Michael Jackson on race – and who he saw in the mirror

by Carmen Van Kerckhove, originally published at CNN.com

I got a call yesterday morning from a radio show producer asking if I thought it hypocritical for African-Americans to celebrate Michael Jackson as a black man, since it seems to many people that he spent most of his life turning himself white.

She stopped short of calling Jackson a race traitor, but the implication was clear. And it did get me thinking about the strange role that race played — and didn’t play — in Jackson’s life and career.

Race is never simple, especially when it comes to a complex artist like Michael Jackson.

Jackson often expressed in his music a hopefulness — “It don’t matter if you’re black or white” — about race relations that many found naïve. And yet had no qualms about using anti-Semitic lyrics in his song “They Don’t Care About Us” — “Jew me/Sue me/Everybody do me/Kick me/Kike me.”

We will never know what drove Jackson to alter his appearance so drastically during his adult life. Jackson said that he suffered from vitiligo, a condition that eliminates pigment from skin leaving white blotches. His dermatologist and others close to Jackson, including Deepak Chopra, have also said he had vitiligo, even though many people have expressed doubt about it, fueling debate over whether Jackson was “trying to be white.”

But what about the plastic surgery, the nose, the hair, and other obviously altered aspects of his appearance? On our blog Racialicious, Readers have been speculating about whether he was driven by internalized racism or something else: an extreme form of artistic expression, an obsessive desire to fix one’s appearance called “body dysmorphic disorder,” or a desire to erase any resemblance to Joe Jackson, his abusive father.

One of the best insights we have into Jackson’s emotional life is a television interview he did with Oprah Winfrey in 1993. He admitted then to being a perfectionist and added, “I’m never pleased with myself. No, I try not to look in the mirror.”

Whatever drove this apparent self-loathing, I don’t believe we can separate race from the equation. Race cannot be separated with precision from body dysmorphic disorder, hatred of his tyrannical father, or any potentially relevant theory being discussed right now.

Why?

Because if he hated his body, he was hating a black man’s body. If he hated his father, he was hating a black man. Race ran through it all; we cannot and should not dismiss its effect.

Does that mean we should take the alterations he made to his appearance as evidence that he hated being black?

Not necessarily.

Apart from the changes to his physical appearance, there is little compelling evidence that Michael Jackson tried to distance himself from the African-American community.

From Wesley Snipes in “Bad” to Eddie Murphy and Iman in “Remember the Time,” Jackson consistently featured black actors and models in his music videos. He also collaborated frequently with black producers such as Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Rodney Jerkins, as well as with black recording artists such as Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, and R. Kelly.

And unlike some other celebrities who express unease with racial or ethnic labels, there was never a parcel of equivocation when he talked about his racial identity.

In fact, during the same interview with Oprah, Jackson stated emphatically: “I’m a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am.”

So was Michael Jackson a unique contradiction in terms? Is it possible to be filled with racial pride and self-loathing at the same time?

Of course it is. Race is a complicated thing.

My mother, for instance, is a fiercely nationalistic Chinese woman, to the point of near-bigotry. She rarely misses an opportunity to throw a spotlight on the supposed superiority of Chinese culture and often claims that the Chinese people were inventing gunpowder, paper money, and printing presses at a time when Europeans were still living in caves.

Yet as a teenager, this same woman collected photos of Caucasian babies and longed to have white children. She eventually married a European man and went on to have three biracial daughters — including me.

Like Jackson, my mother suffered verbal and physical abuse from her father — a compulsive gambler who once pawned the wedding ring he gave his own wife to pay off his debts.

Of course, not all racial self-hatred can be traced back to an abusive childhood. Each of our individual histories and the histories of our ancestors act in concert to shape who we become and what we value. And when personal histories are complex (as most are), they often result in a racial identity that is equally complex and sometimes even contradictory.

A rush to judgment accusing Michael Jackson of being a race traitor is unfair to the complexity of his life. Unless we take sufficient time to develop an understanding and empathy for his story, it’s easy to make simplistic claims or assumptions about why he wanted to change his appearance.

From what I have been able to discover, Michael was not trying to erase his race; he was trying to get comfortable with his face. He wanted, as we all do, to love the man in the mirror. Why he never did, we’ll never know.

Millions of people around the world loved the man who wore that face, no matter how many times it changed over the years. Had he known that, perhaps he would have left well enough alone.

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Comments

  1. mjforever wrote:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q94H7-bKNxo

  2. Eccentric1 wrote:

    Excellent post Carmen! I have to wonder if a parallel can be drawn between your mother’s reasons behind having biracial children, and MJ’s reasons behind having surrogate mothers for his three children that apparently were only white. There are a few online media outlets claiming comments from the mother of the two oldest that Jackson is not the biological father of either of them. Photographs of them aren’t 100% conclusive, but they look as though their parentage on both sides is white. Could this be another complex commentary on what Jackson saw as perfection in children? There is speculation that his last child, sometimes referred to as “Blanket” is the only one that resembles him in any way, and shares any of this musical interest and talents. But, even blanket is obviously mixed race. Race is indeed complex.

  3. Karen wrote:

    just thanks. my love for MJ and my partial disgust for not his skin bleaching, but his hair straightening and nose jobs keep battling each other but like at most times, my judgments are not mine to make.

  4. Queen B wrote:

    I just want to start off by saying that I am a huge Michael Jackson fan so I am clearly biased. I think the issues of race when it comes to Michael are quite complicated. I can’t say that Michael wanted to be white because Michael over the years simply became a lighter version of himself and certainly not white. In terms of skin color, Michael claimed to have vitiligo so I’ll address the nose and hair texture.

    We live in a society where whiteness is the standard for beauty so it makes sense why people like Michael might consider having a smaller nose and straight hair more attractive. Michael got a nose job but so did his sisters Janet and Latoya-were they trying to be white or did they just want a smaller nose because they think that it looks better. Janet’s nose like Michael’s looks quite caucasian. I’m sure Michael is not the only black person to have a nose job or two.

    Michael went from afro to curly and then straight hair. The majority of black people out there do not wear their hair in a natural style for a variety of reasons. Some people prefer straight hair and it does not mean that they are trying to a make a statement about their racial heritage.

    In my opinion, I think that Michael was trying to achieve a certain look and he never was satisfied. In our society, if you’re not happy with the way you look , you can go to a surgeon and change it. Did he have too much surgery, probably so but find fault with the doctors who continued to operate on him anyway.

  5. Heather wrote:

    “Millions of people around the world loved the man who wore that face, no matter how many times it changed over the years. Had he known that, perhaps he would have left well enough alone.”

