Searching for My Pakistani Identity

by Guest Contributor Jehanzeb Dar, originally published at Broken Mystic

It started off funny. I was at the mall buying a birthday gift for a friend of mine and, as usual, the store manager was friendly and conversational. After she took a good look at my gift, the following conversation took place:

    MANAGER: Aww, is this for your girlfriend?

    ME: She’s not my girlfriend.

    MANAGER: That’s an awful lot of money for just a friend.

    ME: (smiles) Well, maybe you can lower the price for me.

She laughed as she scanned the item through. Another customer approached the counter and waited patiently. She decided to chime in:

    CUSTOMER: Ooh, you’re buying gifts!

    ME: (smiles) Yeah, it’s for my friend’s birthday.

    CUSTOMER: Aww, that’s so romantic, your girlfriend is going to Love it.

    ME: She’s not my girlfriend.

    CUSTOMER: Hmm, maybe she’s a special friend!

I laughed at how both of them were teasing me while I waited for the manager to package the gift. The manager was really helpful that day, so I asked her if there was a number I could call to give her an “outstanding” customer service rating. She showed me the number on the receipt and thanked me for asking. As the manager wrote her name on the receipt, the customer waiting in line caught me off guard with an unexpected question:

“What country are you from?”

For some reason, the question struck me in an odd way, as if it triggered an alarm in my head and sprung forth countless things I’ve been ruminating about over the past few weeks. It wasn’t a new question at all. I have brown skin; it’s easy to notice, so I understood. People ask me where I’m from all the time, but it was different now.

Almost immediately, I thought about the current crisis in Pakistan, I thought about the corrupt Pakistani president Asif Zardari, I thought about the Taliban taking control of Swat Valley – a beautiful place that I visited once – and I thought about the U.S. drone attacks in Pakistan and my sheer frustration with Obama’s foreign policy. Even though it only took me about two seconds to respond, I still had more thoughts and feelings swell inside me. I feared that disclosing my nationality would disrupt the friendly interaction I had with the manager and customer. I worried that their response would be offensive or ignorant and that I would go home feeling like an “outsider.” It was too late for that. And it wasn’t their fault.

“Pakistan,” I said slowly with an unfamiliar discomfort in my voice.

I was shocked at the way I responded, it sounded like I was ashamed of it. I noticed the shift in her body language when she replied with a simple, “Oh.” It was the typical response I usually get after I tell people I’m Muslim. An awkward silence followed before she politely said, “cool.” Again, it was nothing new to me, but when I nodded and forced a weak smile, I suddenly felt the urge to leave. I left quickly after the manager handed me the gift. “It’s ok” I told myself as I heard the fast paced rhythm of my shoes walking on the marble floor, “they didn’t say anything wrong.” I thought about the possible conversation that took place behind me. Maybe they said something ignorant. Maybe they didn’t say anything at all. Maybe they had negative thoughts about Pakistan, maybe they didn’t. Maybe they wondered where it was on the map. Whatever they said or thought didn’t matter. What mattered were the countless thoughts that surfaced in my mind.

As I walked to the other side of the mall, my memory traveled back to January of 2008.

Former Pakistani Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, had been killed in late December and it was the hot topic for a while in the mainstream media. I was on my way out of a post office one afternoon, minding my own business, when an older man smiled at me and placed a hand on my shoulder. “Are you Indian or Paki?” Caught off guard by the random question and his use of the word “Paki,” I smiled at the silliness of the question. “Umm, I’m Pakistani…” I said. The man’s face turned grim. “Shame on you!” he growled. Since there were so many things I was going through at the time, my grief reached a point where I couldn’t even get angry anymore. I laughed instead. “Excuse me?” I asked. He threw his hands in the air, “Your country is a mess! You guys are killing your leaders and your women!” You can’t be serious, I thought to myself. I couldn’t believe I was standing in a post office and listening to a man flipping out on me just because I’m from a certain part of the world.

I stood my ground and called him out on his ignorance. I told him he was generalizing about me, as well as the people of Pakistan. I also told him that it wasn’t fair for him to treat me as if I had control over what country I’m from. He apologized, “I’m sorry, you’re right. See, you’re good because you’re here. You’re good because you’re an American.” Right. Typical “melting-pot” remark. Let’s mix everyone together, cut them off from their culture and heritage, and give them one identity: American. “So what about my family members who live in Pakistan?” I asked him. “Are they ‘bad’ since they’re not American?” He replied, “Well they should come over here.” Yeah, like that’s a piece of cake. And besides, what’s up with the assumption that people living in the Muslim world want to come to the United States (or any Western country)? He apologized again and then asked, “Are you Muslim?” Oh boy. “Yeah,” I said. Before I know it, he was going on about Christianity and how democratic values are also Christian values, so Muslims could benefit a lot from Christians. I tried to enlighten him about Islam, coexistence, and how we’re all created by God, but it didn’t seem like he was receptive to what I was saying. He ended up making an insensitive remark about Muslims standing at the end of the line in the afterlife. He was trying to be funny. I couldn’t stay there. I shook my head, “whatever.” As I walked out the door, I heard him say “Ah, I’m just kidding!”

I had to disengage from the conversation because it brought back memories of something that happened to me in the summer of 2007. I was working a part-time job in the photo lab at CVS Pharmacy. I Loved my job, which is why the managers always called me first whenever they needed help. It was a really happy time in my life, I had friendly relations with my co-workers, and I was really good with customers. We were incredibly low on help that day though and at one point, I was the only person on register. The line only got longer and longer, and eventually, a cranky customer started swearing at me for moving too slow for her. I ignored it at first, but then she cursed at me again and told me that I “shouldn’t work here.” I explained that we were short on help and I politely asked her to stop cursing at me. It only made things worse. “Who the f*** are you to tell me to stop talking?!” she shouted.

Finally, my manager rushed back to the front of the store. He couldn’t help but notice the angry customer and her friend. “What’s the problem here?” he asked. Before I could answer, the customer pointed at me and said, “You better watch out for this kid otherwise he’s going to blow up the store.” I froze in utter disbelief. I felt the anger rushing through my blood and then I broke out, “What did you say?! Are you judging me by the color of my skin?! Why did you say something like that?!” She shouted back, “man, just do your f***ing job!” My manager intervened and told me to take a break. I listened and began to the break room, but I heard the customers talking behind me, “if he’s going to wait for us in the parking lot, we can take him! There’s two of us.” I was so outraged and furious. I turned around and said, “Who’s talking about violence here?” She said I threatened her first because I told her to “stop talking.” I shook my head, “No, I told you to stop cursing.” My manager stepped in between me and the customers. He pushed me back, as if I was going to hit the customers or something. “Just stop,” he said to me, “Just ignore them.” The customer’s friend stepped forward and said, “F*** you, terrorist!” I was so angry that I just stormed out of the building and drove home. I was notified a week later that I was terminated because the incident “created a problem” for the store and I was supposed to “bite my tongue” just like the “company policy” expected all employees to (how I handled the case, with the help of CAIR, is another discussion!).

I reflected on these two experiences as I walked out of the mall with my friend’s birthday gift. When I started my car, I sat and spaced out for a while. I thought about how my past experiences sometimes make me so tense and uneasy whenever non-Muslims ask about religious and/or ethnic background. With the current crisis in Pakistan, I worry that the ignorant and offensive remarks will only get worse, but amidst all the politics and personal fears, I am also bothered immensely by how distant I am from my ethnic background.

The next morning, I stood in front of the mirror and felt so unusually distraught. I stared at my brown skin, my black hair, my half-Kashmiri and half-Punjabi nose; I thought about my suburban-American accent and my inability to speak Urdu and Punjabi fluently. I felt a mismatch, like I was some kind of cheap import. I felt fake and counterfeit. I thought about all the times I see older South Asians working at local stores and feeling terrible for speaking to them in English when I could be speaking in Urdu or Hindi. When I walk away, I always wonder if they’re thinking, “oh the kids in this country forget their culture and their language, it’s such a shame.” In South Asian culture, we always refer to elders as “Auntie” and “Uncle,” so whenever I see elderly South Asians, I want them to know that they are “Auntie” and “Uncle” to me. Sometimes, it feels like my skin color and name are the only Pakistani things about me. What does it mean to be Pakistani? I can put on my shalwar kameez (traditional South Asian dress) and attend a South Asian event on campus, enjoy the music, dances, and food, but does that make me Pakistani? What do I know about Pakistan – the history, the culture, the people, the great mystics, thinkers, and leaders of the past, or even the politics? Although I’ve made attempts to re-connect with my Pakistani identity in recent years, I feel that current events (as well as things I’ve observed in other Pakistani-Americans) have caused me to turn inward again in efforts to attain a richer understanding of what my ethnic identity really means to me.

I was born in Lahore, Pakistan. My father’s family descends from Kashmiris who migrated to Lahore, and my mother’s family is Punjabi. Although I’ve never experienced what it’s like to live in Pakistan (since my family moved to the United States shortly after I was born), I’ve stayed there on long visits. The first time I visited Pakistan was in 1999 and I remember hating it. The bumpy roads, the crowded traffic, the poverty, the pollution, the electric cutting out randomly – it all made me miss the United States. At the time, as a 15 year-old, I admit that I felt better than everyone else because I was an American citizen. When I returned to the U.S., I would tell my White non-Muslim friends how proud and grateful we should be to live in America. Like many other Pakistani-Americans that I knew at the time, I made fun of Pakistani/Indian music, culture, language, accents, and dress. I associated all of those things with my parents; it had nothing to do with me. I was American.

I went to Pakistan again in 2000 for my Uncle’s wedding and my opinion of the country didn’t change much. I still thought it was backwards and uncivilized, although I remember seeing something that struck me as oddly positive. On our way to the wedding, a truck accidentally hit one of our party’s cars. The respective drivers – complete strangers – got out and shook hands! Then, we invited the truck driver to the wedding! That was something I don’t ever recall seeing in the United States. Still, I longed to leave Pakistan, so much so that I couldn’t even appreciate the fact that my Uncle’s wedding lasted for three days (as opposed to the typical single-day weddings I would see in Hollywood films). I couldn’t appreciate the decorations, the dancing, the beautiful South Asian dresses, or the immense amount of preparation that went into it all. I regret that now.

It wasn’t until I visited Pakistan in early 2002 when I really learned to appreciate it. As many of my friends know, 2002 was a special year for me. It was the year I discovered my inner voice. I remember sitting in the car while the driver navigated us through the busy traffic of Lahore and without warning, a question struck me in such a profound way. The question didn’t come from someone, it came from within: I asked myself, “Why do you hate this place so much?” I stared out the window and saw people walking with their spouses, children, and friends. They were going somewhere. To school, to work, to buy something, to have fun with their friends – every day activities that my friends and I would do except in a different part of the world. This place was home to them. “This is where you were born,” I said in my thoughts, “This place is in your blood.” It helped that I had a great time with my family that year too, but I also believe that these questions didn’t come to me randomly or without meaning. For the first time, when I left Pakistan, I was sad. Sure, I was happy about going home and seeing my friends again, but I also felt like I didn’t get enough of a chance to explore more, i.e. explore more about myself.

