“The Not-So-Hidden Politics of Class Online”

by Guest Contributor danah boyd, originally published at Zephoria


[This is a rough unedited crib of the actual talk]

Citation: boyd, danah. 2009. “The Not-So-Hidden Politics of Class Online.” Personal Democracy Forum, New York, June 30.

This talk was written for a specific audience – the attendees of the Personal Democracy Forum. This audience is primarily American, primarily liberal-leaning, primarily white, and primarily involved professionally in politics in one way or another. Keep this audience in mind when I’m talking about “we” here.

Good morning!

Many of us in this room have had our lives transformed by technology. Some of us have grown up with tech while others have embraced it as adults. Many of us have become enamored with tech and its transformative potential. And because of this, many of us have become technology advocates. We’ve worked our way into different institutions, preaching about new opportunities introduced because of the internet. Furthermore, many in this room have been active in transforming politics through technology. We’ve leveraged technology for fundraising and getting out the vote. We could go on and on about political events that have been shaped by technology, from the Obama Campaign to the post-election Iranian protests.

All of this is brilliant and powerful, exciting and motivating. But I’m also worried. I’m worried about the rhetoric we use when we talk about technology. Given what we’ve experienced and what we witness today, we tend to believe that these technologies are the great equalizers, that they can help ANYONE participate, that the technologies in and of themselves can revitalize democracy. In other words, we tend to believe in a certain utopian myth of the internet as the savior. What if this weren’t true?

There’s nothing more tricky than standing up in front of a room full of people passionate about transforming society at a conference on big ideas and asking you to do a privilege check, but I’m going to do so anyhow because I’m a masochist. More acutely, I think that we need to unpack what’s happening with technology in order to productively engage with the development of technology. You need to understand the sticking points in order to move the needle in the right direction.

I want to ask a favor here today. I want you to step away from the techno-hyperbole for just a moment and think about issues of inequality and social stratification with me. I want you to think about the ways in which technology is not equally available or equally transformative.

For decades, we’ve assumed that inequality in relation to technology has everything to do with “access” and that if we fix the access problem, all will be fine. This is the grand narrative of concepts like the “digital divide.” Yet, increasingly, we’re seeing people with similar levels of access engage in fundamentally different ways. And we’re seeing a social media landscape where participation “choice” leads to a digital reproduction of social divisions. This is most salient in the States which is intentionally the focus of my talk here today.

MySpace vs. Facebook

Rather than staying in land of abstract, let’s go concrete. To do so, let’s deal directly with a very specific case study: MySpace vs. Facebook. How many of you currently use Facebook? [90%+ of the audience raises their hands.] How many of you currently use MySpace? [A few lone figures raise their hands.] Look around.

Two weeks ago, comScore released numbers showing that Facebook and MySpace were neck-and-neck in terms of unique user visits in the U.S. The meta-narrative was that Facebook was winning in the States and that MySpace was dying. I would argue that the numbers can be read differently. The numbers show that MySpace has neither grown nor faded in the last year while Facebook has expanded rapidly and has finally reached the same size. Of course, this is not to say that Facebook isn’t doing tremendously. In a business environment where monetization is shaky, the only definition of success is “growth.” Given that, it’s reasonable to see Facebook as more successful than MySpace this year. But we still need to account for the fact that as many people visit MySpace as Facebook and that, as exemplified by the people in this room, that’s not because there’s a complete overlap of users. Even if you think that Facebook is winning the game, we need to account for the fact that *70 million* people in the US visited MySpace. That’s not small potatoes.

As is the case in many situations, teenagers are a darn good indicator of broader trends. I’m an ethnographer. For the last four years, I’ve been traveling the United States, talking to American teenagers about their use of social media. During the 2006-2007 school year, I started noticing a trend. In each school, in each part of the country, there were teens who opted for MySpace and teens who opted for Facebook. (There were also plenty of teens who used both.) At the beginning of the school year, teens were asking “Are you on MySpace? Yes or No?” At the end of the school year, the question had transformed to “MySpace or Facebook?” Given this transformation, I started analyzing my data to understand the transition. I also went back into the field to specifically talk to teens about the tensions between MySpace and Facebook. What follows are quotes from my fieldwork.

In analyzing this data, one can reasonably see this as a matter of individual choice in a competitive market. There are plenty of teenagers who will tell you that they are on one or the other as a matter of personal preference having to do with the features or functionality.

Jordan (15, Austin): [Facebook has] unlimited pictures. I like that.

Melanie (15, Kansas): I leave a lot more comments on Facebook, just because that’s more what Facebook’s about more than MySpace.

Catalina (15, Austin): [Facebook] doesn’t take eight hours to load the page. That really bothered me [about MySpace].

There are also those who will talk about design and usability.

Anindita (17, LA): Facebook’s easier than MySpace but MySpace is more complex. You can add things to it. You can add music, make backgrounds and layouts, but Facebook is just plain white and that’s it.

Heather (16, Iowa): It’s much easier to use Facebook than MySpace. MySpace is a little complicated. You have to be in the network. It’s complicated and some people are just kind of too lazy to do that.

Teens will also talk about their perceptions of different sites, about what they think certain affordances mean or how they perceive the sites in relation to values they hold such as safety.

Cachi (18, Iowa): Facebook is less competitive than MySpace. It doesn’t have the Top 8 thing or anything like that, or the background thing.

Tara (16, Michigan): [Facebook] kind of seemed safer, but I don’t know like what would make it safer, like what main thing. But like, I don’t know, it just seems like everything that people say, it seems safer.

And of course the dominant explanation teens will give to justify their choice has to do with their friends. Simply put, they go where their friends are.

Kevin (15, Seattle): I’m not big on Facebook; I’m a MySpace guy. I have a Facebook and I have some friends on it, but most of my friends don’t check it that often so I don’t check it that often.

Red (17, Iowa): I am on Facebook and MySpace. I don’t talk to people on MySpace anymore … the only reason I still have my MySpace is because my brother’s on there.

All of this would be fine and dandy if friendships and aesthetics and values weren’t inherently intertwined with issues of race, socio-economic status, education, and other factors that usually make up our understanding of “class.” But they are. And the further into the analysis you go, the more uncomfortable the data might make you feel.

Kat (14, Mass.): I’m not really into racism, but I think that MySpace now is more like ghetto or whatever, and Facebook is all… not all the people that have Facebook are mature, but its supposed to be like oh we’re more mature. … MySpace is just old.

This quote provides the key to understanding the distinction between MySpace and Facebook. Choice isn’t about features of functionality. It’s about the social categories in which we live. It’s about choosing sites online that reflect “people like me.” And it’s about seeing the “other” site as the place where the “other” people go.

