What’s Wrong With This Picture?

by Guest Contributor Jehanzeb Dar, originally published at Muslim Reverie

If you’re having trouble trying to figure out what’s wrong with this newly revealed poster for Disney’s upcoming film, “Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time,” it may help if I pointed out that the title character is played by Jake Gyllenhaal. In other words, the prince of Persia is not played by a Persian/Iranian. Big surprise, huh?

Why is this a big deal? Well, considering that negative perceptions of Middle-Easterners and/or Muslims have increased since 9/11 (and haven’t gotten better according to statistics and civil rights incidents reported by CAIR), a relatively anticipated film like “Prince of Persia” would seem like the perfect opportunity to help break stereotypes and misconceptions about Middle-Easterners. The film is based on a very popular video game of the same title, which allows you to play the role of a Persian prince who has to save his kingdom (or world) from a time-altered reality. I remember playing the game when it was released in 2003 and even though it’s filled with Orientalist stereotypes, I always felt the story and character depictions could be tweaked into a mainstream film with serious potential (and by that, I mean a film with an actual story, real character development, and appreciation for the culture it intends to represent).

Unfortunately, Jake Gyllenhaal isn’t the only White actor playing a Middle-Eastern character. Gemma Arterton, who plays Tamina, the film’s version of Farah, an Indian character from the video game, is also White. Ben Kingsley is also cast as a Persian character, and while he is of half-Indian descent, many Iranians recall how poorly he played an Iranian father in “House of Sand and Fog.” The best part (sarcasm) is that Alfred Molina will play a Persian again after his abusive and oppressive Iranian husband role in the 1991 propaganda film, “Not Without My Daughter”! As a user on IMDB commented: “Tamina = Indian / Gemma Arterton= White; What the hell is going on?”

Yeah, so what is going on? It’s not like Iranian actors and actresses are non-existent. A simple explanation may come from the fact that the film is produced by Jerry Bruckheimer, the Hollywood producer of “Pirates of the Caribbean” and other successful mega-hit blockbusters. It seems like he wanted to play it “safe” since casting real Persians/Iranians would supposedly jeopardize the film’s box office success. In other words, Bruckheimer is more concerned about raking in the dough than conveying important messages about a community that he’s representing (read: exploiting) in his latest B-movie.

It’s important to note that this has happened before. Remember the animated film, “Sinbad and the Seven Seas” released by Dreamworks in 2003? The legend of Sinbad, an Arab sailor, is a classic Arabian Nights tale which the animated film distanced itself from in the most direct way possible. In his article, “Why Hollywood Drew a Veil Over Sinbad’s Arab Roots,” Sean Clarke writes:

…[I]n this version, Sinbad is from Syracuse (in Sicily, as opposed to New York State). The love of his life, Marina, is a noblewoman of Thebes. His estranged best friend is Proteus, the son of King Daimas, and his most dangerous enemy is Eris, the goddess of chaos. Every Arab reference has been removed, and replaced with something vaguely Greek.

Jack G. Shaheen, the author of “Reel Bad Arabs,” added:

This was an ideal opportunity to shatter some stereotypes about Arab and Muslim villains. When I spoke to Jeffrey Katzenberg – a visionary producer – I asked him to include some reference to Arabs or Arab culture. He didn’t seem surprised that I mentioned it, which presumably means that it was discussed early on in the development of the film.

I think maybe they decided to play it safe, not to ruffle any feathers by having neither Arab heroes nor Arab villains. Basically they’re out to make as much money as possible, and I think they were worried that if they took a risk on an Arab hero they might have suffered at the box office…”

The same argument can be made about Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” where a Middle-Eastern man, Jesus (peace be upon him), was played by a White American actor, Jim Caviezel. As William Rivers Pitt wrote in his article, “‘The Passion’ of the Americans,” putting a “white Jesus Christ to the cross on film will generate a far more emotional response from the American viewing public than the crucifixion of a savior who actually looks like he is from the Middle East.” Similarly, it seems that Hollywood filmmakers don’t believe an American audience can connect with “Prince of Persia” if the main character, God forbid, was actually played by an Iranian/Persian actor!

There isn’t any doubt in my mind that concerns were raised about “Prince of Persia” among many Hollywood producers since Iran is (wrongly) labeled an “existential” and “nuclear threat” to Israel. As with the Sinbad animated film, it seems that authentic Persian history, facts, and roots are going to be ignored in favor of Hollywood’s own Orientalized and exocitized version of the Middle-East — one in which brown people are played by White actors. It’s an extremely offensive and insulting modern form of Blackface which says only White people can play central Middle-Eastern characters.

Hollywood’s ethnocentrism shines shamelessly again.

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  1. Eva wrote:

    In Hollywood it’s all about money, getting behinds in the seats. That’s why Beyonce is in every movie instead of an actress like Nia Long. The truth is tha tproducers feel Beyonce is an international star and will sell more tickets overseas than someone like Nia Long.

    I will not be seeing this movie, even though I like Jake Gyllenhaal, it sounds like a hot mess to me.

  2. Persia wrote:

    He doesn’t even look particularly attractive in that picture.

    (On a somewhat related note, I saw Tropic Thunder, and while I found it problematic, I realized the kid playing the compound leader would’ve made a great Aang in a better Avatar: The Last Airbender movie.

  3. Abu Sinan wrote:

    Ah, they are keeping up the same old “glorious” history. I remember watching Westerns when I was a kid wondering why the Indians in the movies didnt look like the Indians in my books?

    Same thing here, different time. One would have a much harder time casting a white guy as an American Indian today. Other times we get good stand ins, like Antonio Banderas, who is a white European, playing Pancho Villa. Maybe it is the Spanish accent?

    There are a lot of Middle Eastern actors, but the one sin Hollywood are often tainted because their roles have been almost completely limited to the “reel bad Arab” types. Do we blame them for accepting these roles, Hollywood for only making these sorts of roles for Middle Easterners, or both?

  4. ztastz wrote:

    I like Jake Gyllenhaal, I think he’s a great actor, but I’m getting fed up with the relentless whitewashing coming out of Hollywood. And they have to know how much doing this shit is going to piss off PoC. They just don’t give a fuck.

    I swear, I can almost–almost–start to appreciate Tyler Perry’s work.

  5. Zahra wrote:

    ARGH. That thwacking sound is my head hitting my desk. Oh my God, Hollywood, AGAIN?

    How can they keep getting away with this? Or how can we get the message out that racelifting casts hurts the bottom line as much as TiVo does?

    This further adds to my theory that Westerners like to use the term “Persia” in place of “Iran” when they want to cast that culture in a more sympathetic (sometimes but not always pre-Islamic) light. It’s a Greek word (what Alexander et al. called the province of Fars on the Gulf Coast), and often strikes me as inaccurate–why should the Parthian Empire be called Persian, for instance, when the rulers weren’t Farsi? It’s not clear to me why we can’t call ancient Iran or Iranians just that, but only a minority of historians do.

    I’d love to hear some Iranian perspectives on this–is there a valuable historical division between Persia and Iran, or is the usage just measure of Western xenophobia & Orientalism?

    The sad thing is that this film will probably still be considered a step forward compared to the likes of 300.

  6. Iggles wrote:

    I refuse to see this movie. The blatant white-washing is insulting. Jake doesn’t look ANYTHING like a middle eastern person. Adam Sandler, who is also jewish, looks more the part than Jake.

    We need more POC creating films AND getting the capital to bring it on the big screen (not only confined to ethnic film festivals).

    Hollywood isn’t going to change. So we need to flex our muscle and distribute our movies. We’ll be laughing all the way to the bank, and only THEN will Hollywood get on board.

    For example, independent filmmakers challenged the studios and brought more diverse movies to the film. We just need to step it up the next level — challenged their distribution dominance.

  7. sweeterjuice wrote:

    This sort of thing has been going on since the silent movie era; it doesn’t even faze me anymore. Hollywood has it in its collective DNA that audiences will only accept white actors in leading roles, regardless of the actual ethnicity of the character being played.

