Jon and Kate Plus Race

By Special Correspondent Nadra Kareem

Editor’s Note: The episode discussed in this piece aired about a year ago, but as Jon and Kate’s marriage publicly disintegrates while many onlookers wonder what will happen to the children, this issue seems worth a bit of discussion. – LDP

This year has no doubt been a trying one for Jon and Kate Gosselin. Not only did the couple file for divorce but also the rumor mill linked Jon to a slew of young hotties and Kate to her beefy bodyguard. Given this, it seems hard to believe that just last year the Gosselins appeared by all means to be one very big happy family. Take the “Korean Dinner” episode which debuted July 2008. In it, Jon—whose father is French and Welsh and mother is Korean—tries to teach his children about their Asian heritage. Unfortunately, Jon, along with Kate, does a pretty abysmal job in educating the children about culture.

For starters, the first scene from the episode is of Kate bowing in stereotypical fashion. Moreover, when discussing the ingredients needed for his Korean dinner, Jon assumes a stereotypical accent. “Ancient Chinese recipe,” he says as if he were Mickey Rooney playing Mr. Yunioshi in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s.” To make matters worse, Kate assumes the same mock accent later on.



So, what do their children learn from this? Asians speak funny. The kids learn that Asian foods smell funny, too. When Jon takes some of them to an Asian grocery store, the kids declare that the goods inside “smell yucky.” This could have been a teachable moment, with Jon educating his children about the food in the store or even suggesting that the children replace the word “yucky” with “different.” Jon, however, simply laughs.

In the episode, we also learn that the children don’t understand who in their household is Korean.

“They have arguments in the car about who is Asian and who is not, and it boils down to me and Alexis are the only non-Asians in the whole house,” Kate remarks. But, on the flipside, one of the children tells Kate, “I’m Asian just like you.”In response, Kate laughs and says, “You are?”

Some of the children even wonder if their stuffed animals are Asian.

While race is a complicated issue for children to grasp, numerous studies indicate that children as young as three have an understanding of it. This means that Jon and Kate could have at least pulled out a map, pointed to Korea and explained that Koreans are people from that country. There’s no reason why they should go around believing that inanimate objects can be Korean. Moreover, it’s also important for them to understand that each child in their household is both Korean and white, lest the children deemed non-Asian develop some sort of complex. Kate already notes that some of the children get angry when told they are not Asian, so why not nip this issue in the bud?

Mixed in with the meal preparation was a generous heaping of martial tension. Although Kate knows little to nothing about Asian cuisine—she’s never even heard of the popular dessert mochi—she tries to do things her own way when helping cook the meal Jon is making. When Jon insists that Kate follow his family recipe and separate the green and white onions from each other, Kate calls him “stubborn.”

Interracial tensions flare as Jon tells Kate that she simply doesn’t understand. “It’s an Asian recipe,” he says. “It has to be perfect or it will not turn out.”

Kate not only tries to prepare the food how she thinks is fit, she attempts to correct Jon’s pronunciation of Korean food, telling him that he shouldn’t shorten bulgogi to “gogi.” When he tells her that this is the equivalent of shortening hamburger to burger, she stands corrected, responding with a simple, “Oh.”

In these exchanges between the couple, it’s difficult to know what force is at play. Is Kate assuming the role of culturally superior Westerner or simply being a controlling wife? At one point, she even tries to kick Jon out of the kitchen, arguing that she needs the space.

Once all is done, though, Kate gives props to Jon for preparing a delicious meal. “I did doubt that he would be able to pull off our dinner,” she admits.

Jon, on the other hand, sees the dinner as more than a meal but as a window into his cultural heritage.

“I think it was important to do this for my family, to show them that I care about my heritage, and you should, too,” he says.

It’s too bad that in the process of making the meal, the Gosselin children were exposed to stereotypes and superficialities about what it means to be Asian. How did Kate, for instance, style Mady’s hair for the occasion? She pulled it into an ill-shaped bun and stuck chopsticks in it. And if the kids ever decide to watch the “Korean Dinner,” they’ll hear the soundtrack TLC set it to—Chinese music.

