What’s worse: Real Housewives of Atlanta or race-based criticism of it?

by Guest Contributor Tami, originally published What Tami Said

My blogsister Professor Tracey has me thinking about “The Real Housewives of Atlanta.” Yesterday, on Aunt Jemima’s Revenge, Tracey asked whether the hit Bravo show was “a guilty pleasure or embarrassing as hell for black folks, particularly women.” And so, as a regular watcher of the show, I pondered the lightning rods that the Hotlanta housewives have become.

Yeah, I watch RHOA. It’s shamelessly trashy, quite obviously scripted, drama-filled reality TV. But after a week of working and thinking and stressing and getting caught up in our country’s all-too-real political drama, sometimes I want to rest my brain by consuming something simple, indulgent and without value. “Real Housewives” is like a Hostess cupcake for my gray matter.

To be sure, the women on RHOA are no role models. They are alternately bullying, narcissistic, back-stabbing, money-grubbing, cliquey, disloyal, arrogant, self-involved, willfully ignorant, poorly spoken, wasteful and tackily nouveau riche. The show features street fights, wig tugging, name dropping, pole dancing, sugar daddy-funded goodies, “baller” fetishizing, vanity business projects, cattiness, loud arguments in nice restaurants (and nice offices..and nice homes), and whole lot of “flossing” and faux importance. Whether editing or reality is to blame, the women read like gross caricatures of the bourgie set, garnished with a little Jerry Springer.

But here’s the thing: These traits are not solely the hallmark of the black housewives of Atlanta. Reality shows are cast and scripted for drama, and the “Real Housewives” franchise serves up plenty of it with each and every season. So I find it curious that these five, black women are singled out as egregiously off-the-hook. Oh, I’m not saying that the white Real Housewives don’t catch hell. Half the thrill of watching all the RH series is snarking on the excess and ignorance afterwards. My problem is HOW the Atlanta wives are criticized.

A foray into online coverage, blogs and TV forums like the ones on Television Without Pity will uncover frequent use of the word “ghetto” and “hood,” references to this or that housewife looking “like a man,” hints that the housewives are high-classed “hos”–promiscuous, scheming she-devils hot on the trail of big money, snark about big booties, talk of how the women are embarrassing black folks. Hmmm…sounds kind of like the type of criticism often thrown at black women, even those who act demurely and properly. (Have you seen the stuff folks say about Michelle Obama and her daughters?) Frankly, I have more problem with this sort of racialized analysis than I do with anything that happens on “Real Housewives of Atlanta.”

Bethany Frankel, one of the “Real Housewives of New York,” goes heavy on the race-based synopses in her weekly RHOA recap at E! Online. Read her account of housewife Sheree’s episode one meeting with a party planner:

Was anything better than the final party planning scene? I love how Sheree says (with a straight face), “I didn’t get any messages from either you or a poet!”

Anthony had the most professionally looking attire, and he let us know that he is a top-level executive. Then the wheels fell off—you could just feel that something was about to explode.

My man tried to be so articulate in the beginning, and he worked his way up to gangsta. Not only did he not get the helicopter. He was a helicopter! I loved how he would occasionally look at the camera as if it wouldn’t catch all of this.

You really need to rewind it because there are so many fantastic nuggets in this scene. I definitely laughed so hard I cried, and I mean windshield wiper Snoopy tears. OK, a few examples: “Who gon’ check me boo?” Or “I eat bitches like you every day.” Did he throw “yo mamma is a bitch?!” Did anyone else just die when his coworkers subtly closed the office door as if they had begun speaking just above a whisper.

When she stood up, still in sunglasses, after her Cleveland explanation, her face literally looked distorted. It was fantastic. She went full hood on his ass, and I dropped dead. This was a meeting with a party planner!

“…tried to be articulate…worked his way into gangsta”

“…went full hood…”

Huh.