Since it was post September 11th, I was already experiencing a lot of hostility and prejudice in my predominately White non-Muslim high school because of my religious background. When I returned from Pakistan, classmates and teachers asked a lot of ignorant questions. Questions like: “Why do they have weird names?” or “Are they Taliban?” or “Don’t they hate America?” The most insulting one probably came from my friend’s mom, “Are they very pro-bin Laden over there?” I told her that Osama bin Laden was the last thing on my mind when I was there and I also added that she should visit Pakistan some time since it’s a beautiful place. As a result of my new appreciation for Pakistan, I started to become more religious and spiritual. It was the first time in my life when I read the Qur’an on my own free will and it was the first time I prayed without anyone instructing me to do so. It was a very special turning point in my life since I began to contemplate religion and spirituality in ways that I never did before, but what I didn’t realize was that my attempts to become a better Muslim actually distanced me from my ethnic identity rather than compliment it. In actuality I was doing something that many young Pakistani Muslims do these days: I was trying to be Arab.

Over the years, I’ve found that discussing Pakistani identity is quite problematic and controversial at times because it’s often perceived as “religion versus culture.” Generally speaking, we Pakistanis try to distance ourselves from India as far as possible because we think India is synonymous with Hinduism, therefore “kuffar” (nonbelievers/infidels). It’s silly actually considering that (1) India has the third-largest Muslim population in the world and (2) prior to the partition in 1947, Pakistan was part of India; therefore the similarities in culture, dress, food, and language are inescapable. In any case, many Pakistani Muslims in America cut themselves off from India and Indian culture in pursuit of an “authentic Muslim” identity, which happens to point to the Middle-East. In other words, we take on a pseudo-Arab identity.

So many times, I’ve heard fellow Pakistani Muslims saying that we should abolish culture completely because there is no culture in Islam. We’re Muslim and that’s it. I bought into that for a while. “Yeah, we Pakistanis watch too many Bollywood movies,” I would say, “We have girls dancing at our weddings, that’s not Islamic!” As I condemned Pakistani culture, I didn’t realize that I was adopting another culture: Arab culture, or at least what I perceived to be “Arab culture” (saying “Arab culture” is inaccurate since the Arab world is filled with diverse cultures, religions, and dialects, it can’t be narrowed down into “one culture”). In my freshmen year of college, I would wear my keffiyeh (traditional Arab scarf), drive around blasting Arabic music, and making enormous efforts to learn Arabic. To give you an idea of how much I studied Arabic, I can put it like this: my Arabic pronunciation is much better than my Urdu and Punjabi pronunciation. I don’t regret learning the amount of Arabic I know now; I admit that it helps understanding your prayers a lot better, but I feel a tremendous amount of shame when I make pathetic attempts to speak Urdu. When I throw in some Arabic phrases when I meet Arab-speaking people, they smile and tell me how good my accent is. When I try to speak Urdu with South Asian friends and family, they laugh because they can hear it mixed with my American accent.

I became discouraged when I saw the same Pakistani Muslims who despised culture taking dabkeh lessons (folk dance of Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq), smoking hookah, or wearing thobs (traditional Arab dress for men), as if there wasn’t anything cultural about those things. They would also rebel against the South Asian pronunciation of their names and pronounce them the “correct Arabic” way. It dawned on me that we weren’t getting rid of culture; we merely getting rid of South Asian culture – our culture. As Fatemeh Fakhraie writes in her brilliant article, “The Arabization of Islam:”

What is troublesome about all this is that most Muslims who are non-Arabs complain that they’re not seen as Muslims because they’re not Arab (or ethnically Middle Eastern, in some cases). But when non-Arab Muslims take Arab names or wear Arab clothes under the guise of “Islamic authenticity,” we’re all reinforcing the idea that we’re not really Muslims unless we have some link to Arab culture.

I have seen many Pakistanis Muslims using Arabic words like “akhi” (brother), “ukhti” (sister), “wallahi” (I swear to God), and even non-religious words like “yanni” in their conversations. There’s nothing wrong with this, but if they inserted Urdu words instead of Arabic words, they wouldn’t be taken seriously. Why? Because we don’t take Urdu seriously. The only time we’ll use Urdu is to be funny. It’s like, “haha, you sound like a FOB!” The only time we’ll use Urdu in a serious manner is when we’re speaking to elders (because it’s an “older people” thing, right?). Speaking Arabic, on the other hand, is taken seriously and even makes you look like a better Muslim. We attribute more religiosity to Muslims who can give khutbahs or speeches with “proper Arabic pronunciation.” Even at the recent CAIR event I attended, one of the guest speakers was a South Asian Muslim woman who made sure she pronounced every Arabic word and Muslim name “correctly,” as if not doing so would lower her credibility. It was interesting because I didn’t hear any of the Arab speakers pronounce Pakistan correctly (they said “Pack-istan” rather than “Paak-istaan”), and yet you see young South Asian Muslims striving to pronounce Arabic correctly.

But it’s not just pronunciation that’s changing. Words are changing and being replaced too. The best example is how the Urdu phrase, “Khuda hafez” (God be with you), has been replaced with “Allah hafez.” They both mean the same thing, but thanks to the growing influence of Salafi movements among Sunni Muslims in Pakistan, the use of “Khuda hafez” became gunah (sinful). “Khuda” comes from the Persian word for God (pronounced “Khoda” in Farsi), but since Arabic is taught to be the “Muslim language,” it has been replaced with “Allah hafez.” I remember, on one of my trips to Pakistan, I heard some of my relatives say, “don’t say ‘Khuda hafez,’ it’s gunah! Say ‘Allah hafez.’” As Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy elaborates:

Persian, the language of Mughal India, had once been taught as a second or third language in many Pakistani schools. But, because of its association with Shiite Iran, it too was dropped and replaced with Arabic. The morphing of the traditional “Khuda hafiz” (Persian for “God be with you”) into “Allah hafiz” (Arabic for “God be with you”) took two decades to complete. The Arab import sounded odd and contrived, but ultimately the Arabic God won and the Persian God lost.

And of course, there’s nothing wrong with saying “Allah hafez.” I say it now and then, but why are we labeling “Khuda hafez” sinful? Is one “more Islamic” than the other? Have Muslims forgotten that God teaches logic and reason? Does it make any sense that God can only understand Arabic? The same kind of propaganda was used against those who followed Jesus, peace be upon him, when they were told that Angels could only speak Hebrew and not Aramaic. Consider this Qur’anic verse:

“Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; by whatever name you call upon Him (it is the same), to Him belong the most Beautiful names.” (17:110)

Avoiding the use of “Khuda hafez” is also an example of how Salafi Muslims strive to abstain from biddah, or innovation, which in turn explains their strong opposition towards culture. Subsequently, we see Salafi Muslims seeking to purge Sufism (Islamic mysticism) out of Pakistan. The Sufis are Islamic mystics, who do not see Sufism as a separate sect of Islam, but rather an inclusive and necessary mystical dimension of Islam that explores one’s inward journey for God, self, and Divine Love. The Sufis often express their Love for God and the Prophets through music, dancing (notably whirling meditation), and Divinely-inspired poetry. Conservative Muslims perceive this as “Indian Islam” and accuse the Sufis of committing biddah and even shirk (associating partners with God), even though the Sufis, like all Muslims, don’t worship anyone else besides God. Qawwali music, for example, is a Sufi musical style of South Asia, but since Salafi Muslims condemn music, many Pakistani Muslims don’t learn to appreciate Qawwali for what it is. I remember one of my dad’s Pakistani co-workers was sitting in my car and he heard me listening to Qawwali music. He said to me, “man, why are you listening to this? You’re not supposed to sing about Allah in songs, that’s a sin.” I couldn’t help but think about the times I sat in his car and heard him listening to hip-hop music with excessive profanity and pornographic lyrics – he’s telling me that listening to Qawwali is sinful? This is just an example of how deep the conservative Salafi brainwashing is on Pakistanis. As is evident from my father’s friend, the conservative teachings even affect those who aren’t as vocal about their Muslim identity. As Sufi Muslims teach to be accepting of others, I’ve often found that conservative Muslims tend to be more about conformity, and this is a huge problem because it’s not only an attempt to pull us away from ethnic identity, but it’s also a way of “infidelizing” Sufi Muslims or anyone else who doesn’t agree with Salafi interpretations of Islam.

Recently, I gave a Pakistani cricket jersey to a friend of mine who became Muslim earlier this year and a couple of Pakistani Muslims in their mid-twenties made silly remarks about the jersey. They said, “We should get him a shirt that says ‘Islam.’” I felt like responding, “If he wore a shirt that said ‘Free Palestine,’ you wouldn’t say anything, right?” And it’s true, we see Muslims – both Arab and non-Arab – wearing Palestinian keffiyehs or “Free Palestine” shirts in the Mosque and no one makes an issue about it. No one accuses them of being more cultural than religious.

The little secret about us Pakistani Muslims is that we like when people mistaken us for Middle-Eastern. We get all flattered. Really? You thought I was Arab? Wow, thanks! But when people ask if we’re Indian, we respond in disgust. The first time I noticed this difference was in college when my professor felt like bashing on Muslims one day (she was one of the most Islamophobic teachers I’ve ever had). She asked, “Where are all my students from the Middle-East?” She immediately looked at me because she knew I was Muslim. “I’m actually from South Asia,” I said, “but thanks for the compliment.” Smile. I said that in defense of Middle-Easterners since there’s such a negative perception of them in the media (and also because Middle-Easterners get lumped together with Muslims). About a week later, I remember asking a non-Pakistani girl if she was Pakistani, and she responded with disgust, “No! I’m not! Why does everyone always think I’m Paki?!” Well, excuse me, I didn’t mean to offend you. I mean, ew, Pakistani? Who wants to be Pakistani? Ask us if we’re Palestinian, Lebanese, Egyptian, or even Iranian, and we’ll totally be cool with that. Why? Because we don’t want to look like Pakistanis. We don’t want to look like what we are.

The “Arabization” of Islam has gotten to the point where religious scholars from immensely popular Islamic websites like SunniPath.com teach that Arab Muslims are superior to non-Arab Muslims and that praying behind Shia Muslims will invalidate your prayer!

If Malcolm X was Pakistani, he’d have a lot to rip into us about. On one hand, we have Pakistanis completely emulating the images and behavior they see in Western pop culture and on the other, we see Pakistani Muslims trying to behave Arab in order to “authenticate” their Muslim identity. Either way, we’re distancing ourselves from our Pakistani and/or South Asian roots. Where did all of this internalized racism and self-hatred come from? Malcolm X was Muslim, but he also taught African-Americans to be proud of their roots and heritage. Why can’t Pakistani Muslims do the same? When bombs fall on Gaza, Pakistani Muslims throw on their keffiyehs, pump their fists in the air, and chant “free Palestine,” but where are they for Pakistan? Now, our country is in trouble. There are U.S. drone attacks killing innocent Pakistani civilians in tribal areas. The Taliban have taken control of Swat Valley, imposed their oppressive Taliban law, and destroyed over 200 schools, mostly girls’ schools. Did you read that? Good. Read it again. According to Tariq Ali, Pakistani author of “The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power,” the majority of Pakistanis are not only anti-Taliban and anti-extremism, but 70% of them perceive the U.S. as the greatest threat to peace in Pakistan. Will we Pakistani Muslims in America start educating ourselves about Pakistan or will we do what most of the Pakistanis at my Mosque do when I tell them the latest news from Pakistan: shrug their shoulders, shake their heads, and simply say “yeah it’s crazy”?