Yep, they’re Korean, all right.

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Comments

  1. A. wrote:

    I would expect this out of Kate, because she even behaves as though she has no clue about any other culture but her own – and she seems utterly oblivious to the fact that there are other people out there that aren’t interested in being her personal toys.

    As for Jon? This saddens me. Considerably. And quite frankly, unless Kate learns a thing or two about other cultures, she shouldn’t be the one teaching those kids anything because all she’s going to do is push her own stereotypes of what “Asianness” to her is. She is very much so assuming the idea of the “Culturally Superior Westerner” – the Westerner that think that they’re doing PoC a FAVOR if they’re interested in their culture.

    Ultimately, the Gosselin kids need to be exposed more to Asian culture, and not in a watered down, overly sanitized for white eyes form. I would suggest Kate do it with them, but she’s too wrapped up in her own ignorance to do so.

  2. GüeraLola wrote:

    I’m going to say this was from the fact Jon never really cooked for the family. I honesty don’t think because of she is someone who has OCD and a bit of a control freak. She is thee one cooking for the family and in fact she was surprised that Jon said that everything needed to be perfect.
    On the
    “Kate already notes that some of the children get angry when told they are not Asian, so why not nip this issue in the bud?

    Growing up in a biracial household,I noticed that some parents stay off the issue of the kids being biracial until kids are older, some parents do it when they are young as 3 or 5, it depends on the parentI myself didn’t hear people telling I wasn’t XYZ till I was in my teens. . It also depends on the environment; like does the population mostly full of people with European heritage or a big diverse city like New York.
    Beside there so much we don’t know about the family ,they may keep how Jon sees himself or the kids ethnic background private. As I recall I,don’t see may episodes were they even mentioned Jon’s race.

  3. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    Is Kate assuming the role of culturally superior Westerner or simply being a controlling wife? At one point, she even tries to kick Jon out of the kitchen, arguing that she needs the space.

    yes, from the sound of the episode, Kate was trying to take on the role of the “superior Westerner.”

    I really can’t stand it when white people try to tell me what I know and don’t know about my religion, culture, or heritage.

    That’s what it sounded like what Kate was doing to Jon, but sadly, it seems Jon wasn’t any knowledgeable about his Korean heritage, either.

  4. Alpha Asian wrote:

    When you’re that far removed from your ancestral culture, then having a “cultural day” doesn’t mean jack. Culture is not something you can live for a day or eat in single meal. Just because you can use chopsticks doesn’t mean you’re Asian. Culture is something that you’re so immersed in that you can’t separate from it.

  5. Thea Lim wrote:

    Thanks for the breakdown Nadra. That sounds really…awful.

    Though coming from a mixed race family that never talked about race (mind you my parents never filled my head with racial stereotypes, they just never talked about race), sometimes kids find a way to muddle through on their own. I guess it’s good there’s 8 of them – at least they have lots of co-muddlers.

    “Moreover, it’s also important for them to understand that each child in their household is both Korean and white, lest the children deemed non-Asian develop some sort of complex.”

    I really like that you said this. Yeah, they’re not one or the other – they’re not even half and half. They’re both.

    When people describe folks who are biracial, they often use the terminology of halves and quarters. I used to talk like this myself – but I’ve gotten to a point where I just say, I’m Chinese and white. I don’t need to say half – because it’s not as if each half is static and perfectly Asian or white…it’s all mixed up.

    They’re both – but culturally we seem to have an issue (and even little kids are internalising this confusion) that you can’t be more than one thing at once. Even though everyone is.

  6. Fiqah wrote:

    Kate not only tries to prepare the food how she thinks is fit, she attempts to correct Jon’s pronunciation of Korean food, telling him that he shouldn’t shorten bulgogi to “gogi.”

