ACORN Pimp Sting, Child Prostitution and Accountability

by Guest Contributor (and frequent commenter) Atlasien

It’s all over the news lately: an elaborate sting operation by conservative activists.  A man and a woman go into an ACORN office, and ask about how to get affordable housing and file taxes properly.  The woman says she’s a sex worker.  The ACORN representatives give a variety of advice.  Up to this point, I don’t see anything really wrong with what they’re doing.  But then the man starts talking about his plan of bringing a group of underage girls, 13 years old, 14 years old, from El Salvador to “turn tricks” in the house.  And in the videos shown, the ACORN representatives keep on giving him advice.

I went to the sources and actually read through some transcripts.  As an example, see Page 22 of the Baltimore one.  It’s just as damning as the right-wingers are saying.

I’m glad that ACORN is firing everyone who took the bait, but I don’t think the accountability ends there.  They need to have a consistent anti-human trafficking policy.  Apparently some ACORN offices either threw them out or laughed them out (the “pimp” does look rather laughable) but way too many of them them took him seriously.  I believe ACORN’s statement about their need for reforms and review is not “caving in”, it’s an important process of accountability.

A lot of people on the left don’t want to talk about this issue.  I get a feeling of closing ranks.  After all, ACORN has done many, many good things for low-income communities.  They work with people on the margins of society that no one else will work with.  It’s a difficult balance.  Low-income people who work in illegal activities should NOT be cut off and isolated… but activities that savagely victimize other people shouldn’t be supported, either. I would never say that drug-dealing and sex work are “victimless” crimes; that would be a stupid statement because there are very few activities that are truly victimless, either legal or illegal.  Selling cigarettes is legal, for example, but not victimless.

But I refuse to believe that there is any kind of gray area when it comes to child prostitution.

It’s a serious problem in Atlanta.

NOW PBS REPORT:

A 2005 report from the Mayor’s office [PDF] offers these alarming findings:
- African American girls are disproportionately affected, with 90% of cases reported to the Center to End Adolescent Sexual Exploitation in 2004 coming from this population.
- Anecdotal evidence suggests that the average age of the affected girls is 14, with some as young as 10 and 11 reported.
- There is only one safe house east of the Mississippi River specifically for girls who have been sexually exploited – it is <a href=”http://www.juvenilejusticefund.org/programs/cease/angelashouse.aspx”>Angela’s House</a> in Georgia and can only accommodate six girls at a time.

From a local article:

Hooray! Atlanta is in the running to be No. 1! Let’s have a parade.

Uh, maybe not. Our city has earned a distinction, but it’s hardly one we crave. According to the FBI, Atlanta is among 14 cities vying for child prostitution capital of America. We’re up there with such hot destinations as Tampa, Miami and Washington, D.C.

[...]

FBI Special Agent Steve Emmett says there’s a problem with Brazilian girls being brought to Atlanta to service Hispanic day laborers. But most of the exploited children are homegrown.

Nationally, “200,000 to 300,000 children are believed to be at-risk for sexual exploitation,” according to “Hidden in Plain View,” a study of Atlanta’s problem. Other cities, such as Las Vegas, have estimated their number of child prostitutes in the 400-500 range.

“Hundreds?” muses Cathey Steinberg of Atlanta’s Juvenile Justice Fund. “Oh, absolutely. I call it an epidemic.”

About a dozen girls each month go through the Atlanta juvenile court system as victims of sexual exploitation. Typically, they’re 10 to 14 years old, and the average age is getting younger. Contributing factors aren’t a surprise: broken homes, physical and sexual abuse, runaways, poverty, housing instability and emotional problems. Few girls seek out prostitution, but the pimps know how to spot kids in distress.

What’s Atlanta’s big draw for pedo-pervs? One important factor is bustling Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. A 2003 federal law provides for up to 30-year sentences to people who jaunt to a foreign land, say Costa Rica or Thailand, for a kid tryst. A session with a teen or pre-teen inside the United States generally comes under state laws, however, which seldom match the threat of the federal penalties. Georgia in 2001 made pimping children a felony — previously, it was $50 misdemeanor. That has put some pimps away but hasn’t deterred the business, law enforcement officials say.