Was it “hood” when New Jersey housewife Theresa lost her shit and flipped a table during a loud imbroglio in a swanky restaurant?

I read mocking comments about the RHOA women “axing” for things and numerous slights against their collective blaccents. But why is it more acceptable when the Jersey wives mangle the Queen’s English than when the Atlanta wives do?

Atlanta Housewife Sheree is one self-aggrandizing chick, but is she any worse than ex-Countess Luann de Lesseps on Real Housewives of New York? Honey, a married-into/divorced-out-of title doesn’t make it any better when you act a pompous ass.

And for all the tittering about new Atlanta housewife Kandi’s seemingly sorry fiance with the four baby mamas…There are several series players with first, second and third marriages and blended families. There are sketchy boyfriends and even worse husbands. I look at Kandi’s man and want to scream “Run, girl, run!” But, y’know I say the same thing about the cloying, controlling, joined-at-the-hip weirdness that is the marriage of RHONY wife Alex. I said the same thing about oily, creepy, young-woman-chaser, Slade, in season one of Real Housewives of Orange County. I said the same thing about the disinterested and sour-faced boyfriend New Yorker Bethany Frankel chased in season one of RHONY.

The Atlanta wives can be awfully clueless for alleged high society types. No ladies, you probably don’t want to eat the fondant on your pricey cake flown in from L.A. Of course it tastes bad. Fondant, though edible, is for decoration. But when OC Housewife Jeana hosted a guest from Canada in season one, her family could not have appeared more ignorant and xenophobic. “Do you speak Canadian?” WTF? Jeana and her crew hardly seemed like well-traveled, worldly jet setters.

My point–As far as I can tell, nearly all of the Real Housewives are bullying, narcissistic, back-stabbing, money-grubbing, cliquey, disloyal, arrogant, self-involved, willfully ignorant, poorly spoken, wasteful and tackily nouveau riche. It makes for good television. But the Orange County, New York and New Jersey wives are not seen as representative of white culture or white womanhood. They are not discussed using racialized terms. And no white folks are spending time being embarrassed by their hijinks. By contrast, the Atlanta dysfunction is positioned as uniquely black, confirmation of a host of stereotypes about poor, ignorant, urban people; loud, angry black women; and shiftless black men with myriad baby mamas.

There is a sense in the sniping about the RHOA women, that people think they especially don’t deserve their arrogance and feelings of entitlement. Who are these black women to think they have class, looks and smarts? Consider these comments from Television Without Pity:

Sheree – you can take the girl out of the ghetto, but you can’t take the ghetto out of the girl! You are the wiki of trash. Truly.

My mouth is hanging open. The sheer blunt force of the vulgarity has left me stunned. It was like a herd of cattle wearing wigs and lipstick passed through my living room.

Sheree looks like Ray Allen with a wig.

And for the record, NeNe (I didn’t know Martin Lawrence was on this show!!)…

This show needs subtitles. I don’t think anyone speaks english. Must get out my Detroit Ghetto Translation Guide. Holy shit, what a mess of ugly, gross bimbos. Reminds me why I left Motown. Barf. Shower, please!!!!!!

Vulgar…manly…ghetto…animals…Detroit-like(?)…

There is something about a willful black woman that attracts unflinching, crazy hate. I call it it Star Jones/Omarosa Syndrome.

Look, there is a whole lot that is distasteful about the Real Housewives of Atlanta. But more distasteful is the disproportionate level of racialized criticism that is heaped on them for doing the same things that their white counterparts do.

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Comments

  1. Fiqah wrote:

    @Tami:

    There is something about a willful black woman that attracts unflinching, crazy hate.

    Yes. It’s the “How DARE You?!” Effect.

  2. Mary wrote:

    Television Without Pity blows. Under the guise of “snark” and being “without pity,” all kinds of offensive (not only racist, but misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic) crap gets posted. You should see what they write about poor Gina Neely, of Down Home With the Neelys… or on second thought, don’t.