    Isn’t that part of the problem of self-loathing though? It doesn’t always matter what other people think. It doesn’t always matter how many people love you. If you don’t love yourself, that’s the lens through which you view everything, even (or maybe most especially) your relationships with other people.

    Michael Jackson, and I say this as a proud child of the 80s, was a genius. No one could write a hook like him. But no matter how talented, no matter how many tickets he sold, no matter how many people cried/screamed/fainted for him, he still didn’t love himself. Despite all these external accolades, he couldn’t see what other people saw. And this, to me, is perhaps one of the most tragic aspects of his life and death.

  6. Joseph wrote:

    @Carmen
    “Whatever drove this apparent self-loathing, I don’t believe we can separate race from the equation. Race cannot be separated with precision from body dysmorphic disorder, hatred of his tyrannical father, or any potentially relevant theory being discussed right now.

    Why?

    Because if he hated his body, he was hating a black man’s body. If he hated his father, he was hating a black man. Race ran through it all; we cannot and should not dismiss its effect.”

    Yes! This! Cosign.

    I think the discussion around Michael Jackson and race often collapses the complex degrees with which race expresses itself. As I have written elsewhere, Michael Jackson may not have hated BEING black but he almost certainly hated LOOKING black. And that deserves comment and attention.

  7. Francis wrote:

    Only Michael knows what he saw when he looked in the mirror, however we can speculate too. I loved MJ, and frankly I don’t think any other artist in my lifetime will come to close to what he did.

    However, we need to examine what happened to his appearance, it wasn’t just a few modifications, but basically a total transformation. We know that in his autobiography in the 80’s that he admitted to having rhinoplasty due to the fact that his father ridiculed his nose for being flat and broad when he was younger. We then never get a 100% answer on his skin color, he did tell us he had Vitiligo, but how many cases are there of Vitiligo that end up looking like Michael? Then we have jaw, forehead and other facial reconstructive surgery. Couple with all that, we see a pattern of a man who physically changes himself into something that typically does not look like an African American.

    We can examine his lifestyle, he only seemed to be romantically involved with white women, not that there is anything wrong with that. However since we are aware of his physical alterations, is it far fetched to assume that he also chose his partners based on his insecurities. We also see that he “had” children that are obviously not his, them being Nordic looking.

    We don’t really know what was going on through Michael’s head, but to say that his decisions in life were race conscious would be naive, it’s been pretty clear that Michael had been distancing himself from his phenotype.

  8. Restructure! wrote:

    Excellent post, Carmen!

    I think the continual doubts that he had vitiligo is an invocation of ableism. I also liked how you included the quote from the Oprah interview in which he self-identified as a Black American.

    Michael Jackson’s first rhinoplasty was done after he broke his nose during a complex dance routine. Also, Jheri curls were a popular style at the time.

    I had the same thoughts as you, that aside from changing his physical appearance, there is little evidence that he was trying to distance himself from blackness. He avoided mirrors and avoided looking at himself, so he might not even have seen himself like others saw him, as looking white. Even near the end of his life, he probably didn’t think his paper-white appearance reflected who he was inside.

  9. PPR_Scribe wrote:

    I think it is easy for any of us to shake our heads at the physical transformations Jackson went through over the years. It is also easy for us to assume that we would *never* had gone through the lengths he did to “erase” his Blackness (assuming that was his intent).

    However, it would be an interesting (though impossible) experiment to see how many of us would have done similar things *at certain points in our own racial identity development* if we would have had the financial resources, public pressures, etc.

    Yes, racial identity was complicated for MJ. But as you alluded to, Carmen, it is complicated for many/most of us. And with greater choice comes the potential for even greater complications in the expression of this complexity.

    MJ will be a focus of analysis in this regard for many, many years to come.

  10. Yv wrote:

    WOW. Great article. Thank you. I was starting to lose hope for Racialicious after reading a few other articles regarding MJ that appeared on this site. This one just renewed my personal faith in people and their remembrance of an icon.

  11. inkst wrote:

    I have two quick first-reaction comments:
    1. Man, I love Racialicious. Seriously. I cannot believe how thoroughly different aspects of MJ’s life, career, and death have been covered in so short a time. I sincerely appreciate the work that you all do with this site.

    2. I had no idea those were some of the lyrics to “They Don’t Care About Us.” Wow.

  12. amy wrote:

    Great post! My best friend and I were just wondering why the racial aspect of his appearance modification seems to be less discussed than the gender-relative aspect…although probably this just reflects a greater societal discomfort with considering the role of race than gender in general.

  13. a.eye wrote:

    Nice post. I think there are so many aspects of his life that played into his opinions of and changes to his appearance. But, I still believe based on things he said and on what he did in his music and in his travels throughout the world that he was proud to be a person of color and wanted to make sure that all people felt comfortable with who they are.

  14. Paz wrote:

    Just wanted to say that I don’t believe the lyrics to “They Don’t Really Care About Us” are anti-Semitic.
    Jew me/Sue me/Everybody do me/Kick me/Kike me
    He’s basically saying, “Abuse me.” By using “Jew” and “Kike” he means “Treat me like a Jew/kike” or “Treat me like a historically oppressed group.”
    The words are inflammatory for sure, but I don’t believe they’re intended to be malicious.

  15. N wrote:

    There are plenty of black people who love being black but have internalized racist beauty standards. There are people who grew up sleeping with clothespins on their noses, whose parents wouldn’t let them play in the sun for fear of getting darker.

    Joe seems to have had a lot of self hatred which spilled over onto his kids, all of whom have had plastic surgery and most of whom have had biracial kids. Are ANY of the grandkids of Joe Jackson as “black” as the Jackson kids were?

    (I knew a guy in San Fran whose father was a Creole of Color and HATED dark people. Every single one of his kids had non-black baby’s mamas and daddies because grandpa wasnt having any darkies in his house)

    I wouldn’t say Michael wasn’t trying to erase his race, I think he was trying to erase it from his appearance. But one can love being black and hate looking black and the same time. It is possible to accept who you are but hate how you look because you know that light skin privilege and certain features will allow you to have the love and acceptance and success that would be denied you if you had dark skin, a big nose and nappy hair.

    It is possible to see yourself as a person who is trapped inside of a body that is a burden and love the person within and the culture from which you come, but learn to hate the externals which prevent people from seeing past the skin and hair to the being inside.

    Ask Halle about her nose and crying because she didnt look like her mother and the kids calling her “buttons”. Ask Oprah and everyone else about their relaxers. Ask Lil Kim about ALL of it.
    Mike wasn’t alone in his struggle.