    *hard wince*

    And chopsticks in your kid’s hair, too? Yeesh. Anti-Racist Parent should start holding interventions…

  7. Jennifer dG wrote:

    While what you say is true, Alpha Asian, a lot of us who have grown up removed from our ancestral culture still would like to retain something of it so that it isn’t forgotten. A lot of the time, our grandparents immigrated here in a time when assimilation was expected and our parents spoke only English and retained only a few traditions. However, we still want to feel some connection to where we came from. You might feel my family having a Filipino dinner or making lumpia together while reminiscing about our grandfathers is an insufficient expression of culture, but for us it is that connection and reminder.

    My mom did a good job educating me about my ethnic heritage. She drew a pie chart on a paper plate for me and explained where my grandparents came from and showed those places to me on a globe. And, yes, sometimes she spoke in a faux-Filipino accent, but always affectionately, in memory of her father’s voice. I find myself doing it, too. Recently, I was cooking and said, “Oh, I need to make rice. I porgot!” and got kind of sad for my kids, who won’t hear a Filipino grandfather’s voice, teasing them about their “plat nose” and piling food on their plate.

  8. malted_tea wrote:

    Just finished watching a snippet of Mlle. on The View but don’t know enough about the show to talk about their relationship. From the sounds of it though, “toxic”would be an understatement.

    I put a lot of the blame on TLC for boxing this family. They have the corporate resources to be more aware and neglecting to do so by playing Chinese music is egregious.

    Now for Jon and Kate. I started reading this post and was like: “Gee, it’s hard enough to be a decent parent, we have to all be trained sociologists, too?”

    Not being of mixed heritage, I can see where the behaviours of both parents – as described here – could be troublesome.

    But, as Thea Lim mentioned, there’s several of these cuties to “co-muddle” with each other as they grow up and realize – like we all did on our own – that parents aren’t as smart as we assume they ought to be.

  9. ty wrote:

    Is it bad that i liked that the kids all wanted to be asian? I guess when i was growing up all the asian kids ever wanted to be was white and were often ashamed of their heritage. It just thought it was refreshing to see the opposite if even for a little while.

  10. luckyfatima wrote:

    That was quite painful to watch.

    To the kids credit, they thought a durian fruit smelled ‘yucky.’ I happen to love that fruit, but some people liken its scent to that of a rotting corpse, and it is banned in hotels and airplanes as well as the underground transport in Singapore because of the smell.

    Anyhoo, everything about Kate’s behavior was just awful. A perfect example of how a white parent can be damaging to a child (and spouse) of color and their development of racial identity. One could write an anti-racist parenting pointer sheet of what NOT to do with clips of that video as illustration.

  11. t. allen-mercado wrote:

    I never watched the show, but the dynamics of their relationship (based on media coverage) appear to place Kate (of her own doing) at the superior end of the relationship at every angle. I wouldn’t say it was deliberately or exclusively Western superiority at play.

    To GüeraLola’s point, as the parent of bi-racial children growing up in NYC- we never really discussed the intricacies of their racial/cutural make-up…they never asked and quite frankly-I don’t think they thought of themselves as being different given the multi-racial/cultural makeup of both my husband’s and my own family and living in NYC.

    Since moving to AZ, they’ve been asked and regretfully we’ve had to hold a crash course in multi-racial/cultural social morays. It kind of felt like Black history month or Latin food night at our house…although it certainly wasn’t as simple or as trivial as that.

  12. Jennifer Gandin Le wrote:

    @Fiqah – LOL – I’m not a fan of reality TV generally, but I would ABSOLUTELY watch an Anti-Racist Parent Intervention show.

  13. Nappy Mind wrote:

    I noticed Jon kept referred to the meal as “Korean Asian” as if Korea is not in Asia. He also said he bought the ingredients at an Asian market because the “normal” market doesn’t sell those items.

    I’m glad that where I live, the Caribbean markets, African markets, Asian markets, etc. are not considered abnormal.

    On the other hand, I applaud Jon for trying to share his culture with their children in his own way. This was a great effort considereing Jon doesn’t do the cooking.

    Also, I understand Kate being uncomfortable since she is usually the only cook in the kitchen.

  14. n wrote:

    @Nappy Mind

    See, I think its ok to specify “Korean” as opposed to some other sort of “Asian” cuisine.

