The Surface of Buddhism: Is Buddhism the anti-Islam? [Racialigious]

by Guest Contributor (and frequent commenter) Atlasien

The similarities are fascinating. Buddhism and Islam in the United States are both minority religions with roughly the same number of adherents. Providing an exact demographic breakdown is impossible, and the issue of demographic study is controversial for both religions.

Here’s a good link to Muslim demographics in the U.S. It’s “good” not because I know anything about the site’s objectivity, but because it outlines the difficulties of achieving anything near an accurate count, and it lists multiple poll sources. There are somewhere between 1 and 7 million Muslims in the United States. In terms of ethnicity, about a quarter to a third of them are African-American, a quarter to a third are South Asian, a quarter are Arab and the rest are a mixed bag that includes a sprinkling of American-born white people and European immigrants.

Here’s a link for Buddhists that focuses on a recent controversial poll and does some great data-crunching. There are somewhere between 1 and 5 million Buddhists in the United States. As arunlikhati mentions in the above link, the 2008 Pew Forum Report has a demographic breakdown that’s horrendously inaccurate. They left out Hawaii, and the survey was conducted entirely in English or Spanish. That would be like providing a demographic breakdown of Catholicism by skipping Texas and asking questions only in English and Vietnamese. It’s completely nuts! Unfortunately, since “Pew” has such a strong brand name, the results of this study are going to be floating around for a while.

The Pew poll underrepresents the number of Asian-American Buddhists. A better estimate is that Asian-Americans represent somewhere from 60-90% of all Buddhists. The rest are composed predominantly of white people, plus a mixed bag with small numbers of African-Americans, Latinos and others. Different Asian-American groups that are well-represented in the US are going to have very different breakdowns. Vietnamese- and Cambodian-Americans will have high levels of Buddhism, Japanese-Americans will be medium, Chinese-Americans are all over the map while Korean-Americans are predominantly Christian.

Unlike Judaism and Hinduism, both Islam and Buddhism are religions with explicitly universal application and a strong history of proselytizing. There are strands within or associated with Judaism and Hinduism that do advance universal claims, but I think it’s safe to say that most adherents don’t claim universality as a goal. As a natural but somewhat paradoxical consequence of this universality, Islam and Buddhism have huge internal divides around race, ethnicity, class, immigration and convert status.

I’ll stop here for a second and say that I’m not going to be talking further about Islam as it’s actually practiced and experienced in the U.S., and neither will I be discussing real, lived Buddhism in this segment. Instead, I’ll be listing opposing pairs of stereotypes of Islam and Buddhism from a mainstream American culturally Christian perspective. If the phrase “culturally Christian” strikes you as jarring, it’s actually a pretty simple concept. It reflects the fact that when it comes to cultural institutions, the United States is very much a Christian nation. Hey, I mean this in a sociological sense, not a legal one… I love secularism and I donate to Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. But when you’re raised within a majority culture, you become fluent in that culture’s idioms and ways of making sense of the world, no matter what you believe on an intellectual level. Even if you were raised in a family that never even went to church, you’re almost certainly a cultural Christian. I’m a Buddhist, and I’m a cultural Christian. If I spill a hot cup of coffee on myself, I say “Jesus ****ing Christ!” not “Amida ****ing Buddha!”

For me, cultural Christianity is like a stream I’m standing in. I have to stand inside it in order to live in this society and understand its values and language. I don’t have a choice. It isn’t good or bad, it just is. But I’m also outside the stream, to some degree… I can reach out my arms towards other streams and pools.

As a last caveat for the list of stereotypes, I’m not describing the perspective of certain very fervent and dogmatic strands of Christianity, according to which Islam and Buddhism are equally demonic and indistinguishable from other demonic religions such as Hinduism, Mormonism, Episcopalianism, Satanism, Masonism, Lesbianism, Harrypotterism and so on. This is more of a mainstream, secularly-educated kind of perspective.

Violence:
Islam is very violent. Buddhism is very peaceful.

Proselytizing:

Muslims proselytize aggressively and are intolerant towards all other religions. Buddhists don’t proselytize at all and meld harmoniously with all other religions they encounter.

Body/Mind:
Islam is a religion centered on bodies and seeks to control bodies (submission). Buddhism is centered on the mind and seeks to control the mind (liberation). Visually, Islam is often represented by people bowing in prayer, while Buddhism is often represented by a disembodied head.

Speaking of Heads:
Islam is all about putting stuff on your head: scarves for women and turbans for men. On the contrary, really serious Buddhists shave their heads, and Buddhism is not tied to clothing.

Hierarchy/Egalitarianism:
Islam is a hierarchical, legalistic religion controlled by old, bearded men (Ayatollahs). Buddhism has no hierarchy that reinforces dogma. The Dalai Lama is the Buddhist leader but he doesn’t tell people how to worship.

Religion/Spirituality:
Islam is for people who are religious but not spiritual. Buddhism is for people who are spiritual but not religious. In fact, Buddhism isn’t even a religion.

Race/Ethnicity:

Muslims dislike white people. Black Muslim converts hate white people. White Muslim converts especially hate white people. Buddhism is totally race- and ethnicity-neutral. However, expert Asian Buddhists from Asian countries can act as gatekeepers and legitimacy-markers.

Demand level:

Islam is a high-demand religion that controls every aspect of a person’s life. Buddhism is a low-demand religion and you can pick and choose which aspects to follow.

Gender/Sexuality:

Islam is puritanical, patriarchal and persecutes LGBT people, whereas Buddhism is progressive and welcoming.

Science/Modernity:
Islam is anti-science and medieval. Buddhism is forward-facing and connected to discoveries in psychology and quantum physics.

Reproduction:
Muslims are overly fertile and threaten to overwhelm the nation on a demographic level. Buddhists are subfertile, declining and play the role of global victims.

We could unpack these for a long time and argue over which stereotype is the most inaccurate. However, I think the key is really to ask, what are these stereotypes used for? What do they tell us about the people who propagate the stereotypes? Where do they lead into the future?

A hundred years ago, the clearcut oppositions I listed above were starting to coalesce.