  16. Kaonashi wrote:

    I believe that whatever Michael became can be left at his father’s door. Family members being constantly critical about the things that make you unique is an even bigger mindfuck than anything society can throw at you. Add the pressure of being in showbiz and…there you go, instant dysmorphic disorder.

    Growing up, I knew a few POCs with vitiligo, and to say that people were unkind and rude to them is the understatement of the century. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Most doctors suggest depigmentation if it affects more than 30-40 percent of the body, so obviously Michael opted for that. Since someone in the Jackson camp (probably Joe, that asshole) has been releasing private photos of Michael with the kids that clearly show splotches of pigment on his arms, I hope the whole “He bleached himself because he wanted to be White, LAWLS” thing will just go away.

    As for the children, the only thing I will believe is a DNA test that exclusively says he is not the father. And even if it turns out that he is not the bio father, he was their DAD in every way that counted.

  17. Paz wrote:

    Oh and I don’t know if anyone’s aware of this, but his father used to really give him a hard time for his large nose (in addition to all of the severe emotional and physical abuse he inflicted on him). I was watching Joe Jackson on the red carpet at the BET awards and his nose is extremely thinned out as well. Self-hate gets passed on .

  18. N wrote:

    @Kaonashi

    The skin color was but one of the changes Michael Made. The nose, the hair etc were also altered.

    As far as the kids- go to the black celeb kids website, there are plenty of entertainers way way blacker than MJ with very very white wives and NONE look like MJs kids.
    And regardless of his love for them, I think it is unfair to children to be created solely for a person to avoid having his black dna passed on.Kids who may never know their actual genetic heritage. Thats sad and cruel IMO.

  19. PPR_Scribe wrote:

    Kinda O/T: I was in Gary yesterday for a funeral in my own family and several of my family members made a trip to MJ’s childhood home. Seeing it really puts some things in perspective–talk about starting from (very) little, finance-wise. It may sound crass, but I hope that the city of Gary can benefit from his death. The city needs it badly.

  20. Gwendolyn H. Barry wrote:

    It was a good piece, Carmen. TY.

    I have the idea that MJ’s lack of self respect did have roots in distancing himself from his father… a black man, obviously. Still, I think the overwhelming need for all the ‘change’ in his appearances were anchored in his need to ‘be like nobody else, ever’. This is also the reason I’ve remained convinced that MJ was actually telling his truth about the criminal charges he faced… I do think he was innocent, if unwisely captured by his own illusions and ‘reality’. It portrays an awesomely lonesome heart. I grieve for that most of all.

  21. Whitney wrote:

    I agree somewhat on the plastic surgery, but I will reiterate what some have said: de-pigmentation is regularly recommended to vitiligo sufferers and I don’t find it surprising that pictures of Michael with mottled skin are hard to find because he was a superstar and probably did not want to show off a disease which many people are ignorant about.

  22. RMJ wrote:

    Fascinating post, and I’d forgotten about the anti-Semitism of that song.

    Body dysmorphia is such a complicated thing. Obviously race is relevant to Jackson’s presentation, but no one is claiming that he, an anorexic, hated fat people

  23. Eccentric1 wrote:

    At the risk of getting a little too existential, I’m wondering if self-hate is a just and accurate description of the motivation behind MJ wanting to obliterate the physical evidence of his true phenotype. It is clear that people can hate or be biased against people of color, even if the hater or biased person is a POC. But, it isn’t the actual person that is the target of the hate. Faulty racial paradigms (stereotypes) shape and give birth to flawed and misinformed perceptions. To hate a phenotype or certain ethnicity is to give validity to a host of negative perceptions attributed to the group in question. Even if you belong to the group in question, you can be completely misinformed, and buy into the jacked up paradigms so that you have jacked up perceptions. If MJ did have unhealthy perceptions of POC due to damaged paradigms (and it would be no surprise, in this country, with our biased judicial system, news media, entertainment media, and especially considering the rarified social economic stratosphere that MJ lived in) then efforts to obliterate his phenotype were efforts to distance his physical appearance from those negative perceptions. It wouldn’t be that MJ hated himself. It would be more accurate to say that he hated what he thought people would think (himself included) when they looked at him and saw a black man. It is too simple to just say that you are your race, and if you hate your race you hate yourself. If you hate your race you hate what you THINK are the perceptions of your race. MJ loved himself enough to spend money on an untold number of operations to look more like a phenotype that he may have felt was perceived in a better light.

    Despite all this, it saddens me terribly to know that his light, gifts, and talents have left us. There will never be another like him. I think that genius is an accurate description of his level of talent. Like so many other geniuses it appears he was a troubled man.

  24. AABP wrote:

    Well-written…

  25. Kaonashi wrote:

    @ N: I guess you’ve never seen pictures of Eartha Kitt’s children. Or Victoria Rowe’s daughter. Or Rashida Jones. Genetics can be very interesting.

    And regardless of his love for them, I think it is unfair to children to be created solely for a person to avoid having his black dna passed on.

    There’s a LOT of assumption in this statement, since the only person able to shed light on this is no longer with us. And sadly, I don’t think people would have listened to him (or cared) anyway. :(

  26. Barbara wrote:

    Thanks for this post, and for the reminder that race is much more than about skin color. That’s the easy way of saying it, that Michael Jackson was on a quest for whiteness, but then there’s never any discussion about what that is anyway. Michael Jackson was on a quest for self-acceptance, and that’s more about getting comfortable with your psychic skin, as much as your physiological skin.

  27. ishtar79 wrote:

    Very interesting post. I’ve seen a lot of discussion online, by PoC and white people about the topic of whether or not MJ’s extensive plastic surgery is a result of racial self-hatred. I avoid getting into those discussions, as I don’t feel qualified to even begin to speculate as a white woman, but my gut feeling tells me that the issue is a hell of a lot more complicated than it’s usually presented.

    It may be a combination of all the things discussed above, though in the end we’ll never know for sure. It just makes me incredibly sad to see anyone so obviously uncomfortable in their appearance, whether it was BDD or not. I was watching some old clips from his Jackson 5 days and Off The Wall era, particularly this interview (I think he may have had a nose job already, though the effect is lot more natural than later attempts):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo0G4UJngLc

    He’s breathtakingly beautiful there. It’s such a disconnect to think that he thought of himself as ugly.

  28. howard53545 wrote:

    There is a wonderful essay by James Baldwin on MJH. Its called Here Be Dragons and offers an interesting perspective on MJ. Jimmy suffered from being gay and black.