    The sad thing is, box office figures bear them out. American audiences for the most part stay away from films with non-white actors in the lead. International audiences will go regardless. So why take the chance? When you’re a producer sinking hundreds of millions of dollars into getting a movie made, you’re not inclined to take a lot of risks–you want a sure thing, someone whose name is guaranteed to put butts in the seats.

    Hollywood’s not going to change that casting strategy until they have assurance that audiences will turn out for non-white actors. Problem is, in order to grow the audience for non-white actors in leading roles, they have to take chances and cast non-white actors in leading roles. And the amount of money involved has made Hollywood too risk-averse to take those chances.

    The good news is that non-white actors are thriving in independent film. It’s too bad the big studios aren’t following indy’s lead.

  8. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    They also casted a white chick to play an “exotic” princess. They couldn’t have at least casted a big Bollywood star for that????

    LOL, WTF.

  9. Sara wrote:

    This pisses me off so much. It says PERSIA in the title! It is deeply shameful that Hollywood has decreed that the only movies that will succeed are those featuring white men in prominent roles. Maybe if Hollywood actually had confidence that the American viewer could accept non-whites as heroes, they would actually rise to the challenge – instead, by constantly presenting whites as the heroes defeating the evil scary brown guys, they’re just perpetuating stereotypes and appealing to the xenophobia lurking under American society.

  10. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist wrote:

    regarding number 1: yeah, but they could have at least casted a young, handsome, brown-skinned actor who could become a huge break-out star, but then again, you don’t want to risk casting an unknown for a leading role in a big budget movie.

  11. Faith wrote:

    “I swear, I can almost–almost–start to appreciate Tyler Perry’s work.” lol! So true.

    Even white actors realize that Hollywood is all about money.

    “Apart from earning an awful lot of money, why would you go to Hollywood?”~Matthew Macfayden.

    This problem becomes compounded of course when it comes to Hollywood’s portrayal of PoC. If I want a serious film about PoC with PoC actors, the last place I would look is Hollywood.

  12. Sean wrote:

    “In other words, Bruckheimer is more concerned about raking in the dough than conveying important messages about a community that he’s representing (read: exploiting) in his latest B-movie.”

    This.

    It also holds true if you replace ‘Bruckheimer’ with ‘Hollywood.’

    ‘Last of the Mohicans’ anyone?

  13. Lizzie (greeneyedfem wrote:

    One would have a much harder time casting a white guy as an American Indian today.

    Johnny Depp has been cast as Tonto in a Lone Ranger film in development now. He does identify as part Cherokee, but it seems a similar kind of “safe”/whitewashed casting choice on the part of the film’s producers. I doubt audiences look at him and think “Indian” as they would with Adam Beach, Eric Schweig, or any of the boys from Twilight: New Moon.

    I actually think it’s pretty amazing that all of the actors in the New Moon wolf pack are of Indian/Native American descent. That’s still unusual — the Avatar and DragonballZ films whitewashed their casts just this year. I think it’s wonderful, but I also think it’s still unusual — filmmakers really have to fight if they want to showcase anyone but white/whitewashed characters.

  14. Shadow And Act wrote:

    So it goes… this has been, and still is Hollywood’s M.O.

    I don’t expect much from them in terms of portrayals and opportunities for PoC. And those few PoC with some power in the industry don’t seem too eager to go out of their way to bring about any real change.

    As has been said repeatedly, this is a business; profit is king, and there’s a strong aversion to risk-taking, especially when PoC are concerned. In effect, we are a kind of “risk” as they see it.

    What’s most problematic about all this is the power the studio system wields – the power to influence minds, given how wide-reaching their product is. They continue to ill-inform the myriad of already ill-formed audiences who immerse themselves in studio revisionist B.S.

    It’s difficult to counter that kind of dominance without matching funds, and sheer desire and will. Or, movement/collective power, as Naomi Klein states.

  15. Jessica wrote:

    Oo – they should have cast Sarah Shahi (a.k.a. Aahoo Jahansouz Shahi) as Farah/Tamina. She’s even a descendant of a Persian shah.

    (She was Carmen in the L Word.)

  16. Sugabelly wrote:

    Racebending strikes again.

    Nuff said.

  17. Sugabelly wrote:

    Do you know the funny thing? I just realised that this was an Affirmative Action pick. Jake got casted BECAUSE he was white not because he FIT the role. LMAO

  18. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Iggles,

    You wrote:

    “Jake doesn’t look ANYTHING like a middle eastern person.”

    Um, what? What is a Middle Eastern person supposed to look like? I understand where you are coming from, but there are blond haired, blued eyed Arabs. Syrians, Palestinians and Lebanese are known for them. Same with red hair. I know several Palestinians with red hair, blue eyes and are lighter skin coloured than I am.

    Kurds, from the Middle East but not Arab, are known for being light as well, not to mention Circassians.

    Lets not get caught up in stereotypes of what a Middle Eastern person is “supposed” to look like according to our Western standards.

    The real point here is not about stereotypical looks and what people think “looks” Middle Eastern. If that were the case it wouldnt be too hard to find some PoC with backgrounds from Central and South America to play the role.

    It is about the availability of Middle Eastern actors, whether dark skinned and dark haired or light skinned and light haired, to play these roles and why there were not picked!

  19. Mary wrote:

    Man, I still remember when Sendhil Ramamurthy was a popular choice for the lead role. Which is still not the right ethnicity, but still, there was a nonwhite option who tended to do well in the “video game nerds voting online” demographic. (Which includes me, btw.)

    Alfred Molina will play a Persian again after his abusive and oppressive Iranian husband role in the 1991 propaganda film, “Not Without My Daughter”!

    Aw, man. You could do a whole post on Alfred Molina’s career. He’s a legitimately terrific actor (he and Gary Oldman were spellbinding in Prick Up Your Ears, or there was the “Sister Christian” scene at the end of Boogie Nights), so it’s pretty painful that NWMD and this movie are on his resume. Of course, he has always been more or less pigeonholed as “the foreign guy” due to his appearance, despite having been born and raised in London. I don’t make excuses for him, but I wonder what his career would have been like if looked like Bill Nighy or Liam Neeson.

  20. Persia wrote:

    Yes, Jessica! She’s lovely. While we’re dream casting, Adrian Pasdar is a little old for the role, but he would’ve been a natural– half-Iranian, good-looking, with an existing sf/fantasy fanbase from Heroes.

  21. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Thanks for the comments everyone!

    @ Iggles,

    I agree with you 100%. Thank you for that, your comment was really inspiring (and a slap to my face to WAKE UP).

    @ Jessica,

    I’m all for casting an Iranian actress to play Tamina if, in fact, her character is supposed to be Iranian. However, from what I understand, Tamina is the film’s version of Farah, who is an Indian character.

    I agree with “Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist,” couldn’t they at least found a really talented Bollywood actress? (And not to mention, there are plenty of aspiring South Asian actresses in the West who are looking for decent roles to play!) They used Bollywood actors in “Slumdog Millionaire,” which won the ACADEMY AWARD for BEST PICTURE for Heaven’s sake! (Note: I’m not endorsing “Slumdog Millionaire” with this comment).

  22. Matt wrote:

    I appreciate the point of the post, but the bit about relations with Israel is really off. It is, in fact, the official position of Iran, and has been since the ‘79 revolution, that Israel ought not to exist. But moreover, regarding “There isn’t any doubt in my mind that concerns were raised…” By whom? The Israel Lobby? Is that why you raise the point of whether Iran is a threat to Israel? It really reads like you’re suggesting some powerful Jews would actually manipulate Hollywood to promote racism against Iranians as part of a nefarious Zionist plot.

  23. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    I remember enjoying the game, in ignorance of the Orientalism present, because I was very young at the time and it was so challenging and the animation was great for the time it was made, although this looks like it’s based on the remake rather than the classic game.

    I guess I don’t need to add to the healthy disgust pile, so let’s play a game (since it’s based on a game, after all): what would be your ideal cast for a Prince of Persia movie? And why?

    Here’s a little reading about the game (I haven’t played it) this is based on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=569710

  24. Iggles wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan:
    Yes, I used a hyperbole but let’s not split hairs.

