Why WE Love to Hate Kanye (Black Middle Class Blues)

By Guest Contributor Dumi Lewis, originally published at Uptown Notes

On Sunday night, Kanye West once again burst into the limelight with his interruption of Taylor Swift’s acceptance speech at MTV’s video music awards. His interruption and hyperbolic declaration of Beyonce’s video as the best of the decade caused the twitterverse, facebook, and likely nights and weekends minutes to explode. The cries of  “he’s so”:  foul, without class, self-centered, ______ (fill in your blank) rang out. These cries are the same ones that we’ve all made about West in the past. Despite these cries, somehow he remains at the center of the music universe and Black America and almost universally recognized as spoiled. I began to think, “how can a man that is so disliked remain in that position?”  Well, I think the reason he remains is that he reflects a perfectly spoiled Black middle class identity. That’s right, you can’t disavow Kanye anymore than you can disavow yourself or the folks you went to school with or your fellow readers of this blog.

In a strange way, Kanye represents the dreams of many from the suburban and urban fringe who grew up listening to Hip-Hop but never spent a night in the South Bronx or stepped over crack viles on their daily path to the schoolhouse. Instead, West flaunts his emergent middle class style, penchant for the preppy, and his difference as a positive identity in a hyper-masculine performatively hood-centric rap industry. Whether it’s a glow in the dark or a shag, he uses his late bloomer status to demand all the attention that he thinks he deserves, but was not afforded earlier in his life. Whether he’s talking about his hard times when he moved North when he had to put his Ikea bed together “by himself” or repudiation of formal education/reading, his arrogance publicly displays the markings at a child who had enough, but not all he wanted. Now Kanye is out to have it all and on his own terms. Kanye’s roots capture the new Black middle class, his late mother Donda West, held a PhD and was a college professor and his father, who was non-custodial, is a photojournalist. I’m always amused and repulsed at watching West’s antics, much like watching teen angst … kind of with “contempt and pity”. West insists that he and comrades are being overlooked and rendered invisible within the music world, despite their contributions. Never mind that Kanye and his imagined damsel in distress Beyonce, are hyper-visible. His outbursts and conversations about his class, race, and sexuality could be pulled straight from a Beverly Tatum book. For so long, the Black middle class has been at the margins of our discourse of Blackness and America at large, Kanye wants to set the record straight (pun intended) though in classic fashion,  he’ll start with making himself known.

After his outburst, West apologized via his blog (mind you in all capitals, which was later revised) which resulted in so many hits his site was temporarily shut down. The blog, a arguably middle class tech tool, allowed him to reach out to his fans and foes who wanted to know what the outspoken artist had to say about his outspokenness. The blog, when not home to apologies, is the locale of conspicuous consumption and the flaunting of extravagant cars, shoes, design projects and other aesthetic porn. The blog itself has a huge following because we too understand West’s concern for the material and the exclusive but dually want some form of legitimacy among the larger Black population. Whether blogging, publicly guzzling Hennessey or battling paparazzi Kanye represents what many feel and desire, but simple don’t enact. His brash mockery of the traditional education route, which is a luxury of having highly educated parents, allows us “college kids” to get out of out angst of following the straight and narrow. His outbursts about his greatness, which are laden with overtones of self-doubt, remind us that we too are something special even if we aren’t the rose that grew from concrete. Kanye West is not a person, he is a verb and a metaphor for the lives of the clamoring Black middle class. I feel like the day that we’re ready to deal with our own issues around race, class, and identity will be the same day we’re ready to tell Kanye “ENOUGH!” and mean it. Until then, I’ll expect more tweets, more album sales, and more tragic outbursts that result from a life of living betwixt and between the color and class lines.

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Comments

  1. DivergentDana wrote:

    Aargh! I’ve wondered on and off if his behavior could be explained as some kind of compensatory measure for not having the more stereotypical rapper’s background. Traditionally, rappers with middle-class origins have went through pains to downplay/conceal them and in light of this, it’s not shocking that he would have identity issues trying to carve a viable path out for himself.

