Kirking Out

by Latoya Peterson

So, this week, I made a shocking discovery: my boyfriend is a trekkie!

I have no idea how we went this long without exposing his latent nerdiness, but here I am watching Star Trek: First Contact and preparing to check out John Cho tomorrow.

In the meantime, he’s some race-related Trekkie goodness from the wilds of the interwebs:

Hyphen Magazine published Race to Space: Asian Americans, stereotypes in Star Trek’s Final Frontier:

“It meant a lot to me seeing George (Takei) on television,” Cho says. “It was like, ‘look at this guy who isn’t wearing a cone-shaped hat’ and it was stunning. He was just alone on television as an Asian American. So when this project came along, I was very keen on doing it because it was a legacy I really wanted to be a part of.” (Read a full interview with Cho in the Film section.)

Takei was one of the few Asian Americans with a starring role on TV when he played Sulu, helmsman of the Enterprise, in the first Star Trek series and in six movies.

“As a fan but also as a scholar of Asian American pop culture, I’ve always been impressed with the Star Trek franchise and its efforts toward inclusion,” says Phil Yu, a self-professed Trekkie who also blogs as Angry Asian Man (www.angryasianman.com) and is a web producer for Yahoo Movies. “It presents a utopian view of future and has always included Asians on the ship.” [...]

“There are serious issues of racism, in an academic sense, and you can see how it plays out in how Asian men, black men and Asian women are represented,” says Daniel Bernardi, author of Star Trek and History: Race-ing Toward a White Future. “Yes, you put some people of color on the show. Now that’s good, but how did you use them and to what end?” [...]

Bernardi cites an episode of TOS in particular, “The Naked Time,” in which an alien virus infects the Enterprise crew, causing them to act out their inhibitions. In one of his most celebrated scenes, Sulu goes on a shirtless rampage, molesting Uhura and challenging all comers with a fencing sword. “That’s Star Trek revealing itself,” Bernardi says. “That’s what they think Sulu is inside, a threat to women and wild beast that needs to be tamed.”

Over on Salon, Jeff Greenwald presents the case that Obama is Spock:


Obama, Jenkins points out, positioned himself in the primaries as a man “at home with both blacks and whites, someone whose mixed racial background has forced him to become a cultural translator.” In this sense Obama even surpasses Spock, whose struggle to reconcile his half-human, half-Vulcan genes is a continual source of inner conflict. In one episode, the entire Enterprise crew (except for Kirk) is infected by alien spores that turn them into doe-eyed flower children. The “cure” is anger — thus Kirk is forced to provoke his first officer to rage. He succeeds, spectacularly, by insulting Spock’s racial pedigree: “All right, you mutinous half-breed! You’re an overgrown jackrabbit! An elf, with a hyperactive thyroid! A simpering, devil-eared freak whose father was a computer and his mother an encyclopedia!”

Confronted with a similar insult, Barack Obama would probably just laugh. “The Vulcan side of Obama, the core of his character, hasn’t changed [since the election],” Jenkins believes. “He’s tough, he’s cool and he’s rational.” His appeal stems from the self-aware integration of all aspects of his personality: black and white, wonk and poet, athlete and aesthete.

Like Spock, part of what makes Obama so appealing is the fact that although he’s an outsider — “proudly alien,” as Leonard Nimoy once put it — he uses that distance to cultivate a sense of perspective. And while we’re drawn to Spock’s exotic traits — the pointy ears, green blood and weird mating rituals — we take comfort in his soothing baritone, prominent nose and ordinary teeth.

And some fun facts about Nichelle Nichols (Uhrura) via Wiki:

It was in Star Trek that Nichols gained popular recognition by being one of the first black women featured in a major television series not playing a servant; her prominent supporting role as a female black bridge officer was unprecedented. During the first year of the series, Nichols was tempted to leave the show, as she felt her role lacked significance; however, a conversation with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. changed her mind. Though specifics of the conversation vary, in generalities she has reported that Dr. King personally encouraged her to stay on the show, telling her that he was a big fan of the series and told her she “could not give up” since she was playing a vital role model for black children and young women across the country.[2] It is also often reported that Dr. King added that “Once that door is opened by someone, no one else can close it again.”

Former NASA astronaut Mae Jemison has cited Nichols’s role of Lt. Uhura as her inspiration for wanting to become an astronaut and Whoopi Goldberg has also spoken of Nichols’s influence.[citation needed] Goldberg herself eventually landed a recurring role in Star Trek: The Next Generation[3] as Guinan, while Jemison appeared in an episode of the series.

In her role as Lt. Uhura, Nichols famously kissed Canadian actor William Shatner as Captain James T. Kirk in the 1968 Star Trek episode “Plato’s Stepchildren”. This is often referred to as the first interracial kiss on US television, however that milestone actually took place when Sammy Davis, Jr. and Nancy Sinatra kissed briefly on the variety program Movin’ With Nancy in December 1967. It wasn’t even the first interracial kiss on Star Trek, as Shatner had kissed an alien played by Vietnamese-French actress France Nuyen in the episode Elaan of Troyius, which was screened earlier that season.

Nevertheless, the scene provoked protest and was seen as groundbreaking, even though the kiss was portrayed as having been forced by alien mind control. Despite a smattering of protest, the majority of the feedback of the incident was positive.[citation needed] In her 1994 autobiography, Beyond Uhura, Star Trek and Other Memories page 197, Nichols cites a letter from one white Southerner who wrote: “I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain’t gonna fight it.” During the Comedy Central roast of Shatner on August 20, 2006, she referred to the incident and said, “Let’s make TV history again … and you can kiss my black ass!”

Now, here’s my question: Did anyone ever figure out how Uhara got her hair done in the 23th century? Is there some fly black girl hair device that keeps it fresh in space? I mean, they have a replicator and all…

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  1. Jess wrote:

    I gotta say, I was always one of those who, while acknowledging the show’s political shortcomings (this is coming from a guy raised to be a Socialist) I have a soft spot for Roddenberry’s vision of the future, in which ethnicity didn’t matter and it was important to recognize our humanity.

    I mean, he had a famously multiracial and multiethnic crew on the ship, and that was a big deal in 1966-67.

    Not that there aren’t issues– Roddenberry’s original vision was very much a technocratic sort of utopia, along the lines of the stuff that Arthur C. Clarke would come up with, and very “traditional” in a science fictional sense (the New Wave really wouldn’t make itself felt in science fiction television for a while, I’d say it took until the 90s for that to go mainstream, but you could argue the point depending on how you define things).

    In any case, I was just thinking of George Takei — I mean, Asian, gay, (and compared to many people in TV at the time, rather openly so, though closeted by today’s standards) and playing a key role in many episodes.

    I’d call the show’s racial politics pretty good for its time. Yeah, when we watch it now it doesn’t look as progressive as we would like, but I bet more than half the readers of this blog weren’t born yet when it aired. Things have changed a bit, in ways that hen I think about it, are pretty damned huge. Remember, it’s been forty years(!). [I am officially old, having caught the series in its first syndications as a kid in the mid-70s].

    All of which makes me want to see the movie. I’m interested to see how Abrams takes on Roddenberry’s concept. I think it could be a fun ride.

  2. Mary wrote:

    Uhura was just awesome, period. Anyone remember the mirror episode?

  3. Jadey wrote:

    Well, technically there were no replicators in TOS (the original series), so it couldn’t have been that. Nanobots? [/geek pedantry]

    I’m a huge sci fi dork and have fallen in love with many science fiction TV shows over the years, including TNG and Voyager from the ST franchise. What I’ve come to realize in the last few years, however, is that my love for this kind of television is being tempered by my growing awareness of how the Whiteness of the driving force behind these shows is determining their presentation of colonialism and the racism inherent in that.

    While the Star Trek producers have rested their laurals on their progressive record in the composition of their crews (not without flaws, of course; Voyager was pretty sucktastic for the tropes it used), in their treatment of the “alien” races and their protrayal of space exploration that the true colours of the show’s producers come through. The shows themselves tend to avoid deeply negative critiques of cherished protagonists so much that might be said often goes unsaid, alien species are often cast in a cloak of being “ethnic” (both leading and following a grand tradition in sci fi of making the black guy an alien), and the brand of colonialism espoused by the show is very clearly a White colonialism: the human race (a predominantly American and white human race) has some kind of deserved place in the universe and an inherent right to go where they will and take what they want. When they are in the wrong or accused so by another species, the usual plot resolution is that it’s okay because they’re serving a higher cause that others are too primitive or too backwards in their own development to understand. Ethical dilemmas get thrown about fairly frequently, but the treatment of these dilemmas is highly academic and abstract, and tend to reinforce the reigning culture of the show in the end.

