all. I’m a successful professional guy with lots of female freinds…but I may end up not dating again, seriously. Because it is too painful to be seen as I am seen by women because of those guys in the gauntlet.

    I don’t think women shouldn’t be mistrustful. I mean looking at rape statistics, harassment statistics, why shouldn’t any woman be nervous whenever they see me? Better safe than sorry is what my mom always said.

    It just makes me sad. And it frustrates me that I have to behave that way, because it doesn’t feel right. But what else can you do? The sad part is that I’m a pretty friendly person, so I nod and greet men on the street and always have to stop myself from interacting with women.

    Because of sexual harassers, I don’t get to have human interactions with women, because I am always a sexual suspect.

    I hate the white supremacist heteropatriarchy.

  73. Tonya wrote:

    Thank you, Ndidi! This is amazing. I’m Canadian, from Toronto and as a black woman I COMPLETELY understand.

    I’ve experienced this in Toronto, in the US, and in the Dominican Republic. Once, in the DR, I had to practically run into oncoming traffic to get away from prying construction workers hands trying to touch me while asking me why I wasn’t talking to them.

    What bothers me most is the sense of entitlement that these men have and when you don’t give them their desired reaction, you’re “uppity”, a bitch, stuck-up, or all of a sudden unattractive and they wouldn’t talk to you anyway.

    I haven’t accepted it, but I’ve started to tune it out and try to go about my business.

  74. AGH wrote:

    Ndidi,
    Of course it’s easy for me to ask: did you take down his badge number? He was completely unprofessional, and his supervisor should be made aware of this, color notwithstanding.

    Having said that, I empathize, and recall a few weeks ago in my Philly neighborhood, when a (black) man said “That’s nice!” a few times as I was strolling my child down the street. He was on his cell phone, so I didn’t realize he was talking about my ass. Literally, my behind! In order to make sure I knew he was talking about me, he said “What, you can’t say thank you?” So, as I kept walking, I raised my hand in acknoledgment. I’ve learned these types of men hate when you acknowledge them on your way to something more important to do…

  75. Alison wrote:

    Shadow And Act:-

    I often would get the same ‘catcalling’ when I lived in London and the only way I could think of to explain it to my male (hetero) friends was to say, ‘What if it was a group of aggressive gay men shouting and being suggestive to you? How would that make you feel walking past that everyday?”

    Then they get a better idea of how unwelcome it is. Comparing it to women threatening men just doesn’t seem to work. I don’t think people appreciate how it builds up in your head, how you don’t want to walk with a wiggle, how you feel every move scrutinised, its really horrible and you can spot packs of men a mile away. I live in Australia now and I can honestly say it hardly happens here (compared to the UK). The ‘lecherous builder’ seems to be almost a celebrated character in the UK. Part of the job too.
    Read the Sun newspaper with page three tits and harrass all the local ‘talent’. Yeah, what a great culture the english have.

    One reason I left!

  76. Medusa wrote:

    @ CEdwards-

    I don’t know if it’s a regional thing… I’ve experienced on the East Coast and Midwest of the US…by Americans, Jamaicans, in Asia by Nigerians and in Ghana by…Ghanaians. I don’t really understand what that means, but it’s not unique to one part of the US, if that’s what you’re asking.

  77. rachel wrote:

    This might be slightly off topic but I do find it worrying that so many women have to plug their ears, eliminating any outside sound just to avoid this sort of behavior from men.

    It is important to be able to hear what is going on in your surroundings when you are out in the open and especially if you are alone. Anyone could walk up behind you and attack or rob you while you are completely oblivious to their presence.

    There have been many cases of women who were mugged, raped or otherwise assaulted because they were listening to headphones and didn’t realize someone was near until it was too late.

    While dealing with this sort of unwanted behavior is frustrating, I’d rather be safe and aware of what is going on around me.

    I would occasionally wear headphones when walking but then had an upsetting incident where a man I had noticed in passing many blocks earlier, began to follow me down some empty streets. I didn’t realize how close he had gotten or how long he had been walking behind me until he was practically within reach. I took the headphones off and speed up my walk, away from my home and destination.

    Luckily, there was a busier street not too far away so I quickly cut through to that and he walked away. I am sure he was following me because I was in an (urban) residential area with no businesses and there was really no reason for him to have been taking my rather circuitous path home unless he lived on my street. I think he thought I’d be an easy target because I had headphones on and was alone.

  78. g531 wrote:

    Thank you for this.

  79. Slush wrote:

    Anecdotally, I spent 3 months in South Africa – mostly Johannesburg, and this did not happen to me the entire time I was there.

    It was the most sexual-harassment-free three months of my adult life.

    I think part of that probably relates to the fact that Johannesburg is notoriously dangerous and thus people drive a lot more, and I certainly didn’t walk alone at night ever.

    But I still walked across crowded downtown nearly every day, and took the bus, and walked with female friends, etc.

    Many many men said hello to me on the street. And I would smile and say hello back. They rarely said more than that.

    It was wonderful.

  80. corrie wrote:

    Any man, offering commentary, regardless of race, nationality or creed, should be handled as an unwelcomed interruption.

    When any woman shows appreciation for the commentary (including hoots, whistles etc) she sets us all up for more.

    Women should ignore ignore ignore and throw a disdainful look too. All men need to learn that there’s a time and a place; not just because they’re seeing something nice walk by.

    Thank you Ndidi for a thoughtful well written perspective on this problem!

  81. Thea Lim wrote:

    All right y’all.

    ** Mod Note **

    Latoya is out of the country and Arturo is with limited internet access this week so I am doing the main moderating. And right now I’m going to throw down some new rules for this thread. I’ve been deleting comments right left and centre…but now it occurs to me I can just set up some new, special guidelines just for this topic, and nip certain comments in the bud before they make it to the queue.