  2. atlasien wrote:

    Left this comment on the other Kanye thread but it’s probably much better off on this thread… I just read a blogger who convincingly views this episode through the lens of adult ADD/ADHD. It sounds like he does need to grow up… and get therapy! I mean, he’s hit 30 already, but celebrity status is a powerful infantilizing force.

  3. Chris wrote:

    So we are supposed to dismiss someone based solely on their race and class identity?

    So the next time my friend who is a person who’s black and has a middle class identity and has a “Kanye”.

    I as a white upper class man is supposed to say, “Enough!” and invalidate his experience? I feel like practicing tolerance with someone who needs to explore and talk more about their own identity makes more sense. And how does this play into power dynamics?

    Could someone clarify for me, I feel like I’m missing something.

  4. CEdwards wrote:

    OK. Am I the only one that can’t seem to understand where race or racism was involved in this?

    Idiot Kayne –which he was, it was a poor move and definitely what I like to call a post -Hennessey moment — only said Beyonce had the best video, but not sure how that automatically rings “Kayne West hates White people”.

    I’ve been reading a lot of the posts on various sites after the incident and the level of vehement racism — towards Kayne and black people in general — it astounding.

    If anyone can show me the racist portion of his actions, please do so.

  5. Amused0472 wrote:

    I’ve never bought a Kanye West album and don’t intend to and that’s probably a reflection of my age rather than a reflection on his music or talent. But I’m not about to give him a pass to act out simply because his voice reflects an underrepresented segment of the black community. In fact, his middle class background is the very reason he needs to act with some class and home training. There are a lot of young people who look up to him and lord help us if we have a whole generation of bratty pseudo adults running around. There’s something very tasteless about an overgrown sense of entitlement–to do what you want no matter who you hurt or offend in the process. In this day and age, I think it’s more important to focus on how we can help each other and show compassion. Kanye would serve himself better if he used his celebrity to serve others rather than campaigning for who has the best video.

  6. n wrote:

    I just think he’s spoiled and has poor impulse control. And perhaps he is trying to speak on perceived racial slights.

  7. Wendi Muse wrote:

    “Kanye West is not a person, he is a verb and a metaphor for the lives of the clamoring Black middle class. I feel like the day that we’re ready to deal with our own issues around race, class, and identity will be the same day we’re ready to tell Kanye “ENOUGH!” and mean it.”

    um, sorry, but no.

    i get your point about kanye being a typical middle class rapper trying to look hard or do things to call attention to himself bc he doesn’t have the violent or impoverished upbringing as some of the others. but i don’t see him as some sort of metaphor for the black middle class. if anything, both he and diddy (whose upbringing is arguably similar) have always disgusted me with their shameless arrogance and often contradictory message. i’m black and college educated, but i don’t feel the need to act like someone i am not and don’t create excuses for my privilege. i recognize it and use it to my advantage to later benefit those of the community who have not had the same chances i had. i don’t, however, use it to act a fool.

    people would buy kanye’s music with or without the outbursts…so i am losing the connection here as to what is has to do with black middle class guilt. i do not identify with kanye west and identify with him even less when he acts out like a spoiled brat.

  8. T. Lynn Lloyd wrote:

    Ok, but…

    If Kanye is to be read specifically in the context of Black middle-class angst, then his outburst would have been targeted at the BET Awards – or another event that celebrates the “rose from concrete” rap star mythology – where Kanye’s background is specifically called into question. Rather, his continued self-centeredness was unleashed during the first presentation at the MTV Awards, when the viewing audience is perhaps the greatest.

    While your interpretation of his behavior is complex and intellectual, Kanye is still ridiculous and inappropriate. His PhD mother is rolling in her grave as we speak because she didn’t raise her son to act a fool like that on international television.

