Commenting on the News

By Guest Contributor shani-o, originally posted at PostBourgie

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Have you seen this story? It’s an lengthy piece by Gloria Campisi for the Philadelphia Daily News about a group of black workers at a city trash facility who are suing over racially segregated bathroom and water facilities. And apparently, these workers have been filing complaints about racism since 1999, with no investigations or follow-ups from the city.

Lawrence “Lonnie” Powell, 58, a semiskilled laborer at the city’s Northwest Transfer Station, in Roxborough, said that since he began working at the trash-handling plant in 2003 he has had to seek the superintendent’s permission to go to the bathroom — then descend five flights of stairs to use it.

Powell, who is black, said that white employees have been permitted to use a bathroom just 25 feet from his work station.

“On several occasions I’ve actually defecated on myself, trying to get down to the bathroom,” said Powell, who operates a machine that packs trash into tractor-trailers to be taken to landfills.

Among those allegations is that for several years Gill has kept a “supervisor’s bathroom,” one flight up from Gill’s office, that “only the white employees were allowed to use…whether or not they were supervisors,” Powell wrote in an affidavit last month.

“Quite often, while I’m up there, I could be sitting in my booth, and I see white guys going into the bathroom,” Powell said in an interview. “They walk right by the door and go right in the bathroom there. That’s maybe 25 feet away from where I’m at.”

But when he has to go to the bathroom, he said, he has to go down to Gill’s office to get permission, then descend five more flights.

Two other black workers, Gibson Trowery, 55, and Leslie Young Jr., 51, filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission in October 2007 and a lawsuit in January alleging discrimination by the city and infliction of extreme emotional distress by Gill.

Howard K. Trubman, a Center City attorney representing the black workers at the station, said that the law permits Trowery and Young to take their case to court because the PHRC did not rule within a year.

But black workers had complained in writing about what they considered racism at the station as far back as 1999, Young and Trubman said.

In August 2007, Powell aired the black employees’ grievances in a meeting with Gill and Streets Department Deputy Commissioner Carlton Williams, who then ordered Gill to open the supervisor’s bathroom to everyone, court documents show.

That meeting came three days after a job action on Aug. 17, 2007, in which no African-American employees at the station reported for work. The workers still refer to the protest as “Black Friday.”

Powell said that he later saw a black employee, who had been promoted to a supervisory position, using the “supervisor’s bathroom” several times.

But that didn’t last, and that employee went back to driving a truck, Trubman said.

Reading the comments on stories like this is often an exercise in patience. News stories about race, women’s rights, homosexuality, and Obama seem to attract bigots like flies.

When I read the piece this morning, there were 27 comments on it. Two had been removed, presumably by the editors. As I scrolled down, there were comments like “these men should be ashamed of themselves for bringing frivolous lawsuits against hard-working, upstanding men like Mr. Gill” (paging 1954!). And, “That guy should get Depends, they make them for both whites and blacks.” And, “I don’t know who’s worse, Campisi for writing this story, or the Daily News for putting it on the front page!” And, “Why do blacks want to be babysat??” These are, of course, paraphrased by yours truly, because while the comment section was closed by the time I got there, it has now been completely deleted.

G.D. tells me that the Philadelphia Daily News is right-leaning, like most metropolitan tabloids (think New York Post, or the cover of today’s Trentonian), so I’m not surprised by the vitriol in the comments about a story about blacks taking action against racism. But I am surprised by the decision to not allow the comments to be viewable, if not remain open.

Did the outright racism in the comments section make the editors uncomfortable?

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Comments

  1. Marcy Webb wrote:

    I was tipped to this story last week, and really makes me believe that the Civil Rights Movement never reached certain communities.

    I was talking with a good friend who resides in suburban Philadelphia. She told me that while there is a large, conservative enclave in the western part of the state, there also appear to be pockets of the same in and around Philly.

    I am of the mind that with newspaper message boards there should be comment moderation, similar to that which many blogs exercise. That said, I believe that the merging of blogging, i.e. message boards on newspapers and journalism is a proverbial slippery slope, and just doesn’t seem to work. Unless the newspaper has worked really hard to create a culture that promotes intelligent civil discourse, I am of the mind that newspapers should do away with their comments sections. I also have my own opinions re: online newspapers, but, that’s not the subject of this post. :)

  2. jen* wrote:

    It wasn’t until I moved away and started reading the paper online that I realized how bad the racism in Augusta (GA) is. The comments there are regularly horrible, generally blaming all the woes of the world on POCs, but black people in particular. And of course there is that cute little adaptation “Demo-rats” that so many of them like to use. (The editors must not care about how racist people get in the comments, cuz they rarely censor anything and I’ve never seen them delete a whole comment section.)

    I don’t read the comments on newspapers anymore. Or news at CNN, HuffPo, CommentIsFree – whatever. In fact, I only read comments on moderated blogs, because I don’t have the stomach to ruin my day on some idiots who just want to start a flamewar.

    So…I guess this is a thank you for the moderated comments here. Thanks, R!

  3. Evan wrote:

    In response to Jen,

    You haven’t seen virulent racism until you lived in Boston, Philly, Detroit, Cleveland or any other northern city. Augusta, Georgia is downright bucolic compared to the severe racial divisions that exist in urban industrial wastelands of the North.

    As a side note…there is a massive of reverse migration of African-Americans to Southern cities and rural locations. There’s a good reason for this trend.

    I grew up in the Detroit, Michigan area. When I was a kid, I frequently heard the “N” word used by my white neighbors, friends, and business owners. Random people in my high school would come up to me and say that I have “N” hair because my hair was curly. When our junior high school had its first black student, this caused quite a raucous with the student body.

