David Carradine’s Legacy of Shame

by Guest Contributor (and regular commenter) Atlasien

David Carradine was found dead yesterday in a hotel room in Bangkok. The circumstances of his death are outrageously sensationalistic. I won’t go into any detail other than to remark that these circumstances have helped ensure a steady barrage of media coverage. Just now, tuning into NPR in my car, I heard part of a David Carradine interview, replayed to commemorate the occasion of his death.

He was a famous and much-loved actor. Tributes to Carradine are pouring in. In discussion threads devoted to Carradine, you’ll find many nostalgic accounts of childhood evenings spent watching his TV show, Kung Fu.

Some Asian-Americans, such as myself, may find these tributes quite upsetting.

I remind myself that David Carradine was an actor. He was doing a job for money. It’s difficult to draw a work/life dividing line when it comes to celebrity actors, but the line does exist. And I cannot presume to judge the moral worth of David Carradine’s life. He was a human being whose life is just as worthy of respect, just as precious, as the life of any other human being.

But I can judge his career. Fuck David Carradine’s godawful racist career!

For many Asian-Americans, tributes to Carradine’s careeer feel like a cold and bitter insult. Bruce Lee was originally considered for the lead in Kung Fu, but the producers decided America was not ready for an Asian man as a heroic lead. David Carradine was chosen instead. His character, Kwai Chang Caine, was supposed to be half-Chinese and half-white. All the rest of the characters reacted to him as if he were Asian, when he was quite obviously 100% white. This confused the hell out of me when I first saw the show. Once I realized he was supposed to be Asian, it made me angry.

Why did I watch it in the first place? Well, Kung Fu was a pretty good show. It was plotted and shot and edited skillfully. It touched on important philosophical and cultural themes. It was ground-breaking, unique, and had some of the only respectful depictions of Asian culture available on American television in the 1970s. What were the alternatives? The servile, scraping, Hop Sing on Bonanza? Minor characters on M.A.S.H.? A scattered assortment of cackling Fu Manchu-type villains? It would be hard for Asian-Americans not to want to watch Kung Fu. But every time we watched it, we were reminded that it was possible for white people to take the best of what they wanted from Asian culture. Asian culture was mysterious and cool, but real Asian people were unwanted and superfluous. They could easily be replaced by the right kind of white man. And nobody remarked about it, nobody complained… at least it seemed that way.

I was very young when I saw reruns of Kung Fu, but I caught on quickly, and began to dread the sight of David Carradine’s face. I still have some fond memories of sequences that didn’t involve Carradine, such as the training sequences set in China. Then I stopped watching the reruns because the experience became too painful. Sitting there and watching was like… offering your body up to be erased. It’s hard to explain.

Anyway, it was an ignominious start to a career, and it went downhill from there. Carradine milked Kung Fu for as long as possible, and when the milk ran dry, he just squeezed harder, until blood dripped out of the metaphorical udders. He even did a series of Kung Fu workout videos. Quentin Tarantino capitalized on Kung Fu nostalgia by casting Carradine in that pretentious faux-ironic Asiaphile crapfest, Kill Bill. And a few years ago, Carradine did a series of Kung Fu-inspired Yellowbook.com commercials. Get it? Yellow Book? Wink wink, nudge nudge, vomit. In 2009, the heavily yellowfaced Carradine had a role in Crank 2 as a lecherous Chinese gangster named “Poon Dong”. Wink wink… and so on.

I don’t blame David Carradine for all the anti-Asian racism in America. But he had an important and highly visible role in a vicious feedback loop. Audiences identified with his performance of a calm, detached, self-important masculinity seemingly grounded in an exotic Asian tradition. He satisfied certain urges of the audience in that regard, and as he performed, he innovated, and created new and more refined stereotypes with extra layers of self-awareness and sophistication. His performances also worked to naturalize the desire of white people to appropriate the aspects of Asian culture they happened to find most appealing.

In a better world, Bruce Lee would have gotten the lead role in Kung Fu. It would have been a truly great show, not a merely good one. David Carradine would have gone on to other projects, and perhaps he would have become a great and versatile actor, meeting new challenges and truly acting instead of being frozen in the same stale role for decades. He was a man of many diverse talents and could have found fulfillment and success in other realms as well. If I continue much longer in this morbid vein I’ll write a full-fledged alternate history obituary, so I’ll stop… although I would have liked to say more good things about David Carradine’s impact on the world. But in all honesty, the way his choices affected my life turned out to be very negative, and I wish it didn’t have to end like that.

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Comments

  1. Laurel wrote:

    This is far and away the best piece I’ve read about Carradine’s death yet.

    “Offering your body up to be erased” is brilliant. I don’t think it could have been put any better.

    Thanks.

  2. Yonah wrote:

    It’s hard to imagine people being stupid enough to pass up Bruce Lee… amazing. Great post (fave line: “But I can judge his career. Fuck David Carradine’s godawful racist career!”)

    I’ve only seen him in Kill Bill, which I liked, so I’m glad I never had to witness that emotionally conflicting racist gongshow that Kung Fu seems to have been.

  3. Celeste wrote:

    the NPR segment by someone remembering him and how cool he thought the series was really annoyed me. I wish someone would have said something about the yellowface. I remember watching it and wondering why he looked so white, too. Didn’t make sense to my 9 year-old mind. Wasn’t there a sequel series that same out later with him starring in the same role?

  4. TN wrote:

    I was very young about 4 years old or so when I first watched Kung Fu – why my parents let me watch such a show is a different topic altogether. I had no idea he was supposed to be Asian, I could see that he looked nothing like my family members and I hadn’t even begun school yet!

  5. Miztification wrote:

    Much of your post sums up exactly why I didn’t blog about David Carradine’s passing. I remember Kung Fu used to come on right after Soul Train. I never really got into it, and I could never really put my finger on it. Around the time of Brandon Lee’s passing, I found out that Bruce Lee was originally considered for the lead role in Kung Fu. After finding that out, I was never sorry that I had never watched a full episode. My dad used to watch it, but I don’t even think he can look at it in the same way now.

  6. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    As always, my blogging shero, amazing writing! And thank you, altasien, for verbalizing everything I felt about David Carradine’s career and its contribution to anti-Asian racism.

  7. Thea Lim wrote:

    Yes! I was watching the reports and thinking about how no one would report on the gross racism of Carradine’s career…thanks for proving me wrong Atlasien. I never watched Kung Fu (and only really learned about the history of Carradine’s career about a year ago) and I really appreciate your very thoughtful breakdown.

    Also, funny that he died in Southeast Asia. Urgh.

  8. N wrote:

    Thanks for the interesting and thought provoking blog.

  9. Miles Ellison wrote:

    Kung Fu is a sterling example of whitewashing. It set the template for a lot of racial absurdities in movies and television for the next several decades (shows and movies set in ethnically diverse areas with all white casts, the elimination of Asians from Avatar, The Last Airbender, the elimination of black people from the Baltimore of He’s Just Not That Into You, etc.)

  10. Talulah wrote:

    Yeah, you don’t want to hit a man when he’s down–or in this case, dead–but his career truly was reprehensible. Great post.

  11. Thom wrote:

    I recall seeing random episodes, but I have never felt a real attachment to the show. Is my momory off-or was the younger version of Kwai Chang Caine in the flashbacks portrayed by a young Asian boy?

    And yes, in 1992, there was a short lived Kung Fu: the Legend Continues with an older Carradine hanging out with his cop son fighting crime.

  12. Lyonside wrote:

    THANK YOU.

    I heard a commentary on my way home yesterday, on NPR, no less, that made me want to drive off the road (the opposite of a driveway moment, I guess. More of a “end it all” moment).

    The speaker was a Latino 40ish dude who loved Kung Fu as a teenager (saying it “guided him” through adolescence) and that he appreciated it even when as an adult he realized 1) Carradine was not Asian, not even a little, and 2) the faux-Buddhism and eastern philosophy was watered down and butchered for 1970s American TV.

    So much for brown solidarity, at least as far as that commentator was concerned. Me, I try to point out racism and bias whether it affects me directly or not. We’re all indirectly harmed when any culture or ethnic group, or any other subset of humanity, is dismissed, manipulated, or exploited.

  13. Fatemeh wrote:

    Best line ever: “Fuck David Carradine’s godawful racist career!”

  14. SepiaScreen wrote:

    @Miles Ellison–I’m with you. This is the type of history lesson that has to accounted over and over again every time this ish happens.

  15. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Great article! It’s always upsetting and offensive to see Hollywood choose actors who aren’t even of the same ethnic background of the characters. I believe the “Twilight” series is facing that problem too.

    I remember seeing the show (because it was on right after “Lois and Clark”), but I never really going into it. I remember questioning why Carradine’s character wasn’t Asian since he had an Asian name. I didn’t know Bruce Lee was originally considered for the role either. Wow, they really screwed things up.

  16. softestbullet wrote:

    It sounds like Kung Fu was terrible… and years later, Firefly was even worse. It sure didn’t give Asian actors any decent roles along with the appropriation.

    Progress!

  17. SepiaScreen wrote:

    I’m sorry. I meant “has to be accounted…” They just don’t know how munch pain that causes the psyche of POC, especially a child.

  18. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    What were the alternatives? How about “Hawaii Five-0″? Yes, the two lead characters were white, but most of the other characters were Asian or Hawaiian. If any show in network TV history has included more Asians, I’d like to know what it is.

    P.S. This would be a good topic for a future Racialicious posting.

  19. Monika wrote:

    But every time we watched it, we were reminded that it was possible for white people to take the best of what they wanted from Asian culture. Asian culture was mysterious and cool, but real Asian people were unwanted and superfluous. They could easily be replaced by the right kind of white man.

    AMEN. This is exactly what pisses me off. People use Buddha statues like garden gnomes and get nonsensical Chinese tattoos as a matter of aesthetics without really thinking about or acknowledging what it signifies. It’s so frustrating!!

  20. Tracey wrote:

    Really great post. I didn’t even know Carradine was not of any Asian descent until Kill Bill came out. The original Kung Fu series was before my time but I was a huge fan of Kung Fu:The Legend Continues . I thought Carradine’s character was meant to be 1/4 Asian-American. I doubt even at the age of six I could have believed any other conclusion.
    In Legend continues they introduced a Chinese-American actor in the role of The Ancient (and the all the stereotypes that name brings to mind). It took me a long time to realize just how racist that show was and the way it and the b.s. it perpetuated affected the way me and my playmates viewed the world (young grasshopper, Asian martial artists had super powers, Asia was a land of wisdom and “mysticism”).