Anastasia (17, New York): My school is divided into the ‘honors kids,’ (I think that is self-explanatory), the ‘good not-so-honors kids,’ ‘wangstas,’ (they pretend to be tough and black but when you live in a suburb in Westchester you can’t claim much hood), the ‘latinos/hispanics,’ (they tend to band together even though they could fit into any other groups) and the ‘emo kids’ (whose lives are allllllways filled with woe). We were all in MySpace with our own little social networks but when Facebook opened its doors to high schoolers, guess who moved and guess who stayed behind… The first two groups were the first to go and then the ‘wangstas’ split with half of them on Facebook and the rest on MySpace… I shifted with the rest of my school to Facebook and it became the place where the ‘honors kids’ got together and discussed how they were procrastinating over their next AP English essay.

Teens – and adults – use social categories and labels to identify people with values, tastes, and social positions. As teens chose between MySpace and Facebook, these sites took on the frames of those social categories. Nowhere is this more visible than in the language that those who explicitly chose Facebook over MySpace.

Craig (17, California): The higher castes of high school moved to Facebook. It was more cultured, and less cheesy. The lower class usually were content to stick to MySpace. Any high school student who has a Facebook will tell you that MySpace users are more likely to be barely educated and obnoxious. Like Peet’s is more cultured than Starbucks, and Jazz is more cultured than bubblegum pop, and like Macs are more cultured than PC’s, Facebook is of a cooler caliber than MySpace.

As adults began engaging with Facebook, another twist emerged around perceived maturity. One thing to keep in mind… there’s plenty of documentation about how teenagers from wealthier, more educated backgrounds are more willing to participate in environments alongside adults than those from poorer backgrounds. Of course, this language has more to do with perception and values than actual co-participation.

Kaitlyn (14, Georgia): Facebook is for old people.

Melanie (15, Kansas): Facebook is way better. MySpace is just boring, and it’s still lame because you can still make the background like you’re a little kid on Xanga, and Facebook is more like adultness.

In this example, note that Kaitlyn chooses MySpace in order to keep away from “old people” while Melanie embraces Facebook to engage with adult society.

In looking through my data, I found that teens who prefer Facebook are far more likely to be condescending towards those who use MySpace than vice versa. Teens who use MySpace may lament teen Facebook users as “stuck-ups” or “goodie two-shoes” or the “good kids.” But they’re not nearly as harsh in their language as Facebook users are of those who use MySpace.


Explanations

There are many potential explanations for how we got here.

One explanation comes from looking at the origin points. Early adopters matter – they shape services in the long-term. MySpace came out first and quickly attracted urban 20-somethings. It spread to teenagers through older siblings and cousins as well as those who were attracted to indie rock and hip hop music culture. Facebook started at Harvard and spread to the Ivy Leagues before spreading more broadly. The first teenagers to hear about Facebook were those connected to the early adopters of Facebook (i.e. the Ivy League bound types). The desirability of the site spread from those college-bound teens. As word of these sites spread, teens went to where their friends were. The origin points of these sites explain many of people’s choices, especially when it comes to first adoption because people adopt the sites that their friends adopt. Yet, it doesn’t explain why people some people left MySpace to join Facebook and others did not.

One way of thinking about the transition from MySpace to Facebook is through the frame of fashion cycles and fads. MySpace was first; arguably, some people got sick of it and, when Facebook came along, voila! This is certainly true for many teens (and adults), but this explanation would only work if MySpace was dead or if users of MySpace thought of it as uncool. The fact that MySpace is still quite popular among a certain segment of the population. Only a month ago, I was doing fieldwork in Atlanta where I found heavy usage of MySpace among certain groups of youth. They knew of Facebook but had no interest in leaving MySpace to join Facebook.

Herein lies the reality that makes all of this quite messy to deal with. It wasn’t just anyone who left MySpace to go to Facebook. In fact, if we want to get to the crux of what unfolded, we might as well face an uncomfortable reality… What happened was modern day “white flight.” Whites were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. The educated were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. Those from wealthier backgrounds were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. Those from the suburbs were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. Those who deserted MySpace did so by “choice” but their decision to do so was wrapped up in their connections to others, in their belief that a more peaceful, quiet, less-public space would be more idyllic.

This dynamic was furthered by the press, an institution that stems from privilege and tends to reflect the lives of a more privileged class of people. They narrated MySpace as the dangerous underbelly of the Internet while Facebook was the utopian savior. And here we get back to Kat’s point: MySpace has become the “ghetto” of the digital landscape. The people there are more likely to be brown or black and to have a set of values that terrifies white society. And many of us have habitually crossed the street to avoid what is seen as the riff-raff.

The fact that digital migration is revealing the same social patterns as urban white flight should send warning signals to everyone out there. And if we think back to the language used by teens who use Facebook when talking about MySpace, we should be truly alarmed. Those who are from privileged backgrounds tend to be far more condescending towards those who are not than vice versa. Many of us in this room come from privileged worlds where we want to “help” those who are not well-off. Here is where a privilege-check is necessary. How often do our language and mannerisms reflect a problematic level of condescension? Perhaps we should look at our teens. They are certainly speaking in a manner that reveals distrust and condescension.

I highlight this because I think that we need to think twice when we dismiss or devalue popular “mainstream” trends and environments. The mainstream isn’t all from a privileged background and the values they bring to the table may look quite different than ours. I suspect that, more often than not, what we’re dismissing are the values and cultures of people who are different. I think that this is blatantly true when it fear becomes operationalized. Fear of the “other” is core to white flight; it is core to suburban attitudes about urban life. But the same thing holds online. Take for example the moral panics around MySpace and online sexual predators. The data has consistently shown that MySpace is not a site of increased risk for youth and that risky behavior is more likely to occur in chatrooms than on MySpace. Yet, if you’re a parent of a teen in this room, you’re probably scared shitless of MySpace. Why? What are you scared of? Are you scared of the site or the possibility that your child might be exposed to values that are different than yours? Are you scared of the display of sexuality or just the display of working class sexuality? Needless to say, that’s a topic for a whole different conversation.

While teens are the starting point of this division, it has percolated through adult adoption as well. And more explicitly so. Unlike teens who are often straddling MySpace and Facebook, most adults are active on one or the other unless they have a specific professional or hobby-based reason to be on both. Many of you know people who joined Facebook in the last year. Well, numerous adults have also joined MySpace in the last year. My guess is that no many of you know adults who have recently created accounts on MySpace. Why? Because they probably aren’t like you.

