Dear Porn Industry, Must Interracial Porn Always Be So . . . Racist?

by Special Correspondent Wendi Muse

*Warning – Links and Content NSFW*

For those of you who watch mainstream porn out there, I have an assignment for you.

Pull up any film or video clip in which the characters who are busy bumpin’ uglies are of different races and/or ethnicities. Now see if you can get through the full film or clip satisfying the following requirements:

1. The color, size, or shape of the characters’ body parts, particularly genitals, as they relate to his or her race or ethnicity is not mentioned

2. No racist epithets are uttered.

3. The race or ethnicity of the characters (including the white characters) is not mentioned.

4. The background music, setting, and general environment of the scene does not conform to a stereotype related to one or more of the characters’ racial or ethnic identity.

Did you pass?

After having written a previous piece on interracial porn for Racialicious, I ventured into the glow of the internet’s red light district one more time, just long enough to come up with my own version of the Bechdel Test. The Bechdel Test is a list of film requirements as designated in the lesbian comic strip Dykes to Watch Out For. According to one of the characters, a film is not worthy of her time if it does not meet the following requirements:

1. It has to have at least two women in it,
2. Who talk to each other,
3. About something besides a man.

Sadly, most ladyflicks (Confessions of a Shopaholic), ladyshows (Sex and the City), ladybooks (The Rules), and even ladycommercials seem to be unable to meet this requirement. Almost everything that is geared to women in pop culture and advertising reduce them to man-obsessed, self-absorbed entities who do little more than shop, eat (or obsess about food) and pine away for some jerk of a man who doesn’t want anything to do with them, only to be reminded that he’sjustnotthatintothem in the first place.

Considering this test is generally quite successful in determining if a film has any substance, even if you are not a lesbian, I thought I’d come up with a porn equivalent. I previously expressed the need for there to be porn that involved people of different races and/or ethnicities but that did not focus solely on the actors’ races as a pivotal point:

Porn, though trivial in the eyes of some, makes us analyze our own perspective on others who are different from ourselves. Could there ever be a day upon which seeing a couple of different ethnic, racial, or national backgrounds in a sexual context does not evoke specific images from our damaged history?

Could one ever view interracial sex objectively, and even then, without thinking about the interracial element at all, and instead, simply seeing it for what it is: two (or more) people having sex? If one can derive pleasure from watching two people who appear to be of the same racial, ethnic, or national background in heterosexual porn without any additional bells and whistles (albeit through a highly sexist lens), why can’t the same be said of interracial sex? Why must it always be packaged as a spectacle or a pornographic sideshow, an abnormal act that requires additional dialogue and themes to remind us that this is something different and borderline perverse?

When I am in a relationship with someone who is of a different racial or ethnic background from myself, I don’t spend my time preoccupied with our differences, so porn that does is, well, a huge turn off. Mr. BlackSexxx, author of the blog Black Sexxxology,  shares my sentiments:

I need Porn Producers to step up and make Porn for more than just the white dudes with fetishes. You have women who want to join you under this umbrella of Porn Watcher and don’t want to feel put out by an industry that calls them Black Bitches, Black Hoes or Black Cum Drippers.

He goes on to lament the difficulties in even finding people of color in porn without it being a caricature of sorts. Can we ever get past the stereotypes to just see good sex? But as Mr. BlackSexxx goes onto to point out in his pieces “Porn Musings” and “Interracial Porn: Are We Still Discussing This in 2009?” the focus of porn, like any other industry, comes down to supply and demand. And unfortunately, for both women and people of color (groups that are not mutually exclusive), there is little concern for their needs. The target audience has, and probably always will be, white males. And while the industry has experienced considerable growth in the gay and lesbian market, even these films relate to white males, be they gay, straight, bisexual, or questioning, because they, too, involve racist stereotypes and are not free of the same garbage seen in the mainstream heterosexual set. The porn itself, at least in the mainstream realm, tends to be created to appeal to one demographic and that demographic only, even if people of color are enlisted for starring roles.

Speaking of lesbians, I’ve noticed a growing trend in the totally fake lesbian porn geared toward heterosexual men: racism! There is a new set of lesbian gangbang films that involve black “ghetto” women (their words, not mine) taking advantage of some innocent white woman they are hard-pressed to “turn out.” So in one swoop, we have racism, sexism, classism, and homophobia. And I thought at one point that lesbian porn was maybe the last bastion of hope in the mainstream porn world (at least in terms of race). I suppose I thought too soon.

Anyway, I digress…back to my interracial porn Bechdel test. This test is rather difficult to meet if you are discussing mainstream porn. And trust me, I tried. Yet the inability for the porn industry to meet these simple requirements seems to be taking its toll on the actors as well. As Mr. BlackSexx in his piece “Porn Retirements – Just One Man’s Opinion,” many black porn stars may be leaving the business early because they were never in it for the long haul but only for quick material gain. Yet others may have simply gotten tired of being typecast:

I think this has to do with a number of factors but most importantly it has to do with the fact that producers allow black men and women to follow into that overly sexual stereotype that they want nothing more than to have sex with the women of white men. Or the fact that black women are merely looked at as unconscious sexual beings created to serve white men.