  21. Sadface wrote:

    And yes, in 1992, there was a short lived Kung Fu: the Legend Continues with an older Carradine hanging out with his cop son fighting crime.

    I think I watched that one occasionally, but probably not the original. Did they tone down the Asian-ness for the second series? I don’t think I got the impression that Caine was Asian when I watched it way back as a little (white) girl. He seemed like a white man with an affinity to… kung fu… or maybe I misremember, both the portrayal and my own reactions to it.

    … and what gets me now is how much that picture of Caine looks like a grown-up version of movie!Aang. You wouldn’t think that decades lie between these two casting decisions… That’s just depressing.

  22. Evan wrote:

    Part of the reason why I don’t watch much TeeVee anymore is the stunning lack of racial and ethnic diversity. Most prime time shows have white lead actors centered around white families and white-dominated professions.

    The show “Kung Fu” came out in 1972. Bruce Lee got screwed out of the lead role in that show. Fast forward to 2009, I still can’t find a leading acting role played by an Asian-American. I think Margaret Cho had a prime time show in 1993 on the ABC network but the show was canceled after one season. There has been ZERO progress in Hollywood with regards to POC representation. What a fucking shame for America.

    btw…I only watch PBS because there is so much garbage on the network and cable channels.

  23. Persia wrote:

    Thanks for the post, you summed up my frustration nicely. I don’t like to speak ill of the dead, but fuck his career, indeed.

  24. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Great post Atlasien! I love how you exposed the racism and pain his career has caused in the ensuing years towards the representation (or lack thereof) of Asian influenced stories and characters by Hollywood. I never watched Kung Fu but its formula sounds unfortunately familiar (plant whites into Asian storylines). I notice alot of B-list martial arts movies (the direct to video stuff you find in the martial arts section of Blockbuster) has whites playing the main character martial arts superheros. Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal immediately come to mind; for a little diversity I remember movies depicting a white female martial artist as the main character, like Cynthia Rothrock. I don’t remember any Asian/Asian American actors playing as leads in these movies (even though they’re B list they do provide paychecks and some exposure).

    Question: Did Carradine’s character ever have a love interest in Kung Fu? If she was white then I suspect that was part of the reason for producers rejecting Bruce Lee.

  25. Miles Ellison wrote:

    The biggest reason for rejecting Bruce Lee was that ABC didn’t want a prime time show with an Asian lead, even though the main character of the show was Asian and Asian cultural themes were being explored. They must have figured that there would have been less racist hate mail if the lead role was played by a white guy pretending to be Chinese. Guess that made it more palatable to people who liked Asian culture but not Asian people.

    Kung Fu was similar to the popularization of Rock and Roll in that something that was exotic, underground, and outside the mainstream had to be given a white face. The dynamic in America has always been to separate the culture of non-white people, which white Americans like, from non-white people, who white Americas generally marginalize.

  26. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    This was very nicely written. Vast amounts of Carradine’s career was wince inducing and that shouldn’t be forgotten.

    Interestingly, Warren Beatty was actually Tarantino’s original choice for Bill.

  27. Titanis walleri wrote:

    “AMEN. This is exactly what pisses me off. People use Buddha statues like garden gnomes and get nonsensical Chinese tattoos as a matter of aesthetics without really thinking about or acknowledging what it signifies. It’s so frustrating!!”
    Although that sort of thing, at least, goes both ways…

  28. JaySBee wrote:

    Sorry to break formation here, but as someone who was actually OLD enough to see the show “Kung Fu”, I can’t blame Carradine for playing a part (and playing it WELL) that was offered to him. The suits at the networks didn’t have the stones to cast Asians, that is true (amazing that the author of this blog didn’t research enough to know how deeply Bruce Lee was ACTUALLY cut by this series), but I don’t blame Carradine and the series offered a WEALTH of good roles to Asian actors- recurring, positive roles. PLUS the fact that it was blatantly said- often- on the show that Kain was half white and raised in China so he belonged to NEITHER world, making him an outsider everywhere.

    It may have bothered people that a half White character looked completely White, but that actually happens. People who are mixed ethnicity often look completely one colour or the other. Ask Rashida Jones, Tiger Woods, Hallie Berry, Wentworth Miller or hundreds of thousands of others. My brother-in law is half Thai and half White. He looks completely White. His wife (my step-sister)is Thai. Their kids STILL look White to me. As a Black man I only see them all as one thing: family.

    To be offeneded by the aspect of mixed race is a form of bigotry in and of itself. I can’t fly with that. Sorry.

    The only merit in his article was about that last movie Carradine did. THAT was reprehensible if it’s true and I am glad I was spared watching it.

    The show “Kung Fu” may have watered down Asian culture, but it at least introduced it to a biggotted nation (something that has YET to happen with African culture- even watered down. No sour grapes intended. Just a fact). It offered a TON of non-”Hop Sing” roles to Asian actors. And by everyone’s admission, it was actually GOOD.

    Be angry at a lot of things, but one actors career because he took one plum role from Asian actors when it was re-written to allow for mixed race? That seems a bit trite. Better to decry the fact that there still aren’t good roles for Asians or that Asians are treated as “interchangeable” (look at Star Trek. Last I heard, Sulu was JAPANESE).

  29. Nadra wrote:

    An interesting tidbit is that David Carradine played the father of Brandon Lee in 1986’s “Kung Fu: The Movie.” Brandon was Bruce Lee’s son.

  30. B. Canseco wrote:

    In a better world, Bruce Lee would have gotten the lead role in Kung Fu.
    =======
    Some of you guys are too young to know this, but Bruce Lee actually developed the story concept for “Kung Fu” but once the show got sold and went into production, Bruce Lee was ultimately rejected for the lead role because his accent was deemed “too heavy” by hollywood producers. And because Lee wanted to stick to his original vision for the show which would’ve had more diversity and honesty in the portrayal of chinese culture and martial arts.

    true story.

    Oh, what could have been…

  31. Lyonside wrote:

    Way to miss the point, JaySBee:

    Carradine was just an actor. Fine. But he is best known for his roles that reinforce institutional racism (on the part of TV execs, ad agencies, and the American public) that disenfranchise Asian and Asian-American actors.

    There’s nothing wrong in pointing that out.

  32. Eathan wrote:

    Nicely said. I loved the show.. and always wondered why there wasn’t a true asian for the lead part.

  33. N wrote:

    @JaySBee

    The problem wasn’t that the character looked white, it was that there was a white actor playing the part. Just like Jessica Alba played an African American girl in Honey. Just like all of the tragic mulattas played by white actresses in Imitation of Life and Pinky etc..

    If there were no Asian actors or if there were no mixed race actors, that’s one thing. But that was not the case.

  34. atlasien wrote:

    @JaySBee: I appreciate your dissenting voice, but you’re wrong on quite a few points.

    “The show “Kung Fu” may have watered down Asian culture, but it at least introduced it to a biggotted nation (something that has YET to happen with African culture- even watered down. No sour grapes intended. Just a fact).”

    Ahem… Shaka Zulu? That had its own problems, but it presents an interesting parallel.

    “It may have bothered people that a half White character looked completely White, but that actually happens. ”

    Of course it’s possible for a half-white half-Asian person to look much more white than Asian. But that wasn’t my point. David Carradine doesn’t look Asian or hapa at all, but everyone in the show reacted to him as if he looked Asian. Even discounting the terrible prospects for Asian-American actors at the time, and judging solely by genetic percentages, Bruce Lee was a better choice anyway… he was 1/4 white.

    “PLUS the fact that it was blatantly said- often- on the show that Kain was half white and raised in China so he belonged to NEITHER world, making him an outsider everywhere.”

    In other words, the show didn’t just appropriate the experiences of Asian people… it also appropriated the experiences of multiracial people! That’s not an excuse; that’s actually an added insult.

    Also, I personally don’t care who plays an Asian-American role, as long as an underrepresented Asian-American actor actually gets the part. I know this bothers a lot of other people, but I always have to break ranks in this regard. A Korean-American playing a Japanese-American role doesn’t bother me any more than an Italian-American playing a German-American role.

    And one of the very reasons that there aren’t many good roles for Asians — especially for heroic male leads — is the dynamic established by Kung Fu.

    Finally, I never said that the show wasn’t good, or that there was no redeeming reason to watch it. Something like that can be “good”, and damaging, and painful and terrible all at the same time.

    @everyone else: thanks for the compliments! I tried really hard to be brutally honest without also being ghoulish. I have to admit, it felt cathartic getting this piece written.

  35. Laurel wrote:

    JaySBee, I’m old enough to remember the original Kung Fu. And if you think that was the worst role Carradine played, you didn’t read the entire post. Or did “Poon Dong” not strike you as offensive?

    Introducing an _inaccurate_ version of Asian culture into only encourages stereotypes. Do sports teams with names like Redskins and Braves help end bigotry against Native Americans? No. Most Americans think all “Indians” exist in the past, where they hunt buffalo and wear feather headdresses no matter what nation they are. It _does_ matter whether or not we “get it right.”

    Re: a Korean playing Sulu, George Takei gave his blessing, saying he always considered Sulu to represent all Asians. If what I’ve read is correct, Sulu is not even a Japanese name. (The in/ appropriateness of all this is not something I feel qualified to comment on.)

    It’s not the mixed race aspect of Kane per se that bothers me. it’s the fact that a role written for a Chinese actor was given to a 100 per cent white man and then tweaked to fit because nobody would buy Carradine as fully Chinese. I’m almost absolutely sure Kane was not originally written as a mixed race character.

    I am also puzzled by your notion that people cannot both be upset by Carradine’s getting a role Bruce Lee should have had and also bring attention to the lack of good Asian roles. They don’t seem mutually exclusive to me.

  36. Genevieve wrote:

    “Sitting there and watching was like… offering your body up to be erased.”

    I love this line.

    I was never really impressed by David Carradine the very few times I’ve watched Kung Fu– the only thing I even really remember from the show was the Shaolin monks branding themselves in their exercises. I suspect I didn’t watch more of the show because my dad’s a hardcore Bruce Lee purist (and my passion for Chinese history/culture from a young age!) .

    To be fair, not being in Kung Fu freed Bruce Lee up for other work, so there’s that silver lining, I guess.

  37. Msiri wrote:

    Bruce Lee was in on the creation of the Kung Fu show and was rejected to star in a vehicle he had created. It was probably the best thing that happened to him because he went to Hong Kong and became and International Superstar.

