The Thin Line Between Art and Explotation

by Latoya Peterson

I watched yesterday’s thread with great interest – and not just because the racists came out to play behind the scenes. When I first got the tip on Gisele’s shoot, I pulled up the images in the company of my host in Houston. As we all looked at the images pop up, three words fell out of our mouths and into the air.

From our host: “Beautiful.”

From my boyfriend: “Striking.”

From me: “Mmmm.”

Some days, I think I’ve been doing this a bit too long. Where as a long time ago, I could debate the novelty of such themes, the artist’s intent, what have you, now I generally yawn. I get tips showing images like this all the time. There are a lot of photographers who happened upon the idea of using skin color as contrast. Hell, Johnson and Johnson did it in a lotion ad late last year. Yes, we know, dark skin is a contrast. So are many other things. Like using racism to provide lazy characterization and fill in personality in novels and screenplays, the contrast thing has been done, will be done, will continue to be done. I’m bored.

But my companions were not. And that is because art is something created by one person and consumed by others, with all kinds of experiences and ideas projected onto the resulting work. I, seeing this kind of study in racial contrast often, didn’t see anything too special about the photos. They, probably seeing the image as the artist intended, were caught up in the contrast and the arresting forwardness of the images. It is this dynamic – the idea that the viewer informs the interpretation – that makes critiquing and presenting art on Racialicious so difficult. You never really know what is informing the viewer and how they will interact with the piece. In writing the piece, I intentionally left my ideas about it vague, presenting just the images, a counter image, and the first comment on the thread.

So with that, imagine my reaction when clicking on my twitter feed and having reader Julian Obubo hit me with this image:

And I thought to myself, Oh, this is about to be some shit, isn’t it?

Over on Kanye West’s blog, he gives a shout out to artist Vanesssa Beecroft, who he has a collaborative relationship with. He copies and pastes more photos and the press release, which states:

The show is composed of two parts: a new performance ‘VB65′ created especially for this exhibition at the milan contemporary art gallery PAC and 4 video projections of performances and videos ‘VB48′, ‘VB54′, ‘VB61′ and ‘VB62′. ‘VB65′ is a performance of 20 african immigrants, only men, seated at a 12m long table, dining as if at a last supper, dressed formally, a few did not wear shoes, but all were wearing black dinner jackets, suits, eating chicken, brown bread, drinking water, without platters or silverware, in front of an audience of invited guests. the 20 hosts of the supper sat silently eating during the opening (for 3 hours).

known for her performances during which numerous models enact the ritual of being and appearing, vanessa beecroft (born in genoa in 1969) is one of the most internationally recognized italian artists. she lives and works in los angeles, usa.

everything in vanessa beecroft’s life revolves around food. beecroft has struggled to control an obsession with food since the age of 12. the spectre of anorexia haunted her teens and twenties, beecroft suffers from what psychiatrists call ‘exercise bulimia’, a compulsive need to burn off unwanted calories using excessive exercise. she is practising ashtanga yoga, ‘without it’,she says she ‘would go crazy’. vanessa beecroft announced herself boldly to the art world in 1993, after a professor at the accademia di belle arti di brera in milan, where she studied from 1988 to 1993, invited her to participate in a group show at the city’s inga pin gallery. she showed a performance of 30 girls, consisting of fellow brera students or girls found on the streets of milan, who were
instructed to move around the space, dressed in beecroft’s own clothes. many of the girls were chosen for their resemblance to beecroft, and were themselves struggling with eating disorders. this first performance set the blueprint for beecroft’s future as a conceptual artist. since then, she has staged many more performances around the world (all titled VB01, VB02, VB25, VB45, etc), and each was more elaborate than its predecessor.

And more photos follow of the exhibit, like this one:

It is worth noting that some of the participant’s faces were darkened for the performance. Over on Kanye’s blog, a heated debate ensued in the comments section as to whether or not this was racist. One of the more vocal commenters sneered that people need to wake up and understand art. But art is not created in a vacuum, and many artists operate within the frames set by our sexist, racist, and colonialist society. Whether they realize it our not, their perception has been influenced by those ideas. Puzzled by Vanessa Beecroft, I decided to do a little more research on her work.

Beecroft’s original pieces revolved around food and young (mostly white) womanhood. As Clifford Elgin writes in Thoughts on Art: Vanessa Beecroft’s VB-35 (With pre and post histories):


The crux of this essay will revolve around images from Beecroft’s VB-35, Guggenheim installation/performance. Twenty female models stood in the center of the Guggenheim rotunda for three hours. All of them wore high heels and nudity was optional. If a subject (female model) were modest, a Gucci bikini was provided. Difficult to see in the photograph is a thick layer of body paint, which serves to lessen embarrassment caused by the near or full nakedness of the subjects. Three rules governed the performance:

1. Do not move
2. Do not talk
3. You are encouraged to stare back at the audience [...]


The second Beecroft rule (do not move) is an almost impossible request, which the artist herself undermines by requiring the use of her awkward Gucci shoes. This rule was loosely applied in that the models were asked not to leave their positions in the delineated space. They were allowed to lean back and forth or even sit down if need be due to the high heels which made things difficult for the models to sustain their own body weight over extended periods of time. Not seen here in the photograph is a camera crew filming from every angle. Some of the most startling imagery captured was that of the figure being caught in unrest. While viewing footage of the event, it became clear that the artists behind the camera were after abstract sensibilities. Body parts swaying gently back and forth in the foreground bracketed teetering figures slightly out of focus. The over all impression was that of viewing a living abstract Motherwell. Viewers watching in person, and to those participating via video encounter a writhing mass of flesh, fraught with discomfort. Two critics who delved into the evolution and constant shifting of the piece as the models tired remarked upon this aspect. “Her work is something of a planned obsolescence. The artist dictates initial conditions in order to create the formation image, but subsequently she allows the work to crumble and decay.2″, “The picture Beecroft sets in motion is one of disintegration. The girls grow tired over the course of the pose, which lasts several hours. The picture begins to droop, fidget, sag, and collapse. The perfect picture quite literally falls apart.3″ These are two interesting quotes in that they add to the context of Beecroft’s work while describing the temporality of her work. [...]


Beecroft describes herself as a post feminist. As a male looking into the world of feminist culture and trying to interpret this statement made by a woman that I do not know, I would hazard that she was using John Barth’s model of post modernism outlined in the essay “Literature of Replenishment”. Beecroft is not saying that she is shirking off the hard won position she gained by merely being born a generation after the initial feminist movement. Instead Beecroft is taking from the feminists and adding a second introspective level to the struggle. To summarize Barth’s argument, he used the example of Dickens as being pre-modernism, Mr. Joyce as being modern, and Delillo being a hyper real post modernist writer. Delillo (Beecroft) did not reject Joyce (feminism) but instead he looked back and used Joyce to enhance the writing of the pre-modernists. We now have a truly feminine art culture which is able to feed off of its past and exist separately from that of the previously masculine world. “Women giving their bodies back to themselves isn’t a big issue, if it’s an issue at all4.” Taking this into account, we the viewers are asked to view this artwork not as a pornographic production, but rather as a creation wrought by a woman grappling with what it means to be a female in today’s culture. As well, the use of nude females is not in Beecroft’s opinion an important factor in the work because of the struggles the previous generation of female artists underwent to negate this issue. Twenty perfect women lined up as products, wearing Gucci, slathered in body paint that is slowly melting away while they become frazzled tired and unkempt could perhaps instead be read as a scathing indictment towards our capitalistic culture. Over the course of an evening the group of women that are trotted out as “nubile machines5″ become individual and real. We are allowed to witness the artificiality of what our culture aspires toward.