  4. Erica wrote:

    I find that first picture kinda unsettling. Why is Uhuru the only crew member giving a sultry “come hither” look, when the rest get to have concerned-but-brave expressions? She wasn’t the most technically important person on the Enterprise, but she certainly wasn’t ship’s whore.

    I’m not a very impressed Trekkie if that’s the best rethink of Uhuru they came up with. Hope the movie works out better than their publicity photos.

  5. Celeste wrote:

    I love Star Trek, however they lost me on Voyager once they turned Jeri Ryan into eye-candy. Enterprise had the same problem with T’Pol. Yes, there are lots of racial issues. I think the Klingons were originally supposed to be the the Russians then morphed into a representation of black people. I think the Vulcans and Romulans were supposed to be Asians. The Bejorans were supposed to be jewish which I guess makes the Cardassians German by default. Another random thought: None of the black women had natural hair.

  6. Maysie wrote:

    Wonderful article and links, Latoya! I’ve been a huge fan of the Star Trek series for a long time, less so the original series but TNG, ST:V and DS9.

    Voyager was my favourite, as close to half the cast were POC. B’elana Torres, half Klingon, half human, Harry Kim, the young Asian ensign, Chakotay, Aboriginal first officer and former captain of the Maquis ship, and of course Tuvok the Black Vulcan.

    Despite all the stereotypes that clung onto each of these characters (that hollow flute sound when Chakotay was thinking, Harry being a nerdy engineer who can’t get dates, B’elana’s temper.) my friends and I enjoyed it, just to see people who look like us on television.

    I also liked that you had to go far down the Starfleet hierarchy to find a white man: ensign Tom Paris, the holographic doctor and Neelix, who was an alien.

    And Benjamin Sisko! Hello! :)

    Star Trek did boldly go (ha!) into areas of racial diversity and mixed race issues. With the majority of the writers being white it mostly got it wrong, but I’ve found that representation does matter.

  7. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    “He succeeds, spectacularly, by insulting Spock’s racial pedigree: “All right, you mutinous half-breed! You’re an overgrown jackrabbit! An elf, with a hyperactive thyroid! A simpering, devil-eared freak whose father was a computer and his mother an encyclopedia!” Confronted with a similar insult, Barack Obama would probably just laugh.”

    President Obama calling himself a “mutt,” IMO, and laughing to himself about it I can (sorta) get to–President Obama, in that moment, was being self-deprecating. But I get the sneaky feeling that if someone rolled up to the good president and came out of zie’s mouth like that Kirk did to Spock, he certainly wouldn’t “just laugh.” He might dust off his sleeve and shoulder to show how petty the statement–and the person making it–was. He might even give a good verbal beatdown. But *laugh* while someone’s insulting his momma and daddy? Nah.

    I understand what Greenwald was attempting to do with the piece but, once again, Salon gets racial analysis all wrong and, as a consequence, flattens Obama again. (”He’s all brain! No emotion!” And that “exploring new worlds” line in the piece? Seriously?) Considering the ridiculousness wrapped in praise, I’m sorta surprised the byline didn’t say “Erin Aubry Kaplan.”:P

    As for Uhura’s fresh ‘do–it’s the 23rd century. I think they may have invented some Fresh ‘Do Do-Hickey by that point. :D

  8. Kat wrote:

    I do find it odd that Uhura is the only one who isn’t facing the viewer head-on…

    Mmmm, Benjamin Sisko. I was young enough when DS9 aired to have a big ol’ crush on Jake! I always liked Bashir as well.

    I agree with others that although the racial politics of Star Trek were always pretty fucked up (Klingons being the “black race” who were constantly aggressive, rude and clinging to “primitive” practices being the most obvious example), seeing people of various ethnicities on TV was really important.

    Who can forget Geordi La Forge (Kunta Kinte!!), and of course Whoopi!

  9. David Cone wrote:

    If Chappelle were still doing his show, he could do a GREAT take-off on the new Star Trek movie by injecting Clayton Biggsby and/or Ashy Larry and/or Tyrone Biggums onto the bridge. ;-)

    It wouldn’t be Farrakhan taking over the Enterprise like he did on “In Living Colour’s” offering, but it would sure be funny…..

    Between Thelma from “Good Times,” Lynda Carter from “Wonder Woman” and Uhura from “Star Trek,” somewhere in there is where I got my first chest hair from. ;-)

  10. Tracey wrote:

    I love, love, love, Star Trek. I’m worried about this new movie though. If it’s bad I’m crying.
    I also enjoy how TOS had a show representing the problems of racial segregation and war in an episode where the inhabitants of an entire planet killed each other off because there was fighting between the half-blacks (black on right side, white on left) and half-whites (opposite). There was also TNG where they made an allusion to LGBT persecution in an episode where this group of aliens were completely androgynous accept for a small minority who felt gendered. The gendered ones were re-educated. They also have quite a lot of episodes showing the futility of war and how it can get out of hand. There is the one interview where Nichols describes it as a morality show, which it did try to be at times.
    @ Erica: I think it’s because she is the only female. So she has to look bad ass but in a sexy way. I mean a woman looking tough without a sexy edge?!!! That is one place advertisers and movie makers seem unwilling to go boldly.
    @Jadey: No replicators? I was confused by that episode where those fast reproducing furry creatures take over the ship and I thought things really got out of hand because they ended up in replicators?

  11. SusanC wrote:

    @Erica I saw the movie, and I didn’t think Uhura’s character was portrayed in that way at all. She came off as very intelligent & determined.

    Also, it was interesting to see how Spock was treated by the other Vulcans when he was younger due to his mixed heritage.

    Overall, I thought they did a great job revitalizing the franchise. I really liked this movie and as a fan of TOS, thought they did fabulous on recasting those characters. (though I was doubtful at first, Simon Pegg was an awesome Scottie)

  12. Jehanzeb wrote:

    I was never into “Star Trek,” in fact, I was conditioned to hate it because I was a die-hard “Star Wars” nerd. Every day in middle-school, my fellow “Star Wars” geeks would engage in intense debates and arguments with the Trekkies who sat on the other side of the lunch table.

    Because of this, I have never seen a single “Star Trek” movie. Now that I am older, I had to admit that the trailer for the new “Star Trek” movie looks pretty cool. I have only just begun to realize how diverse their cast is (not just in this film, but in their other movies and television shows, particularly Voyager and Deep Space Nine). I still haven’t fully watched a “Star Trek” movie or episode, but after reading this post, I’m curious to see how people of color are portrayed.

    But that inner geek is making me feel like I’m betraying “Star Wars” if I say anything positive about “Star Trek.” Ha! :P

  13. Eva wrote:

    “I think the Klingons were originally supposed to be the the Russians then morphed into a representation of black people. I think the Vulcans and Romulans were supposed to be Asians.”

    I watched TOS when I was a child in 1966. It was very revolutionary, I was amazed to see a black woman on the bridge, an officer.

    Originally, the Klingons were supposed to be the Russians, however when TNG came on, Michael Dorn, a black man, played Worf, that meant they had to find another black person to play his brother (Tony Todd) and so it went. I don’t think it was intentional for the Klingons to be black people. But when I was a teenager in the 70’s, we all thought the Vulcans were supposed to be Asians, so you’re right on that one.

  14. Eva wrote:

    One more thing, the Vulcans and the Romulans were originally one people. I can’t remember why they split up. I do remember the Vulcans believed in logic while the Romulans didn’t.

  15. Fiqah wrote:

    Wow. Someone actually (indirectly) referenced Tribbles. On a Racialicous thread.

    ::: touches heart :::

    I’m…home.

    ::: sniffle :::

  16. Dane wrote:

    I don’t see anything wrong with the promotional pic. I don’t think she looks like the ship’s whore or anything else. She doesn’t look any less determined. Maybe she went for that pose because she’s the only female on the pic. Her look is just as fierce and determined as any other…it just has another tilt to it.
    Even if she is looking sultry or sexy why does that call for the word whore?

    Can a black woman be sultry without conjuring up some notion of whorishness?

    Anyhow, I am a big Trek fan–can’t wait to see the movie this Saturday.

  17. Fiqah wrote:

    Also, @LDP:

    “Now, here’s my question: Did anyone ever figure out how Uhara got her hair done in the 23th century? Is there some fly black girl hair device that keeps it fresh in space?”