  38. Mary wrote:

    I never watched Kung Fu and only knew of Carradine from the Kill Bill movies, so this discussion has been very good to read.

    Re: a Korean playing Sulu, George Takei gave his blessing, saying he always considered Sulu to represent all Asians. If what I’ve read is correct, Sulu is not even a Japanese name.

    Yes, although the actor was originally Japanese-American, a “pan-Asian” character was Gene Roddenberry’s conceptualization (for better or worse).

    “Suru” is an all-purpose verb in Japanese and would be an odd-sounding surname. In fact, I once read an interview where George Takei mentioned they had changed the name when Trek episodes aired in Japan.

  39. slamguy wrote:

    “I know this bothers a lot of other people, but I always have to break ranks in this regard. A Korean-American playing a Japanese-American role doesn’t bother me any more than an Italian-American playing a German-”

    ………So all east asians look the same to you?

  40. TB wrote:

    So does that mean Latinos should curse Lou Diamond Phillips for his Mexican roles? Or maybe Arabic people should go after Antonio Banderas for his role in the 13th Warrior. Carradine was just another actor in a Hollywood system that has little regard for minorities in general.

    If there wasn’t a David Carradine, there’d be some other guy to act in Kung Fu. And to be honest, I’ve seen a hell of a lot more offensive roles in the present than a half asian monk who kicks the asses of ignorant white people.

    That doesn’t mean we should all go out
    and take out our insecurities and frustrations about American racial attitudes on the memories of each of these actors when they die. Because that’s what the writer seems to be doing here.

    Life isn’t always fair. And we shouldn’t be silent when it’s not. But I don’t see the value in a personal attack on the deceased, when it’s the system that’s at fault.

  41. atlasien wrote:

    @slamguy: umm… when it comes physical features denoting ethnicity… yes we do “look the same”. And it’s not just me. In fact, earlier today a Chinese woman asked me if I was Korean (I’m Japanese-American).

    East Asians can be labeled by ethnicity based on cultural cues but not on physical features… anyone who claims to be able to “tell Asians apart” by ethnicity with 100% accuracy is full of it.

    In fact, the idea that you can “tell Asians apart” that way is deeply racist and has roots in WWII propaganda such as booklets that gave hints on how to tell the “good Chinese” apart from the “bad Japanese” (e.g. bowlegs, buckteeth).

    Then again, there’s another meaning of “telling people apart”: the ability to separately recognize individuals. That’s something totally different. The two meanings are totally different but often get confused.

  42. Dee Galloway wrote:

    Sitting there and watching was like… offering your body up to be erased. It’s hard to explain.

    No, I’d say that explains it just fine.

    @TB:

    That doesn’t mean we should all go out and take out our insecurities and frustrations about American racial attitudes on the memories of each of these actors when they die. Because that’s what the writer seems to be doing here.

    No, that is NOT what the writer seems to be doing here. Atlasien seems to be saying:

    I don’t blame David Carradine for all the anti-Asian racism in America. But he had an important and highly visible role in a vicious feedback loop.

    If Atlasien “seems” to be doing anything it is dissing an eminently diss-able career rooted entirely in white privilege. There should be a line forming to the right…

  43. Jason Chaotic wrote:

    Lee’s response to not getting the lead role was: “I didn’t like not getting the part but I understood it. If a foreign (white) actor came to Hong Kong and tried to get a lead in a show or movie, there would be the same skepticism and hesitancy” he pined for it for its unusual role (mixing kung fu in a western setting) but ultimately didn’t bother him much.

    I thought Kill Bill succckkkkkeeeedddddd it.

  44. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    “Or maybe Arabic people should go after Antonio Banderas for his role in the 13th Warrior.”

    Not wanting to derail here, but I am tired of the fact that Arabs vary widely in appearance being used to cast non Arab actors.

    The House of Saddam was excellent, but it used a Greek, Indian and even a White Australian, to play Arab characters.

    Syriana also had a few non Arabs playing Arab characters.

    Ditto West Bank Story where the lead actress was obviously Desi.

    This is a bad thing, because if you can’t even be bothered getting the right people to play the parts, then what else are you getting wrong?

  45. jd wrote:

    @slamguy – everything atlasien said, but also your comparison totally contradicts your accusation. There are absolutely differences between the stereotypical appearance of Germans and Italians. They’re based on real differences in average height, hair color, eye color, body type, etc. but each population has enough variation that nobody can sort the two groups out with 100% accuracy.

  46. Michelle wrote:

    Everyone else has said it, but I will say it again, great post!

    I am not Asian, but don’t think it is a “bad” thing for a Korean to play a Japanese character. I am an actress in Hollywood and so are some of my best friends. My friend, who happens to be Chinese, would be out of a lot auditions if there was a rule against Chinese women playing Korean women, especially when you throw in the American hyphenate. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough roles for actors to be shut out to that degree. I don’t have a problem with Sheryl Lee Ralph (Caribbean American) playing African American roles. Or actresses from Texas playing beloved English roses.

    That said, Atlasien, you are extremely brilliant, but I can’t co-sign on the Shaka Zulu, dude. No way, no how. The biggest problem is that is was a mini series! A British produced mini series, so the point still stands that American TV has yet to take on Africa! You would have done better by using Roots to prove your point, and even then, it was a mini series. Actually, I take that back. “The Number One Ladies Detective Agency” (even though it is on cable)! And if you think that Kung Fu hurt your feelings, try being a little dark Black Afro’ed child going to school after Shaka Zulu aired!

    Lastly, I don’t know how true this is, but many people who knew David Carradine have been very outspoken about how bad he felt for his body of work being indicative of such racist ideology. They were very quick to point out that he felt bad and very conflicted for the majority of his career. However, your post is still dead on about the responsibility that still falls on the shoulders of the actor. Their choices will still have an impact, even if the choices are hard or impossible.

  47. Fiqah wrote:

    @TB: I hate to be THAT chick – but, just like Americans aren’t English, Arabs aren’t Arabic (or even necessarily Arabian, as in hailing from the Arabian peninsula).

    Apologies for the smart-aleckry. U.S. media coverage of Obama speeches has got me heffed up on semantics sauce.

  48. slamguy wrote:

    “@slamguy: umm… when it comes physical features denoting ethnicity… yes we do “look the same”. And it’s not just me. In fact, earlier today a Chinese woman asked me if I was Korean (I’m Japanese-American)”…………………….I was just shocked to see someone on a site like this write that. I thought it was a politically incorrect statement, so kudos to you for telling it like it is.

  49. Barbara wrote:

    Great post! And great “Fuck is racism career” line. The best I was able to say earlier today was “He stole the lead in Kung Fu from Bruce Lee and then pretended to be Asian his whole career, and I’m still bitter about that.”

    Y’know, it’s far past the “he did/did not look Asian”; the question I have is, what did he ever give to the Asian community, after taking so much from it?

    And as far as Asians on TV in that era goes: Don’t forget Sam (Robert Ito, I think) on Quincy. I remember that we watched every show on TV that even hinted at having Asian-American actors, even if we hated it.

  50. JaySBee wrote:

    I’m only going to argue with two posts here, mainly because this is an argument of opinions and therefore at least a bit fruitless:

    @ Atlasien: I appreciate your writing style and your anger. I just don’t agree with you. To bring up Shaka Zulu (a man who has been portayed in MOVIES and possibly a mini-series that I never saw) does more to prove my point than yours, here. “Kung Fu” watered down Chinese culture and presented it to Americans for YEARS, not for one movie. At least that happened. It has never, ever happened for Africans. I don’t resent that. I’m just pointing it out. And as for people who are “part White” or “Part Black” or “Part Asian” looking MOSTLY one ethnicity or the other, yes that happens. The people I mentionned however don’t even look a BIT of another race. Wentworth Miller and Rashida Jones look White and play White roles, typically. No one would know Hallie Berry was half White without the press saying it. I grew up in a partially Thai household and had no idea Tiger Woods was half Thai until I heard about it in the press.
    Does it suck that Carradine was given a role that was origionally Chinese? HELL yeah, but it was absolutely believable to me that he looked completely White when he wasn’t supposed to be because it HAPPENS. Often. And It was equally believable that people would treat him as Chinese when he looked White in the 1800’s South. Hearing him speak would be enough. The 1800’s American South was pretty obsessed with race and ostracism. Hey, 1970’s American South was, too.
    And can we PLEASE not gloss over the fact that many Asian actors got work from this show? Please? Even if we don’t, why should Carradine be some form of effigy? He was just the actor who took the job. The jerks who stole it from Bruce Lee who DEVELOPED the show (thanks for knowing that one, B. Canseco. that was the “research” I talked about in my post) are the villians here. Not David Carradine.
    @ Laurel:
    I mentionned “Poon Dong” in my post. I called it “reprehensible if… true” because I never SAW the movie. I did read Atlasien’s full post. I must say from your response I believe I cannot say the same thing in respect of you reading MINE in its entirety.

    Lastly, I don’t disagree with the sentiment of Atlasien’s post, I disagree with the TARGET. If Carradine had created the show or had anything significant to do with the casting or scripts he would deserve to have some negative eulogy. He didn’t.

    Shooting into a crowd is not the answer. Aim at the real target- the Hollywood system that still exists in all its short-cuts and bigotry. Carradine was part of the crowd. (Poon Dong aside).

  51. more cowbell wrote:

    Just wanted to say this was excellent.

  52. CDF wrote:

    Interesting dialogue going on here. Good piece, by the way…

  53. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    re: (41)atlasien

    Agreed. I’ve been mistaken for Japanese by Japanese, Chinese by Chinese, Indonesian by Indonesians and Filipino by Filipinos, amongst other groups. I don’t think that it’s because all Asians look the same, but rather, we can all vary so much in appearance that it’s hard to say what we have in common outside of (and even in this case, not necessarily) black (or near black) hair and brown eyes. Even though there are other physical features we frequently do share, I find these difficult to verbalize.

    And even then, there are edges where I even confuse some East/Southeast Asians, Native Americans and Latin@s. Consequently, I’ve just given up guessing or assuming anyone’s ethnic background until it’s volunteered. Sometimes I’ll be able to pick out an East Asian via contextual clues, but these clues almost exclusively apply to immigrants or tourists and not American-born non-TCK Asians.

  54. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    “…immigrants or tourists and not American-born non-TCK Asians.” I should also state that these non-physical contextual clues are also inapplicable to Asians who have grown up in the US.

    @atlasien: Thanks for having the guts to write this piece. I was considering writing myself about Carradine after hearing word about his death, but I found it very difficult to be respectful when writing about it.

