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1. MC v. MNM « 100% Juicy Juice on 04 Aug 2009 at 4:19 pm

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1. Restructure! wrote:

   So why is Mariah denying that the song is about Eminem?

   Because Eminem is a mom and pop, and Mariah is a corporation, so if she admits that it is about him, she is stooping to his level of being obsessed with another celebrity. Yes, it’s obvious it’s a response, but the song also stands on its own without reference to the petty feud.

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 1:18 pm ¶

2. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

   Eminem isn’t threatening violence to Mariah because she’s a woman of color. He has always had violent lyrics toward all women in general, including his ex-wife who was white. Oh, and his mom as well.

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 1:48 pm ¶

3. Iggles wrote:

   I don’t think anyone takes Em seriously!
   He’s being such a little boy about this, throwing tantrums etc. MC’s lyrics for this song and for “Clown” are clever. Eminem is a bitter dude. What happened to the lightheartedness of “My Name Is”? He used to be funny too.

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 1:49 pm ¶

4. Midwayedancer wrote:

   “Or can we just chalk the lack of nuance in the reporting down to the fact that this is a celebrity feud, and that no one really takes either or Eminem that seriously?”

   BINGO. Niether of them have been relevant in pop culture for ages. Who cares about thier little cat fight?

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 2:04 pm ¶

5. Phil Deeze wrote:

   Has Eminem slipped into “angry white man” territory?

   Interesting. Blacks are usually the ones considered to be angry, seething and dangerous, yet, in the olden days, they weren’t allowed to fight in wars because of the belief that, in battle, blacks were cowards that couldn’t be trained to fight strategically.

   So now, Eminem’s this great rapper who borrows Tupac’s style, yet he’s supposed to be something “more” than the genre he’s in. Interesting.

   I think Eminem’s not all that, really. And I liked “8 Mile” the first time I saw it: it was called “Purple Rain.” Britney Murphy, honey, you ain’t no Apallonia, OK?

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 2:32 pm ¶

6. Abu Sinan wrote:

   The real deal here is money. As someone else said, neither of them have mattered in ages. All of this talk about feuds is free publicity and might get some people to buy music they wouldnt have otherwise.

   Nothing more.

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 2:54 pm ¶

7. brownstocking wrote:

   going with poster #4. Eminem has BEEN a misogynist, and I say racist(which folks will debate, fine) from the get-go. There is nothing new to his violence.

   I haven’t even heard MC’s cd, so I can’t weigh in on how “angry” it is, but I think she would stay true to her fizzy-bubbly persona and go light with a response.

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 3:07 pm ¶

8. Thea Lim wrote:

   @ Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist

   Oh no – I wasn’t asking if Eminem was threatening violence towards MC b/c she’s a woman of colour. I was asking about how race and gender affect the way this is being reported.

   Def Eminem writes misogynist lyrics about all kinds of women – he just adds a racist twist when he’s talking about WoC.

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 3:37 pm ¶

9. Thea Lim wrote:

   @ Abu Sinan & Midwayedancer

   Haha I would have to argue that MC is currently pretty relevant…since her ‘05 comeback she’s been doing pretty well on the dance/R&B charts.

   Eminem on the other hand is apparently irrelevant, almost all critics are saying he’s lost whatever magic he once had.

   Of course I am biased…

   Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 3:39 pm ¶

10. N wrote:

    My take on it, and most of what I have read has been on hiphop sites, is that it is seen as a game. IMO thats all it is. And appropriateness aside, Eminem killed Mariah.
    Why is the difference in tone being ignored? Well, IMO everyone I have spoken to considers it a rap battle. Mariah knew what she was up against when she went into it. She lost.