    Mad. At. YOU!

    (Weekend note: This wondrous item is being sold somewhere on 125th Street. Find it, and super-duper future fly space hair is yours!)

  18. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Fiqah –

    LOL, you know I had to go there. My hair is a mess when there’s too little/too much humidity, so I KNOW artificial gravity has got to wreak havoc on our hair!

  19. Elaine wrote:

    This is sort of non star trek related, but weren’t lucille balle and desi arnaz prone to kissing on their show? wouldn’t they have had an interracial kiss?

  20. watson wrote:

    I am the only one I know who feels this way, but I am a little annoyed John Cho is playing Sulu. Sulu is Japanese-American, and John Cho is Korean-American. It feels like an “all-look-same” sort of thing. Particularly since a Russian-American actor is playing Chekov, and a Brit (though not a Scot, which any Scot will tell you is a big difference) is playing Scotty. Though I suppose the same complaint could be made about Zoe Saldana playing Uhura so maybe I’m getting my back up for nothing.

  21. atlasien wrote:

    “Sulu is Japanese-American, and John Cho is Korean-American.”

    Honestly, I always disagree with complaints about cross-ethnic casting for Asian-Americans.

    I think the number one goal should be getting more Asian-American representations out there and building up recognizable, talented, versatile Asian-American stars (like John Cho). There are few enough roles for Asian-American actors without restricting them by ethnicity.

    I also think its an unrealistic and unfairly strict standard for Asians as opposed to white people. I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio isn’t restricted to roles for Italian- or German-Americans.

    Finally, Koreans and Japanese really do look the same (at the point when people mean that they are the same, that’s when the racism comes in). My Japanese father has been mistaken for Korean by Koreans, for example.

    I saw the movie last night and thought it was pretty good. I especially liked the planetary drill swordfighting stuff! The alternate universe / time travel stuff was laid on a bit too thick though. I would have preferred replacing some of the plot twist expositions with more action scenes or character development.

  22. Erica wrote:

    @Dane — No, duh, a sultry black woman is not a whore. However, when her face is “come hither” and the other crew members all look quite normal, it puts her in the place of being the sexy eye candy rather than a professional member of the team. (Heck, if anyone was ship’s whore, it was Kirk, anyway.)

    My problem with the image is that she’s being made to look different because she’s the only woman on the bridge crew; giving her that expression diminishes the respect she deserves for being on the cutting edge of space exploration. It’s not an interpretation of Uhura that I agree with.

    @Susan C — thanks for the reassurance :)

  23. Dane wrote:

    I didn’t interpret the look as come hither. I just thought she looked like she was saying “test me if you dare.” So maybe that’s why I didn’t have the same reaction to it.

  24. Erica wrote:

    Maybe I’m overreading it because she’s surrounded by a bunch of guys; it would look different if she had that expression just all on her own. I dunno, it struck a nerve. Sorry :)

  25. Jehanzeb wrote:

    I agree with Erica. She definitely has the “come hither” and “seductress” look to her.

  26. lizriz wrote:

    Just jumping on to point out that Uhura and Spock stand directly behind Kirk, and both are therefore somewhat eclipsed by him. Uhura in her stance and Spock literally by a shadow. Like it or not, that’s the price to be paid for standing right behind Kirk. ;)

    As for casting, I think it’s too much to expect roles to be exactly cast down precise ethic lines. You’ve got to leave some room for casting the best performance. John Cho is an Asian actor playing an Asian. I suspect that’s not a “they all look alike” thing, but rather a result of being open to casting the best Asian actor for the role.

  27. SarahNicole wrote:

    DS:9 wins as the best of the Trek series overall, although I *hated* what the Dax character became after Terry Farrell left. I watched and mostly liked Voyager, but had to stop watching when it became Seven of Nine in a Catsuit every week. I couldn’t bring myself to watch Enterprise after the first episode — I couldn’t listen to that cheesy ass theme song every week.

    Best TOS-influenced memory from childhood: my aunt’s middle school friends wanting to examine my face to see if I would be half black and half white, as per the series. These must have been the most ignant girls in the world.

    And, we used to use my grandmother’s electric organ as the bridge and Uhura’s station in particular. :-D

    Michael Dorn rules.

  28. sejw wrote:

    @ watson and atlasien re: Sulu.

    An interview w/John Cho in which he explores this same issue: http://www.hollywoodtoday.net/2009/04/11/star-treks-cho-speaks-out-on-hollywood/

    Apparently Sulu was meant to represent the entire Asian community (according to Gene Roddenberry).

  29. Nina wrote:

    I wouldn’t say Uhura’s look is sultry, come hither or seductive. I would say that ANY expression of aggression or power in a female is interpreted as sexual. ANY female gaze that is strong and direct is “come hither”. Not totally the fault of the photograph, but also our inability to read such expressions as anything but sexual and to interpret female power in nonsexual ways.

  30. Aishtamid wrote:

    I think Star Trek became more and more sexualized as time went on. The original Star Trek and TNG had very little sex or love in them. But I think Star Trek has an important place in pop culture. It’s among the only optimistic views of our future, where we have solved pretty much all of our problems. I’d like to think that’s what will happen.

    As far as Uhura goes, each of the new Trek series found someone to sexualize and I don’t know if that was about Uhura being the black one. In the original series, her smooch with William Shatner was TV’s first interracial kiss and one of the only love scenes in the whole original series.

  31. vodalus wrote:

    After careful examination and waffling, I too think that Uhura has a sultry expression in that picture. But boy howdy so does Kirk. His face says to me “Come. I have something to show you; it is in my bed with the silk sheets.” Its the little smirk… and the fact that it’s KIRK with a smirk.

    Anyways, I think that the mini-debate over Uhura’s expression is a bit interesting. I mean, as she’s a black woman, the “super-sexy” stereotype is undesirable. But as a woman in a technical science-related job, the “asexual” stereotype is also undesirable. Its hard to establish either of these from a single still photo, but it is interesting.

    Hrm, another thought. I was never a huge fan, so I might be wrong, but shouldn’t “second billing” be for Spock and McCoy? I can rationalize the ordering of the faces as “not wanting to demonstrate the hierarchy” and “not wanting to have symmetrical POC”, but it is interesting that they chose to move Uhura forward one step and not Sulu. Its particularly interesting when one considers that John Cho is much more high profile than Zoe Saldana. I’m hoping that this means she gets a more influential role in the movie than she had on the show!

  32. pm wrote:

    @Erica

    I can’t tell whether there’s anything out-of-place about Uhuru’s facial expression or not (I guess I’m not very good at reading facial signals), but the picture is asymmetrical because everyone else is looking straight at the viewer while Uhura is clearly peeking out from behind Kirk – and hence her face is at an angle.

    Honestly it looks like the rest are crowding her out of the shot and she’s having to poke her head through to get in the picture at all.

    The lads are trying to squeeze her out! Perhaps they’re trying to tell us something?

    (I’ve never been a fan of Star Trek, but the original series has a retro, period-piece, campy comfort viewing quality to it.)

  33. Daniel wrote:

    I’m also a trekkie and a huge sci-fi fan. Haven’ t seen the movie yet, maybe much later on. It’s pretty cool because this media franchise is one of the few where we did get that wide range of minority characters with quite a lot of depth in their acting…relatively speaking. I watched and enjoyed/disliked parts of all the series, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise plus the movies.

    I think if Star Trek does get revitalized, the series will change in a way that might reflect more of the demographic variety (not just people but in terms of different cultures, religions, philosophies) of today. It’s done that before of course, but I suspect it will change further.

    The strange thing about these science fiction shows is that we know it’s fake but compared with other genres, the acting and mini-plots make it quite realistic. Half of the time it’s just drama with a space background. Pretty good drama as they don’t hide the mundane parts plus flaws and “amoral” traits of their characters. At least, it’s what I think.

  34. Michele wrote:

    Aishtamid, Captain Kirk was always making out with some woman in the original series. Even Spock made out with a woman a couple of times. You are mistaken.

  35. Michelle wrote:

    Re: Uhuru looking come hither.

    Got a point. However, Zoe Saldana looks like that pretty much all the time. And she acts like that through out the whole movie. It is possible that someone said look serious and that is what came out. She is a sexy girl.

    I saw the movie last night and I thought it was awesome. I thought it was FREAKING awesome. I am a not a Trekkie, but my mom is and so I have been living with these movies and series since birth. I think that they are incredible progressive, especially in context to the greater state of film and television for actors and actresses of color.

