From a Mixed Race Child: Tips for a White Parent

By Special Correspondent Thea Lim

The other day in convo with a friend, I burst into tears when he mentioned a couple he knows who are in the process of adopting. As a Korean couple, they have been discussing the potential race of their baby and whether or not having a Korean child is a priority for them.

My reaction was pretty over the top. Maybe it was because I was tired and stressed. Maybe it was because it was close to 4 p.m. and I hadn’t talked to anyone except my cat that day, and I don’t deal well with isolation. But the truth is on an ordinary day, when I hear parents talk about choosing their child’s race, or the politics of having a child of a different race, I immediately clench up.

My mother is English and Irish, and my father is Singaporean Chinese. Neither of them are particularly involved in radical race politics, and I will never know what or how they thought about having mixed race children before my sister and I were born, because (at least at this point in my life) I am afraid to ask them that question.

I often imagine that their thought process was similar to that of Nicole Sprinkle. In her article for the New York Times Magazine, Sprinkle talks about being the white mother of a white/Colombian daughter*:

When I was pregnant, the thought of having an “exotic” looking child based on our combined genetics – Jose’s inky black hair, dark eyes, and round face coupled with my waspy, delicate looks and tiny build – hadn’t really occurred to me.

Sprinkle talks about how this attitude changed after the first time she and her husband experienced discrimination as a mixed race couple:

Would her choices of where to live or travel be compromised by her looks? Or would her mixed genes work in her favor? Not being quite Hispanic-looking enough to make her a victim of racism, but enough for, say, college scholarships? Maybe she’d walk through different worlds at will, be whoever she needed to be for any situation. Nice in theory, but the idea of conveniently shifting identities to protect or promote herself left me cold.

One of the first posts I wrote for Racialicious discussed mixed race parenting, and I remember being quite moved by a comment Abu Sinan made:

Thanks for the article. As a father of two bi-racial children I try to understand as much as I can about the issues they are going to face here in America.

As the daughter of parents who, for better or worse, never discussed what it meant that my sister and I were mixed race (except to regularly tell us that we were “beautiful” and “special”), I am captivated by parents who want to talk and learn about how being mixed race might be a big deal for their kids, and even further, white parents who can admit that – even though they came forth from their own bodies – their children will have experiences that they themselves can never understand.

Sprinkle goes on to describe her family’s attempt to navigate the hairy terrain of multi-racial experience, and even lovingly accepts the reasons why her husband is hesitant to speak Spanish to their daughter, based on his own experiences of discrimination. Yet despite her initial sensitivity, Sprinkle quickly lost me.


I began to panic. Yes, I wanted her to be bilingual, but I didn’t want Spanish to be the language she identified with most. Yeah, my kid was of two cultures, and, yes, she would learn Spanish and English, but to emphasize her Latina side,I felt, was somehow a disservice. Frankly, I didn’t want her to lose any of the privileges of being white.

To emphasize her Latina side was somehow a disservice. Ouch.

On the one hand, I am ready to admit I don’t have children and so I don’t understand the profundity of that desire to protect your child, even when that means doing something that (as Sprinkle herself admits) expresses slightly f-ed up racial politics.

But honestly, while I appreciate Sprinkle’s bluntness, there is a unarticulated vein that runs through her article that says that she doesn’t simply want her daughter Nina to be considered more white than Colombian just so that Nina has access to as many opportunities as possible: Sprinkle also just thinks white is better. (For instance, later in the article she associates schools with large immigrant populations with subpar education, and she again openly states that she wants her daughter to be more white than not. But I’ll get to that.)

And that’s not so surprising. She’s a white lady whose had the privileges of being white her whole life, and received the corresponding messages that clearly white people are just inherently better – or why else would they be most powerful and successful ethnic group in America?

In some ways Sprinkle’s article frustrated me so much that I felt speechless. (Any regular readers will know that I am a bonafide chattypants and it is unusual for me to be struggling for words) There are close to 300 comments on Sprinkle’s article (mostly negative) and L at #31 articulated a simple conclusion that I was unable to get my tongue around:

There is no problem in feeling conflicted about racial or ethnic identity, but people like Ms. Sprinkles who continue to promote ideas that White equals privileged and Latina/other minority equals disservice are doing nothing but perpetuating inequality and frankly, racism.

