What’s in a Name? Your Job!

by Guest Contributor Sobia, originally published at Muslim Lookout

CTV News recently reported on a BC based study in which it was found that Canadians with English names have a better chance of getting a job than do people with non-English, specifically Chinese, Pakistani, or Indian, names. CTV News reports

In fact, after sending out thousands of resumés, the study found those with an English name like Jill Wilson and John Martin received 40 per cent more interview callbacks than the identical resumés with names like Sana Khan or Lei Li.

“If employers are engaging in name-based discrimination, they may be contravening the Human Rights Act,” said the study’s author, Philip Oreopoulos, economics professor at the University of B.C. “They may also be missing out on hiring the best person for the job.”

The study also found that the only way the applicants could improve their chances of a callback was to state they had Canadian or British experience.

And before one thinks this may have something to do with acculturation or language issues some new immigrants may have, the study’s author suspects that even second and third generation immigrants are at a “significant disadvantage” if they have a Chinese, Indian or Pakistani name (great – I guess my Pakistani name is going to be trouble for me after all). However, not as much as their parents or grandparents may be. I guess, it’s all in the name.

Of course, one can see how this would be problematic for those with non-English sounding names. Employers would be engaging in discrimination of applicants based on an aspect of a person’s identity that cannot indicate an individual’s competency for the job position. An aspect linked to ethnicity. In other words – racism. In the case of this study, racism toward specific groups of people, many of whom are Muslims. The findings of this study are disturbing indeed and they demonstrate the way in which “Canadian” is defined. Those with English names – yes names originating from England (which if my memory serves me correctly is now considered a foreign country in Canada) – are categorized as “real” Canadians while those with non-English sounding names are seen as non-Canadians, as others.

To begin with, the CTV article itself creates an othering of those with non-English names. By using the terms “foreign names” or “foreign-sounding names” to refer to non-English names CTV makes the assumption that only English names are truly Canadian. Those names that are not English sounding are not Canadian – including Pakistani names. Pakistanis, along with Indians and Chinese, are therefore otherized and assumed to be foreign. Even those born and raised in Canada.

And of course, the results of the study imply a similar othering. Those with non-English names, it seems, do not appear to be Canadians and as such need not be interviewed or considered. They are considered to be “foreign” and as such are seen to be less competent than “real” Canadians (or Britons it seems). Additionally, the study also found that “Chinese resumes that had English first names increased the chances of getting a callback.” All this hints that those with non-Canadian names are not seen as acculturated or Canadian enough. Take on an English name (ie name from England) and all of a sudden you’re more Canadian?

The irony of course should not be lost on readers. English names are just that – English. They are not Canadian. They originated in England. Yet names from England, and therefore people whose roots are in England (a foreign country by the way), are viewed as Canadian. And those whose roots originate in India, Pakistan, or China are not? Additionally, can we really forget that these English names have belonged to the colonizers – those who massacred Canada’s indigenous populations and stole their land? These English names arrived in Canada via extremely violent and vicious means.

How will this discovery bode for Muslim applicants? The implications for Muslims are clear. Most Muslims in Canada have non-English names. According to what this study implies, we are seen as lesser Canadians, if Canadians at all. Our names, regardless of our citizenship and nationality, are “foreign names,” as CTV would put it. We are thus seen as not “real” Canadians. The racism inherent in such discriminatory practices, whether intentional or not, has tried to define for us our place in Canada – as foreigners.

(Image Credit: CTV)

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Comments

  1. Kamala wrote:

    I’ve always thought it’s strange that many people in countries like the US, Canada and Australia (where I live) haven’t figured out the basic pronunciation patterns of most “foreign” names. My high school was about 60% Asian and had at least 25 students with the surname “Nguyen” in each grade level, but my (white) principal, for whatever reason, never managed to pronounce it correctly. It’s not that hard to suss out that the “g” is silent, or that the X in names like ‘Xu’ is pronounced as Z.

