On Mad Men and Race

by Latoya Peterson

So, the Double X article is finally up. The last time I wrote something for Double X, intrepid reader jvansteppes dropped by to add a provocative note to the fannish comment thread:

Being a regular reader of yours at Racialicious, Latoya, I’m a bit surprised you haven’t mentioned the racial undertones in Twilight, although perhaps you haven’t wasted the time to read it. I did unfortunately read the first 2 books for a paper about teen fiction, and the racial undertones hit me pretty hard. While the racialization of vampires, originally linked to projections of Jewish monstrosity, has certainly evolved to the inclusion of characters like Blade, I’ve long associated vamps with a whiteness fetish, and Stephanie Meier doesn’t deviate from that trend. She takes great pains to emphasize the Cullen family’s pale demeanor, linking both Edward and Bella’s alleged beauty to their white, translucent skin over and over again. While I don’t imagine she’s conscious of this theme, it’s ever-present in her less than creative descriptions of vampire beauty or the purity of white Bella.

Contrast perfect Edward Cullen with Jacob Black however, and the race narrative gets even more obvious, even without a deconstruction of her shaky use of Indian myth as a plot device. Meier uses the phrase ‘russet skin’ so often to describe her Quileute characters that a drinking game could follow suit. Her exoticized, shallow accounts of each Indigenous character’s skin color are so over the top they left me wondering why an editor didn’t say anything. While white, refined Edward is a testament to abstinence and self control, russet Jacob is a werewolf unable to control his emotions, who ultimately forces a kiss on Bella. Edward is cold and beyond human weaknesses, while animal Jacob’s body constantly overheats, as do so many portrayals of uncivilized people of color. Edward struggles for control and ultimately we never doubt his ability to maintain his control of mind over body, while Jacob’s body, too big to be anything but dangerous, takes precedence over his mind. I could go on and on.

As could I. I actually did read the first two Twilight books and the chapters of Midnight Sun posted online. And I noticed the race issues in Twilight, starting from the first discussion of Jacob’s “exotic beauty.”

But the tough part of selling your work for publication means it is no longer about what you want to say – it’s about what your editor wants to publish. And it’s up to the writer to then shoehorn their original idea into the editors vision. When it came time to write about the treatment of race in the context of Mad Men, my original draft came in close to eight pages. My editor had something closer to two in mind. And thus, the cuts began.

I don’t blame my editor for this. Most editors are used to working with a strict word count, with the prevailing idea that shorter is better. And here…well, you all see the length of what we write. (A word of advice to aspiring writers: do NOT turn in articles longer than the word count your editor recommends, they hate that. Since we were figuring things out, I kind of just ran with my thoughts – normally, your editor will not want to read anything that’s more than a hundred words over.)

So, while I am ultimately satisfied with what appeared on Double X, that isn’t the full view of what I wrote. Take, for instance, my original thesis:

Draper, the creative director of Madison Avenue based firm Sterling Cooper, is testing out a theory he has about cigarette branding on the waiter. After all, as Paul Kinsey will note later in the series, “consumer has no color.” However, in the Mad Men world, blacks and other non whites serve as little more than window dressing for the actual events occurring in the 1960s. The scenes with Draper and the black waiter reveal how Mad Men will discuss racial prejudice throughout the course of the series: the subject will be treated with distance, restraint, and is always told through the eyes of the white characters. In all that has been said and written about Mad Men since its stunning debut in 2007, critical race analysis remains elusive. While there have been articles noting the attention paid to details about environmental awareness, child safety, and pregnancy health, incisive commentary about race relations in the 1960s has so far escaped the withering gaze of the writers.

My original article (honed though conversations with Highjive of MultiCultClassics and G.D. of PostBourgie) focused around what I saw as the erasure of the black voice. Sure, blacks are visible in the series, but silent. Some people have taken that to reflect the attitudes of Draper and Co. toward their plight. However, when you contrast the images of blacks and Asians with the images of other marginalized groups, you find that there are other methods the writers use to peek into the lives of “others” – and that time after time, this courtesy is not extended to blacks.