    All comments that have to do with the following will be deleted:

    1) Comments that suggest that the writer or commenters should “lighten up” and just appreciate a compliment…This is a post and thread about street harassment. Don’t refer to harassment as a compliment.

    2) Comments that say “Well, this never happened to me” or “When this happens to me I like it” so therefore the writer and other commenters are either overstating the issue or need to be less sensitive…or need to dress less provacatively. Again, this is a post about harassment. There is no way that harassment can ever be the fault of the person under attack.

    3) Comments that – even those worded in the sweetest way – ask where men are supposed to meet women, if they can’t talk to them in the street. That is a total derail of this thread, and a highly inappropriate one at that.

    But in response to #3: the internet is filthy with young attractive professional women trying to find mates on dating sites.

    Hokay, that’s all.

  82. n wrote:

    I wrote a 3rd comment I didn’t bother to post. Mostly it was an apology. And a question asking if it was possible that some of the reasons I have been spared this BS is because many black men don’t recognize me as black and this is (mis)treatment they reserve for black women.

    If so that sucks and it also reminds me to be aware that all of our experiences aren’t the same and to REALLY think when trying to relate or just shut up.

    I’ve dealt with harassment, significant harasssment and bullying that means even at the age of damn near 40, there are certain people I refuse to deal with if they are in large groups. I physically shrink into myself and feel very vulnerable and just cant deal with it. And I know very few people who are aware of and understand.

    So my apologies , again, if I mischaracterized the tone of the street attention and was confusing apples and oranges. Its bad enough to feel harrasssed and afraid, but it is way worse when its by your own people and you can’t speak out on it without someone saying you are disloyal or selfhating or bringing down your own people.

    Who do you trust, who can you turn to? Your dads, boyfriends, husbands, brothers? Will they take your side when you criticize THEM (assuming they too are black men). Its rough. We should all have a safe place to turn to for comfort or just someone to listen. I hope I didnt contribute to making it less safe for anyone.

  83. Sara wrote:

    Really great post! I also live in NYC and I hate the level of catcalling and harassment that goes on around here.

    And I also haven’t really been able to come up with a way to deal with it. I’m a 23 year old white girl and I’ve lived in Queens pretty much my whole life. Personally, I’ve experienced this kind of treatment from men of almost every race. (Although probably the most from Hispanic men, but that may just be because of the areas that I tend to frequent. I don’t know.) I definitely use the headphones technique but whenever I notice a man saying something to me, I pretty much just respond with an eye-roll that he may or may not see and a quickening of my step.

    I often wish that I was bold enough to respond with the finger or a fuck you or something similar, but I’m honestly afraid. And yes, in a lot of ways it is so much worse to recieve that kind if treatment from a man who is in a position where you have to talk to him – like an MTA worker, or a cop, or even just a salesperson. The other day I was buying cannolis from a guy in Little Italy and as he was packaging the cannoils he said to me in what he thought was a flattering or flirtatous manner, “Stop touching you hair, it’s distracting me.” And instead of responding with “stop looking at me and do your job, then!” I just kind of smiled awkwardly, paid, and got out of there as quickly as possible.

    And in response to the people who suggested responding with “I’m a lesbian” or something similar – I can tell you from experience that that doesn’t work. I actually am a lesbian and in every single situation that I can remember where a guy has come on to me and engaged me in conversation long enough for me to tell him anything about myself the response has always been “ooh thats so hot!” or “yeah thats just because you haven’t met me yet” or “oh don’t worry, your girlfriend can join in!”

    Another really great point that you made is the way that this kind of treatment conditions women to be wary and suspicious of all men. Its all just perpetuating a stupid cycle.

    I wish that I knew how to deal with this, but obviously more than that – I wish it wasn’t a problem. Just like everyone else, I want to be able to go about my day and get from point A to point B.

  84. Margari Aziza wrote:

    Courtney,
    Just a clarification I don’t wear and have never worn a burqa, not here in the United States nor abroad. A burqa is this:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Burqa_Afghanistan_01.jpg/400px-Burqa_Afghanistan_01.jpg

    Or in the gulf, the burga is a mask that looks like this:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dz32×3e0KsQ/SeEUWloSiwI/AAAAAAAACoU/BkF88fDcwMI/s1600-h/burga10.jpg

    I cover my hair and wear lose clothes that cover my arms and legs. We call that hijab or khimar (head veil). I’ve worn hijab many ways, from head wrap to tied in a knot in the back to loosely draped so that my ears and neck are covered. In philly you will see women wearing lose black overgarments (abayas) with face veils (niqab). I’ve never heard the face veil called a burqa in the states or abroad. The only people who conflate Muslim dress are politicians like Sarkozy and the press which is largely ill informed about Muslim women’s realities.