The author continues to struggle with the complexity of Beecroft’s imagery throughout the piece, ultimately concluding that her work is so layered and so rich with intent, it is hard to get a feel for her without looking at her full body of work. (To read more about Beecroft’s influences in terms of feminism and food, go here.) However, further research on Beecroft shows a departure from the post-feminist aesthetic that informed her previous work into something else entirely.

Prior to the exhibit Kayne referenced on his blog, Vanessa Beecroft was engaged in another gig. A documentary was made on Beecroft called The Art Star and The Sudanese Twins showing some of issues involved with her newer project. In a review for CBC News, Katrina Onstad writes:

The photograph is clearly meant to be a shove and a slap, and it is: A white woman in an angelic white dress, burnt along the bottom like a baked doily, nurses two black babies, one on each breast. In this portrait, the deified figures are not the babies, but the Madonna front and centre: Vanessa Beecroft, a 39-year-old Italian-British artist.

For her, the image is a piece of reverse colonialism, an attempt to rewrite the history of wet nurses of colour enlisted in the service of white Western women. But as with all of Beecroft’s work, the photograph is also painfully personal. In 2006, she travelled to Sudan and on her first day there met Madit and Mongor Akot at an orphanage. The baby boys needed to be nursed, and Beecroft stepped in, able to do so because she was still breastfeeding her youngest son in New York. Whether she bonded intensely with the children, or had a selfish urge to live out the Angelina Jolie fantasy of salvation through adoption — perhaps a combination of both — Beecroft began efforts to formally adopt the boys.

But Sudan has no laws around adoption and, indeed, no cultural concept of it. In this way, the now-famous portrait that resulted, like the story behind it, is not merely an artistic provocation, but an outrage to many, an extension of colonialism rather than a refutation.

Onstad details Beecroft’s chance meeting with filmmaker Pietra Brettkelly who ended up recording Beecroft for over sixteen months. Brettkelly had her own perspective on Beecroft’s work:

Brettkelly only figured out she was dealing with a renowned conceptual artist when she joined Beecroft at the Venice Biennale in 2007 for a performance called VB61: Still Death! Darfur Still Deaf?. There, Beecroft delivered a variation on her signature installations, in which groups of women stand or sit without moving for hours at a time. The direct feminism of those works — Beecroft, who has had a lifelong eating disorder, is in constant conversation with the female body as object — absorbed new meaning in Venice. The documentary shows Beecroft arranging 30 African women across a white floor, trailing red paint across their still bodies.

“I was incredibly moved,” Brettkelly says. “The stuff in L.A. with white models hadn’t done much for me, but this I understood.”

However, the finished film provided a different view of Beecroft. New York Magazine’s Vulture blog notes:

The documentary explores Beecroft’s experiment in Sudan, in which she attempts to adopt two Sudanese orphans and use them as subjects in her work. Wise to theory, Beecroft says her adoption will be “not just fetishization of the blacks. It will be a beginning of a relationship with that country.” The film documents the significant gap between Beecroft’s theory and her actions.

Upon her arrival in the Sudan, Beecroft hurries to set up a photo shoot, hiding the cameras from the orphanage’s sisters, calling the babies “these poor creatures.” Which baby should she photograph? “Either one or the other,” she says, “it doesn’t matter.”

Repeatedly, Beecroft claims that she “loves this culture” — but, in the film’s most disturbing scene, sisters from the orphanage try to stop her from stripping the children nude inside their abbey for an elaborate photo shoot. Beecroft refuses, complains, starts shooting again, and eventually loses a physical confrontation with one of the sisters, who takes the children away from her, furious that Beecroft is stripping children naked inside a church.

The CBC piece delves deeper into that particular scene, from Brettkelly’s perspective:

Brettkelly says she didn’t alter the film based on Beecroft’s complaints, and it certainly doesn’t feel like a vanity project. The doc is sympathetic to Beecroft, who struggles with depression, but it isn’t always flattering. In one particularly difficult scene, Beecroft is shooting the babies in a church in Sudan when a few local women pound the door, outraged that the children are being photographed naked, and accusing Beecroft’s translator of corroborating with “the whites.”

Brettkelly recalls that as the screaming escalated, she considered putting down the camera and getting involved. “My camera man was beside me and I said, ‘Oh God, what do I do? What do I do? Am I going to step in here?’ But really quickly I could see these women didn’t need some white woman to step in. They knew what was right and wrong in their world, and I thought, ‘Okay, I’m fine right here, behind the camera.’ ”

Anyone who wants to write off Beecroft can zone in on her casual white privilege, especially when she bars the door to the church and mutters, “Christ, these people.” But Brettkelly’s film also constantly reminds the viewer that Beecroft is a fiercely driven artist, doing whatever it takes to produce the work she genuinely thinks will change the world. Subtly, the doc asks whether male and female artists are scrutinized or judged in the same way. Is it too simple to dismiss a fashionable, beautiful woman preoccupied by food and the female body — the former considered trivial and the latter an obsession historically left to male artists?

All of this, taken together, provides a very complicated picture of an artist. On one hand, Beecroft seems to have hit upon something deep with her work on women and relationships to the body. But that work was more abstract, less direct than her current works which seem designed to critique certain global issues. However, her pechant for darkening the features of the models used in her work, the casual disregard for the environment she is in, and even her positioning as a white woman who wants to make the world aware of these issues plays into longstanding issues with neo-colonialism and racism.

The majority of my readers are intelligent enough to understand that there may be two ideas involved when discussing Beecroft’s work:

1. That she is an artist, interpreting the world as she sees it.

AND

2. That artists can be influenced by racism and colonialism, even as they are trying to make a statement about one of these topics.

The end of the CBC News article sums up the situation by displaying the audience reactions to the film at Sundance:

The Art Star and the Sudanese Twins continues to divide audiences. Brettkelly describes a screening where a man stood up and said, “I find this appalling. It’s disgusting.” Another woman in the audience cut him off. “She said: ‘I completely identify with her. She thinks differently than us. She’s an artist. She’s showing us a way into issues we don’t talk about.’ There aren’t many people who feel lightly about Vanessa. It’s either love or hate.”

Readers, what are your thoughts?

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Comments

  1. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    Oh please… she ain’t an artist… she’s a CON artist. None of her “art” you described here makes any sense. Just nonsensical, blabbering, whiney, privileged white upper class “art” bullshit that makes no sense to anyone except to HER.

  2. atlasien wrote:

    I’m comfortable with conceptual artists using 1) their own bodies and 2) the bodies of interested, willing, informed participants (like audience members).

    When they start paying people to be part of the projects, or incorporating people that can’t give consent (like the Sudanese babies) the ethics are just way too troubling to consider the projects on artistic merit.

    In short, put me in the “hate” camp. Ugh! Ugh! Ugh! Racist, colonialist, AND ANTIfeminist in that it encourages further unhealthy attitudes about the female body. I don’t see the “challenging” that’s supposed to be a part of any of this. It’s just duplicating the same sort of sexist work that male conceptual artists have already done decades ago. Ooh, I’ll use the passive female body as an art instrument… transgressive! Not really.

    Also, nice parallel to Don DeLillo, because Don DeLillo is also terrible.

  3. m.dot wrote:

    Latoya!!!

    My heart is doing butterflies and backflips.

    This post, I could tell you were writing and thinking and typing and analyzing.