I grew even more sure of this idea as I watched the growing chatter about Mad Men on other forums. Whenever the idea of race was broached, the idea was that the subject had been handled – after all, blacks were in the scenes weren’t they? As servants? Totally realistic! However, it reinforces what commenters N and Cocomala were discussing in the other comment thread – there is an idea that if blacks are present, it is the same thing as their story being told.

It is not.

Reading through responses, I really started to be concerned. Are people so conditioned to ignore black narratives that any representation will do? And are people so accustomed to commentary about race coming in broad, heavy handed “racial moments” that we will ignore the lack of nuance used to portray the lives of axillary black characters?

At the end of the piece, I asked if it would be so hard to show some of the strain of racism, as we see Betty staring off into space in her suffocating suburban prison showing the issues in her existence, or Peggy’s constant air of discomfort. This does not call for re-imagining the show. As I wrote in the original:

Mad Men is a world dominated by white men, so it only bears to reason that much of the show will be from the perspective of the central characters, namely the men of Sterling Cooper and their wives.. However, the some marginalized groups get to have their say, using their limited time in the Mad Men world to share their insights as outsiders. [...]

The Mad Men are not interested in hearing about the world of women, of understanding Jews or hearing their issues. But, through intimate conversations and intra-group conversations, we are allowed a glimpse into what those groups were going through.

In contrast, other racial minorities have no voice and no representation. The black characters are literally voiceless. How is it possible, in a series that illuminates so much about that era, to remain in the shadows? To be an after thought? [...]

There is not a single character of color, outside of Menken, who has the space or ability to voice what they are experiencing.

Some while some viewers believe that Mad Men adequately deals with race. But this is a lie. Inadvertently, Mad Men features a stunningly clear view of how we deal with race in 2009. While there is the acknowledgment that bad things happen – the race riots are clucked over at the office, with some sharing concern for Kinsey – ultimately, the black characters have no voice of their own. And the loss of this voice continues to dehumanize them.

This is a form of erasure, and shows how much as not changed from 1960 until today.

Is it possible to tell a story or to convey a moment without centering that character? I would argue yes. Take, for example, the other gay characters in the series. Most of the analysis of LGBTQ themes focuses on Salvatore, but there are other gay characters around the margins, who again, still have the ability to illuminate their condition. Remember Joan’s roommate, the one who drunkenly confessed that she had done all she could to be near her? Joan politely downplays her request, and continues as if nothing was ever confessed.

However, the devil, again, is in the details. The scene after shows Joan and her roommate entertaining two gentleman guests. Joan brings her guest back to her room, leaving her roommate awkwardly sitting with the other man. He makes a flirty remark. She looks chagrined, before saying something to the extent of “it doesn’t matter” and submitting to his advances. Joan’s rooommate is not seen again, but has already managed to place an important message in the mind of a viewer: is this how homosexuals had to deal with their sexuality then? How many lesbian women submitted to men just because it was easier?

Another areas I found telling was the treatment of Asian Americans in the series. Often not even mentioned, in the original I wrote:

In addition, the show plays into a lot of existing racial stereotypes – and not in the self aware way that the writers tackle gender stereotypes. For example, the portrayals of Asian American characters dovetails with two existing tropes. In the first season, the boys of Sterling Cooper hire a Chinese family to inhabit Pete Campbell’s office as a prank. Referred to as “the Chinamen” and presented in traditional attire, it reinforces the idea of Asian Americans as perpetual foreigners. In the second season, Don Draper is at a bar where he is approached by an attractive Asian American waitress in a cheongasm (though she does not speak with an accent.) She propositions Don, alluding to a possible sexual encounter. He turns her down, and she silently vanishes, her role as exotic eye candy fulfilled. Asian American voices are not heard, their stories are not told, but a recurring theme throughout the series is Bert Cooper’s fascination with Asian culture. He asks visitors to remove shoes in his office, prunes a Bonsai, and peppers his speech with phrases like “Let them open the kimono” but still, there is no space for an Asian American voice.