    As far as abnormal, while there is the judgmental aspect of the word, if the Asian market isn’t the “norm” its not the “normal” market, though I suppose “typical” or some other word would sound better to differentiate a general market from a specialty market.

  15. Yuko (emma_zero) wrote:

    As far as Jon and Kate go, how they interacted with each other had such an unhealthy tone to begin with. It’s very uncomfortable to watch them together anytime and this episode is no exception… I always felt like they were disasters waiting to happen, with or without the burden of having 2 sets of multiples.

    If there is any racial tension here, it takes a back seat for me, way back.

    However I do agree that they were careless about what impact each of their actions relating to Korean culture would have on the children. And I didn’t care for the lack of explanation on what is what in Asia. If they are going for Pan-Asian theme with stronger focus on Korea, then it would have been fine. They said nothing like that here. They showed wasabi peas which is originally Japanese and they didn’t clarify that. The kids must think it’s a type of Korean snack now. Just like people who like to go to Teriyaki restaurants run by Korean people who serves Kim Chee thinks Kim Chee is Japanese. LOL

    On a personal note, I admit that since I am a Japanese immigrant, I sometimes make fun of my own people by speaking with what’s known as typical enhanced Japanese accent. You know, the way John Belushi spoke as a samurai sub sandwich maker on SLN. I could do it because I am Japanese and it feels endearing to me. But as I read this post, I realized I probably need to think seriously about what I am portraying when I do that.

    Thanks for this entry.

  16. Evan wrote:

    Why does the tabloid media continue to cover these two LOSERS (Jon and Kate)? I feel bad for the kids. I just hope most of them can make it through adulthood without the assistance of meds and booze.

  17. RobynT wrote:

    I think Kate’s totally controlling, but as for the green onion bit, it seemed like Jon didn’t know why they were supposed to be separated; it was just the way he was taught to do it or seen it done or whatever. I mean, yeah she should’ve let it be his thing and maybe we shouldn’t have to explain our cultures to outsiders, but I can see where she’s coming from. I think this is more about her being the cook in the family and worrying that he doesn’t know how to cook.

    In terms of raising multiracial children or children of color, people do all kinds of awful things. I don’t think the Gosselins situation is especially bad–just televised. My Asian American parents still say Oriental, for god’s sake. And my sister always complained that certain foods or objects “smelled like Chinatown.” (We are third-gen Chinese and 4th-gen Japanese.) Our family still jokes about this–because Chinatown has a smell. And I think her comment was derogatory as a child, but now I think of Chinatown smell kind of fondly.

    I do worry about the kids having support for their Asian American identities. This is why I wouldn’t want Kate to have full custody, but neither of the parents seems like a very good role model these days.

  18. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Fiqah –

    And chopsticks in your kid’s hair, too? Yeesh. Anti-Racist Parent should start holding interventions…

    :::goes to buy Carmen a flashlight and a flip video camera::::

  19. Katie wrote:

    Hmm, I think having the kids substitute “yucky” with “different” would essentially preserve their original sentiment while couching it in nicer language. We’ve all had the experience of “you’re not bad, just different” meaning exactly the opposite of what it says. I think what’s more important is that one-time flash-in-the-pan exposures to cultural heritage do not make for immersion or instant cultural awareness. If the kids went there regularly they would have been used to the smell by now.

    Also, shortening “bulgogi” to “gogi” is changes the entire meaning of the word. “Bulgogi” means “fire meat” (the name of a dish, like “meatloaf”) and “gogi” just means “meat”. I’m assuming if he speaks any Korean at all he knows this….

  20. Sobia wrote:

    Ugh. I thought her/their strong adherence to traditional gender roles was irritating enough but now this too. This combined with her sexist stereotyping makes me wonder what type of stereotypical behaviours these kids will grow up thinking are “just the way things are.”

  21. Phrone wrote:

    I’m glad to see from the comments that a lot of other mixed race people had similar experiences of not being told about their race. My parents weren’t always the greatest at dealing with racial issues (not that they were racists, they just…didn’t talk about it a lot). I also imagine it’s more difficult when the kids are mixed, because their experiences are different from either parent. (Unless the kid is a parent of two mixed individuals, but I think that is largely not the case.)