    There are ethnic africans with blue eyes. There are 100% western europeans with asian features. The in China, the ethnic groups the Uyghur have members who look like they are from western europe. And the list goes on.

    The issue here is when you look at Jake Gyllenhaal you don’t think ‘middle eastern’. He looks like a male of european descent. He doesn’t look mixed with middle eastern blood at all.

    If you were going to tell the story of Shaka Zulu, casting Wentworth Miller would still be white washing, despite the fact that he has african roots. So casting someone without african roots, is appealing to the white ideal in its highest form.

  25. Sobia wrote:

    @ Matt:

    There is no doubt that Iran is unfairly demonized in Western media in order to justify American bullying of Iran (and God knows what else). Considering most serious and knowledgeable analysts do not consider Iran a threat to the world, the constant demonization doesn’t make sense and Hollywood’s complicity in it just further perpetuates hate against Persians. And it is Iran’s resistance to Israel’s stance that seems to get Americans most worked up. I don’t know what all this means exactly but it’s all very, very problematic.

    @Jehanzeb:

    To be honest, all this white-washing says to me that the audiences are unwilling to accept anyone but the white actors they know in lead roles. If you had some Persian actor in the lead role, there is no doubt in my mind that less people would go see it. Not so much because the lead character would have been a person of colour, but because the lead character would have been Persian. And right now Persians, Arabs, Pakistanis, Afghanis, etc are so immensely demonized that I think in the minds of North American audiences it would be unbelievable to see us in the protagonist role. After all, we’re all so inherently evil so how could we be good?

    I think having an actual Persian actor for this role would have been box office suicide. Not saying Hollywood is justified. I’m saying that’s just how much North Americans hate Persians or anyone that even smells of being Muslim.

  26. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Matt,

    You wrote: “It really reads like you’re suggesting some powerful Jews would actually manipulate Hollywood to promote racism against Iranians as part of a nefarious Zionist plot.”

    Come on. Seriously? You’re reading way too much into what I wrote about Iranian and Israeli relations (but it’s ok, I understand, people accuse me of reading “too much” into things too).

    I didn’t want this to turn into a political debate, but I’m simply pointing out the stereotypes about Iran in general. We all heard Bush pound the war drum against Iran, and we heard McCain sing “Bomb Iran” because it’s perceived as an “existential threat” to Israel.

    SO MANY people (no matter what their ethnic background or religious affiliation is) believe Iran is a threat to Israel AND the Jewish people. Hollywood producers like Jerry Bruckheimer care primarily about SELLING A MOVIE, so they probably said, “hey, whether or not Iran is a ‘terrorist state’, most people probably think it is, so let’s cast some hot White guy to play the Prince of Persia.” NOTHING I said has anything to do with those stereotypes you mentioned about Jews.

    I say the accusations against Iran is inaccurate because (1) Mahmoud Ahmadinejad NEVER said “wipe Israel off the map,” (2) the largest Jewish population in the Middle-East (outside of Israel) is Iran, and (3) there is Jewish representation in the Iranian parliament.

    Ahmadinejad’s comments were directed towards the Zionist movement and/or Isreali military occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people. Ahmadinejad may be an anti-semite (he probably is), but you could make the same assumption about George W. Bush who probably only “Loved” Jews because he believes Jesus (peace be upon him) will only return if the Jews are in the Holy land (THEN what happens to the Jewish people, I wonder?).

    Don’t come at me with accusations of anti-semitism, Matt. I never accused you of being an Islamophobe. I know that you remember my previous posts here on Racialicious, so please don’t accuse me of something that I’m not. Thanks.

  27. Fatemeh wrote:

    Great post, Jehanzeb!

  28. ejunco wrote:

    Yep hollywood is ONLY about making money, look what they did to Avatar and that horrible movie Dragonball Z now they got a white guy playing a Persian prince, WTF is going on!

  29. Carmen wrote:

    Ben Kingsley is also cast as a Persian character, and while he is of half-Indian descent, many Iranians recall how poorly he played an Iranian father in “House of Sand and Fog.”

    I hadn’t heard about this… do you have any links regarding this specific point?

  30. TeakLipstickFiend wrote:

    From an interview with Gemma Aterton:
    “I’ve been in Madrid learning to horse ride for the last few weeks and then back in London for some training. It’s an action romance – a bit like Indiana Jones meets Gladiator! It’s set in the 6th century so there are lots of Sinbad style costumes, which I love. And it has a great cast, with Jake and Ben Kingsley and Alfred Molina and a fantastic director, Mike Newell, so I think it’s going to be great. I’m very excited. I’m the only girl in the whole thing. I’m the hot totty in it – which freaks me out! (laughs) I can’t believe I’m going to be the girl who has to get the bums on seats. ”
    http://mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/bond_22_qos_interview_arterton.php3?t=qos&s=qos&id=02082
    Eek!

  31. the elahater wrote:

    So when Persians are supposed to be evil, they cast brown folks to depict them (think 300), but when they are the good guy protagonists, they cast white people?

    White is always right in Hollywood.

    Do you know how much I would have LOVED to see a positive or even relatable depiction of my people while I was growing up? It’s for this reason that my dad would constantly remind me who was Iranian–”You know Andre Agassi is Iranian? You know Christiane Amanpour is Iranian?”

    I grew sick of him constantly telling me as if I didn’t know. But now I’m thankful he never let me forget that to be Persian/Iranian wasn’t a negative thing and that there were accomplished Persians/Iranians for me to look up to. Thanks dad.

  32. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Iggles,

    My point still stands. Just because someone, who has zero knowledge about the Middle East, will stand and look at someone and say “they dont look Middle Eastern” doesnt mean we need to play into ignorant stereotypes about what Middle Easterners “look like”.

    I have spent a lot of time in the Middle East and actually have seen a lot of Arabs and Iranians who look like Jake Gyllenhaal or could be related to him.

    Do we need someone with dark curly hair, big nose, dark skin and eyes to play what people think “looks” Middle Easterner? That is the stereotype of what a Middle Easterner looks like.

    That is why there was so much surprise here in the USA with the wide coverage of Iran. Everyone thought that Iranian women would be ugly…….they were surprised when the stereotype turned out to be untrue.

    I’d have zero issue with this movie if the person they cast in the role was a fair haired, light skinned Iranian. That is REALITY.

    When we play into people’s stereotypes, not only do we reinforce them, we also miss a chance to teach people something.

  33. Evan Carden wrote:

    This is a topic that seems to come up every few weeks (and it should, since it’s an ongoing problem) and the theories generally seem to boil down to either:

    A) Hollywood is racist
    and/or
    B) Hollywood assumes the public is racist and won’t go to a movie starring anyone who isn’t white and plays into that.

    Which is why this: “There isn’t any doubt in my mind that concerns were raised about “Prince of Persia” among many Hollywood producers since Iran is (wrongly) labeled an “existential” and “nuclear threat” to Israel. ” Confuses me a little.

    Unless something is specifically cast as a historical film or biopic (and even then sometimes) there seems to be a tendency to whitewash the cast. So, why would this have, or why would you assume that this had anything to do with Israel?

  34. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Iggles,

    To prove my point about how the “looks like” Middle Eastern idea plays into a stereotype about how Middle Easterners are supposed to look, as stereotyped by the West, look at the images below.

    First one is Jake Gyllenhaal. The second is famous Egyptian singer Amr Diab.

    They could be brothers! Again, the whole “look like Middle Easterner” thing is a stereotype. Just because a movie is made in Hollywood doesnt mean we should pander to misconceptions about how people are and look.

    http://www.thundersquee.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jake-gyllenhaal-1.jpg

    http://dl2-musicha.persiangig.com/Amr-Diab—Front.jpg

    Instead of pandering to false and incorrect stereotypes, lets work on educating people. Just because the West’s narratives having people in the Middle East all looking one way doesnt mean it is so.

    Let’s let them know and as a consquence the movies start to represent reality, not a fake Orientalist image.

  35. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Carmen,

    Those opinions about Ben Kingsley’s portrayal of an Iranian father were based on things that my personal Iranian friends (and their family members) told me. They said his accent was horrible and the performance was too contrived.