    The moderation policy is such that if you try to call out the racial comments for what they are, you’ll get slapped down for snarking on other posters and not the show… SIGH.

  3. merq wrote:

    Intriguing. I was waiting for Racialicious to tackle this. I don’t watch reality TV, but I know the “Housewives” series is built upon the “money != class” statement. When Atlanta came up, I was intrigued to see how it would play out and be received.

    Gonna read this on my way to work. Can’t wait.

  4. BSK wrote:

    Tami-

    Just to clarify, are the comments you are referring to coming from legitimate news sources and television/media critics or from the comments sections of blogs and articles? I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the latter is the case, since this is the same drivel we see anytime an article that has anything to do with anyone non-white/male/straight is written. If it is the former, then I would have serious reservations about whatever source is publishing this crap and would support any efforts to call attention to the obvious racism/classism/sexism being put forth.

  5. Jeremy wrote:

    This is a really good analysis, and speaks to issues of tokenism in American pop culture, and even political discourse. As the token black housewives show (which is problematic enough as it is), the women on RHOA are taken as representatives for their entire race, while the white women from the rest of the Real Housewives franchise are seen as aberrations from the norm. It’s classic tokenism, and I think plenty of men and women of color can relate, having been made to feel like surrogates for their race in white-majority spaces. The white women are performing (yes, performing) in the same way, yet are treated entirely different.

    Frankel’s comments are really the embodiment of this sentiment. It all appears subconscious, but she is judging these women with a completely different lens than she judges her own castmates.

  6. dwhite10701 wrote:

    I got banned from TWOP years ago for simply pointing out some of their racialist language and decisions.

  7. Eva wrote:

    TWoP fails and is filled with closet and not so closet racists. If you try to call them on their racism, YOU will be banned. So much for free speech. I think that entire site should be shut down for being so racist.

  8. blah wrote:

    dwhite10701 and Eva, I was banned from TWOP for the same thing. There is a not so veiled hatred of most black female characters on tv shows, Dualla (Battlestar Galactica), Martha (Doctor Who), Simone (Heroes), etc, that is allowed to fester at TWOP.

  9. Phil Deeze wrote:

    I’m not surprised that RHOA gets the nasty racial comments that it gets from certain forums.

    Some people are angry that their lives are so sad that they’ve got nothing left to do but cast stones at women on TV. But THESE women? They have the nerve to be black. And, in Kandi’s case, independently well-off and accomplished.

    The show is what it is. But for folks to take it to the next level by racially disparaging the women as manly-looking, etc. it’s pretty sad. This isn’t a post-racial society. We have a lot of black folks doing well for themselves and now all some white folks have to do is act like cave-dwellers.

  10. Brooke wrote:

    @Eva – just because it’s a pet peeve, free speech isn’t something that we have when posting on internet message boards, not unless it’s the government who comes in and shuts it down. As assholeish as the TWOP forum-runners are, they don’t have any obligation to let anyone speak there.

    As far as Tami’s OP – I commend you for being able to stomach these shows enough to be able to sort out the racialized aspect of the viewers’ reactions to them. I sort of get stuck on the sheer absurdity of the Real Housewives spectacle in general that I hadn’t noticed it myself – BUT I am not surprised at all to see what’s beyond the curtain you’ve pulled back for me.

  11. Miles Ellison wrote:

    Real Housewives of Atlanta is nothing more than minstrelsy. That said, this kind of stereotypical racism is so hard wired that most people are incapable of separating it from any kind of actual reality, especially when it comes to people of color. When Jessica Simpson’s reality show was on, there were many in the media who didn’t believe that she was actually that stupid. They thought it was an act, because no white person could POSSIBLY be that stupid. When it comes to the shuckin’ and jivin’ of black people on television, there is no presumption that it’s an act. People believe that it’s real, and are incapable of believing otherwise.