Despite all her protestations, I was clearly not the only one who picked up the sense that Sprinkle assumes Latin@ heritage is inherently inferior.

When Nina is ready for real school, the choices in our neighborhood don’t thrill me either. Because of the dominant immigrant population, many have a heavy focus on learning English. While I understand that need, I can’t pretend I don’t worry that my daughter’s education will be slowed while she waits for other kids to learn her native language…[so] We enrolled her to start in a private midtown nursery school instead — when she turns 2. It’ll cost us almost my whole paycheck, but there won’t be any rough Spanish — or any homemade rice and beans for lunch like the current day care. (I’ll miss that delicious smell.)

I do not care for that offhand remark about good-smelling rice and beans. It almost sounds as if Sprinkle is saying “Your schools aren’t good enough for my daughter, but y’all do have some good food!”

At another point Sprinkle says:

I didn’t want prejudice or any extra hardship or confusion — like my husband still feels. I just wanted the eyelashes, and cheekbones, and that lyrical Spanish when appropriate. I wanted the good stuff, and from both sides. I wanted it all.

Again, so those oh-so-dreamy eyelashes are good enough for your kid, but your husband’s culture is not. Nice. Also, if you didn’t want “confusion” you should’ve thought twice about having babies with a man of colour. I like to think people put some thought into things like that.

But to get away from the snark and back on track: in terms of education, I’ve heard this debate before. I have friends of colour who’re from middle class families, and whose parents sent them to good, predominantly white schools – where they felt alienated and lost until they transferred back to schools that were predominantly immigrant/mixed cultural. I also have friends whose parents were poor immigrants of colour who had no choice but to send them to neighbourhood schools that actually did have lower educational standards. This latter group now say they plan to do what it takes to get their own kids into the good white schools.

Yet the difference between my friends who plan to get their kids into the best dadburned white bread schools they can afford is that they come from a place of experience, where Sprinkle – especially because she offers no information on whether or not these immigrant schools actually are worse – seems more prejudiced than anything.

And Sprinkle completely disregards her daughter’s cultural needs. She states that there will be other biracial children at the private school where she’s sending her daughter, yet she does not mention whether or not her daughter will have the chance to connect with as many Colombian children as white children, or how she will be able to orient and find herself in this whiter environment. Sprinkle makes offhand mention of the fact that Nina’s Colombian grandma will teach her salsa, but generally she doesn’t seem too concerned about her daughter’s cultural education.

Motherhood is constantly realizing that so much of her life will be out of my control. So is it so terrible for me to see that one of her cultures maybe edges out the other? Just a teeny, tiny bit? If Latinos ruled the world, maybe I’d push things to go the other way, but political correctness and cultural diversity aside, I want her doing well in life — money, success, respect, opportunities, and, most of all, safety.

This last paragraph really turned my stomach. Yes, Nicole Sprinkle, there is something terrible about you wanting one culture to edge out the other. Because the culture you want to WIN!! (and isn’t there something inherently gross about wanting one culture to pwn another?) also happens to be YOUR culture, and it also happens to be the dominant culture in the US.

This rhetoric of the white parent who consistently attempts to assert their mixed child’s whiteness over their non-whiteness reminds me of white folks in a room of colour who pout when the conversation attempts to focus on the issues of people of colour. The experience of no longer being the centre of attention can be disorienting and uncomfortable for some white folks. They make a fuss in order to recentre the focus on themselves: it is too painful to not be in control of the perspective.

When I talk about myself as a woman of colour, sometimes my white mumma asks why I describe myself in that way, instead of saying I am half-white. She feels I am erasing her contribution to my life. I try to be sensitive to her feelings, though sometimes it is hard. Incidentally more often than not I refer to myself as a mixed race POC, yet the few times I want to emphasise my non-whiteness, she tends to flip. Or she asks why I am so engaged with my dad’s culture and not hers.

The answer is simple: when you live in a country where white culture is dominant, you don’t gotta struggle to learn about whiteness. You may, on the other hand, have to struggle to learn about your culture of colour. And you may have to struggle to assert your non-white side, especially if you are middle class, or especially if – as in Sprinkle’s daughter’s case – you are the child of parents who want to subvert your non-white side.

I don’t buy Sprinkle’s insistence that the bottom line is wanting to ensure her daughter’s well-being. This is what Sprinkle says, but what I hear is that she wants to stake racial ownership over her daughter, regardless of what her daughter wants or needs.