  85. CKR wrote:

    Thank you for this article. I completely get where you’re coming from. As a black young woman, who I suppose people consider me attractive, I get hit on A LOT. And it has always bothered me. Sometimes I don’t mind if I’m on the train and the person wants to make light conversation and they may eventually try to ask me out. It’s usually fine once I tell them I have a boyfriend (I’ve used this even when it isn’t the case) and they back off or keep going with the light conversation.
    But it is the OTHER times that really make me angry. It’s the times when the guy just doesn’t get the hint that I’m not interested. Or he thinks if he keeps telling me we can “just be friends” that I’ll give him my number anyway. I have been hit on by a variety of men but, I suppose, as a black woman the OTHER times I experience usually happen with black men. And I have an opinion as to why this is.
    I think it is a territorial thing, I also believe it goes along with sexism. I’m sure women of different races experience it with men of their same race who take on a possessive nature when talking to women who are the same race as them.
    I find it disrespectful to say the least. It’s as though they think b/c we happen to share the same skin color or race that they have some kind of “access” to me and that I should be receptive to their advancements. A male who is sexist who doesn’t understand that just b/c we have the same color I am not of his property or part of “their women” and therefore they shouldn’t feel they have some right to try to come onto me or insists that I talk them.
    And this sense of them thinking I am of their territory has not only happened to me when they are trying to flirt with me. It has also happened in times when they simply feel they have the right to comment on me period.
    Two examples stand out in my mind. The first happened when my boyfriend and I (he happens to be white) were walking to the store. A car of black men were in it and the driver yelled out of the window as they drove by “That ain’t cute.” I was royally pissed. Not just at the comment but the FACT that this man thought he had the RIGHT to yell this at me. As though it was of his concern.
    The second time was when I was by myself. I was taking a stroll some blocks from my job. Walking towards me was a black man. He had to be about 40 or whatever. Just to preface this, people have often thought that I am both black and something else. I guess they think this b/c I have straight hair and light skin (little do they know black people come in all shapes, colors, sizes, and hair textures). So the guy passes me by and he says, “Look at that hair and skin. Your mother must of f*cked a white man. You probably f*ck white men too.” It happened so quick that I didn’t make sense of it until a minute after I passed him. Why did he think he could make that comment? Why did he think it was okay? I could only attribute it to the notion of property when it comes to women and some sense of ownership some men have for women of their same color. Thing is, last time I checked I had a father, brother, and male cousins, and NONE of them were the men I had these OTHER encounters with.
    I also hate having to play polite out of fear that if I don’t they may turn hostile to me or call me names or something. Why do I have to be cordial when they are clearly over stepping their boundaries?

  86. lemurfever wrote:

    Ndidi, this was a wonderful and heartfelt appeal and I can’t imagine that there’s a woman alive who hasn’t dealt with this in some way or another. It certainly doesn’t limit itself to one ethnic/racial group, either; I am white and have experienced this degrading situation interacting with men of varying ages, colors, social stations, etc. In Los Angeles it was young Mexican men, in Iowa it was old white farmers. Street corners, buses, on college campuses, at my waitressing jobs (with customers *and* coworkers) – there is not a single “safe” place where you can count on not feeling objectified and harrassed based on your womanhood. I admire you for taking the time to write a thoughtful, compelling letter to try to express this frustration without venom but with a desire to inform and maybe even help someone else. Thank you!

  87. Eva wrote:

    To men:

    We black women and WOC are not mean, nasty or cold. All we are trying to do when we walk down the street is get from point A to point B. There are places where it’s fine to meet women, dating sites on the Internet, clubs, social occasions, parties. Sometimes people meet each other at work, or even at the supermarket.

    However, catcalls and bullying NEVER works, all it does it make us more afraid, you know why? Men have more upper body strength than women. So if a 6′2″ man stands in front of me and wants to talk, there isn’t much I can do, and I am going to be afraid. So when I do go to an appropriate place where people meet, I might be more cautious. Street harassment is just that, harassment and it’s not cute. Sure some women might like it, but not EVERY woman does and if a woman doesn’t talk to you, just move the hell on, read a book and learn how to talk to women like we’re human beings.

    In the 1990’s I met a man while I was on jury duty, he was 6′5″ about 300 pounds, black, gay and proud of it. We used to have lunch together every day. Before we were on the jury, one of the lawyer put our names in a barrel and started spinning. He made a comment that he was like Vanna White, well my friend say, “Baby, you’re cuter than Vanna White.” Immediately, this lawyer turned beet red and I thought he was going to pass out.

    My point is that this gentleman made him uncomfortable, because he was hitting on him, but also because he was physically larger than him and could have probably taken him by force if he wanted.

    That’s what it feels like to be harassed on the street.

    I hope I made sense. I don’t mean to typecast gay men, but I was trying to explain how I saw a man become uncomfortable because a larger man was hitting on him.

  88. Beth wrote:

    On the “class” aspects:
    My experience with “rich” men is that they don’t tend to bother catcalling. I’ve gotten offers of trips to vegas in a book store, invitations to step into their BMW, “I’ve got champaign in my room,” as a hello in a hotel elevator. They don’t assume I’m going to talk with them; if they’re interested they assume I’m going to sleep with them. I’ve found it much less ubiquitous, easier to turn down (I’ve never had them do anything but forget about me when I’ve said, “no thanks”), but illustrative of the same assumptions about women and women’s desires as the cat calls on the street.

    It may also be about what cultural groups spend time standing outside, rather than being strictly about class.

    In general:
    For a while I used my “boyfriend” as an excuse, whether I was with anyone or not, but I’ve stopped doing that because I don’t like the monogamous-possessive feel, or the implication that if I didn’t have a boyfriend it would be okay. These days I take the iPod approach (yes, it’s possible I’d be attacked. It’s also possible I’ll be attacked while not wearing the earbuds. I haven’t seen any actual statistics linking earbud-wearing to attacks, and I’m not completely comfortable with the victim-blaming implications. I am also not physically assaulted on a daily basis, so I’ll take the chances.) If I’m feeling safe I do try to respond with, “That’s inappropriate.” Or, “You’re out of line.” Something that takes it out of the friendly-banter category, specifically using phrasing I wouldn’t use with a friend, without slowing down. I’ve gotten some key insults thrown after me, but usually they laugh me off, and occasionally they have the decency to look a little ashamed.

    When people hit on me during commerce my stock response is, “do you think you could do your job?”

    I worry that some of that is me taking my class and education-related privilege and flipping the power dynamic, rather than making them hear that they are out of line, but I don’t know how to make that happen yet. It might be something that supportive men could do in a less-aggressive way.