    The people who make these shows only think that obnoxiously negative and racist stereotypes are entertaining. Dignity isn’t. Intelligence isn’t either. The dearth of articulate and dignified people on these shows is no accident. On one level, dignified and intelligent people wouldn’t go on a reality show in the first place. On another level, no reality show would seek them out. Especially if they’re black.

  12. Maria wrote:

    I write a blog dedicated entirely to Bravo, and by extension the Housewives franchise. I absolutely agree with this assesment. However, I did want to point out that the white housewives get race-based insults as well. “White trash” is an insult commonly thrown around about OC housewife Tamra Barney. However, I absolutely agree that the OC housewives are never expected to represent for all white women everywhere. The Atlanta housewives are.

  13. Phil Deeze wrote:

    @Miles,
    I do remember a group of folks saying that Jessica Simpson was “crazy like a fox” as in playing up her big boobs, blonde hair, etc. into some sort of fake-ass Mae West bombshell/ditz combo that uses her sexuality to get where she needs to go.
    When a black actress tries to vamp it up like that, she’s in a dangerous spot. Because not many black folks can transcend the racial stereotyping that goes on. It seems as if an old Audrey Lorde quote is in order here about defining yourself FOR yourself…..
    I’m not saying a sister can’t be attractive. I’m not saying a sister can’t be sexy. I am saying that it’s a double-edged sword that she isn’t always allowed to swing to her advantage in this society. That sort of black lady is very very rare. And women like Dorothy Dandridge and Josephine Baker have dealt with these complex issues, issues which Gabrielle Union, Halle Berry, etc. are dealing with today.

  14. Roxie wrote:

    One thing not brought up in the article (cause like, this is a different topic ;) ) is Kim.

    Kim’s insistence that she’s a black women trapped in a white woman’s body

  15. thewayoftheid wrote:

    Hey, another banned TWOPer here just to cosign what’s been said. I don’t think the site has had ANY PoC mods since its inception.

  16. Alisha wrote:

    I completely agree that the RH shows play up stereotypes for any marginalized group -for instance, I have yet to find a person who isn’t convinced that the RHONJ is about mafia wives. However, I would like to point out that all of the hurtful, stereotypical words that have been used in reference to RHOA have been used by the cast themselves. The minute ANY altercation happened, the words “ghetto,” “street,” and “gangsta” all came up (often times said with sense of pride). You could almost pay a drinking game with it. So if they cannot use more appropriate wording to address their unseemingly behavior – how can we expect others to chose it for them?

    PS: I think I recall in the RHONJ, the table was at least flipped in a private part of the restaurant.

  17. Lyonside wrote:

    I don’t watch the show, and only check TWOP for a few favorite shows. Not sure about mods, but they do have a smattering of POC recappers, notably Omar Gallaga. But I’m honestly not sure about anyone else…

  18. Ruchama wrote:

    “Was it “hood” when New Jersey housewife Theresa lost her shit and flipped a table during a loud imbroglio in a swanky restaurant?”

    No, it was Italian. Jersey. Mafia. The second that show went on the air, people started speculating about mob connections. And it’s exactly the same with every other reality show about Italians in New Jersey. (Cake Boss comes to mind — I’ve seen several commercials for that show that are framed as “They’ve got to make a cake for a scary Italian guy in a dark suit! Will he kill them if it’s not right?”)

    I haven’t seen any of the other Real Housewives shows, but on the NJ one, their Italianness was emphasized over and over.

  19. mouse wrote:

    God I love you for this. The ANTM threads are terrible with this sort of thing, there.

  20. ashlynn wrote:

    If the RHOA were career driven, poised, elegant strong black women- which, despite the scripted/unscripted drama of the show, are qualities quite a few of them posses- they would be uppity, fake, trying to be white…notice how DeShaun of season one was quietly axed off of the show, because she wasn’t loud and brash and vulgar or what have you. What I find is that she and Kandi aren’t nearly as interesting; not because they are boring people, but they weren’t screaming and arguing back and forth all the time. Bravo feeds off of drama, and unfortunately, once race gets thrown into the ring, what you though was hilarious for the OC and NY is no longer funny when it hits close to home.