  29. Mary wrote:

    I agree that a lot of it comes down to Joe Jackson. Today I read that Michael left money to his mother, children and other assorted people… and not one CENT to his father. And if half the stories I’ve heard about Joe are true, sounds like he earned it.

    I don’t know enough to say whether Michael had vitiligo, but I can certainly believe he wanted to eradicate all traces of his father from himself, and from his children as well. Whether he was their biological father or not.

    Of course, this is not to ignore or belittle the role of race. If Joe and Michael Jackson were both white, and Michael had rebelled against his father by supposedly “turning himself into” a PoC the way he is accused of turning himself white, would society react the same way? I’m guessing no.

  30. Restructure! wrote:

    I don’t know enough to say whether Michael had vitiligo,

    It’s been documented that he had vitiligo. Why the continual resistance?

    Here’s a great YouTube slideshow showing MJ’s vitiligo photos.

  31. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Thanks Carmen for such a good post discussing the complexity of race in relation to Michael Jackson. I think you said it best when you mentioned that his proud acceptance of being a Black American doesn’t contradict his hatred of looking like a Black man. These issues surrounding acceptance/rejection of one’s racial identity are never easy to decipher. A person can initially have no hangups with his/her racial identity until later on in life due to societal influences; likewise a person may grow up with internalized racism, go on to accept his/her racial identity later on in life, yet still struggle sometimes with ridding him/herself of the whatever traces of internalized racism remain within him/her. I think Michael Jackson was struggling with some forms of internalized racism throughout his life, growing up in showbiz like he did during that time in America where POC performers like him were few and far between.

  32. Rachel_in_WY wrote:

    I think this video is so sad and ironic. “We don’t have to change at all…”

  33. Emmeaki wrote:

    #27 ishtar79, thanks for the clip!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo0G4UJngLc

    When I watch this, it’s like I”m a teenager again and I have crush on him! It’s a damn shame that such a good-looking man didn’t like his looks.

    Ironically, so many people tried to look like him back in the day. I remember a guy on a talk show years ago who had plastic surgery to look like Michael Jackson!

    Why can’t we just be pleased with who we are?

  34. Mary wrote:

    It’s been documented that he had vitiligo. Why the continual resistance?

    Stating “I don’t know enough” isn’t resistance; it’s stating that I genuinely don’t know enough. The Internet’s full of amateur MDs, and I try not to be one of them.

  35. Eli wrote:

    I think people need to get over the idea that the skin colour of black people is as simple as mixing shades of paint.

    Dark + light doesn’t equal a shade perfecting in the middle.

    Light + light doesn’t equal light, and nor does dark + dark = dark.

    It is not that simple.

    I’ve seen two black people produce a wide range of skin colours in their children in my own family, and many others.

    I myself am several shades lighter than both of my parents. It happens.

  36. Jennifer wrote:

    Great Article.
    I, unlike many of Michaels sudden fans, have always been a devoted admierer of him. I do not know exactly what drove Michael to alter his natural appearance so much, but I think what is much more important, is the person that he was beneath the plastic surgery. His death was tragic, but his disturbed life was much more tragic. I say that because he was so obviously, a lonley, sad, unsatisfied person. I loved Michael Jackson, and I hope that he has finally ound peace and happiness on the other side. His music and his magic was, is , and always will be alive.

  37. Mary wrote:

    @ Restructure!:

    Re-reading my last reply, I also want to say I’m not sure I conveyed my tone well and I apologize if that came off antagonistically.

  38. Final wrote:

    I don’t think his ‘white washing’ had anything to do with not wanting to look like his father. The whole family has body image issues. I think the only one in that family that didn’t get a nose job is Tito. Even Reebie, the most well adjusted out of the group, has had a nose job. Michael’s body image issues just happened to be the worst of the bunch(even though LaToya gave him a run for his money.) His whole family’s hate points inward. Unlike the Uncle Ruckus types, he didn’t lash out at other people that looked like him. He was proud of being black, just sadly did not want to look that way.

    There’s so much to remember with MJ and all of his endless issues but he called Tommy Mottola out as being a racist and stuck up for other Black artist at Sony. His charitable contributions and philanthropy was mostly aimed at African relief and minority scholarships iirc.

  39. luckyfatima wrote:

    Like some people above, I don’t understand why the public questions or doesn’t believe that Jackson suffered from vilitligo/leucoderma. I believe that he was proud to be black but also had a complex relationship with being black…but isn’t that how everyone is with their identity? His issues with plastic surgery is one thing, but I always believed that he had vitiligo and was not trying to make himself white. He looked excatly like a vitiligo patient. That is something really hard to deal with for a person. If he were trying to make himself white, wouldn’t he go for peach, not paper color?

  40. LTP wrote:

    I can’t imagine how difficult it would be to, quite literally, watch your (visible) racial identity slowly dissolve away before your eyes… and there’s nothing you can do about it. Imagine having grown up in a home with so much verbal abuse targeting features of yours that are commonly attached to your race (Ie. it is documented, and he is quoted as saying his father used to verbally abuse him by screaming things like, “Big nose” – gee, is it any wonder why he had all those nose jobs?)… and then losing your skin pigment in the midst of severe body image issues.
    I imagine I might do the same as him, and do what I could to try and change myself, and my body, away from what I was to ’shed my skin’… learning along the way that it isn’t successful. He was a tortured individual until the end, and I truly hope he’s found peace now.

  41. m. wrote:

    This post is great! It means a lot for me to read something like this right now amidst all the talk of his internalized struggles and personal life. He was constantly engaged in a battle with his inner-demons, that’s for sure – but I never believed for one minute that Michael hated being Black. When people bring that theory up, they usually never even provide a thoughtful analysis of the WHY and HOW; just, “Oh, he wants light skin and a fine nose!”
    And he most definitely did have vitiligo, so I also don’t think it’s fair to attribute his issues with self-image to the skin lightening procedures. If people are going to insist on this, then they’re better off looking at his multiple surgeries – not the fact that he had a disease that he chose to cope with in an extreme (in some eyes) way. (And yes, I do realize that not everyone with this condition opts for the route he chose, but I just don’t think it’s a reasonable–or fair–argument.) It is true, though, that race cannot be separated from a disorder like BD or anorexia, PTSD, depression or anything else he’s been “diagnosed” with.

    Once again, I appreciate this piece – you’ve articulated so many thoughts I’ve been unable to express since Michael’s death. Thank you.

  42. DivergentDana wrote:

    “The majority of black people out there do not wear their hair in a natural style for a variety of reasons.”