This is a horrendous problem, and the statistics here show that children of color are the most affected and most victimized.  There are many contributing factors and many, many people to blame.  The pimps, to start off with.  Everyone who enables the pimps, including their friends and relatives and money launderers. The criminal justice system that treats the victims as criminals. Self-righteous prostitute-haters that believe impoverished, abused children should be punished for their “choices” instead of helped… and vote to keep the current system going.  Regular bystanders, like me, that don’t contribute to the victimization but don’t know how to stand against it effectively.

The right-wing anger around the ACORN sting comes from a place of racism more than a place of sympathy.  A huge theme in their commentary is that “their tax money” would be hypothetically going to “illegal immigrant prostitutes”. But I’m not a right-winger, and I’m angry too, not about my tax money, but about a cultural habit spread through all levels of American society that includes enabling victimizers and rapists.

I don’t want to make this a debate about sex work (even though it might end up that way).  I used to work in the sex industry (I waitressed in a strip club), but I’m neither pro- nor anti-industry.  I’ll support anything that <i>works</i>, on the ground, no matter what theoretical framework it comes from.  To place this issue in another perspective, I’ll mention the Southern Poverty Law Center’s campaign against legal immigrant exploitation.  Here’s one positive recent step in that campaign:

The Southern Poverty Law Center praised Congress on Thursday for protecting immigrant workers by passing a human trafficking bill that allows unscrupulous labor recruiters to be prosecuted for fraud, but said more reform is needed to protect these workers from exploitation.

The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 would allow foreign labor recruiters to be prosecuted for fraud when they lure workers to the United States with false promises.

Though H-2 programs are euphemistically called “Guest Worker” programs, it’s often much more like near slavery or indentured servitude.  It’s a form of trafficking that’s 100% legal and enabled by corporate-friendly U.S. law.  Nobody wanted to <i>see</i> its abuses except for a few legal activists and immigrant self-advocates.

Though child prostitution is already illegal, current measures against it are obviously not working.  What are some political measures that can be taken to fight it?  How can we support prostituted children, native and immigrant, with non-punitive services?  What should those ACORN employees known to have said and done instead?  And how can we support the good work that ACORN does while still holding them accountable on this issue?

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Comments

  1. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    wow… firstly I had no idea that Atlanta is the capital of child sex prostitution…

    I’m ashamed and disgusted by ACORN’s child sex scandal. Yeah, I’ve also noticed that the left wing media is too scared to discuss this issue, so I was pleasantly surprised to see this on Racialicious.

    Thank you for writing this.

    those pimps who traffick children and teenagers for sex, need to be hunted down, get arrested and be thrown into prison. This is really disgusting that it’s still happening in the United States, in the 21st century.

  2. maus wrote:

    I agree that the workers did the wrong thing in taking the bait, but this is the Fox News version of Borat/Bruno. Obviously fictitious situations where people (for the most part) play along to their detriment. It sucks that people have to have less of a sense of humor when others are obviously trolling them, but such is the life of an ACORN employee.

  3. jen* wrote:

    the news about ATL is very disturbing, but I believe the reasoning behind Hartsfield – that’s a big, bustling place…even our governor (Sanford) thought he could sneak back into the country there…

    I don’t really know what should be done to help mitigate this problem, but I think that having more safe places for victimized girls is in order. At least at the present time.

  4. Slush wrote:

    Yeah, I want ACORN to take this seriously, because even though the majority of places the filmers went in fact told them to get lost, it seems like the footage they did release was pretty awful.

    And I appreciate you making it about sex work and child exploitation because frankly on the advice about how to evade taxes issue, our fucking chairman of the Treasury didn’t pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes, and he got away with it because he’s a white man. Which doesn’t make it okay for ACORN to help people evade taxes, but makes it pretty racist to launch a giant attack on them over it.

    Ultimately though, ACORN has been defunded and no matter what bad things they may have done to deserve it, it is a big setback for a ton of low income folks in terms of their housing, voting, health and civil rights that no one else gives a shit about.

    Ugh it’s all very upsetting on all sides.

  5. atlasien wrote:

    I don’t think ACORN should be federally defunded. That move is just going to hurt a lot of people and make more of them lose their housing. But I think it’s probably going to happen.

    I’ll plug Angela’s House again(link) they do legal advocacy as well as running the safe house, but they still only have 6 beds.