    Plus, many people with Asian names– myself included– just westernise the pronunciation of their name to make things easier for everyone else. My own name is incredibly easy to just sound out– three consonants each separated by an ‘a’. I never get insulted if someone mispronounces my name the first time they see it; I’ll just correct them politely, and to be honest I appreciate the effort. (My last name is longer and slightly more complicated yet also easy to sound out– a reading technique taught in kindergarten, for goodness’ sake– but most people don’t even try and pronounce it, they just smile sheepishly, which bugs me.)

    I doubt that the findings of a similar study would be any different in Australia (if anything, they’d probably be worse, especially in fields not related to health/science/commerce). Sigh…it really just ties in to what you just said, Sobia: if you’re not white, you’re foreign. It doesn’t matter what your accent is like, what citizenship you hold, or even where you were born. When people ask where I’m from I know they usually mean ethnically (I’m Indian), but to throw them off I normally just name the suburb I grew up in.

  2. Abu Sinan wrote:

    It would be interesting to see this study broken down into various parts of the jobs spectrum.

    I work in the IT/IP sector and I can tell you that names really account for nothing here. More than 50% of my co-workers have decidedly un-American sounding names.

    Could this be about necessity? We have such a shortage of Electrical and other types of Engineers, that if discrimination of this type were rampant, we’d be completely unable to function.

    I wonder if numbers would support my idea that this is much more of an issue where there is a shortage of jobs not an abundance?

  3. Queen B wrote:

    I’m not surprised by the results of the study. A similar study was done in the US involving “black sounding names” and “white sounding names”. The results showed that a person named “Elizabeth Warren” would be more likely to get a call back than “Towanda Jenkins”.

    All of the applicants had similar work experience/education so the only conclusion was that the employers were making their hiring decisions based on race. The employer theorizes that Towanda is black and thus does not want hire her.

    How sad and unfortunate. I have an English first name and a Nigerian last name. My address also indicates that I live in a predominately Black/Latino neighborhood. I wonder if I have a victim of discrimination because I have been sending out resumes for months with no offers.

  4. Pickly wrote:

    @Kamala:

    On nguyen specifically, it is going to be a pretty difficult name to pronounce, just because thepronounciation and spelling don’t match in the same way as any other english words, so it will be a difficult name to pronounce if read before heard. (Personally, I’ve heard the name pronounced several times, and still read it as “n-goo-yin” in my head”)

    With a lot of other naming systems, though, it doesn’t really make much sense. (My high school principal would always mispronounce someone’s greek last name, even though the other teachers and students could prounounce it something close to the actual greek prounciation.) Some problems do seem like they’d still come from sounds existing in one language that don’t exist in other languages, or at leasdt aren’t commonly used.

    As for the name discrimination itself, this isn’t really surprising, since I think similar studies have been done in the U.S. with “Black” names (And it seems other sorts of names as well). I do wonder how french vs. English names would compare in Canada, though.

  5. Pickly wrote:

    (I wonder how many other people will mention the “black names” study before realizing it was already mentioned.)

  6. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    Isn’t this like that everywhere, though? Let’s not deny the fact. An Arab Christian applicant would probably have a less chance getting a job than an Arab Muslim applicant in a Muslim dominated area in the Middle East.

    Sad fact of life– everyone prefers their own. My father is an employer and I hate to say this, but he always places priority on South Asians (Muslims and Hindus) over non-South Asians. After South Asians, he favors East Asians and Middle Easterns…

  7. Kamala wrote:

    @Pickly: My problem with my principal’s mispronunciation wasn’t that she couldn’t figure it out the first few times she saw it. It was that she apparently refused to learn how to pronounce it correctly. It wasn’t like there were only one or two girls in the school with that last name; there were easily 100 (out of 1200 or so students). By the time I graduated, the principal had been there for four years and had had ample time to learn the most common surname in the school. After year 2, I’d lost my sympathy for her.

  8. Kandeezie wrote:

    @Pickly, Canada has a different target – so the “black names” study was out of the US. For Canada, we seem to target those who we assume to be immigrants first. In my experience, black sounding names could indicate that the person is American, which is perfectly acceptable to a Canadian.

  9. Mammith wrote:

    When people can’t pronounce my name it really pisses me off, I mean it’s two syllables for crying out loud! I always make an effort to learn absolutly everyone’s name correctly and I honestly can’t understand it when people can’t say names like Amir and Muna, it’s hardly rocket science.