Let’s go back around that time, to when Rudyard Kipling wrote Kim in 1901. I’m edging away from American territory here, but the English imperialism represented in Kim was extremely influential in terms of how Americans came to view “Eastern” religion. If you doubt that, check out this scary article.

I read Kim when I was very young. I read it a bunch of times. It’s an incredibly exciting, colorful, passionate and thought-provoking book. Edward Said wrote a must-read introduction to the Penguin edition. The first few times I read it, I was wholly identified with Kim, the kind of protagonist that children instantly love: poor but destined for greatness, resourceful, adventurous, orphaned and in search of belonging. I also loved the background of India and Central Asia, especially because I’d been there and felt a strong emotional connection. Like Kim, I didn’t really fit in anywhere, and the central philosophical question of the book — What makes a person them? Why am I me? — was also my obsession.

But the last few times I read it, certain aspects of the book started to bother me. I began to stop reading all the way through to the end. Today, I hate indiscriminate use of the word “essentialism” because it’s so often deployed as distancing jargon, but in this case, I can’t think of a better word… I began to realize that all the wonderful, colorful characters in the book were meant to embody certain essential qualities of India and “The East”. I’d taken them for real, but they were starting to look more like puppets. They were not like the real “real” people I knew from my family’s travels in India. They were also totally different from my only other source of representations of Indian people — a stack of Hindu comic books. These were really cool, by the way.

It was also about that time I started processing certain facts of race… for example, that I would never, ever be white, even though my mother was white. I started to understand that Kim was white, and what that meant politically, and how that separated him from the other characters. Even though he was the absolute lowest kind of white — an Irish (and I’m not exaggerating, this is pretty much how Kipling puts it) — he was still white, and that destines him for a promising career in government service. I stopped identifying with him so much.

Kim’s two mentor figures, the Tibetan lama and the “Pathan” (Pashtun) Mahbub Ali, are also representatives of Buddhism and Islam. Both are extremely positive and sympathetic figures. They also get along with each other well. According to this biography, Kipling was a big fan of Muslims, as opposed to the Hindus that he was not so fond of, and his works are full of strong but sensitive Muslim warrior types. Take the lines of this famous poem:

Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the two shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, tho’ they come from the ends of the earth.

Ah, smell that testosterone! Anyway, the “two strong men” in question are the English Colonel’s Son and Kamal, a “Pathan” bandit. People who know nothing of Afghanistan or Pashtuns other than what was written by Kipling (and in his time, this meant almost every European and American) imagined them to be a bunch of awesome freedom-loving ass-kicking supermen.

In the novel Kim, the Tibetan lama is unique figure, a man with a deep understanding of the world who is not afraid of adventure despite his advanced age. For me, a story the lama tells near the end became the true high point of the book:

‘I did not seek truth in those days, but the talk of doctrine. All illusion! I drank the beer and ate the bread of Guru Ch’wan. Next day one said: “We go out to fight Sangor Gutok down the valley to discover” (mark again how Lust is tied to Anger!) “which Abbot shall bear rule in the valley and take the profit of the prayers they print at Sangor Gutok.” I went, and we fought a day.’

‘But how, Holy One?’

‘With our long pencases as I could have shown . . . I say, we fought under the poplars, both Abbots and all the monks, and one laid open my forehead to the bone. See!’ He tilted back his cap and showed a puckered silvery scar. ‘Just and perfect is the Wheel! Yesterday the scar itched, and after fifty years I recalled how it was dealt and the face of him who dealt it; dwelling a little in illusion. Followed that which thou didst see – strife and stupidity. Just is the Wheel! The idolater’s blow fell upon the scar. Then I was shaken in my soul: my soul was darkened, and the boat of my soul rocked upon the waters of illusion. Not till I came to Shamlegh could I meditate upon the Cause of Things, or trace the running grass-roots of Evil. I strove all the long night.’

I don’t have the space to explicate this passage and why it affected me so much, but I’ll point out that the lama’s approach to non-violence is complicated, historically contextualized, and fully embodied. Plus, he’s wearing something on his head.

I hope this literary digression will help establish what stereotypes of Islam and Buddhism have in common and where they start to diverge. They’re both “Eastern” religions. Back in Kipling’s time, they both offered special kinds of benefits, which were accessible or appropriable to special white people. I don’t want to use the word “Orientalist” too heavily, because it has a very specific meaning as well as the more general and theoretical one it has today because of Said’s work. Orientalists were serious scholars. But the kind of access I’m talking about wasn’t restricted to scholars, it was also accessible to anyone who immersed themselves in low art forms like… adventure stories. Today, the method of access to Buddhist mystique retains this dynamic. Kwai Chang Caine from Kung Fu is a prime example. A special white person stands between East and West, and their destiny is to mediate between the two. It never goes the other way around, though. People whose origins are Eastern can try and mediate all they want, but their hybrid destiny is tragic at best and comically pathetic at worst.

Islamic mystique diverged from the pattern somewhere in the 20th century. The value of the white mediator became not so romantic. Racialization of Islam swelled to truly amazing proportions. Today in the United States, the negative stereotypes of Islam I listed above are not just applicable to Muslims; they stretch to Sikhs, Arab Christians, anyone who looks vaguely Middle Eastern. On the other hand, the positive stereotypes of Buddhism do not extend to East Asians! East Asian cultures are still stereotyped as repressive towards women, lovers of hierarchy and haters of individuality, unchanging and ahistorical, superficially clever but not really innovative, etcetera.

What makes an “Eastern” religion? Why is Islam Eastern, even though it’s from the same monotheist tradition as “Western” Christianity? As far as I can tell, the major difference is that Eastern religions hate life. No, seriously. I read Joseph Campbell’s “Masks of God” series of books when I was a teenager — Primitive Mythology, Oriental Mythology and Occidental Mythology — and although I learned a lot from them, they were also very disturbing, because some segments really gave me that impression. I had to consciously block out a large proportion of what I read in those books, or I would have formed an image of myself as a potential death-lover.