    This is different than the “George Bush hates Black people” incident post-Katrina, where Kanye again called inappropriate attention to himself. Many of us would have said the same had we been given an open mic and TV coverage. However, we’re all annoyed and embarrassed, not just Black people, because only a rampant egomaniac would interrupt someone else’s moment for no reason other than to call attention to oneself. Its ridiculous, and enough, already.

    Then again, maybe the whole thing was staged by MTV so people would watch the remaining telecasts and advertiser dollars would go up. In which case, we’re all ridiculous.

  9. aimerrouge wrote:

    How many times must it be stated African Americans are not monolithic, and can not be reduced to one-size-fits all metaphor.

  10. gatamala wrote:

    I wouldn’t call him a metaphor, just a by-product. Kanye eschewed BMC values that say continue formal education. As a black male he is lumped into a demographic that is misrepresented by and plagued by a twisted hypermasculinity. To some extent he has tried to redefine or even shun that. I give him the most credit for that.

    But….that night Kanye was just a drunk who squeezed Amber’s ass (he got his “mutt” and “blond dyke”) for the camera and made a scene. Not a symbol, not an iconoclast. Just his typical egomaniac self in a world that WON’T LET HIM BE GREAT.

    I don’t even listen to his music, but laugh heartily at his fuckery.

  11. maus wrote:

    I think he’s snotty but a fair businessman, or at least showman, just like Puff Daddy. I don’t like the front, but they found a demographic that does, and stuck with the shtick. I don’t know how much of the persona reflects on them directly, but I have no problem being annoyed with them (aside from the “george bush hates black people” comment, which was much more from the heart.)

  12. Marcella White Campbell wrote:

    I don’t tolerate Kanye West because I’m not ready to deal with my issues over race and class. I follow Kanye West with great interest BECAUSE he is from my race and class.

    My mother was a teacher, my father was “non-custodial,” and I, too, am the product of a uniquely Black American middle-class upbringing, with cousins who were drug addicts and cousins who were teachers and paralegals. I always knew the choice was to either join the middle class or sink into the underclass. Kanye West did neither.

    I identify with Kanye West because he loudly, publicly, and self-consciously represents that tension, the survivor’s guilt and conspicuous consumption, the feeling of not fitting in anywhere.

    Unlike me, he isn’t bothering to try to fit in or duck his head.

    I smile and shake my head at his exploits, but they don’t bother me. It’s like Kanye is couture and I’m ready-to-wear — he’s the extreme expression of a tension I feel every day.

  13. n wrote:

    Kanye seems to see himself as the champion of those who are forgotten and neglected. And if he were indeed speaking for those who have no voice and to those who matter, it would be admirable.

    But I see neither Kanye not Beyonce as voiceless victims, and the cause did not warrant ruining Taylor Swift’s moment.

    I’m perfectly willing to believe he did NOT do it to get attention for himself, but that he did truly believe Beyonce was robbed and that he was the one who was going to be her champion and advocate since apparently no one ELSE was going to speak out.

    I think its less arrogance in the LOOK AT ME sense, but arrogance in the belief that only he knows who deserves what and that his opinions are what matters regardless of what the voters or judges or award committees may think. Delusional or spoiled and self centered or all of the above.
    I think he was rude, but that his rudeness isnt the core issue, the issue is his lack of any perspective other than his own. He probably did not see the rudeness because he may have seriously sincerely felt he was being a hero and addressing injustice, which IS a good thing.

    “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

    As far as race? Well, I think most black men in America are prickly and on guard and one who is privileged may be more “paranoid” because they are out in the World more and subject to more public scrutiny and attacks than those sitting quietly at home with their “own kind”. AND because they are in a world populated with powerful white folk and are directly involved with those who make decisions. We may suspect people are racist, but when you see the record execs and how they make decisions, see all the twitter posts and news articles and stuff about you and your peers and all the racism, it may make you more sensitive to perceived slights.