    But you helped me to find what I wanted to say: I don’t hate the man, but the body of work he has left behind has impacted me in a largely negative way. It would’ve been one thing if after Kung Fu, he moved onto other things, but the problem I have with his work, is that he still often took work resembling his previous role. How much it was the fault of the man or the system that perpetually typecast him, I can’t say, but it’s a body of work that I cannot respect.

    Nevertheless, may he rest in peace.

  55. Kimee wrote:

    I heard that Bruce Lee had actually been cast in the lead role in Kung Fu, but then had the role stolen right from under him.
    One correction, however: David Carradine is not 100% white, as so many bloggers have assumed. According to Wikepedia, at least, he is part Cherokee.

  56. jstele wrote:

    It’s not racist to say that ethnic groups look different. Of course, it would be hard to be 100% accurate in saying who is Korean, Japanese, etc. But there are certain features that dominate within an ethnic group. For example, a lot of Japanese people have angular features. It’s not a judgment, just an observation. If you’ve been around a lot of different Asians, then you would be able to tell with good accuracy the ethnicity of an individual.

  57. stephen wrote:

    Carradine was not 100% white. He was part Cherokee. An ethnic group that happens to be closer to Asian than European. Perhaps that is why he looked mixed race to some people.

    I live in Asia and you still see movies in which Europeans are played by Asians with their hair dyed red. Carradine looked more convincing as an Asian.

    Mind you it’s only acting. Usually bad acting: a criticism I would also make of Carradine.

  58. Jha wrote:

    I remember watching Kung Fu as a kid during the 90’s. I don’t remember what I thought of it, but later on, when I did, I thought to myself, “but we Asians don’t actually act like that…”

    Granted, I grew up in Asia, so that might account for my lack of fury at the erasure. =/

    Great article, btw. Brings up a lot of discussions well worth having.

  59. ztastz wrote:

    @TB

    I agree.

    Carradine was a decent enough actor and I’m sure he wanted to be known for different roles other than Kwai Chang Caine, but he was never quite able to move past that “iconic” role. Carradine was typecast big time. I think cursing Carradine’s career is cruel because he was an actor who never had the juice to change his standing in Hollywood.

    Why fault a (after Kill Bill) B-list actor when it’s the racist, money-grubbing bastards running the studios that dictate what really happens in Hollywood?

  60. Natalie wrote:

    Great post. I never watched Kung Fu, but I’ve been trying to articulate to a friend why I am seemingly alone (in real life, not on progressive sides of the internet) in being disturbed by Firefly. I think a lot of this argument transfers.

    Asia without Asians just sounds like creepy ethnic cleansing to me.

  61. Laurel wrote:

    JaySBee–Hoist by my own reading comprehension petard! I beg your pardon.

    Carradine’s IMDb page does mention the role and film.

    Apologies again,
    Laurel

  62. Neville A. Ross wrote:

    Okay, for the record, here’s what really happened vis-a-vis Carradine’s casting in Kung-Fu:

    In her memoirs, Bruce Lee’s widow, Linda Lee Cadwell, asserts that Lee actually created the concept for the series, which was then stolen by Warner Bros. However, there is no verifiable documentation of such an incident, and Herbie Pilato, in his 1993 book The Kung Fu Book of Caine: The Complete Guide to TV’s First Mystical Eastern Western, commented on the casting history for the series, particularly on the involvement of both Carradine and Bruce Lee:

    Before the filming of the Kung Fu TV movie began, there was some discussion as to whether or not an Asian actor should play Kwai Chang Caine. Bruce Lee was considered for the role. In 1971, Bruce Lee wasn’t the cult film hero he later became for his roles in Fists of Fury (1971), Enter the Dragon (1973), and Game of Death (1978). At that point he was best known as Kato on TV’s Green Hornet (1966–1967) (Kung Fu guest actor Robert Ito reports that Lee hated the role of Kato because he “thought it was so subservient”). “In my eyes and in the eyes of Jerry Thorpe,” says Harvey Frand, “David Carradine was always our first choice to play Caine. But there was some disagreement because the network was interested in a more muscular actor and the studio was interested in getting Bruce Lee.” Frand says Lee wouldn’t have really been appropriate for the series — despite the fact that he went on to considerable success in the martial arts film world. The Kung Fu show needed a serene person, and Carradine was more appropriate for the role. Ed Spielman agrees: “I liked David in the part. One of Japan’s foremost Karate champions used to say that the only qualification that was needed to be trained in the martial arts was that you had to know how to dance. And on top of being an accomplished athlete and actor, David could dance.” Nonetheless, grumbling from the Asian community would have made sense, given the fact that major roles for Asian actors were almost nonexistent. James Hong, an actor on the show and ex-president of the Association of Asian/Pacific American Artists (AAPAA) says that at the time Asian actors felt that “if they were going to do a so-called Asian hero on Kung Fu, then why don’t they hire an Asian actor to play the lead? But then the show went on, we realized that it was a great source of employment for the Asian acting community.” In fact, Hong says, Carradine had a good relationship with the Asian community. (pages 32–33)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series)

  63. Ed wrote:

    Thought provoking article and wonderful banter in the comments.

    I am white, born in the late 50s. The TV show never made any sense to me so far as Carradine’s role went. Can’t say I completely agree with applying anger to him directly, but it is not my place to say.

    I find the idea of appearance and ethnicity interesting. I have been mistaken for being Mexican, Italian, etc. I would venture a guess that anyone that travelled Europe for the first time would have a difficult time finding ubiquitous features.

    Within a thousand generations or so my genes have been from the Asian Steppe all the way to Ireland. As a 10th generation American immigrant, I have more than a dozen “ethnicities” in my makeup.

    I would guess that same can be said of virtually any human being on this planet.

    I see all of us as Americans first. What I want to see die soon is the idea that American = white.

  64. DaisyDeadhead wrote:

    I actually loved David Carradine for his cheesy movies (Death Race 2000! Yes, I admit it!!!!) as much as Kung Fu, but thanks for writing this. I adored Bruce Lee, and also wish he would have been in the role!

    I figured they wanted the (presumed white) audience to “identify” with Caine, so made him (supposedly) “half Chinese” (my mother used to laugh her ass off at that, since she grew up with his father, John Carradine, who was in GRAPES OF WRATH) … to get us to be “on his side”. That speaks volumes, and I was aware of this at the time, actually. (My mother’s laughter rang in my ears, and we had a long conversation about why they didn’t cast a real Chinese person.)

    As hippie-kids, we loved it that Caine could kick redneck ass, to us he was a hippie “walking the earth” (as Samuel L Jackson so memorably put it) and we loved him for being one of us. Carradine was of course a famous pot smoking hippie too–his presence on TV meant that you could be an unconventional person and still have success as an actor/doing what you wanted. (Not necessarily true, as you pointed out–he was then typecast forever, but we didn’t know that as teenagers.)

    Also, make no mistake, at the time KUNG FU was considered anti-Christian and many parents would not allow their children to watch it for this reason. Us cool kids demarcated ourselves by watching it and loudly discussing it. We would repeat the lines in school all week long! (On my blog, the line I chose as my title (”What happens is already written”) is one such line that we repeated over and over…

    And thanks for a great post.

  65. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    @jstele(56): “If you’ve been around a lot of different Asians, then you would be able to tell with good accuracy the ethnicity of an individual.”

    I’d strongly contest this statement. If you somehow have keenly developed an Asian-sorter that I lack, then so be it, but I’ve lived my whole life well immersed in the Asian American community and spent a considerable amount of time in Asia. Neither I, nor, it appears, the Asian American community, nor even the East Asian general populace appear to be able to pick out who is what ethnicity from just looking at physical features. The only tool that I’ve seen successfully used to differentiate are cultural cues.

    This is especially noticeable in that second generation cross-ethnics in any Asian country are usually read as members of their local populace unless they also exhibit cultural dissonance or self-identify themselves. Goryo people in China, Zainichi in Japan, and Ethnic Chinese born or raised in Corea/Japan often end up blending into society, especially if they adopt local language names.

  66. MK wrote:

    @JaySBee I did not get the impression that Atlasien was attacking David Carradine himself by any means, but rather scrutinizing how his acting roles, particularly in the series “Kung Fu,” negatively contributed to Americans’ understanding of Asian culture. Criticizing the man’s career is not the same as criticizing the man. Atlasien explicitly pointed this out, and that “Kung Fu” did have redeeming attributes. We can acknowledge the good while examining the bad.

    I am critical of Carradine’s career because he is part of a long, ongoing tradition of yellowface in American film and television. If this were the exception, if he were an anomaly, perhaps I would be less critical. But his roles reinforced the acceptability of cultural appropriation and racist attitudes towards Asians.

  67. Jessica Yee wrote:

    Yeah – I’m pretty sure I’ve heard a few places that David Carradine is also of Cherokee descent (not full-blooded, and yes he might be just a smidgen) – to add the mix of Native people who are cast in non-Native roles and vice-versa because we sorta “look like that”.

  68. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    I think Caine had a few romantic interests over the series. I don’t know if they were white or Asian. I’m pretty sure they didn’t last more than one episode.

    I thought Carradine was borderline plausible as someone who was half Chinese. Ideally, of course, the part would’ve gone to a Chinese actor. But the “Kung Fu” book is right that Bruce Lee would’ve been wrong for the role of the serene, nonthreatening monk. Caine would’ve been a different character with Lee playing him.

    As I always say when I discuss non-Native actors playing Native roles, I don’t blame the actors for taking the roles. I blame the studios for giving it to them. But we can blame Carradine for milking “Kung Fu” as long as possible. At some point it seems this veered into racist exploitation.

    Incidentally, Roddenberry may have intended Sulu to be pan-Asian, but everything I’ve seen and read indicates he was Japanese. Despite the fact that his last name is Filipino–derived from the Sulu Sea. However, Wikipedia asserts that “the fictional character Hikaru Sulu was born in San Francisco, to Japanese and Filipino parents.” I’ve never heard the part about Filipino parents and don’t know where it came from.

  69. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Ethnicity is very hard to judge. If you think you’re good at it, I suggest you take the test here:

    http://alllooksame.com/

  70. Fei Hu wrote:

    [i]Kung Fu[/i] was to me just the extension of the Charlie Chan or Fu Manchu films of the 1930 and 1940’s. Using Westerners to portray Easterners but by 1970 this was no longer a necessity, if it ever was. There were already a number of Asian actors who could have filled the bill. But i would go one step further. I would not have cast Bruce Lee. Why? Because the character was “Hapa” (Half Asian and half Westerner). At that point there were plenty of “Hapa” actors working in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Japan not to mention Hawaii who would have been right for the role. But at that time and even today the “Hapa” get flak from both sides of the racial divide. Being the father in a family of “Hapa” children I have to say that this very distinct ethnic group deserved then and deserves now a chance and should not be looked upon as anything less that equal in any society. Alas, though it is improving the situation is far from satisfactory.