I think this death-loving/life-loving divide is an idea that holds huge power among cultural Christians. Suicide bombings are a prime example. The stereotype is that Muslims are suicide bombers because they love death. When I think of this stereotype, the image of a famous Buddhist suicide comes to mind… Thich Quang Duc in 1963. The photo of the burning monk is instantly recognizable, but very few people understand the context anymore. If you ask someone who the monk was and why he burned himself, I doubt many younger people would even know what country it was taken in (I experimented a few times this week), much less that Thich Quang Duc had some very specific political complaints about Catholic persecution of Buddhists. Without context, the self-immolation becomes “something that some Buddhists do…”

Joseph Shahadi emailed me a bunch of fascinating essays on political/religious suicides during the Vietnam War. I’ll just go ahead and quote part of his email:

Buddhist self-immolation-as-protest inspired similar actions in the US during the Vietnam war among people of various faiths. It is little discussed but American Buddhists, Christians and Jews all burned themselves alive during this period to protest the war. The most famous of these was Norman Morrison, a Quaker, who immolated himself in front of the Pentagon. It is worth noting that several American women—and many Vietnamese Buddhist nuns– also burnt themselves alive but they are forgotten, while Thich Quang Duc and Norman Morrison both became icons of the peace movement. Partly that is because the entire American history of the practice has been suppressed out of fear of imitations and partly, I think, due to sexism. The fear that the practice would become widespread the west led to some effed-up criticisms of Buddhism as a “cause” of immolations (Sound familiar?).

The idea that Buddhism is death-loving also has a basis in popular misconceptions of Buddhist teachings. From a heavily dualist, culturally Christian perspective, “Nirvana” is an idea that’s almost impossible to grasp (not that it’s easy from other perspectives). Nirvana ends up getting translated as either Heaven or else true, final Death.

All these stereotypes I’ve been talking about are listed from the perspective of outsiders. Once you convert into a religion, or move towards the inside, a lot of them fade, are transformed or totally recontextualized. No matter where you are, though, you can’t entirely banish them.

I think one important step in the right direction is to expose and ridicule the “East/West” divide. I’m so sick of it, yet it’s almost impossible to have a discussion without reinforcing it. I’m not against generalizations — communication would be impossible without generalizations — but I’m against stupid generalizations, and this is definitely one of them.

Even the archaic Occidental/Oriental strikes me as a preferable distinction, because at least it doesn’t pretend to be geographically accurate. Let’s look at exactly how stupid and racist the use of “Westerner” is in a religious context. A “Westerner” is usually a culturally Christian white European or white North American. White Christians south of the U.S. border are included at the margins. African-American Christians are included as long as they don’t get too carried away with that “Afrocentric” stuff and say that Jesus could have been black. Jewish people are included as long as they’re white and as long as they don’t look or act too Jewish. Other kinds of non-white Christians float in and out. Eastern Orthodox Christians are Westerners except when they call themselves Easterners. Any sort of Native American religion is emphatically not “Western”, even when it’s mixed with Catholicism. Syncretic religions native to the Western hemisphere, such as Santeria, are not Western. Arab or Ethiopian Christians are not Western. Asian-Americans of all religions are Frankensteins.

In other words, use of the word “Westerner,” especially in an American religious context, already ignores, marginalizes and insults a substantial percentage of the population. I’m not dogmatic about this. I realize the term is so widespread that not of course everyone who uses it is being stupid or racist. I just think we should be moving away from it as fast as we can.

In place of “Westerner,” I try to be specific and use Christian, culturally Christian, white, Anglo, Eurocentric or European. And to be REALLY specific, I’m not fond of the word “European” as a geographical term, because why does Europe get to be its own continent? It’s just the western corner of Asia. It should be a subcontinent, like India.

On that cranky note, I’ll end this piece. It’s been rather depressing to survey so many of these stereotypes. I may switch the order of these pieces and instead of Complicity and Conflict talk about something much more positive: the unique perspective and wide-open future of a truly multiethnic Buddhism.

Commenters on this post: can you talk about the kind of positive and negative stereotypes you’ve encountered on your own religious or irreligious journeys, and how you’ve processed and/or rejected them?

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Postscript: As part of the blogstorm I touched on in the first post, The Buddha is my DJ has a great three-part series on white privilege in Buddhism. We’re touching on some of the same topics for totally different audiences: predominantly people of color who are not Buddhists (my series) versus predominantly white Buddhists (his series). It’s an interesting complement.

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  1. Miztification wrote:

    What types of Islam and Buddhism are they giving stats on here? I don’t know a whole lot about either religion, but I do know that there are different denominations/groupings/branches of each.

  2. Maria P. wrote:

    This. All of it.

    Actually, when I am called on to ‘describe Indian culture’, Europe smashed into one country is my metaphor.

    And ‘European Subcontinent’ just sounds awesome.

  3. Abu Sinan wrote:

    Very interesting! The stereotypes you listed are very common, but very untrue, or true in a very limited sense and would have to be gone over with a fine tooth comb and many footnotes.

    It is interesting that you talk about suicide bombers. Most people do not know that before the US invasion of Iraq the most prolific suicide bombers were actually the Hindu Tamal Tigers, followed closely by the secular/leftist groups within the various Kurdish resistance movements.

    The first suicide bomber in the Middle East was actually a Christian female in Lebanon.

    It is amazing how quickly stereotypes dispappear with a bit of knowledge.

    I also find it interesting how the West has completely remade it’s version of Christianity. What was an Eastern offshoot of Judaism has been completely remade in the West to be something Western and almost divorced from Judaism.

  4. Morpho wrote:

    Atlasien,

    Firstly, let me say that this is another thoughtfully written and very informative article. As someone who knows little about Buddhism and Islam, it’s both fascinating and helpful to examine and try to unpack some of these contrasting stereotypes you have listed here.

    Three observations: (1) The Islam as a ‘death-loving’ religion. I agree that ‘Cultural Xtians’ hold on to this inaccuracy, and for many more fundamentalist Xtians I would argue that the same imagery could be applied to them (i.e., ‘Pot, meet Kettle’). Though not to the same degree as a few centuries ago, among the more fervent streams of Xtianity there definitely exists an air of “Believe what I believe, or I’ll hurt you.”