    And you know that in the future, some one will come up with a shot that will genetically alter the hair texture of Black women. You know that! Anti-gravity, wind, helmets, rain and humidity will be forever conquered!

  36. Celeste wrote:

    Yeah, why did the uniform on Seven have to be so tight, yeesh. I remember my male buddies nicknaking her “tits”. I also totally did not buy her and Chokotay getting together. I think Kim would have been a better choice especially since she came onto him earlier in the series. At least Kim got to have a interrupted 3-some with the succubus aliens. Enterprise was even worse with nipply T’pol trying to seduce Flox. Either way I don’t need soft porn with my Star Trek, unless it’s actually Star Trek porn which I don’t think exists.

  37. Celeste wrote:

    @Sarah nicole: Yeah, that song was awful. It was half the reason why I didn’t watch.

  38. Aishtamid wrote:

    Oops, just saw the part where Shatner-Nichols wasn’t the first interracial kiss on TV. It stands as the first white male black female interracial kiss though.

  39. socgrad wrote:

    For an overly close reading of the promotional picture… I think Uhura is in profile in the picture because she’s female (rather than black female specifically). Nearly all the characteris in the picture are posing with a “determined / strong” look. Hell, Kirk looks like he’s about to start growling! Having her pose fully facing the camera with a determined look most likely would have been considered too intimidating for (male) viewers. Placing her in profile (with her head tilted down slightly) allows her to give a look that can be seen as either /both determined and alluring (depending on the viewer).

    Compare her with the guy behind Cho. His face is also at an angle to the camera and tilted down slightly. However, with his upraised eyebrows, he is defintely presenting as determined / scared (a fairly weak presentation compared to the other characters).

    Anyway, considering how much TOS was about Kirk, Spock, and Bones, it’s interesting to see Uhura placed in a prominent position in the picture. Hopefully it reflects a beefed up role for her character in the movie.

    BTW, I’m a big Trek fan and am kind of anxious about this “re-booting”. Even with real problems in race representation, Star Trek (most incarnations) was miles ahead of other sci fi shows on including minority characters.

  40. Eva wrote:

    @Aishtamid

    Actually TOS was more sexualized than TNG. On TOS nearly every other week Kirk was with a different woman, and the episode always ended with him leaving her. There was on scene when Kirk kissed a woman after she said, “what is this thing called, a kiss?”

  41. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Sulu got to shine in the later movies and associated novels and comic books. He becomes Captain of the USS Excelsior, equal in rank to Kirk and Spock.

    Not so with Uhura, who pretty much remained a token black and woman. Given her rank and position, she should’ve been fourth in command after Scotty. But she never led anything exception one mission in the animated series.

    Bernardi’s book is worth reading if you’re a fan of “Star Trek” and racial politics. Some of his analyses are flawed, but some are spot-on. He nails the problems with the TOS episode “The Paradise Syndrome”:

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/05/noble-savages-in-paradise-syndrome.html

    Incidentally, the most common theory of the Romulans’ origin goes as follows:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulan

    The Romulans began as a revolutionary group of Vulcans who called themselves “those who march beneath the Raptor’s wings” and refused to accept the Vulcan philosopher Surak’s teachings of complete suppression of emotions. Around AD 400, the dissident group split off from Vulcan society and began the long journey to the planet Romulus.

  42. bradski wrote:

    Jadey,

    I think you really don’t understand Trek if you believe the underlying message was about whites being able to go wherever they want and take what they want.

    Trek culture is built on the Prime Directive, which anti-colonial. The United Federation of Planet’s law forbids contact with non-developed societies.

    As for blacks being cast as aliens in science fiction being a trope, you are surely mistaken. Quite the opposite is true. It was only with the introduction of Star Trek the Next Generation did black aliens take place. In the original Trek, all of the human aliens were white actors. In Next Gen, Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, etc. all gained actors of color.

    You may want to look over the reaction when Tuvok, a black Vulcan was introduced.

    Moreover, in Next Gen, Deep Space Nine and Voyager, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, and Latinos were given more significant roles.

    (Side Note: One unfortunate side effect of having casting Michael Dorn as Lt. Worf, Trek’s first black Klingon, is that opened the door for the creation of the brown noble savage archetype that has plagued the Stargate series with Teal’c and Ronan. For the first few years of Next Gen, Worf was portrayed as aggressive but as the series progressed Worf was allowed to grow and continued to do so on Deep Space Nine.)

    The last Trek show, Enterprise, however, was the worst of the bunch in terms of diversity. Starfleet leadership was all-white and male and the two minority cast members didn’t get much air time.

  43. PPR_Scribe wrote:

    So looking forward to this.

    I do not know, however, if I will be able to get Sylar out of my mind as I watch Spock…

  44. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    P.S. Good point about Ricky and Lucy Ricardo kissing. I guess TV historians are counting him as a “white” Cuban–hence not a member of another race.

  45. Dorian wrote:

    @29: The scene between Uhura and Kirk was NOT a love scene at all. To remember the episode correctly, the whole thing was forced by the elitist inhabitants of the planet who claimed to live by the standards of Greek philosopher Plato. Kirk and Uhura didn’t love each other, they were forced to play a loving couple by supernatural powers.
    Anyway, it really WAS the first interracial kiss in U.S. television history.
    But it certainly was not the only love scene in TOS. There were a lot of other (so to speak) real love scenes. Kirk was, in fact, a bit of a Don Juan, and even McCoy and Spock found their love matches in the series. LOVE (and naturally sexuality) had and has always a wide space in Star Trek!
    But I never got the feeling that any of the women in the shows or the films were “over-sexualized”. Of course some approaches can be argued with, but with ST it was never that bad as in many other films and shows. Even “Seven of Nine” (to whom I was very opposed in the first place) was a dish to watch, and overall Jery Ryan is a great actress, one of the best in that show VOY.
    Yep, you’re right, ST was and is almost the only optimistic view of the future in SF – not only TV or film but all SF. That’s one of the major reasons why I love Star Trek so much.

  46. Zahra wrote:

    My heart belongs to DS9, the series that I filled its human parts with actors of color, gave its one playing-white lead an ethnicity, and cast white people as aliens…

    …but I am going to give in to the hype and see this movie. The reviews are just too good. What I want to know is, how is Tyler Perry’s performance? And how is he situated? I picture him as a Starfleet officer and…well, static overtakes my brain.

  47. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Some thoughts on “Star Trek’s” colonialism or lack thereof:

    http://www.baas.ac.uk/resources/usstudiesonline/article.asp?us=4&id=13

    Star Trek’s effort to produce an environment of equality and pluralism in space fails because it uses the assimilationist model for the Federation—described as ‘a homo sapiens only club’ by the Klingon Ambassador’s daughter in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country [1991]. Any ‘alien’ that comes in contact with the organisation, or even the minority members of the cast, is made subordinate to a self-evident superiority. Newfield and Gordon (1996: 81) call this sort of assimilationism ‘assimilationist pluralism’ because it insists on conformity to the core even if it professes its belief in plurality. Henceforth Star Trek’s ‘IDIC’ ideology assumes then that everyone is equal in their diverse attributes but only if they are willing to accept the white dominated cultural control that the Federation symbolises. Star Trek’s multiculturalism is a fallacy and yet because it is assumed that Star Trek mediates a positive multicultural message, the thin layer of racial stereotyping and inequality is hidden.

  48. atlasien wrote:

    @Zahrea: (lightbulb goes off) At one point in the movie most people in the audience started laughing hysterically and I had no idea why. I just now got it… that must have been when Tyler Perry came on. It was just a cameo, really, it didn’t stand out much.

  49. Tony wrote:

    I saw the movie earlier today, I loved it.
    I’ve been a trekkie since I was a very little child (I was only about 6 when TNG came on, and I was already a fan of TOS)

    I think the movie did a good job getting the important-to-character stuff and left the stuff that could never fit where it belonged.

    Oh, and as Tyler Perrys role (Small SPOILERS) , he has a very small role, but he is also seemingly the highest ranking Starfleet person we see in the entire movie.

  50. Madame Zenobia wrote:

    :lol: @ Uhura gettin’ her hair ‘did’ in space. :lol:

    Ummm, I’ll just chime in to say that I am a die-hard Star Wars fan…never a Trekkie, but I’m so going to see this film!