I have always told people (and myself) that I am Muslim first. I still say this, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t be appreciative or proud about being Pakistani. I am not encouraging fellow Pakistanis to support the Pakistani government – that’s not what I’m suggesting at all since the government is absolutely corrupt. What I am encouraging is that we care about the country we come from as much as we care for the country we live in. As Tariq Ali writes, the people of Pakistan cannot be blamed for the failure of their politicians or the recent violence that is unfolding. I am not saying we shouldn’t learn Arabic either. I still want to learn Arabic, I still wear my keffiyeh to represent the Palestinian people, and I still listen to Arabic music, but not at the expense of forgetting my South Asian heritage.

I try to make as many efforts as I can to brush up on my Urdu and Punjabi, and I also read about the history of Pakistan and India. I know all humanity descends from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both), but why do I have to ignore the people in between? I am not ashamed of my Buddhist, Hindu, or possible Jewish (many Kashmiris claim to be one of the ten lost tribes of Israel) ancestry. I embrace that. Why should we ignore the great mystical poetry of Amir Khosrow, Mirza Ghalib, Bulleh Shah, and Allama Muhammad Iqbal? Why should we ignore the beautiful architecture of Shah Jahan (he built the Taj Mahal)? I remember when I was listening to a Qawwali song by the legendary Pakistani singer, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, I felt like I was reconnecting with a missing part of me. I would constantly listen to his beautiful wailing and hear so many emotions being expressed: Love, yearning, pain, sorrow, grief, joy, and happiness. “This is the voice of my soul,” I would think to myself, “this is that other side of me that I have forgotten.”

The last time I went to Pakistan was in 2004 and it was the first time I visited the country with respect and appreciation. I hope to visit again someday. I often wonder if the country will recognize me as the child of its land or as some tourist just passing on by. I know I stand out when I go to Pakistan. It’s in my body language, the way I walk, the way I speak, but all that doesn’t matter to me because I know that I am striving to re-connect. I know I am making an effort. I would like to revisit the Tomb of Jahangir in Lahore to reflect on the timeless history. I want to see the city of Muree again and enjoy the beautiful mountains. I want to visit the Sindh and let my heart mourn with the tragic Love story of Sohni and Mahiwal (depicted left). I would like to visit Mohenjo-daro, one of the largest cities of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization. I would like to trace my ancestry, visit Kashmir and then India.

I am a Pakistani who has grown up in the West and I know that my experiences may be completely different from what people in Pakistan experience, but it still hurts me to see what is happening in Pakistan today. I still care. It hurts even more when I see such a strong anti-Pakistani sentiment in the United States. Discussing Pakistani politics is another blog post, but I would like others to know that Pakistan is a beautiful place filled with a rich culture that is struggling to survive amidst Westernization and heavy Salafi influences. I find hope in the fact that the majority of Pakistanis are strongly against the Taliban and the corrupt politicians governing them.

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said in his last sermon: “All humankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action.” The Prophet would not have addressed this issue if there weren’t noticeable differences among human beings. As the Qur’an says: “Another of His signs is the creation of the heavens and earth, and the diversity of your languages and color. There truly are signs in this for those who know” (30:22). There is also this famous verse: “O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, so that you may know one another.” (49:13)

In closing, I would like to share that as I wrote this reflection on Pakistani identity, I found myself asking, “Why is Pakistan so important to me?” I responded simply: I was born there. Many of family members are there. My ancestry is there.

Those answers suffice for me.

Khuda hafez.

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Comments

  1. CVT wrote:

    Thank you for this post. It hits home on certain levels. Nothing more to say than that. Thank you.

  2. Karen wrote:

    This is something that I wish people would see more. However we have too few people in the U.S. that actually want to improve and gain knowledge for themselves when it comes to East Asia and the Middle East and the politics behind it.

  3. Karen wrote:

    and of course the culture and beauty of what once was and what currently is

  4. Nina wrote:

    very good piece. thanks for sharing!

  5. atlasien wrote:

    I really enjoyed your introduction to the incredibly complicated interplay between culture, religion and politics that being a Pakistani Muslim involves.

    If Islamophobic racists would just SHUT UP for a second and really listen to accounts like this, things would be a lot better.

    I also wanted to bring up Buddhism (my own religion), not to change the topic but to present an interesting parallel/contrast to what you’re talking about. In the American popular imagination, Buddhism is stereotyped as kind of an anti-Islam: inoffensive, unthreatening, low-maintenance… and culturally accessible to white people.

    It’s a universalizing religion, like Islam, but what people often don’t understand is that there is so much cultural complexity involved, major divisions between different kinds of Buddhists, connections to political turmoil (e.g. Hindu repression of Buddhists in India, Buddhist repression of Muslims in Thailand), even a fringe of terrorists (like Aum Shinrikyo)… and American Buddhists who also have to make very, very difficult decisions about identity in much the way you describe as a Pakistani-American Muslim.

  6. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    as an Indian Muslim, I have such a HUGE issue with Pakistanis who are so ashamed of being South Asian and so desperate to Arabize themselves in order to distance themselves from Hindus. Nothing pisses me off more than that.

    Great essay. Many of my Pakistani friends often feel it’s safer to lie and tell strangers that they are from India, Sri Lanka, or Bangladesh.

  7. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    This is something that I wish people would see more. However we have too few people in the U.S. that actually want to improve and gain knowledge for themselves when it comes to East Asia and the Middle East and the politics behind it.

    Uh, Karen, Pakistan is NOT in the Middle East.

  8. Lamees wrote:

    @ Karen… Pakistan is in “South Asia”
    not the “Middle East” or “East Asia”

    i realize these geographic terms can beproblemitized further which is why I use the quotes.

    Great post…
    I remember hearing a Bangladeshi friend correcting my Afghan mom for saying Khuda-Hafiz instead of Allah-Hafiz. i remember wondering why it mattered so much, but i was very young at the time.

  9. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    Lamees, my family, me, my Desi friends, and all my Indian relatives, we say Khuda Hafiz all the time, but some Desi Muslism (whether Indian or Pakistani) prefer “Allah Hafiz.”

    I am not sure if this is correct, but my mother once told me that “Khuda” is an old Persian word for God, and some Muslims find that offensive so they prefer ALLAH.

  10. Lamees wrote:

    Khuda its the Farsi and Pashtu word for God.

    its silly because Arab Christians also say Allah because it means God, so i remember taking issue with arabization of even our hellos between muslim south asian friends

    i didnt understand at the time that, but i know realize its the Arabization and affects of Salafism even in our language.

  11. little mixed girl wrote:

    nice post.
    i didn’t know about the issues between muslims from pakistan vs. the middle east.

    i also didn’t know that pakistan was percieved so negatively by people.
    i guess, since i had always been cool with pakistan, i figured that other people might feel the same…??
    then again, i’m not around people who feel the need to vent about pakistan, and when i was growing up i had a number of opportunities to befriend people from pakistan, so i guess that has colored my view…

    chick at cvs needs a beat down though!

  12. Sobia wrote:

    So glad to see this here!!! I was hoping Racialicious would pick it up! Thanks Racialicious!

    As I told you before, I LOVE this piece and thank you for writing it. As a Pakistani-Canadian myself I can relate to much of this. I have been lucky to not have faced the explicit ignorance and racism you have based on being a Pakistani, but I have felt that sting of being made to feel like an inferior Muslim because I’m South Asian. I have been told by Arab Muslims that Pakistani Muslims don’t really know Islam. And I have noticed other Pakistanis in Canada being embarrassed about Pakistani culture, believing that somehow we are inferior. I have also noticed a trend among Pakistanis here to distance themselves from Indians and align themselves more with Arab Muslims. And as you said there is nothing wrong with appreciating Arab culture, learning Arabic or having Arab friends. However, when it’s done at the expense of our own culture and by denigrating and insulting our own culture then that crosses into uncomfortably racist territory.

    As you and I have discussed numerous times, defining a Pakistani-American/Canadian identity is made even harder by the fact that Pakistanis in general don’t have a well defined identity. When people think of Pakistan do they think of saris, biryani, bhangra, the tabla and sitar, red wedding dresses, rickshaws, or Mughal architecture (ie Taj Mahal-esque)? Probably not. But they should because all those things are just as much Pakistani as they are Indian. However, most people here think of India when they think of these things.

    And just to add a whole other kink to the issue is the attitude we sometimes get from our Indian “cousins.” Sometimes they forget that us Pakistanis are also desis or South Asians and those terms end up being used interchangeably with Indian only. We end up being excluded by other South Asians.

    Therefore, Pakistani and thus Pakistani-Canadian/American becomes a undefined identity. We’re not Indians, but we’re very much like them, and sometimes end up getting rejected by them. We’re not Arabs though we try to be like them, and sometimes end up getting rejected by them too. Its like we’re still wandering and searching for our own unique identity, as a collective group.

    We don’t have a unifying language or culture like the Bangladeshis do. Even when it comes to religion, although the majority of Pakistanis are Muslim, we still have many Christians, some Hindus and some Sikhs as well. Our history is rich with not only Islam but Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism. Those religions are just as much as part of our history as Islam is. And we should be proud of it.

    We’re a lost and confused bunch us Pakistanis. I’m not sure if any other nation is like this, but I have a feeling we’re quite unique this way.

  13. rsychc wrote:

    Thanks a lot for this post, and for clarifying the terms in your post for those of us who are only beginning to learn about these issues.

    I also appreciate the ways that your problem of being a naturalized citizen of the United States can create this “identity crisis” you talk about throughout your post. I wasn’t born in the US either, but I can’t subscribe to that melting-pot argument that people take to mean that once you step foot in the U.S. your country of birth and the place that contributes to your sense of selfhood is suddenly irrelevant or unimportant.

  14. Sobia wrote:

    Related to what rsychc and yourself brought up:

    In some way I wonder if being born in the US or Canada makes that resistance against cutting ties with the “motherland” harder. I was born in Canada and have lived here my whole life. Yet I feel a strong connection with Pakistan – a connection I’ve often questioned. Why do I feel a connection with a country I’ve never lived in? It often leaves me feeling like an impostor. Kind of like what you were talking about when you felt like a cheap import, except I feel uncomfortable when my passion for Pakistan comes out, almost wondering what right I have to speak about a country I’ve never lived in.

    I often hear that those of us born here shouldn’t care about Pakistan – Canada is home for us. And it definitely is, but I almost feel as if there is more pressure, or perhaps a different kind of pressure, on those of us born here to let go of the “homeland.” And this pressure comes from not only White/non-immigrant generations, but also those Pakistanis born in Pakistan but raised here.

    Aah…identity studies are my passion and considering my dissertation centers around ethnic identity, especially South Asian ethnic identity, you’ve tapped into a whole ocean of thoughts in my mind with this post.