    MAYBE his beef was legit. But I think his perspective was off, IF the beef were legit, this was not a situation that required this sort of reaction.

  14. Evan wrote:

    @CE Edwards…

    Why does race matter here? I will give a hypothetical situation. Let’s turn the clock back to the year 2000. Beyonce Knowles would have been Taylor Swift’s age of today–19 years old. Let’s say Beyonce wins the best video award at the MTV awards show. As Beyonce begins her acceptance speech, Carson Daly comes over and grabs the mike from her hands. Carson Daly shouts to the audience that N’Sync should have won the best video award. He gives the mike back to a stunned Beyonce and runs off stage.

    Almost immediately, charges of racism would flood the TV and internet media. Carson Daly (white guy) gives props to N’Sync (all white boy band) while a Beyonce (a young black singer) is dissed in front of the audience and millions of TV viewers. Racialicious commentators would have a field day with this episode.

    Carson Daly would be attacked as a racist, first. Then the “douchebag”, “jackass” and “idiot” labels would follow later. But the “R” word would stick with Mr. Daly. When someone from another race offends a person of my race…I view the situation through a racial lens. When someone from my race offends a person of another race…I attribute the problem as bad behavior. This is just my immediate reaction. Kayne West is labeled everything BUT as a racist. Is Kayne West a true racist? I lean towards yes. But do I know Kayne West personally to make such a pronouncement? No. I could be wrong here.

    Same thing with “YOU LIE” Congressman Joe Wilson. He’s called out as a racist because of his behavior during President Obama’s joint-session speech. The Congressional Black Caucus seem to think that Wilson’s reaction had racist undertones. But of course, the majority of white people (including me) think Wilson was displaying bad behavior only. White conservatives believe that Wilson should owe no apology.

    Is Joe Wilson a racist? Probably. But I could be wrong here too. Bad social behavior and racism go well together though. West and Wilson gave half-assed public apologies for their behavior. If you called them racist, they would vehemently deny that they had any racist intent with their behavior. But actions speak louder than words. The actions tell a better story.

    Would Kayne West be outraged if Beyonce lost to another African-American artist?

    Would Joe Wilson shout “YOU LIE” if President George W. Bush said the same words as Obama while speaking at the podium?

    Is it just bad behavior or something more?

  15. t. allen-mercado wrote:

    As the mother of an middle class, apiring rapper from the burbs, I totally get the point you make about the root of Sir West’s antics. But as an adult, I would think he’d have garnered a better handle on controlling his emotions.

    The issue for me is two-fold, I think the media frenzy encourages this kind of behavior, Kanye is not a concert pianist, he is a rapper-to some extent there is an image to uphold, and since he is unwilling to wrinkle his clothig engaging in full on fisticuffs, he takes his histrionics to the stage. The other part is in many ways this kind of behavior is rap music advertising…talented but foolishness-lacking artists like Talib Kweli, Common and Mos Def will never rise to Kanye level infamy. In that respect maybe race does play a part…is hip hop the new shuck and jive…a modern minstrel show? I don’t know.

  16. Squidfly wrote:

    He’s only doing, what’s expected at a Music awards ceremony…isn’t that what people are hoping for, the unscripted (if it was unscripted).
    Popular music, is going through, it’s banal, boring, uninspired, and somewhat conservative period.
    Kanye jumping onstage, is another big Yawn!
    When did musicians become so, run of the mill, and shocked, by this behavior.
    What was shocking, was Miles Davis, turning his back on his audience, wearing tight, glitter, bell bottoms, platform shoes, playing his trumpet through a wa wa…the critics and fans were aghast. Sid Vicious, singing “My Way” Or Diana Ross, squeezing, Lil Kim’s, exposed tit, now that’s, inspired and unscripted.
    If we’re going talk about the unscripted, let’s talk about, the unscripted, not the expected.
    The Housewives of Atlanta, has more Black middle class angst, than Kanye W.