    Thank Zachary and Zoe for the interest. :)

  51. lunanoire wrote:

    Re #27:

    There are an unknown number of people who have double the DNA- their spleen may have a different DNA from their blood. Some of them actually have skin that looks like a checkerboard in places. It’s like the person is his/her own twin, and testing their children might show a connection that appears to be an aunt or uncle relationship w/ the child instead of a parent/child relationship.

  52. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Madame Zenobia,

    I cracked up when I read your comment! Great to see fellow “Star Wars” fans here. I’m still hesitant about seeing it :(

  53. Jha wrote:

    I saw Trek last night!

    It was excellent. I was really worried that they were going to fuck up Uhura’s character into some sex kitten type, especially since I also have the same reaction some people here had re: that poster. I’m a bit sad that she took on the Token Love Interest role (but, more significantly, NOT TO KIRK, YAY), but overall, she was portrayed as strong, intelligent, dedicated to her duty, and unafraid to show off her talents. I’m gonna try to get out to see Star Trek again and then write an essay about her character portrayal in this movie, because I think it’s important.

    I find it really irritating that she’s the only woman besides Spock’s mother to have a speaking role, but nevertheless, the diversity in the movie pleased me. Also, no gratuitous sex scene here for Uhura!! Very happy about that!

    Also, John Cho with that sabre folding out was HAWT. Cho was hawt. That is all. And the boy playing Chekov just got the accent perfect and was delicious as all get out.

    Re: Bernadi’s comment on The Naked Time episode, I didn’t interpret Sulu running around with his sabre that way at all. Frankly, I was supremely tickled that he was holding a fencing sword. Gene Roddenberry originally wanted him to have a samurai sword, because Sulu is Japanese, and Takei looked at him and said, “yeah… but… I’m American.” It would’ve been stereotypical to have had Sulu with a samurai sword. (In another episode, Sulu’s chased by a samurai. It was also supremely funny to have him run to Kirk and shout, “CAPTAIN! THERE’S A SAMURAI AFTER ME!!”)

    Also, he does try to put his arm around Uhura in The Naked Time, saying, “I’ll save you, fair maiden!” and Uhura has this ‘wtf are you crazy’ annoyed look on her face and pushes away his arm, saying, “Sorry, neither!” That moment has stayed with me since and made Uhura one of my definite role models.

    Anyways, Kirk is even more of an asshole in this movie than he ever was in the series. God damn Hollywood and its fucking Goldenboy Straight White Male Hero adoration.

  54. vodalus wrote:

    As for “The Naked Time”, I remember that episode solely for Sulu’s naked pecs and ripped abdomen. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t that have predated Bruce Lee in terms of “Look at the muscles on this guy!” Takei was built, y’all–and looked worlds better than Kirk sans shirt.

    Speaking of that asshole Kirk, its simultaneously nice and awful to learn that the character must have mellowed as he aged. (lol) It would have been sad if he started out as humble and sensitive to others. I don’t know, maybe I’ve got my impression of the fanbase all wrong, but I’m pretty sure that we loved Kirk because he was so insufferable. Oh….. I suddenly realize that I suffer from the hipster irony addiction and that’s just why I liked Kirk.

    (Can I mention how awesome it is to see such a strong overlap between SciFi/StarTrek love with taking an anti-racist stance? Its a nice counterpoint to the usual trope about geeks all being insensitive white dudes.)

  55. Michelle wrote:

    I was one of two Black women in the entire theater and when I saw Tyler Perry I said “Is that Tyler Perry” really loud and really inappropriately. Couldn’t help it.

    He was a’ight, but he didn’t have (thankfully) a lot to do!

    And when it comes to the Star Trek world, I thought that there was an episode where we find out that all the worlds share a group of ancestors that spread their DNA everywhere, which is why everyone can procreate. So, where does that fit in with the racial overtones of the series/movies?

    And I loved that Spock and Uhura had a relationship! Spock got the girl! And Kirk was just this marginalized boy toy when it came to relationships! I thought it was cool!

  56. Lyonside wrote:

    Haven’t seen, but I’m planning to soon, at which time I hope to join in the General Squee :)

    One quick note:

    >(Side Note: One unfortunate side effect of having casting Michael Dorn as Lt. Worf, Trek’s first black Klingon, is that opened the door for the creation of the brown noble savage archetype that has plagued the Stargate series with Teal’c and Ronan

    Bradski, I’m pretty sure the brown noble savage in scifi didn’t START in the 1980s with TNG. It’s been around for a while.

  57. bradski wrote:

    Saw Trek last night. The movie belonged to Spock and Uhura. Kirk was a cocky jerk. There was nothing great about him.

    The character who had the great intellectual and moral journey in the film was Spock, not Kirk, who pretty much stays the same jerk throughout the film. I see no reason why he was named captain of the Enterprise. What did he do that was so great?

    Now let’s talk serious problems with the film:

    Spoilers!!!
    1. Nero decides to vengeance against the planet Vulcan instead of eliminating the star that will one day nova and destroy Romulus?

    2. Why is Earth, the capital planet of the Federation defenseless? Seriously, why is there no planetary defense system?

    3. Why is Nero’s mining ship heavily armed with photon torpedoes? I’ve heard that the comic book prequel explains this but it’s incredibly lazy film-making to not explain this in the film.

    4. The Starship Kelvin crashes into Nero’s ship and there’s no damage to Nero’s ship? Why doesn’t the Federation send other ships to take on Nero?

    5. Vulcan was a more advanced society than Earth with its own military, why would there not be more Vulcan ships protecting the planet?

    6. Um, given that Vulcan had warp drive for over a 100 years before Earth, shouldn’t there be other Vulcan colonies?

    Logic? Logic? Logic?

  58. Tony wrote:

    Kirk was the one who warned the Enterprise what was going on and all, he’s really the one who put together the plan to, you know, help save Earth instead of meeting with the other ships.

    As to the other questions

    1-I kind of assumed he did take care of it, it just wasn’t mentioned.
    Or he was going to take care of it after he took out the Federation. (He had several hundred years to do it)

    2-Earth did have defenses around the perimeter, that’s why Nero needed the codes from Pike.
    I’m guessing that the earth itself didn’t have a load of defenses on the sort of Trojan strategy.

    If it’s got past the walls, we’re already screwed.

    3-If you’re a ship in the Trek world of any time, what with tons of possible rogue threats, I’d think every ship would have Torpedos.

    4-There was damage to Neros ship, I seem to recall a decent series of explosions.
    I figured the people in the shuttles thought it was destroyed.

    5-I figured it was a sort of similar trojan thing, “We’ll see an attack coming”.
    I know I’m using a quite loaded analogy here, but the Federation is used to old-style war.
    “I declare war on you”
    Nero was more, well, a terrorist. He comes out of nowhere and strikes without warning.

    6-The Vulcans were never really ‘explorer’ types, it fits that they’d mostly stick close to home.

  59. honeybrown1976 wrote:

    The first interracial kiss was not between Kirk and Uhura. Seriously, people, do you deny the first interracial couple – Desi and Lucy Arnaz? “I Love Lucy”, anyone?

  60. Persephone wrote:

    Spoilers ahoy:

    I loved that Uhura was the first person to notice the distress call, and that there was something fishy about it — and nobody listened to her until it was too late. True to life much? I also thought her relationship with Spock was awesome and sexy, and clearly built on an intellectual as well as a physical connection.

    I will admit that when Sulu said his first name I was confused for a second. I never watched the original series, so I didn’t know that he was supposed to be Japanese, and for a second I was like “that guy isn’t Japanese!” and then something was blowing up and I forgot about it.

    And I like that Uhura had a sassy green friend, rather than being the sassy black friend. :D

  61. Jha wrote:

    bradski: Other problems also include -

    7. Why is the council away from the town when the black hole happens? And why are they praying around a giant statue? Is that canon?

    8. More importantly, why the hell was Spock’s mom among them? Vulcans were notoriously xenophobic, it makes no sense that they would have included a human in what appears to be one of their most sacred rituals. I know there’s the whole WIR factor, but still.

    9. HOW HOW HOW DID KIRK STILL GET TO BE CAPTAIN?

    10. This is the future and we still don’t have proper centralized education for children to not get into trouble (and accidentally destroy their [step]parents’ cars)??

    However, I disagree that it belonged to Spock and Uhura only. It also belonged to McCoy (we applauded when he said, “I’m a doctor, not a physicist!”), Chekov, Sulu and Scotty.

    And Spock Prime.

  62. foshothoyo wrote:

    @Jadey and Rob Smith: COSIGN.