For those who don’t quite fit into this aspect of the interracial porn genre, getting work may doubly hard as well, even if being “different” means a simply stray from a stereotypical “look” as dictated by porn views, producers, and greater dominant culture:

Wrong as it is I believe this has happened because this business is controlled in most part by white men. White men will put on screen what they and their contemporaries feel comfortable with. . . I once read that Obsession [author’s note: NSFW] not get work outside of Urban Pornography because of the number of tattoo’s and piercings she has … but somehow Belladonna still gets works even though she his fully Tatted and seeming presented as sexy?

But that’s yet another problem with interracial porn. Not only is it limiting for its actors, it’s limited and one dimensional as a porn genre. When people think of interracial porn or even if one googles it, the results are mainly black/white pairings, and even then, mostly black men/white female pairings. The term “interracial” seems to be reserved solely for sexual pairings that have a direct connection to American history’s open preoccupation with sexual race relations. Black men = threat, white women = sexual innocence. Why is there so little diversity in the interracial pairings themselves?

This question ends up leading right back into the cyclical supply vs. demand issue that relates to what Mr. BlackSexxx previously mentioned. If the target audience and creators are of the same demographic and ultimately share the same racist and limited perceptions of people of color, there is only one option. But for those viewers who want something different in the interracial sex on film realm, there is a lot of room for variety, but still more progress to be made.

Hat tip to The Hathor Legacy for this topic suggestion!

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Comments

  1. Political Season wrote:

    Your quest for porn with a higher racial intelligence quota is about the most oxymoronic and pointless exercise I can think of.

    Porn is a morally bankrupt medium dedicated to the increasingly vicious exploitation of women. It is morally and ethically indefensible and writing an article purporting to lament the lack of more genuine portrayals of interracial sex is just plain silly.

    Porn is not about the authentic portrayal of anything. Its purely the selling of sexual imagery for money and caters to the lowest and basest elements of human sexual response in primarily men. Its all about that. As an industry, it doesn’t have ethics other than those imposed on it.

    I just find this post to be silly and a waste of time. Porn is entirely about a twisted representation of sexuality and arguing that this twisted representation should be undergo quality improvement in how it uses racial imagery is an attempt to have a discussion about making something that is inherently degenerate more tolerable and acceptable, in itself a morally bankrupt sort of exercise.

    You guys are typically much more thoughtful than this. What a disappointing waste of racial analytic energy.

    Mod Note – Feel free to have your own opinions about the purpose of pornography, but as they are a pool of racial stereotypes, we actually cover pornography as part of our basic discussions. You can always choose not to participate in these discussions. – LDP

  2. Logan wrote:

    Now, it may just be that I go to different places, but I’ve seen quite a few sex scenes featuring inter-racial pairings where ethnicity was not mentioned at all. Of course I’ve seen ones which are exploitive as well (and those are generally ones which out and out advertise x ethnicity and a white guy), but there is definitely a large segment of porn out there where it just is two people of differing ethnicities having sex, and race is not mentioned.

    Now, most of the stuff I’ve poached has been from just porn sites online outside the mainstream porn industry per say, although these are some of the largest sites out there on the internet. But, it definitely exists out there (although admittedly, many of the sites are theme variants, where race is trumped by the theme). Although there is also just here’s a hot woman, here’s a guy, here’s a random scenario, go fuck for 20 minutes.

  3. Leezel wrote:

    As sick as it sounds, I think that (that being racial verbal degradation) is part of the fantasy for the viewer. Just as anal & condom free sex became more mainstream in the porn world so has racial degradation, Ghetto Gaggers anyone?

    I am curious as to why interracial porn of the bm/wf variety seems to be the most popular niche fetish porn. Especially when white porn actresses frequently talk about how working with a black actor lowers the amount of money they can demand afterwards.

  4. HazelStone wrote:

    I have to agree with Political Season and Leezel. Degrading women and people of color is the point of porn. Robert Jensen, Andrea Dworkin, Catherine McKinnon and all the leading lights of the anti-porn radical feminist movement have written on this extensively.

  5. aa wrote:

    i have to run, so i won’t be able to respond to this in full until later, but i will say that there are people out there making intelligent, activist-y porn. madison young and tristan taormino, for instance, are two people whose ouevres contain films that can be intellectual and progressive in nature. of course, this is all happening on or near the fringes, but it is happening and it’s making money.

  6. EddieCicero wrote:

    I’m going to disagree with y’all ( HazelStone, Political Season )

    Now if you had said that degredation was the point of *Most* pornography, I’d take no issue. But groups such as S.I.R. Video ( I’m personally a fan of “Sugar High Glitter City” ) and Pink & White Productions ( who did the amazing “Crash Room” and “Superfreak” movies ) are definetly pronography that is for women, by women.