  71. Mary wrote:

    Incidentally, Roddenberry may have intended Sulu to be pan-Asian, but everything I’ve seen and read indicates he was Japanese.

    Can you be more specific about “everything you’ve seen and read”? Both Roddenberry and George Takei have gone on record saying that Sulu was not solely Japanese, so it’s not an unreasonable take on the character (or I should say, the intent of the character).

  72. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    A video for those who have never seen “Kung Fu”:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x281eb_kungfu-david-carradine-kungfu_shortfilms

  73. Honest U.S. Marine wrote:

    I am not here to lecture anyone or fan the flames on anti-Asian racism. I am not here to fight with “Neville A. Ross.” I am compelled to post a comment on this Weblog entry to counter racism, racism denial and revised history:

    Anti-Asian racism still exist in Hollywood. Period!

    David Carradine’s death has afforded anti-racism advocates the opportunity to raise awareness about four types of the worst societal menaces which plagued humanity… a racist, a racism denier, a holocaust denier, and a rogue history revisionist.

    Here’s the facts: Kung Fu TV series was made for a predominantly white TV audience, most of whom were not ready for a genuine Chinese actor like Bruce Lee in the 1970s. Or, at least that what Hollywood thought at the time.

    The late prolific actor James Coburn, Bruce Lee’s former student/training partner, was right: anti-Asian stymied Lee’s chances in Hollywood.

    Coburn had warned Lee about the racist side of Hollywood. Moreover, Coburn told Lee that going back to Hong Kong was a better starting place where Chinese actors and actresses can practice the acting craft on a “leveled ground.”

    Coburn “squared” Lee on how the late Chinese actor can be a box office sensation without going through the racist Hollywood system, resulting in box office hits like The Big Boss, Fist of Fury, Way of the Dragon, Game of Death and Enter the Dragon.

    Ironically, Lee’s success spawned the martial arts movement in the 1970s and the 1980’s. Also, he inspired Hollywood to produce films for the martial arts and bad boy subcultures. Later, the “great white hopes” like Chuck Norris, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steven Seagal, Bruce Willis, Dolph Lundgren, Jean-Claude Van Damme, and Sylvester Stallone. Each man were action heroes; however, Chinese legends like Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan are deemed to be on the “level” as the aforementioned Hollywood legends.

    The truth is movie and TV characters like Hop Sing, Charlie Chan, Kato and “number one son” are prime examples of anti-Asian racism. If we don’t combat and neutralize racism, we all lose. Period!

    I had actually read and have recently re-read Herbert James Pilato’s 1993 book. Although its “good reading,” it is not “prolific reading.” The book is full of errors, misquotes and omissions.

    But I digress…

    To prove the existence of anti-Asian racism in Hollywood, just research credible sources from which you can find the truth: Read past interviews (if they are still available) with Bruce Lee’s advocates like James Cobain, Steve McQueen, Chuck Norris, Taky Kimura, George Lazenby, Dan Inosanto, Peter Chin, and his brother, and Robert Lee (Lee’s brother).

    On July 31, 1973, Bruce Lee’s aforementioned advocates were Lee’s pallbearers at the late actor’s funeral. These men know the forbidden secrets that Pilato’s book doesn’t even disclose.

    I posted this comment to counter racism, racism denial and revised history. Whether intentional or not, the assertions of “Neville A. Ross” must be challenged and back by facts… not passages “conveniently lifted” from a greatly flawed book like The Kung Fu Book of Caine: The Complete Guide to TV’s First Mystical Eastern Western.

    I realize some of James Coburn’s old recorded interviews are no longer available; however, the truth is still obvious: anti-Asian racism still exist in America and in Hollywood.

  74. Honest U.S. Marine wrote:

    I meant to post the following statment:

    “The late prolific actor James Coburn, Bruce Lee’s former student/training partner, was right: anti-Asian racism stymied Lee’s chances in Hollywood.”

    Thank you very much for affording me the opportunity to amend my comment.

  75. Ginger wrote:

    I actually ended up here by searching for David Carradine Asian? I grew up watching him and I hate to say this but I thought he was Asian. Or at least a little bit. And I didn’t know for sure until reading your article just now. Pretty scrary. Stupid too. Actually, it’s insane. I can totally understand why his casting upset the Asian community. Reminds me of the 1920-30s actors in black face. But times have changed and this sort of thing just doesn’t happen anymore. I think you need to give Carradine a break. He was an actor looking to make a living. This was a great opportunity for him and he did introduce the rest of us to Asian culture. I remember thinking how exotic it all was. What he did he did well. He’s gone now and I think you should respect the dead and his family. He’s not to blame. Peace

  76. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    I’ve seen every appearance of Sulu on-screen and read a hundred or more ST:TOS novels, most of the “making of” and biographical books, and many comic books.

    “The Making of Star Trek” (1968) by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry gives this official biography of Sulu:

    “Although of mixed Oriental and Filipino background, Sulu’s cultural heritage is mainly Japanese, and he finds himself drawn to the samurai concept as a philosophy.”

    With that in mind, the real question is how Sulu was portrayed, not what Roddenberry and Takei thought. Other than the above, I haven’t seen or heard anything that suggested Sulu had a Chinese, Korean, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, or Laotian heritage. All the implicit and explicit references have indicated he’s Japanese.

  77. T-Boy wrote:

    My essential problem with Kung Fu and David Carradine has nothing to do with the fact that he played a role in white-washing Asian portrayals for a long while.

    To me, he was the first guy to play a character that, while still a stereotype, was a better stereotype than, say, Charlie Chan or Fu Manchu.

    He was not the best first step, but he was a good first step. He made it possible for people to stop looking at you as the Yellow Menace and start looking for Far Eastern wisdom.

    But that’s not my problem. Or, actually, it is, partly. But not my whole issue.

    My whole issue is that for over thirty years, when you say “Asian”, first picture that pops up is someone from the Far East.

    It’s better now; now we have Mohinder Suresh and those call-center people. Lots of desi love, like Kumar, don’t you know, ha ha!

    Just not us, though. Not the South East Asians. You know, the ones who live in the country that David Carradine died in.

    The ones whom some of you keep mistaking as Mexican.

    There is this possibility that I might be a bit bitter about it. Just a bit.

  78. Brothel Poet wrote:

    As a frequent reader and commentor on racilicious, I have to say this was one of the most moving pieces yet. I am black, but I also began to realize at some point that David Carradine was not Asian. And it pissed me off. It’s upsetting to all people of color when the actual hiring of a role for a person of color is seen as some sort of offense. My self esteem dropped for some reason when I learned as a young person that the kung fu guy was really white. Can’t articulate why, but it just did.

  79. theboxman wrote:

    A note on Star Trek’s Mr. Sulu. Until Star Trek VI was released in 1991, his first name “Hikaru” was not even canonical (i.e., had never been mentioned on screen, although it had by then good acceptance by fandom), which lends support to a more ambiguous ethnic background for the character.

  80. Fei Hu wrote:

    IMO the most tragic case of this Hollywood racisim was that of Anna Mae Wong. From
    http://us_asians.tripod.com/features-am-wong.html

    “It was at the latter studio the next year that the ambitious Asian lady became fed up with Hollywood. For years, heavily made-up Caucasian actors had been playing Asians on screen, but recently, a young redhead from Montana seemed to be cornering the market in those roles. So when Anna May was cast in support of Myrna Loy in The Crimson City (Warner Bros., 1928), it was the last straw for the twenty-three-year-old Chinese beauty. Like other talented non-whites before her, she made the move to more tolerant Europe.

    To read what happens to her when she moved to Europe and eventually returned back to the U.S., please click HERE” (See main article)

  81. Fiqah wrote:

    Re: the whole “respect for the dead and grieving” silencing bullshizzle -

    The circumstances of his death are outrageously sensationalistic. I won’t go into any detail other than to remark that these circumstances have helped ensure a steady barrage of media coverage.

    This IS respect for the dead. This iS appropriate restraint. The author centered her well-stated critique on Carradine’s CAREER; there wasn’t a whiff of the scandal pages to be found in the entire piece, so let’s not even take it there. We can’t hold the deceased accountable for their actions in life, but we can – and do – form opinions and base our judgments on those actions. Reprehensible behavior in life is NOT pardoned in death.

    “Respect for the dead?” Please. If you don’t want to be remembered as an asshole, then don’t be one. If R.Kelly – whose career to me is just as disgraceful as his personal life – died tomorrow, I would do the Fiqah Happy Dance all over Manhattan and call NY1 to tape that it.

  82. Honest U.S. Marine wrote:

    DaisyDeadhead, Fiqah and Kimee Cherokee are right, as well as the majority of the many rational commenters here are correct in their assessing racism and its ravishing effects in our communities.

    The rational commenters of the Racialicious community exemplify the intellectual integrity structure on which a strong, moral-minded world leader base her or his political opinions: we all must promote racial equality in our local communities.

    Let’s all do our part in our local communities and promote love, peace and harmony.

    Also, let’s end racism now, as well as racism denial and racists’ revision of real history as it actually happened! Racists, racism deniers, and a rogue, racist revisionist historians are the scourge of the earth.

    The outstanding commenters’ rational comments here have collectively given me a better insight on race relations around the world. I am humbled. It is good to be among clear-thinking individuals, each of whom sincerely wants to unite humanity… not destroy it.

    In essence, I believe the late David Carradine’s death has taught us all a valuable lesson about anti-Asian (anti-Chinese) racism.

    Although he is no longer here in life with us, his role as Kwai Chang Caine [Qián Guanchang] has afforded us rational members of humanity a “very rare opportunity” to base our collective efforts to combat racism on a sound foundation.

    Yes, I am so humbled to be a part of this long overdue discussion about the intersection of race and pop culture. As I read the many comments on this Weblog entry, I am relieved to know that there are many other people who share my rational views on race and the pop culture.

    I would like to thank you very much, Atlasien. You are very kind to have posted a well-conveyed Weblog entry about race and the pop culture. Your outstanding contribution to the Racialicious community is highly commendable. Bravo!

    The Racialicious community has gained another member. I shall tell others about Racialicious.com and the many clear-thinking commenters here. Bravo!