    To a certain extent I think many people just consider it theater. I do. It never occured to me to think of any of what he says as actual physical threats, because it never occured to me that he has any intent other thank talking shit anymore than I thought Bernie Mac saying he would hit someone’s head “till the white meat shows” was an actual statement of intent.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 3:56 pm ¶

11. jvansteppes wrote:

    I’m waiting for Mariah’s new Windex sponsorship.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 4:15 pm ¶

12. Zahra wrote:

    Add me to those who think that this is fully consistent with the way the media has never cared about Eminem’s violent misogyny. If he got a free pass when he was threatening to kill his wife, in the midst of what was clearly a battering situation, I can’t believe anyone’s going to take him to task for attacking Mariah Carey. Whether that’s because she’s brown or because she’s famous and therefore Not a Real Person, I’m not sure; I do think her gender matters a lot here.

    For me this is analogous to the way that women who fight back against men who abuse them are often considered equal perpetrators, and sentenced disproportionately.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 4:32 pm ¶

13. Ejunco wrote:

    I’ve heard the track ” Warning” he still can spit. But all in all they are both acting like idiots, who both need to shut up same with Nick Cannon.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 4:37 pm ¶

14. A wrote:

    I really think they set this up on purpose and go on vacation together and laugh about the money they’re making doing this.

    Throughout the years, whenever a celebrity passed, I would be surprised by who they were friends with, noting their past “conflicts”

    But now I know better. Money is money. Many many celebrities have their celebrity job and then their regular selves.

    I think this is set up just like the Bruno’s butt in Eminem’s face at the MTV Awards was set up. Eminem knows EXACTLY what the rumors are about him and Mariah knows EXACTLY what the rumors are about her.

    And they both are starting to play on those rumors as a part of their jobs.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 4:56 pm ¶

15. AsadaTHEGREAT wrote:

    I tried to reason with this, but he made threats and now it outta the realm of fun and stupid jokes. Her song and the lyrics were hilarious. The Warning is just a threat put to lyrics. Cryptic.

    I feel sorry for any woman who has had to deal with him.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 5:14 pm ¶

16. grifster wrote:

    @N: I don’t consider it a battle at all. And if it were, whether MC lost would be irrelevant. What would be relevant would be the reaaal apparent lack of growth Eminem has had throughout his career. He always “destroys” low hanging fruit like pop stars and sub par rappers. Which, well, is why he’s no longer relevant.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 5:49 pm ¶

17. Just another guy wrote:

    Y’all act like this is the first time Eminem has said anything violent/malicious against any one: woman, man, black, white.

    It’s nothing out of the ordinary for most diss songs in general, and especially coming from him. See: Em vs Benzino, Evidence, any dude during the rap Olympics. Also see: any other rap battle.

    It’s not getting any special coverage because it’s just another celebrity feud.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 7:16 pm ¶

18. Reiter wrote:

    I really wouldn’t take anything Eminem says seriously. Remember all the hooplah surrounding him and his anti-gay sentiments in both his on-stage lyrics and off-stage comments? And then what does he do? He sings a duet with Elton John. Elton. John.

    Did wonders for both their record sales, I’ll bet. This is all just a publicity stunt, pure and simple.

    That said, I still enjoy his music but have long realized that he, and 99.9% of all rappers professing to be hardcore, is just an act to sell albums.

    MC is just playing the same game, folks. Nothing new to see here.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 7:48 pm ¶

19. jen* wrote:

    I haven’t listened to the “warning” yet, and don’t plan to. I wouldn’t mind seeing the lyrics, if someone has a link, but I’ve heard some of them already. And it sounds to me like he’s just proving ‘Obsessed’ to be true.

    Why is he still saying stuff about MC all these years later? And what he’s said seems to just further embarrass himself.

    I think he’s ticked because Mariah’s proved to be more relevant than he. From what I understand, he continues to claim that she was his gf, while she claims that it wasn’t that serious. I think they may both be right – he thought it was more/she thought it wasn’t – and he’s pissed about it.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 8:17 pm ¶

20. n wrote:

    @grifster
    I said MC lost as a way to explain why I think no one is mentioning the apparent difference in gravity of their respective songs. Em said some BS, Mariah came back with a song, Em came back harder. In the sense that he retaliated, it is expected that his response be harder than what he is responding to. So, IMO, ppl think- no big deal, the way things go is that each new shot is harder than the one before it.