    Now, the mainstream industry as a whole? Yeah, it’s prominently degrading towards women and POCs, but there *are* exceptions. The best example is Vanessa Blue: She’s a powerful black woman who has not only directed and starred in IR scenes with no mention of race, but who runs her own production company and, I believe, was the first woman and person of color to win an AVN Award.

    tl:dr the porn industry has it’s bright spots but it’s about four times as slow to evolve as the rest of popular culture

  7. Sam wrote:

    I’d just like to point out that “Charlies’ Angels: Full Throttle” passes the Bechdel Test. (They do talk about men, but also other stuff.)

  8. atlasien wrote:

    I’m getting the “you’re not pro-porn enough you sexually repressed reactionary” judgment on Andrea’s thread, but I’m going to fall on the opposite side on Wendi’s thread. I strongly disagree with the “all porn is evil” contingent.

    Most porn is evil. But then, most television ads are evil. A lot of the media we consume is making us stupid, and I don’t think porn is any exception.

    The terms of this debate — anti-porn feminists on one side, pro-porn sex-positives on the other — are interesting, but the relevance beyond the realm of theory seems kind of inflated. The majority of people who produce/consume porn, or hate and want to regulate porn out of existence, don’t fit into that debate and don’t really care about the theory. Religious fundamentalists trying to pass anti-porn legislation have never read McKinnon. And your typical male hetero porn consumer doesn’t care about the tiny market of sexually liberating porn and will never watch any of it.

    I don’t want to be anti-intellectual… I just want to point out that neither intellectual argument (pro nor anti) seems to have had much of any effect on mainstream porn. It’s affected much more by capitalism, technology and pop culture trends, not by minority porn-producers/consumers or academics.

    The question isn’t “can you produce good or liberating porn”… that’s definitely possible. I agree with the pro-porn side on that. But the market conditions are another story entirely. I understand the sense of frustration Wendi is alluding too. There has got to be some new way of approaching this issue that breaks unproductive patterns.

  9. HazelStone wrote:

    Well, for one thing I didn’t say “porn is evil.”

    I’m a radical feminist, so I believe that no one in our patriarchy is untouched by systemic sexism and misogyny. I also believe that it is the same for our white supremacist culture.

    So though the “progressive” porn everyone is always lauding may not be OVERTLY racist or misogynist it is still predicated on and viewed in that anti-woman anti-people of color world. You can’t just click your heels three times and say whatever it is one is doing (shaving your legs and wearing heels so you don’t get fired, making porn, getting married) is magically patriarchy free because YOU don’t like the patriarchy. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.

    Much as all whites in our White supremacist culture are racist (because they’ve been carefully and mercilessly inculcated into) and will often do, say or think racist things EVEN IF they are not overtly, willfully racist.

    Geez, folks I figured this stuff was pretty much 101 on a site like this. As long as you are objectifying people (pretty much unavoidable in porn) you are working with White Supremacy and Patriarchy not against it, in my opinion. Now the DEGREE that you are playing into it varies widely between artistic cheesecake and overtly racist rape fantasies, say. But don’t fool yourself into thinking liberal porn is magically patriarchy free. No such thing.

  10. cocolamala wrote:

    lol!! @your interracial stick figures y’all!

  11. Wendi Muse wrote:

    in summary, this is my response to the comments above:
    this is not a judgment call on whether or not one should or should not watch porn. nor is it damning the porn industry.

    instead, i am saying that interracial porn is unfortunately a one-trick pony in most mainstream porn. it’s the same tired imagery and stereotypes. it’s to the point where even this so-called fantasy is simply mundane. the piece is also talking about how the state of IR porn is affecting performers of color and how we define IR porn in the first place (bc it doesn’t seem to be used in say, scenes with someone who is white and someone who is asian or someone who is latina and someone who is white (if the latina herself, of course, is not too dark…then it would confuse viewer who may not realize latin@ is an ethnicity and people under that ethnic umbrella have extensive phenotypic diversity).

    so watch porn all you want or reject it. just recognize that that is far from the point of this piece and by discussing whether or not porn is socially or culturally relevant or if it rots our brains, you are derailing the piece.

  12. HazelStone wrote:

    “I don’t want to be anti-intellectual… I just want to point out that neither intellectual argument (pro nor anti) seems to have had much of any effect on mainstream porn. It’s affected much more by capitalism, technology and pop culture trends, not by minority porn-producers/consumers or academics.

    The question isn’t “can you produce good or liberating porn”… that’s definitely possible. I agree with the pro-porn side on that. But the market conditions are another story entirely. I understand the sense of frustration Wendi is alluding too. There has got to be some new way of approaching this issue that breaks unproductive patterns.” -atlasian

    As long as woman hating and white supremacy are part of culture there will be a demand for sexualized degradation of women and people of color. That’s why the struggle is to actually systemically change our way of being as humans so that this need is extinguished. Or at least, that’s the radical feminist goal. I know that sounds crazy but it is the only answer. The closer we can move towards POC and women having real agency and full human status the better this and many other problems will get.