    Research a while ago showed people with iPods were less stressed. I wonder if this was part of it.

  89. slashy wrote:

    Street harassment is the perpetual nightmare of having to brace yourself every single time you leave your house for the onslaught, having to be ‘on guard’ for every single minute that you’re walking the streets, scanning for potential danger, holding onto your “don’t fuck with me” face even if you happen to be in a great mood, and fearing/avoiding any and all interactions with men on the streets, in shops, wherever, even if he’s that one guy in a hundred who just wants to ask for some directions and be on his way. I’m white, and visibly coded as queer, and have experienced it on every single one of the five continents I’ve visited (with some interesting local variations, which might be enjoyably interesting to think about about if it didn’t mean pondering the cultural differences in the ways that LARGE NUMBERS OF MEN ON ALL OF THE CONTINENTS I HAVE EVER VISITED FEEL ABLE AND WELCOME TO AGGRESSIVELY COMMENT ON MY PRESENCE IN PUBLIC SPACE).

    The only thing that I wanted to add to this already amazing post & thread is how sad I am that the experience of being so constantly worn down by the gauntlet makes me much less open to the lovely spontaneous connections with other human beings that ought to be a part of my life in a city. I LIKE randomly chatting to people about the weather, or the news, or the best local felafel shop, or the best way to get from point A to point B. I have enjoyed passing friendships with people I got chatting to about music on the bus, or people out walking their dog, or people who want to chat about crochet projects I’m working on. It makes me really, really sad that having to be on constant guard against harassment & intimidation means that I get to enjoy less of this sort of interaction in my life. Street harassment sucks the joy out of cities, and the possibilities of city communities, for the women who are subjected to it.

    This isn’t necessarily a useful strategy for people in bike-unfriendly cities, but I have found shifting from mostly-walking to mostly-riding an excellent anti-harassment strategy. For one thing I notice a hell of a lot less comments (possibly because I present as less vulnerable than on foot, and there is less time to see me coming). For another, I LOVE speeding past & leaving whoever is leering & catcalling eating my dust.

  90. Cairsten wrote:

    Moni: as strange and radical as this idea may be? No man has a “right” to approach a woman on the street that he doesn’t know to “flirt”. And yes, the quotation marks are there for a reason. It is male privilege that makes them think that a woman within their sight must exist to be approached, and that they have a right to approach. If you don’t believe me, ask yourself this: is it routine for gay men to approach other men on the street the same way women get approached? Why not? If a man has the right to flirt with a woman he doesn’t know, then certainly he must have an equal right to flirt with a man he doesn’t know, yes? And yet almost no men think they have a right to approach other men on the street that way, because other men are assumed to be busy, purposeful people who don’t exist only to be sexual objects, even by men who are attracted to men.

    What’s more, it is not flirting. If a man were actually interested in dating you, he would not cat-call you on the street. At best, a man who cat-calls you on the street is a pick-up artist (a not very bright one) playing a numbers game in the hope that some woman will eventually give him some tail. (He’ll not think twice about the ninety-nine others he’s slimed all over before getting to that yes, naturally.) More usually, he’s just a jerk getting off on reminding women that they can’t escape the male gaze. Flirting is what happens when you have a genuine interest in someone. This is just harassment.

  91. G-G wrote:

    Good message… catcalling is just as bad in DC here too, unfortunately. At least you stood up for yourself.

  92. Tanya D wrote:

    @malted_tea, you need to be ashamed of yourself. We are not dogs in heat, and I’ll thank you to keep that concept to yourself.

    This poor woman just was trying to go to work, the MTA worker was at work and should have known better.

    This has nothing to do with being afraid of “our own men” but it has a lot to do with the fact that some men, regardless of their race act as if women are supposed to be so damn grateful and jump up at any and all attention from them. Sometimes, you just want to go on your way, hang out with your friends or just go to work without some guy acting as if you’re supposed to drop everything and flirt back or appreciate the attention.

    I’m sorry you had such a bad interaction with this dude, and I hope your day got better.

  93. Charles J wrote:

    This post was amazing.

    As a Black man I will continue to watch how I approach and treat women, especially Black women.

    Thanks Ndidi Oriji for sharing your experience.

  94. Brooklynfemale wrote:

    @Cairsten: You have NAILED it. Absolutely nailed it. Bless.

    @Ndidi: Thank you for putting the issue out there. I know there’’s a fine line in people’s minds when race is brought into subjects like this, but if something’s going on that needs to be addressed, then it needs to be addressed.

  95. Mel wrote:

    @ refresh_daemon

    Thanks for wanting to be an ally to women. Just a couple of quick ideas to get the ball rolling: community education (e.g. talking at schools to young folks about why violence in any form isn’t ok), joining or starting a men’s group to discuss accountability to women, connecting with programs/guys in the local prison to discuss the subject…

    Change has to happen on the individual and the systemic level, community and globally. It’s so awesome that you’re concerned and connecting with your friends about it…think about the next step!

    Also, the more you immerse yourself in anti-sexism/racism/etc, the more you will start to notice little opportunities to step in when someone says or does something hurtful.

    (FTR, I’m a white woman.)

    Thank you Ndidi for your post, and thanks to all other commenters. This is super-important to put out there.

  96. Heather wrote:

    What I find really depressing is that, now the guys seem even more amoral than when I was young. When I was 15, and I told them I had a boyfriend, that deterred many of them. Now, 20 years later when I tell them that, they say “Well, he ain’t here now, is he?” or “What’s that got to do with me?”

  97. DivergentDana wrote:

    Heather – That might actually be a sign of the behavior migrating to the behavioral fringes among young men with the advent and popularity of social networking sites — but of course, we all know what goes on there, so it may have just changed zip code for the less brazen.