    A lot of people I know are excited hoping she comes back at him even harder. I doubt she will, her denial that the video was about him seems to show that she realized just what she had gotten into and regretted not simply disengaging.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 8:27 pm ¶

21. Restructure! wrote:

    Meanwhile, though not surprising, the lyrics to The Warning are extremely violent and misogynist. There’s very little humour to be found there.

    I checked out The Warning now, and how is it violent? He’s just threatening to expose the evidence of their sexing.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 9:07 pm ¶

22. Thea wrote:

    @Restructure!

    I guess it is all subjective how we define violent, but I interpret lyrics like (and my apologies for repeating these fairly vile things in an anti-oppressive space), “Bitch shut the fuck up” and “You better shut your lying mouth” to be violent.

    Posted 04 Aug 2009 at 11:19 pm ¶

23. AS wrote:

    This definitely started out as a publicity stunt for Eminem. He released Bagpipes From Baghdad to less than rave reviews. The rhymes were weak at best, but mostly whack. The beat was lame. Worst of all, the title got the listener’s hopes up thinking that Em had come back with a dope, relevant political rap (I happen to think the guy can spit). What did I get instead? I got a rap about a relationship that ended when the Twin Towers were still standing (no exaggeration). Nobody cared about their relationship even then. Critics and fans heard it and the general sentiment was that Eminem had been out the game too long, he lost his skills, and was now irrelevant.

    For some reason, Nick Cannon thought it would be wise to speak on this. Yes, Mariah is his wife. But, Nick Cannon is synonymous with corny. When he threatened to ruin Eminem’s career, the “beef” became a story because people scoffed at Nick before they erupted in laughter. What does he do again other than carry Mariah’s luggage?

    The truth is that Mariah never stood a chance in all of this because just from a logistical perspective, she does not have the means to reply as rapidly as he does. To make an r&b song you have to compose the musical arrangement, write lyrics, layer the music onto a track, record all the vocals, lay the vocals over that, and to shoot a video costs hundreds of thousands of dollars an takes a lot of time (at least a real, non “just for YouTube” video does) to put together. A rapper can spit a hot 16 (or try) over a ready made beat and put it on the internet in a matter of hours. Jay-Z put out Superugly almost immediately after Ether out. Mariah cannot respond fast enough. Also, Mariah has an image to maintain. She can’t use the same language as he does.

    By responding to him, she made it an actual beef. Now, he hits back and she is not capable of responding, so he wins by default. It’s just as well anyway because beef is what Em, and his boy Loose Change (50), does. Mariah should have just gone on Wendy Williams, opened the interview by singing the chorus of “Stan,” Wendy would have asked about it, and Mariah should have said something like, “who? Eminem? Oh, you mean the irrelevant, washed up white dude? Yeah, well, that was pre-9/11. Let me stop! Nah, Wendy, he was a groupie and you know I love my fans, so I upgraded him to jump off in 2001, but that lasted a couple of months. I guess he was hoping I would wife him or something. I ain’t Kim. But, it’s not quite as disturbing as I thought it would be to have a stan.” Period.

    I don’t think the media have ignored his misogyny any more than they have that of other rappers. Almost all rappers are unabashedly misogynists or at least do a good job pretending to be. Eminem got attention for being violent towards women in his songs, but that was in the beginning and the shock value wore off. It just became part of his schtick. Then it sort of made him look like a pathetic, bitter guy, especially when he kept remarrying the woman he claimed did him wrong and was a malignant, hateful whore.