    Ugh and it’s the worst when you meet these people who make no effort and immediately anglicize your name, I’ve had so many ‘Oooooh, we’ll call you Mark/Matthew’ when other than the first letter it has no similarity to my name!

    Hmmm, I’ve been looking for a job recently and I barely ever hear a response, maybe it’s due to my ‘foreign’ name and my postcode on the application (I live in a working class multi-racial area).

  10. Kandeezie wrote:

    (…cont) That doesn’t mean that discrimination doesn’t happen to blacks (as if that could ever happen!), but I’ve noticed that there’s an anti-immigrant current, which seems to come first for those who consider themselves to be ‘real Canadians’ even if their parents immigrated from Europe. Funny. And because many many people in Canada are immigrants, they just lump it all into one big discrimination ball.

  11. RCHOUDH wrote:

    I’m also not surprised by this study unfortunately. Re: Muslim names- I believe some Muslims can escape getting their job applications rejected if their names are either unusual sounding names (particular to the region of the world they’re from) or if they have names similar to Jewish/Christian names. For example a Muslim with the name Enver Hoxha from Eastern Europe won’t be readily assumed to be Muslim because it is not recognizable as a Muslim name; the name will indicate something foreign but not one of those “undesirable” foreign names.
    Another example is someone whose name is similar to ones kept by Jews/Christians like Sarah, Farah, Binjamin, etc. also has a good chance of escaping rejection (Muslims can also Westernize their names which are similar to old Hebrew names like Ibrahim to Abraham, Yunus to Jonah, etc) because of being mistaken for being nonMuslim.
    Unusual sounding names, along with not having brown skin and the visible Muslim markers (hijab, beard) can also help many Muslims escape employment discrimination. Of course this is not the way things should be; employers should learn to not discriminate against anyone period so that people don’t have to go to great lengths to present themselves as pretending to be something they’re not.

  12. Ruchama wrote:

    Hasn’t this been true in the US for a while? Of my ancestors who came to the US from Russia and Poland between 1888 and 1904, almost none of them kept their original names. First names were all Americanized (Yetta became Henrietta, Sheyndle became Jennie, and so on), and most of the last names at the very least got simplified in spelling and pronunciation, and some changed entirely — one family took the name Anders, where the n and the s were the only letters in common with their original name. And pretty much all of them did it for jobs and school.

    In the forties, my grandfather, who came to the US from Austria in 1942, considered changing his obviously German (and not obviously Jewish) last name to something generically Anglo, because people didn’t want to hire someone with an accent and a German name.

  13. Restructure! wrote:

    I also blogged about this: Canadian resumés with English names are 40% more likely to secure a job interview, study finds

    Abu Sinan:

    I work in the IT/IP sector and I can tell you that names really account for nothing here. More than 50% of my co-workers have decidedly un-American sounding names.

    What do you mean by IT/IP? Assuming IT means Information Technology, I work in the IT sector, and even Asians have named-based prejudice against other Asians during hiring. Generally, English communication skills are lacking in IT, but people are using ethnicity, name, and race to estimate English ability.

  14. Ana wrote:

    This is so sad! As an Eastern European with a very non-English name and a recent graduate in Toronto, this makes me feel horrible!

    I’m lucky because I also have a middle name that can be translated into English, but using it makes me feel like such a sell-out and I wonder if using an English first name with a non-English last name will benefit me at all….

  15. Talulah wrote:

    I’m a white US citizen with Italian ancestry, and even my family’s run up against that whole “damn furrener” nonsense. One time my dad–then an active duty Marine–got called in by a superior officer. The officer just started railing at him, dressing him down for all sorts of stuff that my father knew he hadn’t done. Dad just stood there, taking it, until the officer got specific enough that Dad figured out who he was talking about: another Italian-American marine in the same outfit. “Sir,” my father said when the officer stopped to catch his breath, “I think you’ve got the wrong Italian.”

    Without batting an eyelash, the officer shouted, “Get out of here and send Zefirelli in!”