    I know Bancrofts work. I used a photo of hers as the backdrop for Model Minority in the EARLY days. Its a piece w/ A group of Naked Black Women Shakled at JFK titled, VB54. It is rather striking. That Black Face is hella racist. I ground mine in history, I don’t know what the eff other cats is doing.

    http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/news/artnetnews2/artnetnews10-4-1.asp

    As I read your piece I was moved by how much of what you said applies to both this critique and a critique of the Pimp/Thug/Ho trinity in hip hop as well.

    -It is this dynamic – the idea that the viewer informs the interpretation – that makes critiquing and presenting art on Racialicious so difficult. You never really know what is informing the viewer and how they will interact with the piece.

    -One of the more vocal commenters sneered that people need to wake up and understand art. But art is not created in a vacuum, and many artists operate within the frames set by our sexist, racist, and colonialist society. Whether they realize it our not, their perception has been influenced by those ideas.

    -1. That she is an artist, interpreting the world as she sees it.

    AND

    2. That artists can be influenced by racism and colonialism, even as they are trying to make a statement about one of these topics.

    Get it girl!

  4. CrzyCatDC wrote:

    Why is it that art is considering some sort of higher realm where the rest of us can’t possibly understand people that inhabit this world? I’m sorry, but artist or not, she is an overprivileged white woman with an entitlement complex.

    Anyone can call themselves an artist, but real artists are about understanding and changing the world, not enforcing their views on it. They feel a need to create art because they’re more sensitive to what’s happening around them. She doesn’t sound very sensitive or all that in tune with what’s happening around her. What she did in Sudan is appalling and she should have been shunned by the art community because of it.

    Just because someone considers something art doesn’t mean it doesn’t embody the same prejudices we all face and create everyday.

  5. Winn wrote:

    Beecroft’s work is alternatively provocative and infuriating, in equal measure. I believe her intentions are to challenge, explore and provoke, but her, as the CBC called it, “casual white privilege”, renders her myopic to the inherent pitfalls of both her attitude and approach. And please with this idea that the “artistic” mind is so distinct and precious that it occupies an alternate plane from the mundane plebes who “can’t understand art”. Are we still pushing this classist idea? Give me a break! In an interview with Museo Magazine, Beecroft expresses a level of cultural cluenessness about herself, her motivations, and the potential impressions left by her work that beautifully illustrates Latoya’s Point #2. Here’s a quote:

    In the Madonna with Twins, I used myself as a subject that represented this form of Western paternalism in trying to aid Africa. When I realized that I couldn’t take the infants who I was nursing back with me to the U.S., I made art out of it. The picture represents a real story—or else I wouldn’t have done it.

    Here’s a link to the rest of the article. It is fascinating to read about Beecroft’s influences, both aesthetically and philosophically, and especially how the idea of her work reinforcing colonial ideas and the othering of black bodies never even occurs to her: http://www.museomagazine.com/9/shapiro/

  6. Sean wrote:

    Hmmm… Never thought I’d see the day when Jackson Pollock’s paintings would make artistic sense.

  7. atlasien wrote:

    And touching on what Latoya and m.dot are saying about the viewers…

    These art projects seem totally designed to evoke reactions for white audiences.

    I can’t really comprehend them at all unless I actually imagine that I’m a white viewer. Then I realize that I, this hypothetical white person, am supposed to be made uncomfortable in certain ways, and I’m then supposed to go through an “awareness raising” about racial issues, as told through the medium of passive black bodies.

    Since I’m not white and don’t need to be made more aware of race (I wish I was less aware) there’s really no space for me as a viewer. Instead, I feel just plain uncomfortable… and embarrassed on behalf of the subjects and their exploitation.

  8. Heather wrote:

    This is perhaps more of a general question about art, but if you’re trying to make a statement or challenge people about global issues, I don’t understand what is supposedly “progressive” or “artistic” about modern art where the artist merely presents images and lets audiences make up their own minds about what it means. Doesn’t that just mean that people are going to interpret the art however they see fit, even if it’s perpetuating the very thing the artist is trying to confront? What I mean is, if the artist isn’t more blatant about what the message is “supposed” to be, what is confrontational or challenging about that? Doesn’t that just let a racist/classist/colonialist interpret the image in a racist/classist/colonialist way without ever having to question the way in which he/she is interpreting the display?

    I don’t know if that question makes sense, but if someone could help explain to me, I’d appreciate it..

  9. Fiqah wrote:

    @CrzyCatDC: “Anyone can call themselves an artist, but real artists are about understanding and changing the world, not enforcing their views on it. They feel a need to create art because they’re more sensitive to what’s happening around them. She doesn’t sound very sensitive or all that in tune with what’s happening around her. ”

    Wow. Examples to the contrary of this sentiment abound just in this post. Are artists inherently more sensitive – and therefore more aware – than average folks? That’s a hard one to call; there were and are lots of sensitive, progressive/transgressive artistic types with blind spots. Top of my head, Paul Gauguin, Robert Mapplethorpe, Kara Walker: racist, sexist, exploitative elements can be found in their brilliant work. An artist is a human, and flawed like anybody else. Do they have an obligation to Make the World a Better Place Through Socially Responsible Art? They don’t seem to think so.

    Beecroft’s pieces provoke intentionally by evoking racially-charged memes. Does she do it to upset real-life racists? Probably. Does she do it to offend those of us who may be on the receiving side of racism? Probably not. Does it offend anyway? Yes. Yes indeed. Boy, howdy.

    Non-malicious racism is still ultimately harmful, but it doesn’t completely erase the artistic value of Beecroft’s work. And that’s what’s prickly about this issue.

  10. PPR_Scribe wrote:

    These art projects seem totally designed to evoke reactions for white audiences.

    That’s it, right there. Agree 100%.

  11. ceecee wrote:

    boy! this was something to read. I appreciate how you took the time to expound on her past work before what she’s working on now.

    Seems to me like her current subjects are experiments to her. I understand that she is trying to get white audiences to think about the consequences of their actions towards Sudan but it’s still neocolonialist and condescending. Does she really care how her subjects feel? She tries to evoke pity? conviction? but ends up taking away their humanness.

  12. jen* wrote:

    @ Heather: Doesn’t that just mean that people are going to interpret the art however they see fit, even if it’s perpetuating the very thing the artist is trying to confront?

    You said what was in my head – has been in my head for a long time. It turns into a copout, saying that you mean one thing, and other people are just “taking it that way”. Isn’t that why Chappelle decided to quit his show? He realized that folks were taking things the wrong way, and he preferred to stop feeding that, even at the expense of his art. That was his way of dealing with it.

    This lady, not dealing in art nearly as straightforward as Chappelle, has the neat little escape clause of saying “that’s not what I meant” if someone gets offended. Not to mention atlasien’s spot on bit about the intended audience being 100% white.

  13. m.dot wrote:

    @ Atlasien,
    Hey Love.
    Are you TRYING TO GET me to write a post titled,
    What do Vanessa Beecroft and hip hop have in common? Thinking about it. Seriously thinking about it.

    Its becoming very clear to me that it makes people EXTREMELY uncomfortable when we talk about “Black” art that is made for white people.

    This post and comments are totally adding another layer to my “Why Rappers Need Nappy Headed Ho’s” post.

    Let me ask y’all this?

    How can Beecroft get folks to think about colonialism if her comments and arguably her art clearly indicates that she lacks a historical understanding of Colonialism.

    You can’t offer a critique of something you don’t understand.

    This political underdevelopment is both obvious in her comments and her work.