    In the meantime, we can try to ameliorate the worst excesses of the sex industry and I think we should do that. Decriminalizing prostitution; undermining the conditions of poverty, drug abuse, and organized crime that allow human trafficking; reforming the criminal justice system so that sexual abuse is dealt with better (good stats are virtually impossible to obtain, but most porn workers are victims of sexual abuse, making the actual sex acts of porn a recapitualization of their abuse which makes me just want to vomit endlessly) and people get the help they need; enforcing proper labor standards and safe working conditions for sex workers… the list is endless.

  13. Wendi Muse wrote:

    lol cocomala
    it was the safest, yet cutest IR porn pic i could find via google. unfortunately, when i clicked on the pic, which was hosted by photobucket, it said the pic violated the photobucket terms of service lol
    we can’t even be “meta” when we illustrate IR sex acts. oh well.

  14. Pickly wrote:

    Geez, folks I figured this stuff was pretty much 101 on a site like this. As long as you are objectifying people (pretty much unavoidable in porn) you are working with White Supremacy and Patriarchy not against it, in my opinion.

    Not everyone’s going to have the same beliefs on issues like these.

  15. atlasien wrote:

    @Wendi: When it comes to filthy stick figures, if you ever find a book called “The Prehistory of Sex”, it has a really filthy Neolithic stick figure cave painting in the illustrations section. It’s titled something like “cave painting of man on skis engaging in intercourse with moose”. It sounds unbelievable, but the very second you see the illustration, you say to yourself, “hey, that’s a man on skis f*cking a moose.”

    Ahem… getting back on topic, sort of… I think some of what you’re talking about is a matter of terminology. Asian/white doesn’t get marketed as interracial, it gets marketed just as “Asian”. “Asian” is presumed to equal Asian fetish porn (of women or gay men) and is marketed towards white males. The last thing a typical porn consumer thinks of when they hear “Asian porn” is Asian men having sex with Asian women (or men, I think).

    It’s an interesting issue and I wish I could do some Googling research on it. I’m a bit leery of that idea though, I’ll leave it up to other people with better privacy systems on their browsers…

  16. jp wrote:

    @ atlasien
    “The question isn’t “can you produce good or liberating porn”… that’s definitely possible. I agree with the pro-porn side on that. But the market conditions are another story entirely.”

    I COMPLETELY AGREE!
    thats why my sex-positive feminist, anti-racist politics are never disconnected from my anti-capitalist, prison abolitionist, anti-imperialist/nationalist politics. we have to radically change EVERYTHING! this includes how we perform and represent sexuality

  17. Irene M. wrote:

    Wendy, thank you so much for writing this. As a young woman who occasionally watches porn, racist content bugs me to no end. It’s really nice to see it brought up here. Also for those interested, fleshbot (a prominent porn blog/gossip site) has a couple of pieces on this issue including ones highlighting non-racist videos. I can’t vouch for all of them, but the videos in “Top Ten (Nonracist!) Interracial Sex Videos” seem to pass the Muse Rule.

    As for the whole feminism v. porn debate, I almost always use the working conditions within specific porn companies when deciding what is or isn’t exploitive. Are actors and actresses given rights over their images? Are they paid at least the industry standard? Are former or current workers complaining of assault or other workplace abuses? It doesn’t matter how female-friendly or alternative a film looks, if the filmers are pushing alcohol on-set or violating workers’ contracts then it’s an unfeminist film. Of course, there’s no way to guarentee that workers are treated well 100% of the time, but there is a lot of helpful information out there. When I first started and wasn’t sure where to look, I picked out a couple of sex-worker blogs and read what they had to say about various porn companies. It’s a good place start.

    Also, I’m not saying that content isn’t important (it certainly is), but we really need to examine working conditions before labeling something pro or anti-woman.

  18. Marco wrote:

    I could not agree more with atlasian’s response (#8).

  19. Wendi Muse wrote:

    irene, do you happen to still have the links to the fleshbot articles? if so, feel free to post them here. i think it’s a great addition to this piece. thanks!

    ~Wendi

  20. Irene M. wrote:

    Wendi,

    Sure! Now Fleshbot is primarily a porn site (and mostly mainstream porn at that). So, the pieces are heavier on the imagery and lower on the analysis than Racialicious. aka links NSFW

    “Why Interracial Porn is Stupid” (And Why We Agree)
    http://fleshbot.com/sex/uncomfortablepornstereotypes/why-interracial-porn-is-stupid-and-why-we-agree-257538.php

    “Top Ten (Nonracist!) Interracial Videos”
    http://fleshbot.com/5046928/fucking-in-perfect-harmony-top-ten-nonracist-interracial-sex-videos

    This next one isn’t an article but, the staff posting a (in my opinion) ridiculous and telling press release they received from the makers of a really racist flick.