  15. Abu Sinan wrote:

    As a convert to Islam many people want/expect me to take up “Muslim culture” ie Arab culture. I am married to an Arab so I guess that just doubles it.

    Anyway, I have a real issue with people trying to be something they are not. It has been a theme on my blog a few times. The whole non Arabic speaking using a word like “ya’ani” (meaning something like “um”) is something I cannot stand. It is fake and completely affected.

    Many converts loose their own identity in the quest for some fictional Islamic culture which doesnt exist.

    I am an American of German background and I dont need to hide that or change that when I change my religion. Besides, I can stick with my own culture and still have it intersect with Islam.

    Look at the most famous German writer, Goethe, and his connections to Islam and his respect for Islam and Hafiz, and look at the respect and admiration the most famour Pakistani writer, Iqbal, had for Goethe.

    I cheer you for finally cutting through the BS and deciding to be yourself. If people do like you for who you are……….too bad.

  16. Big Man wrote:

    I wrote about something very similar to this over at my blog recently. On yesterday actually. It’s crazy how people have the power to mess up your entire day with such small comments.

  17. Fatemeh wrote:

    Great post. Just powerful and great. :D

  18. Shorsh wrote:

    Jehanzeb, you have shed light on numerous and dearly needed questions and answers on identity and self realization of what it means to be a Pakistani in a country like US. I think your your analysis are profoundly sophisticated and very readable. as a Kurd myself and Muslim, i can understand what it means to be told that you should are not an authentic Muslim because you are not an Arab. Kurds, with their unique cultural and religious characteristics still are not considered Islamic enough by their Arab counterparts and repeatedly told that they need further integration into a larger context which is Arabic. I believe Pakistanis and the South-Asian peoples have done an enormous task in revitalizing, enlivening and spreading the message of Islam throughout the world and have become the guardian of this great Deen. That being said, i absolutely agree that all that must not be done at the expense of any compromise of one’s cultural and ethnic values.

  19. Elton wrote:

    As I said on my Twitter recently,

    That whites unabashedly ask such presumptuous and self-righteous questions about our preoccupation with race is prima facie white privilege.

    And I don’t mean just whites–blacks are often included in the construction of the “real American,” whereas Asians like my family and many others are perpetual foreigners, despite the generations we’ve been in our city and the contributions we’ve made to the local economy, schools, community, etc.

    My point is, where do “real Americans” get off asking such boneheaded questions of us? And why is it inappropriate for us “perpetual foreigners” to ever ask the same questions of “real Americans”?

    Why do their questions always contain such a tinge of “you don’t belong here, and I’m superior to you, and I own this country, so don’t talk back, you’re just a zoo specimen for my curiosity” self-righteousness, as well as a fake innocence of “well, I’m just being curious, can’t fault me for that, you’re the one who’s being uppity for not answering my every question, you overly-sensitive foreigner”?

    When I was a kid, I always chalked it up to my shyness and “real Americans’” direct, forward, and unabashed manner. Now that I’m older, I sense an insidious aspect of racial superiority/inferiority in my interactions with others. This is especially frustrating because I work at a high school where I am supposed to have authority over students, many of whom are white and privileged. I constantly have the strong feeling of my authority being challenged because I am a person of color and inferior to these tall, strong, smart, young, (confident and privileged) students.

    This has boiled over as of late when, after a schoolwide discussion on race (which turned out to be mostly a way for white students to deny white privilege and make accusations of reverse racism), I found some hateful graffiti on my hall directed towards a comment I made about white privilege–that white people cannot experience racism the way people of color experience it due to white privilege. (It said “White people don’t know what its [sic] like to be descriminated [sic] against BS!!!”)

    I still strongly believe that if we cannot get over this sociological fact–that white people cannot have everything–that certain things, like experiences of being marginalized, subjugated, and put down by racism are the sadly exclusive burden of people of color, then we can get nowhere in any discussion of racism. I’m not interested in sitting around for hours listening to white people say that being picked on in kindergarten means they know what racism is like, or to use their white privilege to deny their white privilege.

    Anyway, there is something extremely wrong with the way “real Americans” use their privilege to ask such rude and hate-tinged questions of “perpetual foreigners” and then use that same privilege as a shield from any sort of retribution. Well, such is life. I guess I’m just inferior.

  20. John Jihoon Chang wrote:

    Just wanted to say that I appreciate this piece in the ways that it intersects with my own identity issues as well as what I had to learn about those other issues specific to being a Pakistani American Muslim.

  21. Sarah wrote:

    You should try being an Arab (Lebanese) Christian and having to constantly correct people’s mistaken associations between your culture and a someone else’s religion, or feeling the need to append the fact that your family is Christian onto every mention of your national origin because people associate “that part of the world” with Islam. Then try doing this as an Atheist from a secular family. See how quickly it gets old.

  22. Jay wrote:

    Sometimes people ask you “where are you from?” just cause they’re curious and actually want to learn about cultures. They’re not always intending to be rude eventhough i know it can seem that way when the question comes out of turn.
    When i hear stories of how Southeast Asians and Arabs are often discriminated against or misjudged because of how they look and what people assume they represent i am kinda sad. At the same time i feel especially vindicated having been prejudged and discriminated by those very groups because i am a black man.

  23. karak wrote:

    Thank you for this essay.

  24. G.K. wrote:

    @Jehanzeb

    You deserve mad props for calling the old man out on his prejudice and for going off on the customer who was outright disrespecting you. Apparently she thought she could just dog you out because you weren’t white, and that you were just supposed to lay back and take it. Why the hell didn’t the manager tell her to back the hell up off of you? I mean, damn, SHE was the one threatening you,not the other way around! Having worked in customer service jobs, I know the customer is always supposed to be right, but you can only take so much abuse in the name of your job after awhile. I mean,seriously.

    I’m always interested in how race,religion,and gender identities intersect, and people manage to negotiate between the three,so I did find your article enlightning and educational. As someone who’s been interested in what’s going on in Pakistan/India mainly due to my love of Bollywood films (I’ve rarely found any Pakistani flicks, though I wouldn’t mind seeing some) this definitely adds to what information I try to learn about those particular countries. Again, a great and moving article.

  25. Nappy Mind wrote:

    I read Racialicious daily for stories like your. Although I cannot relate to your story, I really appreciated it. Thank you!

  26. Rchoudh wrote:

    I really enjoyed reading this wonderful heartfelt post! As a South Asian Muslim who also spent much of her life growing up in America, I could certainly relate to this.

    Now here are just a few observations:

    Islam teaches that one can appreciate the different cultures of the world, whether they be one’s own or other cultures, as long as one doesn’t start favoring one or more cultures over another. Islam forbids nationalism in this sense, where it leads to one becoming intolerant and arrogant towards others based on one’s prejudiced belief that certain cultures are “superior” over others.

    So in order to avoid becoming that way I try to appreciate the world’s diversity in cultures. For example, when it comes to food I not only appreciate cooking (and eating of course) food from my own culture (and other cultures within the South Asian region) but also food from other cultures, whether they be European, North or South American, East Asian, African, or Middle Eastern, etc.

    As for this notion that Arab culture is Islamic, this is a misconception brought about by the conflating of the two terms. Islam has only adopted the Arabic language, not the foods, dress, customs, wedding rituals, and assorted other aspects of Arab culture into itself. And like Jehanzeb said, Arab culture itself is quite diverse, which culture of the Arab world could you adopt and say was Islamic?

    @ atlasien

    You’re right many religions are complex systems shaped by both time and geography. I find alot of people who like to casually dabble in Eastern spirituality are unaware of its complexities. I myself remember once being astonished to find out that my Eastern Orthodox Christian friend was not celebrating Christmas in December! In this branch of Christianity they’re supposed to celelbrate Christmas in January I believe (sorry if I’m wrong about that).

  27. Rchoudh wrote:

    OK ok I should have also mentioned that it’s not just different cultural dishes that I appreciate, but also dresses and dance styles! I also love reading about the histories of different peoples and how they developed their civilazations. People who don’t know about the different contributions different cultures made throughout the world in everything are really missing out.

  28. Jamerican Muslimah wrote:

    Though I am not Pakistani, I can relate to what you’re saying on so many levels. I’m someone who is often mistaken for being South Asian, I’m a convert to Islam, and have been through the whole Arabization phase. All of these layers are enough to drive someone crazy.

    Thanks for writing this.

  29. fredMS wrote:

    i think this was the best piece i’ve ever read on racialicious. no offense to the racialicious writers. also i just had one question, im assuming the writer is a guy because of the girlfriend question in the beginning, so why would you wear a salwaar kameez?

  30. Sobia wrote:

    @fredMS:

    Men wear shalwar kameezes as well. Just as there are men’s and women’s pants, there are men’s and women’s shalwar kameezes. They just look a little different, but the basics are the same. Usually the men’s tend to be very plain with solid colours. If you’ve seen images of Afghani men what they wear is shalwar kameez as well. Shalwar kameez is a very diverse outfit.

  31. Joseph wrote:

    @Sarah
    “You should try being an Arab (Lebanese) Christian and having to constantly correct people’s mistaken associations between your culture and a someone else’s religion, or feeling the need to append the fact that your family is Christian onto every mention of your national origin because people associate “that part of the world” with Islam. Then try doing this as an Atheist from a secular family. See how quickly it gets old.”

    Huh. Why is it important to make this distinction to people you meet? Do you feel unsafe if you don’t reassure people you aren’t Muslim? I’m asking as a fellow Lebanese Christian (Maronite).

    @Jehanzeb
    I loved this. It is fantastic how you gave a 360 degree view of the racism you face: from clueless white people to fellow Muslims of different backgrounds to within your own community.

  32. Angela O wrote:

    Wonderful piece. I’m Nigerian, but a lot of what you said resonates with me – trying to reconnect with your culture and heritage, and being around people who try to distance themselves from it. Thanks for writing this.

  33. pm wrote:

    Really interesting article. Well written too. I learned a huge amount from that.

    I hope this isn’t an ignorant question, but in addition to the cultural issues you describe, is this ‘Arabification’ you talk about is in any way due to a direct influence of Saudi money?

    Here in the UK one sometimes hears of Mosques being influenced by Wahabism because of Saudi money (I just looked up on Wiki to determine that Wahhabism, the term that seems to be used here, is more-or-less the same thing as Salafism, I didn’t actually know that before).

    I have to say up till now I was completely ignorant of this cultural inferiority complex (I guess its fair to call it that, from your description?) amongst Pakistani Muslims. So in fact the power of the Salafi influence is much deeper than simply Saudis funding Mosques, which is the way it has been reported here?

    @sobi
    Funny you being Canadian. Is it wrong to mention that the need Pakistanis appear to have to differentiate themselves from India reminds me slightly of Canada’s attitude to the US?

    I think Canada has found its own identity now (to me it seems to make a better job of multi-culturalism than either the UK or US) but in the past did it not tend to look towards Britain simply as a means of not being American? Is there not a slight parallel with Pakistan looking towards the Arab world to distance itself from India?