    As for his homophobia, I am not willing to concede that he isn’t more homophobic than your average person. However, his liberal use of “fag” or “faggot” in his songs is not an accurate metric of his attitude toward gay people. He only uses it so much because he cannot use “nigga.” He can get away with being homophobic because that is also an accepted form of behavior for rappers, but he had a hard time weathering the storm of accusations of racism when some early tracks of his were unveiled. It is hard enough that he has to carefully negotiate loving and making rap music along with complaints of appropriation of culture and very valid complaints that he gets played on white/rock stations whereas any other rapper who use the same producer he does does not get similar airplay. So, he mitigates the inaccessibility of “nigga,” which your average rapper relies upon heavily because the music is heavily narrative, by using “faggot.” He trades one slur for another because it is all he has. Believe me, if he could get away the more “authentic” “nigga,” which he probably thinks he should be able to use because he identifies more with rap/black culture and feels more “at home” there, you would probably hear “faggot” used in four or five of his songs. He is not fixated on gay people like that, he uses the substitute he has in order to build his narrative music around a word he can consistently use which then allows him to keep a general rhyme scheme in mind. I do not know if people think about how important “nigga” is to a rapper. It is almost the foundation of your average rap song because its consistent use allows for an almost built in rhyme scheme. The .44 caliber gun is not nearly as popular in terms of actual use, but it appears in lots songs because it rhymes with “whore,” “more,” “floor,” “door,” etc. (”Kick in the door wavin’ the .44/all you heard was ‘Poppa don’t hit me no more’”). Let me say that I do not think that not being able to use “nigga” is an acceptable “reason” (if one even exists apart from the portrayal of a fictional character or representation of a real person who used it) to use a such a hateful word. I am just saying that there is a purpose or rationale, however loathsome. Personally, I think that someone who earns millions of dollars for rhyming should be forced to be more creative than that and I think homophobia is…I don’t even have the words to convey how dimly I view it. I don’t want anyone to think I am okaying what he does.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 12:19 am ¶

24. Restructure! wrote:

    @Thea

    What do you think of

    ‘Cause if you run your mouth and brag about this secret rendezvous
    I will hunt you down

    Isn’t that more threatening/violent?

    By the way, I think Em is probably telling the truth here. Premature ejaculation? You can’t make that shit up.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 12:34 am ¶

25. Kaonashi wrote:

    I think that she and Nick should have kept the high road and ignored him. Instead, she gave him the two things he wanted the most from her: validation and attention.

    I think they may both be right – he thought it was more/she thought it wasn’t – and he’s pissed about it.

    I think you hit it right on the head. Having your lover end things when you’re still mad about them is absolutely gut renching. To have them do it and then completely deny the fact that you were even together takes it to a whole new level, so his initial bitterness is more than understandable. Holding on to those emotions years, boyfriends and husbands later crosses over into obsession. Most emotionally healthy people eventually come to the realization that someone who would completely deny dating you isn’t really someone you shouldn’t waste another second of your life thinking about and go on with their lives. However, Eminem is not a emotionally healthy individual. This is his way of making himself a part of her life–whether she wants him there or not. It forces her to pay attention to him. Every time Nick says something about him on Twitter feeds him. Every time she’s forced to talk about someone who hasn’t been relevant in her life for a long time feeds him. It doesn’t matter that more than likely both Mariah and Nick probably want him to fuck off and die at this point and the attention is negative. It’s still attention and anything he can get from her feels good.

    I see this as more of a gender issue than a race one because once again it reinforces the belief that women do not have the right to decide who they want (and don’t want) in their lives.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 4:11 am ¶

26. Fiqah wrote:

    @Kaonashi:

    I see this as more of a gender issue than a race one because once again it reinforces the belief that women do not have the right to decide who they want (and don’t want) in their lives.

    Preach. I think that this sentiment is what makes Eminem’s continued viciousness towards Mariah Carey, as Thea astutely noted, fundamentally sexist and violent. Even at its most benign, that idea is disturbing. (There’s also the fact that a grown-ass man SHOULD be emotionally mature enough to recognize that an ex has the right to be happy without him in her life in any capacity…but okay.)