    Though better than george lucas’s obvious racial-stereotype-aliens, Star Trek, while groundbreaking in its time, falls short of post-colonialism ideals. Even THAT far in the future. Back in the beginning, all of the aliens served to represent something in the present. (I think the klingons were russian communists at the time).

    Like most other shows, it was meant to promote the United States’ fantasy of itself in the wake of the moon landing, assuming that the US would essentially take over the world and become the Federation.

    Deep Space Nine was by far the best in the series (imo) both in terms of non-racialization of aliens. Just in every way, DS9 was so much more interesting than the others to me just because of it’s being a true hub for internationals, *cough* i mean, “aliens”.

    Star Trek’s politics have always been quite incomplete, which I’m sure hasn’t been remedied even by JJ Abrams, who I am a big fan of. But hey, they know what sells, and what can’t be digested by the “mainstream”. They do have to make money, after all.

  63. Mahsino wrote:

    I just got back from seeing the movie.

    Quick summary: It was awesome.

    The handling of race was pretty good (it didn’t feel like they tried to “blacken up” Uhura, Sulu looked mighty fine and kicked ass). They didn’t feel the need to acknowledge the “novelties” of the interracial dating angles- which was nice.

    It also redeemed my faith in Zachary Quinto’s acting abilities- through now that I’ve seen what he could do, I’m even more disappointed by Heroes.

  64. Kendra wrote:

    For about two hours I contemplated whether or not I should see the movie. The prominence of a Spock/Uhura romance, Zachary Quinto and the possibility of sequels are what made me ride my bike for twenty minutes to get to the theater. I was so happy. Couldn’t shut up all too much throughout the film.

    God, I hate Kirk. Such a cocky bastard, I mean, how the hell does he even qualify as a captain? And I’m glad someone else mentioned this: why did the council of elders stand around that stupid rock as their world was caving in on itself? And yeah . . . unless Spock’s father has a whole lotta clout, it wouldn’t make much sense for his wife to be a part of that select group of elders. They never explained her involvement.

    Oh, and I noticed that Sulu was using what seemed to be a katana. I was hoping for a fencing sword to avoid another can of worms. George Takei had a better approach, in my opinion, in the original series.

    Looks like Kirk is going to be even more of a horn dog in the later films. The guy never learned much of anything, only had his prejudgments and prior values and instincts validated throughout the film . . . but then, that scene between him and Spock concerning Uhura’s first name–Nyota (sp?) if you’re wondering–gave me the giggles. I just love Quinto’s portrayal of Spock.

    The movie could definitely improve in terms of diversity, especially where female speaking parts and the roles of men and women of color are concerned. We may not always pass the Bechdel Test, but dammit give the girls a gun or two.

    Out of the entire film you had only one female character with a constant presence: Uhura. Kirk’s mom gets about ten minutes of fame, Spock’s mom is officially dead, green girl is on a different ship (perhaps we’ll see her again) and no nurse Chapel. (Was Chapel really mentioned only in name?)

    Since this movie portrays an alternate universe, Chapel’s role will likely be different if she ever manifests as an actual character.

    On the issue of Chapel’s character, her original actress died last year. So . . . if she’s to be portrayed, the decision may be left up to Majtel’s will or anyone with deciding power over the creative property of Roddenberry (or his will).

  65. Jha wrote:

    Kendra: I, too, giggled at Kirk’s double-take at Spock macking with Uhura. It felt like poetic justice.

    God, Kirk was such an asshole. I mean, I know he’s supposed to always have been one and mellowed out as he grew older, but still, what a jackass.

  66. Liz L wrote:

    I absolutely loved Uhura in the film- brilliant, strong, both book and people smart. But did we really (really!?!) have to keep the miniskirts?

    The rest of the movie’s look seemed to avoid kitschy 60s styling in favor of a style better described as “recognizable Enterprize (great bridge noises!) but modern feel”. That being the case, why would you hamper Uhura and all those officers with the shortest freaking skirts on the face of the planet? Kind of hard to fix the warp drive when bending over makes you NSFW…

    If I spoke all three Romulan dialects fluently, there’s no way I’d let someone put me in the that uniform.

  67. Tracey wrote:

    Loved it loved it loved it. And I was hoping that was not TP, but it was and I am sad. He is not worthy he is not worthy. I was annoyed that Uhura was a love interest and don’t think the love story fit the personality of the two characters later.
    RE her hair:
    I was thinking about it and came to the conclusion of a hot comb and Wily Wonka-Al Sharpton Everlasting Hair holding and ant-frizz gel being invented in the next 100yrs.
    Siller as Spock makes sense but it was kinda distracting. By the way. I do not like Tyler Perry. Did I mention that?
    @Jha: #10. Are you kidding? Given the current attitudes towards education I won’t be surprised if the Libertarians have had their way and made it privatized and non-compulsory.

  68. Jha wrote:

    Liz L: I wondered why they didn’t keep the uniforms that were used in the Enterprise series – those were infinitely more practical. The only upshot of having those silly uniforms is that you can see how many women there are among the cadets, and it was a decent number.

    Tracey: But this is supposed to be a utopic society! (Also, it was already quite clear that whole families lived on board and were educated in general daycare centers, so having Kirk’s mom being off-planet was a bit confusing to me.)

  69. Luis wrote:

    Why does it feel like this movie employed more people of color than anything non-Tyler Perry related in the last five years? Great for Star Trek, sad for Hollywood… The success of this one makes a trilogy likely, so at least all the actors will get a few more years of work.

    I though Uhura was especially well rendered. Instead of just picking up the phone, like in TOS, she was actually doing some heavy lifting in terms of technical work. Saldana (yeah dominicanas!) also played up Uhura’s poise and professionalism really well. Her personality really matched up well with Spock. Both professional, striving to be the best, but also privately maintaining a loving relationship (no dysfunctional drama in an on-screen interracial relationship, what?).

    Plus, the Spock-Uhura kids are going to be a multiracial, bi-species* force to be reckoned with…

    *If Vulcans and Humans can reproduce, they must be the same species, but… hey, it’s sci fi, right? I remember some sort of half-baked explanation involving “Ancients” and “seeding”…

  70. Falyne wrote:

    I have to say, I loved the movie very much. I was another more-of-a-Star-Wars fan, but, yeah, this movie was awesome.

    The one scene in the movie that kinda rubbed me the wrong way, though, was when Chekov tries to log in to the ships comm, and the way he pronounced “victor” was played for laughs (and a failed login). That was kind of a, ehhh, what, the way ‘other’ (in this case, Russian) ethnic groups speak English is funny? Bleh.

  71. Falyne wrote:

    @Luis,

    I actually had a bit of an out-loud overthink at the folks I was at the theater with about Vulcan reproduction. Especially with OldSpock encouraging YoungSpock to stay with the Federation rather than help rebuild the Vulcans; did this imply that OldSpock was still, as they say, ‘fully functional’? Because otherwise, YoungSpock really should at least donate genetic material to help save the endangered species…

  72. Lyonside wrote:

    haven’t seen yet, but so long as Spock 2.0 still has a human mom, then Spock/Uhura doesn’t add another ’species.’

    I will say this, though – this may be the first human/nonhuman pairing in Trek where the human (or in this case fully human) one isn’t played by a white actor (implying whiteness as the norm and browness as the alien-other).

  73. Kendra wrote:

    Luis: You read my mind. I swear, I was thinking toward the end that this was the height of on-screen diversity in film this year. Unless we get another Batman or something this may be it . . .

    Also, I was under the impression that interspecies breeding could be done, but only with certain pairs. For instance, if you’re trying to get a mule, you mate a male donkey with a female horse. The opposite mixing is a little less common and results in a different hybrid: a hinny. (Hinny usually has underdeveloped reproductive system and is thus infertile.)

    I’m assuming there are few chromosomal differences between humans and Vulcans, so if Uhura and Spock decided to have children it could be done. (That’s like saying if a human mated with a primate it could be done . . . but of course this is not to be tried due to its unethical nature.) I’m guessing this pairing will only be seen with a male Vulcan–or male Vulcan half-breed–and a female human.

    I’m really hoping for some academy flashbacks. I want to know how their relationship developed . . . just a ‘lil bit.

  74. Kendra wrote:

    Oh, and I’m probably off on my assumptions concerning interspecies breeding, but I’m guessing it could happen in the movie series if Spock and Uhura’s relationship continues.

  75. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    I think the ST novels have said humans and Vulcans (or any two humanoid races) can reproduce only with a lot of genetic engineering. Which would make sense since Vulcans have copper-based blood and a different internal anatomy.