    Also, is there a “right way” or wrong way for a woman to address the situation? Because I’ve noticed that in the past, I’ve behaved in very “system-affirming” ways. I either lie and say I have a boyfriend, or I actually take the guy’s number down and proceed to never, ever call. However, I’m known for flipping off cars.

  98. Joy wrote:

    @Heather – LOL, I just watched this video called “If you’re not married, you’re single.” It was a completely different context from this conversation, but I imagine that’s the same sentence running through these random guys’ heads.

  99. Ishtar wrote:

    Thank you Ndidi

    You articulated so beautifully the rage and frustration I’ve often felt about this.

    I live in Cape Town, South Africa, and I’ve had to deal with this crap since I was about 11. One thing I especially hate is being whistled at. After too many years of trying my best to pretend I hadn’t heard, I decided to take action.

    The next time a man whistled at me I stopped, walked up to him and said loudly, “I’m a woman, a human being, not a dog. If you want to speak to me, speak English or Afrikaans because those are the languages I speak. I don’t speak dog.” To my astonishment, he apologised.

    I’ve done something similar on many occasions since then, with varying success. One time I walked past two men who made “kissy” noises and said something like “hello baby”. I walked up to them, furious, and said, “Is it so hard to greet me decently, with a little respect?” They looked very embarrassed and apologised.

    I’m 38 now and I’m still wary when I walk past groups of men. They don’t even have to say anything – there’s simply the creepy feeling of being inspected, as if I was a side of beef they were evaluating.

    Here’s what I’d like:

    I’d like to walk to work unharrassed.

    I’d like to sit in peace and read my book without having to go through mental gymnastics trying to figure out how to politely yet firmly rebuff some man who thinks it’s fine to interrupt me without apology, and then ask me questions about my marital status, race and anything else that pops into his head.

    I’d like to return a greeting without worrying if the man was going to take it further.

    I’d like it if men would respect my personal space and not try to stand right up against me. I don’t know you!

    But most especially, I’d want articles such as yours, and all the ensuing comments, to be unheard of because stuff like that simply didn’t happen to women.

    I guess I can dream hey?

  100. Lauren wrote:

    Great article, and its something that a lot of women relate to and have expressed here. The thing is, what’s the solution? Of course, educating men (the perps and the innocents)about the reasons why women have such strong reations when men come onto them is absolutely crucial. But what about that nice guy? Are women, because of society today, forced to see every man as capable of harassment or rape? There are good men out there, but fear has been pulled so intensely over our eyes that even he is a suspect. As a young single woman, how do I and others like me start to let down this constant guard?

  101. PPR_Scribe wrote:

    Shadow and Act: I think you would have to find an analogous situation where the catcalling for Black men is in a larger context of hypervisibility for some physical aspect of the men, combined with the power imbalance.

    So…maybe something like White men catcalling what a hip dresser a Black man is, or how wonderfully deep his voice is…or constantly asking if the Black man would come to the club with them to teach them to dance, or join their departmental basketball team. *And* all of this should occur during times when the Black men are attempting to just go about their day-to-day lives: pumping gasoline or shopping for groceries or getting a haircut or going to work.

    Even though the White men may see these things as “complimentary,” it is the constant exposure, and the idea that they do not acknowledge them men as individuals, and only focus on one aspect of the men that may cause them to feel some of what women do as the recipients of street harassment.

  102. upson wrote:

    This is the problem with our society. For some reason, men think that all women want is to hear some sexy come-ons and then we will hop in the sack with them. Leave us alone. We just want to coexist and believe it or not, we don’t always want you.

  103. lunanoire wrote:

    Joy, though some people believe that idea that unmarried = single, even my engagement-ring-wearing friend late in her pregnancy was approached by disrespectful dudes.

  104. 'didi wrote:

    From one Ndidi to another, I’ve definitely experienced this in my past, just not in the U.S.

    In Nigeria, I’ve had much older men whistle at me, grope me while I was at the market, scream “Fine girl! ‘Ais! ‘Ais!” and make me feel like crud.

    I remember being 15 and my mom forced me to follow her to the market. By the time we were done, I was screaming at her that I will never go again, and she blamed it on me wearing a sleeveless shirt. If I hadn’t worn it, she said, I wouldn’t have been touched.

    I’m still hurt by that freaking incident.

  105. C wrote:

    Stuff like this annoys me. Why is it always black males being blamed for bad behavior, when bad behavior comes from all guys, regardless of race? How many times are black males met with scorn for being disrespectful, but when white guys, or any other non-black guys do it, it goes ignored?

    This is just more racist BS.

  106. RLS wrote:

    I’m a black gay male living in NYC, and I’ll add my two cents. I hate it when I see these jerks staring down women, or harassing them on the street, or catcalling with the “Hey ma!” and the “Ay, baby!”. It makes me sick, and I hate that they’re all black. Every single one of them. What I have noticed living here is that, quite frankly, young black men are raising themselves on the streets, and this is what they see and what becomes acceptable. It’s very sad, but the cycle continues and continues. How this affects me is that I’m a generally friendly guy, but if I catch a woman’s eye on the street she automatically looks away, regardless of race. I’m not easily or immediately clocked as gay, so I’m pegged as a potential aggressor or harasser. These men are why women are afraid of black men, and while this is a little racist and tinged with a whole lot of other crap, there are daily reminders as to why some of us can’t get right every single day. After seeing what I see every day and reading this article, I can’t really blame them for being afraid. I have no idea what it’s like to be a woman, but what I gather is that men are a threat under most circumstances. I just wish Black men could get it together.