    The majority of black women don’t, the majority of black men do. Hair straightening in the black community has become a gendered practice… however, when Michael started processing his hair, this wasn’t the case.

  43. Ishtar wrote:

    I think this is one of the best, most balanced articles I’ve read to-date about MJ since his death.

  44. Asha wrote:

    I agree with Restructure, having known quite a few folks with the vitiligo and from looking at pictures of Michael in the early 80’s, the changes of his complexion on parts of his arms and hands were nearly identical to that of vitiligo patients. Also as far as his hair is concerned, according to his makeup artist he recieved very severe burns to at the top his head when he had that accident making that pepsi commercial. Who knows maybe that is why he may opted to wear wigs, because he wasen’t able to grown the hair back, as far as the style went well hell i dunno he might have just liked it lol. As far as the rhinoplasty I don’t count for second that his fathers constant voicing of his dislike for his nose (well basically his appearance in general) influenced his feeling about it. I watched an interview where he stated that the first time he got work done on his nose was because he had broken it, and after getting it reconstructed he opted to get surgery on it again because it effected his voice in a way he didn’t like. So perhaps maybe him being perfectionist that was continued to get rhinoplastly in attempts to get the perfect singing voice, who know’s? Unfortunely since he’s gone we’ll never know. Here is a portion of his interview with Oprah discussing his relationship with his father : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mzy1_michael-jackson-oprah-winfrey-inter_shortfilms

  45. Ron wrote:

    The nose job, cheek implants, jaw reconstruction, eye reconstruction, lip reduction and reshape all speak to Michael’s intent.

    We can pretend and explain away all we want but it is akin to Southerners justifying slavery.

    No one north of Wilshire in L.A. says that they have had a nose job for cosmetic purposes. In the 80s’ it was always because of some medical condition or accident that they had to have a nose job. The people in Beverly Hills especially were good at explaining away cosmetic surgery via a medial condition. Michael surronded himself with people who also had these surgeries. The fact that almost every member in his family had nose reduction to realize the Nordic nose shows his intent.

    People have nasal fixations when it comes to black people with broad noses. Broad noses are unacceptable worldwide. We have had genocide and wars because of this nasal fixation. This is an issue which really needs to addressed because more bloodshed will definitely arise because of it.

    Michale Jackson just happened to be someone who publicly struggled with nasal fixation.

  46. Lizzie wrote:

    Kaonashi wrote:

    @ N: I guess you’ve never seen pictures of Eartha Kitt’s children. Or Victoria Rowe’s daughter. Or Rashida Jones. Genetics can be very interesting.

    While it is true that genetics can be a “guessing game” I think that it should be noted that for the examples that you have cited, Eartha Kitt and Victoria Rowe are both biracial women who, I believe, have had children with white partners and Rashida Jones is multiracial – her mother is Peggy Lipton (a white Jewish woman) and her fatherQuincy Jones, is of African-American, Native American and European American ancestry.

    I also think that it is interesting that while Michael Jackson was ridiculed in mainstream media for “becoming white” there rarely (except in outlets such as this one) was any condemnation of society’s addiction to white supremacy and norms of beauty that make it extremely difficult for ANYONE to accept themselves, especially thoseof us who have features that are considered to be the antithesis of white norms of attractiveness.

  47. Restructure! wrote:

    @Mary

    Stating “I don’t know enough” isn’t resistance; it’s stating that I genuinely don’t know enough. The Internet’s full of amateur MDs, and I try not to be one of them.

    But MJ himself said that he had the disorder (and doctors have testified this), so it still seems dismissive to say “Well, I don’t know if he really had the disorder, as I am not a doctor.”

    It’s like somebody says that they can’t walk because of a specific disease, and you say that you don’t know whether they really have the disease, as you are not a doctor. And you spend the rest of your life having some doubts about whether they have the disease, because you will never be a doctor.

    I mean, if somebody tells me that they have a disease, I would assume that they have it, not have doubts about it because I don’t know.

  48. N wrote:

    @Kaonashi

    Those women are biracial, their children are at most 25% “black”. And while the children are light in coloring, their features do resemble those of their parents.

    It puzzles me that some people are so insistent that those kids look like him, I dont get it.

    Phenotype doesn’t equal genotype. A dark male of MJs appearance with 2 black parents has a different genotype than a man with a similar appearance and one white parent. More likelihood of having a very pale child.

    And trust me, I think I’ve seen every quadroon and octoroon celebrity kid there is.

  49. Princezz wrote:

    Great piece Carmen! In this exceptionally well-written and thought provoking article, you have definitely tackled many aspects related to race and the life and times of the late Michael Jackson.

    I totally agree with this statement in your article, “A rush to judgment accusing Michael Jackson of being a race traitor is unfair to the complexity of his life.”

    With that being said, in my very humble opinion, yes his legacy as a musical genius will live on, yet both his very complex life and death in the limelight are equally tragic.

    Thank you racialicious.com for showcasing talented writers that have the ability to convey deeper thoughts on very complex human issues!

  50. sodium xiong wrote:

    i love what yiou write about MJ and explain about how race can not be separate. but i still have question about MJ; why did a lot people hate him when he still alive? and now he died people start to play his music again like he is very famous…

  51. Lovely wrote:

    First off ,I have been visiting Racialicious for months now and love the atmosphere resulted by intelligent debate.

    This is the topic that made me come out hiding .LOL

    It never occured to me that M.J disliked being Black despite the drastic outer shell changes over the years or the white women and children.

    Yes,he suffered from vitiligo, but it seems that he to plastic surgery to escape the tormented person he was inside, shut down his father’s insults ,that I’m sure were ringing in his head even after all these years.
    If M.J wanted to appear less Black, he would have tweaked a few things here and there like a lot of people of color do IMO.
    But, he looked nothing like a white person.
    In fact ,it seems that he was trying to blurr gender and ethnic lines so as to morph into a brand new human being devoid of pain and anger.
    Alas, he may have never reached such peace on Earth,because the aesthetic changes went deeper and deeper…

    But seriously, the surgeons that agreed to ‘help’ him need to be beat.
    I was watching a marathon of his videos last night , and thought :I would have gladly dated him up until the’ Bad’ video era( sexy as hell!) after that …naaaaah!