In many ways, adult worlds are even more divided than teen worlds. Adults are less likely to know other adults who aren’t like them than teens are. There’s a concept in sociology called “homophily.” It means birds of a feather stick together. Whites know whites. Democrats know Democrats. Urbanites know urbanites. Tech people know tech people. Rich people know rich people. And before you immediately start listing the people you know that aren’t like you, realize that this is the auto-reaction to an uncomfortable reality (more colloquially noticeable when people refer to “my black friend…”). Structurally, social networks are driven by homophily even when there are individual exceptions. And sure enough, in the digital world, we see this manifested right before our eyes.

One thing to keep in mind about social media: the internet mirrors and magnifies pre-existing dynamics. And it makes many different realities much more visible than ever before. Racial divisions in American society should not shock anyone in this room, but the explicit-ness of them online can be quite startling. For example, even schools that are “integrated” show racial rifts through Friending practices. You can see homophily online and you can see the ways in which people who share physical space do not share emotional connections.

Implications

So why am I telling you that Facebook and MySpace are divided by race, class, education, and other factors? Because it matters. And we need to talk about and address the implications of this divides.

First off, when people are structurally divided, they do not share space with one another and they do not communicate with one another. This can and does breed intolerance. Sociologists are obsessed with homophily because of the social and economic implications for such divisions. If you don’t know people who are different than you, you don’t trust them. Think about this in the context of the politics around gay rights. The #1 predictor for how someone will side in issues of gay rights is whether or not they know someone who is gay.

Social network sites complicate this even further. Social network sites are not like email where it doesn’t matter if you’re on Hotmail or Yahoo. When you choose MySpace or Facebook, you can’t send messages to people on the other site. You can’t Friend people on the other site. There’s a cultural wall between users. And if there’s no way for people to communicate across the divide, you can never expect them to do so.

All this said, people are already divided and we accept that people from different backgrounds inhabit different environments. We cannot expect technology to automatically integrate people and generate cultural harmony. Although most of you call these sites “social networking sites,” there’s almost no networking going on. People use these sites to connect to the people they know. In other words, even if they could talk across the divide, they might not anyhow. And even when people talk across differences, it doesn’t automatically solve underlying tensions. Racial integration of schools was valuable for many reasons, but it didn’t solve racism in this country.

But here’s the main issue with social divisions. We can accept when people choose to connect to people who are like them and not friend different others. But can we accept when institutions and services only support a portion of the network? When politicians only address half of their constituency? When educators and policy makers engage with people only through the tools of the privileged? When we start leveraging technology to meet specific goals, we may reinforce the divisions that we’re trying to address.

If you want people to connect around politics and democracy, information and ideas, you need to understand the divisions that exist. Many of us in this room see social network sites as a modern day incarnation of the public sphere. Politicians login to these sites to connect with constituents and hear their voices. Campaign managers and activists try to rally people through these sites. Market researchers try to get a sense of people’s opinions through these sites. Educators try to connect with students and build knowledge sharing communities. This is fantastic. But there isn’t one uniform public sphere. There are numerous publics (and counterpublics).

In many ways, the Internet is providing a next generation public sphere. Unfortunately, it’s also bringing with it next generation divides. The public sphere was never accessible to everyone. There’s a reason than the scholar Habermas talked about it as the bourgeois public sphere. The public sphere was historically the domain of educated, wealthy, white, straight men. The digital public sphere may make certain aspects of public life more accessible to some, but this is not a given. And if the ways in which we construct the digital public sphere reinforce the divisions that we’ve been trying to break down, we’ve got a problem.

Not everyone has the skills or understanding to engage with the public sphere in a meaningful manner. If you think that civics education is in bad shape in this country, take a look at media literacy. Digital publics combine the worst of both of these. Most of you in this room learned to use Twitter and Facebook through your friends. Collectively, you set the norms for what is appropriate among your network. If you aren’t part of these networks, these technologies may feel very foreign. I recommend each and every one of you to login to MySpace and try to make sense of it today. It will feel foreign to you because it’s not your community, it’s not your friends. Now imagine how people who aren’t like you feel when they walk into Facebook or Twitter.

So as we think about creating public spaces, what’s the meeting point for our conversations? Is it MySpace or Facebook? Twitter or IRC? What you choose matters. Where you and your colleagues hang out matters. The “voices” of the Internet that you get are biased by the people who are in the places that you hang out. But do you know this? Do you account for it? Are you working to represent all people or just the people that you can see and hear? When you’re trying to reach out to people, are you trying to reach out to all people or just the people in the environments that you understand? Are you embracing difference or are you only taking into account that with which you are comfortable?

In the US, we can talk about MySpace and Facebook, but the politics are different in every country. What divides people often differs as well, although “class” is still salient almost everywhere. For example, if you look at Indian use of social media, you’ll see a divide between Orkut and Facebook that plays out along caste and professional lines. Even if you’re not working in the States, you need to account for social divisions. You just might have to look in different places.

Divides also play out inside sites. Consider everyone’s beloved Twitter. For starters, who uses the site represents a small minority of American (let alone international) online participants. Teens, for example, are not using the site. But even among those who are, they aren’t part of one gigantic public space. Consider the discussion of the Iranian election. If you were in certain cohorts, you couldn’t miss the green-ification of people’s profiles, the discussions of #iranelection. But, even though said conversations were massively prolific, only a small percentage of the user base was even aware of this beyond the trending topic. Those who were following 50cent and Miley Cyrus were oblivious to these conversations. And, in a matter of moments, this became visible when Michael Jackson died and captured the attention of a much broader swath of users, nearly taking Twitter down with it. In your world, Iran probably matters more than Michael Jackson. But don’t for a second think that this is universal.

MySpace vs. Facebook is not the only divide taking place online nor will it be the last. These divides are going to keep on happening as social media becomes increasingly prevalent and as features of social media are baked into every site on the web.


Takeaways

Talking about inequality and social stratification is difficult and messy. Even as I’m diving into this data, I find myself struggling to get my words around these issues because it is patently clear that Americans – self included – do not have a language for talking about issues of race and class and stratification. Academically, we primarily rely on British language but this doesn’t work so well in the States. So, as you think about these issues, don’t feel badly if you find yourself stumbling over words or facing ideas that you can’t articulate. Goddess knows, I struggled in writing this talk. And I’m sure that I offended some, but my hope here is to get to the crux of the story, even if my language is imprecise.

Before I leave you, I want to more explicitly highlight the ideas I hope you can take away from this talk.