I had quite a bit of back and forth about this portion of piece, as the Asian characters were not seen as significant in the narrative, and it was argued the mindset of the sixties did not focus on Asian American rights. I explained that by the 1960s, Asian Americans had already been politically engaged in America since (at least) the 1920s. I pointed out the iconic image of a young Asian woman holding up a sign saying “Black Power for Black People, Yellow Power for Yellow People” and referred tothe relationship between Yuri Kochiyama and Malcolm X. That’s part of the perniciousness of the model minority myth, that Asian Americans sat passively during civil rights and did not contribute to struggles against inequality. So, with that being the case, it was interesting to see Asian Americans entered into the show’s consciousness, but only in those two very limited ways, once again as the vehicles for white characters to prove a point.

The end result was an inclusion, but again a compromise.

This idea that race was being glossed over was confirmed watching the DVD special features. While I did not have time to watch the audio commentaries by Weiner, I did check out everything else. And while there were segments explaining what was happening during the period, most of the race related things (like the Freedom Rides) only received a simple explanation.

Watching Birth of an Independent Woman, I was amazed they devoted almost forty minutes to the role of women and the environment that gave rise to the second wave of feminism. However, they had one black expert (Michelle Wallace) and one male expert (Michael Kimmel) – the other four were white women. While they referred to race, it never went into depth, and that was fine – after all, the special was about the beginning of feminism, not civil rights.

But there was one very interesting omission.

During a portion of the special, they discussed black women in feminism, and discussed how they often supported both sides. They discussed how black women had marched with the suffragettes for the women’s vote, and with black men for the black vote. They discussed how many black leaders, like Frederick Douglass and W.E.B. Dubois supported the women’s movement. Then they mentioned how black women in the Civil Rights Movement still faced resistance there, still fought the same glass ceilings, and noted they gravitated to feminism as a separate movement to guarantee women’s rights.

I waited, but that was all. They had rightfully called out the sexism that plagued the civil rights movement.

But there was no mention of how many black women struggled with the racism within feminism.

There were similar omissions when discussing women. The talk of educated women being confined to the home dominated the conversation. There was only one mention of domestics, and no discussion of what was happening to women whose lives did not fit that paradigm.

All this said, I still enjoy Mad Men. I think it’s a wonderful show, with compellingly dark characters that illustrates the more grotesque side of an often glamorized period. But with Mad Men, the devil is in the details, and it appears that all the visible minorities have been mostly overlooked.

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Comments

  1. Karen wrote:

    Twilight is a very interesting case study. I remember when I read it, I hated so many things about it. but i am ashamed to say that it did not keep me (at least not then) from reading and re-reading the entire series. for a young adult like myself, Meye’s books are like emotional porn in a way. Even though i would be moderately irritated and angry about the constant “you’re kinda beautiful” phrases to Jacob and the kind of disturbing notion of Edward and Bella’s complete obsessions over each other, I still couldnt put the books down till recently. I am now though a recovering addict and once these issues were brought into the light instead of remaining in my head, it got a lot easier to not only dislike the elements of the series but the series itself.

  2. Shiyuan Deng wrote:

    Do the racial narratives in MadMen (and Twilight) tell us something that we did not already know?

    Also, Karen: I’m not sure that the presence of racism in media is a good reason to stop consuming media. I mean… that (I think guilt-motivated) attitude imagines that there could be a place outside of racism, that there could be a form of media that is completely unaffected by racial discourses, and I don’t think there can be.

  3. Jeremy wrote:

    I’m pretty much blown away (in a good way) with this analysis. You’re only able to reveal “the devil in the details,” as you put it, after meticulous research, conversation, and thought. Stellar attention to detail here, indicative of hard work (closely re-watching the episodes) and sharp intellect (connecting it to the broader socio-historical context).

    I’ve got my opinion (expressed in the last thread & at Postbourgie),but…wow. This was impressive.

  4. atlasien wrote:

    Great article! It was very precise, like a scalpel. I’m glad that the drastic editing still got the heart of the argument across.

    By the way, I think the comprehensive racial analysis of Twilight may have already been written here, at this post.