  17. Amanda wrote:

    “Hennessy-ing” should be the new verb with the negative connotation that you ascribe to this. Kanye was rewarded with the increased the attention he craves when he lashed out at Bush (and I would argue that was not entirely out of line – at least it was about something important). So his next attempt at catapulting himself into headlines was drunkenly aimed at Taylor what’s her name. Ick.

    It was a bad move for someone of any class or race and particularly ill-timed with Serena’s outburst – when all eyes are on the “civility” levels of black people.

    And now it’s all outta hand — Media is perpetuating this awful image of a selfish black imp grabbing the mic from the delicate hands of a little snowflake country singer.

    And it’s extremely unfortunate that now he’s got Obama hung up on it.

    Kanye was living the dream of the black middle class, maybe, but now he’s helping to unleash our nightmare.

  18. SeattleSlim wrote:

    I’m tracking on most points, but the correlation between him and black middle class is what I disagree with.

    I know plenty of black middle class folks, and if anything, they are the opposite of Kanye.

    Several years ago, I read Cora Daniels’ “GhettoNation” where she illustrated that even the most affluent black kids going to the best schools were still failing terribly. The explanation was that ignorance sees no class. Brandy can be just as “ghetto ” as NayNay.

    Kanye may have had it all growing up, but it is clear that he missed something in his upbringing and perhaps that was validation.
    He truly needs counseling.

    I’ve never really liked the guy, some of his songs are good, but I can’t stomach a whole cd. I’m just not that into him.

    Kanye is like “blipster lite.’” He’s “avant garde negritude” for beginners. That’s why people buy his albums. He’s odd, but doesn’t really challenge the listener that much. He’s just as ignorant as any other rapper, his schtick is just different. I recognize him for what he is and no amount of “candy coating” will change that for me.

  19. Fiqah wrote:

    Not a big fan of Kanye or his shenanigans (”George Bush does not care about Black people” aside…’cause that was beautiful), but I think this article made a lot of great points points about the Black middle class’s affinity for him. I liked it a lot.

    SIGH. That photo.Has anything good ever come from literally nursing a bottle of Henny all night?

  20. Jennifer wrote:

    I like where you are going, but I would argue that Kanye is both representative of the Black middle class in that he is conscious of race, but he’s also in a way representative of just plain middle class kids. I want to say racelessness, but that wouldn’t be accurate. What he did, though, isn’t unlike in the old days when rockers first swore on the mic at awards shows. That was appalling back then, but the point is that inappropriate outbursts aren’t new and I think Kanye represents an era of acting a fool (and people’s reaction to the foolery) being cross cultural.

  21. Kaonashi wrote:

    OMG. Stop. Just stop. Enough with the “Oh noes! He was raised MIDDLE CLASS and he’s SPOILED AS SHIT!” Honestly, how is blaming this on class different from assholes saying “Oh, Black people just act that way?”

    This is someone who has poor impulse control (and probably some other underlining issues) who had a little bit too much to drink on the night in question. Add in the fact that he’s probably still grieving his mother’s death and having yes-men instead of real friends in the mix and you have a recipe for full-on attention-whoring and crazy. His class, how he was raised, where he was raised has nothing to do with it.

    People like Kanye don’t think; they just DO, which works well in some arenas and horribly in others. He probably thought that “everyone would get the joke” when he hopped on the stage and said that Beyonce deserved that award but the end result was that he publically humiliated someone.

    The saddest part of all of this is that he probably “really didn’t get it” until he saw the consequences for his actions (nasty tweets, DJs putting him in “time out”, having Jay Leno ask him did he think that his mother would be proud of his behavior, etc).

  22. Asada wrote:

    Kanye is simply spoiled. Nothing to study, emulate or pay attention to. He needs to be banned from award ceremonies and left to his own devices.