    (2) For the Western/Eastern religion line, I imagine that, from a historical geopolitical perspective, one could say that those religions (and denominations/sects thereof) that were prevalent in Europe, Canada and the US at the end of WWII are “Western,” and nearly everything else is “Eastern” or “Exotic” (like the syncretic Western faiths you mentioned). This arbitrary timeline likely could be moved back considerably.

    (3) Your ‘Westerner’ description really does highlight the inaccuracies of the term, and I appreciate the perspective. Defined as such, I certainly would NOT be a Westerner (b/c I am mixed Afr-Am, observant Jew) from this cultural Xtian perspective whereas geopolitically I am definitely Western.

    (4) For stereotypes on a religious journey, I think the biggest one is that everyone assumes that because I’m a black Jew that it automatically means that I converted. I did, but there -are- natively American-born black people who are born Jewish — admittedly, not very many though. But I bristle at the thought that I just had to have converted, even moreso when other Jews make this assumption.

    A lighter sterotype involves travelling with my non-religious partner, who is from Spain and has a mix of West European and dark Mediterranean, perhaps even mixed Moorish features. If we both order Kosher meals on a flight, flight attendants more often than not will speak directly to him about meal preparation questions and say nothing to me, as if I’m just along for the ride and got a meal just because he did.

  5. atlasien wrote:

    Here’s a link to the first in the series that I forgot to place at the beginning or end of the post:

    The Surface of Buddhism: Introduction

  6. Restructure! wrote:

    atlasien,

    Unlike Judaism and Hinduism, both Islam and Buddhism are religions with explicitly universal application and a strong history of proselytizing.

    How does Islam have a strong history of proselytizing? The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion.”

    I’ve never been proselytized by Muslims despite living in an area where Muslims are well-represented, but I’ve often been proselytized by Christians. I’ve only heard non-Muslim cultural Christians make that assertion while referencing 9/11.

  7. Matt wrote:

    I really appreciate your pointing out just how Christian the US is. I, too, say “Jesus ****ing Christ” or even “Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.” Lately, I also say “oy, gevalt” but it’s something I’m very self-conscious about. I tend not to think of this in terms of “Western,” though. I’ll have to listen closer to how some other people use the phrase.

    As for stereotypes, perhaps it’s because I practice and deal with Buddhism mostly in interactions with other Buddhists, but I don’t see those stereotypes about Buddhism a lot. (At least, not in person. I’m aware of how the Catholic Church routinely calls Buddhism “nihilistic.”) We all know, for instance, how difficult and demanding Buddhism can be – and talk often about the difficulty of keeping a strong daily practice. If anyone said Buddhism was a low-demand religion, I’d be incredibly surprised.

    What I do notice a lot is respect for Buddhism because it’s “old.” Perhaps that one sticks out for me because I know Judaism is twice as old — but “old” becomes some sort of euphemism for “authentic” or “natural” akin to a “noble savage” stereotype (there’s probably a better term more specific to East Asians, but I can’t think of it).

    But enough praise. Let me also say something about Judaism. I’m not sure what you meant to get at, but there’s a common belief that because it’s not evangelical that Judaism doesn’t have concern for non-Jews. Let me make it clear that that’s terribly inaccurate. What’s not universal is pretty much limited to the need to be Jewish and take on the responsibility of the 613 mitzvot. Or, to put it a different way, Judaism is tolerant of other religious beliefs. Otherwise, Judaism stresses universality in a great many ways.

  8. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    This is one of the BEST posts on Racialicious. Very informative and interesting… I really don’t have anything else to say here.

    On that Europe note, I agree. What the hell does EUROPE means anyway? How about Turkey (which is 99% Muslim)… it’s technically European but many White people don’t want to consider it as part of Europe.

    otherwise, great post. I’m so glad I read this today.

  9. JL wrote:

    This is mostly addressing the “stereotypes on a religious/irreligious journey” aspect (and is US-centric):

    I’m a Jewish atheist (an atheist by belief, but ethnically and culturally Jewish, identifying with my Jewish background) of mixed Jewish/non-Jewish parentage. My father is mostly of Turko-Cuban Sephardi Jewish descent, with smaller amounts of Ashkenazi and European Sephardi descent thrown in. My mother is mostly of White European descent (she is also 1/8 Native American, but I think that’s largely irrelevant in this context).

    In the Jewish community, when people hear that I’m part-Latina (the Turko-Cuban thing), they assume that I’m the product of a Jewish/Hispanic intermarriage. It doesn’t occur to them that my Hispanic ancestry IS Jewish ancestry. Most of them also assume that any Jewish person they meet, other than converts, is of Ashkenazi ethnicity (and quite a few have never even heard of Ladino, or Judeo-Spanish, the traditional language of Sephardi Jews).

    In addition, there is a stereotype within the Jewish community that non-Ashkenazi Jews are very religious, and that Jewish atheists and agnostics are all Ashkenazim. Obviously I break with that stereotype.

    Within the atheist community, atheists assume that other atheists are White, or maybe Asian-American. Atheists of other ethnic/racial groups are seen as novelties, and other ethnic and racial groups are stereotyped as more religious than White people (generally to their detriment). Latin@s are stereotyped to be Catholic and devout. I am usually (though not always) read as White anyway, and the fact that I am an atheist means that I am coded even more strongly as White in people’s assumptions, because it is seen by both atheists and non-atheists as a White thing.

  10. Aishtamid wrote:

    This is a wonderful and fascinating post. The most interesting thing to me is that I know Jewish and Christian groups that would fit each negative stereotype of Islam that you listed. It really is all about how the media covers it.

    Abu Sinan made some great points too. Whoever hears about the Tamil Tigers in the American media ever? And yet they have the most suicide bombers in the world.

    I am Jewish and most of my family is Christian (mother converted) so most of my dealing with religious stereotypes involves me educating my mother’s family about Jews. There have been a couple times at parties where people assumed because I was Jewish I must know people in finance so I was asked by random people to hook them up with jobs. Lastly, I encountered one girl who thought her cross necklace would burn through my skin. Unfortunately this was before the twilight/true blood era so I couldn’t take it as a complement.