  6. Lisa J wrote:

    Obviously it was bad that these people at the particular Acorn offices who they caught giving this guy advice should have thrown them out on their ear from the beginning but I think this whole situation is really unfair. I haven’t seen the “left” shying away from this issue and mostly I’ve seen people getting upset and turning their backs on Acorn. I also think that this is a good opportunity to talk about childhood prostitution in general and might be a nice springboard but it is unfair to get upset with Acorn across the board for what was obviously a sting and entrapment. There is no proof that Acorn as an organization sanctions such activities, I have no idea why these individuals didn’t speak up, but to try to make it seem like Acorn makes it their MO to go around helping people who run child prostitution rings is crazy. I’m not saying that this is what the article here is saying but the way that this is playing out on Capital Hill and in the media, that is how they are playing it and it is wrong. This obnoxious kid, who went on Fox dressed as a “pimp” who “caught” this story, came up with a scenario and decided to see who he could set up. I was even mad at Jon Stewart, who I usually love and agree with, for saying he wish he had been the one to break this story open. There was no story, this was a set up and this kid pulled them into this story. I’m sure if you went into the offices of some right wing places and started pretending stuff and making up crazy scenarios you might catch someone up in some thing. Until I see Acorn itself personally participating in child prostitution rings, or officially sanctioning such activities in writing or even having them send a directive to all their staff to advocate such activities, I will chalk this up as a mean-sprited right wing campaign to embarrass and hurt a legitiamate organization that helps minorities and the poor. Personally, I hope this prompts some smart-alek left wing kid to 1) set this kid up to look stupid and say something he shouldn’t and 2) to infiltrate some right wing group and trip them up in the same way. Some how I don’t think the press will have the same field day on that one though. Basically this story is BS. Not the childhood prostitution and how horrible and the way this spoiled brat of a kid used the very idea of such a terrible thing to try to get his way to forward a right-wing attack on a worthy organiztion is disgusting.

  7. Keith wrote:

    Really what a crock. With low income neighborhoods, you are going to deal with this type of exploitation. Drugs and prostitution is the norm in some of these committees because of the low unemployment. Instead of working to fix the problem they decide to completely cut Acorn off in the usual knee jerk fashion. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these concerned conservatives weren’t regular johns themselves. I grew up in a working class neighborhood in Queens. It’s funny how when one of our neighborhoods decided to sell drugs how some of these types would show up, prostitution is no different. Brothel are not unusual in poor and low income communities, but again no one cares. Those involved should have been fired, but to punish everyone that benefited from Acorn? Business as usual I guess, keep them darkies in their place.

  8. A.D. Nix wrote:

    While I HATE the dude who put together the “investigation” and where that came from (see the many images of him in a big fur coat and “pimp” hat – thank god he’s taking this seriously and this is about more than “Gotcha, ACORN!”, hmm?) I welcome any opportunity to get these children on people’s minds.

    I’ve worked with GEMS in NY and an advocacy group in CA that’s working to change the way these children are treated by the law (i.e. treat them like you would treat any sexually exploited child and not like an adult criminals) and the problem is . . . so present, so everywhere and yet so invisible.

    Girls are dismissed as “fast,” the men who exploit them as just older boyfriends and, that’s bad but lots of girls have older boyfriends, right? And once it becomes apparent to families (typically through an arrest) that there is something more going on, a lot of these girls (and boys) are blamed, rejected, kicked-out. And now how are they supposed to take care of themselves? What do you think they’re going to do?

    I highly recommend the doc “Very Young Girls” which is about some of the girls GEMS has worked with. Heart-breaking and infuriating.

    We should be able to have this conversation AND have ACORN. I mean, really.

  9. A.D. Nix wrote:

    I should add that what’s also getting under my skin is the sense of . . . “Look at what these ACORN degenerates will do to children.” It’s no accident that they went in with this kind of request vs. you know, how to do your taxes if you deal drugs or do under-the-table domestic work.

  10. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    I’ve long been critical of ACORN – but from a left wing perspective.

    With that said, I feel we have to support them here, because this is an attack on the left in general and the African American left in particular.

    This was a setup from start to finish by a couple of racist “gotcha” journalists, in league with the Fox Network and the hardcore racists in the Republican orbit.

    There is a time and a place for the debate on sexwork in general and sexwork by children in particular.

    This is not that time, nor that place.

    This is the time and place to defend ACORN unconditionally from this attack – while reserving the right to take up this matter – and ACORN’s many other contradictions – at a later date.

    Sometimes you have to be coldly strategic about stuff like this.