    @ TeakLipstickFiend

    That interview makes me want to slam my head against the wall.

    @ Abu Sinan,

    I agree with you. I wrote a post recently on Justin Abdelkader, an Arab-American ice hockey player for the Detroit Red Wings, and how some people (including NHL online forums and websites) were saying that “he doesn’t look Arab at all.” There are light-skinned Middle-Easterners. The problem here, as you mentioned, is that Jake Gyllenhaal is not Iranian. I say “brown” in my post because the Prince of Persia character is darker-skinned (at least in the first two or three games).

    @ Evan,

    Read my response to Matt at comment # 26.

  36. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Jehanzeb,

    Agreed, and nice post BTW.

  37. Kaonashi wrote:

    Another crap movie I won’t be seeing. I’m quite sure there’s a young Middle Eastern actor somewhere who would have LOVED this role and the fans would have fallen in love with. I like Jake, but I think this casting is total bullshit. Besides the whole “WTF, you don’t look like this character” thing going, he’s simply not an action hero sort of guy. :/

    What’s next; getting Kevin Spacey to play Barret from Final Fantasy 7? What the hell?

  38. Evan Carden wrote:

    @Jehanzeb

    I read that comment before I posted.

    My problem is that this is a common (albiet troubling) phenomenon and I see nothing to differentiate this one from the problem with the Last Airbender that takes this out of the realm of parochial racism (or belief in and surrender to national racism) into the realm of international politics.

    Also, and I don’t want to derail, I have to say that I read this:

    “We all heard Bush pound the war drum against Iran, and we heard McCain sing “Bomb Iran” because it’s perceived as an “existential threat” to Israel.”

    As Israel being the tail that wags the dog. The arguments I’ve heard for attacking Iran (which I thought were assinine at the time and are insane now), had more to do with fear that Iran would provide nuclear weaponry to terrorist organizations which would use it against the US than against Israel. Israel is first and foremost concerned with their security, just as the US is first and foremost concerned with American security. Maybe that’s not what you intended to write (maybe I’m reading too much into it), but that’s what I read.

  39. Jillian wrote:

    In a big budget action movie these days, you don’t need a major movie star. That’s the old wisdom. Actually, they tend to cast people who aren’t hugely well known–like LOTR. They could have really found an Iranian or Iranian-American actor to play this role–like it has been previously stated, he could be a major break-out start. This is exactly the type of vehicle that could have pulled it off–it’s an action movie from a video game that is likely to at least as well in international markets as it will here. It’s stupid b/c there aren’t any real benefits to having Jake Gyllenhaal in this role.

  40. Matt wrote:

    Jehanzeb, I’m not sure I’m reading your tone correctly, but if I am, I appreciate it. However, this is racialicious, and talking about racism is what is done here. So please don’t tell me to be quiet about it.

    “There isn’t any doubt in my mind that concerns were raised..” That’s really, really vague on two points — who raised concerns and what concerns were raised. You shouldn’t be the least bit surprised anyone would read into it. And putting it right there beside a point about Israel, it really shouldn’t be surprising what a lot of people would read into it. Just as with any form of racism, we should all strive to be aware of the tropes and avoid them. If you didn’t mean it that way — say more clearly what you meant and then make an effort to be clearer next time. But don’t come back at me calling me oversensitive.

    I say the accusations against Iran is inaccurate because (1) Mahmoud Ahmadinejad NEVER said “wipe Israel off the map,” (2) the largest Jewish population in the Middle-East (outside of Israel) is Iran, and (3) there is Jewish representation in the Iranian parliament.

    (1) I mentioned the official Iranian stance, not Ahmadinejad’s one comment which some have argued was misinterpreted (and others have argued wasn’t). In fact, it is the official Iranian position, and there are literally millions of quotes to that effect. To avoid arguments about translation, here’s Marjane Satrapi in English at a NYT blog, “the eradication of Israel from the surface of the world is not a new topic.” (2 and 3) Yes, the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel is in Iran. And they have a representative in the Iranian parliament. That doesn’t mean they are not, like every other minority group in Iran, oppressed by the government. Not any more than minorities are not oppressed here in the US, despite there being a Black president. There is no special reason Iranians are incapable of being as oppressive or belligerent as any other nation (or any reason Iranians should face racism in response). And no special reason to imagine Iran might not threaten Israel. In fact, Iran does actively support Hamas and Hezbollah’s violence. By denying that Iran is as capable of aggression as any other nation, you unfairly imply that others, Jews and Israelis who feel threatened, are more belligerent. And in doing so, you put yourself in an awkward position of speaking for others. Seriously, why are you telling me what kind of antisemitism — Bush or Ahmadinejad — should worry me? Wouldn’t it make more sense to ask me why one worries me more than the other? Yes, there are stereotypes about Iran, but there are also stereotypes about Jews.

    Without that one point, the article would be a wonderful one.

  41. Danny wrote:

    I think this is more of a matter of the actors/actresses getting roles due to status and connections and just a little bit of the typical “whitewashing”.

    If based on looks alone, then Abu’s comments are worth taking note. Throughout Middle Eastern even Central Asian communities, there are many people there who have similar look swith light Caucasians in European heritage communities. Same thing when I went to Europe how many “locals” based on looks alone were similar to the stereotypical image of Middle Easterners.

    Actually, I remember reading somewhere that a large portion, maybe 1 in 5 or even 1 in 4, Europeans (not of Middle Eastern heritage as defined by today’s standards) as a whole, had ancestors from the Middle East. Supposedly. I know it’s a little questionable to post any numbers without links or citations but it’s there.

    It’s hard to tell since demographics are defined differently in each corner in the world. This is what’s troubling when based on looks alone.

  42. Fiqah wrote:

    @J-Heezy: Said it already. But good job.

    @All: It occurs to me that some folks may not know just how many movies in the 1980s (when I grew up) conflated and villified Arabs/Muslims/the Middle East in general and Palestinians in particular. To say that there IS no connection between image makers and policy makers is just…well, it’s not true. At all.

    I’m posting a link to the doc “Reel Bad Arabs” that Jehanzeb referenced. Please take a look at the section entitled “Terror, Inc: Demonizing Palestinians and Muslims” which starts at 18:29.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-223210418534585840

  43. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Matt,

    I dont think anyone claimed that Jews or Israelis dont have a right to feel threatened, anyone does. I believe the original statement by A’jad was actually a quote of someone else and didnt call for the extermination of Israel, rather that Israel, as a state, was illegitimate.

    That is a stance that many people take, including myself, even though I have a Jewish background. I never have, nor ever will, support a state set up to advance one race or one religion over another. It is immoral.

    I also would contend that the Israeli state, has had, through it’s actions since inception, been against the creation of a Palestinian state. When they have done their best to stop the creation of a Palestinian state I find it a bit much to see and hear the issues about Iran.

    We can also talk about the oppression of ALL minorities groups within Israel, including PoC Jewish communities.

    I think your whole issue here is going to drag this conversation into areas it doesnt need to go and I think you are taking it over the top when it doesnt warrant it.

  44. Fiqah wrote:

    Why oh WHY does yet ANOTHER thread on a post that is NOT about Israel and anti-Semitism keep circling back to these topics? Is it Groundhog’s Day at the R?

    Fuck a duck, y’all.

  45. CDF wrote:

    LMAO!!!

    I really don’t expect Hollywood to get anything right, given its history…

  46. Matt wrote:

    I think your whole issue here is going to drag this conversation into areas it doesnt need to go

    My whole issue here is that the post goes somewhere it doesn’t need to. Why mention Israel at all in the post?

  47. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Matt,

    Um, I didn’t tell you to “be quiet” about anything. I simply said don’t accuse me of being anti-semitic. Furthermore, please stop putting words in my mouth; I never said anything about Jews and/or Israel being “more belligerent” nor was that ever implied. I didn’t tell you what kind of anti-semitism should worry you either. You’re distorting a lot of what I’m saying and it seems that you’re seeing something in my comment/post that isn’t even there.