    Also, I have a couple of friends who are very Islamophobic so I try to get them to chill a bit.

  11. ProduceStand wrote:

    I really enjoyed this article. The steryotypes were spot on, sadly as citizens of “western” nations we find it easier to place these cultures in a box rather than giving them a good look and try to understand them. It’s the “us vs them” nature.

  12. khinky wrote:

    Thanks for another great article! It’s given me a lot to think about and I’m looking forward to the next one.
    One stereotype I’ve come across is that non-Asian Buddhists are free-spirited hippies. (Who may or may not have sold their motorcycles :-p)
    Something else. A friend of mine has been trying to convert me for six years because she is convinced that I don’t actually have “a faith” yet. Apparently my religion doesn’t count unless I believe in some kind of jesus/god/spaghetti monster. I guess it’s an improvement from when she thought I worshipped idols.
    I have a little sister who went to a religous evangelical primary school. For prescribed reading they had a series of storybooks about historical children overcoming difficult circumstances. She came home one day with a book that described her own country and its culture as “heathen” and barbaric. The pagodas were apparently lurid monstrosities. I got so angry, I could’ve killed someone. Haha.

  13. Zahra wrote:

    This is a great piece. I want to spread thee love for the term “cultural Christian.” I often describe myself as such, and it’s heartening to see someone else use it!

    A lot of secular people in the US really bridle at being labeled Christian. The emphasis on belief in doctrine in many Christian sects is part of it, as is rebellion against one’s origins, but I often feel it’s more about refusing to acknowledge their own majority privilege.

    Which people like me HAVE. I wasn’t raised in a church, but previous generations in my family were; I celebrate secularized Christian holidays; and if you dig deeper, a lot of my basic ethical beliefs have a Christian cast. (I still remember the answer my mom gave my six-year-old self when I asked about incest & cousins marrying; it came from Catholic doctrine.)

    For me, calling myself culturally or ethnically or secular Christian is a way of particularizing my experience–naming it more accurately, and not normalizing it at the expense of other traditions.

    I’m also glad to see this comparison of stereotypes of Islam & Buddhism. I have never understood why, when both traditions seem to stand in a similar relationship to this construct of the “West,” with not dissimilar histories of colonialism and appreciable cultural differences, majority US culture treats them so differently.

    When a Buddhist group commits a terrorist act, say by releasing sarin gas on the Tokyo subway or by assassinating the president of Sri Lanka, Americans don’t respond by claiming “Buddhism is a religion of violence!” or the like. These events are are treated as specific tragedies, not part of a larger movement, and are often presented in cultural or national terms. When an Islamic group does something similar, there’s an unmeasured and opposite approach.

    It’s not as though the average American is any more likely to know a Buddhist, or that Buddhism isn’t equally stereotyped in other ways. Why the sharp disjucture?

    I also want to concur with the way this insistance on “Eastern” v. “Western” religion erases Christian communities and history outside Europe & its colonies and obscures the diversity within the religion. It renders invisible not only the Copts, the Armenians, many Palestinians, et al., but the role of Nestorian Christian merchants in the “silk road” trade of Mongol-dominated Asia; the role of Christian majorities within the eastern Persian empire, northern Iraq, and other parts of the Middles East; and the history of Nubia and its surrounding kingdoms. Ethiopia converted to Christianity before the European peninsula did, for God’s sake!

    And down with Campbell! Whew, I’m done.

  14. Colinski wrote:

    Uh… “oriental” and “occidental” from their Latin roots literally mean “eastern” and “western”, so I’m not getting how that could be preferable to “eastern” and “western” (except, as you demonstrate, the average person obviously doesn’t understand the meaning of the words). The use of oriental was originally considered offensive by people of Asian ethnicities *specifically* because of its literal meaning – the exact complaint you have about the west/east distinction.

    Also, Europe is not “the western corner of Asia”, it’s the western end of EURASIA! Asia is not a continent on its own either. Sorry, but you’re being insensitive to the minority. ;-P

    One more gripe (sorry): you put “Pathans” in quotes like it’s an incorrect term, but a quick google search reveals that it’s simply the Urdu and Hindi word for Pashtuns. It’s like putting “German” in quotes because it’s not how the Germans say it (”Deutch”). But that’s just not what English-speakers call Germans. Pathan is not the predominant term used in American English, but the use of quotes seems odd to me. Seems kind of a dig at Kipling as if it’s somehow an “imperialistic” term or something, yet there’s nothing incorrect historically about its use, considering that the English no doubt initially learned about the Pashtuns from the Indians since India was colonized by GB from the coastal areas first not from the west through Afghanistan. Makes perfect sense.

    Poor Sikhs get a bad rap. It’s amazing how the world’s fifth largest religion is confused constantly with Islam even though it is probably closer to Hinduism than Islam (although it adapted ideas from both and is totally distinct from either). The percentage of Muslims that wear turban-style head coverings are so small that any time you see a bearded, turbaned man you can almost say with 100% certainty that it’s a Sikh.

  15. Colinski wrote:

    @Deaf Indian: No, only the Thrace part of Turkey (a small piece) is historically considered part of Europe. I agree, Europe is a weird distinction, but your point is not correct.

  16. Khinky wrote:

    Regarding the “violence” stereotypes, my guess is that this links to depictions of Muslim men versus Buddhist men. Muslim men are usually depicted in the media as more “masculine” (e.g. taller, darker men with beards) and threatening, while Buddhist men, especially monks, are depicted as effeminate.

  17. Fatemeh wrote:

    Atlasien, this is a really great post! I think the exploration of Kipling adds the perfect layer, too. :)

  18. Titanis walleri wrote:

    “Regarding the “violence” stereotypes, my guess is that this links to depictions of Muslim men versus Buddhist men.”
    The fact that Christianity has a long history of conflict with Islam probably plays a part too…

  19. Tarik wrote:

    Thanks for putting together a nice post. There is actually quite a lot of potential here for good discussion on a number of topics. The post helps provide insight towards identifying a subtext for much of this stereotyping of both religions, which is the subtext of modern day hegemony and domination of the “orient” by the imperial west. Glad you included the Edward Said references.