  11. queerhapa wrote:

    While I agree that trafficking (not just for sex, but all kinds of forced labor) and child prostitution are issues that deserve more attention, talking about them in the context of ACORN is just playing into right-wing hands. ACORN has *nothing* to do with trafficking and child prostitution. This was a set-up, plain and simple, of some foolish employees who happened to work at a national community organization that the right wing has long targeted.

  12. gail wrote:

    @ Gregory: I strongly disagree. My take from what Atlasien is saying is that if we want to work for social justice, our organizations need to operate in accordance with those principles. “Cold strategy” sounds equivalent to “play just as cynically and under-handedly as my opponent but for another side.” If that’s the way to advance social justice, I’m not having it.

    How is it that the “stung” ACORN workers could have seriously entertained the notion that they were legitimately fostering community empowerment by supporting the efforts of someone who said he would engage in child prostitution? CHILD PROSTITUTION!! That’s not a game. That’s a boy or girl being sold by one adult to another adult for the purpose of being raped.

  13. DCBred wrote:

    I think what’s lost in just firing the workers who took the bait is a good teaching opportunity. Those people didn’t view child prostitution as a problem likely because the communities they come from don’t see it as a problem… or just don’t see it. Human trafficking is largely invisible to most people. Fire them, yes, but first teach them something valuable.

  14. Tracey wrote:

    @gail: co-signed
    And I was hesitant to buy the playing along non-sense b/c for one thing child prostitution is not something to joke about and I find it hard to believe that the workers were so bored they had time to entertain people talking about child prostitution even if they “knew” it was a set-up. Also, even if they knew it was joke why would they entertain the notions knowning that people were out to catch them in a scandal and they were already getting tons of scrutiny and under investigation in some areas? Seriously, they knew people were desperate to entrap them and this is how they behaved?
    ACORN needs to be criticized and punished for this big time. As far as I’m concerned, there is not even an excuse for joking around with people who are sitting in your office talking about sex slavery. And if ACORN did the hiring and training of the workers in the first video, they need to re-evaluate their methods and try to figure out what ethical values and concepts of helping the disenfranchised they are teaching. I realize “don’t help ppl bring in child prostitutes who will face the double wammy of being here illegally” is probally considered one of those things you don’t expect, but still, both workers were A-OK with this?
    And I am soooo glad that Jon Stewart skewered them and the mainstream media for not being able to uncover this themselves. I don’t think there is anything that can be said to justify willigness to help cover-up child prostitution, even if it was a set-up. Doesn’t matter, their willigness to help shows a disregard for human welfare. While this particular scenario seems like one only anti-ACORN bounty hunters could devise, a MSM source could have uncovered the same thing even if with a different scenario. Not to mention if these are the kinds of people ACORN hires who knows what other un-ethical means they use.
    All that said, I think they should continue to get federal funding. This is appaling and they should absolutely clean house, but I don’t think a few workers doing horrible and stupid things should destroy the entire organization.

  15. malted_tea wrote:

    This is less about ACORN than it is about pedophilia.

    @Keith. You mentioned “With low income neighborhoods, you are going to deal with this type of exploitation.”

    Thing is, I’ve seen men ogle teen school girls in affluent neighborhoods as many times as I’ve seen it happen anywhere else. And women are not blameless either in what seems to be permissiveness with the more subtle forms of pedophilia.

    It’s a societal issue that we don’t want to talk about or have this need to regulate to “them vs. us.” It is us. You. Me.

    What we allow our kids to see on TV.

    Permissiveness and pedophilia got ACORN in this spot. Not their fault.

    It’s our fault. So, now that we’ve put the blame where it needs to be can we FINALLY address this issue? Our kids need us to do this sooner rather than later.

  16. Joy wrote:

    RE: “And how can we support the good work that ACORN does while still holding them accountable on this issue?”