  107. Celia wrote:

    …what more can I say that hasn’t already been said! It sad when men don’t really see anything wrong about their actions. It amazes me to hear men tell stories about what THEY would do if a grown-a@@ man were to ever look , let along SPEAK! to their daughter, wife or mother in such a manner. And yet this behavior is justified in their minds when they feel like doing it! It’s unacceptable behavior & that’s it! …and the ‘headphone’ trick, I use that all of the time! it’s a big reason why I won’t get a wireless ear piece for my cell phone! Sad isn’t it!?

  108. DivergentDana wrote:

    Well, in the case of many black women, C, they get this behavior almost exclusively from black men. Personally, I’ve had to deal with this from non-black men about thrice in my entire life.

  109. Rina wrote:

    I am really glad that this letter was posted because it articulated so well the feelings I myself have had as a female bodied person navigating through public spaces. Sometimes it gets to the point where I dread walking down the street because I just want to be left alone. Women are objectified in so many ways and street harassment, which is sometimes thinly veiled as complimenting, is such a mind fuck.

    I skimmed through all the posts and it seems like this is a prevalent problem for most women. My question is how do we confront this problem? How do we teach young men and boys that this kind of behavior is not acceptable and it is sexist? We teach young girls and women about rape and other forms of overt abuse but with subtle hostilities such as street harassment we never touch on the subject.

  110. smudgedlipstick wrote:

    @ Shadow and Act- re: your statement ” Education, socioeconomic status, etc, are of influence. The lower the level, the more likely the rude behavior, and vice-versa”

    I don’t agree with this statment at all. I am a working class (working poor) woman who has worked in both administrative and customer service oriented positions where I have been subjected to the worst kind of harassment from so-called “Upper class” men who take advantage of their social status and position of power (in this case, the imbalance of power between the customer and the CSR or the employer and the employee). It’s bad enough being condescend to by someone who doesn’t even know how to use a fax machine but throw in the “flattering” sexual comments and it’s tongue biting than I can bear!

  111. pixilated wrote:

    Slush wrote:

    Anecdotally, I spent 3 months in South Africa – mostly Johannesburg, and this did not happen to me the entire time I was there.

    It was the most sexual-harassment-free three months of my adult life.

    while i’m glad to hear you felt such relief at being in johannesburg and not being subjected to the harassment you would normally encounter in your normal everday life not every woman is so lucky. i’ve lived in johannesburg for the past 22 years and trust me i’ve had plenty of the same/similar experiences of catcalling/being groped by strangers/harassed/followed etc. just this past tuesday on my way home from work i was followed for a long part of my journey home from a persistent man who wouldn’t take the hint in spite of my headphones, walking very quickly, noncommittal mumbled answers and the assertion that i have a live-in lover to whom i’m happily quite committed. sadly i’ve heard/witnessed more than my share of women friends/relatives/strangers being groped/shouted at for not reacting appropriately to a stranger’s unwanted advances and so on and so forth…

    johannesburg is nototiously inaccessible for people who don’t have cars – public transport after working hours is pretty much non-existent, so you often find that interaction between people is further stratified because of this – many of the people you’d come across daily as a commuter who takes buses and/or taxis might suddley become pretty invisible to you if you’re using different transportation. hell, when i stopped having to take public transport everywhere it suddenly subtracted a huge section of the population from my daily encounters.

    also keep in mind that because of the way in which johannesburg has grown there are several cbd’s so the sandton cbd would have quite a different character to downtown joburg cbd and is also still unlike the randburg cbd etc. it has made it more necessary and convenient to get around by car, but there are still large sectors of the population who don’t have their own cars.

    unfortunately being out and about during the day doesn’t necessarily make it any safer for a woman going about her own business – with or without friends. i don’t really want to diminish your own experiences here (or those shared by many other posters) but i think your being a foreign (american?) visitor could possibly have influenced the way in which people you met treated you (say, as opposed to if you were a south african woman of colour?) i’ve witnessed this plenty of times when people’s behaviour towards someone else suddlenly flips when they find out they’re american – both for the better and worse. not saying its right but it does happen – as a u.s. citzen travelling in africa you have a certain level of privilege that you wouldn’t if you were an african-born woman travelling here.

  112. FoldingChair wrote:

    Well the adage about closed mouths not being fed comes to mind. Also, it’s disheartening to see the level of discontent with Black Men. I do wonder, however, how you would react if you lived here in the south. Cursory greetings and small talk are always given, even by complete strangers. I suppose that makes us somehow more predisposed to being some sort of predators.

  113. pixilated wrote:

    @foldingchar: there is a huge difference between greeting someone and making small talk to be polite and having to fend off the advances of someone you aren’t interested in but possibly have to be somewhat polite to because you fear they might become angry and start yelling at you; or even some strange man feeling like he has the right to put his hands on your body – maybe even on your private parts – because you are a woman and he isn’t. also please note many posters have said that in a lot of instances this tends to happen amongs men and women of the same race. its not merely vilifying black men. its a certain mode of behaviour that is being discussed which some men of many different races in many different parts of the world are guilty of.

  114. Roschelle wrote:

    Most definitely a valuable piece of literature that I would hope the young man was forced to read. It this type behavior that gives me the willies. Don’t assume. The writer said she didn’t like to and the male employee who should really feel like an idiot shouldn’t either.

    There’s a time and place for everything…this wasn’t the time nor the place

  115. BlkSmarTee wrote:

    Great post Ndidi! I have been there as well. As a college student studying in Boston, I am approached or eyed daily by men, especially black and Latino men greeting and complementing me in some way or another. Sometimes its just the friendly “How ya doing today?”. Other times its “How’s it going brown sugar?” or just having my entire body eyed and summed up by a starnger. I have even heard “Can I go?”. I usually try to flash a smile and walk away. The last thing I want is to be insulted in public by a man for not appreciating his advances, and especilly not in front of whites. Strangley enough this is to protect my feelings from embarrassment and to protect these blacks in genreal from being stereotyped further. Its as if I don’t want (closeminded) white people to have another portal into our world with which to demeen and stereotype us.