    Australia too used to suffer from what was then called the ‘Cultural Cringe’. It’s well over that now though.

  34. pm wrote:

    Hmmm, having read a bit more on Wiki, it says that Wahhabi is the term used by Muslims resenting Salafi influence – so I guess that explains why I’ve heard it called by that term.

  35. luckyfatima wrote:

    This was a really great piece. These interactions can be so damaging to the soul.

    I am white, converted to Islam at 18 and had experienced a lot of what you mentioned of this Arabization thing, which is really a Salafization with a particular regional Saudi Arab culture pushed as “best,” I mean, they weren’t telling is to be Moroccan or Lebanese, what they are labeling as “pure Islam” is a Saudi culture!!! I ended up marrying a Pakistani guy and we live in the GCC and that pressure to Arabize is really strong for desis overhere, still and there are even da’wah centers here that teach that sort of thing. It is hard to watch and it really makes for a lot of cultural schizophrenia. It is like the more Arabized (Salafized) one is, the more religious one can be considered in the community, especially for women and dress. It is my impression that this has died down a bit in the US, though, but the damage has been done.

  36. usman wrote:

    Great post.

    I live in Pakistan, and often speak about the distinction between religion and culture. That we as Pakistanis are defined by both, and that our culture should remain and is South Asian.
    While orthodox Islam gains strength in Pakistan through the Talibanisation happening, I have also observed a great migration towards Sufism. My fear is that those who today occupy the mosque in Pakistan are those who believe in enforcing Islam as per their interpretations, and leaving no space for other thoughts. Moderate Muslims have to re-occupy the mosque if they are to strengthen Islam and help in stopping the negative stereo-typing.
    Sobia makes a good point when she says, that Pakistanis have lost their cultural identity. While traveling abroad I have to tell people that Indian and Pakistani cuisine are the same, we just do not have branding rights. The Indians are fortunate to possess those.
    Thus we struggle for a unique identity, somewhere between Middle East and South Asian. It’s a tragedy. Pakistanis need to understand what it means to be South Asian.

    @GK
    Look for the following Pakistani movies:
    1 Khuda Kay Liyee (In the Name of God.)
    2 Ramchand Pakistani.

  37. Taryn wrote:

    Thank you, thank you.

  38. Sobia wrote:

    @pm:

    Interesting point about Canada. I think for the longest time Canada’s identity was “We’re not America.” We also didn’t have that distinct identity, because as you know, both Canada and the US essentially destroyed our indigenous cultures. However, in recent years, we have been able to carve out a distinct Canadian identity other than one based on not being United Statesians.

    However, I would say that Canada looking toward Britain is different than Pakistan looking toward the Arab world. Britain and Canada still have strong ties. I mean, we still have the queen. Many ancestors of British colonizers can still name the village/town they came from in the UK/Britain. Its only been a couple hundred years.

    Pakistan’s link to the Arab world goes back to the 800’s when Muslims from the Arab world first came to India. Many South Asians, probably not just the Muslims of South Asia, are decedents of those first Muslims. From what I understand, my ancestors came from there at that time. But that’s going back over 1100 years. I think we lost that tie a very, very, very long time ago.

    Also, your point about Saudi money is spot on. They have been using their money to spread the Saudi version of Islam.

  39. Sobia wrote:

    Oops…I meant “Many descendants of British colonizers …” not “Many ancestors of British colonizers …”

  40. Carolyn wrote:

    This is an incredible piece. I really wish that the biggest message to me was so much more than a realization that my experiences with cultural identity and conflicts therein is so very, very, very ethnocentric, but your description was profound and I will not forget this whenever a conversation turns to Pakistan (and its beauty) and Muslim identities. It’s things like this that keep me from giving up on the Internet!

    @ pm

    Historically, I think White Canadians did try to identify more strongly with the UK, though I couldn’t begin to suggest all the reasons why. Nowadays, it’s more of a quaint affectation, and the relationship with the US is more complex and dominating in a little-sibling/older-sibling love/hate/envy kind of way. Again, at least for White Canadians — I can’t speak to other experiences except to note that as far as I know the Inuit/First Nations/Metis relationship was and is not rosy, within Canada, or with the US or UK, and neither has the immigrant experience consistently been. There isn’t really a pan-Canadian identity that I’m aware of.

    (aside: I have seen some Canada-specific discussions on this blog, and I would really, really, really love to read more, if there are potentially any in the works! /derail)

  41. Carolyn wrote:

    Wow, bad typing, as I managed to imply that “Inuit/First Nations/Metis” are in conflict with each other as my major point.

    Was supposed to be referencing how those societies and groups have had very different cultural identity experiences, both within the Canada-defined nation, and with other nations.

    Back to the original post, I just wanted to also say that I think these kinds of stories are a much more important way of learning about a different culture or experience, though I often hear people around me talk about “going abroad” to “soak up the local culture” and etc. I could go and visit Pakistan and spend lots of time eating the food, listening to the languages (which I wouldn’t understand), picking up some customs and practices, and yet I would still see everything through my own eyes, and personally I don’t think I would learn very much, especially being clueless and uninitiated as I am. I just want to thank Jehanzeb for lending his eyes. Education without appropriation.

  42. Jay wrote:

    I am British Indian, and I recognise the process you describe here in the UK amongst British Pakistanis. Also, the idea that Indians are some kind of ‘kaffir’ and repulsive people against whom Pakistanis define themselves as pure, is really offensive and racist.

    I have thought that one reason why British Hindus and Sikhs tend to be more integrated into UK society is that they are at ease with their identity on both fronts, they have a confidence and self-esteem in their multiple heritage. That’s why you get all these amazing cultural fusions emanating from the British Indian community, like music and literature and so on.

    British Pakistani Muslims are more ill at ease simultaneously fighting against their ‘kaffir’ Indian roots, and caught up in the whole universalist Ummah identity, and the turmoil in the Islamic world.

    Hanif Kureishi wrote about these themes in his novel ‘The Black Album’.

    As time goes by I see a real fissure between Indians and Pakistanis in the UK. Fifteen years ago they might have been united in general feeling and outlook. Now that has changed. Just as Pakistanis want to reject the ‘kaffir’ part of their identity, so do Indians increasingly want to distance themselves from Pakistanis in terms of their identity, and reject the whole ‘Asian’ signifier. I definitely feel that is how things are right now.

  43. SR wrote:

    Shabash. I share some of the same issues brought up in this post.

    I have always had an issue with the Arab cultural hegemony in Pakistani culture. I always introduce the concept of being Pakistani by saying that Pakistanis are a mix of Persian, Turkic, Arab, and Indian, I always dread when people deny one facet or another of that heritage.

    Since English was my first language, I was delighted to learn that Quaid-E-Azam didn’t even speak Urdu at home. When he gave addresses over the radio in Urdu, he did so by reading off notes in latin script.

    We are essentially a harami (bastard) culture, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

  44. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Thank you everyone for your comments! I really appreciate it being shared here on “Racialicious” :) It’s also wonderful to hear everyone’s experiences with their own ethnic identity.

    @ Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! — And it goes both ways, right? I’ve had unfortunate experiences with some Indian Muslims who made insensitive and anti-Pakistani remarks too. There *are* Indian and Bangladeshi Muslims who distance themselves from South Asian culture as well. I see them at my Mosque all the time. Even when Mumbai was attacked, we saw some Indian Muslims burning Pakistani flags and there were a few Indian Muslims online who cursed me out because I’m Pakistani.

    @ Jay — You’re right, I know people ask about our ethnicity just because they’re curious and want to learn. I don’t have a problem with that. Like I said in my post, there’s no way I can tell what people are thinking when I tell them, “Pakistan,” but what I *do* know is that it made me feel uncomfortable. It wasn’t their fault. It allowed me to question and deeply reflect on *why* I responded with discomfort.

    @ fredMS — Thank you! And regarding “shalwar kameez,” check out Sobia’s response (# 30). There is shalwar kameez for men too :)

    @ luckyfatima — You’re right about “Salafization” of Islam. I know there are a lot of Muslims who strive to find the “pure Islam,” i.e. one that is “free of culture.” I even went through this for a short period of time. I don’t think this has died down though. I’m one of the Youth Group coordinators/teachers at my Mosque and 90% of the students are South Asian Muslims. It’s not hard to notice the fact that the Arab-speaking students proudly speak Arabic with one another (as well as with their parents), while the South Asian students speak only English. Like I mentioned in my post, they’ll only say Urdu words to crack jokes or be silly.

    @ Sobia — Listening/reading your thoughts and views on this topic is always great. It makes me feel more secure about my Pakistani identity. Like you said, we have a lot in common with India and there’s nothing wrong with being Indian, but we are not Indian. We are Pakistani and we deserve to be respected by what we self-identify with, just like we should respect Indian Muslims for self-identifying with being Indian.

    I know you’ve heard me say this before, but perhaps we Pakistanis in the West create our own identity. Perhaps we can connect with our ethnicity, like being Punjabi, Kashmiri, Pathan, or Sindhi. As an artist, I see so many possibilities on how we can express the meaning of our identity based on where we’re from and where we grow up.

  45. Jen Wojtowicz wrote:

    Thank you for this honest, informative post.

  46. New wrote:

    “Sometimes people ask you “where are you from?” just cause they’re curious and actually want to learn about cultures. They’re not always intending to be rude eventhough i know it can seem that way when the question comes out of turn.”

    The issue is not necessarily that people are trying to be rude, and a person might be legitimately curious, but the fact that “Where are you from” is usually a racial question is a form of othering.

    For example, I have Asian American friends whose families have lived in the U.S. for many generations, but they still will have people ask them “where are you from? ” “Do you speak ____?” “I love girls from _____!”
    Since they look Asian, the assumption is that they must have parents who recently came to the country, and be culturally similar to people from Asia, when in reality, their family has lived in the U.S. since before WWII, and they have fairly tentative links to their “home” country. Sometimes people will follow up with lots of questions about when their family came here, what language they speak at home, etc.

    However, my best friend’s parents came from Poland when she was a toddler. She was raised bilingual, regularly learned about Polish culture, ate Polish food, returned to Poland for visits, and her family was part of a tightly linked immigrant community in the area that celebrated weddings and holidays in culturally traditional ways. She is never randomly asked where she is from, unless she meets someone from Eastern Europe since she has features very typical of Polish people–Americans don’t recognize distinctive differences in “white” characteristics beyond coloring. Even when people see her name (Patrycja HugeNameWithManyConsonants) they might make a comment about the unusual spelling or ask what kind of name it is, but rarely do they bluntly ask her if she is from another country. If she responds that she or her name are Polish, people don’t ask when her family came to the U.S., they just assume that she means her ancestors were Polish.

    Same goes from my boyfriend, who only moved to the U.S. within the past few years and has a very Dutch name but speaks English without an accent because he is good at assuming accents. People ask him if his parents made his name up, not if he is from another culture! If he says he is Dutch, there usually aren’t follow up comments or questions beyond “cool.”

    There is an assumption that certain racial and ethnic groups are somehow less American, and it’s reflected when people ask strangers with absolutely no language or cultural makers if they are from elsewhere, simply because they have certain racial characteristics.