    I think ACORN, as a responsible organization is already holding itself accountable. See CEO’s message below:
    “As a result of the indefensible action of a handful of our employees, I am, in consultation with ACORN’s Executive Committee, immediately ordering a halt to any new intakes into ACORN’s service programs until completion of an independent review. I have also communicated with ACORN’s independent Advisory Council, and they will assist ACORN in naming an independent auditor and investigator to conduct a thorough review of all of the organizations relevant systems and processes. That reviewer, to be named within 48 hours, will make recommendations directly to me and to the full ACORN Board. We enter this process with a commitment that all recommendations will be implemented.”
    [See full message below]
    http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnewstt_news=22584&tx_ttnewsbackPid=12387&cHash=913db2b19b

    @Gail and Gregory – supporting ACORN is not about supporting child prostitution. ACORN did nothing facilitate prostitution. Yes, it’s very unfortunate and wrong that they did not immediately expel these individuals and report their actions [and see message above that ACORN is taking immediate steps to investigate and remedy this situation], but they in no way gave advice on how to acquire child prostitutes or conduct the business of child prostituion. I think the problem of child prostitutes needs to be addressed through avenues that directly target child prostitutes – perpetrators and victims and others. I don’t see how focusing on ACORN will in any way help these children or punish the perpetrators. Cutting funding from ACORN will not help these children or their families. In fact, keeping ACORN in the public’s eye is focusing the majority of the focus on ACORN and the children on the fringes. I think any journalist half serious about this problem could find plenty of ways to shed light on the real issue.

  17. Katie wrote:

    Wow.
    this is really sad and awful.

  18. butchrebel wrote:

    @Atlasien –

    Thank you for foregrounding this vital and truly heartbreaking problem. Is it accurate to say that the majority of children who are forced into prostitution are children of color? What about the population of women, girls, boys, & men that are forced into prostitution — are the majority of them people of color?

    @Gregory A. Butler
    and
    Everyone else:) —

    Historically, in the U.S.’s anti-racist movements, gender and sexual oppression/sexism — which is inextricably enmeshed in women of color’s experiences of racism and white supremacy — are rendered entirely invisible, entirely ignored and/or marginalized because these issues are 1) *not* deemed important to anti-racism causes or 2) believed to impede the progress of anti-racism causes. This was true of the mid-twentieth century Black Civil Rights Movement, the Black Power Movement and the campaign to enfranchise black men in the post-Civil War era. This remains true of most anti-racism causes/groups, and leftist groups, more generally, today.

    I believe it is the failure to address gender and sexual oppression, sexual violence issues, sexism, genderism/transphobia, heterosexism/homophobia *inside* and *outside* of anti-racist organizations and movements — and leftist organizations and movements, in general — is what impedes the progress of anti-racist movements, and leftist movements more general.

    And sadly, because anti-racist movements tend to be male-dominated and heterosexual dominated and leftist movements tend to be white male dominated and heterosexual dominated — anti-racist/leftist movements privilege the concerns, issues, and problems men of color, white men, white women, and heterosexuals of all races deem most important.

    Which means that the critical importance of the racist far-right wing attack on ACORN is prioritized *while* the gender and sexual oppression/sexism in which some? a few? ACORN workers/officials tacitly support by doling out advice to the beneficiaries and agents of child prostitution goes largely unnoticed and unaddressed.

    Rather than debating the merits on whether to focus on combating the racist assault on ACORN to the exclusion of highlighting the gender/sexual oppression/child prostitution issue, because to do so would hurt the effort to save ACORN from destruction — anti-racists, anti-sexists, and leftists better serve their respective goals by putting their passion, energy, sense of moral values, funds, and intellect into figuring out how to fight *FOR* ACORN while also fighting *FOR* all children, and thus, *AGAINST* the child prostitution industry.

    Because, yes, it is tremendously important and serious that the attack on ACORN has resulted in it’s de-funding — which itself deprives 100s of 1000s of no-income and low-income people, most of them people of color, from a vital resource on which the preservation of their very livelihoods depends (ACORN, for example, has helped 100s of 1000s of people *not* lose their homes to bank foreclosures).

    Because, yes, it is tremendously important that anti-racists, anti-sexists, leftists, and humanitarians everywhere support those who are working to implement policies, run organizations, and engage in activist campaigns that will end child prostitution — because none of us — none of us — would say that we support the rape of children.

    Having said that — I was listening to Democracy Now’s interview of ACORN’s Chief Executive and I learned some interesting/important things. Like, for example — white right wingers dressed as stereotypical caricatures of “pimps” and “prostitutes” visited dozens of ACORN’s offices all across the U.S. These white right wingers were subsequently tossed on their rares or forced to leave by police (called by ACORN’s workers). It was workers in this one office in Brooklyn that was successfully duped.

    Moreover, ACORN subjects all clients to a 10-step review process before offering them help. These folks got passed step one — they got signed up to get reviewed — but *not* by the folks who would actually be reviewing them.