    This stuff happened in the late 1980s. I highly doubt attitudes from working white class Michiganders have changed much today. This is why I will never move back to the state of Michigan. Too much anger directed at the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

  4. Paz wrote:

    I realize that there will always be ignorant/racist/hateful/bigoted people, and the Internet allows people to anonymously vent with no reprecussions, but seriously — how can people whine about a lawsuit against segregation? The bigotry of people just baffles the mind.
    And regarding the news item — HOLY HELL! How is this possible in this day in age?

  5. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    I always avoid reading comments whenever I’m on Youtube, Huff Po, or any other news websites. People are such fucking idiots and usually have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion.

    I can’t even bloody watch a classic Bollywood music video without reading an idiotic comment about how INDIA SUCKS!!! and that PAKISTAN RULES!!111

    Hence, I do NOT give a fuck what people think or have to say on a particular issue. If I wanted to hear what people’s (intelligent) opinions were, I’d come to blogs like Racialicious.

    So yeah.

  6. Michele wrote:

    Not surprised by the comments at all. It never ceases to amaze me how the must mundane story can be turned into something racial. This story is obviously about race and discrimination. I honestly expect the bigoted comments. Its the stories that have no real racial element to them that get to me. I have seen so many stories they are race neutral, public interest or feel good stories that get turned into some kind of race war in the comments section. For example, at a local news program website there was a story about people being able to park in downtown Raleigh for free all day if they had a handicap sticker. The story featured a white anchor throwing to a white news reporter talking to white shop keepers and talking to a woman, that was white, about using her dad’s sticker all day. It took about 3 comments before someone starting talking about black people abusing handicap stickers and sprinting across the street at top speed. People love to bring up race and class no matter the issue.

  7. jen* wrote:

    @Evan – You’re right that I don’t know what it’s like in those cities. I know what it’s like in Augusta cuz I lived there most of my life. And I suppose you could use the term bucolic – in that the town still has a country vibe – to describe Augusta, but it’s certainly not idyllic.

    My point is that the comments on the newspaper message boards for the Augusta Chronicle are pretty much the same as those on the message boards for national news, and big northern city newspapers: stupid, racist, and awful.

  8. bubbles wrote:

    As a Philadelphia native, I am sadly aware of the Roxborough area, and its reputation for being one of the most racist enclaves in the city. This is an area of the city that has resisted integration until its last breath. The area high school routinely goes through problems between area students and those that travel from other parts of the city.

    This isn’t to say that other parts of city don’t face similar issues, they do. but Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods, with its residents having die hard allegiances. But I wonder how different it is from NY C or DC where lines are moreso drawn among class.

    And yes, the Daily News is a rag. Both a little right wing and low brow. It’s readership is similar to Fox News, but crosses all racial lines.

  9. Kendra wrote:

    You are right about comments on articles reporting happenings with the Obama family. I read one article that discussed the emergence of sludge in Michelle’s organic garden which was caused by the use of pesticides during the Clinton administration. The comments went from bad to WTF in seconds. The somewhat positive comments always got terrible ratings . . . and I’d think to myself, how can people be so damn mean? You can’t even say something nice about Obama or his family . . . it’ll just send people into a rage. I dare not mention his daughters, that’s for sure.

    I really think things got worse because Obama made a statement concerning the incident with the Harvard professor. It wasn’t even much of anything . . . the media response probably made things unbearable b/c news station like to recycle and echo things which are unimportant.

    But yeah . . . with the immediate negative responses (it’s only been 6 fucking months!) and this economic crisis . . . we’re in dire straits.

    Look how post-racial we are . . . I swear, most of the people who voted for Obama were just lying to themselves if they thought this proved how un-racist they were. We all have that kind of potential to varying degrees, but this is just ridiculous . . .

    I feel bad for that man who was forced to defecate on himself while traveling to the “blacks only” bathroom. I know how embarrassing it is to piss on yourself trying to make it home. If people can’t offer an ounce of empathy or even sympathy for these circumstances then I can’t help them.

  10. Winn wrote:

    I have learned to avoid the comments section on most sites I visit. While there is a often a decent mix of respectful and/or funny with whackjob on sites like Salon or HuffPo (depending on the story), on other sites (CommentIsFree is an egregious example) the comments can turn your stomach. The idea of common ground and mutal respect is ground to dust after only a couple of minutes scrolling through idiocy and vitrol on these sites. If anything, seeing the viciousness and gleefulness with which those cloaked in online anonymity sling their racial animus, it has only made me more militant and much less conciliatory. Post-racial my black ass.

  11. Pickly wrote:

    Another “I avoid the comments on newspapers” comment here.

    I’m not sure how much of it has to do with racism trends in particular as opposed to the tendency of internet sites to bring out assholes in general. (Entertainment related sites seem to attract a lot of junk comments as well as political ones) It seems any site that is well visited and poorly moderated is going to have cesspool comment sections (with racial comments being on of the many types of junk being attracted.)

  12. Pickly wrote:

    (The previous post seems written somewhat poorly, so this one is to hopefully make it somewhat clearer.)

    The idea behind the above post is that, say, if income inequalities, sentencing inequalities, etc., had significantly improved, the junk newspaper posts would probably still be there unless racism was very, very, thoroughly discredited as an opinion to have.

    Also, the post was not about something related to race, sex, etc., the internet posts would still pretty much be junk. (So the point is not to dismiss that people are racist, but to argue that internet comments are likely a poor measure of how things are doing outside the internet.)

  13. Druk wrote:

    So wait…are none of these guys even looking for a job elsewhere? Really? Why would you put up with that crap (sometimes literally) daily??