1) Social stratification is pervasive in American society (and around the globe). Social media does not magically eradicate inequality. Rather, it mirrors what is happening in everyday life and makes social divisions visible. What we see online is not the property of these specific sites, but the pattern of adoption and development that emerged as people embraced them. People brought their biases with them to these sites and they got baked in.

2) There is no universal public online. What we see as user “choice” in social media often has to do with structural forces like homophily in people’s social networks. Social stratification in this country is not cleanly linked to race or education or socio-economic factors, although all are certainly present. More than anything, social stratification is a social networks issue. People connect to people who think like them and they think like the people with whom they are connected. The digital publics that unfold highlight and reinforce structural divisions.

3) If you are trying to connect with the public, where you go online matters. If you choose to make Facebook your platform for civic activity, you are implicitly suggesting that a specific class of people is more worth your time and attention than others. Of course, splitting your attention can also be costly and doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll be reaching everyone anyhow. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. The key to developing a social media strategy is to understand who you’re reaching and who you’re not and make certain that your perspective is accounting for said choices. Understand your biases and work to counter them.

4) The Internet has enabled many new voices to enter the political fray, but not everyone is sitting at the table. There’s a terrible tendency in this country, and especially among politically minded folks, to interpret an advancement as a solution. We have not eradicated racism. We have not eradicated sexism. We have not eradicated inequality. While we’ve made tremendous strides in certain battles, the war is not over. The worst thing we can do is to walk away and congratulate ourselves for all of the good things that have happened. Such attitudes create new breeding grounds for increased stratification.

The more that we rely on certain kinds of social media as the solution, the more we define a modern day “second class citizenship.” We desperately need to address issues of access and media literacy to combat this, but we also need to re-engage around broader issues of inequality, intolerance, and social divisions. Technology isn’t the savior, but it sure can highlight the work we need to do. We have some serious work to do, work that goes beyond technology. We can use technology as a tool to connect with people, but we can’t assume that it will eliminate all of the serious issues we have to face in this country.

My hope is that each and every one of you might begin looking at social media with a critical eye. This is a tremendous time, filled with inspiring case studies. But it’s also a harrowing time where pervasive social stratification is being reified in a new era. If we don’t address this head on, inequality will develop deeper roots that will further cement divisions in our lives. Please don’t look the other way. Please use this as an opportunity to face our societal issues head-on. Thank you!

More Information

This talk is based on research for a much broader project. To learn more, check out Chapter Five in Taken Out of Context: American Teen Sociality in Networked Publics. More detailed (and better theorized) work in this area will be coming soon.

If you are looking for quantitative work on this topic, check out Eszter Hargittai’s JCMC article “Whose Space? Differences Among Users and Non-Users of Social Network Sites.”

To follow my work and findings, see:

* Blog: http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts
* Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/zephoria
* Papers: http://www.danah.org/papers

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Comments

  1. TN wrote:

    Absolutely fascinating and detailed study!

    Although I had to LOL @

    Catalina (15, Austin): [Facebook] doesn’t take eight hours to load the page. That really bothered me [about MySpace].

    I still had dial-up internet when facebook became open to the public so it was an easy choice to move from myspace and not have to spend forever trying to load a myspace page.

  2. N wrote:

    I maintain 4 pages, 2 on FB and 2 on MS. I use FB more because I find it more interactive with quizzes and watergun fights and the pages are easier to load. I never did figure out what I was supposed to DO on MySpace.

    I am more educated, older etc so class may factor into it, but not so much because I perceive MS as a ghetto,but because I place a higher priority on a page loading quickly and being easy to see than I do on personalizing it and making it pretty. And I use FB at work, so not having videos, music and interesting photos pop up unexpectedly is a plus, FB is so ugly looking that it doesn’t attract attention if a coworker passes by and sees the monitor.

    So while it being filled with “ghetto” people isn’t a problem, my need for substance and ease of use and unobtrusiveness at work make FB better for me,just as the need for a quiet street and good schools may mean I chose to live in suburbia and not a downtown area.

    I work in marketing and do have FB and MySpace pages for our companies and the MS ones are tailored more to a younger more “urban” crowd, I actually enjoy working on those more than the FB pages.

  3. Tim Jones-Yelvington wrote:

    This is fascinating.

  4. Antonio wrote:

    As an early adopter of both Myspace and Facebook, this provided a lot of food for thought.

    A few things that I recall:
    1. There was a loud groan from some users when Facebook opened up to the public.
    2. I’ve encountered a lot of pages with garish backgrounds on myspace, to the point I don’t read most people’s pages. There is/was also the issue of music playing as soon as you load the page.
    3. I’ve seen people on Myspace type in all caps, something I’ve never seen on Facebook.

    Now #1 is clearly elitist and exclusionary. There’s also an ageist/generational element to it. A lot of people who started college in the late 90s saw the Internet as a place where they can post stuff about their personal lives, safe from parents and employers. Now obviously employers pay attention to social networking sites now, and parents and employers are catching up as well.

    #2 and #3 might be a class difference or a lack of knowledge about “netiquette”. But I wonder if the annoyance of ugly backgrounds, bad grammar, and instantly playing music can be compared to the bouncing cars, thumping bass, and “loud black/latinos” many middle-class people of all colors complain about. Facebook’s control over backgrounds seems analogous to a HOA that enforces rules to prevent your neighbor from painting his house pink.

    As for the perception of Myspace as the realm of sexual predators, Facebook’s restriction to college users at first meant few, if any, minors had access to the site. Therefore, at least for a time, Myspace was more likely the place a sexual predator could succeed.

    Facebook has also addressed concerns that educated people care about like privacy, hiding annoying status updates, and blocking app invites. Compare this to Myspace, where the only way I found to get rid of a friend’s annoying bulletins is to delete him from my friends. As far as I can tell, Myspace has always played catchup in these areas and many other features. I don’t know of any feature Myspace has beat Facebook to the punch on.

  5. Restructure! wrote:

    As is the case in many situations, teenagers are a darn good indicator of broader trends.

    No, they are not. There is a myth that teens are more web savvy than adults, but this is false. MySpace popularity peaked in 2006, but in 2005, teens accounted for only 24.7% of MySpace users. In 2006, teens accounted for only 11.9% of MySpace users, and most users were over 35.

    Most social networking users are adults, not teens, and you cannot extrapolate from teens to make conclusions about broader technological trends. Twitter is the new thing right now, but the median age of Twitter users is 31, which is higher than the median age of Facebook (26) and MySpace (27) users. Adults, not teens, are the early adopters of social networking sites.