To be honest, perhaps my own issues and baggage make me the wrong Racialicious correspondent to unpack this article. When I hear parents talk as if they know what is best for their kids (who are of a different race), my knee jerk reaction is rage. It makes me seethe to hear parents take ownership over something they can’t possibly understand.

Unreliable bias or not, if I was in the business of educating white parents, I would send an email to Sprinkle saying this: You know what would really help your daughter? Not removing her from schools where she might get a subpar education because of the immigrants – children who might become important lifelong allies and friends. The problem is not immigrant dominant schools, but that schools with more immigrants (of colour) tend to get receive less resources. Don’t make the issue about individual students and individual schools when it’s actually about the system. In short, the problem is racism.

Of course it is your parental right to place your daughter in the school of your choice. But if you really are as devoted to your daughter’s well-being as I assume you are, you may just serve her needs better by advocating against systemic racism and its effects on the school system. You definitely are not serving her needs by reinforcing racist beliefs and ideas in the freakin’ NYT.


Yes, that is a gratuitous Mariah pic. It made me feel better, ok!

*I recognise that saying white/Colombian might not make much sense as some Colombians are white. Sprinkle doesn’t specify what kind of white she is or what kind of Colombian her husband is, but from her descriptions of her daughter I guess we are supposed to assume Nina is white/non-white Colombian.

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Comments

  1. Carolyn wrote:

    Sprinkle really starts leaning heavily on the idea of “parental rights” near the end of the article, just at the point where she *should* be acknowledging that her skeevy race politics are skeevy and trying to promote and protect her daughter’s biracial identity rather than turning her kid into a good-twin/bad-twin (am I the only one who feels like Nina is going to grow up feeling pretty damned identity conflicted??)

    “I’m just not ready to make that leap of faith where my daughter’s concerned. I’m not proud of this, but I’ve accepted it as my parental right.”

    Plus: “We use it to simplify the complexity of language [...] not always for the better, but because it comes so naturally.”

    And about “edging out” culture for another: “Not gonna apologize for that, though I wish it could be otherwise.”

    Using bogus “natural” explanations, invoking ill-defined “rights”, and pretending that she has no agency is a cop-out. Her daughter has rights too. And as for parental rights, what about the father’s? He is written out of this piece almost entirely. We see no evidence of any of his parenting decisions, just some of his responses to hers.

    I’m not a parent yet, so I’m not a great spokesperson for this, but I will say that I hate when parenting language becomes about ownership and control. To become adults, kids have to transition into controlling their own lives. If Nina gets no say over her cultural identity when she’s two, or six, or 12, or 16 because her mom has more power than she does and her mom thinks White is Right, then what does that mean for her when she’s 22, 35, 48, 77?

  2. Carolyn wrote:

    I also want to say that I think you did an excellent job at unpacking this article. I wish your response could be included in the NYT as a counter-point to Sprinkle. It’s insane that the blogger characterized Sprinkle’s voice as somehow representing diversity. She is clearly not the right person to be talking on this desperately important subject.

  3. CVT wrote:

    As a bi-racial (Chinese/white) guy, I pretty much agreed with most of your assessments on Mrs. Sprinkle here. However, I couldn’t help but wonder where the father was in all this. I mean – he’s got to have a lot of self-hate flowing around to: 1) Have married somebody that thinks so lowly of people of his heritage, and 2) To have allowed Mrs. “White is Best” to have her way like this (without educating away a lot of her biases).

    In all honesty, I do think the white partner needs to be willing to take on more weight when having a mixed-race kid (simply because their world is going to fall onto the kid whether or not the white person actively tries to make it happen), but the partner of color needs to be involved and helping the white partner do that (educating, challenging, explaining).

    I might have linked this up here a long time back, but I wrote up some “rules of mixed-race parenting” at the bottom of this post:

    http://choptensils.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-interracial-relationships-part-ii.html

  4. CVT wrote:

    @ Carolyn -
    Yeah – there’s no doubt in my mind that this woman’s daughter is going to have some SERIOUS resentment happening when she enters the real world and has to handle her mother-inflicted identity crisis . . .

  5. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Great analysis, Thea.

    One of the things I kept wondering as I read the NYT piece was if this piece symbolized some kind of ass-backward progress.