    It was written by an ex-Mormon and explains everything. Russet skin… Lamanites! Sparkly marble skin… Joseph Smith! It’s rather mind-boggling.

  5. Karen wrote:

    And to that I say…your right. i mean there are tons of good reasons not to consume media but usually the reasons i do it for are usually non-productive. but im kinda not sure what to do at this point. im relatively new to actually noticing blatant and institutional racism in the images that i consume everyday.

  6. 7thangel wrote:

    great article

    i have a question though, did you give ‘the root’ permission to create their own title for your article? even though they used an excerpt and gave a link, the title at ‘the root’ is hella misleading.

    i would love your take on district 9 if you ever see it. the reviews i read that overstand and recognize, see the racefail, typical tropes and privilege while the mainstream reviewers and white viewers seem willfully blind to it, not that i’m surprised

    again, great article.

  7. Miss Girl wrote:

    I’m enamored with the show, but my boyfriend and I were joking around that we would never get cast (the Banana Republic thing).
    Nevertheless, I think the voices of minorities in Mad Men will slowly but surely emerge, perhaps replicating how it really occurred in that era, at least for white men.

  8. Shiyuan Deng wrote:

    Karen – I hear you. Although, strangely enough, I actually really enjoy media. TV, movies, music, print – I’m kind of an addict.

    I think the progression of coming to terms with your politics as a consumer goes something like this:

    1) Hey, this TV show/movie/song/picture is kind of racist.

    2) WHOA, TV/movies/music/print are all REALLY FREAKING RACIST.

    3) Dang, I want to watch/enjoy this piece of media, but I feel so guilty… Maybe if I only watch Gossip Girl when nobody else is around. (Kind of like the women’s magazines I used to keep buried under my bed)

    4) [ - and this is where you rationalize/make peace/what you have to do to figure out a way make your consumerism (something you can't really avoid) okay ].

  9. akua wrote:

    Very thoughtful and thought provoking analysis! The main reason I originally put off watching Mad Men was because the last thing I was interested in watching was a show about angsty middle/upper class white people in the 1960s. But, I finally gave in and it has become one of my favorite shows on television. I really do think it’s a work of art. The lack of exploration into characters of color doesn’t bother me so much because frankly, I think the writers (who I assume are all white) wouldn’t know how to handle it properly. It really bothers me to watch a television show or film that tries to introduce characters of color when they don’t have a good grasp on the characters’ voices. Mad Men’s attempts thus far have been pretty clumsy and I would prefer that the writers stick to the narrow world of their already established characters for now, which they seem to portray so well.

  10. cocolamala wrote:

    what do the racial themes in twilight and mad men tell us that we didn’t already know?

    I didn’t know that everybody would rave about Mad Men, even though it is plain that the writers disregard the racial dynamics of pre-civil rights culture — to me, that oversight counts against the narrative power of the show.

    In terms of Twilight: I thought that contrasting villanous “black/ethnic/others” — pure, white skinned good guys had gone out of fashion by way of Shakespeare and 19 c. literature. But, it turns out, you can still stake a hugely successful media enterprise on those notions.

    I still consume media that I find problematic, but not without an awareness of it, and not without a willingness to criticize narratives that I find dishonest.

    For instance,believing that Mad Men gives one great insight into 1950s-60s culture is not accurate. Great insight on that topic requires perspectives from everyone on the scene at the time (black staff and all).

    It makes more sense (to me) to say, Mad Men gives one insight into 1960s WASP culture at a Manhattan ad agency. Then, I can make a choice about whether I want to learn about that particular cultural instance. [maybe, maybe not]

    But, I don’t independently long for the untold tales of a 1960s Ad Agency Culture that never included me or intended to. Stories that, EVEN IN REVIVAL, make no attempts to do so either.

    [...aside from that one instance when someone wanted to know about selling cigarettes to black folk...or that other time a black attendant made somebody giggle...<---and these are 21 c. writers]

  11. Jess wrote:

    Karen, if it helps any, there’s a great film out there called “Everything is Terrible” which in some ways touches on what you are saying.