  22. Anita wrote:

    To their credit, the kids are only 1/4 Korean, and maybe Jon’s parents didn’t raise him as Korean..

    I don’t know, but for kids that are only 25% Korean, the expectations are quite high.

  23. Leezel wrote:

    I found that episode to be particularly bothersome because Jon is biracial (of course I was smh at Kate’s ignorance too). He fumbled the ball here but he can recover it and do better. Because the LAST thing we need is more colorblind people lol.

  24. B. Canseco wrote:

    I don’t have a link but maybe someone out there does, but i saw an interview maybe last year with Jon & kate’s sister/brother in law and the sister let it slip that Kate’s original fascination with Jon was about his korean heritage and not about him as a person. Kate is allegedly is really “into Asian guys”.

    I’ve heard this a couple times from different folks connected to these two. maybe someone can find links or can verify. i know i saw it but just don’t have copies of it.

    My point is just as a good friend of mine explained “Rice Kings” to me a few years ago (white men who fetishize asian women/asian culture), I think Kate G is a Rice Queen and their specific relationship is one of a interracial fetish that simply went off the rails and once the kids came, they saw no real way out.

  25. Restructure! wrote:

    This makes me sad.

    Wearing chopsticks in your hair is something white people do. People in Asia would wear hair pins/sticks in their hair, not eating utensils.

    Fortune cookies aren’t really Asian food. They are Western food.

    I’m not some kind of cultural police, as I understand why Jon and Kate would give their children Asian stereotypes and tell them it’s Asian culture (because they don’t know). However, I feel sorry for the children. When I was younger, I also thought Asians wore chopsticks in their hair, but my mom set me right. I also thought fortune cookies were Chinese (because they showed it in cartoons), until I noticed that the type of Chinese restaurants that my parents like don’t serve them. I know a bit more now about Asian cultures because I’m an adult trying not to be so ignorant, but this is why I feel embarrassed for Jon and his children.

    This could have been a teachable moment, with Jon educating his children about the food in the store or even suggesting that the children replace the word “yucky” with “different.”

    But this sounds almost sarcastic! Among Asian people from Asia, durians have a reputation of being horrible smelling. Is the smell of durians “different” from smells of familiar fruits in the same way that Asians are “different” from white people? I mean, I really don’t think it’s a good idea to make that kind of analogy, comparing Asian “difference” to the smell of durians.

  26. ktrujillo wrote:

    Maybe Kate’s been learning about “Asian Culture” on the Scholastic website. Sheesh.

    http://www.scholastic.com/dearamerica/activities/crafts/chiao_chopsticks.htm

  27. Gem wrote:

    On another older episode, when Kate was talking about her kids she also mentioned that she is glad her kids don’t look like her and referred to her daughters as her little China dolls. I think that alone is much worse than the clip above.

  28. TN wrote:

    @luckyfatima #10 – I LOVE durian! but I can understand how some other people would find it icky… personally I can’t handle pawpaw/papaya, the smell makes me ill and yet more westerners are ok with pawpaw than durian while I’m not hehe there is cultural awareness that comes with exposure and then just simple personal taste

    @Nappy Mind #13 – I’ve found that in Australia, when “westernised” grocer stores sell… erm… “different” ingredients, they massively hike up the prices. I don’t understand why because you can go to the South Asian/East Asian/Turkish grocer store just across the road or at least down the road (ok, maybe the next suburb depending where you live) and grab some yummy sweets while at it XD – but then I’m 1st gen Asian in Aust, so I grew up with parents who saw the “western” grocers as a convenient place to get milk and sandwich bread and everything else was bought from other places. So I actually grew up with the odd idea that “western” supermarkets are “different” rather than the other way around.