    In closing, I am not here to debate racists, racism deniers, and a rogue history revisionists.

    I am not here to lecture anyone who opposes the views of many commenters like me. I am only here to learn how I can be part of the solution of resolving one of the evil forms of hatred that divides humanity: racism.

    FYI, this Weblog entry is not focused on the late David Carradine (who is partially of Cherokee descent), it is focused on “white-washing” of the Kwai Chang Caine [Qián Guanchang] character and denying the late Bruce Lee the chance to star in “Kung Fu.”

    Lee should have been cast as a 100% Chinese immigrant named Kwai Chang [Qián Chang] (please correct if needed) not the “half-Chinese/half-white” Kwai Chang Caine [Qián Guanchang] masterfully portrayed by Carradine.

    Imagine Bruce Lee better portraying “the Shaolin monk” who kicked some serious cowboy butt and walking the face of the Earth.

    Yes, Bruce Lee would have made Chuck Norris’ “cloned” western/action/martial arts/drama TV series version “Walker, Texas Ranger” pale in comparison. (No pun intended nor implied. I love Chuck. He kick serious butt, too.)

    Let’s keep this discussion about race and the pop culture going! Every rational commenter of the Racialicious community rocks! Let’s end racism now!

  83. mina wrote:

    I find this post to be kinda of bitter and full of hate and anger thrown at a person who really doesn’t deserve it. The man just died and you have to attack this WHOLE CAREER based on a few of the many, many roles he played throughout this life.

    I’m not defending the whole Kung Fu situation, I’m well aware that Bruce Lee didn’t get the title role of something that he created because Hollywood producers didn’t want a title role to go to an Asian man and that was a horrible thing to do.

    But why blame David Carradine for this? Blame Hollywood and racist Hollywood producers for casting a white man in a title role that should have gone to Bruce Lee.

    Of course he had a choice not to play in Kung Fu, but that was his decision as a young actor looking for his break to do this.

    And why wouldn’t he “milk it” to some degree in his later life? This was his most famous role and there is a thing called typecasting.

    It would have been good if he had apologized for any hurt that some of his acting roles caused the Asian community and stopped doing these type of roles, but he choose not to, this was a mistake.

    Also, why is Kill Bill Asiaphile? Quentin Tarantino grew up watching many genres of film and kung-fu and samurai films from Asia were one of the many genres he enjoyed watching and so he decided to make a movie based to this. How is Kill Bill any more dubious from countless number of films similar to it that come from Japan and China?

    And your complaint with the Yellowbook.com commercials is just nit-picking, how could anyone connect the dots and say Yellowbook+ David Carradine= some subliminal message about “Yellow-faced” Asians is beyond me.

    While it is important to combat negative stereotypes about all races in film, this post just rubbed me the wrong way.

    To Fiqah: to compare David Carradine’s long film career to R. Kelly having sex with underage girls is ridiculous and flat out offensive.

    Just because you or anyone else didn’t like his film choices DOES NOT mean his character should come into this at all, it just means YOU didn’t like his movies.

    I’m curious to see if there will be similar posts like this when Al Pacino, Mickey Rooney, and just about every mainstream rapper kick the bucket.

  84. Fiqah wrote:

    @mina: Please re-read my comment before addressing any further commentary to me.

  85. mina wrote:

    @ Fiqah: I read and understood it quite well. I’m just disagreeing with your opinion.

  86. Ric wrote:

    I agree fully with Mina.

  87. mina wrote:

    @ Fiqah: From what I took from your post was that you where comparing Mr. Carradine’s film career to R. Kelly’s sex scandal, if you took offense from this then I do apologize.

    The whole point of my post is that the blame should not be directed to Carradine but the environment that caused Carradine to get the title role in Kung Fu that made him a hugely successful star in the first place.

  88. Apollyon wrote:

    Contrary to what some people claim, whitewashing still does occur today. Consider the movie 21, DragonBallZ, and the upcoming movies Avatar, and Akira. Consider The Eye, The Grudge, The Ring etc. If anything it is getting worse as anti-Asian racism is being socially constructed as acceptable. Regarding this whole business of introducing Asian culture to America. What good is it to provide fodder for cultural appropriation without respecting the people of that culture? It seems that the dream of white America is to appropriate the best of the world’s cultures while simultaneously performing ethnic cleansing. To me personally, the be all and end all of David Carradine’s career is being a white man who plays an Asian man. At some point, people have to take personal responsibility for their actions which includes actors as well as racist Hollywood.

  89. Lxy wrote:

    CNN is broadcasting a “tribute to David Carradine.”

    It will be interesting to see how the network “handles” the fact that his career was largely based upon pandering to American Minstrelsy and yellowface.

  90. m. wrote:

    @ stephen + Kimee:
    “100% white”? I had no idea one could gauge whiteness based on “purity” of blood. With all due respect, Wikipedia is literally THE bottom of the barrel for information. How many people in the U.S. alone claim Indian blood? How many claim to be descendents from a mysterious or distant (read: fictional) ancestor who belonged to one of the 5 “civilized tribes”? Come on, now. There always seems to be a member of every non-Native family, in every generation, who considers themselves quite the oral historian and passes on the idea of an Indian relative to the generation after that.
    Anyway, my point is this: David Carradine *is*–and, therefore, looked like–a white guy; regardless of whether or not he had this rumored strain of Cherokee DNA. (Even if he were a thinblood, he wasn’t raised in the culture so he is, indeed, white – “100%”.) What I’m saying is that he didn’t get those roles playing Asian characters because he was supposedly mixed or even looked so…he got them because of his being white, and all the privileges that come along with whiteness. If it weren’t for that reason, then we’d be remembering Kwai Chang Caine as played by Bruce Lee…the way things should’ve panned out.

    @ stephen, specifically:
    I know you meant no harm with your comment, but I just want to point out that Native people are not “closer to Asian than European”. Asians are Asian and Europeans are European – just like Natives are Native. Native people do not need to be compared to those who are indigenous to an entirely different continent (it happens enough), it’s very problematic for a number of reasons (read all the Euro- and Sino-centric ideas about us as a people and outsiders’ takes on our individual histories, as well as the speculations/theories about whether or not we should even be considered indigenous – you’ll see what I mean). Maybe you only meant to make a point about the perceived similarities in our respective physical appearances? Even so, that doesn’t hold any weight when discussing the racist images of and ideas about Asians that someone’s acting career was built upon. Perhaps speaking of how some races/ethnicities are considered “interchangeable” in others’ eyes and to casting directors *is* appropriate, but a white guy in yellowface *isn’t* (nor should a non-Asian POC in the role of an Asian be considered acceptable/excusable, even if they do “look it” to unknowing audiences). Not saying you are (or Kimee is) implying that, just saying.

    One more thing, I am just getting this out there because I think it’s important to note: if Carradine really *were* an Indian–let’s say from one of the nations in the Southwestern U.S., because I feel more comfortable using our experiences as an example and most of us are no strangers to getting mistaken for Chinese or “some sort of Asian mixed with Mexican”–there’d be no discussion of this sort of career, because being Native in Hollywood simply wouldn’t have worked in his favor. (A lot like how Bruce Lee being Asian, when being considered for a role as one of his own people, apparently didn’t work in *his* favor.) In fact, we most likely wouldn’t be discussing Carradine’s existance at all. That’s how powerful his being white was.

  91. m. wrote:

    P.S. -

    Kimee:
    Hopefully I don’t come off like I am picking at your comment, because I am trying to respond constructively (despite the fact that I type fast and a lot, and have pretty much found myself to be incapable of “summing things up”)…

    stephen:
    Please know that I am not attempting to “call you out”, just trying to explain why I don’t feel what you brought up had any bearing whatsoever on Carradine’s success.

  92. Jay wrote:

    Don’t forget Sam (Robert Ito, I think) on Quincy.

    Great role. Sadly, though, Quincy himself is supposed to be based on a Japanese-American doctor (Thomas Noguchi). The inspiration is loose though.

    @Fei Hu
    But i would go one step further. I would not have cast Bruce Lee. Why? Because the character was “Hapa” (Half Asian and half Westerner).

    Actually, as pointed out Bruce Lee himself was a quarter white, so he’s biracial as well.

    @Ginger
    Reminds me of the 1920-30s actors in black face. But times have changed and this sort of thing just doesn’t happen anymore.

    Let’s see now… 21, Dragonball, Avatar, various horror remakes, etc. White actor still replace Asian ones on a regular basis. The problem is far from over.

  93. Super Amanda wrote:

    Did my comment get deleted? Why?

    Mod Note – Please review the comments mod policy. No personal attacks, no “if you want to talk about real racism” comments, engage with what the author wrote, not just one point. You can feel free to disagree with what is written, but please do so respectfully. By the way, we covered the Jolie/Pearl story along with all the other neo-colorface that occurs in Hollywood. – LDP

  94. clasqm wrote:

    Yes, Bruce Lee should have gotten that role. Oh wait, is that the same Bruce Lee that Yip Man had to teach in secret, after the other (Asian) students ostracized him for being one-quarter German?

  95. jp kaneshida wrote:

    It’s amazing to me that in all of the broohaha about Carradine that the bigger subject is completely invisible; after all, he’s an *actor*.

    The real culprits in the whole Carradine as yellow face perpetrator are the creators/developers/writers, directors, producers, studio brokers who greenlit his projects and by default the studios/networks, and advertisers/distributors. After all, without such a system, Carradine’s just another cow in the cattle call – albeit with a pedigree.

    In fact, when you understand the construction of the long assembly line that is industrial tv/film production, you see that Carradine is probably one of the least important cogs in the machinery. In fact, David’s younger half-brother, Keith, played a young man Caine in the series and it doesn’t take much for me to imagine him in the role – or any number of other actors. It’s not like Connery and Bond, despite those who like Roger Moore’s fruity 007 rendition.

    Last, I liked the original incarnation of Kung Fu. Yes, I am aware of the racist casting. However, I believe it’s a bit more complex than first meets the eye. For instance, Caine on more than one occasion attracts white females. By *implication* this is miscegenetic. It’s not much, I know, but consider that *that* perhaps says more and illuminates just what a sad state of affairs this country is for Asian males; that they must live vicariously via a white actor portraying a miscegenetic relationship!

    Further, I understand the obvious contradiction between being Asian – as I am – and liking Kung Fu, the original series. However, a similar dynamic exists in humor; there are many times when I, among the company of non-Asian friends, are busting chops with race humor. It’s fun, and it’s funny.