  23. Sire' wrote:

    Bottom-line: Kanye uses the wrong platform to express his otherwise credible opinion of the evermore present black oppression. His words would be better felt if he chose the proper forum. So as he always gets us to do, his actions spoke louder than his words.

  24. Adrienne wrote:

    I’m waiting on somebody to just say “Kanye represents the Black man run amok in fame, wealth and access to anything he wants”

    Unless of course you’re talking about the inspiration behind Michael Jackson’s Bad, a prep school student from the ghetto who was Black who tried to prove he was bad.

    My sister and I have gone to private schools with Black boys who tried to prove how hard they were.

    Kayne was loud and wrong. I’m glad he called the girl and apologized for his rudeness. I hope he really does reflect on his actions.

    I too would think he had ADHD if he didn’t have a bottle of Hennessey in his hand and still acted a fool that night.

  25. gatamala wrote:

    SIGH. That photo.Has anything good ever come from literally nursing a bottle of Henny all night?

    The choke hold he has on that neck is saying, “Imma start some shit tonight”. I bet Amber had to roll him face down and put a bucket under his head that night.

    People do need to stop with the racist pearl-clutching. He is really just acting like a rock star.

  26. Scribe wrote:

    It’s been three days, and seriously, all of this over one person? And a celebrity at that. Who cares? Kanye West doesn’t reflect who I am as a person or the black middle class for that matter. Blacks in middle class go through disappointments as well as others. Remember we live in a country where black people have to work twice as hard to get somewhere even it does mean you’re rich. And for the few rich black people, they must be on their best behavior to set an example.

    This latest Taylor Swift drama has stirred up more racism and has so many people walking on eggshells its ridiculous. Whether Kanye has a problem (the man lost his mother not too long ago for crying out loud), America is in serious denial when it comes to race. I’m more worried about our president’s safety over these fools wishing and praying for the man’s death, and our young people getting beat up in the streets over this man simply winning. Has anyone caught the story on the white man beating the black woman up in front of her 7-year-old daughter in front of the Cracker Barrel?

    Spoiled middle class blacks are the least of my worries, because I simply put the ones like that on ignore. They don’t affect me as much as this racism does.

  27. risingsun wrote:

    Most art is subversive of mainstream discourse. I think you can relegate Kanye’s untimely outburst to the activist in him. If you ever notice most of his outbursts has to do with unfairness when it comes to race in and out of the artistic arena.

  28. Joy wrote:

    Kanye is just too much and out of control – I think that was the consensus before this incident. The fact that he lost his mother somewhat recently, probably has a poor support system, is a celebrity, [that Hennessy bottle], and has always been out of control probably has waaay more to do with this incident then him being black or him being middle class.

    @Scribe – Yes, I just saw that Crackerbarrel story – craziness.

  29. Tayor Swift Fans wrote:

    Kanye has always been a jackass. He stole the show from Madonna’s speech, as tribute, the performances and the winners. We only hear about him.

  30. prettypithy wrote:

    Am I the only one who remembers the ODB jumping on stage at the Grammys? Sure, we had come to expect lunacy from the ODB but I don’t remember it being this big a deal. I certainly don’t remember the ODB tearing up and begging forgiveness on Leno. I’m not saying either the ODB or Kanye was right, I’m just surprised by the intensity of the media backlash given that we have already dealt with this exact scenario at a higher stakes award show. Getting hyped up over this would make about as much sense as losing our minds if Rihanna had a “wardrobe malfunction” at Superbowl 2010. Been there, done that–where’s the shock value?

  31. bertie wrote:

    This reminds me of the Chappelle stick about why blacks like chicken. Maybe as a middle class black male, I just like the beats, just like I assume the white/asian./latin middle/lower/upper class fans do.

    I really don’t relate Kanye at all on a personal level despite our class unity. My parents are married, his our divorced, I graduated college, he dropped out, he is peers with Jay-Z, I’m peers with Jay in IT. But I like his music despite his asshole nature. Just like I enjoy Russel Crow movies, despite his assholic demeanor.