    It was pretty funny only because no harm came out of it, but seriously: my dad didn’t look like this guy or act like this guy. The only common denominator was their “ethnic” last names. Which, by the way, didn’t even sound alike, except in the way that all “foreign” last names sound alike to Americans.

    What I’ve learned from my father’s story, other than that superior officers are usually kinda dumb, is that not only does this idea of “foreigness” otherize people with non-Anglo names, it ultimately renders them interchangeable. Zeferelli is to Vardalos is to Nyugen is to Hwang: same difference. They’re all equally unpronounceable, ergo they’re all the same, right? Just one, undifferentiated mass, not individual people with individual histories.

  16. itsdebatable wrote:

    HA! This is a sad but hilariously true fact of Western life. As much as people want to say that we are becoming “post-racial,” among other things, it should come as no surprise that in hiring and interviewing a person does not want to call someone whose name he/she may not pronounce correctly. I have the same problem, my father is Nigerian and did not, as many of his countrymen did, give his children an English/Christian first name. Despite being born in the US, I am constantly told that it is no wonder I have problems at the airport, finding jobs, etc. because I have a “foreign” sounding name. On several occasions of telling about my airport problems people have said that “oh that’s because your name sounds like a “muslim” name-it doesn’t (and I am bothered when people would use that as a justification for being marginalized). Until those types of people, (regardless of ethnicity, because I’ve had the same problem with American blacks not embracing “ghetto” and/or “foreign-sounding” names) can get over their ignorance and inability to accept the “other,” these practices will not go away.

    P.S. I LOVE my name and always have. I have NEVER allowed people to shorten it or change it, because I feel it takes away from the enormous power that it has, and that it would disrespect my father’s careful naming of all NINE of his children. Besides, it sets me apart from the colonizers:-)

  17. Joy wrote:

    People who have trouble pronouncing or learning to pronounce names over time are not always racist or lazy. Names are just difficult for some people and normal rules of “sounding it out” don’t always work. Besides, reading a name over and over is not the same as hearing it pronounced correctly out loud. (My cousin’s name is Tamara and I automatically pronounce all “Tamara” names the same way, even though there are two other pronounciations.)

    Anyway, names are such a sensitive subject to people that I, (and probably many other people ase well), would perfer to not say a name at all rather than mispronounce it and catch an attitude for it. And, few things are worse than feeling stupid while trying to sound out someone’s name. Unless someone offers, I’d perfer to just let it go until I hear enough other people say it.

  18. c.n. edaw wrote:

    Joy makes a good point. I used to think people mispronouncing names was some sincere effort or attempt to diminish someone or just showed they didn’t have enough respect to learn a name correctly.

    I’m not negating the importance. As a newscaster I will usually omit a name altogether if possible rather than pronounce it wrong because I know how much it can offend someone.

    But people underestimate how much of a difference hearing something pronounced constantly makes in your ability to remember it. When I lived in Texas and was around a lot of Spanish speakers I could usually pronounce or make out any Spanish word or surname. Once I moved to state that had few Spanish speakers and didnt hear those words or names said on a regular basis I lost the ability to say them or make them out. Now that I am working somewhere with a lot of Mexican immigrants I wish I had that ability back.

    However I have the same problem with some Americanized names. I have a friend named Alicia, an aunt named Alicia , and a cousin named Alicia. They all pronounce it differently and I often get tripped up. Same with the Andreas and Megans –and there’s not enough time in the day to discuss some of my black friends with the children whose names have 12 letters , 4 syllables, no vowels or are pronounced in ways that don’t correspond at all to the letters in the name.

    In the news business I have seen firsthand though how hiring managers, when receiving resume tapes or DVD’s will simply look at the names on the outside and start classifying them. If they are not looking to fill a minority slot –Hispanic, Asian or black sounding names are tossed out of the mix.

    I know there have been times I have had my tape or dvd seen when news directors were not looking for a black candidate only because my name does not at all read black. I didn’t immediately get sorted out. It’s not right but I know it happens all the time.

  19. lechatnoir wrote:

    having once worked in the HR department I have witnessed it first hand, our HR was googling those names he couldn’t pin an ethnicity on regularly.