    ***

    I disagree with your explanations about the division between Facebook and MySpace, mostly because following high school students does not make sense when the early adopters of Facebook were university students, and the majority are still adults. Also, your analysis is overly US-centric, as in Canada, there is no Facebook vs. MySpace division, as virtually everyone is on Facebook. I’m a Canadian of colour, and the vast majority of my Facebook friends are people of colour. MySpace is so American.

    It’s really about going where your friends are (like you said), which is why Facebook is the most popular in Canada and the UK, but MySpace was the most popular in the US at one point. Friendster is the most popular in the Philippines, and Cyworld is most popular in South Korea. To project “white flight” and “ghetto” on to Facebook and MySpace is ridiculous, as the rest of the world and the rest of the people of colour of the world do not fit into your simplistic framework.

  6. Bobby wrote:

    Thanks for taking the time to write this piece.

    I used FB because I wanted to connect with my peers, i.e., college students. A couple of people I know on FB have nearly 200 friends, mostly from acquaintances they run into during the 4 years of college. I friended family members, ppl I knew from high school, and fellow college students.

    Couple of things:

    1) Your point about social networking only reflecting real life networking is correct based on my experiences.
    2) If online networking is analogous to real-life relationships, then the analogy of white flight is also valid.
    3) I would easily have 20 more friends on FB if they had a computer or internet access.
    4) Before we start talking about second-class citizenship, we should allow for marketing devices used by MS and FB. They clearly have a hand in who accesses their websites.

  7. Kaonashi wrote:

    Maybe it’s an age bias, but I’m not attracted to either one (as they both seem to target the teen and college crowd). If I had to pick one it would be FB. The vast majority of Myspace pages are horribly designed, lots of people have music playing in the background that you can’t shut off, and the pages take forever to load…even on DSL! I’d much rather go to someone’s personal site.

    I recently joined Twitter and I have to say that one of its appeals is that it doesn’t have a set demographic.

  8. Restructure! wrote:

    To clarify, I agree with your general take-aways, which are trivially true to me as a person of colour, woman, and a Canadian. I find that many white American men believe that they have been exposed to a diversity of ideas, when everyone they surround themselves with is like them, and not representative Internet users in general.

    However, you are making extra essentialist propositions about MySpace and Facebook, and American teens are not representative of general technological trends and patterns with respect to race.

  9. inkst wrote:

    @ Antonio: This, “Facebook’s control over backgrounds seems analogous to a HOA that enforces rules to prevent your neighbor from painting his house pink.” is hilarious.

    @ Restructure!: I felt like the lecturer (and the intro to the post) made it clear that the US was the focus, and they specifically mentioned the fact that dynamics are different in different countries, and I don’t think that it was that over-simplified. In fact, it offers an example of social stratification that complicates the simplistic idea that the internet is the great equalizer. Also, although teens do not account for the majority of users, and I agree that the “tech-savvy teen” is somewhat of a myth, I think that they are, in many ways, a good jumping off point. Studying teens is makes sense in this case in particular because they do tend to be socially jumbled up more than adults (at least in physical spaces like schools). And because of the way things are marketed to them, their patterns of consumption often reflect, like the speaker said, “broader trends.”

    Also, in my own anecdotal experience, I work for a youth-serving agency at our after-school drop-in center, and the vast majority of the youth who come here are youth of color from very poor backgrounds. Guess which social networking site they prefer, hands down? There are a few facebook users here and there, but none of them have given up their myspace account, and that is where they spend most of their time.

    I think that the useful piece of this study and dialogue around this topic is acknowledging the constant segregation that takes place in the US and thinking about the dangerous social implications of it carrying over into these new digital spaces. Even if everyone is on the same site, the speaker’s point about people not really networking with people who they don’t talk to in actual life holds true in my experience.

  10. Elena Perez wrote:

    I linked to this in a piece I did at the CA NOW blog: http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2009/07/postracial-my-ass.html

  11. Seattle Slim wrote:

    Most intriguing!!!! I am amazed at the findings of this study.

    I moved to Facebook because Myspace became a popularity contest.

    “Look at me! I’m a model!”
    “Comment my pics!”
    “Mah name is _____ an I don’ take NO mess”
    “I am angry! F the haters!”

    It just became this thing where it was about meat marketing. In the earliest days of our relationship, Mr. Slim and I fought over the people on his page, etc….

    He doesn’ t have anything but Twitter (jonnyqball79) which I like even more than FB. If I wanted to feel like I was in High school again, I’d just go back. I didn’t so I moved to facebook. I don’t have many friends on there, and the ones that I do have, I would say 95% I know. Army, work buddies, new friends and acquaintances.

  12. Deena wrote:

    Thanks for this. I think Restructure offers a good point about the essay’s relevance to a larger, global community, but from my US-based perspective, I saw a lot of truth.

    It’s strange, though. I do have the perception that social networking for high schoolers and college kids, but Restructure’s stats prove me wrong. I did have a very strong reaction to Facebook opening up past college (and shucks, past the 1st tier schools, if I’m being an honest snob), and the concept of white flight feels appropriate.

    Another essay that gives me a lot to think about. Love it.

  13. jen* wrote:

    I check my myspace about once a month or less. And everytime I think about it, I wonder why I still have it. Myspace IS too cluttered, too cumbersome, etc. When I first signed on in…05? (I think), it was a novelty, and being out of school [having graduated prior to school email accounts being readily available cuz I'm so old] – I couldn’t get on FB.

    People I didn’t want to be friends with found me on myspace, and I caved – friending them. When FB opened up, I jumped, and I still find it easier to ignore or simply leave certain friend requests in limbo than the straight up rejection that happened on myspace. I suppose that’s the passive-aggressive in me.

    Anyway, I have most definitely heard the ‘ghetto’ descriptor applied to myspace vs. facebook though it was at least a year ago. Reading this article spotlighted things I was aware of, but not really paying attention to regarding the demographic differences between the two sites and the larger ramifications of this kind of segregation online.

    I think talking to teenagers was helpful if for no other reason than to see articulated what many adults would couch in code, or simply not mention. I just remember that I ended up on myspace because of a teenager…

    I’ve noticed the difference between the people I find on fb and the ones I don’t, and it tends to be a combination of age, social status, access, and time/availability.

    As for twitter – I’ve resisted thus far simply because I don’t really want to be a member of something else. I’m already on lj, friendster, fb, and myspace. But who knows – I may take the plunge.

  14. Kaonashi wrote:

    @ jen*
    I resisted that damned blue bird for ages before I finally caved in and I’m glad I did because it’s kinda fun!

    Sometimes, you just want to tell the world that you ate the best baloney/chocolate chip sandwich ever and not make a long post out of it.