    @Restructure! #25 – I didn’t know that about fortune cookies, true… come to think of it, I can’t recall ever going to an actual real Asian restaurant that served fortune cookies but they keep showing it on tv and I really wanted some, so I bought a bucket of them – from an Asian grocery store funnily enough and it happened to be a Korean store – and me and my little cousins pigged out on fortune cookies for a day.

  29. ashlynn wrote:

    I think you can cut them some slack. It’s obvious that from Jon’s heritage alone, there’s a LOT of teaching and digesting that happens in their household, though I do find it weird that only one of the kids is considered not Asian. What’s that about?

  30. maus wrote:

    See, just because somone’s on reality tv, doesn’t make them an ambassador for culture.

    They’re obviously not very smart people, intellectually incurious.

  31. little mixed girl wrote:

    i gave up half-way through the clip. it was getting late and i was getting tired.

    i should chime in as another mixed person who didn’t have a bunch of racial talks as a kid.
    when i got into elementary school it was more like “you need to study hard because you don’t want people to think mixed kids/minority kids are stupid”.

    jon is half-korean, and one thing i noticed is that it doesn’t seem like he knows a whole lot about korea/korean culture/etc.

    honestly, it’s kind of sad, but again, maybe his mom or his parents decided that they didn’t need to focus on “korean” things as much as “american” things.
    kate, seems to see “asian as asian”, and i think that he has kind of picked that up and maybe added it to incidents that he had in his life.
    i don’t think i’ve ever heard someone refer to korean food as “korean asian”.

    as to them having basically a “cultural night”. i kind of feel like in this case, that’s about all you can expect.
    if jon was raised in an environment where korean culture was more close and near to him, maybe it wouldn’t be such a forced effort on his part.

    i think “korea”/”asia” is just as foreign to him as it is to kate.
    and both of them seem like they haven’t had a lot of exposure to asians in general, soo…
    (again, haven’t watched the show, so, maybe i’m picking up something that’s not there).

  32. Kaonashi wrote:

    I’m not going to judge this family based on half hour snippets I see on TV.

  33. jstele wrote:

    Nappy Mind,

    “I noticed Jon kept referred to the meal as “Korean Asian” as if Korea is not in Asia.”

    That’s not what he meant. He was just noting what kind of Asian food it was.

  34. Ruchama wrote:

    Kate constantly refers to anyone from Asia as “Asian” rather than the specific country. I remember one episode where the went to see Cirque du Soleil or something like that, and Kate was describing her favorite act as “A bunch of little Asian girls doing this acrobatic act…” and Jon interrupted, saying, “They’re Chinese, I was reading about them in the program…” and Kate jumped back in, in a tone like she was correcting him, with, “They’re Asian.”

    I also noticed, in an episode a few years after the Korean Dinner one, after the family visited Hawaii (where Jon’s mother grew up and he still has family), one of the little boys was wearing a t-shirt that said “Hapa” across the front.

  35. Fiqah wrote:

    @Jennifer Gandin Le and the Editrix: Ya know, I about died laughing picturing Carmen with the flashlight. “Kate – KATE! STOP! Put the chopsticks down and let the little girl GO!” Tee. :D

  36. fanisse wrote:

    Great piece. I have observed some of the same things on the program and wondered if it was just me. Kate also has some weird gender ideas, as well, ones she might want to reign in esp. with regard to her sons.

    I like the idea that the family show the kids maps so they can understand their heritage a little better, but was confused by this comment wrt to the stuffed animals:

    ‘There’s no reason why they should go around believing that inanimate objects can be Korean. ‘

    It seems to be this is the essence of imaginative play which is key to emotional and creative development. I am not getting what you mean to say with it.

  37. Feminazi wrote:

    @ Restructure! #25- Just FYI, Fortune cookies are based off of Japanese cookies from Kyoto that look very similar (but are bigger, not as sweet and darker colored). They got adopted by westernized Chinese take-out places because Americans liked them. You can still get the originals in Kyoto. I completely agree with you otherwise, I just thought I’d share my random fortune cookie knowledge.