  47. Sarah wrote:

    @ Joseph
    It isn’t so much an issue of feeling unsafe or uncomfortable with people assuming I’m Muslim as much as it’s a constant irritation to have to explain the difference between “Middle Eastern culture” and “Muslim culture,” especially considering the fact the nearly half of all people of Middle Eastern descent in this country are Christian. Many (though not all) Middle Eastern Muslims I’ve had conversations on this topic with have reacted defensively when I make the distinction between Middle Eastern or Arab and Muslim. I’m not trying to denigrate Muslims or distance myself from them, but there are huge cultural differences between my culture and theirs that aren’t acknowledged in mainstream culture.

    Also, as someone who views religion as an outdated, mysogynistic social construct devised before advancements in scientific thought gave our species a reasonable explanation for how we came about (BTW, the “God teaches logic and reason” thing nearly made me choke on my hummus wrap), I get angry when my family’s culture is confused with someone else’s religion. I think my feelings are justified.

  48. Sobia wrote:

    @ Jehanzeb:

    Thanks!

    “We are Pakistani and we deserve to be respected by what we self-identify with, just like we should respect Indian Muslims for self-identifying with being Indian.”

    The only thing is, we have to figure out what this identity is first. AND we have to figure it out soon before others decide for us what it is. In fact, this has become more urgent now considering Western nations have already started forming our identity – terrorists – by both creating the problem of terrorism in Pakistan and Afghanistan and by painting us as terrorists. Personally, I feel a strong sense of urgency and nervousness regarding Pakistani identity.

  49. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Jay # 42,

    I didn’t write this post so that people could start bashing on Pakistanis. Let’s keep in mind that there are Indians who have negative and antagonistic sentiments towards Pakistanis too, ok?

    To paint a picture that Indians are more secure with their identity and have “amazing cultural fusions” compared to Pakistan is very inaccurate and offensive. Pakistanis *do* have musicians, artists, and writers (have you read anything by Tariq Ali?)

    Using another group of people as a way to show how they’re “better” than another group is insulting. I’ve had Indian Muslims and non-Muslim say some really nasty things to me, but I’m not going to generalize about all Indians.

  50. pm wrote:

    @ Jay #42 and Jehanzeb #47

    I don’t think one can simply compare Pakistanis and Indian Hindus in the UK (I don’t know about British Indian Muslims) because they tend to be from different social classes. British Indians are from more middle class (and more educated and more urban) origins on average than British Pakistanis. So its simply not comparing like with like, regardless of what other factors one might speculate about.

  51. Sobia wrote:

    @ SR:

    “We are essentially a harami (bastard) culture, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.”

    How are we a bastard culture? I’m not following.

  52. KXB wrote:

    A heartfelt and well written essay. A couple of issues to keep in mind – of the world’s billion or so Muslims, maybe 20-25% are Arab. The top 4 countries with Muslim populations are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh – none of them an Arab country. So, if we were just playing a numbers game, Arab culture should not predominate, yet it does. This Arab influence pops up in the most unexpected places. When an Indian Hindu friend of mine married an Indian Muslim woman a number of years ago, they took a trip to Malaysia. At the hotel they were staying at, they took a swim in the pool, where there were a couple of Arab tourists. The men were sunbathing or swimming in the pool, but their wives would be covered head to toe in black, suggesting that they were not from a more moderate Arab nation such as Lebanon or Jordan, but the more conservative Gulf region. My friend’s wife was furious. In her mind, if the men were so concerned about modesty, they could have allowed their wives to stay inside the air-conditioned hotel rooms, rather than have them sit in the tropical sun like that.

    In the south Indian state of Kerala, which is almost evenly divided between Hindus, Muslims, and Christians – Salafist strains of Islam have made some inroads. Residents who moved to the Persian Gulf in pursuit of work often come back with a changed idea of what a good Muslim is supposed to be like. But it is unlikely to go beyond a few pockets – Kerala enjoys first-world levels of literacy (at over 90%, even for the women) – so they can figure out for themselves how to balance religion and the rest of their life, rather than depend on some imam or maulvi.

    Interestingly, two Muslim nations where you see far less insecurity about this are also in the Middle East – Turkey and Iran. Both nations are Muslim, and both are non-Arab. While Turkey is always trying to balance the role of religion in public life, you do not see any attempt to Arabize their culture. In Iran, people still celebrate holidays that pre-date the arrival of Islam. Part of this may be due to a history of empire. Both the Turks and the Persians have had extensive empires in the Middle East, and probably feel no need to adopt the ways of the natives they ruled over. In the film “House of Sand and Fog”, the middle-aged Iranian immigrant family get into an argument over moving yet again to another neighborhood. The wife yells, “I am sick and tired of moving from town to town like some damn Arab!” The husband, a former general in the Iranian Army before the Revolution, who now makes his living working on road crews in California, shatters a crystal bowl in anger and says, “You say you are tired of moving around like an Arab?! Well, I am tired of working like an Arab!” From his Persian viewpoint, being an Arab was being an uncultured laborer, living from hand to mouth.

    Which brings us back to Pakistan. Given the heavy Persian, Afghan, and Turkish influence in the subcontinent, I do not understand why Pakistanis will cast these Muslim groups aside in favor of Arabs – given that there is very little Arab influence in South Asia.

    As Ms. Dar points out, Bangladesh is also South Asian and Muslim, but does not display the same neurosis as Pakistan. Yes, Bangladesh has its share of religious charlatans who try to dress up their personal ambition for power as some sort of religious crusade, but given how argumentative Bengalis can be, they are unlikely to make any progress.

    To return to the Arabs, the original essay does point out that there is tremendous diversity within the Arab world – and many Arabs do not care for the company of other Arabs. Egyptians often say, “Egypt is a real country – the rest are just a bunch of desert tribes with flags.” Those Arab nations that do not have oil wealth view Gulf Arabs as a bunch of bumpkins who just happened to hit the lottery by sitting on top of all that oil. A year ago, when a representative from one of the Gulf states suggested that Iraq slow down its democratization, his Iraqi counterpart shouted back, “I am not going to take advice on governance from a Bedouin!”

    Iraq presents another problem for the Arab world – it is Arab, but it is majority Shiite. It is the only Arab country to be so, and as such, is viewed with some suspicion from the Sunni Arab nations. Some have suggested that an Iraq where the Shiites hold power will be more sympathetic to Iran. There is not much evidence for this. Yes, Iran has some influence in Iraq – but Iran seems more interested in stabilizing Iraq now. More stability means that the Americans will leave sooner, which is in their interest.

    I wonder if Pakistan’s issues would be better resolved if its elites could make up their minds about where they belong – to the Middle East or South Asia? Personally, I think they would be better off with the latter. India presents tremendous commercial opportunities for Pakistan. Pakistan is bordering one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and it is squandering that opportunity.

  53. Natalie wrote:

    Fantastic piece of writing.

    I’m a Middle East historian*, so I think a lot about the exportation of Islam and its integration with other cultures and the tensions that exist in trying to distill a religion to its “pure” essence.

    Not only has this attempt been wildly unsuccessful over the centuries, I personally find it undesirable. But I generally prefer more diversity of custom over less, if I have to choose.

    *(Obviously I know Pakistan is not in the Middle East, but Islam was a ME export.)

  54. SR wrote:

    @ Sobia.

    To be a Pakistani means to be an amalgamation of many cultures, so I use the term bastard casually in this regard.

    Since I belong to the Pakistani diaspora and becuase both sides of my family are mujahir (in Pakistani contexts, this refers to those who migrated to Pakistan after the partition), I tend to have a pluralist cultural perspective.

  55. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    “In her mind, if the men were so concerned about modesty, they could have allowed their wives to stay inside the air-conditioned hotel rooms, rather than have them sit in the tropical sun like that.”

    KXB – Maybe the women wanted to sit out in the sun. Did you ever think of that?

    Dressed all in black does not equal oppressed victim.

    Also:

    “but given how argumentative Bengalis can be, they are unlikely to make any progress. ”

    Again, really?

    With stereotyping like that I’m surprised your comment got passed.

    Stereotypes and anecdotes are not my idea of informed cultural commentary.

    Aside from that – Excellent post Jehanzeb

  56. sk wrote:

    This is an incredibly moving post, apart from being honest and informative. I feel very privileged to have read it.

    To Usman @comment 36, you’re spot on about Indian cuisine ending up with the branding rights! Though I always thought it was Pakistani and specifically North Indian/Punjabi cuisine that shared many similarities (rather than Indian food from other parts of India, for example).

  57. Jay wrote:

    ====

    I don’t think one can simply compare Pakistanis and Indian Hindus in the UK (I don’t know about British Indian Muslims) because they tend to be from different social classes. British Indians are from more middle class (and more educated and more urban) origins on average than British Pakistanis. So its simply not comparing like with like, regardless of what other factors one might speculate about.

    ====

    British Sikhs and many British Hindus are from working class backgrounds. In terms of questions of identity and social background and migration patterns there are definite similarities, and differing trajectories that are worth examining.

  58. Jay wrote:

    =====

    I didn’t write this post so that people could start bashing on Pakistanis.

    To paint a picture that Indians are more secure with their identity and have “amazing cultural fusions” compared to Pakistan is very inaccurate and offensive. Pakistanis *do* have musicians, artists, and writers (have you read anything by Tariq Ali?)

    =====

    I have read Tariq Ali, and am not really impressed by his work, but that is besides the point.

    Jehanzeb, it is my observation and experience that British Indians are more secure in their identity as British Indians, and this allows them to explore aspects of their ethnic heritage in fusion with their British and Western identity in ways that are creative and malleable, and that I observe exactly the same kind of confusion and rejection of the texture of ‘South Asian’ culture, the music, language, dance, cinema, amongst Pakistanis in the UK that you describe yourself. I wasn’t bashing Pakistanis, I was agreeing with your observations.

  59. Nathan wrote:

    Great essay, powerful look at some of the stress factors of culture and religion.

    “Recently, I gave a Pakistani cricket jersey to a friend of mine who became Muslim earlier this year and a couple of Pakistani Muslims in their mid-twenties made silly remarks about the jersey.”

    Boo! Tell them to rack off, there’s a lot of great tradition and skill behind that jersey! Can’t wait for the upcoming Australia v Pakistan series.

  60. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ KXB,

    I’m uncomfortable with the picture you’re depicted of the Middle-East and South Asia here.

    1. It’s wrong to assume that all women are forced to wear the hijaab in the Muslim world. Most Muslim countries don’t require women to wear hijaab, niqaab, or the burqa. Some choose to wear it, some don’t. Also, your friend’s wife was wrong in making the assumption that Muslim *men* were the ones who forced the women to stay outside in the sun. That’s what happens when people generalize: they make assumptions based on stereotypes.

    2. Citing “House of Sand and Fog” to elaborate on Persian culture isn’t exactly a good idea, considering that many Iranians weren’t very pleased with the way their community was depicted. I also don’t understand the point in perpetuating the hackneyed stereotype that Persians and Arabs hate each other. Just because the Iranian *character* (written by a White American author) says something anti-Arab doesn’t mean that it represents the attitudes that all Iranians have about all Arabs. I mentioned in another comment that I didn’t write this post for people to bash on Pakistanis and I would also like to stress that I didn’t write this post for people to bash on Arabs either.