    In the case of Canada , ( specifically French names ), there is a fringe of French sounding names that aren’t French but Haitian , there are enough French names that have disappeared in France , but in Canada those are common.Either way we can tell who is behind them.

    It is easy to guess someone’s background even if both names sound as French as Jacqueline Bouvier. And you best believe those who practice this type discrimination can see other markers I am not aware of .Poscodes, speech patterns ( even a formal writing can tip someone off ).

    In regards to the pronunciation of names.
    the interpretation of the roman script is a bit at fault here, because it is not the same across the europe .
    E=I ( for the french) J=Y for the german , S=Z in Germany . I could quote countless of examples , in addition to that other countries actually need 2 vowels or consonants to produce the sound of just one letter of the alphabet.this can alter a name drastically.

  20. Emmeaki wrote:

    It has always annoyed me when people act like it’s sooooooooo complicated to pronounce non-English names, some of which are ten times easier to pronounce than some common “American” names.

    In third grade, there was an Iraqi boy in my class whose names was pronounced “ouse” (Like house, without the H. I can’t remember the spelling since I was so young at the time.)

    The teacher called him “Oz” (as in Wizard of…) for the whole year and it annoyed the hell out of me even at that age. Somehow, all the rest of us 9-year-olds were able to grasp the pronunciation of his one-syllable name, but the teacher couldn’t.

  21. Mr. Kedi wrote:

    just a side tracker there is a lot of white Canadian (LOTS of them) who have non-english name, supermodel Daria Werbowy would be a good example.
    am i am just wondering why do the study doesnt include this, knowing that Canada do have lots of these invisible minorities.

  22. NancyP wrote:

    I have to say that I stumble over some names, particularly those of people whose ethnicity is uncommon locally, and undoubtedly flatten them with the local Midwestern accent. “Nguyen”, however, is not one of them. Perhaps that is because occasional Vietnamese people of that surname have anglicized it to “Winn”, making it easy to remember “Nguyen = win”. One thing that always confuses me is when a person with a non-Anglo name goes by both the birth name and an anglicized nickname – I try to use the birth name, and when others use the anglicized nickname, sometimes I think “who?” for a second.

  23. skreader wrote:

    I wonder if they also compared call backs for Ango names with call backs for interviews for candidates with names European non-Anglo and non-French family names like Kowalchuk, Lipschitz, Papageorgiou, Voutilainen, or Wojcinski.

    Would there be a difference for a candidate named something like Bela Szekeres vs. someone named something like Salman Khan?

    And would both do better w/ a short Anglo first name? Bob Szekeres and Sam Khan?

    Changing or Anglicizing names to make employment easier his an old practice in the USA (and likely Canada).

    One of my favorite examples is the author, Irving Wallace. He changed his name from Wallechinsky in the 1930s. His son in the late 60s or early 70s went back to the name. They co-authored “The Book of Lists” together as Wallace and Wallechinsky.

  24. Rashida wrote:

    Excuses… I highly doubt that some HR person is seriously sitting there deciding whether or not to call someone with an “ethnic” sounding name for fear that he’ll “catch an attitude” by the person on the other end. Get real! The person he’s calling NEEDS A JOB. Further, the recipient is probably used to people mangling their name. We’ve learned to correct and move along. My first name is Arabic, my middle is Hebrew and my last is Black–literally. I used to think that only Malaak Compton-Rock, wife of Chris Rock, knew my struggles. But I’ve since concluded that if a company is too stupid to get caught up on the header of my resume and doesn’t see how accomplished I am in the body of the document, it’s not an company I would really want to work with or for.

  25. kate wrote:

    Thought you guys might like this since it basically sums up the POV we all can’t seem to stand: http://tinyurl.com/ow367s

    The whole thing is really worth reading but here are a few particularly charming passages.

    “Deferring to people’s own pronunciation of their names should obviously be our first inclination, but there ought to be limits. Putting the emphasis on the final syllable of Sotomayor is unnatural in English…and insisting on an unnatural pronunciation is something we shouldn’t be giving in to.”

    “And should we put Asian surnames first in English just because that’s the way they do it in Asia? When speaking of people in Asia, okay, but not people of Asian origin here, where Mao Tse-tung would properly have been changed to Tse-tung Mao.”