  38. londonmabel wrote:

    While I think it’s appropriate to critique the TV show from a racial perspective, in terms of its relation to the audience etc. — I think it’s a bit off to be critiquing Jon’s parenting (Eg. his response to the child’s “stinky” comment) as though these short clips tell us what kind of father he is re. teaching his children about their culture. Let’s keep in mind that “reality television” isn’t all that real.

  39. Bagelsan wrote:

    ‘There’s no reason why they should go around believing that inanimate objects can be Korean.”

    That sounds pretty cute to be honest. I don’t expect those kids to “not see race” regarding their own stuffed animals for goodness sake; making up a backstory for toys seems appropriate and normal and I like that the toys aren’t all “white.” (Also, aren’t plenty of toys Korean in the technical sense anyways?)

  40. Stef wrote:

    I think the episode showed that Kate did know what Mochi was, but that she wasn’t familiar with the type of Mochi that contained ice cream, hence she left the mochi on the countertop, and it melted.

    Also, re: Jon saying “Korean Asian”: this may be another one of Jon’s characteristic turns of phrases. He often just phrases things differently (which Kate always seemed quick to point out to him and tease him about) OR he may actually just be saying “Korean/Asian” meaning sort of Asian fusian with a Korean emphasis. I think he stated that some of the food he was cooking, like the fried rice perhaps, wasn’t strictly Korean food but rather the food his mom cooked as a result of her having grown up in Hawaii. So it’s actually sort of a Hawaiian-Korean-Asian thing. Maybe.

    I always got the impression that Jon didn’t really grow up emersed in his mom’s Korean culture, and actually if anything, since his Mom grew up in Hawaii, he probably got some Hawaiian cultural tidbits, not strictly Korean ones. I think Jon was particularly close to his Dad growing up (they would do sports together and had similar laid-back personalities), and his Mom’s family lived far away, in Hawaii. Plus, they grew up in suburban Pennsylvania, and maybe there wasn’t or isn’t a big Asian (or specifically Korean) enclave that they were a part of. And so it goes with the Gosselin 8.

    I remember when this show originally aired, wondering if Racialicious was going to cover it, because there was so much material there. Glad it finally hapened.

  41. stephanie wrote:

    My parents were actually really conscientious about talking to my sister and I about our mixed-race status. My dad especially (Caucasian) used to talk about how we had ‘the good bits of being both’ in how we lived our lives.

    Kate was describing her favorite act as “A bunch of little Asian girls doing this acrobatic act…” and Jon interrupted, saying, “They’re Chinese, I was reading about them in the program…” and Kate jumped back in, in a tone like she was correcting him, with, “They’re Asian.”

    I WINCED reading this bit.

  42. K wrote:

    Stef:

    I know the area that the Gosselins lived in, and it’s definitely a predominately white area. I remember an episode of the show where they went on a plane somewhere (California?) and the kids were excited to see other Asians, since it really doesn’t happen much out here. They live near a lot of farms in a heavily Amish area.

  43. sandeep wrote:

    i think it takes a certain level of awareness and intelligence to properly educate children in the ways of race. me personally, if i had kids, i’d tell them race was a useless invention. however, had i a strain of pride in the south-asian my folks brought me up with say, and wanted certain things remembered, i can see how POC are at odds with todays culture / education as to how to do it without crucifying yourself in the process.

  44. ourname wrote:

    Wow. Just wow.

  45. Reiter wrote:

    I admit to having liked the first couple of eps I watched of this show as it was rare and refreshing to see an Asian male and white female relationship being featured so prominently on television. Most often it’s the WM/AF dynamic that’s touted in the media, with nary an AM in sight (in racist Hollywood, AMs don’t exist except when they need gangstas/villians, an old martial arts master, or a socially maladjusted comedy relief geek). Plus the kids were so cute they’d give you diabetes just looking at them.

    But as the show wore on, it was quite obvious Kate was this domineering (or at least passive aggressive) control freak and Jon seemed like he was about to blow up any minute trying to put up with it all. In the end, the two were all too human and the show was an inevitable train wreck waiting to happen. I just hope the kids are being taken care of and can get past all of this relatively unscathed mentally and emotionally. Luckily, they have each other if anything.