    I do find that white men eye women too. I beleive this is especially true of black girls with hips and thighs and “hyper-sexualized” bodies (as they find them to be). Because most of the men I interact with daily are white, I find myself avoiding their eye contact the most as they are usually likely to stare just a second to long or have a sly expression. In fact, today when I got on the train, the only seat open was next to an Asian girl in a short skirt. Directly in front of us was a 30 someting white male in a business suit. As soon as I sat beside her, he checked us both out slyly and a smirk came to his face as he browsed us both over. I’m pretty sure some dirty Asian/Ebony porn fantasy was coming to mind. White men often see young WOC in hypersexualized ways that are played back to them in porn movies. That is what I think when an (older) white guy looks directly at my lips or chest when speaking to him. Maybe I’m wrong but I doubt it.

  116. BlkSmarTee wrote:

    I have also benn followed by men in cars, usually white and Hispanic and a white man even asked me if i needed a ride when I was 16. Men are a threat a lot of the time.

  117. Adrianna wrote:

    @ Shadow and Act

    I think if the situation had to be reversed for men of color , I’d say how they like it to deal with police harassing them , tasering them or drawing a gun on them. I wonder if we should ask them about what they were wearing to0. How it feels to be violated in that way!

    in other news this sh@!#t happened http://streetharassment.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/a-senseless-death/.

    Now we also have to suffer death, because some men can’t take rejection. Ain’t it great to be a woman in this world!

  118. Nuala wrote:

    Thank you for writing that letter and sharing it on the this blog. So many of us share your frustration.. this is a letter from thousands.
    I just finished a short film addressing this same issue… part of our daily experience. Please feel free to pass it on. Peace, Nuala http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Qpi-fW6jA

  119. Lauryn wrote:

    With me, it’s not just the “hollering” that bugs me. That I can understand (to an extent,) at least when it’s the simple hello or smile or even an innocuous statement about how I look.

    The ones that get me are the smarmy ones that come with a leer and a look that he is secretly undressing me with his eyes. And then, when I don’t respond to their lines how they want, I have found that THOSE are the men who say things like, “Yeah. Fine. Don’t talk to a Brotha.”

    I actually got the statement about a month ago, “You’re the reason why all the Brother’s are starting to date white women.” I almost turned and chewed that guy out, I was so angered by that.

  120. Courtney wrote:

    Thank you for the clarification, Margari! Yes, now that I’m looking at the differences in the garments, it may have been an abaya that I saw on Newark’s streets, every now and then. I may be wrong, though.

    I came back here after watching the Sundance “Brick City” documentary: It showed me that residents of Newark are working hard to affect change in their community, and my calling it a “hell-hole” earlier was just wrong. Problems like street harassment aren’t going to stop if efforts to improve these spaces are being casually maligned.

  121. Beth wrote:

    As a white female, I’ve gotten catcalled and worse from groups of men from all races. When I lived in Connecticut, it was mostly Hispanic men who would whistle in their trucks or yell things while I was walking down the street. When I moved to Boston and had to take the bus to work, I would get unnecessary attention on the bus from mostly black men with some white men. The worst are the drunks. I work a night shift (10pm), so I take the bus at night, which seems to be when all the drunks are out. The worst is that they don’t take a hint and are very frustrating and uncomfortable.

  122. Golden Silence wrote:

    Ndidi, thank you for articulating what I go through as a Black woman when it comes to street harassment, specifically from Black men.

    For a year and a half, I lived in a neighborhood that was transitional, mostly Black neighborhood. I had to steel myself to men loitering on the streets, lewd commentary, whistles from truck drivers, etc. It was like walking through a gauntlet daily. I’d get physical threats if I didn’t respond the way they wanted.

    I’d hate it when women of other races or men would walk by and these harassers wouldn’t say crap to them, but when I walk by all hell breaks loose. If they know a White, Hispanic or Asian woman doesn’t want them talking to them, why do they think Black women want to be bothered with them?

    I’ve since moved to the suburbs and while I have more freedom of movement in my new neighborhood (no one hangs on the corner and it’s a young professional- and family-oriented area), however, the harassment has not ceased completely. And ironically, it’s usually from Black men who aren’t from the neighborhood, who are passing by either by bike or car. Unbelievable.

    I also hate being made into a fetish. I’m light-skinned and have dreadlocks, so these men love to refer to me as “Light-skinnded [sic],” “Snowflake” (yes, I’ve been called that), “Dreads,” “Redbone,” and other nasty things. These men have no respect for me as a human being, as a woman, since they’re only obsessed with the idea of a “perfect” Black woman with light skin (in their own sick heads). Don’t let me negatively respond to them, because they’ll use my skin color against me, calling me “Stuck-up light-skinnded [sic] bitch.”

    I hate these men with a passion. I hate them for making me have to keep up a tough facade when trying to get through the day. I hate them for making me so angry. I hate them for making me lump all Black men in the same category, simply because I’d rather judge and be safe then do the “innocent until proven guilty” act to preserve myself. I hate these men.

    Moving to the suburbs put a bandage on a problem that needs a stronger panacea. Harassment seems as if it’ll never completely go away.

  123. Maya wrote:

    As a black woman and a womanist – I get the annoyances with cat calls, or even looks can be aggressive, but have a slightly different opinion on you experience.

    It takes a lot of work for women just to be unapproachable sometimes and have a peaceful existence. Men can wear us out and be so obnoxious.