  52. MoeHailstone wrote:

    Very nice article…before I get started i am one that is a huge music fan with well over 15,000 songs on cd, cassette, lp…not some jack that just stole it all through file sharing…and i dont have any Michael Jackson music…

    I’m not familiar with his disease and dont care, Michael Jackson didnt want to be black and everything played out that way. Only staunch fans would point to a pigmentation disease and take that as “the end all be all” when so much more evidence is there. First take a look at the thinning of his nose, lips, cheekbones and all plastic surgery to reduce negroid features. Second if you remember the time line when Michael used Eddie Murphy and Iman in said video was around the time we blacks were accusing Michael of being a race traitor in the late 80’s when black nationalism was at the forefront of the black community. These were the Public Enemy, X-Clan, and Brand Nubian years for those that know…and everyone’s black card was being checked in appearance and attitude and Michael was one that fell on the white side of the ledger. Not just for his appearance but for his depiction in his videos where yeah he put in Wesley Snipes in one of his videos but up to that point he made sure that the darker blacks depicted criminals or the other side. To understand what I’m talkin’ about you have to think about that era and what was goin’ on and being talked about in the black community.

    Those of you reading this that arent’ black won’t totally understand it. His collaborations with Teddy Riley, father of the new jack swing, was the greatest producer of that era (1987-1995) and Michael needed to “blacken” his sound to what was hip and relevant and to me it was simply financial and to combat those race allegations that he was hearing yet kept altering his appearance. If you follow the timeline this was when he proclaimed in song that it dosn’t matter if you’re Black or White (1991) when clearly with his behavior and attitudes it did.

    On another note..those aren’t his kids…they dont’ look biracial at all…and only zealot fans think that they resemble the new him without understanding genetics yet I digress..

    My boy hit me up with his death before it got online and i hit him with a phrase that he still thinks summed it up best…

    He was a greek tragedy…RIP

  53. Indie wrote:

    By the time that Michael was done with all his alterations, he barely looked like a man, so if the logic that his plastic surgeries were to make him look white because he hated being black, does that mean he hated being a man too, because Michael was definitely effeminate and with all the make up and long hair, if he wore a dress he will pass for hispanic woman.

    Whatever demons that he had to deal with that he could not see what a hottie he was, I hope he is finally at peace. He lived such a tortured life that like LA Reid said, I hope the chatter quietens down and the music is turned up. Whatever he saw in the mirror that informed his choices we will never know, all I know that each time I see his videos now especially the rock with you, and don’t stop till you get enough, the smiles on his face was so infectious that it still brings a smile to my face.

    He gave more joy than he ever received, so Michael do not owe the world anything, if having white kids gave him some moments of happiness, who are we to judge him. He was judged in life and in death, folks will not let him be.

  54. Jen wrote:

    It is more than a little sick to insinuate that this man was an antisemite. The entire point of that song was to speak out against racism and prejudice. His long-time spiritual leader was a rabbi.

    Please stop perpetuating lies.

  55. terri wrote:

    very nice post

  56. ashlynn wrote:

    For the record, I do believe that Michael had vitiligo. I think he was always troubled about his appearance and certainly the onset of such a skin condition didn’t help. In that scene of “An American Family,” where a teenage Mike is fretting about facial acne, I strongly feel that a deeper, more serious issue was being hinted at.

    The other day I read an extremely fascinating column by Errol Louis in the NY Daily News. Louis stated that he did not believe that his many surgeries had as much to do with race at they did with his mental state regarding his tumultuous childhood. He argued that Michael wasn’t trying not to be black, but be a child- specifically, the boy that never grows up…Peter Pan. When I read this, I felt this made much more sense then a lot of the racial arguments people were making. The fact of the matter is, Michael dedicated his life to helping children in need, especially African children. I don’t believe for a second that he was ever ashamed of being Black- his father? Yes. His heritage? Not quite. No, he may not have ever publicly stepped out with a significant other who was black, but consider that: 1) he has always featured breathtaking black beauty. Hell, he even completely rejected the idea of a white Egypt in Remember the Time, which, if I may add, was initially and most successfully portrayed by his VERY white close friend, Liz Taylor. 2) Romance and relationships in GENERAL were always a gray area with Michael; clearly there was some sort of emotional discrepancy going on there, so to even judge him based of that part of his life would be pretty baseless.

    Lastly, I would like to add that if- as recent reports claim- Michael was schizophrenic, this singular fact alone could account for ever (perceived) weird thing, action, and reaction the man has had from his young adult life onward. i couldn’t even begin to delve into that right there…

  57. frozen cuss wrote:

    Great meditation and sorting thr0ugh some things Carmen, thank you, it helped me.

    Also, Restructure wrote,

    “I mean, if somebody tells me that they have a disease, I would assume that they have it, not have doubts about it because I don’t know.”

    Normally yes, but in the case of M Jackson’s claim about his skin, that’s not why people have doubts about it. They have doubts because there are other compelling possible signs that he suffered from a desire to be white (however unconscious it may have been, if there, and however mixed with opposing affections/allegiances to blackness).

  58. Andi wrote:

    I find it interesting that people come out of the woodwork after a celebrity dies. Where were all of his fans and supporters when he was going through his trial? People like to forget some of the hardships that Michael Jackson went through, he seemed to be a really troubled man. Nobody can say for sure exactly why he changed his face so much, at this point anyone guessing is just speculating. I would like to believe that he really did have a skin condition and was proud of who he was and what he had accomplished but again, we will never know. I hope we can put aside all feelings about his personal life and focus on what an amazing musical icon he was.

  59. s_cat wrote:

    Great article! Lots of food for thought. I just read an interview with Quincy Jones where he says that Michael didn’t want to be black. This is a more nuanced way of looking at him.
    I had also forgotten the Jew me/sue me lines. I think it illustrates how laden our culture is with hateful language and fear. Whether or not MJ was an antisemite is really beside the point. Having a rabbi on call doesn’t really entitle you to use the word kike in a song you sell to millions of people. It smacks to me of the old, “but i have lots of black friends,” line.

  60. Emmeaki wrote:

    Interesting article about MJ’s kids:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/30/debbie-rowe-not-kids-biol_n_223054.html

  61. RainaWeather wrote:

    I was under the impression that the lyrics were supposed to illustrate the hateful language that people use on a daily basis, not to actually be an attack on jews.

  62. Esther wrote:

    This is all so thought provoking. Having looked at the some of the links I do now believe that Michael suffer vitiligo. I admit I have always had my doubts about this because the people I have seen with it always had “patchy” skin and this didn’t appear to be the case with Michael – the pictures in the press always seemed to show him being one colour all over which is what I had the problem with. Only now have I seen the pictures of him with light and dark skin and only now have I seen pictures of other individuals when they have got to the stage when they are white all over. Only now have I come to believe it and I feel quite ashamed about that and wish I had look into it myself and got the facts. And there was me priding myself on not believeing everything you see and read in the press and I fell right into their hands! I have no excuse for myself at all.