    But consider when a comedian is onstage – I’ve seen many a black comedian and a few Latino ones take shots at Asians. Sometimes the jokes are funny, others not. Now, I can laugh at a joke by an Other comedian, but I may very well disagree with the joke’s underlying politics. In other words, something can be funny and make me laugh, but that doesn’t mean that I am unaware that it’s problematic.

    Likewise with Kung Fu I like the series but am keenly aware of its problematic nature. In fact, I have quite a lot of problems with some of the Asian portrayals played by Asian actors. Hey, Hitchcock was a raving lunatic when it came to women; consider Hitch’s own interpretation of “Vertigo” as being about “necrophilia.” And yet, “Vertigo” is a masterpiece of American cinema and surely one of its most personal works. Kung Fu’s production values are excellent (I believe it was shot by Universal, although distributed by Warner Bros.), and the writing – as corny zen as it wants to be – has an earnestness to it utterly lacking in today’s crass, overly sold junk food fare.

    Bottom line, it’s not unheard of, at least for me, to hold two opposing ideas, feelings or other diametrically opposed or dis-similar “things” at once. No one said life had to be compact and resolved – that’s asocial construction.

    Or in the cop-out of cop-outs and in the words of Billy Wilder, “Well, nobody’s perfect.”

  96. jstele wrote:

    Well, I think it is more difficult to distinguish Chinese who grew up in Korea from the local population, but not impossible. This goes for other Asian ethnicities as well.

    I think it depends on how visual and observant one is. It’s not how much you see, but how well.

  97. Sadface wrote:

    Yes, whitewashing still exists, and it’s horribly patronizing of Hollywood execs to assume that surely everybody in the world is just as racist as they are. It’s quite an insult to every moviegoer. The Avatar movie is such a telling example. Even with major backlash, with many people insisting that they want Asian actors, the producers are basically saying “No, you don’t.”

  98. JM Brodie wrote:

    The parallel I see is with Ben Kingsley playing Ghandi.

    Go back further into the classic Hollywood days and one can see “exotic” white women wearing a shade of makeup that made them look like Lena Horne. Lena said in later years that the use of the makeup was deliberate because the producers did not want to give the roles to Black women.

    The frustration over this cost Dorothy Dandridge her life.

    I won’t even go into to Shaka Zulu, or white Afro-wearing Egyptians.

    I admit that growing up I never missed and episode of Kung Fu. I was young and the nuances got past me on this one. It was years later before I gave the show a hard look.

    Great write-up. Had to be said.

  99. Fiqah wrote:

    @Mina: Let’s review, shall we?

    I said:

    “Respect for the dead?” Please. If you don’t want to be remembered as an asshole, then don’t be one. If R.Kelly – whose career to me is just as disgraceful as his personal life – died tomorrow, I would do the Fiqah Happy Dance all over Manhattan

    You read:

    To Fiqah: to compare David Carradine’s long film career to R. Kelly having sex with underage girls is ridiculous and flat out offensive.

    It is absolutely your right to disagree with my opinion. It happens here all the time.
    Just make sure that what you’re disagreeing with is, in fact, my opinion.

  100. Samia wrote:

    T-Boy: THANK YOU. Clearly yoga is the only worthwhile thing to ever come out of SE Asia. Sometimes I feel like we don’t exist, not even to other Asian activists.

    I agreed wholeheartedly with the original post and many of the comments. While I stand in solidarity with my Far East Asian brothers and sisters, our asses didn’t even get a damned show and I should think it’s obvious we won’t for quite a while. SE Asian culture gets diluted and appropriated too, except our people are still invisible in the media’s eyes.

    How many Bengalis were on Star Trek again?

    Sorry for the mini-rant, but I don’t like being silently not-counted as non-Asian, and that’s exactly how I feel in so many situations.

    I do understand where some of the “but but but blame Hollywood!” comments are coming from (and if you read the rest of your site, you’ll see Racialicious certainly does its share of that), but I think y’all need to understand we’ve all been bombarded with media gushing 24/7 about this guy’s career. The article is a response to a perceived whitewashing of the nature of Carradine’s work. It didn’t come out of nowhere.

  101. Neville A. Ross wrote:

    The parallel I see is with Ben Kingsley playing Ghandi.

    Except that Ben Kingsley is actually SE Asian-his real name is Krishna Banjeree. He revealed this on an episode of The Arsenio Hall Show back in the early 1990’s. Much like Freddie Mercury having the real name of Fredrick Balsara.

  102. KimchiGUN wrote:

    I was young when I watched the rerun’s of Kung Fu. I only watched a few episodes because my own mother made me turn it off. She mentioned he wasn’t Asian and he was a fake. Back in the 80’s my own mother was a Bruce Lee fan. She also knew he was dropped from the role. She also didn’t like M.A.S.H, because “they were not REAL Koreans”…

    I personally feel that David Carradine road on the coattails of the “Asian Culture”. It almost seemed he was Caine in real life.

    Holla!

  103. Brothel Poet wrote:

    Ben Kingsley is part Indian. His father was from the town that Gandhi was from. Kingsley looked so much like Gandhi that people allegedly bowed to him in the street while shooting the movie.

  104. John Jihoon Chang wrote:

    @jstele

    Some people might claim that they can tell the difference in physical appearance between full Irish, Scots, English and Welsh. Some people say they can tell the difference in physical appearance between Chinese, Corean and Japanese. (That’s not even accounting for the fact that “Chinese” includes over 50 ethnic groups). And maybe some people can and if you say you can, I’ll trust you.

    I only have a problem with the claim that “if you’re around Asians a lot, you’ll be able to tell the difference.” Most East Asians (in Asia) live almost exclusively among other East Asians and they, for the most part, are unable to tell by physical appearance alone. It’s why my Chinese friend can unwittingly walk into a “no foreigners” bar in Japan and only get asked to leave after they find she speaks Japanese with an accent. And it’s why I once got into an argument with a Chinese immigrant about whether I was Chinese or not (she claimed I was and I know I’m not), an awkward conversation for sure.

    But, more to the topic, even if most East Asians can’t tease apart their own ethnic groups, they can almost all certainly tell when someone’s not at all. Which is the case with Mr. Carradine. Personally, if they were set on casting a white man for Caine, it might’ve been less insulting (although still no better), to just have his backstory changed to be that he was a white child that ended up in the tutelage of the Shaolin monks.

  105. homer wrote:

    And here I thought the whole point of television was to pander silly nonsense to the masses out there in TVLand, and sell a ton of laundry soap while doing it.

    It is a pity you never mentioned anything about the portryal of American Indians (misnomer alert!) in spaghetti westerns.

  106. globalpartner wrote:

    @ Barbara and @Atlasien:

    “I remember that we watched every show on TV that even hinted at having Asian-American actors, even if we hated it.”

    “But every time we watched it, we were reminded that it was possible for white people to take the best of what they wanted from Asian culture. Asian culture was mysterious and cool, but real Asian people were unwanted and superfluous. They could easily be replaced by the right kind of white man. ”

    “Sitting there and watching was like… offering your body up to be erased. ”

    Let the church say amen… as a Black woman who grew up on B&W television, I feel you on this one. We would watch Flip Wilson run around in drag, an obnoxious selfish junk man and is emotionally crippled son who put up with his nonsense – even when “Fred” in one episode tried all sorts of shiesty s**t to manipulate “Lamont” to not go on a “tramp steamer” to see the world because he didn’t want to be alone (Lamont stayed), and – horror of horrors! – HELL, WE WATCHED “HUGGY BEAR”! – JUST TO SEE SOMEONE WHO LOOKED LIKE US ON TV. I think it’s about seeing some aspect of yourself in the mainstream, just so you know that sometimes these people DO see you sometimes…
    This was strong post – Keep your vision clear!

  107. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    Neville A Ross – Actually, Freddie’s birth name was Farokh Bulsara.

    Any chance of a Racialicious piece about him? He really does encompass a lot of the issues covered on here.

  108. Ruchama wrote:

    @globalpartner — “shyster” can really have antisemitic overtones to it.

    Very interesting post. I’d never watched Kung Fu — I’m a bit too young to have seen it first run, and I’ve never seen any reruns of it — and this post gave me a lot to think about. I definitely want to find a few episodes now to watch how this all plays out on screen.

  109. anon wrote:

    Recently a group of Asian kids put on Fiddler on the Roof.

    Fuck their goddamned racist careers!

  110. kavalier1228 wrote:

    @ Safiya:

    Freddie Mercury deserves a three part series in analyzing the issues of race and sexuality. He is an interesting case study. He is an Indian of parsi descent (meaning they have Persian blood) from a minority religious community outside of Hinduism (sp?) and Islam yet he became culturally British as his career began. He did have a long-term relationship with a woman friend named Mary but later reduced to being just best friends due to his sexual attraction to men.

    Freddie is someone where you either love him or hate him. While I can see the comparison with David and Freddie especially when the rock star hid his sexuality and ethnicity from everyone for all of his career, Freddie’s case is pretty much a huge tangled web of issues that cannot be simplfied without leaving out information.

  111. Frannk9 wrote:

    In the movie ‘The Life of David Carradine’, an Asian actor will portray our fallen kinky yellowface icon. What injustice, sigh.

  112. PatrickInBeijing wrote:

    I am old enough to remember the original show, and the first time I saw it. I knew only a little bit about Asian (Chinese) culture(s) at the time, but the show made me sick. Imagine John Wayne playing Dr. Marting Luther King, or Bruce Lee playing George Washington. Or Will Smith playing Ronald Reagan. It wouldn’t fly in America. But the concerns of Asian-Americans over being portrayed by white folks are not taken seriously.
    Carradine took the role with his eyes open. He could have followed another path, many other actors and actresses have done so. I regret his passing along with all of the people who died that day. But he did nothing heroic. He acted like a racist buffoon for money.

    From the beginning, it was clear that this show trivialized Chinese culture. It was not “good”, though it was popular (think hard about “bad” shows that are popular).

    Even as satire, it wasn’t very good.

    Thanks for the article. Actually, I felt you were too kind.

  113. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    kavalier1228 – I wasn’t comparing Freddie to David Carradine. Full disclosure – I am a massive Queen fan.

    I agree that Freddie is complex case. As well as his background and sexuality, there was also his desire to separate his private life from his stage persona.

    Despite his rock star stardom, he remained very close to his family. In fact, in the U.K you can address a letter to “Freddie’s Mum and Dad, London” and it will reach them.

    His wiki page has a controversy section which is almost entirely based of criticism of him not being perceived as open about his ethnicity, sexuality or illness.