  15. vcious wrote:

    Fantastic post! I’ve noticed these sort of things as well but never managed to properly phrase them. Also think it’s fantastic you’re doing ethnographical fieldwork.

    I log on MySpace once a month to check on what my favourite bands are up to (tour dates, news updates, whatever) but that’s about it. Facebook I use daily, to check on friends from my own country as well as international friends.

    For me, Facebook’s “safety” also comes from the fact it’s less surfable and you’re hardly ever approached by somebody who you don’t know. I used to get messages from men in countries I’d barely heard of on MySpace. Not too many but regardless; it felt like people would actively seek new friends (even if just to boost their friends count on the site) whereas in Facebook, people only seek out people they know in real life (or used to know, went to school with etc).

    So in a weird sense, to me, FB increases the homophily even further.

    I don’t live in the US but I think the main point of this article stands; what happens in the “real world” is reflected in the online world as well. There are differences, too, but for the most part, people organize and communicate the same.

  16. SayNay wrote:

    Great article. It’s interesting how fast tech changes. I find that the Myspace vs. Facebook argument is becoming increasingly irrelevant as more people are migrating to FB. However, more class issues are emerging even within FB. Antonio mentioned there some backlash when FB opened to the public. In offline conversations, I find this sentiment is growing especially as FB continues to add more features like fan pages, quizzes, apps, etc. Some folks I’ve talked to feel like FB is catering to the “myspace crowd”, which screams a prototype for class. I’ve known some who are getting off FB all together and are exclusively on twitter.

    It seems like there’s a constant need to move on to the next hot thing that presents exclusivity. It’s hard to say if FB will die out like other sites before it because they seem to be ahead of the curve in terms of adaption and cross platform compatibility/integration, but if the growing murmurings I’ve seen are any indication FB may have a problem on it’s hands of early adapters jumping ship. In the end it probably won’t make a difference because the number of university student who populated FB early on is markedly less than their general and increasingly international users.

  17. Jaya wrote:

    Hold on, hold on… it seems like you are missing out on the #1 reason WHY facebook seems to attract the more wealthy, the more educated, and the more white. Facebook started out as a college thing. When I got my account, it was still an only-college student privilege. You had to have a university email account to join up. It had immediate cache with me because of that – I waited all summer for my McGill email address so that I could join that exclusive community.

  18. Slush wrote:

    That was a totally fascinating article/talk. Thank you!

    The discussion of homophily gave me language to understand a lot of dynamics, not just on the internet. And thank you especially for effectively showing how reaching out on the internet is not reaching out to everyone in the world, not even close.

    I’m not on either MySpace or Facebook, for reasons including not wanting to be overly internet-stalkable, but also definitely because of a perception that they are for teenagers and college students, a perception that has decreased only a tiny bit, even as more and more people of all ages join.

    As a non-user, I know too little about either for them to have any ideas about the difference between them. However, I’ve gotten a ton of pressure from friends in the last several months to get on Facebook (guess my race and class) because of all the things I’m missing out on. I’d sort of forgotten about the existence of MySpace until reading this.

  19. April wrote:

    @Jaya:

    The original post did state that Facebook originated at Harvard, then spread to the Ivy League colleges, and so forth.

    I’m a Yale graduate, and I recall when Facebook first opened up to my university…then when it spread to other “elite” (per U.S. News and World Report) colleges and universities…then spread to other colleges, until nearly all post-secondary institutions in the U.S., and then worldwide, were included. And I recall some people being very upset about this–this was before FB opened up to the general public, mind you. There was one group called “I Liked Facebook Better When It Was Just Elite Schools.” And the group’s description compared what Facebook had become to none other than…MySpace. So I think the observations in this post are dead-on accurate.

  20. DivergentDana wrote:

    “Even if everyone is on the same site, the speaker’s point about people not really networking with people who they don’t talk to in actual life holds true in my experience.”

    Not quite sure about that. Has anyone ever heard the term “Facebook friend” in reference to this not-quite-an-acquaintance status where someone who you’re tangentially connected to — for instance, perhaps you share a class — and may have shared all of 3 words with in real life decides to “friend” you, and you friend them back out of politeness. Because seriously, who can honestly say that they have 257 real life friends? *crickets chirping* However, on social networking sites, counts that high are par for the course.

  21. Urban Suburbinite wrote:

    I agree with Seattle Slim.

    I’m on Myspace, Facebook, Twitter and Ning. I only keep my Myspace page for the few friends that I have that have not switched to FB. While MS is fun, and a great way to advertise if you have band, or are the Entertainment industry, it also seems to attract people who just want to see how fast they can get to 1000 friends, or set up internet booty calls.

    Re: Myspace a.k.a. MyFakes
    I’m just not interested in friending “SEXY BITCH 13″, or spending time deleting all the “Damn you sexy, shawty.” comments. 90% of the time when I view a person’s page who has sent me a friend request it says something asinine like “Fuck ya’ll haters”, of course with the obligatory pose with spread out money in your hand (if it’s a guy), or “sexy” bathroom picture (if it’s a woman). Not to mention (oops, just did) selecting $250,000-$500,000 for income. People seem more prone to lie about who they are, what they do, what their age is (everyone is 100 years old?)etc on MS. They just don’t seem serious about their lives, and they darn sure aren’t worried or possibly aware that HR people will google them.

    I have not had that problem on FB. My contacts are friends, family, and work associates. You can network on FB and I’ve gotten job offers from FB connections (i.e. a friend of a friend looked at my page and saw my design work etc.) I’ve also had friend requests based on my college alma mater, political affiliations, business networking groups, etc. So there is definitely a classist element to it.

    This past year my H.S. had the worlds cheapest 15 -year reunion via FB. Also since my family is spread across the US (bro in TX, sis in VA, another in CT, and me in FL), it is really easy to share pictures and communicate with each other. When I first signed up for FB it was open to all, but if you put a college email address, the site confirmed with the college that the address was real. This may be why people see FB as safer than MySpace.

    Re: Twitter
    My sister networked her way into film critic work on Twitter, by following and being followed by a few magazine editors. So you can use social media to network if you know how.

    If not really wanting to interact with people who aren’t about anything makes me a snob, I’ll wear that title proudly. This kind of reminds me of the people who called Obama elitist, because he championed higher education.

  22. RCHOUDH wrote:

    I find this discussion fascinating and an eye opener for me. I currently use Facebook mainly to keep in touch with friends and family back home (I currently live abroad). I like Facebook just for making it easy for me to keep in touch that way since I don’t have time to call everyone and see what’s going on. I never used MySpace mainly because I felt it catered to teens. But I never knew the class aspect behind these sites which is interesting to say the least.