  21. Paz wrote:

    As Ruchanna pointed out, the Housewives of NJ get the Italian mob treatment. I believe Bethanny Frankel was a guest on the Today show and called the franchise a big bowl of pasta, or something to that effect. All of the franchises (all of reality TV really) are stereotype after stereotype.
    The other day I was watching RHOA though, and I thought that for all of its craziness, it’s interesting to see that most of the professionals they interact with are African American. While most of the housewives are athlete’s wives, the show still shows black professionals that have built careers other than through sports or music.

  22. merq wrote:

    To all TWoP exiles:

    I’ve long found forums like these to be interesting studies in group behavior. I was never on TWoP, but I was on the FameTracker forums, the big, bad granddaddy of ‘em all.

    I was also there for the Great FameTracker implosion of ‘05 (google it), during which many posters went against the prevailing cutesy, high-school-graduation “so sad, miss you” and called out the forum for its misogynistic and racist bullshit.

    Among the Greatest Hits I was fortunate enough to experience firsthand, we had tons of those omnipresent “Serena = lower primate” comments and one particularly bone-chilling episode in which a white female poster came in (e-)crying about how she a mean old black man forced her to call him a n*gger… but oh, her black BFF was totally on her side, and she (according to the eboniced-out quote she provided,) totally called him one too!!

    That was enough for most POC, and the FT forum shutdown meant the end of all this. For others, SnarkFest was born. It was meant to be a “safer, friendlier space” without all the ugliness of FT. I found it particularly interesting how quickly it got all Animal Farm on itself.

    In a thread about the whole firestorm over European media outlets depicting Prophet Mohammed, one poster put up a link to a 2-minute long Flash animated movie on the subject, which she thought was “hilarious!”

    I had to stop about a minute in, when it became clear that the smug, anti-Islamic message was NOT satirical at all. The animated hero/narrator, in a condescending “Yalie-stereotype” voice, had just stated how “apparently, the sand people have a problem with their Prophet being caricatured” when I closed the window.

    Went back onto SF, and asked the poster if she thought actual “sand people” on the boards would find that video equally hilarious. I was banned that day.

    Was shocked, but not too bothered — I had gotten way too busy to actively participate on any forum, anyway. So I simply emailed one of the board’s founders personally, juxtaposing the reason for my banning with the complaints aired during the death of FT. I closed the email by quoting the final graf of Animal Farm, wherein the “lower” animals gathered outside the farmhouse and looked back and forth from the pigs to their human guests, realizing they could no longer tell the two groups apart.

    I’m sure it didn’t change anything there, but I felt I’d done my bit.

  23. Emily wrote:

    thank you for this post. I have been waiting for someone to write about the ways these women are portrayed.

  24. erac wrote:

    merc, Dawson’s Wrap/Mighty Big TV/Television Without Pity has been around longer than Fametracker. And Snarkfest was a joke from the beginning.

  25. merq wrote:

    erac,

    Yes, but in terms of notoriety and (disturbingly so,) influence, FameTracker had TWoP beat.

    And yes, SnarkFest was a joke. But that only serves to bolster my point.

  26. Cyndi wrote:

    Thank you Jeremy and Tami, enjoyed your post. However, I found it very interesting that out all of the RHWs the only one that had a non- black female, who wasn’t even a housewife was RHWOA. RHWONJ or RHWOOC appeared to be for whites only. I’m confused…. Why is Kim there?

  27. JEM wrote:

    On TWOP recappers use to also moderate the forums of the shows they recapped so if there were recappers of color then there were also mods of color. Since they’ve were bought out by Bravo they have dedicated moderators so I don’t have any idea of their ethnic make up. TWOP has some really basic rules, on of which is to talk about TV, not about the boards or other people’s opinions. For me that’s fair enough. Trying to argue with other posters about their jacked up views can quickly derail a thread.