    I went through my deconstruct-everything bit years ago. After a while I realized that you have to edit a little, and decide what you are going to focus on. Frankly, I no longer have the energy to get on stuff each and every day, 24/7. And heck, Moby Dick is racist, Robinson Crusoe is, Shakespeare is, all the good stuff has an (insert your favorite evil here) -ist.

    Twilight is just not that good, that is its problem. It was also written by someone who is painfully un-self-aware, judging by the writing.

    So you can get upset, or you can do the analysis (as Latoya does here) and ask the interesting questions (as Latoya does here) and then figure out how you might approach it differently. What would you do? What would you write/produce? Why?

    Ultimately I think that’s a better — and far more fun–way to approach consuming media (I always think that sounds funny, as a reader, it brings the image of eating a book). Besides, you never find the good stuff without hitting a few clunkers now and then. And I would never have been able to appreciate, say, LeGuin, had I never picked up Piers Anthony in my life, even though the politics and writing of the latter are to my mind far inferior to those of the former.

    @Latoya — your advice to aspiring writers is sound, and speaking as a former editor let me add that writing short is a great exercise in seeing if you really know how to write. (I am a terrible wordsmith in that regard — it took me years to learn to cut things down). My first gigs were newspapers, and there is a pretty strict limit there, but some of the best writers I met worked the sports pages.

  12. jen* wrote:

    oooh atlasien – that is the best synopsis of Twilight I’ve seen. LOVE it!

    I actually didn’t read it and I don’t watch Mad Men, so I’ve no idea what I’m doing on this thread. But I love the link. And the dude who turns into the wolf in the Twilight trailers is HOT.

    carry on.

  13. Miles Ellison wrote:

    I think that Mad Men is attacking the ’60’s from a more subtle perspective as far as race and gender politics are concerned. The show is looking at the society of an ad agency (through the WASP prism) just as all hell is about to break loose in the US as women and black people agitate for equality. The cracks in the facade are beginning to appear.

    I think that the civil rights struggle in the south in the time the show is set was a distant abstraction to this particular strata of northern society, much like actual black people.

  14. Danielle wrote:

    Thank you Latoya! I’ve been watching Mad Men since it started back in 2007 and while I enjoy it, the way they treat racial issues has always annoyed me, but I was never quite fully able to articulate why.

    You definitely get at the heart of the issue. They show Black people but that’s it. They have no voices, no agencies, we don’t get to see the inner struggles and conflicts that we’ve seen of other marginalized characters.

    It reminds me too much of the movies from that era, where Blacks were just cooks and maids with one line. It’s like they were just set pieces. I was always hoping Mad Men would go beyond that, show what Black people thought of the people they work for. But since hardly anyone brings up this aspect of Mad Men, I’m not sure the writers think they have to address it in any kind of real way.

  15. Melanie wrote:

    The thing about “Mad Men” is that the POC are treated like a Greek Chorus. Think Don is cool and living life on his own terms? Show us Carla, smartly declining a ride to the train station after he’s poured himself a tumbler of bourbon. Want to show how much of a lout that Pete Campbell is? Then show him becoming indignant about having to share an elevator with the janitor. The series starts out with one of those encounters; it is meant to illustrate Don’s creative way of thinking about something as mundane as cigarettes in contrast with the waiter’s choice based on “what they gave in the army.” I do wonder if that waiter was fired as a consequence of Don’s inquisitiveness.

    While re-watching season 2, I was struck by the Jersey party; both for the introduction of Sheila White as a foil to expose Joan’s casual racism, but also that the party was a “mixed” party (with a few Asians thrown in for good measure) and that no character really discussed it.

    As for Don getting hit on by the Asian waitress…I don’t think that had to do with Orientalism. The show has been pretty consistent with its portrayal that most (if not all) women want a piece of him. The telling moment in that interaction was that he said no.

  16. Ramona wrote:

    I was also wondering if Twilight would ever be mentioned here. Although I too would not recommend anyone to waste their braincells on those books. Representation of race, women, and romantic relationships are all that’s wrong with Twilight along with the Mary Sue bad writing.