    Self Abuse: “I can’t believe you sucked a Negro”
    http://fleshbot.com/387368/self+abuse-i-cant-believe-you-sucked-a-negro

  21. ObservantOne wrote:

    Porn just exploits stereotypes as fantasy, period. It happens in gay porn as well. For example, (*WARNING* Might be TMI for some) rarely do I ever see interracial porn where black men aren’t hung like a horse, dominant, aggressive and in almost perfect shape; while the white guys might not maintain themselves nearly as well, and are always submissive as if they were white women. I mean, I’ve seen it the other way around as well, but obviously there’s not as much of a market for that. Stereotypes sell because that’s what commonly gets people aroused.

    Nonetheless, porn reflects fantasy and not reality, so therefore it can go to the extreme in a lot of cases. I think most sane-thinking people recognize this. I kind of have to laugh at how much effort was put into exploring this subject though, as it’s really not that serious IMHO.

  22. Jay wrote:

    Pink & White Productions’ Crash Pad and Superfreak use actors from a variety of racial backgrounds. I don’t recall any racism in either title. They’re directed by a queer woman of color, Shine Louise Houston, and most of the scenes are lesbian, although some scenes have more genderqueer performers.

  23. Wendi Muse wrote:

    jay,
    i read a review recently about Superfreak, particularly because of it being a) diverse and b) incredibly realistic. it also got kudos for not being alienating to lesbians who may not identify with some other lesbian porn made in the past, but also not with the more mainstream porn industry’s answer to lesbian porn (aka hyper fake…gotta love the super long nails lol…total accident waiting to happen, and possibly a worker’s comp law suit)

  24. trooper6 wrote:

    Hm. I’ve actually seen a lot of interracial porn that fits your standards.

    It usually falls under two categories, either a) it isn’t about interracial sex, but does have some in it–some of the Star Trek parody porn will have BW/WM sex between Kirk and Uhura…but that isn’t the point of the porn itself.
    or b) it is gonzo porn where it is just two people have sex with no talking and no music. Can’t comment all sketchily on race when no one is talking at all.

  25. Danielle wrote:

    porn has many problems, why is it that all i’ve heard being critisized is racism in porn when mysogiony or whoever its spelt is a more wide spread issue and yet no one seems to care?!?!?!?

  26. Wendi Muse wrote:

    danielle,

    you seriously think that no one cares about sexism and mysoginy in porn? have you ever wandered over to feministing, feministe, or any other feminist blog? or maybe read any books on porn by feminists and well, a lot of other people? i think that aspect of porn is talked about all the time. however, as stated above, this blog is about the intersection of race and pop culture, so we cover things from a race angle. of course, many posts delve into race ntersecting with various other aspects of our identities/backgrounds, but in this case, the focus is race. i am not saying there is no mysoginy in porn bc there is, sorry for the pun, a buttload of it. but that is not what i am writing about here or in my previous pieces on porn.

    i suggest checking out some of the sites i listed above and just type in feminist theory and porn on google and you will indeed find plenty of people talking about it.

  27. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    > I am curious as to why interracial porn of the bm/wf variety seems to be the most popular niche fetish porn.

    Leezel – I recall reading a statistic a few years ago that showed that something like 80% of the folks who buy BM/WF porn are white men.

    The fact that the “big black stud violating white woman’s purity” scenario is such a huge turn-on, I think speaks volumes about both sexism and racism.

  28. KainTheGreat wrote:

    Priya Rai in Milfs like it Big

    They talk about her being his best friends mom but nothing about her ethnicity. I’m not saying it’s pretty, but it meets the criteria.

  29. anony wrote:

    I remember when I was in college, I was introduced to one called “Spring Thomas.” It was interracial (white girl/black guys), and there used to be the most awful comments about welfare, government checks, etc. on the site.

  30. Miles Ellison wrote:

    Interracial porn without stereotypes is like Christianity without Jesus.

  31. Joseph wrote:

    @Wendi Muse
    Back in the mid-90s I remember seeing an interview with Heather Hunter and another black female porn actress (whose name I’ve forgotten) on Bev Smith’s old talk show on BET. Heather Hunter talked about using her (then) star status to influence the way she was portrayed re: race. I remember them specifically talking about corny, racist porn titles she’d veto’ed. Anyway, I have always wondered about the influence of PoC in the porn industry, behind and in front of the camera… how much control do they really have when it comes to these sorts of portrayals?

  32. Marco wrote:

    “Leezel – I recall reading a statistic a few years ago that showed that something like 80% of the folks who buy BM/WF porn are white men.
    The fact that the “big black stud violating white woman’s purity” scenario is such a huge turn-on, I think speaks volumes about both sexism and racism.”

    That’s interesting especially given the general amount of disdain some white audiences have for Black men/White women lead movie roles. I guess it doesn’t transfer into porn fantasy.