    Normally when we get tips on pieces about parenting a mixed race child (or transracial adoptees) the terms colorblind and global tolerance come up. It would appear that a lot of these parents do see themselves as benefiting the world (and race relations) by the simple act of having a child.

    This piece stands out for me as the author is not embracing a colorblind mentality – she openly acknowledges that whites have benefit in society. While she does things in the piece that raised flags for me as well (like that annoying tendency to treat programs to rectify historical inequities as a bonus, i.e. college scholarships) I have to wonder if this isn’t some small move forward. A white person has admitted on the NYT site that things are not equal, and she would prefer her mixed race child come out more on the white side of things.

    Then again, it’s interesting that her answer to this is “get my daughter to be as system acceptable as possible” rather than “fight racism.” Hmmm…

  6. Sean wrote:

    As a white parent of a biracial child, I know I was caught up in a kind of well-intentioned romanticism before he was born. (He is Ugandan/American or if you prefer, first generation African American)

    It wasn’t until I read the preface to *Black, White, Other* that I realized that I was having my dream of a brown and peaceful world, but he would have to live in this world.

    It breaks my heart a lot of the time. Sometimes I feel guilty, sometimes I get mad that he (as an 18 yr old black man) seems to give into the stereotypes. I know he’s so much more complex and amazing, but the world conspires to limit him to athlete, entertainer, or thug.

    The hardest thing for me was that there was NO where to talk about what was happening to us or within me. I got a brutal immersion training in racism–my own and other’s. I remember when a man wouldn’t rent to us b/c of my son’s skin color–he said, “Black boys are trouble…”

    All I wanted was to tear him limb from limb. I had no skills, no experience to draw on and I realized if I didn’t learn fast all I would have to pass on to my son was rage.

    So I cultivated a multi-racial community where he has aunties and uncles that can look at him and say, “So? You think that’s bad? Let me tell you about…” Or “Honey, that’s just how this world is. You better get used to it.” He needed their humor and wisdom, and perspective, because I sure couldn’t give it to him.

    I needed it too–for me. I just didn’t know it because I’d been isolated by my whiteness. And yet, tearing through the layers of numbness, cluelessness, and complicity is excruciating. There was criticism and hatred from all sides and I had to look very hard for support.

    I know you were discussing this more theoretically, but one thing I wish for when I read stuff like this is a place for white parents to go who really want to unlearn the racism we’ve learned and face up to the real world. There was so much I needed to learn–and so few people who were willing to get past “here’s how you take care of his hair” and on to “here’s how you take care of his soul.”

  7. Carolyn wrote:

    @ Latoya

    That’s a really interesting thought. By dropping the shields of colour-blindness, they’re potentially opening themselves up to the proton torpedos of anti-racism?

    But at the same time, Sprinkle is couching herself in the narrative of “Them’s the breaks”. It doesn’t look like she’s interested in being actively anti-racist even though she acknowledges that there’s inequality. The comment, “If Latinos ruled the world”, really stands out to that effect. She makes it sound like a fantasy.

    I suppose it comes down to the extent that other people are willing to buy the crazy she’s selling. If yes, then the so-called inevitability of racism could serve as powerful justification for open discrimination. ‘Racism: it’s what’s best for your child.’

  8. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    Ohhh, Sprinkle, your daughter is going to grow up and hate your privileged, racist white guts.

  9. ejunco wrote:

    I hope her kid doesn’t grow up with major problems, but sadly she probably will.

  10. atlasien wrote:

    I’d probably get depressed if I read that whole piece as well. I don’t intend to. It sounds horribly cynical.

    I’d like to address some of the “where’s dad” questions, though. The answer is that it almost always devolves to the mother to be in charge of racial and cultural issues. And this tends to be true no matter what the culture/ethnicity of the parents. Even in families that consciously try to be gender egalitarian, the mother tends to assume control in this area with the unspoken complicity of the father.

    I read something at Harlow’s Monkey that had a specific sociological analysis of this tendency when it comes to adoptive families… it strikes me as very obvious once you really think about it, but almost invisible otherwise.

    I think a lot of it comes down to assumptions about parental roles. Men are supposed to “be”, as in “be role models”, whereas mothers are supposed to teach and support.

    This model was so apparent in my own family, even though both my parents rejected some other traditional gender roles. My father had ZERO patience in teaching me to be Japanese in any way. He still expected me to be Japanese and act Japanese, but there was no concept of how to get from point A to point B.