    Weirdly enough, as much as I consider myself a feminist of color, I couldn’t put the books down myself. As Karen said, it’s emotional porn. The only reason anyone enjoys the books is Edward Cullen. And it isn’t unitl you finish the 4th book that you realize how fried your brain is. -_-

  17. Jay wrote:

    I don’t think Mad Men has a duty to explore black voices and I think it is in keeping with the authenticity of the piece that they don’t. Mad Men is about ‘their’ world. The world of white-middle-class privilege (nb: not white people per se). Black voices are overlooked because they were overlooked and their marginalization in this drama for me is a story in itself. Here are the privileged few, so consumed in their own problems that they forget how damn lucky many of them were/are.
    What would totally ruin this show is hastily added black voices to satisfy a ”quota”- alternative viewings of this show, such as this essay are much more appropriate and let’s not forget, Mad Men is not a definitive interpretation of the 1960s, it’s Weiner’s interpretation of the 1960s.

  18. Heather wrote:

    I kind of agree with Miles Ellison re: the subtle perspective.

    Most plot lines on Mad Men move at a glacial pace. And it is told from the perspective of people in charge whose world is going to be essentially upended.

    And you can see the cracks in the facade, more-or-less.

  19. Kat wrote:

    @7thangel

    “i would love your take on district 9 if you ever see it. the reviews i read that overstand and recognize, see the racefail, typical tropes and privilege while the mainstream reviewers and white viewers seem willfully blind to it, not that i’m surprised”

    Yes PLEASE. I’m a white viewer and I was floored. I cannot believe that they played up the parallels to apartheid to such a degree and than pretended apartheid with black people never happened (just with aliens!) and had those unbelievably offensive Nigerians “characters.” I wanted to send in a tip but didn’t know how to do one that was more than a bookmark/link. I’ll just try e-mailing in my rant later.

    On Mad Men: It would make a huge difference to simply linger on the non white characters’ facial expressions and reactions occasionally. They don’t need to make major non white characters if they can’t handle it well or make it fit into the other characters’ realistically, but why couldn’t they just show us the expressions of, for example, that Chinese family who was paid to be living caricatures in Peter’s office? Just a single short shot of them leaving the building, likely through the back door, and showing their faces and their embarrassment/anger/defiant pride/whatever mix one would feel in that situation would have been humanizing and effective. It would have changed that scene from “I can’t believe people used to do that sort of thing to minorities!” to “I can’t believe people used to experience that.”

  20. jvansteppes wrote:

    Ooooh I got quoted on Racialicious! Thanks for the nod Latoya. I wish they wouldn’t give you such limited word counts, but I guess it’s also nice to see your work reaching a wider audience, so it’s a trade off.

    I have yet to see Mad Men. I’m leery of the excuse that it’s just a show about white people in a different time because that premise needn’t forclose upon possibilities for a richer subtext with POC characters.

  21. mabel wrote:

    One thing I’m really interested in is how “the sixties” is represented in popular culture and what it has come to mean in popular memory. Part of this is what role does the civil rights movement have in “the sixties”? Movies like Forrest Gump and alot of other representations of the sixties tend to focus on anti-war protesting/the Vietnam War/vague student radicalism and counterculture/hippies, in many ways writing out the civil rights movement not to mention the rise of black power and the black panthers. Thus race becomes largely written out of the social movements of the 1960s in favor of white middle class baby boomers who become yuppie producers of culture. Mad Men’s relationship to all of these things is definitely distinct from many 1990s explorations of the era. In some ways its deconstructing the Leave it to Beaver 50s in light of what’s going to happen in the 1960s… but one problem here is, its already happening at least in the civil rights movement! the Montgomery bus boycott was 1955!
    I really appreciate alot of the comments here about to what degree Mad Men is or can (or should) ever be about the black experience in the 1960s, since it is fundamentally about middle class (if not upper class) white people. Which is why I was so dissapointed in the Paul Kinsey (and to some degree the first girl Don is sleeping wiht) storylines/character development, because the show is engaging with beat culture, which is all about the “white negro” in Norman Mailer’s terms which is a great opportunity for a white show to explore race relations and the problems with whites adapting black culture.
    Another perpetual dilemma is how the show deals with the past… is the racism it demonstrates supposed ot be confined to the past or does it have some bearing on racism int eh present?