    “But one of the areas where conformity is appropriate is how your new countrymen say your name, since that’s not something the rest of us can just ignore…And there are basically two options — the newcomer adapts to us, or we adapt to him. And multiculturalism means there’s a lot more of the latter going on than there should be.”

    GAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! sometimes i really feel embarrassed to be white/American

  26. RCHOUDH wrote:

    I’d like to also add that it’s not simply a supposed “fear” of mangling up someone’s name that causes employers to disregard an applicant’s qualifications of a job. Around certain “ethnic” are biased racist assumptions that employers will exercise when deciding who to hire. For example after 9/11 alot of Muslims experienced rampant job discrimination because of anti Muslim fears. I remember someone, who was South Asian Muslim male, saying that he was once at a job fair shortly after 9/11. When a recruiter took one look at his name on his resume and at him, the recruiter blatantly revealed his racism by trashing the applicant’s resume right in front of him! The guy didn’t even bother to review what qualifications the applicant held obviously, thus revealing that he was exercising his Islamophobic tendencies. Behind certain names employers hold certain stereotypical racist assumptions, which is why they will often reject applications with names belonging to specific ethnicities/races/religions. So it’s not just a matter of rejecting someone with a foreign sounding name; it’s specific foreign sounding names that are singled out for rejection.

  27. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Restructure,

    I mean “Information Technology/Intellectual Property”.

    I did hiring where I work for a year. Qualified applicants were in such short supply that no one I think could have gotten away with turning away a qualified person if they wanted to.

    As a guess we hired over 50% foreign born applicants, maybe even higher numbers of people without “regular American” (as Archy Bunker would say) names.

    I was kind of the “go to” person in the office for trying to figure out how to say people’s names when contacting them because I have been all around the world. I am especially good with Arabic/Muslim names, less so with Farsi names.

    My point being that when there is intense need for certain highly educated jobs I think much of this issue goes out the window.

    When the employer has much more of a potential applicant pool to draw from the ability to discriminate increases.

  28. Rita wrote:

    Somewhat off topic, but since others have brought up this issue about proper pronunciation of names, let me just chime in with some linguistic info. Emmeaki wonders why an adult teacher was not able to correctly pronounce a name that 9 year olds found easy. It’s not necessarily that the teacher was dense. Young children are more more flexible linguistically than adults are. They can hear subtleties of pronunciation that adults have lost the ability to hear. This is why young children can pick up other languages so easily.

    If you grow up only hearing one language, or even just one pronunciation, you will probably not be able to hear or pronounce sounds that are based on a different linguistic pattern than your own. Even though it may seem to you that your name is simple to say and others should be able to pronounce it correctly, it may very well be that some people literally can’t form those sounds.

    As an example, my dad was always amazed that as a small child I could imitate a British accent. He can’t do it to save his life. I probably could do it because we used to watch British comedies on PBS.

    As to the original post, the results of that study don’t surprise me at all.

  29. Emmeaki wrote:

    Rita wrote:

    As an example, my dad was always amazed that as a small child I could imitate a British accent. He can’t do it to save his life. I probably could do it because we used to watch British comedies on PBS.

    Ha Ha! I used to do a great British accent when I was 10. (better than I can do at 35!) Loved the British comedies and mystery movies that they used to show on PBS!

  30. Sobia wrote:

    Thanks for the comments everyone!

    The way I saw this issue was not so much that people feared mispronouncing the names.

    My suspicion is that employers are making value judgements based on names. “Foreign” names as the article kept calling them, seem to imply “foreign” credentials which to many employers mean inferior skills.

    Additionally, “foreign” (I seriously hated how they kept referring to non-English names as foreign) names may imply lack of English proficiency to employers. Though here I must say that for most White Canadians having an accent means not being proficient in English. One could speak the most eloquent English but if you have a non-Canadian/American/Western European accent, one’s English skills would be considered poor by most White Canadians. So I would suspect these employers may not be willing to adjust their ears to a non-Canadian/American/Western European accent.

    I think this issue is much less about fears of mispronouncing names and much more about “you’re not really a Canadian” view.