    I am simply pointing out the stereotypes and misconceptions that exist about Iran, and a lot of those stereotypes are due to the excessive media coverage surrounding its nuclear power and relations with Israel and the United States. Many Iranians (and Arabs and Muslims) have to put up with stupid stereotypes that we “hate Jews” and want to “annihilate” Israel, so I have no apology about what I mentioned in my post.

    “Just as with any form of racism, we should all strive to be aware of the tropes and avoid them.”

    Yes, you don’t need to lecture me on racism, Matt. The fact that you wrote that is very condescending.

    As for your comments regarding Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas: Oversimplifying everything doesn’t help people understand a very complex situation. Also, is “terrorism” tagged only with Muslims? When the Israeli military killed over 1,400 Gazans in late December/early January of this year, is that not terrorism?

    I stand by my post and this is all I have to say about Iranian/Israeli politics. I have no interest in dragging this post into a political debate. It’s about Iranians and Hollywood’s ethnocentrism, not about “Muslim hating Jews.”

  48. Andrea R. wrote:

    I wonder if actors ever take any responsibility for the movies they’re in. I’m sure Jake could have waited a little longer for another blockbuster role. I mean, if a director asked someone to play in “black face” or if the movie was for a Native American (American Indian) do actors ever speak up? Maybe its my wishful thinking. Or perhaps we just have to wait another 50 years to wait till its unacceptable?
    And on the same token, I got SUPER PISSED when the Judging Amy actress played the lead in The Jane Austin Book Club. I mean, I like her and all, but she, her husband (played by Jimmy Smits) were all LATINO. Now, I’m not saying Latinos can’t be other races, or blond or fair skinned (there are many of us in my family) but come ON! For once it would have been nice to demonstrate that the diversity in a film that wasn’t about race. For gosh sakes, I would have settled for Cameron Diaz! She never gets Latino roles, why? Cuz she doesn’t stereotypically “look” Latino. Arg. Hollywood needs to get over that.

  49. Sobia wrote:

    @ Jehanzeb:

    Co-sign!

    @ Fiqah:

    Co-sign!

    @Abu Sinan:

    Co-sign!

    @ the elahater:

    Good point about white “Persians” equals good and brown “Persians” equals bad.

    However, perhaps it’s just a matter of some of the Iranians I’ve come across, but don’t many Iranians prefer to call themselves Persians in an attempt to dissociate themselves from Iran? Could this not also be feeding into the otherization of Iranians? For instance, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Agassi identify as Iranian.

  50. Ja wrote:

    Compare with movie 300. Where persian are black. In Hollywood, white good, black bad.

  51. ashlynn wrote:

    In Hollywood, money talks, ethnicity walks.

    When I first heard Jake was cast, I was like, “Wha?” The ethnic attributes didn’t even come into question yet- I just found it really odd that someone cast him in an action packed hero type. And THEN the whole question of heritage and descent came in. and honestly, altogether this film looks really foolish, and is just another one for the books in the long tome that is whitewashing in mainstream film.

    Oh and slightly OT sidebar- speaking of the devil: I was JUST thinking about how the Patil twins and Lavender Brown, three of the few PoC with semi-presence in Harry Potter were replaced/eliminated from the film. Shame.

  52. ashlynn wrote:

    @Abu Sinan: Really? You think those two could be brothers? I have to shake my head at that one.

    I feel that a lot of times, when it comes to casting and ethnicity, it’s not so much the descent/heritage/physical homeland discrepancies that bother- because I personally think that for example, if Cameron Diaz were to be cast in a Latina role, and did it well I could appreciate that- it’s the gross physical lack of seeing people of COLOR having a presence in mainstream films AND taking precedence in casting opportunities. I won’t argue Charlize down about playing an African woman, because she is one. However, knowing full well that certainly there are plenty of talented African actors of color who could give and equally, if not better performance. As a PoC, I don’t respect work that clearly has gone out of its way to exclude actors and actresses of varying, particularly darker, skin tones.

  53. Joseph wrote:

    @Jehanzeb
    Great post. It dovetails so perfectly with the concerns raised about Avatar that it is scary. If it isn’t too obnoxious to quote myself from the Asian American Comic Con post about Avatar, this:

    “1) The offense stems not only from the white washed casting, but from the purposeful re- imagining of an entire SF/Fantasy universe that was based on a (non-European culture) into a European one. For PoC fans of SF/Fantasy, who often have to endure racist and ethnocentric content embedded in their fiction ::cough:: Lord of the Rings Trilogy ::cough:: (Prince of Persia) was a rare opportunity to see a PoC fantasy universe realized.

    2) The controversy around the movie version of Avatar is proving to be a catalyst for activism beyond the fan community.

    3) To paraphrase Jordan White (of racebending.com re: Avatar), ‘we don’t just want the movie to fail, we want it to fail because fans rejected the casting.’ Amen.”

    The situation with Prince of Persia is shockingly similar to what is happening with Avatar, although the source material is arguably less rich (I tend to think that the video game the movie is based on is orientalist enough already). Still, I am not convinced that a movie that wasn’t white-washed wouldn’t sell. I think it depends on the context… That might be the case as far as Iran is concerned because Iranians are the boogeymen du jour in US foreign policy, for the reasons you describe (which were perfectly clear, btw)… but Avatar? I see no reason why that wouldn’t have been a big hit with Asian actors in the leads. The cartoon, which is popular enough to inspire the live action version, depicts Asian heroes and is accepted and celebrated by fans of all flavors. Is the leap from cartoons to actual Asians (and or Iranians) so far that it would be rejected by US audiences? Perhaps.

    After talking with the folks from racebending.com at the AACC I wonder if we aren’t at a tipping point? There are a lot of PoC fanboys and girls. If they ALL stay away can a genre movie succeed? Basically, can Hollywood open a movie without us?

  54. Iggles wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan:

    I don’t think they looks like brothers. And you’re still missing my point.

    On Mexican Novellas the majority of the actors have blonde hair and/or blue eyes. However, the majority of Mexicans do NOT. Is it okay to have no representation of what the majority looks like because the actor may be fully or partially ethnic Mexican?

    Ask any medium or dark skin Mexican kids how they feel growing up seeing the people who look like them playing only minor characters or servants on TV.

    I think my Wentworth Miller example still stands. He is part AA but having him cast in roles that were originated by dark skin blacks bugs me the wrong way. It’s because if the studios are doing it, 99 times out of 100 its because they don’t want to cast darker person in the role. It’s not about talent. It’s about RACISM.

    I see it everyday in the casting of roles for black women. Usually if it’s a love interest or major character that cast a biracial or light skinned black woman. Looking at advertising you’d think medium and dark skinned black women don’t exist! One of the things I loved about the Star Trek remake is that they cast Zoe Saldana as Uhura who is a black latina :-)

    Your defense of Jake Gyllenhaal as the Prince of Persia because there are “some” Iranians who are quite fair skin and have blue eyes rings hollow. There is much diversity in every race, but make no mistake — this casting choice was made based on white supremacy. The idea that white is better so it’s okay to erase the culture and history of this story.. yet AGAIN.

  55. lfresh wrote:

    yep, won’t be seeing it
    nor last avatar

  56. prvlgd cdn wrote:

    This isn’t going to help at all, but I refer readers to

    http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/iran-so-far/169811/

    (Hope the link works)

    Andy Sandberg’s love song to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad contains the line

    “… so strong to me, you belong to me,
    like a very hairy Jake Gyllenhaal to me.”

    Maybe that’s where the filmmakers got the idea.

  57. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Re “One would have a much harder time casting a white guy as an American Indian today.”

    Not really. There have been a dozen or so recent cases of studios casting non-Natives in Native roles. Johnny Depp (”The Lone Ranger and Tonto”) and Taylor Lautner (”Twilight”) are merely two prominent examples of this trend.

    I write about this frequently in my blog. For instance, see:

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/07/miscasting-in-public-enemies.html

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/06/asian-actors-in-jonah-hex.html

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/06/johnny-whitefeather-in-imagine-that.html

    Let’s note that this is happening to Latinos, blacks (”A Mighty Heart”), and Asians (”21,” “The Last Airbender”) as well as American Indians and Middle Easterners. It’s basically happening to anyone Hollywood can replace with whites and get away with it.