  22. ashlynn wrote:

    I’ve been trying to catch up on Mad Men for a good two weeks now(it’s impossible to find full episodes without having to use shitty Megavideo or whatever), and from what I have seen, the racial analysis is slowly creeping up, leaking through the show’s facade like hot fudge in a child’s fist. It won’t happen overnight. That said, the show’s writers need to take care that racial critiques don’t get stretched out so far that it begins to look like 1)they are incompetent in writing about race in a story, and 2) they are reluctant/ don’t want to even bother with the race questions and have probably been forced to.

    My friends and I constantly lament on the lack of storytelling that includes and even focuses on racial issues, and of course, characters who express that. Reading Racialicious and a slew of other amazing blogs and sites has opened my eyes a lot wider (and trust, they’re already big enough), and introduced me to critical race analysis on a deeper level (thanks for that!) However, I can only do so much bemoaning about it before I get tired of the subject and even myself. This is why I agree with Jess- I’d rather spend, say, 45 percent of my time discussing and exploring the thought regarding issues like these, another five brainstorming how I can answer the questions I raise, and counteract what those in positions of power put out there, and the remaining half actually DOING something about it. I’d love to read more about how we as readers, observers, and people living what we discuss, would go about turning our own ideas into tangible work that would rival and improve the quality and quantity of the oft-racist media out there.

  23. yolio wrote:

    I appreciated your article. It gave me a chance to to think through some of these scenes more carefully.

    I want to talk about the Asian waitress scene, because I think I read it a little differently than you. When she first propositioned him, I was confused about what was happening. I didn’t clearly understand that she was suggesting prostitution until Draper said “not tonight.” The reason for this was her manner: she wasn’t being seductive at all, her tone was perfectly matter of fact and her words were very indirect. She never blatantly suggested anything. However, she correctly assumed that her meaning would be clearly understood.

    This really struck me. I am pretty sure if I, a white woman, said the same things in a similar context that no one would dream of assuming I was selling sex. Basically she relied on her status as an exoticized asian woman to communicate her “sex object” message for her. And it worked! Draper understood her perfectly.

    I thought that this scene commented eloquently and concisely on her racial status. It left the viewer wondering about the burden of carrying around that exoticized status all the time. Anyway, it left me wondering about that. It also contrasted the more typical hollywood treatment of a scene like this. Usually, I think the asian object/woman would have been very physical and blatant, crawling into his lap and writhing, seeming excessively pleased, etc.

  24. Shazza wrote:

    I’ve not watched Mad Men but I did want to comment on Twilight. Not only racial issues abound but gender ones too. I was quite horrified to hear of mothers using the books to bond with their daughters-realistically would you really want edward to be with your daughter: (spoiler alert) not only does he control who she sees and where she goes, he sneaks into her room every night to watch her sleep. He encourages her to lie to her father and gradually isolates her from any friends she has! I didn’t find their relationship the least bit romantic and hearing them argue over the relationship of Heathcliff and Cathy in Wuthering Heights just made me roll my eyes! I read the first 3 books and just couldn’t muster up the stomache to read the last one. The idea that young girls look upon this as a ‘perfect romance just fills me with dismay. Love isn’t about control.

  25. Miztification wrote:

    @Shazza- I agree with you about Twilight…I did read the series…I read it until the end because I wanted to see where Meyer was going to go with it…I wasn’t really happy with it. I don’t plan to go see the movies, and I definitely couldn’t imagine rereading the books at a later point. I thought I was the only one that found Edward somewhat controlling…I not only find it scary that young girls “look upon this as a perfect romance”, I also find it scary that some grown women look at it that way too. (All that money for the franchise isn’t coming from the young girls…To me, that’s an extremely scary message to pass on to future generations…The packaging might be new, but the message is very old and I’m sorry to keep repeating myself, but the it just really disturbs me…I’ve seen too many women close to me almost destroyed by this type of mindset. I don’t want to see it happen to my niece.)

