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1. Eastern societies are not more sexually liberated than Western societies. « Restructure! on 19 Jun 2009 at 5:27 pm

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1. Paz wrote:

   Re: Apology for Slavery
   On the one hand, it’s better than nothing at all. On the other, it just brings up such exasperation.
   But hey! The white Congressmen can now pat themselves on the back. This plus Obama = End of racism. Now stop your whining, black people. /sarcasm

   Posted 19 Jun 2009 at 12:28 pm ¶

2. InJM wrote:

   @internet vigilanties

   I would just say that there isn’t one “Anonymous.”

   Posted 20 Jun 2009 at 5:18 am ¶

3. Pheagan wrote:

   From the Salon article on the Asian fetish book: “The subject is squirm-inducing, whether you are a Chinese man with a humiliated heart or a Western woman feeling obscurely spurned or, for that matter, even if you’re a Western man enthralled, as Bernstein himself seems to be, by the image of the quintessential Asian nymph, with her “long silky hair, smooth nut-brown skin, and a perfume of orange and spice on her breath” — and feeling kinda defensive about it.”

   And if you’re an Asian woman, we don’t care about you beyond your status as an object, as usual.

   Posted 20 Jun 2009 at 3:32 pm ¶

4. Felicity wrote:

   Pheagan @3:
   Yes, that paragraph’s omission boggled my mind as well. Kind of amazing, especially in an article where the second half is supposed to be about what Asian women think of relationships with white men.

   Posted 20 Jun 2009 at 7:55 pm ¶

5. Persia wrote:

   I didn’t get very far in the Salon article. That paragraph was a big reason why.

   Posted 21 Jun 2009 at 12:54 am ¶

6. RCHOUDH wrote:

   That Bernstein book sounds like something that’ll creep me out. It sounds like he’s trying to justify Asian fetish certain white men have which is preposterous. And I like what was said about how white men weren’t always capable of “treating” women fairly until the sexual revolution in the 60’s. That’s not a long time ago so that myth that white men have always treated women better should be laid to rest.

   Posted 21 Jun 2009 at 3:08 am ¶

7. Pheagan wrote:

   @Felicity– I was looking for a place on the original website I could comment on that as well, but I couldn’t find one w/in 5 min. It just sooo pisses me off at how obvious that one is.

   Posted 21 Jun 2009 at 3:15 am ¶

8. m. wrote:

   I love how, according to the article, Bernstein portrays himself and other Western males as some sort of pathetic victims in his book by claiming him and his are “restricted” by the “moral confines” of the West. All I have to say here is this: “Holy shit – when, and where in the West, are white men NOT free of restraint(s), scorn and criticism as a result of the moral confines they’ve created?!” Also, from the article I gather that Bernstein focuses on Eastern-type patriarchy. Because Western civilization isn’t patriarchal? Last I checked, the type of “baseline changes” demanded by Western women were in response to Western oppressions brought on by Western men and their Western ideals. So, uh, it’s interesting to know that since a few (carefully selected) women Bernstein interviewed feel as if partnering with those perpretrating these oppressions will allow them for more “freedom”, so many Asian women will gain something from these flings and relationships. (And I suppose Bernstein and other Western males who’d take a few satisfied customers’ word for it would expect *all* women to believe that white men’s beds are the very source of empowerment and liberation for women living in the West.)
   Really, though – it must be difficult for Western guys like Bernstein to uphold such sparkling reputations as such respectful partners from enlightened countries with progressive ideals. Think about all the Asian women white guys must rescue from their backwards countrymen, then sexually liberate (all while taking some much-needed time to liberate themselves from their morally restrictive countries of origin). Talk about romantic. Talk about multi-tasking. Talk about The White Man’s Burden, v2.0/In The Bedroom.

   Posted 22 Jun 2009 at 1:25 am ¶

9. Restructure! wrote:

   @Persia:

   Page 1 of the Salon article is crap, but Page 2 is awesome. You can start on Page 2 to save your sanity.

   It’s like two different narratives on Page 1 and Page 2.

   Posted 22 Jun 2009 at 8:43 am ¶