    Re the plastic surgery I believe that Michael’s extreme Body Dysmorphia led him to not want to have offspring that looked anything like him. If a white sperm donor was used this could be achieved. (Today I have seen speculation in the press that his second wife was not the biological mother of the first two children and that an egg donor was used – I hope this isn’t the case as it could mean those children growing up with no idea of who the biological parents are and they might end up having mind problems too).

    Although in the past I have heard of a white mother and a black father having twins where one twin was the usual light brown/caramel colour of mixed race children and the other twin was looked white I understand this is extremely rare and it would seem to me to be unbelievable that Michael could have three children, none of whom appear to have any of the traditional features, hair texture or colour we associate with black people.

    The majority of us are probably body dysmorphic to some extent – part of human nature seems to be that we are never completely satisfied with the way we are but most of us have enough confidence, space and/or financial constraints to stop us going overboard in making permanent alterations to our appearance. Not so for Michael.

    Coming from a family where body dysmorphia seems to be the rife, suffering vitiligo, false child molestation claims and the pressure of being a child star – far too much for any one sole to bear.

    We can only thank God that in spite of suffering all of that Michael has left us the legacy of his great talent to enjoy forever more. RIP

  63. DivergentDana wrote:

    “I was under the impression that the lyrics were supposed to illustrate the hateful language that people use on a daily basis, not to actually be an attack on jews.”

    That could be a plausible interpretation, but in light of this…

    http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4831_12.htm

    I dunno. It doesn’t look good.

  64. Rona wrote:

    Well-done. You took what could’ve been a Pandora’s box of controversy and spectacle and turned it into a compassionate, empathic commentary on one man’s struggle to love himself. Bravo!

  65. karak wrote:

    Michael Jackson did alter the darkness of his skin and the shape of his face to be not-black. But he never changed his hair color or his eye color (which is inexpensive and easy).

    You have to wonder why. I think he had body dysmorphia and he had some image that he kept trying to create in his own face.

    Or, possibly, he had a routine plastic surgery go terribly wrong, and he just needed more and more surgeries to try to fix it, and then fix those.

  66. AC wrote:

    You know, I really wish that Michael had been more open about the vitiligo thing from the beginning – we wouldn’t STILL have people who refuse to believe he had it, and it probably would have helped raise awareness for the condition, which I can imagine must be ridiculously traumatic for those that suffer from it (google “Lee Thomas”). It’s sad that people still say he “claimed” to have vitiligo, especially when there are plenty of pictures to be found showing the spotting on his skin in various points in his life.

    The guy was so private, and frankly I don’t think we will ever understand exactly what he was thinking or feeling during his life, since we have no reliable narrators. Obviously he had a traumatic childhood, and an eccentric adulthood, but other than that we know jack-all about why he did what he did to himself.

    The one thing that IS clear is that he DID have vitiligo, and especially for someone that seemed to already have issues with their appearance (thanks Joe, you sociopathic fuck), I can only imagine how discovering you were slowly changing color would feel. From what I’ve heard from others who suffer from the same condition, for some it is easier to attempt to rid themselves of all pigmentation than to try and use makeup to keep themselves the same shade they were originally. All the testimony from vitiligo sufferers that I have encountered seem to express sympathy and understanding for Michael (and note that vitiligo is not just a disease that affects black folks – another thing I didn’t know before). I won’t comment on the plastic surgery or any of the other odd behaviors he showed over the years, but I think people should at least accept that the skin thing wasn’t just “oh hey, I think I’ll turn myself white!”

    If there are 2 things I’ve learned from his death, it’s that no matter how embarrassing it is, coming clean about something is probably better than whatever the public will assume, and that people will believe any crazy shit about a famous person, and even when disproven they will cling to it like a dog drooling on your best shoes. (Granted, I already knew the second one thanks to last year’s election. good lord)

  67. Ron wrote:

    The skin issue is a red herring. People understand his condition. Many black people have some form of vitiligo or have come into contact with someone with the condition.

    Most societies have homemade remedies in dealing with the disease so we are not ignorant regarding this disease.

    For example, the ancient egyptians were one of the first societies to treat it. Many African societies treat it or eject people from society with it.

    If you have a white spot or lack of color anywhere on your body you may actually have a beign case of it .

    We are talking about his transformation of his cranial bone structure.

    Lest not forget that many scientist relating cranial bone structure to intelligence and even spirituality.

  68. Restructure! wrote:

    I just read an interview with Quincy Jones where he says that Michael didn’t want to be black.

    I looked it up because of your comment, and Quincy Jones didn’t/doesn’t believe MJ had vitiligo:

    Jones – who first worked with Jackson on 1979’s Off the Wall – tells Details they’d talk “all the time” about how Jackson was changing.

    “But he’d come up with, ‘Man, I promise you I have this disease,’ and so forth, and ‘I have a blister on my lungs,’ and all that kind of b.s.,” he says.

    [...]

    “I’ve been around junkies and stuff all my life. I’ve heard every excuse,” he says. “It’s like smokers ‘I only smoke when I drink’ and all that stuff. But it’s bulls**t. You’re justifying something that’s destructive to your existence. It’s crazy.”

    [...]

    “Chemical peels and all of it. And I don’t understand it,” he says. “But he obviously didn’t want to be black.”

    Asked if that is the reason Jackson had undergone so much plastic surgery, Jones says, “Well, what do you think? You see his kids?”

    Poor MJ. Even Quincy Jones didn’t believe that he had the disease.

  69. Emmeaki wrote:

    I have always been upset that people didn’t believe that MJ had vitiligo. I knew about this condition since I was a child (in the mid 80’s) after I heard a news report about it, so I never doubted him.

    I’ve always wondered if the sequined glove wasn’t just a fashion statement, but a way to hide the viviligo. I read that signs of this disease often starts on the hands. I also remember MJ wearing what looked like masking tape or some kind of bandages around several of his fingers back in the day. (You can see this in the Leave Me Alone video). I have always wondered.

  70. DivergentDana wrote:

    “Lest not forget that many scientist relating cranial bone structure to intelligence and even spirituality.”

    Scientists like who?

  71. c.n.edaw wrote:

    While I understand the focus on race, I too, am one of those who wonder why there is not more discussion about his appearance IMHO becoming more feminine as the years progressed.