    The comment that troubles me most is when a man tells me, “Smile.”
    My thought is, “I am not decoration!”

    I am having thoughts and moods, frankly, and I’m grown. I can figure out when a smile is appropriate.

    All of that being said — I am also a deep empathizer. I know that men are commonly sexist, but aware that there is also great pressure for males. There is pressure for men to pursue and their expectations are that we are waiting to be pursued. The gentleman you encountered probably felt he was being clever.

    He’s thinking it’s better to ask you to dinner than comment on your body. And, yes I think he was asking in his skewed mind shaped by male culture. It doesn’t sound like he was demeaning or assaultive, just ignorant and clueless.

    You have the right to get where you need to go and not be slowed down by this guy, but perhaps he really found you attractive and not just female. Perhaps, he’s even one of the socially awkward.
    Perhaps.

  124. Dorian wrote:

    Oh my gosh – I definitely identify with this post, and many of the comments posted on here. I live in the Bronx, by way of the suburbs of Indianapolis, and I never realized how big a problem it was in terms of black men singling black women out for the “gauntlet” as the OP mentioned until I moved out East. I almost never leave my house without my iPod on and sunglasses (if it’s daytime) so that I can completely breeze past these dudes without giving eye contact or even having to acknowledge their presence.

    It’s really sad, because it sounds so horrible as an African American, that I don’t feel comfortable being approached by black men in those circumstances, but it’s seriously insulting and intimidating to have 4 or 5 big dudes trying to approach you all at once.

    It’s also extremely frustrating, I grew up in a “Cosby-esque” lifestyle and went to one of the best colleges in the country, yet these guys want to reduce me to “ma”, “shawty”, (or “mami” if I’m in the Heights) or “slim”. I’m not your ma, shorty or slim. And no one other than these (unfortunately stereotypical) black guys tries to approach me like that. When Latin, Asian, White or whatever else men approach me, they come with respect.

    I don’t know if it’s a sign of the deterioration of gender relations within the black community or worse, but like the OP, I have no shame in crossing the street or getting off at a different stop because I know that a certain demographic won’t be there to essentially taunt me. And on a side note – who are these women who respond to these disgusting cat calls?! Those are the people we need to be finding and retraining as well!

  125. LadyRebekah67 wrote:

    I was just thinking… Perhaps the answer is to get as fat as possible, wear the nastiest clothing as is possible, never brush hair or wear make-up of any kind, and be as anti-socially hermitic as possible. I know it’s absurd, but perhaps considering that these are the lengths we’d have to go to to become invisible to them will make an impression on the the guilty ones. Notice they don’t catcall bag-ladies? Hmmmm

  126. Michaela wrote:

    Thank you writing this. Your story is my story every day I walk to the train. I live in DC and it’s the exact same thing. I got to work at 6:30 am and I still hear the grunts, catcalls, etc. What a way to start your day huh? It’s gotten to the point where my husband drops me off at the train station most mornings so I don’t have to be harassed. I need more men, black men especially ,to understand and read these posts. It’s not about thinking I’m better than you, but demanding respect.

  127. Candice wrote:

    Thank you so much for putting this feeling of yours into words so precisely. I’m a 19 year-old from Indianapolis, Indiana and I’d like to join the ranks of all who have commented on this article because they feel the same way.

  128. Kristen Cothran wrote:

    Perfectly articulated how i have been feeling for a long time!!!

  129. Meg wrote:

    “Stuff like this annoys me. Why is it always black males being blamed for bad behavior, when bad behavior comes from all guys, regardless of race? How many times are black males met with scorn for being disrespectful, but when white guys, or any other non-black guys do it, it goes ignored?”

    Maybe because most black women have to deal with harassment primarily from black men? I’m white and I’ve never, ever been catcalled by anyone but white men and white boys. I think catcalling must be pretty strongly intraracial; maybe men see their race as their community, and the women of their race as being community property in a way? If this is the way they’re viewing it, then there’s nothing wrong with harassing a woman of the same race, but harassing a woman of another race would be disrespectful (to another group of men) and crossing the line. This might not apply to white men so neatly, though, since plenty of them seem to believe that the world is their oyster, and target Asian and Hispanic women as well as white ones. Maybe they believe they’re entitled to black women, but don’t bother b/c white-centric beauty standards place black women at the bottom of the ‘looks’ ladder?

  130. Golden Silence wrote:

    I think catcalling must be pretty strongly intraracial; maybe men see their race as their community, and the women of their race as being community property in a way?

    Yes! I agree with this completely. There are Black male harassers who think that any Black woman who passes them by is their personal property, and I’m not a fan of that mindset whatsoever.

    Also, I think the Black men who harass us Black women don’t harass White women because they’re afraid of getting caught, knowing good and well someone would rush to that woman’s aid if she called for help (the White damsel in distress stereotype). I can only speak from experience, but when I called for help when getting harassed by Black men, I’ve been dismissed as either being strong enough to handle it on my own (the strong Black woman stereotype) or the issue would be dismissed as domestic (because in some minds, all Black people know each other).

    Some Black men just have the hardest time that not all Black women see other Blacks as “brothas” and “sistas” but as strangers, and just don’t know how to leave us alone. I see everyone I don’t know as a stranger, and I’m not going to have an instant solidarity with someone because we’re the same race. It would be easier if harassers realized that and stopped treating us as objects ready for their taking.

  131. lj wrote:

    a thoughtful response to these questions

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  132. Rick wrote:

    This does seem like a common problem. A lot of women have told me over the years it’s nice to walk with me because that kind of stuff doesn’t happen when they’re with a guy.

    What do you think the solution is? It seems like a pretty deep cultural and social problem that must begin to manifest at a young age.