    I don’t always agree how some of the mods choose to exert their power but it’s never been a huge problem for me since I’m mostly a lurker. I would object to the idea that there are just a bunch of racists that post there. While there are certainly posters whose posts I avoid reading I do believe there are a lot of intelligent and thoughtful people who post there as well and I have been exposed to ideas and theories that led me to want to learn more about something or somebody that I would never have know about otherwise.

    I find that the depth of conversation in TWOP forums is usually in direct correlation to the quality of the show that’s being talked about. There were some great conversations about class, race, religion etc in the Friday Night Lights forums because the show was much more thoughtful about those issues, RHOA not so much.

    When the show first came on the air there was a lot of talk on that board about the nature of the criticism of the Atlanta housewives there and elsewhere and whether it was racialized. I was inclined to agree that some of the criticism was “off-color.” I had only watched the RHNY and the Atlanta version at that time (I think the RHNJ have proven themselves far worse than the Atlanta crew). The RHNY were disparaged quite a bit but not for things people would automatically associate with whiteness. That’s because there aren’t a lot of negative stereotypes we only associate with whiteness. I’m sure they were called “white trash” but “white trash” does not seem to have the sting that “ghetto” and “hood” does. Also when you say someone is white trash it is assumed that you are only speaking about an individual and not commenting on an entire group.

    I think this is really another example of the drawbacks of under representation of POC on TV and our collective place in society. Ideally you would want everyone to be seen as an individual whose behavior only reflects on themselves and their values. In reality that is not yet true. It’s possible that someone (or a 100 someones) might find Sheree a little butch in ways that have nothing to do with her blackness and I don’t know if I can assume that an individual is buying into a stereotype when I’ve never heard of Lisa or DeShawn (who was not tiny) receive the same criticism. Given that I don’t always know what’s an acceptable critique and when I’m being over-sensitive.

  28. Visan wrote:

    I’m one of those folks who was banned from TWoP for some flaky reason. But I’ve read some of the comments regarding the various “Housewives” franchises. Most of the women, across the board, get dissed.
    To be fair, some of the comments about the RHONJ were cold-blooded. The women were called “skrippers,” ignorant, “connected,” if ya know what I mean.

    I totally agree with the point that a direct and upfront black woman is classified as “manly” or “unfeminine” by society at large. Not sure if Omarosa, of whom I’m fan because of her attention-seeking antics, is a good example. But that’s JMO….

  29. TJ wrote:

    @Cyndi: Not quite. Bethany of RHONY was never a housewife. She was engaged the first couples seasons and single the last season. Kelly Bensimon is single and LuAnn is now divorced. On RHONJ, Danielle is divorced and single. On RHOOC, Jeana is divorced (or in the process of one) last season and Gretchen is only engaged to her SO (who recently died).

  30. Lace wrote:

    As an educated, proud black woman, I was excited to hear that a TV show representing professionally successful African-Americans and their families would be airing. Of course, that was until I actually tuned in and observed the antics of these housewives. Their behavior is so typically representative of what the overall American TV viewing population believes of the black race that it is shameful, disrespectful and embarrassing to those of us who actually know how to correctly speak English and behave like grown adults. At this point, one wonders if the show couldn’t just as easily have transplanted folks from Newark, NJ to star. As this season has shown more anger towards each other, I’ve noticed that the ladies begin to describe themselves and actions as “ghetto, gangsta,” etc as if these are desireable terms to claim. In addition, contrary to what the show was to have portrayed, the majority now appear bankrupt and quite possibly homeless. So much for the hard-fought affluence. Yes, this is a tough economy but for nearly all to have lost almost everything? As for the “gentleman” party planner, I can only imagine the shame felt by his mother, wife, sister or daughter as they watched and listened to his hysteria. To Bravo TV I ask only one question: “Do you mean to tell us that out of the entire state of Georgia this was the best sampling of African-American women and their lives that you could find to represent us in 2008?” The RHOA is one step short of being a minstrel show. Shame on all of us for viewing this train wreck.