    Whereas for a long time the imperial west (as one might argue is personified today in the modern American “cultural Christian”) may have viewed the rest of the world in terms of “christian” (good) vs “non-christian” (bad), nowadays the more appropriate bifurcation from the perspective of the imperial west is “non-muslim” (good) vs “muslim” (bad).

    In other words, from the perspective of the cultural Christian, Islam is the ultimate Other. Whereas other non-Christian religions (e.g. Buddhism) fall within the grey zone between Christianity and Islam, because they are not Islamic by default they fall within the comfort zone of greater acceptance and affinity by us (i.e. us “cultural Christians” here in the US).

    Thanks again for the thoughts and post.

  20. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Restructure,

    I guess you havent spent a lot of time around Muslims or know much about Islamic history. Islam is a religion well known for it’s attempts to spread the faith.

    This history is often pointed to in a negative light by Islamophobes who claim Islam was spread by the sword, when history show it was spread more by Sufi merchants.

    In Arabic the term is called “Daw’ah” and most mosques have a “Daw’ah” committee dedicated to spreading Islam. If you’ve even been to a mosque when a new convert says the “shahada” (profession of faith) you’ll see how excited such an event gets Muslims.

    “Compulsion” in The Qur’an references forcing someone to Islam, not the active calling of people to Islam.

  21. Ruchama wrote:

    In fact, Buddhism isn’t even a religion.

    I remember one classmate in college who was a lapsed Baptist. She’d frequently bring up some argument like, “Religion is anti-feminist because religion teaches X,” to which I’d respond, “Judaism doesn’t teach X.” (If I’d known a bit more about the different branches of Christianity at that point, I could have told her that plenty of Christians don’t teach X, either.) Anyway, at one point, I was getting bored with always having this same conversation, so when she stated that “religion” teaches some thing, I responded that Buddhism doesn’t teach that. She replied that “Buddhism isn’t really a religion, it’s more of a belief system.”

  22. Donald wrote:

    I come from about as secular background as is possible in a Christian culture. So much so that I do not swear using the name of any diety. Even if I was inclined to it seems rather offensive.
    My first real exposure to it was at school with bible stories and nativity plays and even then I was sceptical about some of it. Not so much the miracles and parables but some of the dogma. It was still the practice to blame ‘the Jews’ for Jesus’s death and I remember thinking “This is nonsense, surely the Romans were to blame”. It wasn’t until I was an adult that I realised that when the bible was compiled it was politically impossible for the church to blame the Romans. I also learnt as an adult that individuals, not entire communities, are to blame for their actions.

    I suppose the main stereotype I inherited was a belief that all religions were a cause of violence and oppression and at best were an unnecessary distraction from the real world. Eventually I came round to the idea that for many people a religious belief system is emotionally important and positive. However I remain convinced that the power of organised religion is rarely beneficial and often dangerous.

    I’ve got to the stage of discarding stereotypes automatically. At best they are an indicator of cultural or religious practice and more often a gross distortion of reality.

    I can’t recall getting stereotyped myself but that’s because in Britain the default for white people is to treat religion as a private matter unless you wear something which indicates your religion. The line between non-observant Christian and atheist/agnostic is very fuzzy.

    My mother gets it occassionaly in that people see her as a Christian until she tells them they are wrong. But that’s because she’s from the generation where being atheist, especially for a woman, was exceptional.

  23. Restructure! wrote:

    Abu Sinan,

    Thanks.

    When I think of proselytizing, I think of Mormons knocking on my door (despite there being way more Muslims than Mormons here), or other Christians giving me flyers titled, “Who is Jesus Christ?” (as if the only reason I am not Christian must be that I have not heard of Jesus Christ, despite living in a culturally Christian nation).

    I have two Bibles and one Arabic/English Qur’an. Some Muslim strangers were offering Qur’ans for free to other people, but skipped me over*, and I had to ask for it. The two Bibles were given in a proselytizing context.

    Since I’ve only experienced proselytizing from Christians (and not from other religious people), I had thought that only Christians proselytized in North America, and that they proselytized because they are emboldened by being the religious majority.

    * (Could it be because I’m the wrong race? I’m East Asian. Sometimes I think my race makes me invisible to people.)

  24. Feminazi wrote:

    Beautifully written article. On a side note, as an Episcopalian, this: “the perspective of certain very fervent and dogmatic strands of Christianity, according to which Islam and Buddhism are equally demonic and indistinguishable from other demonic religions such as Hinduism, Mormonism, Episcopalianism, Satanism, Masonism, Lesbianism, Harrypotterism and so on.” made me chuckle. In college the Evangelicals that proselytized on my (pretty small) campus stopped trying to convert me once I told them I was Episcopalian. Apparently that made me a lost cause.

  25. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Restructure,

    Depending on where you live, you are likely to get pamphlets and other Islamic materials by those walking around looking to find converts. I have seen it done here in DC and Northern Virginia where there is a huge Muslim community.

  26. atlasien wrote:

    Thanks for the comments and the journey narratives!

    Just a couple notes… the “continent of Eurasia” is not taught globally. See this Wikipedia article for details. I think it’s OK to use as reference, unless I hear otherwise, because its listed sources seem common and accepted: “The seven-continent model is usually taught in China and most English-speaking countries. The six-continent combined-Eurasia model is preferred by the geographic community, Russia, Eastern Europe, and Japan. The six-continent combined-America model is taught in Latin America, and some parts of Europe including Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy.”

    I also just remembered an anecdote that goes a long way to explaining cultural Christianity on the level of lived experience.

    About ten years ago, I traveled for a week around Mexico with a Japanese man and a Russian woman. We shared hotel rooms to save expenses. Every hotel we went to had a crucifix on the hotel room wall. Each night before he went to bed, he would carefully cover the crucifix with a T-shirt, and then remove the improvised cover the next morning. He didn’t want to take the crucifix off the wall — that would be disrespectful — so he covered it instead. Otherwise, he explained that going to sleep with the last vision of someone being tortured, bleeding and dying in agony would give him nightmares.