    I guess you would have to count me as one of those who 1) believes doctors who say he had vitiligo —-partly because I also believe if there was a way for people to bleach themselves that effectively; we would see far more truly self-loathing people of color doing it. I mean people spend millions of dollars on hydroquinone products which are ineffective for the most part; so you can’t tell me that if there’s some way to make yourself truly creamy skinned M.J. is the only person in the world who has access to it.
    2) felt his appearance also stemmed from trying to be this transcendant being…going across race and and gender. Obviously, I am in the minority.

    As for the kids; I have often wondered if he just thought his own genes were tainted, period..from the abuse, his father’s influence, his own possible mental issues…and thus didnt want biological kids. I know a lot of people with mental illness or who come from abusive backgrounds that feel this way.

    I think its a bit of flawed logic that people often give an automatic pass to white people adopting black kids but a black man (or woman) adopting white kids just HAS to have some racial complex.

  72. ll wrote:

    I think it’s sad that in a post full of understanding the complexities of Michael Jackson and race, including a mention of your own multi-racial heritage, you reduce another celebrity to a paragraph of ripped out of context quotes dredged up in 2007 that she has since discussed endlessly. No space to recognize Jessica Alba’s take on her own multi-racial heritage might have been much better articulated since and is really not the best ‘negative’ example for your discussion of Michael Jackson? Especially since Racialicious has covered many of her interviews in the past two years like the one with Latina in 2008 where she said completely the opposite about the cutting loose and denied saying it. It’s a pretty unhelpful example for you to use.

  73. Kameeshia wrote:

    Couldn’t have said it better. Excellent statement.

  74. k wrote:

    I’ve been chewing on this all night since I finally read this and I’m just so disappointed in Racialicious for going with the cheapshot at Jessica Alba. You know those quotes from 2007 were originally attributed to a spanish language magazine in 2007 – exactly the place one might expect Alba would speak about her feelings of “cutting loose” while promoting Fantastic Four 2. And I’m being sarcastic when I say that, since I know tone doesn’t translate on the internet. They didn’t interview her. She denied the quotes a week later, something you didn’t link to. Denied, denied and in an interview with Latina in 2008, their staff were unable to find any interview where she said those things. She did say that back in 2005 when she was getting a lot of comparisons to Jennifer Lopez, she had said she didn’t want to be known as a latina actress, but just as an actress. So instead of a new interview, the quotes were old, apparently. Stripped of all context, and bundled together for maximum damage. Sounds like a tabloid attack Michael Jackson might have understood. Andy Garcia recently said he’d prefer to be known as an actor, not a Latino Actor, will you link to him next time you need a celebrity quote about being a race traitor or expressing unease with your race? Or not?

    So, at best, we’re talking about a few quotes ripped so wildly out of context the Latina staff could not find the original interviews, presented as a new interview – so dubious provenance doesn’t even begin to cover it. But if you’d prefer to set aside any doubts and say, okay, she said them, you can’t even consider that her all her subsequent interviews talking about how she loved her Mexican family, her actions in teaching her own baby spanish since she wanted to raise her own daughter differently from how she was raised, her constant attendance at Latino events (whether to smooth over the controversy or because she actually gave a damn) – she still gets to be the easy target, the black and white scapegoat for remarks that were probably, if they were said at all, from 2005? I know it’s too late for however many people read this at CNN or subsequent readers here, but I really sincerely hope that you will take a moment next time you need to make an unnecessary cheapshot to make your point in a compare and contrast and either not do it or leave Alba out of it. If she hasn’t done enough to convince you she has changed her mind/no longer feels that way/never felt that way, it’s still beneath Racialicious. The twists and turns of Alba’s experience and perception in the media and her attempts to communicate where she really stands along with the absolute resistance to believing her when it isn’t negative sounds like the kind of interesting blog post Racialicious would be analyzing and discussing. But I guess not.

    I’m so disappointed because this blog isn’t Perez Hilton or any of the celebrity gossip blogs that traffic in quotes of dubious provenance and lack of analysis. Alba shouldn’t have to wait until she’s dead for you to actually look at the record and show her the kind of compassion and discernment you show Michael Jackson here. Who would have probably completely gotten the whole pilloried by tabloids and hacks with out of nowhere quotes thing.

  75. Dana wrote:

    Did somebody really say “Octoroons” and “Quadroons” here??? What the h*&$???

    I just want to reiterate the thought that reproductive genetics, especially for black people in America, is a crapshoot. Even if both parents are milk chocolate, dark chocolate, caramel, cafe au lait, vanilla bean, or any combination of these, there is no guarantee that their children will look strictly or “stereotypically” black, or even look THAT much like their parents.

    If you are black in America – and I don’t mean biracial, multiracial, or able to trace back to that slippery white ancestor – we just never know where, when, or if green/grey/blue eyes, mysteriously straight or curly (not kinky) hair, Rainbow Coalition skin tones, sandy/blonde/reddish hair, aquiline features, etc will pop up.

    It just is what it is.

    So please don’t make assumptions that because MJ’s children don’t look much – if anything – like him, that they aren’t biologically his.

  76. China Blue wrote:

    The reason people question whether MJ’s kids were genetically his, if he had vitiligo, and if he was proud to be black, is this:

    He lied, time and time again, about the obvious alterations to his appearance. In the Bashir doc, he admitted to having only ‘one’ nose job.
    *pulls ‘NINJA, PLZ face*

    So asking me to believe he was telling the truth about anything – ANYTHING – else is a big ask.

  77. gracep wrote:

    Does Michael have to reveal the color of his butt? The number of hair follicles in his chest etc etc.??? Just let him be. Stop banging your head with mind boggling senseless insinuations to his appearnce. Other artists sure have done more. They were just not open about it. Look around. Why incessantly pound and malign this guy? Bullies!
    After all that’s the price he has to pay..the entertainment world is also filled with sucker-reporters.
    No amount of medical explanation or evidence will quench media’s thirst for blood until they see someone really down.

  78. Tracy wrote:

    In the Bashir interview he said he had 2 nose jobs. He denied having gotten his eyes and mouth done and having implants in his cheeks and chin. He also said he had reconstructive surgery after the Pepsi fire, but Bashir cut that out because he wanted people to continue to hate and doubt Michael. Obviously he succeeded form some of the comments.

    Jermaine has had way more surgery than Michael. But fortunately for him he didn’t get vitiligo so he’s still brown.

  79. Doug Cooper Spencer wrote:

    Lyrics from Michael Jackson’s song, ‘Morphine’

    They got place baby
    Kicked in the face baby
    You hate your race baby
    You’re just a liar

    Not only brings to mind his coming out about his drug addiction, but also his feelings about being black. Was he singing about himself?