    @Fiquah
    Kara Walker is as bad as 50 cent with regard to trafficking in Black death for white consumption, in terms of being unwilling to talk about their work in an honest way and in receiving substantial remuneration for their work. I have followed her work since I was 19 and a freshman at Mills, enrolled in a History of Black women Artists class. I wanted to like her. She was young, beautiful and making people uncomfortable w/ images of slavery. I put my arms around her, the way I put them around Fridah Kahlo. But her unwillingness to talk about her work and the history that it is rooted in fucks me up.

    Latoya. Good convo!

  14. karak wrote:

    I hate this form of “art”, I hate people who think doing random crap is magically creative in some deep way.

    I also think that’s it is impossible to really ever create a piece with black and white models without it being about racism and colonialism. It might be a condemnation of that fact, or a celebration, or a commentary, but you can’t avoid the discussion. Because black and white together always pings the historical context of black and white relations (to me, anyway).

  15. PPR_Scribe wrote:

    trafficking in Black death for white consumption

    M.Dot, this is key, yes? Insert any other subject for “death” and you get the story of much of Black (and other POC) art of any kind in the modern era.

    Who are the paying consumers of art? Who has the money to enable artists to make a living as artists? Who has the academic positions for artists to teach, lecture, research, and produce art in this kind of institutional setting? Who sits on the decision-making boards for awards and grant funding?

    In the US (and elsewhere), the paying consumers of art are generally White so the art–regardless of who is making it–will often (if not always) be “for White consumption.” I suspect it is very difficult for many artists of color to create art in this kind of context, especially if they wish to make art for other POC or some vague group known as “the masses.”

    I suspect many White artists rarely give this a second thought.

  16. CrzyCatDC wrote:

    @Fiqah

    You’re right. I was thinking of particular artists and writers (and ideals) that I’m fond of and generalizing about all of them. Not all artists feel a need to work towards any type of social change. But at the same time, I didn’t mean that artists are more sensitive than all other people, just that they tend to feel what they are doing and thus want to express it through art. In other words, there’s an emotional connection to their work. But you’re right, it doesn’t have to involve a sensitivity to what’s going on around them. VB seems to extremely emotional sensitive (maybe even emotionally imbalanced/unstable), but doesn’t seem to all that aware of what’s going on around her.

  17. Fiqah wrote:

    @m.dot: I can TOTALLY understand the Kara Walker discomfort. I’ve opted to embrace her formally and stiffly, kinda like a mean great-aunt who you have never really gotten along with, but who has written you into her will. Here’s a link to a podcast she did where she talks about some of her work and stuff. It’s the most honest I’ve ever heard her be in an interview about the nature of the work…which isn’t saying much, I may be reading too much into her lengthy pauses and “I don’t knows.” It doesn’t get truly interesting until about 14 minutes in.
    http://www.pluggd.tv/audio/channels/kcet_podcast__hammer_conversations/episodes/44lkt

  18. Eric wrote:

    Thank you for this well researched and well thought post. As others have intimated, I think there are certainly many faces to Beecroft and her art. On one hand, she certainly has many meaningful things to say on feminism and the female body — things that I as a male certainly cannot speak to or understand implicitly. I also think that she presents issues on these subjects with relative subtlety and skill due to her intense relationship with the issues of the female body and eating disorders. After all, this is what she deals with and thinks about on a daily basis.

    Where the wheels begin to fall off, where she screws up (again and again) is when she presumes to know, intimately, the complex issues of race, racism, and colonialism on a level that she does the female body. And I sincerely doubt she put the time or energy to research these things beforehand. To me, this is (as other posters have mentioned) the height of arrogance and entitlement. She relies on her privilege to presume knowledge on subject(s) that others have spent their entire lives experiencing.

    It’s a presumption I’ve seen in many other (mostly white) writers and artists. The privilege and assumptions are so embedded and taken for granted — why not write a book from the perspective of a 21-year-old black male dealing drugs in the ‘hood? Who says I can’t understand the experiences of Mexican immigrants well enough to write a story about it? It’s privilege being privilege; acting on its power and assuming that all is okay just because no one in their life has ever said, “Wait a minute. This doesn’t sound right.”

  19. 9jah wrote:

    @ Winn:
    “I believe her intentions are to challenge, explore and provoke….”

    We can’t continue excusing the profound (choice of) ignorance of these presumably intelligent and cerbral people. Critique of this type of artwork of this nature has to be familiar to such artists at this point, but they don’t care to engage. I imagine that black artists have a different view on racial art like above. Beecroft is white and anorexic – she can speak infinitely to this condition. While she does not have to be black to speak to race matters, SHE FAILS where she insists on handling an issue with which she is not intimately familiar nor, i’m guessing well educated, on her own terms ONLY.

    Stripping the children nude is very telling – it turns out, perhaps to Beecroft’s surprise, that Africans wear clothes (even orphans!). As this is not congruent with her conception of the destitute, hapless, needs-help black african baby, she proceeds to strip them. It is appaling that she NEEDED to do this to the extent of a confrontation. I am guessing it is the same NEED for the faces of Africans in this sort of work to be Blackened or have a particular look to accomodate western stereotype (see ALEK WEK), not minding the reality of complection/appearance of black Africans.

    I think the biggest failure of these artists is the very predictable racial paradigm they are locked into. The loftiest inspirations they grasp to enlighten their audiences about “blackness” (or any other race) can always be subsumed to lousy caricatures that white people, only, originated, perpetuated and are titillated by (as an aside there is no stereotype about black africans regarding chicken so the intended irony is a little off in any event). It also bears mentioning that the depiction of oppressed blacks in Beecroft’s and others’ work suggests their condition exists in a vacuum as the oppressor is typically not identified (compare to Kara Walker). As ATLASIENs observed this type of art effectively functions for white audiences which again begs the question of why this audience insists on examining racial issues through their particular, inherently flawed vantage point only.

    @ m.dot:

    BEECROFT and 50 CENT have absolutely nothing in common IMO.

  20. 9jah wrote:

    @ Eric –

    “why not write a book from the perspective of a 21-year-old black male dealing drugs in the ‘hood?”

    I agree. Regaridng the above statement, I think there is the potential for folly on two levels: first, that a white, suburb-raised female (for example) can effectively convey the perspective of the above described and second – and to me a more fundamental hurdle that everyone but whites in particular need to cross – the assumption that the steretypical accompanying descriptives to “black” in America, e.g. poor, survivalist, criminal activity are relevant subjects in any examination of “race” per se. In the above statement, for example, we should come to see as neutral an association between dealing drugs and being 21 as between dealing drugs and being black.

  21. Brooklynperson wrote:

    “I am not trying to fetishize the blacks…” (emphasis mine).

    ::sigh:: Really? Really? Way to put distance between your humanity and theirs, though, hmm?

    Articles used in this way irk me no end. I know it might be a translation thing, but still.

  22. Joseph wrote:

    Hm. Well, okay…

    This is what I do. I’m a performance artist.

    I’m also a scholar of this form and I really appreciate the thoughtful way you have navigated the minefield of Beecroft’s work in this post Latoya. I can see how the earlier conversation around the fashion spread could lead into this post but I think its important to note that fashion photography (no matter how artfully executed) is advertising, not art. Work like Beecroft’s is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. Beecroft isn’t selling anything. She isn’t even creating objects like a painter or a sculptor would. Performance/conceptual art isn’t generally consumable in the same way as other forms. She is creating experiences. Even her photographs are designed as performances rather than only as images (which is also my approach to photography in my work).