    3. As Safiya Outlines pointed out, your statement about Bengalis is quite offensive. You make generalizations about Egyptians and Iraqis too.

    4. Pakistan’s elites don’t need to make up their minds about identity — the Pakistani people have expressed their strong dislike and opposition against extremists like the Taliban. There are Pakistani musicians, filmmakers, and writers, and the more they grow, the stronger impact they can have on helping Pakistan find it’s identity. This is evident in how more Pakistanis are receiving a lot of recognition in Bollywood (see Atif Aslam and Rahat Fateh Ali Khan) The government needs to change, education needs more funding, the poverty issues need to be solved, the leaders need to start listening to the people, and the Pakistani government should cleanse itself of U.S. dependency.

    5. It’s Mr. Dar. Not “Ms. Dar” :)

  61. Samia wrote:

    I love you for writing this. Thank you so much.

  62. Rchoudh wrote:

    @ KXB

    I wonder if Pakistan’s issues would be better resolved if its elites could make up their minds about where they belong – to the Middle East or South Asia? Personally, I think they would be better off with the latter. India presents tremendous commercial opportunities for Pakistan. Pakistan is bordering one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and it is squandering that opportunity

    I’m trying to understand why Pakistan would have to choose between the two. Can’t it develop good relations with both regions (ME and SA)? Even though Pakistani culture is similar in many ways to Northwest Indian culture, like you said it has also been influenced by Afghan, Persian, and Turkish cultures too (along with a dash of Arab). And while I’m also sure Pakistan realizes it would be nice to develop relations with India, the Kashmir problem has to first be taken care of between them. Until that happens both nations will continue to keep relations at a distance.

  63. usman wrote:

    Iran is not an Arab country. As a matter of fact the Arabs looked down upon the Iranians and called them Ajmis; this predates the arrival of Islam in Arabia.

    The reason for the false sense of Arab superiority was the great command the Arabs possessed in language, poetry etc. They bracketed everyone non-Arab as Ajmi. That is why the Prophet (pbuh) said: that an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab and vice versa.

    I just wanted to clarify a comment above.
    —————-
    Regarding the burqah issue, in some cultures the burqah is part of culture. In pakistan you shall find Muslims, Hindus and Christians all dressing with modesty.
    However in Punjab the burqah is not essential, more choice; whereas in NWFP, next to Afghanistan, it has always existed and still does.

  64. attack_laurel wrote:

    Thank you so much for writing this, it was beautiful (and, in the case of the racism you experienced, infuriating).

  65. Joseph wrote:

    @all
    this thread is making me really happy… the plural nature of South Asia and the Middle East are acknowledged and the tensions that arise from cultural differences are being explored (mostly) really thoughtfully. Does my heart good to see that such a thing is possible.

    Thank you again Jehanzeb for initiating such a great discussion with your post.

  66. KXB wrote:

    I find it amusing that I am taken to task for the simple observation that Bengalis are an argumentative bunch. Given that I was born to Bengali parents, went to Bengali Sunday school, and waste too many holidays listening to Bengali men discuss what is wrong with everything in the world (without lifting a finger to fix it) – all of those observations are from 36 years of first-hand experience.

    As for my suggestion that Pakistan would be better off realizing it is a South Asian nation, and not a Middle Eastern one – how does one interpret that to mean Pakistan should be hostile to the Middle East? India is a South Asian nation, but enjoys warm relationships with all the nations of the Middle East without exhibiting Pakistani insecurities. India is one of the few countries to have Israel as an important supplier of defense equipment, while using Iran as a supplier to meet its rising energy demands. It is possible for Pakistan to work with other nations, without having to adopt false identities.

    Jehanzeb- perhaps you did not read a few sentences earlier where I wrote, “The men were sunbathing or swimming in the pool, but their wives would be covered head to toe in black, suggesting that they were not from a more moderate Arab nation such as Lebanon or Jordan, but the more conservative Gulf region.” I am well aware of the variation among different Arab nations.

    As for the idea that any woman would like to sit under the hot tropical Malay sun, with 90% humidity, smothered in heavy black cloth – given that the Malay women (who are also Muslim) do not dress like that, the idea that the Arab tourists women chose to dress like that is highly suspect. By analogy – my Bengali mother, her sister, and their Bengali friends – all in the U.S. generally wear American clothes on a daily basis for convenience. But, when their mother-in laws would stay with them in the U.S. for extended periods, they all wore saris, despite the inconvenience – because they wanted to show they were good Bengali wives. That they took good care of their families seemed to be secondary to how they were dressed. Enforced modesty is not really an exercise of choice or a virtue.

    I knew a number of Iranians who were quite happy with the film House of Sand and Fog (a work of fiction, BTW, which means it has little obligation to encapsulate every Iranian immigrant experience). For many, it showed how much they lost when they fled Iran, how much they sacrificed when they got to the U.S., how many hoped to return. They appreciated the complexity of the characters.

  67. Zara wrote:

    Thanks for writing such a nice article

  68. KXB wrote:

    “5. It’s Mr. Dar. Not “Ms. Dar” :)

    My bad ;)

  69. Joseph wrote:

    @KXB
    Forgive my directness but you don’t seem to be getting what people are saying so I’ll be blunt: please stop deciding what Arab/Muslim women are thinking. No matter how “highly” you suspect the shape of the situation the only way to know… would be to actually ask the women in question. Your assumption may be correct or it may not but using it to make a generalization about all veiled women arrogantly reduces them to characters in a little play you have going in your head, thereby denying their basic humanity.

    I have no doubt that the women in your family are formidable in their own right but it is a terrible mistake to imagine that the way they choose to dress themselves in various situations has any bearing at all on the rest of the world.

    Please try to find another way to make your point.

    Thank you.

  70. Asad wrote:

    Salaam Jahanzeb,
    As a Pakistani-American, I identify with a lot you have wrote in this brilliant piece. You have a great talent for writing. And I thank you for writing this.

    I’ve heard the same Khuda Hafiz/Allah Hafiz comments myself, fortunately not from my own family. It might be because we come from a Shia family and are conscious of the major Salafi influences that Pakistan has seen in recent years. You might say saying KHUDA Hafiz to a Salafi is almost an act of defiance against their desire to project a unitary vision of Islam.

    I also have shared many of your experiences in listening to the great works of Qawwali by our masters in Pakistan. It has been a cathartic experience for me many times.

    I’m supposed to be writing a paper for school right now but I’m hooked onto your blog and other writings. Keep writing.
    khuda hafiz
    Asad

  71. Sobia wrote:

    @Jay:

    But then there is also the issue of Indians rejecting Pakistanis. A friend of mine, who is Pakistani-Canadian, was recently in Mumbai and noticed many anti-Pakistani t-shirts. She said she found it very hurtful. Additionally, many Indian celebrities have come out and said some very insulting things about Pakistanis working in the Indian entertainment industry.

    And I’ve mentioned on another post criticisms of a certain supposedly “desi” American blog, which in reality is an Indian-American blog, which often has anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam comments on it.

    Therefore, although there is indeed an effort by many Pakistanis of distancing themselves from Indian culture, which I think is unfortunate, I also cannot ignore the sometimes hostile attitudes we get from Indians, including those among the diaspora, as well.

    Now which comes first, or if one even triggers the other, I have no idea. But the reality is that there is a lot of propaganda being fed on both sides against the other. It is necessary for the critical mind to question it.

    However, having said that I have also seen many, many examples here in Canada of Indians and Pakistanis get along beautifully and acting in solidarity against racism and in support of each other.

    ————————————————

    On another general note:

    The anti-Arab comments are not cool. We need to challenge racism and discrimination without demonizing a whole group. Considering Arabs are already terribly demonized in the West we need to find a way to balance between challenging the racism that exists between ethnic groups without further stigmatizing each other.

  72. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @Jehanzeb–to add to the chorus, this is an gorgeously brilliantly written post. Thank you so much for it.

  73. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Sarah,

    You wrote “I’m not trying to denigrate Muslims or distance myself from them, but there are huge cultural differences between my culture and theirs that aren’t acknowledged in mainstream culture.”

    That is an interesting statement. I have spent a lot of time in the Middle East, both in Christian communties in places like Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon, and the wider Middle East.

    I cannot say that I noticed any “huge” cultural differences between Muslims and Christians within any given culture in the Arab world.

    For example, I found the largest differences were between regions and countries, not religions. A Christian Jordanian would have much more in common with a Muslim Jordanian than a Christian Egyptian. A Christian from Beirut had much more in common with even a Shi’ite from South Beirut than they would with a Christian from Iraq.

    Arabs, of all religions, have more in common with each other than they do with people of even the same faith from other countries.

    I noticed this when I met Shephardic (Arab) Jews in Israel. They had more in common with other Arabs than the Israeli Jews, the only thing that prevented that association was the Israeli/Arab issue.

    I think Arabs, of all religions, have more in common with each other than they do of anyone else, no matter what religion.

    Now if someone conflatted you, as an Arab Christian, with a Pakistani Muslim, I’d agree. But that fact that you are a Christian Lebanese doesnt mean you have more in common with a Catholic Italian based on religion.

    Your example of the US is a good one to draw on. More than 50% of the Arab community here is Christian, yet they tend to hang out at the same places and shop at the same places as their Arab Muslim counterparts.

    It is the culture that trumps all, that is why Christian Pakistanis will feel more at home with Muslim Pakistani than Nigerian Christians.

    I have seen some Arab Christians who feel that they are required to point out that they are not “the bad Arabs” rather they are “the good Arabs”.

    This plays into ignorance about the Middle East by the people in the West and ignores the fact that the people who hate Arabs and Middle Easterners arent going to care whether you are Maronite, Shi’ite, Druze or Sunni. They arent going to know anything besides the fact that they hate people who come from that area.

  74. Imran Ahmed wrote:

    that is so nice you’ve written and that is truth and that is the point to think us where we are standing now as a pakistani?

  75. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    KXB – I’ll spell it out for you clearly.

    Knowing people from area X does not mean you can make sweeping statements about the entire area.

    I am finding your comments incredibly offensive.

  76. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Asad,

    You write “I’ve heard the same Khuda Hafiz/Allah Hafiz comments myself, fortunately not from my own family. It might be because we come from a Shia family”

    That doesnt mean much. “Khuda Hafiz” is the only Farsi/Urdu I know and I used it with a Pakistani Shi’ite friend of mine once and he corrected me with “Allah Hafiz”.

  77. Asad wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan

    You are right. There is also a puritanical trend amongst young Shia Pakistani-Americans that I have come across. Like the Pakistani-Americans that the author speaks of in this piece, these youth want to divorce themselves of any connection to non-Arab civilization (i.e. Iranian, Hindu influences, exchanges). They must also be included in the same discussion as the author’s friends in this post.

    Also, it’s important to note that most major news anchors I’ve at least seen on Pakistani TV use “Allah Hafiz.” I can’t remember the last time a TV show host or news anchor might have used “Khuda Hafiz.”