    My (white) mother was in charge of that. She was the one that cooked Japanese food for me, bought Japanese children’s books and so on.

    And of course, I’m reproducing the pattern when it comes to my own family. I’d like my husband to take more initiative in the area, but realistically speaking, I might as well ask him to carry a purse and start wearing lipstick.

    Anyway, my mother had a very positive, naive view of what me being multiracial would entail. She had no idea of all the dark stuff that came with it. To this day, she’s still in mild denial, and I don’t go very deep in discussions with her, to spare her that pain. However, in her defense:

    1) She thought about these issues way more than my father, who believed that identity problems were merely frivolous complaints caused by “stupid lazy American” culture.
    2) I prefer her naive cheerleader approach to Sprinkle’s cynical embrace of hyperdescent. At least I always had at least one parent who had a positive vision of multiracial identity.

    Lastly, I just want to make a point that the tendency to assume maternal control over culture doesn’t mean you can follow an equation for biracial kids so that white mother = more white/ white father = less white. A lot depends on community and environment. White women are sometimes cut off from white communities when they marry men of color, whereas white men who marry out usually don’t face as much stigma.

  11. Alston wrote:

    @atlasien: I never really heard of this theory of women assuming control of transgenerational cultural teaching. In my limited observation, men were the ones in charge of that. And almost every time when bicultural awareness was actively promoted or taught in a biracial relationship producing biracial children, the men were black and the women were white. Otherwise, there was white assimilation and “colourblind denial”. I wonder what that means, if anything.

  12. JLC wrote:

    @CVT: “However, I couldn’t help but wonder where the father was in all this.”

    He probably tacitly agrees with the mother.

    I’m biracial. My Asian mother and white father both agree that white race and culture are superior. It makes me sick to think what that poor girl will be growing up with.

  13. Thea Lim wrote:

    @CVT

    I wondered the same thing. I really wonder what he thought about the article. It’s one thing for you to have private conversations with a white partner about the privileges you want your mixed race child – it’s a whole other to have them insinuate your culture is inferior in an internationally distributed magazine.

  14. Jess wrote:

    I’m going to play devil’s advocate here a little bit.

    My mother was a mixed-race kid. And so, by definition, are my sister and I.

    And my grandmother – a Japanese woman — did things that might be considered pretty f-ed up in terms of racial politics by people around here. And this from a woman who had fought like hell for the rights of non-white minorities– not fashionable or safe in the 1930s and even less so in the 50s.

    But there was a strong desire to protect her children. And I think unless you are a parent you can’t really understand that. I have seen friends do things I thought did not sit well with my progressive side, until I turned it around and asked myself, what would I do? I’m not a parent yet. But I started to think about these things recently and ask myself, just how far am I willing to take my progressive principles with a child?

    My uncle, who got a lot of shit for being mixed-race, the son of an open leftist, and willing to articulate what he believed, said:

    “When I was a kid, speaking Japanese wasn’t considered an advantage, or interesting, or any of that. It was just not something you did. The whole point was to be an American. I don’t think you can understand that unless you have been through it.”

    He said this when I asked why grandma hadn’t made more of an effort to speak and use Japanese around him and my mom. And I realized, after talking to my grandmother about it, that she wanted very much to protect her children.

    Teaching them Japanese was far less important to her than making sure they understood her and her husband’s beliefs about social justice and carrying on that struggle. I think they made a decision as to what battles they wanted their kids to have to fight.

    Grandma’s response (and my mother always called it “classic Asian mother”) was to tell her kids to be twice a good as any of those around them. Show them up — because that’s the only way to beat them.

    I think the cultural landscape has changed a lot, of course. Mixed-race marriages are no longer illegal, for one thing (my grandparents had to go to another state to get married — Colorado was one such place where Asians were not allowed to marry whites). And both my granparents’ families weren’t exactly nice about them getting married, which is one reason they weren’t too into getting-in-touch-with-ancestral culture. As far as they could see it, if their people didn’t want them, screw ‘em. They’d go it alone.

    And my uncle pointed out the gigantic movement in favor of bilingual kids — I mean, how many people have you met who think the ability to speak a second language is a bad thing, especially when framed as a skill?

    While Sprinkle is revealing all kinds of prejudices — some of which, you must admit, she acknowledges — I can’t chalk it all up to her being a racist bastard. (Classist certainly, She reminds me a bit of Lisa Belkin that way). I see a bit of that same protective impulse my grandma showed.