    I’d say we need to remain vigilant and keep calling studio execs on their racist casting practices. I’m not sure anything else will force them to change.

  58. distance88 wrote:

    I think Bad Brains can express it better than I can:

    “a child is influenced,
    by the make believe
    to take advantage of this truth
    is cold hearted sin
    so I say to the youth right now
    don’t sway to the unjust
    no matter what they say
    never give in, never give in.”
    –”At The Movies”

  59. Luis wrote:

    “Yep hollywood is ONLY about making money, look what they did to Avatar and that horrible movie Dragonball Z now they got a white guy playing a Persian prince, WTF is going on!”

    What’s really sad about it is that the movies are 1) not good, 2) not successful. Yet, the idea that only white leads can make movies work continues to happen. Just keep making a list of each white-washed film and how hard it bombs.

  60. Lxy wrote:

    This reminds me of Paul Mooney on Hollywood’s prospensity for Whitewashing viz. Tom Cruise as “The Last Samurai”

    http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=219442

  61. Robin wrote:

    “I swear, I can almost–almost–start to appreciate Tyler Perry’s work.”

    Woah, now. Let’s not do anything drastic! Sure, Tyler casts brown people, but that doesn’t change the fact that his films are idiotic, stereotype-propagating tripe.

    BTW, sorry if someone already mentioned this, but it’s JERRY Bruckheimer, not Jeremy.

    COMING SOON, FROM THE MAKERS OF PRINCE OF PERSIA: THE AFRICAN KING, STARRING CONAN OBRIEN.
    This shit’s gotta stop.

  62. Robin wrote:

    “I wonder what [Alfred Molina's] career would have been like if looked like Bill Nighy or Liam Neeson.”

    Well, Bill Nighy was just in G-Force, so… not something I’d wish on anyone.

  63. N wrote:

    @abu sinan

    you wrote:
    “Do we need someone with dark curly hair, big nose, dark skin and eyes to play what people think “looks” Middle Easterner? That is the stereotype of what a Middle Easterner looks like.

    That is why there was so much surprise here in the USA with the wide coverage of Iran. Everyone thought that Iranian women would be ugly…….they were surprised when the stereotype turned out to be untrue.”

    Perhaps you meant “ugly by US standards”. Because the way I read this is that you are saying some Iranian women don’t have “dark curly hair, big nose, dark skin and eyes ” and therefore aren’t ugly.

    And I hate to make this assumption, but its almost as if you are insisting that there are plenty of Jake-looking Iranians because you believe they are more attractive and want people to know that -HEY! not all of us are dark, big nosed and ugly.

  64. N wrote:

    @Jehanzeb

    While Justin Abdlekader may be Arab-American, he seems to be 25% Jordanian, so using him as an example to justify the casting of Jake is sort of like using Nahla Aubry to justify the casting of Mariah Carey as Nzingah.

  65. Joseph wrote:

    @N @Iggles
    I understand what you are saying and I am not disputing your points in general.

    But.

    One of the confounding things about Middle Eastern identities is that they do not line up neatly with US race profiles, which are shaped by a Black/White binary. Abu Sinan is right: there are a significant number of us who have fair skin, slim noses and light(er) eyes. I know this because that is the face I see in the mirror when I shave. Abu Sinan can speak for himself but I did not hear that him say he preferred such features, merely that they (we) exist. And the idea that only people with browner skins and bigger noses represent everyone in the entire region just reinforces Euro-American racial categories that don’t have anything to do with us. The MENA has its own colorism, but that is a different story from what we are talking about here.

    Where your points about racialization come into play are in Euro-American representations of Middle Eastern people, which is a really important point–especially since we are talking about movie casting. So, while I have also met Arabs and Iranians who could match Jake Gyllenhaal’s skin/hair/eyes– I completely agree that is NOT an excuse or justification for his casting. It seems very clear that the casting here (and in Avatar etc.) is driven by white fear of not seeing whiteness perpetually represented. And that dynamic IS racialized along Black/White terms, even if the people it actually represents in this instance, aren’t.

  66. Sean wrote:

    @ Lxy

    Too funny!! Paul Mooney is off the chain. Just by coincidence I watched the Orson Welles film “Touch of Evil” which starred Charlton Heston….. in brownface portraying a Mexican-American police detective.

    Surreal.

    On that note: did anyone see that film “A Mighty Heart” starring Angelina Jolie as a black woman?

    Such is life in Hollyweird.

  67. Fiqah wrote:

    Possible derail before I head out the door. (Sorry, Jehanzeb.)

    @N:

    Perhaps you meant “ugly by US standards”. Because the way I read this is that you are saying some Iranian women don’t have “dark curly hair, big nose, dark skin and eyes ” and therefore aren’t ugly.

    And I hate to make this assumption, but its almost as if you are insisting that there are plenty of Jake-looking Iranians because you believe they are more attractive and want people to know that -HEY! not all of us are dark, big nosed and ugly.

    I’m very glad that you addressed this. As someone who is the owner of and partial to dark skin/hair/eyes, it bugged me.
    And considering the topic of discussion, someone voicing a comment that can easily be interpreted as a”light-is-always-beautiful/dark-is-always-ugly” opinion is more than a little bit ironic.

    @Abu Sinan: What I gathered from reading message boards during the earlier Iranian election protests wasn’t that people were shocked that Iranian women were beautiful. No. The shock was that so many Iranian women looked, so very, very White. As in, “I thought all Iranians were DARK, but they’re actually beautiful.” Because our racist beauty standard insists that one can rarely if ever be both. I doubt that you were trying to perpetuate this notion. I think that you are arguing – correctly – that there is tremendous phenotypical diversity throughout Iran and (messy term) the Muslim world.

    But the sentiment voiced here was troubling nonetheless. You might want to take a hard look at it.

  68. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @N,

    I dont know where you got that from at all. I wasnt making any personal judgements about the looks of Middle Easterners or Middle Eastern women. I am married to one after all.

    My point was is that the REALITY of Iranians and Iranian women is in stark contrast to their stereotype in the West. The reality of what Middle Easterners look like is greatly contrasted to how they are portrayed in the West.

    As someone who has traveled all over the Middle East, but come from a European and American background, I am well aware of these Western stereotypes have how out of touch with reality they are.

    As to your comment to Jehanzeb, are we going to start having some sort of racial/religious litmus test to find out who “qualifies” for being an Arab? My children are 50% Arab….do they qualify?

    I reject this notion. If someone has a background from the area in question and self identifies as such, NO ONE has a right to question their right to do so, or their right to be identified as such.

  69. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Fiqah,

    I dont know where you are coming from. Maybe I said something that was taken differently than I meant.

    I am married to a Middle Eastern woman who is not that light and who has black curly hair. Personally dark skin colour, eyes and hair is my preference.

    I didnt get the idea that people in the West were obsessed by skin colour in the Iranian issue. From watching the news I saw both light and dark skinned women, which makes sense because that is how it is in Iran and the wider Middle East.

    So I didnt read a colour factor into it. What I saw is that Western people, especially men, were surprised that Iranian women were good looking. Before I became a Muslim and spent a lot of time in the Middle East I had the typical American idea about what a Middle Eastern lady would look like. She would be covering, dressed in frumpy clothes and not attractive.

    The truth couldnt be farther from that and I think that is exactly the “secret” that was let out when people in the West actually saw a lot of footage of just what people in the area look like.

    You need to keep in mind that many Americans, especially small town Americans, havent seen that many Muslims or Middle Easterners, aside from what they see coming out of Hollywood.

    Sure, there is a racial issue in what people find good looking, but if it was all about colour, someone like Kim Kardashian, who isnt light, wouldnt have become the sex symbol that she has.

    I read that in comments in several news stories about the Iranian protests. American men who had never really seen Iranian women pointing out how good looking they were, even when some of the pictures showed dark skinned women.