  31. Restructure! wrote:

    For anyone who is still confused about what people are thinking when they discriminate against non-English names, here are some comments on the original CTV article:

    Well in an ENGLISH/FRENCH country, of course names that are english are going to be noticed first. Because of the qualificaitons. I personally hate it when i try and get service and i cannot be serviced in either FRENCH OR ENGLISH. It isn’t about discriminations, it is about qualification.

    and, if you still don’t get what they are thinking, a different person commented:

    english names = ability to speak english. NO matter where you are in the world, you have to be able to speak english.

    @Sobia:

    Additionally, “foreign” (I seriously hated how they kept referring to non-English names as foreign) names may imply lack of English proficiency to employers. Though here I must say that for most White Canadians having an accent means not being proficient in English.

    Another problematic layer is the assumption that people with non-English names speak English with an accent (i.e., that they are from elsewhere). I’m a native speaker of English and I was born here, but I have a non-English name. It happens.

  32. Sobia wrote:

    @ Restructure:

    “Another problematic layer is the assumption that people with non-English names speak English with an accent ”

    Absolutely. And I hope it didn’t seem like I was implying that. I believe that for many people “foreign” name means, “foreign” accent regardless of what the reality is. And this is indeed extremely problematic. It just continues to other anyone who does not fit into the White Anglo/Franco-Canadian stereotype. It basically says that even if we were born here we are still not Canadians if we are not of English/French origins.

  33. Sobia wrote:

    @ Restructure:

    And thanks for posting those comments. Honestly, in the last few months reading comments on news websites when news sites report any stories having to do with ethnic minorities has been so incredibly disturbing. I am always amazed at how incredibly racist SO MANY of the comments are. So many.

    Just further proves how much of a myth “Canadians are less racist than Americans” really is.

  34. cytoken wrote:

    Is this how Ramon Gerardo Antonio Estévez becomes “Martin Sheen”

    I want to change my name, but then I’d feel like a sellout. And my parents have always been against it, something about culture…and stuff.

  35. Jay wrote:

    Just further proves how much of a myth “Canadians are less racist than Americans” really is.

    Well, I know the Globe (and Mail) is just as bad with its online comments, and it’s supposedly the more intelligent paper too!

    There is a significant minority of Americans on both sites as well, they’re not all Canadian (just like not all commenters on Racialicious are American.)

    Really does confirm that little Penny Arcade internet theory.

  36. robert wrote:

    Pronounciation is very complicated.

    My name is rob. Three letters one syllable. Easy. Or so you would think.

    Where i live now people either try to pronounce it the way i do whereupon it becomes ‘wob’ or they do it their way and it becomed ‘GGHHHGGrrobe’

    Americans insist on pronouncing it’ Raaahb’

    But I dont care at all. A rose by any other name, etc.

  37. Msday wrote:

    I actually think it depends on the job field. I had a long name that was a combination of Nigerian, and Native American with a big old Scottish surname. I am in a biotechnological field and I am an American woman of color. With that Scottish name attached, I never received call backs.
    So one day, I dropped my surname and kept the last middle name, which made it sound totally foreign. The callbacks began and many were surprised to see me show up at the interview, depending on how my hair was styled. Sometimes, I look black, sometimes I look foreign.
    After the 9/11 thing, it has been a little more difficult.

  38. Restructure! wrote:

    @Jay:

    Yet the assumption “english names = ability to speak english” is the story of my life, being born and raised in Canada. This study just confirmed to me that there is a systemic trend to the string of “anomalous” prejudices I’ve experienced throughout my life involving assumptions about my English ability (and where I am from) based on my non-English name. The perpetual foreigner stereotype is so ingrained in Canadian society that even white liberals and progressives often think that visible minority = immigrant.

    I’m just baffled that so many people here think that it’s mainly due to fear about mispronouncing names.