    I want to make an observation. Whenever performance/conceptual art is discussed in mainstream circles there is always a strong current of contempt for this form of art. The objections always involve the same two arguments; 1) That isn’t ART! and/or 2) This “artist” thinks s/he is better than me and s/he isn’t better than me! See CrzyCatDC #4 and Karak #14 for a gloss on both of these positions. And, for contrast, see Fiqah at #9 for a gorgeous response that captures the complicated responses work like this is designed to provoke. (Seriously, Fiqah I am copying that down for my students.)

    I have two thoughts of my own in response: 1) Of course conceptual/performance art is art. You might not like it and, in fact it might not be any good… but that does not disqualify it as a form. If you don’t like it, don’t patronize it. Unlike advertising, which is virtually inescapable, you generally have to go out of your way to experience art that “lives” at the margins of society. So if you don’t like it, don’t go.
    2) Nobody ever said that artists were inherently better or “more sensitive” than non-artists. In fact, pretty much the only people who ever say that are non-artists who try and use it against us in arguments like these. But this sentiment is more about the insecurity of the person saying it than it is a real critique of an artist or a particular form. When I say I am an artist, it is just a description of my job, not a comment on your limitations. Those are up to you.

    Like M. Dot, I am also aware of Beecrofts work and the article quoted above understates the controversy around her earlier work using model-esque white women. A lot of people HATED that work for the same reasons that the newer race-based stuff is pushing buttons: the vast space between her experience of it and that of various viewers. In other words, despite post-feminist intentions, lots of guys turned out to see hot, topless girls standing around/sitting in high heels. But that is thing, you can’t control how people experience the work, another way that it is the opposite of advertising, which is all about predicting viewer response. I don’t think that undoes or invalidates the work itself. But is the stuff that gets kicked up by this piece up for grabs in a critique of Beecrofts work? Or, frankly, mine?

    Abso-fucking-lutely.

    But.

    Even knowing something of Beecroft’s other artwork I am reluctant to criticize a piece that is designed to be experienced live, no matter how compelling (or damning) the images taken during the performance/installation are. Seeing something live is a whole other ballgame. And I can’t know what my response would be without being there. There are a ton of factors that might shape my experience of it beyond what is visible in these photographs. I couldn’t say it better than Fiqah did already: it’s complicated.

    One last point though. Although I began by contrasting fashion with conceptual art I think there is also a useful parallel. I sometimes ask my students to think of performance, like fashion, as a continuum with the everyday at one end and the extreme at the other. Designers use couture as a laboratory for ideas and that often results in pure concepts that could not be sustained in the real world…. So it makes people angry. But if you look closely you can see how the sometimes extreme ideas being rehearsed at the edges make their way into the center. I think the same thing is true of conceptual/ performance art.

    You don’t have to like it. In fact, it isn’t designed to be liked or not. (A dynamic that is often mistaken for a desire to provoke) It is about the visceral experience of an idea. I completely understand how that can be upsetting. But I think an art space for the creation of works that are not consumable and do not proscribe a particular response from their audiences is very valuable. That is what this is.

  23. Winn wrote:

    @9jah,

    I am going to assume you did not stop reading my comment after the point that you referenced in your post. There was no excusing of Beecroft or other artists regarding the profound disconnect between what they claim and perhaps even believe is the aim of their art and the perpetuation and reinforcing of stereotypes that often results, and which their privilege blinds them to or allows them to ignore.

    Oh, and m.dot’s parallel was between the problematic work of KARA WALKER and 50 Cent, not Beecroft and 50 cent, a parallel she explained pretty clearly. You can agree or disagree with her comparison, but don’t muddy the waters.

  24. Eric wrote:

    @9jah

    Totally agree with every word you’ve written. Your examination of Beecroft’s completely (and perhaps willfully) misguided views on race matters is on point.

    To speak to the second point, writers on writing about experiences that are not their own is something I am all too familiar with. I’ve sat in on way too many writing groups, readings, and conferences where writers think they blazing some sort of new trail, writing on experiences that are completely alien to them. It’s a perverse kind of orientalism (though is there any other kind?) of well-bred, well-privileged people thinking they are “slumming” it by taking a completely stereotypical view of a group of people and trying making it their own. And that they write about it, and give their characters “human” qualities — oh, that drug dealer has a girlfriend and a child who he supports, so it’s okay — makes it in their mind okay. But it’s not okay, because it’s just a shallow, television view of things, not so unlike what Beecroft has done with visual art, and what many others have done and will continue to do in other arts.

    Not that there isn’t a right way to write or express art on subjects that are not natively your own — Robert Olen Butler’s “A Good Scent from a Strange Mountain” comes to mind — but that’s really only gathered from years of intimate, considerate research. In Butler’s case, it was spending two years during the Vietnam war in Vietnam as a translator. Go figure.

  25. Fiqah wrote:

    @Joseph: Aw, you got a girl blushing over here. :D ::: hugs :::

  26. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Joe –

    into this post but I think its important to note that fashion photography (no matter how artfully executed) is advertising, not art.

    Hmm…I’m not sold on that idea. I think the lines between art and advertising have blurred, particular considering how vintage ads have become art, advertising has been used as art, and some artists have been so provocative that their art appears to be just advertising for themselves in order to attain some measure of fame. Let me get some facts together and I can formally challenge you on that another day…

    Whenever performance/conceptual art is discussed in mainstream circles there is always a strong current of contempt for this form of art.

    I agree – but I’ll also say that there is a lot of contempt for we “non art” people, in general. That regardless of how much we may or may not know about the subject at hand, many times the attempt to bring race or gender into the discussion has brought that contemptuous “you don’t understand art” statement. I got that one in reference to my Stephen King post a while back, which puzzled me as I wouldn’t consider what he does as “art” in that sense. Maybe it is. But no matter how familiar you are with what you are critiquing, the moment you bring up a real world issue, some people get highly defensive as if artists are these ephemeral beings that drop from the sky and therefore cannot be subject to the cruel realities of the world.

    You see this same thing in the video game world – any discussions of gaming mechanics are welcome, but if you bring up social issues, it’s considered a huge faux pas.

    But I think an art space for the creation of works that are not consumable and do not proscribe a particular response from their audiences is very valuable. That is what this is.

    I suppose my question is how does one allow for artistic expression while watching something that appears to be exploitation (and perhaps repeated exploitation, if the adoption had gone through.)

  27. Miles Ellison wrote:

    This is pornography with pretense. It makes the same statement as interracial hardcore sex DVDs. The difference is that the creators of “White Chocolate Stick Ridin’ Mamas” aren’t claiming to make “provocative” art.

  28. atlasien wrote:

    At the risk of derailing… here’s a piece of conceptual art that’s just too good to be real :-) .

  29. Kaonashi wrote:

    The majority of my readers are intelligent enough to understand that there may be two ideas involved when discussing Beecroft’s work:

    1. That she is an artist, interpreting the world as she sees it.

    AND

    2. That artists can be influenced by racism and colonialism, even as they are trying to make a statement about one of these topics.

    Lots of food for thought here. Who you are, your experiences, and where you are in life definitely affects your work to a certain degree. It also works the other way as well; viewers will come up with their own interpretation of your work and who you are as a person that you never intended.

    I have a question I want to throw out here.

    Would responses to these images be any different if it was a Black woman feeding those babies and a Black Woman who created these photographs? Should artists stay within their own borders, not looking beyond?