    Just like I don’t think Kanye is a reflection of all black folks, I don’t think he is a reflection of middle class blacks

  32. mute wrote:

    I’m with Wendi and Kaonashi. Expanding the behavior of this one obnoxious individual and calling it representative of some condition of the black middle class just seems like a reach to me.

    @prettypithy in #30:I”m not familiar with the Grammy moment you’re speaking of so, this is just a guess, but I think ODB was more likable, lovable. ? And maybe because of his persona people never really expected him to have much decorum in the first place?

  33. MissNee wrote:

    @ Evan

    I bet top dollar that Joe Wilson is as racist as they come and his “YOU LIE” totally comes from that place.

    Anyone that thinks strom thurmond is one of americas national hereos is probably a racist.

  34. Fiqah wrote:

    @gatamala: That’s hilarious. I know I say this all the time. But. You…complete ME. ::: sniffles :::

  35. Adrienne wrote:

    Prettypithy,

    I remember ODB’s antics. Many people chaulked it up to his being a drug addict and crazy (and underprivileged…remember when he and his family were on MTV riding a limo to pick up their food stamps?). Kayne is seen as privileged and obnoxious. Thats the difference. There always will be standards and expectations for who can act in what way and who has the right to be forgiven and how quickly they may be forgiven that has to do with one’s perceived status. Serena Williams outburst is a good example, as she’s not the only tennis player to recently have an outburst on the court. But she pissed off more folks with her outburst and got more publicity for it.

  36. nico wrote:

    well, isn’t this whole exaggerated mainstream black culture (kanye amongst others is propagating) based on a racial complex?! I mean that’s where all the bling bling comes right?

    I don’t thing the act was racial in itself , though and I don’t agree on the whole black-american- middle-class-dude generalisation.

    Why people still like him? Some might think he’s speaking out what everyone else is thinking, there are always these guys who will make THAT they’re calling to trying still their hunger for influence and fame.
    But let’s face it even those sitting at the VMA’s claiming to be alternative aren’t alternative. And Beyonce’s video wasn’t the best of the decade.

    I mean there are people out there making videos they don’t even know about.
    If it was really about the vidoes, why wasn’t Roisin Murphy’s “Let Me Know” nominated… like duuuuuh!

  37. chicagorose wrote:

    Marcella White Campbell’s response in reply twelve was lyrical. Can relate to every single bit of that. I socially came from a middle to upper middle class background but economically my parents were strugglers. I spent half my childhood in one kind of neighborhood and the other half in another. And it was a surreal experience.

    “In a strange way, Kanye represents the dreams of many from the suburban and urban fringe who grew up listening to Hip-Hop but never spent a night in the South Bronx or stepped over crack viles on their daily path to the schoolhouse.”

    I have walked on broken glass on my way to school, past abandoned buildings, I know what gunshot through the window is like, hearing gunplay late at night, watching businesses close shop after generations. I’ve known so-called hoodlums gangsters and hustlers. And not a damned one of them ever acted *ghetto*. As hip-hop rose, matured and evolved/devolved into strictly the gangsta narrative, I witnessed a ton of black middle class youth my age play act at *keeping it real*. And it angered me. It still angers me. Because I feel like a half-truth got promoted and kept afloat that resembles nothing I ever saw or knew. My brother went to college while living *in the hood*. And no one ever looked down on him for it, or tried to drag him into the life. As far as they were concerned, him having a diploma WAS game, as much or more so as selling rocks.

    So yes, I do think there is something to the article, but don’t believe it was adequately expressed. The *state* of the black community gets pinned on a certain class segment. But from what I’ve seen, it’s been the middle classes that have glorified certain aspects of that state, warping it into cartoonish stereotypes that get pandered to by the industry. RHWOA is a perfect example. Every behavior exhibited on that show gets attributed to lower incomed people. Which is why it makes my skin crawl.