    I am not saying that what she says is correct, right, or desirable. I am saying that I can come up with a lot of reasons for what Sprinkle has here, and they are understandable, even if we don’t agree with them. (Saying you understand something doesn’t mean you excuse it — see discussion about Lovelle Mixon).

    Let’s take a step back and ask another question: if there was no access to the grandparents, if there were no pressures to speak Spanish, if Sprinkle and her family lived in Utah or Iowa with few or no PoCs in the neighborhood, and her daughter was essentially raised as a white person and didn’t look different enough for anyone to notice — would she lose anything?

    It would, from my perspective (and most people here) be too bad. But I cant see it as a major atrocity either. Any more than I can see what my grandmother did that way. I always thought it sad that she was only able to teach me a minimal amount of Japanese. But I can’t hate on her for it.

    I’d use Sprinkle’s article as a way to help see what prejudices we carry when we don’t realize it. And to also ask ourselves an important question (which I have no simple answer to). We all like to think of ourselves as politically aware and such. But our kids didn’t sign on to that. And there is a price to be paid for principles, however laudable they are. And the kids will pay it. Sometimes it’s easier not to do that, you know?

    I grew up in a politically active family. I am proud of that. But I also know that for years I was angry because I felt like I was signed on to some movement I had no stake in. And you can only get a beat-down so many times, be told you are different so many times, feel like an outsider to the whole neighborhood for so long before you start to ask yourself what the hell’s the point? It made me understand why so many kids from families like mine became Republicans.

    Obviously if the kid looks dark the choices Sprinkle talks about won’t be there, and it becomes problematic. Race is different from personal politics that way. My mom had no choices in that regard.

    But how many times did I get sick of explaining my ancestry to people? A lot. Often I wished I didn’t know about it.

    I hope Sprinkle changes her mind. I really do. But I understand the impulses here, even if I think they are messed up.

  15. kenda wrote:

    I tried reading this piece, but I had to stop when I got to this quote: “Yeah, my kid was of two cultures, and, yes, she would learn Spanish and English, but to emphasize her Latina side, I felt, was somehow a disservice.” I hope Sprinkle works out her issues before her child gets much older.

  16. Thea Lim wrote:

    @Sean

    Have you heard of Swirl? It’s an organisation for multi-racial families, started by Jen Chau who also started the Mixed Race Media Watch blog with Carmen, which eventually turned into…Racialicious! Swirl might be the kind of resource you’re talking about:
    http://www.swirlinc.org/

    There’s also the Harlow’s Monkey blog which atlasien mentions. It’s an amazing resource and even as someone who is merely mixed cultural and not adopted I often feel real empathy and validation when I read it: http://harlowmonkey.typepad.com/

  17. gatamala wrote:

    To be honest, perhaps my own issues and baggage make me the wrong Racialicious correspondent to unpack this article.

    No, your experience makes you the right correspondent to unpack this article.

    Again, so those oh-so-dreamy eyelashes are good enough for your kid, but your husband’s culture is not. Nice. Also, if you didn’t want “confusion” you should’ve thought twice about having babies with a man of colour.

    This is a valid question.

    When I read these NYT articles I can’t help but believe that – in THESE cases – transracial/international adoption and half-white bi-racial children coupled with the non-English speaking nanny/maid/au pair/caretaker is a (1) trend and (2) method of assuaging white liberal guilt. If you can’t afford the Birken bag, go for the eyelashes.

    It wouldn’t hurt to go ahead and send her that email.

  18. Jess wrote:

    @Altasen — I dint see your comment when i posted mine and it made me think of something– was your dad sort of reprising “traditional” Japanese roles for men in the family?

    I’d always read that in Japan, fathers take relatively small roles in raising kids.

    Of course that dynamic has probably changed a bit in the last 20 years or so.

  19. Rachel wrote:

    Great post. Like the author of the article, I’m the white mother of a mixed-race kid. But that article made me really angry. Instead of fretting about her inability to pass on white privilege to her child, she could spend her energy fighting racism and injustice.

    The school issue seems to bring out the worst in people. If you ever want to uncover people’s hidden racial biases, just start talking about public schools. Sigh.

  20. atlasien wrote:

    @Jess: “But there was a strong desire to protect her children. And I think unless you are a parent you can’t really understand that.”