    Thinking about it some more…it seems like the pleasure white men have in seeing white women engage in an aggressive sex scene (or more accurately, rape simulation) with a black man is derived from the violent nature of the act. Indeed, I would venture to say that a substantial portion of porn of the rape simulation variety involves bm/wf or often groups of Black men with white women.

  33. Tom wrote:

    “Interracial” porn is by name alone invoking a certain fetishistic idea. Someone searching for or advertising a porno as “interracial” is gearing towards the stereotypical depictions of those races. Which may not be pretty, but it’s a ridiculous sample bias to google search “interracial” porn and be surprised that race plays a key factor in the scenes. As others have mentioned, there’s tons of porn (both soft, hard, amateur and mainstream) with many multi-ethnic actors and actresses that just don’t ever bring the issue up, because the focus (a parody of Seinfeld perhaps) lies elsewhere.

    I mean, you wouldn’t google search “Sexy older women” and be shocked, or take it as a representable example, when something like “Milf Hunter” pops up first, would you?

  34. Mammith wrote:

    I think marketing anything as interracial rather than just sex immediately makes me ick. I swing both ways and have seen a fair amount of gay and straight porn over the years and both have serious problems in that regard.

    Though I would note, the amount of gay porn that seems to just have MOC doing it without any weird stereotypes on display and being called ‘interracial’ is a tad higher than that of WOC/MOC in straight porn.

  35. Jack D. wrote:

    Non-race-exploitive porn can be found, but usually by accident. The vast majority of mainstream clips involving different skin tones almost always make reference to it. Even if the video itself is free of racial identifiers, the guy who writes the title slaps something stupid on it.

    The porn most likely to turn up on a random browser search, or featured on the biggest porn clearinghouse sites, has a white default — race isn’t mentioned at all unless one of the players has dark skin.

    (Yes, these are personal experiential observations.)

  36. funguy wrote:

    I’ve seen plenty of porn that don’t mention race and plenty that do. Porn always targets a fetish, be it anal, interracial, black, Asian, Latino, orgy etc.

  37. Brigitte wrote:

    @ Joseph

    “Back in the mid-90s I remember seeing an interview with Heather Hunter and another black female porn actress (whose name I’ve forgotten) on Bev Smith’s old talk show on BET.”

    I remember that episode though I can’t remember the other performer’s name either :( Honestly before that show I didn’t really know that black people did porn.

  38. Marco wrote:

    @Jack D.

    “race isn’t mentioned at all unless one of the players has dark skin.”

    You’re absolutely right. Whiteness is completely taken for granted in porn. In large part, it is only a “fetish” if it involves a non-white person. There are some notable exceptions, i.e. porn focusing on “Blondes” or “Brunettes” or the “Eastern European” but whiteness itself is never mentioned because it is the default category. This supports the idea that a large majority of porn is made for a white audience (be they straight, lesbian or gay).

  39. Fiqah wrote:

    @Brigitte @Joseph: It was Angel Kelly. She was WAY bigger than Heather in the industry, but no one ever seems to remember her. Maybe it’s ’cause Li’l Kim never shouted her out in any songs. Mmm-hmm.

    Ya know, it occurs to me that this was all kinda heavy stuff for a teenager (like I was back then)to be taking in. Dag. I really AM the one my mother warned me about. ;)

  40. ztastz wrote:

    The only interracial porn I can think of that meet that criteria usually have WoC with white men or men of color, but not always. I’ve read many WoC in porn dislike that sort of environment.

    A few black male porn stars, like Mr. Marcus-and Mandingo, oddly enough-manage to avoid making a big deal of race during their scenes. Mandingo probably avoids it most times because his race isn’t his, um, big selling point.

    Gay and lesbian interracial porn often make the cut. I don’t recall there being too many mentions of race unless it’s in the title or description of the clip/movie.

  41. Mr Blacksexxx wrote:

    Valid Points from all of the posters. Sadly this type of issues with IR porn will continue as long as you have the type of people running porn and taking their directing tips from those like the bozos that run ghetto gaggers and redneck gangbang.

  42. ashlynn wrote:

    @ztastz: i was just about to mention Lex in that duo as well. I think he did a few scenes with Belladonna(who I personally loove), and it was more about the sex than the race, as it should be. I have seen a few different bits were race wasn’t the main focus, largely because there was a greater theme at play(as mentioned). I would put TTBoy out there for his films, because he is very non-discriminate, but to have a whole series titled Black/Asian/Latina/etc Street Hookers is a whole other Racialicious post. lol

    Listen, I watch a lot of porn. I’m generally down for anything, and so I understand that you are going to see a lot of stereotypical sit out there, which is why perhaps the more socially aware porn viewers need to let their favorite actors, actresses, and companies know what they want to spend their money on so that there’s no need for the questionable stuff like the IR category in general, and the far more disgusting categories like rape fantasies and underage fantasies that involve childlike characters.

  43. DanceHallKing wrote:

    @ashlynn: I used to fuck with (not literally ) TTBoy and Jake Steed’s videos. Mostly because they were so goofy and I could relate to them. Stuff like having their boys up in the videos trying to hit and the actress sayin’ “hell no i’m not fuckin’ him no matter how much you payin’ me” LOL!