    These facts are important, I think, because they are indicative of ACORN’S larger institutional attitudes, policies, and practices — which do NOT encourage tax evasion and do NOT encourage those who profit from child prostitution to continue their activities and further benefit from those activities by not paying taxes.

    And I appreciated what “Slush” (comment #4) said: “… our fucking chairman of the Treasury didn’t pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes, and he got away with it because he’s a white man. Which doesn’t make it okay for ACORN to help people evade taxes, but makes it pretty racist to launch a giant attack on them over it.”

    It also pisses me off that 1000s and 1000s of upper middle class and upper class people , and most particularly the filthy rich (millionaires and billionaires) — and most of them white — don’t ever have to worry about seeing the inside of a jail cell or losing their job because they engaged in tax evasion much less draw the attention of the U.S.’s national media and lose their funding sources.

    Rich white people get away with that shit everyday. But they aren’t the problem. An organization run by mostly people of color that helps mostly poor people of color — THEY ARE the problem.

    Our government, and it’s bunk ass, white supremacist (so-called) justice system, has some fucked up priorities, man. Not that I didn’t know that.

    I recommend listening to Democracy Now’s interview of ACORN’s Chief Executive here: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/17/acorn_head_bertha_lewis_vows_action“(interview title: “ACORN Head Bertha Lewis Vows Action on Employee Misconduct, But Warns Group Targeted by “Modern-Day McCarthyism”)

  19. Winn wrote:

    @Joy,

    Well said. This “sting” wasn’t motivated by concern for exploited children, and the conversation around it outside of spaces like Racialicious isn’t focused on that issue either. Especially since this was a fictitious “brothel” staffed by fictitious “child prostitutes”. I keep hearing about “tax fraud”, “voter fraud” and “corruption”, but very little about demonstrable real world child victimization. Focusing on a small number of ACORN employees who are not representative of the mission or overall culture of that organization does nothing to help the real, live trafficked and exploited young girls who are working only a few miles from all of us. I heartily second the recommendation of “Very Young Girls”, if you want a crystallization of the huge dichotomy between how young sexually exploited girls of color are treated by law enforcement, courts, families, schools and social service agencies, and the way young white girls in the same situation would be treated by those same entities. Which makes the disingenousness of this Fox-generated “scandal” even more blatant.

  20. elle the elephant wrote:

    co-sign with Gregory A Butler

    There is a time and place to talk about child prostitution this is not it. The issue is a rigtist thug attack against a moderate left-wing organization. We must not steer off course.

  21. maus wrote:

    Exactly, this wasn’t a “sting”, it was a prank that poorly trained and paid people fell for. I don’t see anything wrong with firing them for giving joke answers or responding to these assholes instead of kicking them out of the office, but this isn’t evidence of anything but the depths conservatives will go.

  22. Mena wrote:

    Ugghh. Thank you for covering this story racialicious. I am disappointed in many of the comments here.

    Who cares about the reason this situation came to be. It doesn’t matter if it was done by an obnoxious little teen or a legitimate news organization. The fact is you have more than ONE ACORN organization in more than ONE city willing to give advice to a pimp on traffickng underage girls. How is that not disturbing to some of you? How is that not utterly repulsive? Did someone actually excuse their behavior by saying drugs and prostitution is the norm in low income neighborhoods?

    The idea that if the situation was real and I was that child, so called defenders of the “poor” would look the other way and enable my abuse is disturbing. And more disturbing is that others will look the other way because they see it as an attack by a rival political party. And I would be trafficked, for absolute selfishness. Absolutely disgusting.

    Sometimes it’s hard being black and liberal.

  23. octogalore wrote:

    I agree with Mena. Yes, the sting was motivated by partisanship. Yes, one may disagree strongly with the conservative activists’ politics. Yes, they weren’t actively trying to do anything towards anti-trafficking activism.

    But then, most journalists aren’t either. Because these two are right-wingers, doesn’t mean anything they turn up is necessarily to be dismissed. Whether the journalists were left- or right-wing, they found ACORN workers who, if ever faced with the opportunity to enable child prostitution, tax fraud, or child abuse (one worker talked about disciplining the children), would have done so.

    ACORN has done some important work in education and housing reform, and hopefully after a neutral review and revamp, can continue to do so.