    Recall that Roddenberry originally described “Star Trek” as a “Wagon Train to the stars.” Ask American Indians if they think that’s a colonialist premise or not.

    Despite the Federation’s message of inclusiveness, the vast majority of its decision-makers are human and about half of those are white males. As the Klingon said, it really is a homo sapiens club.

  76. Jha wrote:

    Falyne: Chekov spoke like that in the original series as well. Certainly it was played up for laughs, but the rest of the movie, Chekov really held his own, so to me it felt more of a one-off, affectionate nod to the original series’ Chekov.

  77. Tracey wrote:

    @Falyne: “did this imply that OldSpock was still, as they say, ‘fully functional’” Probally, b/c I think by Vulcan standards he was middle aged at best though it still doesn’t make sense cause he looked older ( In Voyager Tuvok is over 100 but doesn’t look 40).
    @Jha: yeah, I was kinda joking. Star Trek has universal childcare and education in every other aspect, plus who was the person whose car he took. Wouldn’t there be more than a chainlink fence guarding a never-ending drop?
    The pronunciation thing was messed up but I’ll admit I liked it because it was a cute referance to Star Trek( 4 I believe) where Chekov has a hard time w/nucleur (*Bush*) and kept replacing the n with w.

  78. Denise wrote:

    I saw ST today and I really loved it. When I left I also had the thought that this was not Kirk’s movie- it was Spocks movie. I was a fan of TNG but after watching this movie it makes me want to go back and watch TOS.

  79. Celeste wrote:

    I saw today, loved it! There were soooooo many brown people it was like…. real life. It’s amazing that you can actually have diversity in a movie *sarcasm*! Who was the captain of the Kelvin? He was nice to look at. Seeing Tyler Perry took me right out of the movie, though. They might as well had Madea as the head admiral. Who did he pay off to stink up the movie?

  80. allheavens wrote:

    Saw the film Saturday, LOVED IT!

    Tyler Perry, WTF? Did anyone notice that was Winona Ryder playing Spock’s mother. The kid from House of D and Charlie Bartlett was Chekov his name is Anton Yelchin. John Cho was the hotness.

    Kirk equals asshole always was always will be can’t fault Chris Pine, besides you have to have a rather large ego to lead people.

    Loved the Uhura and Spock relationship, this is going to be interesting. Yay, Zoe, yay Zachary both were great in their roles.

    Exhilarating film, great cast.

  81. Moon wrote:

    Even in the future,women had to wear mini uniforms. Only prob I had with Kirk/Uhuru’s kiss that it had to be forced or controlled by outside forces.

    Also I always thought of the Borg & the Ferengi as Euro-Americans. I love & still watch the original but loved SNG!

  82. gwangung wrote:

    Screenwriter John Rogers has a good analysis of why the Trek movie worked at Kung Fu Monkey.

    Loved the nods to Wrath of Khan. Liked the Uhura/Spock pairing (some folks can find support for it from the original series) and liked Sulu having a good, solid competent role.

  83. Celeste wrote:

    Really? you’re sure that was Winona?

  84. Michelle wrote:

    Definitely Winona. She had on makeup to age her up, but yup!

  85. Dee Galloway wrote:

    The following may read as if I didn’t like this film… not true! I give it two snaps up in a circle! It is a thoroughly enjoyable film AND it is problematic in a number of ways.

    @ Luis: Interesting that you saw Uhuru’s part as ” especially well rendered.” As a Black woman, I was put off by:
    1) Our first intro to her is as a FlyGirl in a bar, NOT as a serious student of linguistics.
    2) We never really see Uhuru doing her job, only talking about it.
    3) It is only after Kirk, the Great White Hope, is backed up by Spock, the Other White Hope when he tells Pike about the transmission SHE intercepted and translated that she is taken seriously…for about 20 seconds, then it’s back to the boys.
    4) The majority of her part in the movie is as the soft place Mammy spot for Spock to land.

    A couple of other troublesome bits:
    * Is it me or did the Romulans remind anyone else of the newest American boogeymen, aka the Russian mafia?
    * Did Kirk all but roll his eyes when Sulu shared that his hand combat training was fencing?
    * Who did Tyler Perry SLEEP WITH to get that central spot in the film?
    * Why is it the only other women we get introduced to is a green booty call for Kirk and Spock’s mom who is killed shortly thereafter.
    * How come ALLLLLLLLL the power people were men?

    Just askin’ . . .

  86. Tracey wrote:

    @Dee: I think he did roll his eyes. I thought it was funny. I think the implications were that Pike wanted people trained in Karate, Judo, Aikido, Capoeira, Boxing, Jiu-Jitsu, etc. Fencing is often seen as being a type of elitist martial art, not one that is believed practical in a fight. Plus, I don’t think it was revealed that he had a fold out sword until the butt-whipping began. The green woman was somewhat troublesome for me because I think the women of her species/planet/color are going to be always portrayed as hyper-sexualized.

  87. spacedcowgirl wrote:

    I loved the movie. I thought Uhura was still underutilized (seems like in general it always has to be the woman who’s taking off after her man in an extremely unprofessional manner to either look after his emotional needs or get in one last makeout session before he leaves on a treacherous mission), and like many I still hated the uniform, but they did keep the character intelligent, ambitious, and serious, so that was good.

    Regarding the publicity photo, Uhura sticks out like a sore thumb. It’s a cool photo, but I sort of can’t believe she is the ONE person in it not looking at the camera head-on and with her lips slightly parted. I don’t know how that could be interpreted other than “unthreatening sex object,” and I also fear her “promotion” was less to signal a larger role for the character and more to either mislead viewers into thinking she would be with Kirk in the movie or to put some eye candy front and center for the intended audience of the film. The rest of them are so monolithic in their pose but with different (yet in-character) expressions, which in my opinion is very effective and striking, so it’s disappointing they couldn’t have included Uhura in that pattern.

  88. Dane wrote:

    If my man was going off on a possbible suicide mission…I think I’d need to get my last kiss too. Just saying…but I see your point.

    I still don’t see why you can’t be a woman, be in love, be tough and still get the job done. I think this Uhura is definitely a step forward from the sixties. Hopefully she will get more character development in the next film.

  89. Celeste wrote:

    I didn’t have a problem with her giving immediately post genocide grieving Spock some love on the transporter pad before he goes on a suicide mission. I mean yeesh, cut the characters some slack.

  90. Jha wrote:

    Tracey: The Orion girl took me for a turn, actually, because they’ve always been depicted as hypersexual temptresses. So to have one as a Starfleet cadet (even if we do see her macking with Kirk, c’mon, students do that) was an interesting inclusion, even if it was just to propel the plot by her prodding Uhura to talk.

  91. aamer wrote:

    This movie was awesome. That said, here goes:

    Trek is ultimately the story of whiteness, with the Federation and Starfleet standing for all things liberal and democratic, assimilating and civilising other humanoids (Spock, Worf etc.) with the aim of peeling away their otherness to expose the good (white) human beneath. One big, happy multicultural fam.

    Uhura: The trailer is very tricky. It has a quick shot of Uhura taking her shirt off, very quickly cut with Kirk making out with Green Bikini Girl on the bed, done to give the impression that there will be some more Kirk-Uhura action. Not cool, cynical use of Uhura as bait for lusting fanboys, although I’m sure it was also rationalised as a way to make the Uhura-Spock thing more of a surprise.

    Sulu: Ok, so as far as I can remember, there wasn’t anything that Japanese about the original Sulu in terms of his character. He was The Asian in the United Colors of Starfleet campaign. So it doesn’t bother me so much that a good actor like John Cho was picked to rep for, um, Asia this time around on the Enterprise. Besides, JJ Abrams has done far worse -Naveen Andrews, an INDIAN, was cast as an IRAQI, an ARAB, in Lost. Grrr.
    I have to say I almost laughed out loud when Pike asks for officers with hand-to-hand combat experience and the only Asian guy in the room put his hand up. That said, the ‘fencing’ thing is funny and a nod to TOS, and it was cool to see Sulu bring the pain with his flip-out katana.

    Spock: Little Spock fighting off the bullies was the cutest thing I have seen in a long time. “This will be your 35th attempt to elicit an emotional response from me.” LOL! and the drop of green blood on his lip, nice. Spock’s inner turmoil here is pretty cool, and he clearly gives in to his emotions a lot. When Grand Old Vulcan calls his human half a disadvantage, he is pissed! I loved it when he warns Kirk: ‘out of the chair…’

    It was nice that the first Starfleet captain we see is a brown guy. It’s Faran Tahir, who you may recognise as Bad Brown Villain from the recent Iron Man movie. Yep, he played the leader of the terrorists. So props for landing a less racist role. (Um, did you know that Tom Morello from Rage Agains the Machine???!!!! played one of the brown terrorist lackeys in the same film? Yeah, WTF to the power ten.)