    I would love to see a Racialicious piece on him, because I think he encapsulates many issues covered on here.

  114. kavalier1228 wrote:

    @Safiya

    That’s true. Freddie wanted to distingish his personal life from his persona on stage. It probably has not much to do with self-hatred or anything as some might assume. It is common for many rock stars to be a different person in their personal life in comparison to their stage personas.

    The fact that he has any criticism about keeping his background private reveals no amount of fame would completely nullify the disadvantages being a person of color or a person from a oppressed group has. I mean, I don’t hear criticism for Alice Cooper for keeping his Christian faith private or his own private life different from his persona on stage as shock rocker with his theatrics.
    The courtesy isn’t extented to Freddie in a sense where Freddie seems to assume he could be like other rock stars as Alice Cooper and others where he can afford to seperate his private life from his persona on stage. He did just like many rockers and musicians in general but he didn’t have the white priviledge to be granted that without criticism. In fact, some of the criticism has legitimate points since there are not many ethnically non-white and/or non-european musicians who achieve the level of musicianship and fame Freddie has yet he isn’t willing to be open about his ethnicity. On one hand, Freddie’s personal life shouldn’t be used to impose political statements. He is a person and artist, not an object that people can use for their political and social agendas. I think that’s what he didn’t want. Plus, I think he somewhat knew the disadvantage he has as a non-European. However, several people has mixed feelings about Freddie as a result of keeping his life private. Add to the mix that some Asian groups don’t include South east Asians in the their activism and it can just get people’s minds spinning. It is not uncommon for people to assume that Freddie’s white, although he was Indian of Persian descent (Parsi), never racially caucasian.

    Sorry guys going off topic….

  115. Anonymous wrote:

    Sorry for the errors working on my english…

    A reflection on the death of David Carradine…

    As you all may know, David Carradine was recently found dead of an apparent suicide in a Bangkok hotel. David Carradine is perhaps the most famous “Yellow Face” actor in history in his portrayal of Kwai Chang Caine in the television series “Kung Fu”. Carradine (an actor of mixed race, none of which are Chinese) was picked over Bruce Lee (who originated the concept for “Kung Fu”) to star in the series despite his lack of knowledge of Kung Fu and his misappropriated race. In many ways, David Carradine is the worst example of a “white” actor (he’s mostly white) benefiting from the racism in Hollywood that favors whites over ethnic actors.

    I personally feel that David Carradine was as much a victem of racism as his authentically Asian actor counterparts…

    David Carradine’s breakthrough role was his “yellow face” portrayal of the fictional Shaolin Monk Kwai Chang Caine in the early 1970’s, his comeback role was “Bill” in Quentin Tarantino’s film “Kill Bill” (a homage to Asian cinema), his last completed role was a “100-year old Chinese gangster” in the film “Crank: High Voltage”, and the film in which he died before making apparently had an Asian setting (Bangkok). While David Carradine’s career was launched by his “yellow face” portrayal, it was also severlely limited by it; he was forever typecast as the white “asian” guy and it is arguable that his career suffered for it (he was a pretty good actor after all!).

    Now, I understand that David Carradine represents a lot of the resentment towards Hollywood “yellow face” but I honestly think that in many ways he has played a part in making Asian culture more acceptable to the West. As ridiculous as his educational Tai Chi and Chi Kung dvds are, he introduced a curiosity in Asian culture to “white America” that might not have been otherwise sparked. I really feel that he did something to bridge cultures (as cheesy as that sounds).

  116. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    kavalier1228 – That’s a really good analysis. Why don’t you write the piece and submit it to Latoya?

  117. Narith Sithi wrote:

    Thank you for writing this. Growing up I was always conflicted about liking Kung Fu for having a respectful dipiction of Asians in the media, but hating Kung Fu for using a white guy to depict Asians in the media. I didnt mind Kill Bill, because… well… it is what it is. Particularly satire, irony and a spoof.

    Its too bad that Caradine died, but even worse that he died being the face of Kung Fu.
    BTW: Kung FU: The Legend Continues was even worse as it had some great Asian actors; all secondary to TWO white guys being Asian and doing Kung Fu.

  118. Jay wrote:

    Now, I understand that David Carradine represents a lot of the resentment towards Hollywood “yellow face” but I honestly think that in many ways he has played a part in making Asian culture more acceptable to the West. As ridiculous as his educational Tai Chi and Chi Kung dvds are, he introduced a curiosity in Asian culture to “white America” that might not have been otherwise sparked. I really feel that he did something to bridge cultures (as cheesy as that sounds).

    So? Asian culture without Asian people is still very wrong – think about things like Firefly.

    Asian people are still not that accepted. That’s basically the whole point of this article and it flew right over your head.

  119. k wrote:

    Thank you so much for this blog! I was so disappointed that so many of the tributes to Carradine didn’t even mention this aspect of the show Kung Fu. It could have been a simple sentence about his casting with no ‘disrespect’ but it never came up. Granted, I read celebrity gossip blogs with little substance, but I keep hoping they will rise to my expectations and I will find even a mention there of the issues raised here.

  120. DAB wrote:

    I’m sorry that you thought that the TV series Kung Fu was racist. I don’t know if you know what the whole story was, however. The character that Carradine played, Kwai Chang Caine, was half Caucasian. That is how the character ended up searching the North American west looking for his completely Caucasian half brother and in the process finding a lot of other completely Caucasian relatives. Bruce Lee was no more Caucasian than Carradine was Asian!

    I have heard and read countless accounts of Bruce Lee’s involvement in “Kung Fu”. He had absolutely nothing to do with the shows development. He was one of three people who auditioned for the role, however.

    I wonder if you, like several other people, are confused between the “Kung Fu” series and movie “The Circle of Iron”. Bruce Lee did take part in the development of the movie “The Circle of Iron” (The Silent Flute). Lee had apparently lost interest in “The Silent Flute” before his death. But, through a lot of effort on the part of David Carradine, the movie was finally made (with Carradine in the parts originally intended for Bruce Lee) and dedicated to Lee’s memory. Can David Carradine be blamed for the roles in “The Circle of Iron” going to him instead of Lee when, after all, Lee was dead? Do you also fault Philip Kan for playing a Chinese Shoalin Master when, in fact, he was Korean?

    Had there been any bitterness on the part of Lee toward Carradine over “Kung Fu”, I do not understand why Lee’s son, Brandon, would have co-starred with Carradine in “Kung Fu The Movie” years later.

    From a Caucasian person’s point of view, the TV series helped to expose a lot of us stupid racist white people to Asian philosophy and culture. I do not know what else there could have been on TV or in our pop culture that would have served that purpose had David Carradine’s character of Kwai Chang Caine not existed.

    Again, I am sorry that you are so angry about what you view as racist.

  121. DAB wrote:

    Apology for error I meant to refer to Philip Ahn not “Kan” (Kan was the character that he played in Kung Fu).

  122. Honest U.S. Marine wrote:

    DAB,

    I’m not here to lecture you nor am I here to debate you. Your comment (which somewhat is questioning the intelligence of commenters like me) is not scoring you any points here at Racialicious.

    FACT: If you had took the time to read and re-read earlier comments like mine, you probably wouldn’t have even bother posting the following interested remark:

    “I don’t know if you know what the whole story was, however. The character that Carradine played, Kwai Chang Caine, was half Caucasian.”

    If you want to be a part of the solution of resolving every facet of racism (including antiAsian racism), take the common courtesy to read and re-read every comment in this Weblog entry before assuming that we poor, ignorant commenters are not keenly of fact the Kwai Chang character was half Caucasian.

    WE ALREADY AWARE OF THAT FACT! THANK YOU!

    I had posted the following earlier:

    “Lee should have been cast (sic) as a 100% Chinese immigrant named Kwai Chang [Qián Chang] (please correct if needed) not the “half-Chinese/half-white” Kwai Chang Caine [Qián Guanchang] masterfully portrayed by Carradine.”

    You stating that Bruce Lee was not considered to star in “Kung Fu” is also incorrect.

    The architects of the Kung Fu TV series (Ed Spielman, Jerry Thorpe and Herman Miller) favored David Carradine (a member of a powerful acting dynasty) over “unknown” Bruce Lee (despite Lee’s short-lived fame on the “one-season-wonder” TV show Green Hornet).

    Many of us commenters here at Racialious opined that we opposed Thorpe, Herman Miller’s “white-washing” the Kwai Chang Caine character.

    Moreover, I and the many commenters here at Racialicious don’t merely “think” the TV series Kung Fu was racist… The “white washing” of the TV show’s main character is what we collectively oppose. Period.

    The Kwai Chang Caine character should have been a “100% Chinese” character portrayed by a “100% Chinese actor”… not a half-white/half-Chinese character portrayed by Carradine, who was slanted toward a predominately “white” TV audience.

    Anti-Asian bigotry still contaminates Hollywood. How many Chinese actors have won Oscars lately. Not many. (Grrr!)

    The late James Coburn (the iconic white actor) advised Lee to return to Hong Kong to polish the craft of acting, knowing Lee’s chance in Hollywood at the time was next to null. Racism sucks.

    Coburn was a true legend and a great “brother” who “schooled” Lee about the painful truth of Hollywood: No ticky… No laundry.

    The majority of us commenters at Racialious are duly expressing our distaste for anti-Asian racism. Kwai Chang should have been “100% Chinese.” How clear can that statement be made? Really. Is it a crime to be 100% Chinese in a historic American TV show named “KUNG FU?”

    Hmmm… NOPE!

    Moreover, this Weblog entry is not vilifying the late David Carradine, a masterful and affable actor. Get real, DAB! Carradine was awesome; however, Bruce Lee was equally awesome.

    This Weblog entry is about the “white-washing” of the Kwai Chang Caine (a Shaolin monk) in a half white/half Chinese character in a TV series called “Kung Fu.” Is that clear enough for you?

    So, let’s keep this discussion on topic… about anti-Asian racism.

    I not lecturing you nor am I debating you. I am here to set the record straight.

    Any rational person would deem my rebuttal to your comment is NOT a personal attack, DAB. However, in your case you wrongly assume the intend of the commenters here at Racialious.

    On various Web sites, I counter any attempt counter-productive comments of racists and racist history revisionists. Racialicious is a great place to openly discuss every facet of racism.

    Atlasien posted an excellent Weblog entry which I whole-heartedly support.

    Both Atlasien and I (as well as many commenters here) oppose the “white washing” of Kwai Chang Caine, the Shaolin monk that “walk the face of the earth.”

    Take care and have fun.