  31. Maria wrote:

    I just wanted to second JEM’s comments about TWoP. The reason why you can’t comment on how racist some poster is, is because it derails the conversation.

    If someone makes a racist remark, like let’s say calling someone a monkey, there’s a place where you can report that, because it’s trolling and has nothing to do with the show. If the racist remark is an interpretaion of something that happened on the show, you can argue against it (and provide a non-racist interpretation). In general, a lot of relatively stupid comments are allowed and ignored by other posters, because the mods are not omnipotent and people don’t feed trolls.

    And how would you know if the mods or recappers are PoC, GLBTQ or whatever? Most write/mod under pseudonyms.

  32. chicagorose wrote:

    Here’s my race-based criticism: There’s a monumental difference between being embarrassed by the conduct of black folk (a mostly class based response) and being pissed off at the racism behind Bravo airing this hot mess. The payoff of RHWOA and college ghetto parties is exactly the same. The pleasure derived is from thinking you are somehow elevated above the subject matter. And I agree with others who have posted about the New Jersey/Italian stereotypes promoted in the other show. Someone is fostering their prejudices via these programs, and am referring as much to the production staff behind the creation of these heightened *reality* shows (predominately people of college age) as I am the viewing audience. Getting off on people’s dysfunctions? This aint friggin Rome. Yes, we can do better.

  33. THINK wrote:

    I saw a trailer for RHWOA on one of the many cable stations that I watch. I could not believe it.

    American culture, as a whole, has gone down. I think sensible people realize this this show takes on the same kind of production persona as modern day rap: these people assume an indentity and folks feed into it. There are so many of these kinds of shows that it boggles the imagination.

    First, people who have real money and have made something of themsleves cannot afford this kind of intrusion into their lives. There are a lot of well-to-do black folks in Atlanta and around the country. These people don’t make good television inasmuch as we have become addicted to trash–black trash, white trash, brown trash, and yellow trash. Just plain trashy television. Crackheads have reality shows. Look at BET! Flavor Flav had/has a show where he is trying to find love instead of a plastic surgeon and a decent tailor. A grown ass man running around with a huge clock around his neck. What woman in her damn right mind would even sit across the table from this man–let alone think about love?

    Moreover, there are a whole lot of black folks in Atlanta (and elsewhere) living “large” and beyond their means and this is one of the reasons why Atlanta has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country.

    As a black man, I would not take Nene from RHWOA to a show to see two roaches fight to the death, let alone marry her. A real black man wants a woman who is dignified, professional, and understands how to carry herself. Who is going to take this loudmouth woman anywhere?

    It is funny when you see these evolved Ghetto-to-the-first-power woman running around with Prada and Louis Vutton handbags and that sort of thing. I’m from the north (NewYork) and I never could understand southern women or men and their idea of fashion.

    Then, you have these brothers wearing watches the size of hubcaps.

    Class is always about understatement. It can been seen without being broadcasted. Few people possess this trait and those who do are a dying breed.

    Either you have it or you don’t. And you really cannot learn about clothes in the south. You have to come up north to see how folks with style dress and then take it back down south.

    The tragedy is that the black middle-class and upper classes are now trying to “mimic” the worse ghetto behaviour available.

    As someone pointed out elsewhere, these reality shows are the offspring of Jerry Springer. Now, people will go on television and so anything before a camera. It is like a live soap opera and people cannot get enough of it! They can’t.

    Sensible people know that black folks are diverse. You have to mature enough to understand that everyone who shows up on television is not carrying a torch for black folk. These are hungry Negroes trying to get paid and get whatever they can get while they can get it. That’s all.