    All of this has served to reiterate the fact that Mr. Mathers reserves a special type of vitriol for all those mean women out there who hurt his widdle feelings (remember Christina Aguilera?). I keep waiting for him to shriek, “I will not be IGNORED, Mommy – I mean, Mariah!” all “Fatal Attraction” style. Yeesh. Save it for your therapist, homie.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 8:28 am ¶

27. merq wrote:

    @Thea

    Or can we just chalk the lack of nuance in the reporting down to the fact that this is a celebrity feud, and that no one really takes either Mariah or Eminem that seriously?

    Bin. go.

    Nuance has no place in celebrity gossip.

    But yeah, I do find it odd that everyone thinks she’s responding only to “Bagpipes”, when in fact, she’s responding to seven years of trash-talk from this dude. I mean, SEVEN YEARS?? I wondered how nobody remembered how he talked shit about her for that long, then I figured it was probably because all his albums sound the same, and people have forgotten they were separate releases. Funny how I’ve been yelling that shit for years, and critics are only JUST realizing his arrested creative development with this album.

    As a Time critic brilliantly put it:

    Eminem sounds like a man with a reputation to uphold, a lyric book to fill and a stack of Us Weekly magazines nearby.

    Dude’s the poster child for “wasted talent.”

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 8:31 am ¶

28. N wrote:

    I will speak on the issue of Eminem’s obesession. He may be obsessed with her, he may simply be very very very pissed off about being publicly made to look like a liar. I know plenty of people who have beaten a dead horse not because they cared about the issue at hand (”I had a relationship with Mariah”) but because they resented being made out to look like a liar, and not just a liar but IF they did have a relationship that lasted for a few months, her blowing it off makes him look like a pathetic liar who made up stories about sleeping with her just to get some of her fame. Thats worse than just being a liar.

    All she had to do was say, “Yeah, we had a thing.” and LET IT GO.
    In this case, he is smarter than she is. He came to the table and opened with her potential attacks on him- in all that time we only had sex once, i came too quick and it wasnt all that.

    If she had said, “Yes, we did have a fling. I downplayed it because I wanted to keep my private life private, but yeah I was into him for a while and it was fun but it just didnt work out.” she wouldn’t be both insulting him by implying that he is a liar and that being into him (ergo HE) is shameful.
    While I KNOW male female dynamics make a difference, if it had been the other way around we’d see what she did as the slap in the face that it was . Where I live, if you “shoot someone to the left”, prepare to be hated for the end of all time. To have a relationship and publicly deny it especially if the other person isn’t aware that you are doing so, and have them looking like BooBoo the fool? Its unforgivable.

    I’m not saying its right or I agree, but I think thats the mindset we’re seeing at work.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 9:55 am ¶

29. jen* wrote:

    @merq – thank you. This stuff has been going on for years and it’s just been under the radar.

    @n – everybody who cared knew they had a fling while it was happening. Mariah’s fans knew who she was talking about on ‘Clown’ [which wasn't released, but is on Charmbracelet]. So it’s not that she denied ever hanging with him – just that they didn’t have sex. Which I believe is her prerogative.

    But Em wanted to take it to this level. That crap he said on BfB is the stuff that was violent [to me]. It was scary. The ‘Warning’ just sounds like he’s finally cracked – throwing out the details that make it seem even more like he’s the one who’s sprung, and for her it wasn’t that serious.

    I’m definitely thinking this is about gender. Can’t she blow somebody off if she wants to? Why is it all about how she should just ignore him, and let it go, or just admit they had a relationship when for her it really wasn’t one? Dudes do that crap all the time, and when a lady gets het up about it they call the movie Obsessed.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 11:35 am ¶

30. Big Man wrote:

    Beef is nasty. Hell, some folks would say beef isn’t what you do on the mike.

    Em’s song was crazy raw, but it’s not like Mariah’s song wasn’t raw as well. The difference is that they attacked each other from their male and female point of views, at least in my mind.

    Mariah attacked Em’s masculinity, his virility and ultimately his sexuality. She did so in a “joking” manner, but that’s what she was doing.

    Em attacked her purity and honesty in the most graphic terms. He didn’t pull any punches and was willing to abase himself to score points.