    I’ve never seen Mad Men either, it didn’t even pique my interest.

  26. Shazza wrote:

    Miztification@ yeah, I generally read the series to see where Meyer was going to. My husband would tease me about the look of horror I would have from time to time while reading. And you’re right, all that money hasn’t come just from young girls but grown women too! I saw a clip from Comic-Com where they featured some scenes from the upcoming movie and that audience was full of women well over 30-shrieking for the lead actor! It both frightened and disgusted me.
    I have yet to see the movies (and I don’t plan to).

  27. 7thangel wrote:

    @ atlasien

    thanks for that link. i was always curious as to how much of the mormon’s teaching and way of life, or any other religions and such, crept into twilight.

  28. dogfish wrote:

    the vampire mythos has always been, to me, a way for supremacists to be able to racially slur entire groups. it might be interesting to note that the seminal vampire story was written by a English man about an East European “monster.”

    a writer who takes the very issues you raise here blatantly and directly, is a Young Man who walks the walk, Eugene Kachmarsky, whose 20 years’ writing career has finally brought him to his first published fiction work, Let Slip the Dogs of Love (Suburban Legends of the Living and the Dead). check it out.

  29. wha...? wrote:

    Some SNAFU at iTunes resulted in Mad Men’s Season 3, episode 3 being available two weeks before it’s scheduled to air. Guess what we can look forward to seeing:

    http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/38366684.html

    The man in question is John Slattery. He plays the part of one of the firm’s owners and has also received an Emmy nomination for his portrayal of the character.

  30. Neville A. Ross wrote:

    @Latoya:

    Without being slightly PO’ed as I was going to be last night in my response to this piece, I will say that I think when it comes to stories like this, Putney Swope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putney_Swope) is more up your alley.

  31. merq wrote:

    Oh Snap!
    Did you see Monday’s episode? I haven’t checked the show notes, but I’m pretty sure the episode title was “Take that, Latoya!”

    Seriously, though. Carla got a good deal of light shone on her for the first time this week.

    And then there was the weird garden party moment…

  32. bupalos wrote:

    I think your critique here is interesting but it relies on a different understanding of what the show is than what comes to me. The things it does best, it does tacitly. It’s like one great big ball of foreshadowing. It gives me such a sense of unease when I watch it, almost every scene is gradually loaded with a kind negative suspense from unspoken themes. I think the racial angle is being built this way.

    It’s like what’s happening with the women, just a little stronger. The women in the show start out solely as the objects of the men. Their characters seem positively shaped by the main men, molded by them. They are not invisible by any means, but that is only because they are not invisible to the men–they are highly visible to them. But they almost only exist by male fiat. This produces instant unease in a viewer who knows this is not what women really are, and that this whole little society is so artificial and filtered it has to crack.

    I think the same thing is at work with the blacks. They are truly invisible (and yet we seem to see black characters quite a bit). They live off screen and are off-screen victims of the on screen action of the main characters. The privileged folk bump into them and knock them over because they don’t even see them. Take the waiter who probably gets fired or reprimanded for being spoken to by Draper, the janitor and elevator operator who get fired off screen for the election party.

    It almost seems like you are calling out an injustice of the show, when this injustice itself is part of the point. It’s just sitting there building off screen, not even half seen, but growing larger and larger. I find it very troubling. It creates a tacit unease that to me is stronger and more meaningful than “creating stories.”

    I think it’s pretty brilliant, and I don’t think you could do this as effectively any other way really. For instance, I found the more open exploration of the gay situations much less powerful when it “came out” in the show, and much moreso when it just silently reflected the real closet experience.

    But I can definitely understand frustration that such great writers (this has to be the best written thing ever on TV) aren’t creating stories for vibrant minority characters. But to me, that just wouldn’t work as well here. It would be more soap opera and less art.