    Anyway, if my words conveyed to some the idea that I equate beauty with colour, it couldnt be farther from the truth from what I think.

  70. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    Of course this is nothing new. Even the otherwise brilliant ‘House of Saddam’ was replete with non-Arabs, including a white Australian playing one of Saddam’s wives.

    I really hope people boycott this film.

  71. Arabi wrote:

    One thing I noticed is that they seemed to have darkened Jake up a little, so in that sense he is supposed to reflect the “local color” (as understood by most of us in the west. I take Abu Sinan’s point about Iranian diversity to heart) but they just didn’t want a Persian name on the marque.(so to speak).
    Clear case of brown-face.

  72. Iggles wrote:

    @ Arabi: They also darkened the white actors in “Birth of a Nation”. Still doesn’t make it right.

    I agree with you that it’s brown face. But I still don’t think Jake Gyllenhaal fits this character at all. It’s not just because he is white. He doesn’t look like him in body type or features (there are certainly non-Arab actors who resemble the character more). What I take issue with is that the studios hired him BECAUSE he is white. I don’t think diversity in the middle east can excuse the blatant white supremacy in that.

    Here’s a graphic of the character.

  73. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Iggles,

    I dont think the issue is that he doesnt look like the character that he plays. Does anyone think that Tom Cruise looks like Claus von Stauffenberg? Jolie only slightly resembled the graphic from Tomb Raider.

    Iranians have a variety of looks, the real issue should be that they could have gotten an Iranian or Iranian American to play the part and they didnt.

    Would we be having this discussion if they had someone named “Abdul’Allah Ghaynour” playing the role no matter how he looked? I dont think so.

    Two issues here…….the historical fact that Hollywood has issues with casting actors that come from the same background as the characters from the role that they are playing, and Hollywood’s almost phobic reaction to spending any money on a film without well known actors leading it.

  74. N wrote:

    @Abu Sinan

    When you said that all Iranians aren’t dark and that there is a stereotypical “Arab” appearance that people in the US expect AND that when meeting people from Iran who did not fit that stereotype, they were surprised that the women were not “ugly”. I did read it as if you were equating “stereotypical appearance” and “ugly”.

    Perhaps you meant clothing and fashion, but considering the discussion centered on “racial” appearance and that you brought up dark hair, eyes and big nose that is the aspect of appearance I thought we were discussing. And you mentioned ugliness.

    And it read to me as if someone said, “Everyone in the US thinks Latinas have dark skin,dark eyes and black hair. When they saw Cameron Diaz they were surprised because she wasn’t ugly”. You know, like the REST OF THEM.

    Like I said, perhaps I read it wrong, but I wasn’t quite sure.

  75. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Pretty much everyone else has said what I was already thinking when I first read about this movie. I’d just like to add though that I find it interesting that no one among POP’s fans or even the wider gaming community came out to protest the (mis) casting of this movie the same way that fans of Avatar have done for it. I’m wondering if maybe in the back of people’s minds (mis)casting Arab/Middle Eastern/Muslim characters is not seen as much of an egregious offense as miscasting for movies starring other POC characters. This brings to my mind Jack Shaheen’s (Reel Bad Arabs author) statement that stereotyping Arab/Middle Eastern/Muslim characters is still popularly done in Hollywood because no one receives any backlash for it.

    @Iggles

    I understand what you’re saying but at the same time I think Abu Sinan has a point. I think it’s important to strike a balance when you portray people of any culture/ethnicity. I think casting for POC characters in particular should be done where half the time “light skinned” POC are cast and then the other half the time “dark skinned” POC are in movies. That way people know that diversity exists everywhere. That means that people shouldn’t just been seeing the “stereotypical look” of whatever ethnicity is represented all the time. At the same time this means they shouldn’t just be seeing the “exceptional look” all the time either. A balance should be made.

  76. the elahater wrote:

    @Sobia
    I think that is the case with some of the older generation, the whole “I’m Persian, not Iranian,” but there are a lot of people who use the terms interchangeably when identifying themselves (although technically not all Persians are necessarily Iranians and vice-versa, for instance, there is a population of Arabs that live in the south of Iran, as well as black Iranians, too).

    @ ashlynn , “it’s the gross physical lack of seeing people of COLOR having a presence in mainstream films AND taking precedence in casting opportunities.”
    Cosign!
    The issue isn’t just whether or not Jake looks Iranian or stereotypically Iranian rather than he just ISN’T Iranian. Back when this casting choice was first made, there was a lot of anticipation and hope that an up-and-coming Iranian actor would be picked to play the lead role. He obviously didn’t. The vast majority of big blockbuster and high caliber actors in Hollywood are white. You don’t get to that star status without being given some roles other than “terrorist #2.”

  77. Fiqah wrote:

    ::: rubs forehead :::

    @Abu Sinan: I will try to keep this short as I really feel like this is such a derail. But you said this -

    I didnt read a colour factor into it. What I saw is that Western people, especially men, were surprised that Iranian women were good looking.

    No, I don’t suppose you would “read a colour factor into it.” You are, as you mentioned, a White man of European and American descent. This isn’t something I’d expect you to pick up on as a matter of course.

    But please don’t take that to mean that there wasn’t a color factor there. Reading through comments that said Eurocentric things about how “these Iranian beauties” looked as though they could just as well be French or Italian (read: WHITE), I obviously had a very different takeaway. (The same, interestingly enough, has also been said about Kim Kardashian…who I wouldn’t say “isn’t light”…but okay.) While I recognize that an appreciation of chic runs through some of this Western admiration, praise of young, “hot” Iranian women had very little to do with their fashion sense. No. The surprise factor was because Iranian women fit – not challenge or subvert – a very specific Eurocentric beauty standard. It wasn’t merely, “See? Iranians aren’t ugly or scary, they’re beautiful!” It was, “See? Iranians aren’t ugly or scary, they’re beautiful…why, lots of ‘em look just like us White people!” Sorry, that too-common sentiment should give anyone with an anti-racist bone in their body serious and IMMEDIATE PAUSE.

    Appreciating Iranian women did not require any Westerners to divorce themselves from White ethnocentric ideals, and that is why, ultimately, these stereotypes of ugly Middle Easterners will reassert themselves. History has shown us that the introduction of a contrary truth alone has never been enough to destroy a stereotype. Refusing to recognize how these memes interplay is naive and dangerous.

  78. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    **MOD NOTE****

    Further comments that are not on the game, the character, or the movie will be deleted.

    Seriously, folks.

  79. Joseph wrote:

    @the elahater
    The issue isn’t just whether or not Jake looks Iranian or stereotypically Iranian rather than he just ISN’T Iranian. Back when this casting choice was first made, there was a lot of anticipation and hope that an up-and-coming Iranian actor would be picked to play the lead role. He obviously didn’t. The vast majority of big blockbuster and high caliber actors in Hollywood are white. You don’t get to that star status without being given some roles other than “terrorist #2.”

    Cosign.

    I heard Jack Shaheen (who wrote Reel Bad Arabs) speak once and he told the audience that Middle Eastern actors who have played terrorists often approach him to apologize. (He specifically mentioned Iranian comedian Maz Jabroni, who has said he won’t play those parts anymore… unless the money is great.) Shaheen was very generous, saying that we can’t blame young actors who are starting out because there is often nothing else for them to do. I have mixed feelings about the responsibility of actors for these portrayals, especially since South Asian, Israeli and Iranian actors have made a cottage industry out of portraying Arab bad guys, but I can see the wisdom in looking at the system rather than the individual actors.

  80. Reiter wrote:

    The whitewashing of Hollywood continues. Should anyone be surprised by this?

    Granted, the action and FX of Bruckheimer’s latest films like the Pirates movies are pretty good, but the included racist imagery and overtones put me off. I mean, relegating Chow Yun Fat’s character to be this Fu Man Chu / Ming the Merciless stereotype who lusts after the white heroine (Keira Knightly’s character) and is killed off early only to hand off his ship (and symbolically his pride and power) to this complete stranger and woman he literally just tried to rape moments before (you know, because Asian men really act like that toward helpless white damsels in distress), yea, that did not sit well with me at all.