    You could argue that Mariah was the victim because Em started this whole thing, but in my mind, neither of them is a victim.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 11:50 am ¶

31. Sean wrote:

    “… but in my mind, neither of them is a victim.”

    Exactly. Jeez Louise… Marshall is 37 and Mariah is what? 40? It appears that big glasses of ‘grow the f-up’ need to be chugged all around.

    [and here's the report on your morning commute: the low road is jammed with bumper-to-bumper traffic, but there are no vehicles on the high one - so you might wanna use that one as an alternate route.]

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 3:13 pm ¶

32. N wrote:

    @Jen
    I don’t know that they didn’t have sex. I don’t know that they did.

    I know that in a situation where one person publicly says they have had a Relationship and the other says it was nothing, the one being denied may often be pissed off.

    I don’t know that he isn’t obsessed with her, or if he is sick of people saying this is all about him being sprung and just a plaything for her, when he knows that there was more too it than that.

    I do know that men do it to women all the time, sleep with em on the sly and then in public pretend they have no idea who they are. Then when the woman calls or shows up at the house or speaks to them in public they tell their homies and business associates and WOMEN that “she’s just some chick who wants me, the bitch is crazy and obsessed with me, shes a stalker.” I think if its hurtful and foul and wrong when done to a woman its the same when done to a man.

    I’m not saying he should do what he is doing, but that anger at being dismissed seems to be applauded when women feel it. Hell, in pop culture it seems like women are always “blowing up someones spot” sending the wife and the friends and everyone pictures and emails and stuff to prove that something indeed happened when a man denies a relationship.

    NOW, I don’t approve of ugliness. But I once ignored an old lover publicly and refused to acknowledge him simply out of spite. In the olden times it was called a “cut” and to be cut or snubbed, to be treated as a nonentity is a pretty big insult. And if I had gone as far as to contradict his telling of the story, when I later found that he had referred to me as his ex when speaking to mutual friends, I would have fully expected to have naked pics or my old panties displayed publicly. NOT because he gave a damn about me, but because I tried to make everyone think he was a liar and a stalker and a fool.

    It may not be right, but I think that is the code he lives by and its not entirely fair to judge his actions by another code.

    In my world, it isnt the person who matters in this case, its that someone has made you out to be a liar.Its that someone who is complicit is pushing all the blame and shame on you and trying to stay clean and above the fray. Its a betrayal. And men and women react the same way.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 4:01 pm ¶

33. bertie wrote:

    I honestly don’t see a great difference in either song. Just cause Mariah’s is set to a R&B beat; don’t let the smooth taste fool you. Both her and Em’s songs serve the exact same purpose …and that is to discredit the other.

    To me Mariah’s obsessed song and video basically employ the old “pyscho b@$ch” tactic men often use to discredit women they are embarrassed to admit they either had a fling with, dated or were into. As in “I don’t know why she’s acting like that or lying saying we dated….that B@#$h is pyscho/stalkerish/obsessed…don’t believe a word she says.” This tactic is no less problematic coming from a woman and set to an R&B beat than when it comes from a man.

    There’s a wierd moral equivalence game being played in this post. To me, both stooped to the other’s low level by engaging in this wack ass beef . Neither is better than the other. Em would get points for at least being honest (?I guess?) about what happenned and his intentions…but he loses all points for being sexist and generally lame. Mariah tries to mask her true intent behind its all jokes and/or it’s not about him….and that gets the womp womp as well.

    Posted 05 Aug 2009 at 4:25 pm ¶

34. Lxy wrote:

    Exactly. Jeez Louise… Marshall is 37 and Mariah is what? 40? It appears that big glasses of ‘grow the f-up’ need to be chugged all around.

    Heh. 30 years from now, this beef will still be going on.

    And Eminem and Mariah will still be cranking out songs that lambast each other … albeit from the retirement home.

    Something for fans of both artists to look forward to.