  44. Anthony Kennerson wrote:

    Being a Black man who is definitely on the side of the “sex positive feminists” and who does watch a great deal of porn, I believe that I have a word or fifty to say on this.

    Yes, I do not argue the fact that a lot of IR porn does pander to some of the most ridiculous racist stereotypes….especially the “Mandingo” stereotype of Black men with super large penises penetrating young, virginal, White women.

    To me, though, that is less the fault of the performers themselves than to the producers and distributors of sexual media who are too set on their “formulas” for making money through pandering to a specific White demographic..and to the fundamental lack of progressive vision that far too many distributors of adult media seem to have.

    I do think that there is a hidden market out there for non-degrading, mutually pleasurable porn that celebrates true passion and diversity. Problem is, as long as it is only middle- to upper-middle-class Whites who are the majority market for IR, and as long as the producers and distributors aren’t willing to take some risks and offer themselves to different demographics, then not much will change regarding the more dehumaninizing content.

    On the other hand, though, the erotic charge of the more stereotypical portrayals of IR porn can’t be denied, and I’m not sure that unless we get an overall redistribution of economic opportunites where we can create a more rounded market open to more creative contexts, it’s far easier for porn distributors to stick with whatever gets them paid….and what plays most to their current base.

    Even with that, there are plenty of performers and studios who do their best to buck the trend and produce erotically charged yet more progressive content. Candida Royalle’s newly created Afrodite line (hopefully I got the name right) of videos is one example; and male actors such as Mr. Marcus, C. J. Wright, Tyler Knight, and Lexington Steele have also used their power from within to create less oppressive roles for Black men. Likewise, women like Marie Luv, Sinnamon Love, Monica Foster, and countless others have done their part to humanize the portrayals of Black womoen in porn.

    Why not give support to those women and men who want to provide a more progressive, more humane, and less racist erotic medium?? It certainly beats the alternative of either simply accepting the status quo or joining the abolitionists who would simply use it as a weapon to banish ALL explicit media.

    Just my opinion….nothing but.

    Anthony

  45. Wendi Muse wrote:

    i agree, anthony. i think a lot of people are in the field for the money as well, so they allow themselves to be reduced to stereotypes to make a living. clearly, the porn industry is not the only entertainment outlet where performers feel preessured to do that. porn is often a microcosm of any other entertainment industry, but now as it is growing and has become a part of the mainstream, it mirrors other mainstream entertainment.

    as this blog deals with pop culture and race, my emphasis was on mainstream porn. i recognize that lots of smaller, independent companies are making quality porn at least in terms of race and in some cases gender and sexuality too (i.e. some of the lesbian porn mentioned in comments above).

    in response to another comment above re: belladonna…i like her too and i think she has done a lot for women in the industry in the sense that she seems pretty in control of things (i.e. her scenes) both on screen and behind the scenes. however, even she has stooped to some seriously racist crap…like a film produced by her company called “Dark Meat.” one of my friends alerted me to this a while back bc he was like…am i imagining things or does she really say “give me that nigger cock” in the trailer? unfortunately, the answer was yes, and this, in conjunction already with the racist aspect of the film itself, was troubling.

  46. ashlynn wrote:

    @DanceHallKing: lmfao YES…titles aside, he has made a niche for himself.his website commentary is just as ridiculous too.

  47. ashlynn wrote:

    Wendi Muse: I vaguely remember hearing about that…I haven’t seen everything of her-lol pardon the pun- so when I caught wind of it I was pretty shocked. I can’t speak on her behalf so I won’t, but i certainly had some reservations still being a fan after that. nonetheless one can still respect how she is very in control of her work. however that does pose an interesting question, especially in light of Steve McNair’s(granted, not race related) death: does one misstep deter your entire path in regards to race? I’m thinking of Michael Richardson and Thomas Jefferson, many others…I’d love to hear other’s opinions on that.

  48. Tobi wrote:

    I think it makes a big difference whether it’s “interacial porn” or porn that is interacial. By that, I mean, if you’re google searching for “interacial porn” you’re only going to find the porn that is marketed as such, violating criteria 3 right off the bat. And due to it’s marketing goals, it’s likely to violate each of the other criteria too.

    Also, what’s visible as interacial makes a difference too. “Interacial porn” often goes for as much skin contrast as possible and probably wouldn’t consider a scene between two brown folks of different races to be “interacial.”

    But if you start by looking through oppression-aware porn, you’ll find a lot of stuff where the race of the characters isn’t mentioned. I’ve done a bit of work in the porn industry, and every scene I’v done has been with somone of a different race then me, each passing your criteria glowingly. Some of my favorite collegues, including those who do mainstream work, find themselves in similar situations.