    As for me, a cultural Christian, I didn’t even see the crucifixes. They were just part of the background. I thought of the crucifixes as ordinary, and his behavior as extraordinary. When he explained it, in a very matter of fact way, and it made sense… but before that point, I was totally in the dark.

  27. Danny wrote:

    It can be hard at times explaining what it is like on our religious/spiritual journeys because it is very personal. Not personal as in off-limits privacy but more like hard for those who haven’t experienced something similar to sympathize or empathize. I’m pretty sure others feel the same way, like how we have to adjust to those around us, expecially towards the secular/atheistic mentality. Sometimes, the pressure is there to explain it only on their terms as it is the only logical path.

    It sort of goes back to the frustrations of what it is like regarding deal with those of “privallage” backgrounds. Things have to be explain on their terms, adjusted for them rather than just saying how it really is. Of course, I’m not against trying to rationalize ideas, making them concrete, but it is too limited in several ways.

    I studied a little bit of Islam, Judaism, Bahai and Buddhism since college, for a good 6-7 years now. Sometimes, it only makes sense if you think in the shoes of those who actually live the life rather than viewing it from the outside. I sort of have an understanding or appreciation for those rules of modesty in some religions and the stress for balance rather than the “all or nothing” attitude that is quite often prevalent in Christian-based (Westernize, whatever you all want to call it) cultures. Everyone has a little bit of the extremist all or nothing tide but the Christian-based minset seems more skewered, at least based on my personal experiences and observations with the Evangelicals.

  28. scott wrote:

    atlasien, this is such a good series. Thank you!

    It brings to mind two sources that might be relevant. Unfortunately, I don’t know if they’re online, but they’re both good reads.

    The first is an article by Thomas Tweed called “Why are Buddhists so nice?” which compares media representation of Buddhist and Muslim in the U.S. and talks about a lot of the stereotypes you mention. Here’s the source:
    http://www.citeulike.org/article/2428295

    The other is a collection of essays edited by Donald Lopez titled “Curators of the Buddha.” It’s mostly self-critical academic Buddhist studies stuff (which I geek out on!) but one essay in particular might be of interest. It’s called “Inside the Wonder House” by Stanley Abe and he gives a very scathing critique of Kim, placing it in the context of the European colonial project in South Asia, the control of representations of religion, Asians, Buddhism, and so on. It’s good stuff.

    You can find it on Google books and I think that chapter is one of the ones you can “preview.”

    Thanks again for these great articles.

  29. Reiter wrote:

    Great read. I can only say that to me the tendency of the West to see Buddhism as benign and “white-friendly” is similar to how many white Americans view Asian-Americans as a model minority. Buddhism as a “model philosophy,” as it were. Buddhists don’t try to rock the boat nor are they confrontational, is their thinking, supposedly making Buddhist philosophies more palatable to the West.

    Meanwhile, on the other hand, the West likes to paint Muslims as boat-rockers and confrontational, and thus a religion that preaches contention and violence. The West likes to think that Muslims are the cause of every major conflict in the world and that Islam has at some point clashed with members of virtually every other major religion out there, Christians at home and abroad, Jews in the Middle East, Hindis in the Indian Subcontinent, Buddhists in Southeast Asia and Central Asia (I recall the Taliban blowing up an ancient Buddhist statue in Afghanistan), etc.

    The Buddhists? They’re peace-loving pushover hippies who just take it all in stride and preach non-violence in spite of any violence done to them (kind of like how Asian Americans supposedly won’t speak up when abused, making them easy to keep in line). At worst, Buddhism is seen as the lesser of two evils, but no less a sure path to Hell, using lies of peace and harmony to lure in converts while behind the scenes Buddhists secretly buy out political favors with their ill-gotten money. (Obviously, all of this is greatly exaggerated or just pure nonsense).

    Despite how the West rationalizes it, it will also racialize religions just as well as cultures. Buddhists = “Asian/Yellow/Safe.” Muslims = “Black/Brown/Dangerous.” Again, it all goes back to the whole model minority myth and appropriation, embracing things that seem harmless and familiar while fearing what they don’t (or won’t) understand. Because Asian culture is cool and hip, so too will Buddhism (along with martial arts and its surrounding philosophies) appeal to many liberal thinking whites. Islam, wrongly associated with black aggression and brown hatred for whites, is considered dangerous and a threat to Western values (whatever those may be).

    That’s my take on this disparity, anyway. Raised as a (non-strict and casually observant) Buddhist growing up, I still don’t really consider myself a very religious or even a spiritual person, though this may change as I get older. All the works mentioned in this article have piqued my interest and may just warrant me looking into them, and Buddhism as a whole, much deeper than I have before, thanks!

  30. Jess wrote:

    @Zahra — I think you answered part of your own question. While many non-Western peoples have similar histories of colonialism and oppression, those histories are also quite different in their particulars.

    In a similar vein, both Latinos and African-Americans have experienced oppression, but it was always in very different ways; there was never the Latino equivalent of race-based chattel slavery, for instance. (In fact, those areas where lots of Latinos lived, including what is now Mexico, outlawed slavery, and one of the reasons Texas wanted to separate from Mexico was to institute it.) In some regards the very words I am using make little sense in the context of the 1830s and 1840s, whereas racial consciousness — or better, consciousness of race — was forced on people of African descent.

    I bet you would see very different stereotypes of Buddhism if we were at war with a country full of them. I should say, as one of the old folk here :-) who can remember the leftover cultural detritus from the Vietnam War, one of the stereotypes of Buddhists was a bunch of passive monks who obeyed orders without question, hence the self-immolation. Or as people who didn’t value life, thus the willingness of the Vietnamese to fight the way they did. (The idea that they might be defending their homeland of course, was unacceptable).

    The reason neither the Vietnam War, or World War II for that matter, was not a rich source of contemporary stereotyping in the way the current “war on terror” is now is probably because WW II is over — there wasnt any reason to fear Japanese people or Japan afterward, and it has really started to fade from living memory as people die off.