    Kanye doesn’t piss me off. The hypocrisy of people being as pissed off as they are with him pisses me off. I can think of at least one worse FUBAR moment in the annals of Black Folk Actin’ Ignant (BET Awards 2009 – if I could scrub what I’ve read about it from my mind I would), but because Kanye’s conduct happened on the mainstream world stage suddenly you can hear teeth suck from 6 states away.

    (And I’m not feeling the need of others in this forum to distance themselves from Kanye’s behavior with descriptors of how they are different. Really, do I care if your parents didn’t divorce? That is a timewarped judgment if ever I read one. One that seriously had the potential to invite being ostracized on top of being downgraded economically. Many families have and still do fall from middle class status behind divorce. Just stop. Any moment now someone’s going to break out their full pedigree. )

  38. sofie wrote:

    I think kanye has narcissistic personality disorder. he pulled a very similar stunt at the 2006 european vmas (which was a year before his mother’s death so i dont think grief-induced drinking would be a good explanation for this one) when he himself didnt win an award. constantly proclaiming yourself a genius and shouting charges of racism when you feel you’re not revered enough is hardly enlightened activism. is he not an adult man who could choose the appropriate time and place to voice his opinion that beyonce’s not winning was unfair? also, she probably didnt win because the vma people wanted to give her a more significant award and give a new artist kudos at the same time. plus who takes the vmas seriously? shouldnt a performer whos been around for a while realize that its 90% BS? thats why i think he just wanted attention, to remind all of us that if King-voice-of-a-generation feels like stealing the mic from a little kid to drunkenly shout his opinion, hes gonna do it. and he asked taylor swift why she doesnt read his blog and thus missed his apology– narcissism!

  39. Mindy wrote:

    I will be the first to admit, my mom’s ringtone on my phone is “Hey Mama.”

    I will also be the first to admit Kanye’s attitude is not something I admire. I don’t care to speculate on his pedigree and background being responsible for his insecurities and all this and that… Plenty of people from plenty of different backgrounds know how to behave themselves in public because when it’s all said and done, we choose how we act every moment of every day.

    At the same time, it’s just an awards show. Why do we even care who is interrupting who?

    As a middle-class, second-generation college educated black, I will listen to Kanye for the same reasons I listen to any other musician; a good rhyme over a great beat. Leave his poor personality out of it.

    (Note, the same does not apply for Vick who was guilty of a crime a bit more serious than disrupting an acceptance speech.)

  40. Eileen wrote:

    I don’t pay a lot of attention to Kanye except when he does something outrageous, but it seems to me that his outbursts are deeply felt emotional moments, and the are not necessarily misdirected. Perhaps, as others have said, he has poor impulse control or too much Hennessey, or maybe he simply has the celebrity’s disease of thinking that everyone is interested in what he thinks.

    But what he says (the few times I’ve been paying attention) makes sense. Yes, George Bush doesn’t care about black people. Yes, Beyonce’s video was better than Taylor’s — that’s why she won the top award.

    Maybe he has said other things that I haven’t been paying attention to, and there’s a lot to be said for impulse control, especially if the award ceremony isn’t over yet.

    Maybe his friends could help him with this. Is this naive of me? A man with integrity who’s doing too much Hennessey is still a man of integrity.

  41. VEe wrote:

    ” . . . calling it representative of some condition of the black middle class just seems like a reach to me. ”
    – Ditto.

    ^DivergentDana,
    “Traditionally, rappers with middle-class origins have went through pains to downplay/conceal them and in light of this, it’s not shocking that he would have identity issues trying to carve a viable path out for himself.”
    Nah . . . no.
    De La Soul, Public Enemy, Will Smith, even Run-DMC* and a number of other NEVER tried to front like they were from the projects.

    *there’s more hip hop acts with middle class origins that never downplayed their background.

  42. DivergentDana wrote:

    Yeah, my mistake… right after I posted, I looked it up and found what you’ve stated.