  49. T wrote:

    I enjoyed this post. It’s something that I’ve definitely noticed as pervasive. I wonder if there is any extended research on this phenomenon -there has got to be interesting/critical things to say about the erotic functioning of certain ossified racial stereotypes. Also -the social/political/economic dynamics of ‘porn genres’ would probably be another really interesting avenue for critical thought. There are so many good critiques of the political economy of porn, qua industry, but it seems to me that the features broached in this post are under-theorized and deserve more critical attention.

    Also- if anyone is interested, I recently wrote a post here (http://pink-scare.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-is-racism.html) on the question of ‘what is racism?’ that is relevant to some of the issues in the above post.

  50. Ms. Dot Dot Dot wrote:

    you know the blogger who does
    whitemenwhopreferblackwomen
    wrote an interesting (but rather long piece) on black women in the porn industry as well..
    It’s difficult because even in the porn industry black women weren’t welcomed in with open arms.
    one of the pioneering black pornstars (her name is slipping my mind right now) actually took the wack jobs and less pay because I guess she understood the lack/ill representation of us in the porn industry.
    As for the name calling (cumdrippers yatta yatta) that’s A) the porn industry.. there are videos of white teens titled this little teen whore sucking **** and Desi women ..two desi *****es go at it! the porn industry shows little love to women of any race B)however, I do see that its been directed and the black females more often than not.. but recently I’ve noticed that black women have to be addressed in a slightly better fashion.. there will be a few things you’ll come across… chocolate goddess, ebony babe (I see that one ALOT)
    it’s a work in progress..
    and like you said it’s a industry built by WHITE MALES.
    the blogger I mentioned above was saying that black women have this outward repulsion to sexuality… there’s truly a stigma around issues of sexuality in our community.. speaking of diseases, pleasure,
    stepping beyond boundaries..
    black women for the most part won’t do. it.. just for fear of falling into the stereotypes placed on our sexuality
    there was a even a study spoken about on the wendy williams experience that said alot of black women won’t consider their husbands sexual fantasies… it went further to say most that do (somewhere around 80%) show an attitude even when oral sex is mentioned..
    This doesn’t exist to that extent in other communities..
    so I mean unless we step out and more of us are able to alter that image in the industry.. who’s going to change it?

    went on a little rant.. but it’s true.. I’m a dark skinned girl and all. but I’m tired of always being labeled as someone who COMPLAINS! I love that we speak up but when do we ever DO anything? that’s the issue. Actions speak louder than words(even if you’ve been yelling about it for centuries)..

  51. NancyP wrote:

    What about the amateur-made stuff?

  52. MoeHailstone wrote:

    The industry is always going to go for the shock value in its themes and titles. Porn is always going to push those buttons and is searching for arousal points in the deepest recessions of the mind. So its always a sticking point for most of the silly ass themes. One thing I keep hearing is the target audience is only white men…lol You don’t realize how many white and hispanic women are into these interracial porn sites and movies where the themes have much to do with arousing them. Cuckolding is only a certain aspect of it that has really gained popularity over the last 10 yrs when it comes to the mainstream. You’d be surprised at how many women are turned on, both married and mostly unmarried women, that can only see these images and dark seeded desires in these films. These white and hispanic women represent why interracial porn has taken off like it has not the men.

    Having run several groups myself I’ve found that the rougher and more visceral the theme, the more women flock to the group or website. Furthermore its not about progression of society, this is about titillation and getting off. Now for those working within the industry have a desire to be compensated and treated with a higher degree of dignity (did i really type that?) I understand…hopefully many of those black women start their own production companies and websites which is where the real money is in porn anyway.

    Most black female actresses in porn may make as little as $500 per scene that she shoots and thats if they have a name for themselves. Why fight that uphill battle when you can start a website and make your own videos and hire a photographer and go to town…all you really need is 500 yahoos to pay $29.95 a month and you’re makin’ $15,000 monthly and make “progressive” porn…

    See the real deal is the internet has made the porn industry a more level playing field. All of these interracial themes and such came into the porn lexicon when all these amateur sites popped up with variations of what mainstream, all white, boring ass Jenna Jamesonesque porn had been ignoring. So to me…if those want that change go make your own …you dont have to just pander to the larger companies…just take steps to start your own…affect the pockets of the larger companies and thats how change comes about. Complaining went out in the 60’s…get a grip

  53. MoeHailstone wrote:

    I forgot to say…there is a tremendous amount of interracial porn that pass the questions test posed earlier…

  54. Shawn wrote:

    You might want to check out the films from PRIVATE, which are very respectful of women (for the porn industry) and tend to focus more on location and quality than skin color. It has real acting and a plot!

  55. Robin wrote:

    “Considering this test is generally quite successful in determining if a film has any substance…”

    Say WHAAAAAAAT? Any test where Bratz passes and Godfather fails can not be called a successful barometer of substance. Sure, it’s unreasonable how much women have been neglected in film, and yes, more films should feature the larger percentage of the population interacting like real people, but saying that films about men are devoid of substance is simplistic and astoundingly silly.