    The Vietnam war is also over, and the very youngest participants are all in their 50s at least. It’s been a long time, and there’s plenty of other stuff that’s been able to wedge its way into our collective consciousness since. (Like the martial-arts movie fad of the 70s, for instance, the New Age movement, et cetera).

    Also, neither country was seen as an existential threat — by late 1943 it was pretty clear who was going to win. On top of that, Buddhism wasn’t the ideology either war was about. It was, at most, peripheral to people’s understanding of it. (In the case of WW II, it was fighting the Japanese government/people, not Buddhism itself). Nowadays, the War on Terror ™ is all framed about fighting Islam, rather than say, Iraqis or Afghans specifically. There’s also no visible end.

    None of this is to say there isn’t any racism towards Asians anymore, just that the things we see as common steretypes can vary a lot over time.

    Think of this: if you asked most Americans in 1965 what they thought about Islam, they might, if they followed Middle Eastern politics closely, wonder at how close an ally some Arab countries were. But they’d have said the same about Israel at the time, if they thought about it at all (there was a period when the Israeli government had slightly closer ties to the USSR than it would later). Islam just wasn’t a front-burner issue. Communism in Latin America and Asia was.

    Islam doesn’t really start to enter the American consciousness as a threat until 1980 or so, after the Iran hostage crisis. But even then, I spent my early adulthood thinking more about the world in terms of a struggle with the USSR. There are kids in college now who don’t remember it, and when I talk to them I feel like I am explaining something out of ancient history. Yet Communism was a primary fear of many Americans as late as 1989.

    What we see as a threat, or what we stereotype, can change awfully fast, and depends on so many things that can be contingent on stuff that doesn’t seem like much at the beginning.

  31. Christie wrote:

    I usually say that I “have no religion” or “was raised without a religion”, but when speaking to non-Christians or people from outside the U.S., I will often mention that I am “culturally Christian”, as I was raised celebrating the secular versions of Protestant holidays, etc… more specifically though, my family background is a mix of Protestant, Mormon, and “freethinker” (whatever that means…).

    In regards to the current demonization of Muslims, I was interested to read recently in a history book that at some time in the 1800’s (sorry I can’t be bothered to Google it now…), Catholics were very similarly demonized in the U.S. It was thought that Catholics were likely to be planning various dangerous and treasonous activities, etc. Nowadays many in the U.S. view Catholic nuns as kind of cute or quaint looking (I think? – for example the nuns in the movie Sister Act), but who knows, in the past perhaps their habit was viewed with the distrust that is now reserved for women in traditional Islamic dress? It is interesting how two very similar-looking modes of dress are today given such a different reaction by the majority in the U.S.

    I am living in a Buddhist country (Japan), but in fact know little about Buddhism. I think my view on it has changed somewhat from the view I had learned in the U.S., i.e. I no longer automatically think of Thai monks or white Buddhists or that movie with Eddie Murphy in Tibet, or whatever. But on the other hand, its presence in Japan is not immediately obvious to me every day, as an outsider. I tend to think of it as something old and traditional that stays in the background and comes into play for certain occasions (like funerals and New Year’s Eve celebrations). Your post is making me want to find out more about its true presence in people’s lives here… anyway, very interesting post!!

  32. RCHOUDH wrote:

    This is another wonderfully written post atlasien and you’re pretty much on point about the various stereotypes prevalent in the West about these two religions.
    When you mentioned Mahbub Ali and the stereotype he represented it reminded me of all the times I read in the news about those “war loving” Afghans which goes to show how resilient this stereotype about Afghans has been and how it got transplanted into the American psyche from the British.
    Likewise when the West compares the Uigher struggle with that of the Tibetans, it always likes to generalize that the Uighers are prone to violence only because of being Muslim and the Tibetans resist violence because of being Buddhist.

    What you mention about Western religions = life loving and Eastern religions =death loving is interesting to read. What I’m wondering is this: Could the reason that Western religions have come to be known as “life loving” is because they have been reformed to such an extent as to become secularized? Otherwise before having been secularized, both relgions played an important part of their followers’ lives, which they don’t do anymore. Today you have newer denominations in Christianity and you have Reform Judaism. Islam cannot really be secularized the way Judaism and Christianity have and so that’s why you see it continue to play an influential part of its’ followers lives the world over.
    Also in comparison to Buddhism I’m thinking that the reason why it might be labelled as being “death loving” is because of its emphasis on eschewing oneself of materialism. Early Christianity and Judaism also stressed that notion of denying oneself of earthly pleasures in order to obtain the utmost spirituality. Nowadays, certain concepts that were originally religious in nature have been transplanted by the West into a secularist lifestyle. So for example you have the virtues of the Protestant Work Ethic being extolled upon in America, but instead of it being used under a Protestant context, you have it being used under a secularist one.

  33. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Oh and I agree with you the term Westerner is so asinine and degrading. It is meant to imply white Christian (and Ashkenazi Jewish) citizens of Europe, North America, and don’t forget Australia! The Native Americans of both North and South America are never included under this designation (because they are othered like all other non white groups). Minority non white groups are hardly imagined as being Westerners (which is why when people abroad imagine a Westerner they almost always imagine someone blond and blue eyed).
    I don’t even think Eastern Europeans are always considered to be Westerners either, because of both living under Communism for a long time and because there are some non Christian countries in Eastern Europe (like Kosovo and Albania).

  34. Persia wrote:

    I can only say that to me the tendency of the West to see Buddhism as benign and “white-friendly” is similar to how many white Americans view Asian-Americans as a model minority. Buddhism as a “model philosophy,” as it were. Buddhists don’t try to rock the boat nor are they confrontational, is their thinking, supposedly making Buddhist philosophies more palatable to the West.

    Oh, yes, hitting the nail on the head. Reading this essay I was reminded of Richard Nixon writing on the Vietnam war– I can’t remember the exact context or I’d try to link to the source– but one of the things he held was that the self-immolating Buddhist monks weren’t ‘really’ Buddhists, but political activists. Because it was, of course, impossible to be both, in part because Buddhists were ‘good guys’ on some level.