  39. sandeep wrote:

    well its definately alot to do with current events. we’ve got the wars, the terrorist headlines, and then the average joe has his run with “sandeep singh” and “wow hey that’s one of those terrorist folks isnt it?” bottom line is these people have very little positive to associate these names. blame it on the media hyping up the dark-skinned conflicts of the world while minimizing positive aspects of dark-skinned peoples. film stars, musicians, politicians, inventors, philanthropists. none of whoma re known to the average american, and in this case, canadian. instead, they can refer to their knowledge of terrorist incidents. “well there was the 01, and then the 03 and the … ” etc. this is their reference to brown skin tone, and south asian names.

    now ive heard folks in brown communities, sikhs, hindus, since those are the ones i travel in most, speaking out about how we arent doing enough. i find myself speaking those same words from time to time. the idea is brown people need to make an effort to educate others. its a bit of a weird thought, because if you try to get in detail on it, there’s no guides out there, no experts, just a grassroots movement to “get known”. which is quite vague and not very much to go on.

    but im glad you brought up native americans, because we’re living in a white dominated society today no doubt, and this is speaking from a global sense. at least looking back in history, the most recent empires have not been brown. india specifically had the british rule. so its not just that we’re from somewhere else, but i think there’s hints of this colonial rule’s viewpoints still being passed down from generation to generation mixed in with some of the more recent terrorst scare views. of course its preposterous to identify certain names in this case as foreign seeing as how in north america the ORIgiNAL population is largely gone and all that’s left are foreigners, if you want to do that date of demarkation of some sort. saying all before founding or whatever were foreigners? the point is canada like america is a country of perpetual immigrants. and while that will lend it to be more uniquely modeled and molded in the future you cant expect there wont be some growing pains. its up to us, brown skined folks living in the western world, to help catch up folks to the vibe that yes, skin and in this case name has no reflection upon grey matter. you’d hope the well educated out there’d catch on but these racial notions are addictively cemented into many folks brains. the best we can do is try and be as outgoing as possible, and that lets folks know how we think. of course being transparent can also invite unwanted negative attention, but that’s more or less just fate at the end of the day, we’re the new kids on the block, and we’re gonna get stared at, talked about, and eventually the hype’ll die down, we’ll be boring as the next guy, most of our interesting foreignness will be gone and it’ll be lef tto the racial nerds to carry the torch of rediculousness, whilst the rest of us move on and recognize the shared humanity of all skin- varieties, and yes, in this case, name-varieties too.

  40. Sobia wrote:

    @ Restructure:

    “I’m just baffled that so many people here think that it’s mainly due to fear about mispronouncing names.”

    Me too! Non-English name means not really a Canadian. It really has very, very little to do with being scared of mispronouncing someone’s name.

    This is racism people!

  41. c.n.edaw wrote:

    I think people got sidetracked by the very first poster’s comment which seemed to imply the inability to pronounce someone’s name was due to racism and disrespect to someone esle’s culture.

    I fully realize the article was intended to expose a much more insidious practice, but the mere fact that so many people think there’s a concerted effort on the part of most speakers to mispronounce ethnic names I think had to be addressed before the discussion could progress, but it may have been halted there instead.

    Certainly here in America, most of us are not all that linguistically gifted as some of the respondents seem to think. Most don’t even take a foreign language (if at all) until high school which makes the odds of mastering it considerably lower. I won’t even digress further into how many of us mangle the English language on a daily basis.

  42. Nicole M wrote:

    @Abu Sinan :

    I work on the design side of technology, and my experience is that our industry, in general, is a greater meritocracy than others. So someone’s name has very little if anything to do with whether there are hired — we are looking for skill sets first when reviewing resumes.

    That said, many tech/design companies often “hire for culture” — a practice which has been around since early tech days in the 90’s and was most recently popularized by Zappo’s. This has less to do with ethnic background than a much more nebulous sense of being a positive person, looking at problems as challenges, engaging with your team in a constructive way, having an amiable sense of humor etc.

    And yet, my workplace is predominantly white and Asian, because I see a lot more white and Asian designers applying. In eight years I have not seen one African-American or Visual or User Experience designer apply at any of the places I have worked. I have not seen one Middle Eastern designer apply, either. I’ve worked with only a few African-American technologists/engineers, but plenty of white, white European, Indian, Pakistani, Japanese, Chinese, and other Asian people. I do not believe that non-Asian POC had their resumes were trashed on the basis of their names, and I don’t know why this end of the industry doesn’t seem to attract more non-Asian POC.