  92. aamer wrote:

    This interview with Professor Daniel Bernardi is awesome:

    http://startrekdom.blogspot.com/2007/06/prof-daniel-bernardi-on-star-trek-and.html

    “Trek does not challenge the myth of a white race; it perpetuates it by defining “human” as the center of the universe, the ideal galactic species with the moral voice to press forward and expand, and white as the rightful and heroic leaders of the human race. White humans are the ideological center of the Federation, a metaphor for the United Nations. Aliens are at the periphery serving as threats to humans/Federation authority, loyal servants/side-kicks (Spock), or in the process of assimilation (Worf). The humans of color in Trek work to assimilate into whiteness. In TOS in particular, they are kept in the background as, to use the word of that day, “tokens.” They act white but look colored. When they come out center stage, so-to-speak, the are coded as different/not quite white/a problem. Trek is saying, in effect, that we can all get along so long as we aspire to be white/Federation/human.”

  93. Kendra wrote:

    I had no problem with Uhura showing affection toward Spock since it was already suggested that they had been quite familiar for some time. (Also, had I been in her shoes I probably would have done the exact same things and then some. I mean . . . my man is hurting and no one else seems to see it b/c they all think he’s so unemotional and unapproachable. Lame. Also, perhaps there is this inner realization that he and are are both marginalized, but in different ways–not so much concerning screen time, acting and speaking roles.) She seemed to be his closest connection outside of his mother and father.

    Of course, I don’t want her to be reduced to a simple love interest; I want Uhura to be involved in missions, to perhaps fight whether it be with a phaser or her fists (I almost wish that she had done more during that bar scene); I want her to utilize the skills that her character has been imbued with and what she has talked up during this prequel; I want her to be infinitely greater and more fully utilized and realized than the Uhura of the original series (I mean . . . forty plus years later and she a few lines, but a more prominent role I will admit). If she is going to be the token female, the token black–culminating the token black female–as well as the token woman of color of the main cast they had better use her and make her visibly relevant to the Enterprise but also an entity to be heeded on its own. So far they have given her more human opportunities as both a lover who takes initiative and a woman who presents herself as a socially competent and intelligent person, but more can be done. So much more.

    But Star Trek, like most of everything in this nation, has almost always been white male dominated. So I wasn’t surprised to hear that for this particular prequel there was a sex split of 40% female and 60% male viewers. (I already know the majority of viewers were white, but I know that at my school in particular some Asian American students were interested in the film due to the casting choice of John Cho. They should have given him a dagger in my opinion . . . I realize now that a fencing sword might have looked too silly . . . recalling “The Naked Time.”) They apparently have until December until the next script is written so lets’ hope for a miracle and make sure our complaints, suggestions and arguments are heard.

    And I’m all for Nichelle Nichols coming back as the current Uhura’s grandma. That would be an interesting cameo . . . I’d also wonder what words of wisdom and inspiration she could pass on to the current Uhura as a way to expand her character. And it would be cool if we had at least one or two more females making regular appearances, maybe as colleagues or a posse that Uhura normally communicates with in her downtime. I already recognize some female face from the movie: white blonde girl with an erect ponytail of sorts, at least three black girls on the main bridge (one sporting a natural), I believe a white girl with red hair seated near Uhura’s station and others. It would be nice to see more men of color outside of John Cho. I think the black male, who looks extremely familiar, from the Tobiyashi Maru simulation was seen a few times outside of that particular exam.

    Yeah . . . just needs improvement. A lot.

    And I’m glad people pointed out the white (male) and human dominance rampant in the series and movies. Talk about an assimilation model affecting an entire universe. It would really surprise me if we saw some domestic (Terran) terrorism.

  94. RCHOUDH wrote:

    I know I’m chiming in late but I just wanted to mention something I remember learning about Star Trek once in my college media studies course. My professor at the time mentioned that shows like Star Trek often had storylines based on the idea of “technological determinism”. Basically this idea meant that shows like this believed that through the advent of higher and higher levels of science and technology, human beings would automatically solve the social problems they faced be they racial, gendered, socioeconomic, etc. In other words technology alone would lead to the dissolution of racial, sexual, class, age, etc. discrimination. That is why you had humans of various cultures and backgrounds seemingly interacting in a “colorblind, genderblind” fashion on the starship. Aliens however were meant to be “othered” in the series and I find it interesting how other posters have pointed out that the Federation tries to serve on a mission to “civilize” these alien races.

    So in reality this concept of “technological determinism” has not actually resulted in the dissolution of the various racial, sexual, class, etc barriers we continue to face in the West, where the most technologically advanced countries reside. So what do we do now? Wait until humans do reach “space the final frontier” in order to finally rid ourselves of our social problems?/Sarcasm

  95. Whitney wrote:

    @Dee: This is only the first of a series of movies. It was really just to introduce Star Trek to this generation, and to make it popular again. It was mostly centered around Kirk and Spock, to see the foundations of their friendship, and to introduce the alternative timeline so they could revamp the series. I know for certain that the other characters, specifically Uhura, will be getting more screen time as we get to know their characters more. I wanted to see more of her, but there will be more films thankfully. She’s too awesome of a character not to devote more screen time to.

  96. spacedcowgirl wrote:

    Guys, I am not saying that I begrudge any IRL person showing affection to his or her love interest (especially with the extreme duress that Spock was under), just that it always seems to be the woman who does that in fictional portrayals. This is the military, basically; I can’t imagine it’s considered that normal for people to leave their work stations and run off to make out with superior officers basically in front of everyone–sure, she waited until the elevator doors were closed, but I’m sure the crew knew what was going on.

    If the roles were reversed and Uhura were the one suffering the loss of her mother and/or heading out on a dangerous mission, I can’t imagine them having Spock behave in a similar way. IMO they would have shown the two interacting in a “private moment” when they were off shift. (And yes, I know this all took place very quickly, but they would have found a way for the interaction not to occur on or near the bridge or in front of Kirk. Though admittedly that did create a funny moment within the movie.) I could be wrong, but that’s all I’m saying. Not that I somehow blame Uhura for her reaction, which is of course totally human and compassionate and reasonable. It’s just that they seemed to write in approximately as much time making out with Spock for the character as they did her getting actual work done.

  97. Whitney wrote:

    “If the roles were reversed and Uhura were the one suffering the loss of her mother and/or heading out on a dangerous mission, I can’t imagine them having Spock behave in a similar way.”

    Neither can I, but that’s just Spock’s nature as a half-Vulcan. It would be simply inaccurate and leave viewers scratching their heads if the writers had him be all mushy-mushy to Uhura. Vulcans are logical and Spock was taught in the Vulcan way, to suppress emotion and to not let it rule you. Spock does learn how to express his emotions, but not at this point in time.

    I actually think it’s very illustrative of male-female relationships. Men, in American society at least, are taught to suppress their emotions and women are taught to express them. I don’t think that it’s odd for a woman to do what Uhura did, as I have seen countless military girlfriends and wives acting that way to their military boyfriends and husbands, and also just girlfriends/wives acting that way towards their boyfriends/husbands. A lot of guys just aren’t outwardly emotional, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Spock is just the extreme of that.

  98. Lisa J wrote:

    Loved the movie, but what is up with all the Kirk hate? He was the main protagonist in the old show, he wasn’t an “asshat” as someone called him, he was the senior officer on the ship, so of course he told people what to do. That is what Captains do, they have to tell people what to do and they are the leader, they ask others for input, which he did, but ultimately the buck stopped with him.

    As for why he was picked to be Captain in the movie, well that is what happened in the version of the universe we are used to, so most fans would have howled if he didn’t. He obviously had a firm grap on strategy and what would Nero would do before he did it, an important trait in a senior officer, and Captain Pike, by virtue of his affiliation with Kirk’s Dad and also by seeing him in action while at the academy, he knew he had a lot of potential and ability. Of course he got help from Spock, et al, and that is what he did in the original. Sheesh. I loves me some Kirk (both) so maybe I am biased. And though I initially expected it to be him who got Uhura, I was pleasantly surprised that Spock and Uhuru got together (Spock with is hand on her a$$ in the good-bye kiss at the transporter) Woo-hoo!!!