  24. maus wrote:

    “The fact is you have more than ONE ACORN organization in more than ONE city willing to give advice to a pimp on traffickng underage girls. How is that not disturbing to some of you? How is that not utterly repulsive?”

    It wasn’t a pimp, it was a prankster. That makes the entire difference. It’s loathsome, but I’d be actually disturbed if they had camera of people giving advice to actual pimps and child-slavers.

    They should still be fired.

  25. MoneyPenny wrote:

    I am unconcerned with ACORN, indeed, i’ve never even heard of them until today. I don’t think i’ll be looking them up either.

    What I do care about is the criminalization of young girls of color in a country that teaches babies to fuck before they have the opportunity to grow breasts, then punishes them for it. And when little brown (Black, Hispanic, Asian, Anyone not white) girls follow suit (because we are not immune to the images we see, much like anyone else) the results seem so ugly…pregnancy at 14 means something totally different for someone from a low socioeconomic background, STD’s mean something different, These conversations are so fucking redundant!

    WHAT CAN WE DO?

    Why are little girls punished when they’re picked up for prostitution, why are the pimps let off, why are young girls sexualized so early, why isn’t sex ed taught the way it should be in the south, so many ugly ugly things we could worry about. This is what’s important, these things need to change.

    There is no point to us being fierce and intelligent and aware if we’re sitting around jerking each other off with our information and not making anything happen.

    @A.D. Nix Your comment was beautiful, that film broke my heart scene for scene, GEMS is an honorable organization.

  26. DesertRose wrote:

    I agree that the employees of ACORN who gave business advice to people posing as pimps for child prostitutes deserve extremely severe punishment. Child prostitutes are rape victims, pure and simple, and many of them have been sexually abused before being forced into prostitution. These children and adolescents do not deserve punishment; they deserve a safe place where they can receive healthful food, comfortable shelter, well-made clothing appropriate for the weather, psychological counseling to recover from the massive amount of trauma of which they’ve been victims, and education to help them make better lives for themselves.

    The people who engage in, encourage, aid, abet, or in anyway assist in the sexual exploitation and rape of children (which is the reality of child prostitution) deserve the severest punishment imaginable.

    I am not at all surprised to read that children and adolescents of color are more likely to be victimized in this horrific fashion, nor am I particularly surprised to read that Atlanta is the child prostitution (rape) capital of the US. After all, was it not in Atlanta between 1979-1981 that Wayne Williams sexually assaulted and killed over 20 young African Americans (mostly males, mostly children and adolescents, but a few female victims and a few young adults) and the police didn’t start seriously trying to solve the series of murders until 13 months had passed since the first young person’s death?

    I’m not hating on Atlanta. I’ve visited the city and area many times as I have family in the area; Atlanta and its suburbs have a lot of good qualities, but the police organizations in the area do NOT have a good track record when it comes to dealing with crimes against young people of color.

  27. Bagelsan wrote:

    Cosign Mena and octogalore. I’ve heard the “oh, they were just joking!” defense but I saw some of the clips and I just don’t buy it. Those workers didn’t look or sound like they were joking, they sounded like they had no problem giving this advice (whether or not it would have been particularly useful advice to a real pimp/trafficker doesn’t really affect my opinion.) I’m not going to support people like that, even if the right wing is really totally, like, super-mean and stuff. Acorn shouldn’t lose funding –that hurts the wrong people too– but the organization needs more than just a smack on the wrist.

  28. nezua wrote:

    Ugh. A stew of things going on…Good for the scrutiny on this issue within any organization. All exploitation of these kinds needs to be rooted out on all levels.

    But the fact of how it was brought to attention, this nasty trick…and that, too, matters because of those who did it and why. And see how it is being used in some quarters, those quarters, by those who would keep so many imbalances in place and who support expoloitation on a regular basis and with no shame…its a perverse sort of attack they’ve wrought. It’s slick, isn’t it? It makes your chest burn.

  29. factcheckme wrote:

    “But I’m not a right-winger, and I’m angry too, not about my tax money, but about a cultural habit spread through all levels of American society that includes enabling victimizers and rapists.”

    THIS. thank you. this is exactly whats wrong with ACORN, the commenters on this thread, and american culture altogether. we are a rape-culture, and not surprisingly we also have a big old problem with human trafficking. to enable “vicitmizers and rapists” just because they are poor and/or black is unforgiveable. child rape and human trafficking are wrong. that they are also illegal is almost beside the point.