    From my experience most people I know only use Facebook to keep in touch with people they know in real life. I know some people “friend” strangers online but I’ve found that to be rare from my experience at least. So based on that I do agree with this article about how the social networks that most people keep based on race, age, class, gender, etc are reflected on these social networking sites.

  23. inkst wrote:

    @DivergentDana: What I meant by that was that even if you have all of those “friends” on your profile, how many are you actually keeping in regular touch with? I have found people that I knew years and years ago through facebook, and every time, I get really excited and tell my siblings, “Guess who I found on FB?” then I friend the person, send them a message or two, check their info and pictures, and… …it’s done. And these are people who I am excited to find out are alive, happy, have families, etc. I personally in no way use FB or MS to connect with people who are completely outside of my circle, and I really only regularly communicate with a handful of people off of my friend list. Which makes the speaker’s points resonate with my experience. Granted, I like FB, and as some folks have mentioned, it is very useful for keeping in touch with people you are close with, but it is not the purported great equalizer or even a social revolution, if you ask me. We just repeat the same patterns. Same book, different cover.

  24. Urban Suburbinite wrote:

    “Granted, I like FB, and as some folks have mentioned, it is very useful for keeping in touch with people you are close with, but it is not the purported great equalizer or even a social revolution, if you ask me. We just repeat the same patterns. Same book, different cover.”

    @inkst
    It is what the individual makes if it. Social media is just a form of communication, like email, cell-phones, telephones, two-way radio, and the telegraph before that. How people choose to use it is up to them. You may use it just to communicate with people you already know, but some people do use it to network, and others use it to hook up booty calls.

    I know people who use their cell-phone just to make phone calls, and others who use it for appointment planning/GPS system/MP3 player/Text/Email etc. Social Networking sites like cellphones are just tools; it’s up to the individual to decide how they want to use it.

    I think the problem is not with social media, but the mental constraints users put on themselves. People are and will be most comfortable interacting with people who have shared interests and similar backgrounds. The thing that is illuminated to me (Just based on my interaction on FB, so I am only speaking about myself here.), is the emphasis on class rather than race.

    As I stated earlier, my friends on FB are mostly people I’ve met in school, at work, are related to me, or any manner of 2-3 degrees of separation. They are of many different “races”, ages (my 13 yr old cousin to my friend’s 50 yr old mom), and live all over the world. What bonds us are our shared interests and values. Not where we are from, or how much money we have (notice FB does not have you list income, the way Myspace does).

    The article implies that many user’s are classist. From my point of view, I am kind of OK with that. I would not hang out with your average Jerry Springer/Maury Povich type guest in person, why would I do it online? If that makes me classist, so be it.

  25. Barbara wrote:

    This post, which I believe is similar to one here (http://politicoholic.com/2009/07/05/myspace-facebook-and-the-politics-of-class-online/) really opened my eyes to the politics of social media. As I transitioned from MySpace to Facebook, I had just assumed that MySpace had become ground for band promotion, restaurant ads and mass frienders, because that’s all the interaction I was getting. It never occurred to me that it was more about my reality platform, not my online platform, that was the issue. So now that I know this, what do I do about it?

  26. msblenkins wrote:

    On Facebook’s “Bumpersticker” application, I once saw a sticker that proclaimed, “MySpace is for poor people.” I’m not saying socioeconomic status is a factor in everyone’s choice of which site they prefer, but that virtual sticker made it clear to me that *some* people do think FB users are somehow “superior” to MS users.
    FTR, I use FB more than MS now, though I still keep an MS account–I really like the word games on FB. But it troubles me when I think about the potentially elitist connotations of my preference.

  27. kgm wrote:

    I just wanted to weigh in to at least say this much:

    mad props to Restructure!

    my thoughts exactly. I read a similar article detailing the talk you speak of, and it was given by Danah Boyd, a social media researcher with Harvard.

    when i read about it initially here (http://www.transcosmic.com/2009/07/02/myspace-now-a-%E2%80%9Cdigital-ghetto%E2%80%9D/) I thought it was one of the most ludicrous things I’d ever read. as with many people here, I simply went to facebook because, unlike myspace, it isn’t so goddamn cluttered. facebook is streamlined, and you can, now, customize what you see and what you don’t. on myspace, much of the time you can be inundated with whatever garbage that someone chooses to put on their page. does this make me racist? classist? no! it makes the person bringing forward such charges utterly naive.

    now, certainly you can racialize that issue as a manifestation of my white racial anxiety, and that I am scared of “black” myspace pages that are a great deal more diverse (the endless customization options… that are often more tiresome than anything) than the standard blue and white of the stomping ground we privileged whites call our virtual home.

    to point out that fact that two different class groups, let’s just make this simple, whites and others, may have different class aspirations is like saying to me that the sun will set each day – well, gol-ly! but to project these supposed societal problems onto the relative distribution of cultural groups across different social networking sites… and then basing much of your analysis and argument on what teenagers are doing with their spare time? c’mon, now. that’s just irresponsible. thank you to the person above who brought out some usage statistics. facebook took off because of university students, as it was originally developed solely for social networking by some student at (what was it?) yale. myspace appeals to those, i imagine, who want more of an interactive web page than a social networking tool. i just can’t be bothered with the former.

    and i don’t even really like facebook that much. am i transracial?

  28. BSK wrote:

    I’ve seen a lot of people here posting about why they don’t use MySpace, and a lot commenting on out “loud” it is or because it doesn’t meet there needs. But, as the article points out, many people are actively choosing MySpace. Many of the users on it prefer it to FaceBook, and I would guess that this is an informed choice made because of these differences, not in spite of them. I didn’t read all the comments, but I would like to see some (either already there or yet to be posted) that come from people using MySpace and speaking about why they’ve chosen it. I think the mistake we make is that people go to MySpace for the same reason others go to FaceBook, and I just don’t think that is necessarily the case for some people. I use FB to keep track of birthdays and stay in touch with people I wouldn’t otherwise. In my experience, MS doesn’t help much in these areas (I could be wrong). However, if I were in a band trying to promote itself, I would definitely go to MS. Some people are looking for different things. I would like to hear what people who seek out MS are looking for, and learn why FB may not be meeting THEIR needs.