  30. Joseph wrote:

    @LDP
    “I suppose my question is how does one allow for artistic expression while watching something that appears to be exploitation (and perhaps repeated exploitation, if the adoption had gone through.)”

    At the risk of seeming provocative I suppose my response is: you don’t get to allow it or not. You get to have your experience of it just like I can. But allowing (or not) artistic expression isn’t your gig. One of the uses of conceptual art is to transgress socially acceptable boundaries in order to explore their constructedness. Sex, gender, identity and to a lesser extent race are all ripe topics for this form of art for that reason.

    I completely agree that art should not be insulated from critique about its racial and ethnic content. But… Beecroft is employing some pretty obvious stereotypes here (just as she did, in a different context, with her work focused on women and body image). So it isn’t as if she is thinking she will put one over on an unsuspecting public by sneaking racist content into her work. From what I can see the racist content IS the work. (Again, the opposite of the fashion photos from the other thread, which are coy about their racist lineage.) Beecroft has no illusions about plausible deniability here. She is consciously employing racist images, the only question here in my mind is why. What does using these images in this context DO? (Besides piss off a lot of people on this thread I mean) Calling these images racist is like calling the sky blue. Of course they are racist… that isn’t really the question here. The question is why.

    Again, I am not trying to talk you (or anyone) out of your responses to this work. Although I’ll reiterate that we haven’t really experienced the work itself, but only traces of it. But using racialized, or even offensive imagery by itself is not enough for me to condemn a work without understanding the context it was created in. Me, I want to know what a work is doing. Which is why I disagree with those posters who have criticized Kara Walker, a black artist who uses antebellum slave images to create over-the-top racist narratives out of laser cut black paper. I’d argue that Walker’s work (which I HAVE seen) is simply making visible a racist dynamic that persists in the US, despite the polite rules around acknowledging or openly expressing it. Walker transgresses those rules and the result is often shocking. I understand how upsetting her images are for some black viewers, but racism, which is her topic, is ugly. And that is upsetting. So there you go.

    I am not comfortable making the same claim about Beecroft’s work, for the reasons I have said, but I need to advocate for keeping open the notion that it might be.

  31. Mahsino wrote:

    I’m hesitant to comment about the sentiment behind Beecroft’s work for several reasons, both based on professional bias.

    1. I hate modern art, specifically performance art because it’s usually shocking just for the sake of being shocking. Most of the fine artists I hang around generally admit they create first and create meaning later to justify it. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in the past 5 years it’s “art and design are 30% work, 70% bullshit”.

    2. I was always taught the difference between designers and artists are designer communicate to and for the audience; the artist communicates for themselves. Seeing as she’s so proud of her identity as an artist, she knew better than to seriously try and communicate anything about race or colonialism without more explicit context.
    She intended for it to be controversial.

    That being said it’s hard for me to call her work racist because I don’t know what was going through her head, and from the passages, it seemed like she’s so complex she probably didn’t have one singular reason for her concept.

    Modern art is generally open to interpretation and most artists strive to have their work interpreted several ways, and while I interpret it as well-intentioned privileged, I’m hard to definitively declare it as such- if that makes any sense.

  32. Wendi Muse wrote:

    my brain hurts because there is so much to think about here, but i think this is an awesome article and presents some serious issues we need to unpack.

    also, latoya, i agree with you, advertising IS art. i think that everything we see and hear is art, if we consider art something that appeals to the senses and is made with that purpose in mind.

    heavy stuff…

    i don’t like the idea of censoring art, or well, anything, bc then we get into fascism territory, but i wonder where can we draw a line, if any, when we consider displaying art? and how are we to address the way we digest and interpret it? is it possible that we can look at something and not apply a historial message and see it only for its aesthetic value? or is that, creating something solely for the purpose of aesthetics, even possible considering that the artist him/herself will also be laden with similar historical baggage, even if in denial of that?!

    ughghgh brain overload

  33. Lauren wrote:

    On the issue of artists being some sort of lofty group of superhumans… it really comes down to being used to thinking about art, just like anything else. And just like a site like this would be bored and annoyed by someone saying, “If I have black friends, why can’t I say n—-r,” a lot of artists are bothered by the common mainstream attitude of “I don’t like it/it doesn’t speak to me so it’s NOT ART.” A lot of art, especially pieces like these, is about introspection- not just the reaction, but the examination of the reaction, and the speculation as to the intent of the artist.

    @Kaonashi- I think staying within the boundaries of one’s own experience is, ethics aside, a good strategy for artists. Nuanced, moving art really only comes from the complexity of thought you get from a personal, specific experience. When you step too far outside of that you just have cliché. For example, if she had footage of the actual incident of nursing these babies, that could be very interesting. But by trying to recreate her (not very nuanced) memory of an event without making sure to make the new experience respectful, complex, and authentic, she turned the babies and the culture into props. Which is both morally wrong and artistically boring.

  34. MelMel wrote:

    This is an excellent post. Very brave, balanced, and thoughtful rumination about white privilege.

    Her work is cheap. In my opinion, if you want to tackle tender issues (especially from a position of power) you must handle them with an exquisitely delicate hand. She runs into Sudan, grabs children, strips them, points her camera, and attacks the viewer.

  35. A. wrote:

    This woman makes me think of yet another hipster who is trying to employ shock just to be shocking and then try to claim that she didn’t mean that she was being offensive.

    This strikes me a lot of incredibly cheap garbage. There is nothing deep about it to me. It just seems like another clueless white woman taking pictures of shit while trying to insert her own views about race.

  36. m.dot wrote:

    @ Joseph
    Hi Joseph. I have a response to the below quote.

    Which is why I disagree with those posters who have criticized Kara Walker, a black artist who uses antebellum slave images to create over-the-top racist narratives out of laser cut black paper. I’d argue that Walker’s work (which I HAVE seen) is simply making visible a racist dynamic that persists in the US, despite the polite rules around acknowledging or openly expressing it. Walker transgresses those rules and the result is often shocking. I understand how upsetting her images are for some black viewers, but racism, which is her topic, is ugly. And that is upsetting. So there you go.
    =========
    As I stated my issue w/ Kara isn’t her work, it is her youth, her trafficking in violent slavery images (babies coming out of slave vagina’s, slave owner penis’s morphing in nappy headed pickannies) and her financial remunerations for such work. The woman won a Genius award at 28.

    You can’t have slave babies popping out of enslaved woman’s vagina’s and not contextualize your work. That ain’t right nor just. Especially in a country that has NEVER DEALT with slavery.

    Re- not discussing in polite company.
    Black people talk about slavery, and oppression. We may not do it in mixed company, but we have those conversations.

    Honestly, I saw very little difference between Kara winning that and Its Hard Out Here For a Pimp, being the first rap song to win an Oscar. Like, this is the race shit you will validate eh?

    Like Latoya said. We don’t interpret art in vacuum, all of our isms come along for the ride.

    Oh and you are soo right about the need to experience work in the flesh. There is NOTHING like it.

    @ Winn
    Thank you for the assist.

    ~m.

  37. Coco wrote:

    lol in response to #35 A….I wouldn’t say Beecroft is any type of hipster at all….just not as smart as we expect well known artists to be.

    I dislike this work only because I don’t believe in her intentions.

  38. Joseph wrote:

    A, Mahsino, Miles Ellison

    Can you talk a bit about what you don’t like about this? Your comments are pretty general. I get that you don’t like this work and/or Beecroft herself but I am curious to know why.

    Can you say more?