    And the whitewashing of Avatar: The Last Airbender (saw the trailer for this foolishness recently). Simply put, Asians (and other POCs) don’t exist to Hollywood. Sure, they can appropriate POC cultures, traditions, history, and martial arts in the name of making a quick buck, but the actual people? Nah, Hollywood doesn’t need ‘em, and neither does the American public want to see them, is their insidious way of thinking.

    Out of sight, out of mind.

  81. Jennoschmello wrote:

    *sigh* At least Hollywood should cast main roles with actors/actresses who have at least some minority background of the character they’re supposed to play. But let’s turn the tables around. If they have an open casting call for a role who has a minority background and a White person comes in to audition for that role and is clearly the best but the role goes to (I don’t know) someone who is of Asian heritage because they’re minority, isn’t that reverse discrimination?

    Just throwing it out there. Of course, like most of you, I want to see more minority casting in Hollywood, but not at the expense of singling out a race. To me, signaling someone out because of their race (even if they are White) can start up this whole debate without coming to a resolution.
    And before anyone assumes, I am Asian/White so I know what it feels like to be discriminated against and/or stereotyped from both sides of the Asian/White fence. Disagree or argue with me all you like, I am just expressing my views. :\

  82. Jennoschmello wrote:

    Okay, so I thought about this a little more and I’m thinking it’s not reverse discrimination ifactors/actresses who are minority get cast in place of actors/actresses who are of the majority so as long it doesn’t put the majority at a disadvantage. Or something like that.

    This whole affirmative action thing confuses me. Not sure what side I take on yet in this debate.

  83. Mary wrote:

    Well, Bill Nighy was just in G-Force, so… not something I’d wish on anyone.

    *snerk* Point taken.

  84. rose wrote:

    Oded Fehr, then handsome Israeli actor from The Mummy movies would have been a good choice..But he’s not as well known I guess.

  85. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Jennoschmello,

    I find it very difficult to discriminate against White actors in Hollywood. Seriously. There are plenty of opportunities for them. If a “White role” (whatever that is) goes to a person of color, I don’t think that’s discrimination at all. There is much less diversity in the roles that people of color play and it’s not like you see them play main characters most of the time.

    @ Rose,

    The problem is that Oded Fehr is not Iranian either. I didn’t like the stereotypical “Muslim” and Arab character he played in “Sleeper Cell.” There are plenty of handsome Iranian actors the filmmakers could have chosen.

  86. Hannah wrote:

    In a society as diverse as America’s, it’s crazy that Hollywood still believes that people only want to look at white folks onscreen. It’s like the past 60 years never even happened once you step onto the Warner Brothers (or whichever) lot.

    The whitewashing of Hollywood puts actors of color between a rock and a hard place. Do they take the only roles they can get, the ones that confirm stereotypes? I’m thinking back to Anna May Wong, the first Chinese-American movie star back in the 1920s (the publishing house I work at, Lee & Low Books, just released a children’s book on her, so she’s been on my mind a lot lately). She really opened the path for future generations of Asian actors, but before she did that she had to take a LOT of roles that portrayed Asians in a poor light, and she got quite a bit of slack for it. It’s crazy that actors of color 80 years later are facing the very same dilemma, but since the are, it’s worth asking the question: where does change come from? Does it have to come from within the industry, as it did for Anna May? Or can we as an audience find a way to express our frustration with the ridiculous whiteness of contemporary Hollywood?

  87. Emmeaki wrote:

    People speak of the old Charlie Chan movies and clearly see how absurd it was to cast a white actor as a Chinese , yet, they are doing the same shit all over again, just in a more subtle way.

  88. DivergentDana wrote:

    As we all know, Hollywood isn’t just the arbiter of what realistic “ethnic” people look like, they — and movies in general — say something about how people think they should ideally look, as well. It’s kind of like the African protagonist in Resident Evil… sure, some African-descended folks look like that, but why does the female protagonist have to, almost every single time? And if you look at the history of American cinema, the “ambiguously coded” Middle Eastern phenotype has been, time and time again, used as an excuse to cast anybody except a ME person in the role, which probably has an effect on the type of portrayals that have taken place. Often it’s like this — heroic protagonist/romantic lead= white person with a tan & evil terrarist= stereotypical features, which could mean anyone can be cast from a Desi to a Latino to an ambiguously multiracial person. So… on one hand, you don’t want that kind of pattern of idealization of a stereotypically white appearance for ethnic people to persist even when the ethnicity is accurate, creating a Mexican telenovela/ubiquitous curly-haired, light-skinned commercial black girl-type situation, but you also want to showcase the diversity of the group. How can this be solved? *gasp* could it be…. multiple ethnic leads in the same movie with markedly different phenotypes, that aren’t polarized by them? Naaah.

  89. Lxy wrote:

    But let’s turn the tables around. If they have an open casting call for a role who has a minority background and a White person comes in to audition for that role and is clearly the best but the role goes to (I don’t know) someone who is of Asian heritage because they’re minority, isn’t that reverse discrimination?

    Ah, playing the old reverse racism card.

    Is Sen. Jeff Sessions now posting on Racialicious?

  90. cameron wrote:

    At the end of the day it is all about money and who controls it. The fact is, the producers of these movies in Hollywood want to give their spin (and personal Biases) on everything they do.

  91. Msday wrote:

    “He doesn’t even look particularly attractive in that picture.”

    Persia, you are absolutely correct. To me, he looks sweaty, funky and dirty….

  92. Sohrab wrote:

    Nothing wrong with casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian, as long as he plays a good role i as an Iranian am fine with it. Iranians/Persians layed the path for the European civilization, and thus where an fundamental part of europe and vice versa. We share many cultural traits and it’s save to say we have the same origins (Iranians and Europeans). One example is the language :P ersian belongs to the Indo-European language tree such as Swedish and Hindu. Jake is obviously of European origin, I’ve read many tekst of different people who clearly don’t know much about Iran including the author of this tekst Jehanzeb Dar. The country has always been named Iran which means the land of Aryans, Persian is the main language spoken in Iran. But both names are correct when a person of this ethnicity defines his or her origin. You can compare it with Holland and The Netherlands, which also has 2 names.

  93. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Sohrab,

    How do you know I “don’t know much” about Iran? Making an accusation against someone that you don’t even know is pretty pathetic and immature.

    Aside from that, you totally miss the point of this post. Hollywood tells us once again that people of Middle-Eastern and/or Muslim descent play limited roles in mainstream movies. I suggest that you read my article again and keep the accusations to yourself.

  94. bellatrys wrote:

    regarding number 1: yeah, but they could have at least casted a young, handsome, brown-skinned actor who could become a huge break-out star, but then again, you don’t want to risk casting an unknown for a leading role in a big budget movie.

    Yet, that’s exactly what Warner Bros did in 1935 – they chose an unknown foreigner to play the titular star in the big budget, SFX-loaded action remake based on a beloved, bestselling novel – and paired him up with a box-office-gold leading lady of the day to give some stability to the marquee. Then they boasted about all this in the trailer.

    The rest is, as they say, Hollywood history – a write-in campaign nearly won director an Oscar for it – and they wonder why they’re not doing as well as they did in their days? “Fortune favours the bold” as true as ever.

  95. Robin wrote:

    I haven’t played the game, but if we’re fantasy casting the movie, I’m surprised no one here has suggested Naveen Andrews. He’s a talented actor, relatively well known from Lost, and looks more “typically” Middle Eastern. Since they’ve cast Gyllenhaal, I suppose Andrews might be a little old for the role, but Hollywood has ways of making people look younger that are a lot easier than changing their apparent heredity.

  96. Invasian wrote:

    Has anybody ever questioned the actors? Of course blame goes to the producers and those in charge of casting (as it should), but why are the actors accepting roles for characters they should not be portraying? Then again, it could have something to do with the easy paycheck.

  97. JT wrote:

    Yet another continuation of the Mighty Whitey :[
    (Fits in nicely with the “Lasts” The Last of the Mohicans, The Last Samurai, The Last Airbender.)

  98. C wrote:

    Is anyone really surprised?