  29. Kaonashi wrote:

    Well, i wouldn’t say it’s for poor people; what I will say is that Myspace is the AOL of the social media world. It’s something you use when you first get online and it’s initially nice, but eventually you get tired of the following:

    1. The “differently stable” stalking your page
    2. Strangers trying to pick you up
    3. Racists resentful that you’re even online
    4. General mayhem

    and you move on to something else. Is it elitist? I don’t know; I think it might be for some, but for most people I think it boils down to common interests and the general usability of the site. Even with Twitter (which actively encourages people to follow others) people tend to follow people that share some sort of common interest.

  30. Mhaille wrote:

    Interesting. My preference for Facebook stems from how I was introduced to the internet- which was via text-based BBSes *waves cane*. I gave MySpace the same disdain that I gave to what I call “1996-era HTML skillz” – it’s all flash and color and very little focus on functionality. To someone who still prefers plaintext, it’s annoying. I do maintain pages on both, but I admit that the first thing I do when checking anyone’s MySpace is pause the damn song.
    OTOH, I realize that just saying “I was online in ‘92″ puts me in a distinct social class by itself. It’s an interesting premise, and I can see how it would play out that way for a lot of people.
    Right now I’m trying to navigate the waters of pre-teens and social networking. So far that means Club Penguin, but I imagine it won’t be long before I’m addressing this sort of thing.

  31. Urban Suburbinite wrote:

    “Is it elitist? I don’t know; I think it might be for some, but for most people I think it boils down to common interests and the general usability of the site.”

    I agree. I used Myspace to promote my line as an independent fashion designer. I liked that I could select a flattering background and ad mood with the music. Most of my contacts where other designers, indie music groups and hip-hop artists that I knew, and a few models. The site works great for promotion, because you could update people about your show/tour dates interviews etc.

    I set up a Facebook page, because most of my friends from college and my family use FB. I check it the most because more people message me there. I also like the quiz applications, because they allow you to learn so much about your friends.

    I began working on my second degree in Internet Marketing and many of my classmates started putting pages up on Ning. Ning seems to be the place to be if you are in any form of marketing, as many of the pages link to seminars, and people use it to make contacts frequently. The average Ning message is usually something like, “Just got a contract to create a strategic marketing plan. Anyone know a web designer? I need to hire a sound engineer too.”

    Some of my friends who work on the production side of the entertainment industry champion LinkIn as the site to be on, as well as Twitter.

    So it really IS about common interests. I did find as a designer I had better results building my own website to promote myself, and just put links to it on Facebook, Twitter, and Ning. I just find that it yields people who are actually interested in what I do. Whereas my experience on MySpace is of people playing and sending messages about nothing.

    That’s not to say that there aren’t Myspace success stories like Tila Tequila and Gym Class Heroes, who both were internet phenoms thru MySpace.

    In my circle of friends, we tend to cross pollenate. We actively use MySpace, Facebook, Ning, Linkin, Twitter. There is a site called Bebo, that links all your networking pages, so you can update faster. You can tweet directly to your FB page, from Twitter as well. So even some of these sites are interacting with each other.

    I still prefer FB over MS because there is a certain netiquette missing from MS. FB is like the chill Jazz club, and MS is like the after hours Techno club where someone grabs your ass and you can’t tell who it was. (Hey, there times when you want to go to the former, and others when you want the latter. No judgments there.)

    I think in addition to the cultural differences between FB and MS, Facebook benefits from being the new kid on the block. Remember Friendster? Anyone still use? Is so why?

  32. mile wrote:

    I’m 17, so well within the teenage group this post in some part discusses. I switched to FB because my friend said I should. Back then, she was my general Internet advice person, leading me from IE to FF, and so on. When I went, most of my Myspace friends were in the Honors program and would become AP kids, and all of them moved at the same time too, so if I lost diversity by moving, I couldn’t tell.
    One thing I did recently notice, several “Early Adopters” from my school are members of a group called “I don’t have any Facebook friends because I go to public school.” My school is a highly regarded public school and most people I know who have friends outside of the school have friends who go to private schools. So it seems private schoolers, those with the most connections to those in “elite” colleges, the original FB members, moved to FB first, then their friends from my school, which of all the public schools in the city sends the most (99%) to college and the most to the colleges FB was originally open to. When I realized that, I thought it was interesting, but due to the fact that basically all of my school is on FB and has rejected Myspace, I didn’t think of it as a racial thing.
    I really can’t say I see a division in the FB population at my school. The switch is pretty much complete, if you have a personal web page, whether you’re black, white, Asian, poor, rich, urban, suburban, you have FB. Perhaps some people keep up their Myspaces but, as recently as I have checked my page (perhaps a year ago) almost all of my friends are gone, and most of them who are not, seem, like me, to be too lazy to go back through the messy, unaesthetic log in to delete their pages. Of course, owing to the racial and socio-economic composition of my school’s Honors program (the top 80 students are taken from 7th grade and isolated for 8th and 9th grade) which is almost completely cut off from the rest of my school, the vast majority of my friends were well-off and white anyway. And owing to the political composition of my school, almost all of my friends, Myspace or Facebook, are liberal.

    I think because my first web page was on Black Planet I never saw Myspace and FB as being racial. I just thought that if people wanted a racially defined corner of the internet, they’d join one of those sites. Since leaving Myspace, I’ve come to think of it as more corporate than FB, since the few times I’ve visited it (without logging in) in the past have been because some TV show directed me to go to their page.

  33. Jennifer Gandin Le wrote:

    Really fascinating, compelling discussion. I especially appreciate the point that being on MySpace does not equal increased risk re: online predators.

  34. Seattle Slim wrote:

    #32 You’re 17 and you remember BP? Holy cow. Way to make me feel old. I was 19 when I got on FB. :( I haz oldz…lol. Back then BP/MiGente were the bee’s knees.

  35. Emma Jay wrote:

    The point of this essay is to highlight the socioeconomic differences and stratification among Facebook and Myspace users. There is nothing incorrect about that assessment. There are indeed socio-eco differences. So for those justifying why they went to facebook and prefer it over myspace is not the point. The point is to assess the class differences with these social networks that are indeed evident, as he illustrated through his case study, to examine how these differences parallel American life, and to make the audience aware of the danger in this parallel between the digital and real world.

    For those justifying why they went to facebook, maybe that’s simply for conversation, but it is not relevant to the crux of this essay.

  36. mixedqueer wrote:

    wow. incredible article/talk. i can see the stunned faces of the audience in my mind’s eye.

    @35. emma jay — you said it better than i could.

  37. Penelope Lolohea wrote:

    Wow, I appreciate all the research behind this. I never thought about Myspace and Facebook in this way until now, but I can see it in the attitudes of my own contacts on both. There’s this whole Us vs. Them thing that happens between Myspace and Facebook users.

    This is very interesting. Thanks for a great read!