    Posted 06 Aug 2009 at 2:23 am ¶

35. Rick Gershman wrote:

    Sean noted: Marshall is 37 and Mariah is what? 40?

    Exactly. This has nothing to do with race, from any evidence to date, and everything to do with two star pop artists who regardless remain in emotional infancy.

    I do like Eminem as an artist, generally, and I’ve enjoyed many Mariah Carey songs. But this whole matter has left me with a great distaste for both. Grow up, already!

    And while Mariah certainly seems childish (and hasn’t she always seemed rather creepily adolescent?), Eminem comes off as not even far more childish but WAY more classless.

    Mariah’s not into you anymore (if ever), so you’re going to issue a song packed with insults and vulgarities? Gee, Eminem, that’s one hell of an example to set for your 13-year-old daughter. (It’s not like that’s an impressionable age for determining how to act or anything.)

    Posted 06 Aug 2009 at 11:43 am ¶

36. anonymous wrote:

    This isn’t about race, it’s about an immature and obnoxious man who hates women and homosexuals. He’s mad for various personal reasons and instead of acting like a rational adult and moving on or taking private action to solve the problem, he’s airing everyone’s business, like he always has. The guy needs therapy. I think it’s kind of lame for Mariah to make a song about it in retaliation, it’s bringing herself down a few notches and she doesn’t need to do that. Oh well.

    Posted 06 Aug 2009 at 6:35 pm ¶

37. J wrote:

    I’m no expert but I have listened to a fair number of Eminem songs. It seems like anyone he doesn’t like gets threatened with violence in his lyrics, so I’m not sure this has anything to do with race, gender, or sexuality. Not to say he doesn’t have issues with misogyny and homophobia – because I think he does – but I think the anger and violent imagery that occupies his mind is a separate issue. Or it could all be an act to sell music…

    Posted 07 Aug 2009 at 10:05 pm ¶

38. NeNe wrote:

    So, I think the feud is stupid, yes. Also, I don’t listen to Eminem. But the other day, while I was volunteering at a GBLTQ youth center, one of my youths decided to play one of the Eminem songs for me. And to be blunt, I was disgusted.

    See, what disgusts me about Em is that he hasn’t really learned from his predecessors — or even himself. He USED to be funny in his disses, but what got him attention was his sexism comments in extremis, homophobia, etc. However, he’s not growing from it. Understanding that there are different ways to garner attention. Indeed, negative attention is a flash in the pan… and here he goes again with it.

    I mean, exactly WHY are they beefing with each other?

    Mariah is not a footnote. Since Mimi, her albums have been getting better and doing really well. She creates her own buzz and doesn’t need this, really. I don’t understand why she is following it up. Unless she is bored… and creatively tapped… or doesn’t really wanna write all those love songs inspired by her new hubby.

    In the end, I am going to just… ignore it. If watching the video means I cannot escape Mariah’s playing with it, then I won’t watch the videos.

    … I have never felt more… “adult” in my life… ignoring something just because it isn’t really that interesting. Wow.

    Posted 08 Aug 2009 at 4:53 pm ¶

39. GoddessAries wrote:

    I think its funny how Mariah says the song “Obsessed” Isnt about Eminem. The guy looks like Em, Moves like Em but isnt Em. In an article on theboombox.com posted online July 31st, 2009, Carey denies the person she is dressed as in the video is Eminem, saying she believes she looks like her cousin in the hooded sweatshirt and goatee. Answer this then if the guy in the hooded Sweatshirt and goatee is your cousin then why sing “last man on the earth still couldnt hit this” is she incest? also she sang this in her song, All up in the blogs
    Saying we met at the bar When I don’t even know who you are” Wouldnt she know her own cousin? or maybe I am the only one who sees this

    Posted 17 Aug 2009 at 4:03 pm ¶

40. Kris wrote:

    I think Mariah’s come back to Eminem is smart. her song obsessed is on the radio all the time and no one even hears the song warning. she def. won that battle no matter how violent his lyrics are. lol

    Posted 08 Sep 2009 at 1:08 pm ¶