  30. Jess wrote:

    I am of many minds about this.

    At one point, it seems to me that the employees involved are thinking ’shit, this guy is asking about illegal stuff, but we’re going to soldier on anyway.’ Maybe they were thinking go through the motions with this dude and call the cops after, I don’t know. Has anyone interviewed the people who took the bait? Asked them what they were thinking?

    Other than that, it just shows that ACORN isn’t immune to hiring idiots. We like to make fun of right wingers for a lack of self-awareness, but I’ve seen it on the left end too and maybe it’s about time we all got hit over the head with it.

    I don’t think, absent any evidence to the contrary, that the people in the video were thinking “Well, it’s not white girls, so prostituting them is ok.” I do think that if they weer told not to judge sex workers or look like they were ratting anybody out then that would leave you in a bit of a dilemma. (Or trilemma, perhaps).

    C’mon, how many of you would have kicked the guy out and called the cops? Or would you have said “Well, they won’t treat the young kids involved right, so we can’t call the law.”

    Like I said, ACORN isn’t immune to hiring stupid people. Too bad it happened at this juncture but that’s politics.

    Will this be used in all sorts of horrific ways? Yep.

    How to fight it? I’m not sure entirely, but one thing is to make sure you don’t repeat the accusation whilst refuting it — that NEVER works. It just doesn’t. People are irrational that way. I know that doesn’t always sit well with people who value rational thinking but that isn’t the way the world is, sorry. The world is nasty and brutish, not rational. And politics is a goddamned knife fight.

  31. 7thangel wrote:

    a little more insight
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/20/784620/-OKeefe-said-he-went-after-ACORN-because-it-registers-minorities-likely-to-vote-against-Republicans

    the funny thing is most people claim to want to get all the info and know how things are edited and framed to skew peoples views and yet people still fall for it without any critical thinking.

    the amount of people that think it should have been obvious because the guy was dressed like bishop don juan didn’t recognize that not only did he not dress like that in the actual videos that show them actually entering the office but in one transcript he doesn’t label himself a pimp but claims he might want to get into it.

    we know that the vids were edited, we know they had an agenda, we know the lengths the far right will go and yet, people have taken this at face value and despite the people involved caught in lies, the kneejerk reaction is unsettling. find out first and then make an assessment.

    and how this translates to all 400 000 employees is beyond the pale.

  32. octogalore wrote:

    @7thangel, the Daily Kos writeup, while well-meant, is based on (1) ad homs; (2) a revelation that in previous video work, O’Keefe cherry-picked clips (which is irrelevant here as he’s released the transcripts); (3) he got help from the publisher, Breitbart. What journalist doesn’t get help from publishers?

    I am not sure why a profound disagreement with the politics of the journalist renders any first-hand, judge-for-yourself info (note: nobody’s disputing the transcripts’ accuracy) not worth looking at.

  33. DCBred wrote:

    @factcheckme

    Way to generalize about several groups of people, including the commenters–without actually reading the comments. Actually, racialicious commenters are probably more aware of issues of human trafficking, rape culture, exploitation, etc. than most people. Let’s talk when you bring yourself down from your high horse.

  34. 7thangel wrote:

    actually octoglore, it goes beyond that.

    first we now know due to two transcripts that breitbart/o’keefe/giles lied and omitted the words of a few workers. i.e. when one stated that she wanted nothing to do with prostitution on camera but omitted. that wasn’t reported until 1 report from cnn and hasn’t been mentioned again.
    another issue barely reported was the man who contacted his law enforcement relative about the smuggling who in turn contacted the fbi.

    if you mention the story to not even your average person but to your informed type, what is the narrative they come up with? and how close to the actual truth, gleaned not just from the vids with critical eyes paying attention, but from the transcripts, the lies during and after, the motives , and the aftermath?

  35. octogalore wrote:

    7thangel, I saw both those exculpatory pieces of info and found them interesting but not really compelling in light of everything else said and done, or not done, by those individuals. I haven’t done exhaustive research on the Acorn events and read about 50% liberal and 50% conservative publications, so I imagine others have similar access to these exculpatory pieces of info as well, and are free to form their own conclusions.

    Neither the left nor the right wing is ignorant of the tool of spinning. Most journalism involves some spin. That’s why, for me, reading a wide variety of perspectives is useful. But I don’t think the positioning here is anything out of the ordinary.