  78. Asad wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan
    I should have mentioned that I am not assuming that your friend is “puritanical”

  79. Sarah wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan

    Let me start by saying I re-read my previous post and realized I forgot to edit the sentence you referenced. Way too many uses of the world culture. Sorry.

    I’ve never met a Lebanese Muslim outside of Lebanon. Most American Lebanese are (to my knowledge) Maronite or Eastern Orthodox Christian. Since I cannot judge how much I would have in common with a Lebanese-American Muslim, It’s very possible that my feelings of dissociation towards Muslims I meet from other Arab countries are due to culture rather than religion. However, most of the people in my family’s social circle are Arab Christians (most Lebanese, some not). The area of Lebanon we’re from is predominantly Christian and when family members and friends my age go to Lebanon, they spend most of their time on the beach or in nightclubs, not places where one typically runs into devout Muslims. What I’m trying to get at here is that Christian Arabs tend to be more secularized than Muslims. For example, Lebanon, which is 50% Christian, is the most socially liberal country in the Middle East (outside of Israel). The “huge cultural differences” I was talking about have more to do with that than what kind of food we eat.

  80. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Sarah,

    It would seem that maybe I have traveled a bit more in the Arab world than you have. Again, it seems to me you are using religion to separate culture and I dont think you can really do that in the Middle East.

    I have been to Beirut and seen Muslim men and women hitting the clubs and drinking, dancing, you name it. I have also know Lebanese Christians who do not drink and are much more conservative than other Shi’ite and Sunni Lebanese.

    That is why I make the point that using religion as a divider in the Middle East doesnt really work. Christians and Muslims, they inhabit the same culture and it is their personal choices as to religion which might change which portions of the culture they take part in, but at the end of the day they both inhabit the same culture and have same cultural references points.

    I agree that Christian Arabs tend to be more secular, but that doesnt mean that they inhabit different cultures or that a Christian Arab, by virtue of their choice to be secular, then becomes more attuned to other Christian cultures than the Arab one they are a part of.

    As to Lebanon being 50% Christian, no one would make that claim now. That is based on figures from census done decades ago. Christians are the minority in Lebanon and have been for some time. The only real argument is just what the numbers are. Estimates range from 35% to 45% of the Lebanese population.

    The largest group in Lebanon now are the Shi’ites, although this cannot be officially confirmed because the parties with the most to loose, ie Christians and Sunnis, tend to be against doing a new formal census because they are well aware of the fact that using a decades old census favours them and disadvantages the Shi’a.

    The problem is, this lack of fair numbers in the census also means that Shi’ites do not get fair representation for their actual numbers in Paliament, whereas Sunni and Christian groups are over represented.

    Again, even if your family comes from a largely Christian area of Lebanon they’ll still have MUCH more in common with Sunni or Shi’ite Lebanese than they will with a Catholic from Baden Wurttemberg.

    Try hitting up a Catholic from Dresden about Mezza, Kibbeh, or Manaeesh see what you come up with. Ask an Anglican from London about debka and see what they know.

    The shared culture in Lebanon transcends religion and I really have a hard time with certain segments in Lebanon who work really hard to down play their Arabness and who strive at every turn to try and play up commonalities and similiarites with peoples outside of Lebanon, especially Europe.

    It just isnt there. The people of Lebanon are just that, Lebanese, no matter their sectarian affiliation and will always have more in common with each other than with outside groups.

    The same people who sell this stuff are the quasi fascists who call Shi’ites “Iranian” and claim that they really have an Iranian culture.

    It is a mind set that seeks to divide the Lebanese people.

  81. Joseph wrote:

    @Abu Sinan
    … “it seems to me you are using religion to separate culture… ”

    That is exactly right. It’s a Lebanese Christian notion– The idea that Christianity creates a force field that keeps the “Arab” out. Lebanese Christians are notorious for pretending otherwise, to the point of convincing ourselves we are a completely separate species than “the Arabs.” When you write, “The people of Lebanon are just that, Lebanese, no matter their sectarian affiliation and will always have more in common with each other than with outside groups” you are right. And of course since Syria and Lebanon used to be the same country you could extend that argument to include Syria… but try wandering into Maronite church and making that argument…

    Sarah, I am not attacking you by saying this, and I don’t want to insert another narrative into this valuable thread about Pakistani identity but… I have heard sentiments like yours expressed many times by Maronite Catholics. My own family tends to think this way.

    But I don’t. And it bothers me for all of the reasons Abu Sinan has said.

  82. Alok wrote:

    Pretty good and honest article. Hope real muslims stand up and define their belief for themselves and not let a radicalized mullah tell them what their religion means.

  83. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Alok,

    “Hope real muslims stand up and define their belief for themselves.”

    Yeah, we do stand up. We have been doing it since 9/11.

  84. Khanman786 wrote:

    ASAK,

    Thank You Jehanzeb Dar for posting this article, I can relate so much to this especially since 9/11.

    I would just add this, along with the sterotyping you mentioned, when Muslims, ask me am I Shia or Sunni. I get that

    uncomfortable feeling of if I tell them I am Shia, I have done something wrong!!

    May Allah guide us all to one Muslim Ummah!!! (God is Great!!!) is the 1st step in getting non-muslims to understand. If we are united no one can tear us apart.

    Khuda Hafiz and Allah Hafiz To my fellow Muslims!!!

  85. Pakistani first wrote:

    Great post…. was quite moving. I’m also glad that you’re coming to terms with your identity, which is something all of us battle, and in many instances is something we continue to battle. Khuda Hafiz :)

  86. Sobia wrote:

    @Alok:

    “Hope real muslims stand up and define their belief for themselves and not let a radicalized mullah tell them what their religion means.”

    We already have been. Not just since 9/11 but for centuries. And still are. You just haven’t been listening.

  87. Sarah wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan
    “I agree that Christian Arabs tend to be more secular, but that doesnt mean that they inhabit different cultures or that a Christian Arab, by virtue of their choice to be secular, then becomes more attuned to other Christian cultures than the Arab one they are a part of.”

    How could one become more attuned to a Christian culture by choosing to be secular?

    The point I was trying to make in my posts was that Middle Eastern culture includes Middle Eastern Christians, secular or not, and as someone from that cultural subset, I’m fairly tired of the Middle Eastern=Muslim confusion. Just as not all Muslims are from the Middle East, not all people from the Middle East are Muslim.

    While we’re on the topic of cultural recognition, I think it would be nice if Lebanon got some (just a little) credit for Salma Hayek and Shakira.

  88. Abu Sinan wrote:

    We, as Muslims, have been speaking out against these peoples and movements since BEFORE 9/11. It just isnt sensational, so the media doesnt cover it.

    As the Sunni/Shi’a thing, although I am Sunni I have nothing against Shi’a. We are all Muslim after.

  89. Kudret wrote:

    Hey,

    As a American Born Confused Desi (specifically Pakistani) this article resonated with me SO much that I sent it to all my relatives….I really liked it and enjoyed it.

  90. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Sarah,

    Your original post came off like a fair amount of Lebanese who really seek to downplay their Arab and Middle Eastern roots and cling to anything European. Such ideas and thoughts are based on racism, the idea that Arabs are inferior to Europeans, so they want to associate themselves with an imaginary European history.

    I have even run into Lebanese who act like they dont speak Arabic, that they are native French speakers, but anyone who has taken two years of High School French could see that wasnt true.

    Sure, not all Middle Easterns are Muslims, but the majority area, and they are all Middle Eastern.

    You write “While we’re on the topic of cultural recognition, I think it would be nice if Lebanon got some (just a little) credit for Salma Hayek and Shakira.”

    Based on what? Genetics? Accident of birth? Neither of them have ever lived in Lebanon so I dont see much credit to give.

    I am not much into giving credit based on race and genetics. The closest thing to credit here should go to Fairuz, who happens to be the first album Shakira had.

    As to Selma, it is not coincidence she rarely, if ever, talks about the Lebanese connection. Her father, the guy with Lebanese background, dumped their mother and the kids when she was young. No love lost there it would seem.

    This sort of claim based on distant ethnic/racial backgrounds always seems to me to be a mutant form of Nationalism, and I cannot stand Nationalism.

    Shakira and Selma are successful because of their hardwork and good luck, being Lebanese, Columbian or Mexican had nothing to do with it.

  91. Khanman786 wrote:

    However since 9/11 it has been extremly covered maybe I did not notice it as much as before 9/11, but I never felt the way I do today before 9/11, or I don’t remember if I felt that way.

    But 9/11 changed the world and perception on Muslims everywhere. Especially in the US.

    I can remember going in to Islamic Chat Rooms after 9/11 and seeing all the hateful statements being said.

    When you walk to your seat on a plane and you see all the eyes staring at you and you think in the back of your head, what are they thinking of me or are they getting more alert.

    The feeling of an “outsider” is more felt these days then ever.

    I am a Proud Muslim from Pakistan living in US . But we Muslims have to work alot harder to fit in and become successful. No excuses, but it is just reality.

    Again great article!!

  92. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Sobia and Abu Sinan,

    Thank you. Both of you are right, we have been speaking out since BEFORE 9/11.

    @ Kudret,

    Thanks! I’m glad that you could relate to it, and thank you for sharing it with your relatives! I hope they enjoy it too :)

  93. nadeem akhtar wrote:

    i am an australian pakistani and love to be one who can call 2countries home, i can relate to some of the experiances which lot of other Pakistanis have had since 911, but not for one moment i have lost my confidance and faith that one day the truth will prevail and all those who are behind this conpirecy will expose one way or the other, Pakistan is a great country with great intellegent people , our faith is firm and we will be the nation one who will bring peace and happiness to the world… i urge all Pakistani to have confidance and ignore the ignirants who bump into you from time to time , be good to everyone , never argue but always offer a healthy discussion., gain knowledge it is the only weapon to fight the evil……

  94. Adnan Ullah Babar wrote:

    thanx alot for such a nice article.
    it really made me feel proud to be a Pakistani..It does not ask for much, just simply ur love 4 the nation and maybe a good ruler at the helm of the ship and the courage 2 stand up and boldly say, I LOVE PAKISTAN very soon we shall see our efforts bear fruit and the new rising sun will take Pakistan into the skies like never before..INSHALLAH ;)

  95. ateeq ahmad wrote:

    Bhai Jehanzeb Dar,

    It is a very beautifully written and crafted article. As an Indian and a Muslim too, I see the safe de-legimization of culture happening among Indian muslims too. It is sad and a bit stupid too.

    Over the least few years, I have seen the progression of Allah Hafiz stomp through our social circle too. Of course, I am very irritated by it but I guess all of us have to understand this famous couplet and its meaning for themselves…

    ae watan mere watan, rooh-e-rawani gehra
    go ke zarron main tere bu-e-chaman rang-e-bahar,
    roz-e-almaas yeh tere khash-o-khashat main hain,
    haddiyan apne buzurgon ki teri khaak main hain,
    tujhse mooh mor ke mooh apna dikhayege kahan,
    tujhse hum rooth ke jayenge to jayenge kahan

    —by josh malihabadi
    transliteration is not as good as understanding it by yourself. You will love it!