  39. marci wrote:

    a great, thoughtful post..
    i aimed to write quite a bit but then the summary of my thoughts about beecroft’s work popped into my head and is that beecroft does not aim for the head or heart.. she aims for the gut..
    head and heart represents thoughts and feelings about her subject and her audience..
    she doesn’t care about either… she seems to just want to inflict pain… a projection of her own maybe?

  40. horsdequestion wrote:

    I am no expert, but doesn’t the artist fail if she does not understand her own work? If your message is one thing, but you present the opposite, to me you seem like a shitty artist.

    Also, is it possible to reach a point where shock is not shocking, but expected? Haven’t we reached that point already? In my high school art classes, and at the summer program I attended last year, people, myself included, made art meant to shock. Superficially, it did. But in critique it was obvious that there was minimal thought put into the work. Instead of making a pretty picture, we made ugly pictures. We may have had some message behind them, but the message was muddy. Really, we were interested in other people’s interpretations of our work. Sometimes, we made something insightful, but we didn’t know what the insight was until it was revealed by someone else in critique. I suppose there is value in asking questions instead of always making statements, but I cannot help but see laziness. It reminds me of a tactic poor bridge (card game) player. She will get to a point in the game where she is sure that she can win the rest of the hand, but she is unsure of how she would go about winning. The poor bridge player claims the win, and lays down her hand; her opponents see a way for her to win, so they concede. If her opponents are skeptical, she is demoted from poor player to embarrassed player, because she provides an incorrect explanation for her win.

    I liken Beecroft to the bridge player. She creates an insightful image, and she knows it’s insightful. She can show her work around the world, other people in the art world think it’s insightful, and perhaps provide an explanation why. But when a skeptic disagrees with her claim of insight, it becomes obvious that she does not understand her own work.

    I’m going to art school in the fall, so maybe I’ll learn something and change my mind.

  41. brownskinlady wrote:

    @ Joseph

    Your comments got me thinking. As someone who did not know Beecroft’s work, I thought I hated it because she doesn’t seem to recognize that the oppression is commenting on is in fact ongoing–rather than concluded and in need of her commentary.

    But I have not seen many live art performance pieces, so forgive my naiveness (or obviousness) in trying to distinguish the differences between them and photographs. If I follow your discussion, it seems that the most important element is who the audience is at her shows–perhaps not even us, per se as folks seeing stills of her live images. Your question on why she uses such blatant racist stereotypes is provocative particularly when we ask who she expects to view them.

    In one review of a show I read (James Westcott, “Black Tie v Blackface”) Beecroft specifically required her audience to arrive in black-tie through formal invites. Upon arriving to the show, the reviewer expressed his utter shame in seeing the installation, which was shackled (and I think semi-naked?) black performers in blackface. His review discusses how immediately, he realized that he had been manipulated into “dressing up for a slave auction”. Westcott interprets that if Beecroft’s performances are about her shame, “in this piece she was apparently trying to intensify—and share—the guilt by throwing a
    society party alongside a somber performance of a crime against humanity.”

    Also interestingly, Westcott says on exploitation and Beecroft, “Despite the superficial power dynamic of VB54—black tie vs. blackface—if anyone was being exploited, it was, as usual, the audience.” I guess I don’t know if the audience is always positioned as upper-class and white for her performances (does anyone else know?), but I do think that adds a different dynamic than I first thought when I saw her images. Though the Art Star and Sudanese Twins still complicates the picture for me.

    I guess first I thought I (as a PoC) I was not her intended audience because of her oversight–now I wonder if its intentional disclusion as part of a conversation she’s trying to have with other high society, wealthy white communities. I could judge her on that, but I suppose I should understand her intent first. But maybe I’m off on a limb here?

  42. atlasien wrote:

    @brownskinlady:
    “I guess first I thought I (as a PoC) I was not her intended audience because of her oversight–now I wonder if its intentional disclusion as part of a conversation she’s trying to have with other high society, wealthy white communities. I could judge her on that, but I suppose I should understand her intent first. But maybe I’m off on a limb here?”

    That’s being very generous. It’s also a great point!

    Personally, I don’t like it either way, whether a) audiences of color are excluded by accident/oversight or b) audiences of color are excluded on purpose. a) is insulting because I’m irrelevant whereas b) I’m already irrelevant but still insulted.

    It also turns the work into an in-group, closed-circle loop.

    I mean, it might as well be a debate over which kind of “GIT R DUN” decal to put on your bass fishing boat…. in that I don’t really belong to the culture in question and its stylistic decisions don’t concern or interest me. But at least that culture doesn’t claim to be universal.

    I have to disagree with some people on this thread that say artists should be able to explain their art. There’s a long tradition across many cultures of art being produced by mystics, mad people, children, etc… people who cannot explain their art or simply refuse to explain it.

    I think art is a complicated negotiation between the artist, the community of the artist, the audience, the community of the audience, and economic forces that act as the gatekeeper of what constitutes art and what kind of value can be placed on the art. It’s not possible to point at a single element and say “this makes something art” or “this makes something good art”. Every time someone comes up with a rule like that, it’s possible to find exceptions, or else someone creates an exception.

  43. atlasien wrote:

    I just wanted to add, I don’t think it’s wrong to ask artists to explain their intent… that’s part of the whole negotiation process.

    But as an audience member (a secondary one) I don’t feel like I need to know Beecroft’s intent in order to form my own (poor) impression of the projects. For other audience members, with different experiences and personalities and philosophies of art, explanation of intent might happen to be a lot more important.

    I just mean that explanation of intent is not the be-all and end-all of the process by which we receive art… it’s just one element.

  44. brownskinlady wrote:

    Atlasien,

    I think you’re right on that artist intent is just one element of the larger effect a work has. It can be revealing though–case in point with Beecroft. I just remember feeling overwhelming anger and hostility when first seeing these images. I never once thought ’shame’ or ‘guilt’ until I read the reviews by a (I’m assuming white) man. Even though I thought her work was offensive, at least by being able to guess at her intended audience’s response, I had a better idea of what she was trying to do, even if it pissed me off for being excluded (intentionally or not). As Latoya wrote at the start of this post, clearly each viewer informs his/her interpretation based on their own experiences–but I was so focused on my own thoughts that I hadn’t really thought about how a upper class white person would react to these images.

    I did have a thought that perhaps Beecroft is using these blatantly racist images to create a trope for white audience members to immediately feel shame upon viewing them. By highlighting a few features–maybe illuminating her white body in the picture with the Sudanese twins or by using blackface on already Black performers–she is simply trying to activate what she’s assuming are already present emotions of guilt and embarrassment for white communities. Which doesn’t impress me, but does give an explanation why her art may seem so contradictory. And in reflection of Latoya’s point, asks what Beecroft is assuming is in her audience’s experiences that she wants to tap into and exploit.

  45. Angela O wrote:

    oh art. always complicated.

    art is made, i think, within the sphere of understanding of the artist. the implications of the work for its audience are not always considered. sometimes the artist is oblivious to the problems their art can create for others who don’t think like them, and sometimes they purposefully create art that will offend and make others uncomfortable.

    Beecroft seems to fall in the first category. Now, should we forgive her for not knowing any better? For not being informed enough about issues of race to proceed with her behavior and art project and not considering their implications? I would say no, except I have encountered many intelligent people, who, by virtue of the places they lived in growing up, have no concept of race and its implications. who do you blame for that? if they eventually encounter race, hopefully they will learn. but some people don’t. *Shrugs. what can you do?

  46. Joseph wrote:

    @brownskinlady
    I appreciate your comments very much. And I think your care in thinking through the possibilities suggested by this performance dispels the notion that you have to be an “art person” in order to “get” conceptual art.

    Yes, I think the audience is a necessary element in considering performances. But I disagree with the idea that Beecroft is purposefully excluding PoC… I think there’s nothing stopping you (or me) from attending this performance/installation, but your experience would be different than mine and both of us would feel differently than than the white reviewer you referenced. And I also have to respectfully disagree with Atlasien: Beecroft isn’t responsible for creating an art world largely dominated by white audiences, even if she is exploiting that for the purposes of this work.

    The dynamic you described between the black-tie crowd and the blackface performers reminded me of different performance by Guillermo Gómez -Peña and Coco Fusco, called “The Couple in the Cage” in which they exhibited themselves in a cage at museums all over the world as an Amerindian couple from the undiscovered “Guatinaui” tribe. (There is a film of this and I recommend it very highly–you might find YouTube clips too). Anyway the dynamic is the same in that the performance used the objectification of PoC in white-dominated art spaces to expose their inherent racism. Like Beecroft’s blackface performers, Gómez -Peña and Fusco embodied every over-the-top native cliche they could think of … but a shocking number of people still had no idea that it was a performance and just assumed that these human beings were being exhibited to satisfy the prurient curiosity of largely white audiences. The main difference I can see between the Cage piece and Beecrofts’ is that she is white and is using black bodies in a very consciously objectified way (just as she’d used thin, pretty white women previously), while Gómez -Peña and Fusco are PoC. That is what makes this work so dangerous–she is, as a white person, consciously manipulating racist images. As I’ve been saying, I couldn’t judge what the effect is in performance although, frankly, I take the whining of the white reviewer as an excellent sign. If a largely white art crowd were horrified because Beecroft implicated them in a system of racist imagery by asking them to dress up (or, perhaps, simply made visible that they already were part of such a system) then I say more power to her.

    Truth is, the display of Black (and various other “Others”) for the pleasure of white people is an old performance tradition in the West. That the white reviewer felt shame means he knows this but is usually insulated from that fact. Seems like Beecroft took that buffer away from him and it pissed him off. Good.

    But I have been wondering… has anybody bothered to ask the black performers what they thought of the piece and why they chose to participate? One of the things that bothers me about this discussion is that so many people are assuming that Beecroft is objectifying them without their consent. But by leaving them out of this discussion we are buying into the racist cliche that these images embody. If I could I’d ask them, “Why’d you do this?”

  47. Joseph wrote:

    @m. dot
    Well, nobody hates a successful young person more than me, so I understand where you are coming from. But I disagree about Walker’s work– I love what she does, even though it makes me uncomfortable. (Actually, if I had to be honest, I love it BECAUSE it makes me uncomfortable).

    I hesitate to get too deeply into Kara Walker at the risk of derailing this fascinating thread about Vanessa Beecroft. She deserves a post of her own. However I do think that the outcry among an older generation of black artists and some black audiences about the content of Walker’s work answers the question that several people have asked about Beecroft though: “Would we feel differently if this work were made by a black woman?” Apparently, no.

    These images are so triggering for many African Americans that it doesn’t matter where they are coming from, or why–they are a line in the sand. I understand and respect that response, which is perfectly valid.

    But as far as not discussing slavery in mixed company that is kinda my point: it may be that Beecroft and Walker are forcing that discussion to happen by displaying grotesque, racist images in largely white art spaces. Now, perhaps that is not a conversation that you or other PoC need to have… but it is sure the elephant in the room among white people.

  48. Mahsino wrote:

    @joseph
    My initial distaste of her work was based purely on gut reaction. Personally, I’m not a fan of most fine-art after about 1850- it’s just an aesthetic preference. I also just don’t find performance art to be as valuable as say- a painting or sculpture- it doesn’t display the level of craftsmanship I prefer in my art, neither do.

    Another part of it is I hate when artists try (or at least claim as Beecroft is) to convey a certain message when they themselves aren’t well informed on it. If you’re going to try and send a message, you might want to be consistent about what that message is, you can’t rally against colonialism while simultaneously engaging in the practice.

    Maybe I don’t like her work because it reminds me of a piece I used to walk by on my way to class each morning last quarter. It was a garden gnome with a tin cup and sign that said “homeless veteran, please spare some change” (no doubt a commentary on the homeless population around campus). The message was supposed to be about “compassion”, but it was created by a hipster asshat who constantly sneers about the “bums” and their laziness. It’s the blatant hypocrisy that bothers me.

    If she took the Spencer Tunic route (”I take pictures of naked people because I just like naked people”) I would probably like it more, but the contradictions of her intent make me stick to my gut reaction of not liking it.

    Hopefully that’s a better explanation of why I don’t like it. My reaction to art actually tends to vary based on a craftsmanship perspective, and in the absence of that kind of tangible qualifier, my comments before were probably too general, because I hadn’t really analyzed my thoughts further than my initial reactions.

  49. A. wrote:

    Joseph,

    The reason I am not fond of her work is because it gives the impression to me that she’s not really doing very much to combat the problem of racism. She’s merely just showing in pictures in a way that will shock and offend, but meanwhile, she’s merely just using it as a conversation piece. For me, I feel that she’s co-0pting stereotypes mainly for profit. Attempting to adopt 2 Sudanese babies and strip them down just to use them for her artwork disgusts and sickens me. People may say, “Hey, I do love this culture,” but ultimately, they do nothing more than fetishize it without trying to actually understand what the people are going through. That’s what I feel that she does with people of color.

    If she wants to have a discussion about race among white people, then that’s fine, I congratulate her for it. But I feel that she needs to alter her techniques a little bit more so that she doesn’t screw herself over with people that she’s trying to work with. What is she doing to change the world? She can make statements all damn day, but ultimately, that’s basically what a lot of overly privileged white people do – is make statements but when it comes to putting things into action, they tend to be MIA.

    It’s not simply about art. It’s about something far larger than that which is what many of us on the site deal with daily – having our experiences co-opted and mocked and stereotyped for profit and being treated as if we’re some sort of sideshow, but meanwhile, after that sideshow is over, we’re back to dealing with the same stuff.

    Coco – I didn’t call her a hipster. I likened her to one, and just for the reason that you stated.

  50. Beth wrote:

    “These art projects seem totally designed to evoke reactions for white audiences.”

    This is the key for me. It seems to me that each of her productions is designed for someone like her. This is what produces the “post-feminist” moments, since her work simply ignores the men in the audience. Equally, it seems her recent work simply ignores people of color. The first of these statements is revolutionary, the second furthers the inequality, colonialism and power dynamics that have dominated the art world.

  51. Ms. R wrote:

    I am tired, so very tired of people slapping the ‘Art’ or ‘Artist’ on anything and everything, in order to give it meaning . And no, not all art is esoteric.

    To be honest this sentence here:

    ”Beecroft is a fiercely driven artist, doing whatever it takes to produce the work she genuinely thinks will change the world”

    belies Beecroft’s (supposed) intent. Change the world for whom? By doing what exactly?

  52. VEe wrote:

    Latoya,
    I’m simply reacting to the image with the Sudanese twins and the information from the Vulture blog piece about the documentary.

    Despicable.

    Using babies as props for a photo shoot to tell her story without any concern for the feelings of the sisters of the orphanage, is horrible. I think she is disturbed. This is situation where an illustration, painting would work better than a photograph. The children are not adult models who willingly will bend, twist and pose to please the art director’s vision.