    I’ve been in both situations, child and parent. As a child, I never doubted my mother wanted to protect me, but to put it bluntly, she failed. Her methods simply did not work as she intended, or they worked only partially (though better than what the woman in the article seems to be doing).

    Wanting something and doing it effectively are two entirely different things.

    And this isn’t about language acquisition. Historically speaking, Japanese emigrants just don’t pass down language well, no matter what country they’re in. So 1.5g+ Japanese descendants should actually have solidarity about that. I don’t speak Japanese, and I’m surprised when I meet other Japanese-Americans that do.

    It’s not about language, it’s about the relationship to whiteness. Language issues become wrapped up in it, but whiteness is at the root. If you’re Latino and don’t speak Spanish, that shouldn’t be a reflection on your insecurity, and it shouldn’t mean you’re any less of an authentic human being. If you’re a Latino and don’t speak Spanish because you want to look and sound as white as possible, and you’re embarrassed around other Latinos who speak Spanish… that’s a different matter entirely, and very damaging.

  21. Talulah wrote:

    I’m in a mixed race relationship, and have been dating my boyfriend for well over a year now. For the first year of our relationship, he…I don’t want to say “hid” certain aspects of his cultural upbringing from me, but he definitely didn’t share them with me. For example, for many, many months he didn’t let me know that he was a practicing Buddhist; and even after I knew, it was a long time before he felt comfortable asking me to take part in his faith.

    And you know, not asking me to take part wouldn’t have raised any red flags for me, because I don’t exactly invite people of other religions to church on a regular basis. But the more I talked to him about it, the more it became apparent that people had derided his family for being “different.”

    It took him over a year of dating me, of loving me, of becoming close enough that we’re talking about “our future” because whatever we do, we’re going to do it TOGETHER. It took him all that time to be able to talk about something that I had been able to talk about within the first five minutes of meeting him. Because I’m a Christian, and that’s “the norm.” Because bringing up my religion was never going to make me seem “weird” or “different” or “the other.” Because I have privilege, and he does not.

    When I realized that, I was fucking pissed. I love him; he has my whole heart, and it makes me so angry that there are people out there who have made him secretive and ashamed about something that is in no way wrong or bad. It makes me so angry that he’s had to walk through life feeling like he’s lesser, like he has to hide something, like he can’t open up even to someone he loves very much, because she’s part of this dominant culture that has judged him wanting so many times.

    Leaving aside Sprinkle’s desire to protect her child from a racist society–where’s her desire to defend her HUSBAND? I was interested in anti-racism before I started dating my boyfriend, but once I fell in love with someone for whom the stakes were so obvious and so real, creating a better world became VERY URGENT and non-academic. Even if Sprinkle manages to co-opt white privilege for her daughter, what about her daughter’s father? If she loves him so much, then why is she perfectly happy to dismiss and deride his heritage and not work to change a system that so clearly excludes him? What the fuck is THAT?

  22. Claudia wrote:

    @Jess, atlasien

    In addition to the above, I’d like to add (agree) that sometimes the POC/immigrant parent is themself trying to assimilate as best they can to get the benefits of being assimilated in the US. My Chilean father made a conscious decision to not speak Spanish when he came to the US because he wanted to improve his English. Is that a linguistically sound way to improve your L2 skills? I don’t think so but maybe it is. Either way, it made sense to him, especially in a context where speaking English with a Spanish accent signifies. I can feel upset that his decision means that I don’t speak both English and Spanish natively, but I understand that his decision occurred in a context that he didn’t create; I am better served by being angry about racism than angry at my father.
    While her throw away “if Latinos ruled the world” comment was purely that, I think it raises issues that could have been addressed – how much of getting your way as the white parent has to do with the other parent knowing damn well that they don’t rule the world, and what does it mean for your children if you do things your way/the white way without ever acknowledging the privilege that makes this the right or best decision?

  23. Jen Wojtowicz wrote:

    Wow. Nicole Sprinkles has a LOT of self examination to do. It takes courage to live this life, ESPECIALLY as a person of color in the U.S. As the mother of a baby girl who is Jamaican, West African, Polish, English and Irish I have this message for her : fear will make you twisted, fucked up, and a really huge sell-out. It causes people to hurt others. It causes people to try to control what we can not. Do not allow your fear that your daughter will face racism to rule your thinking or actions. Know that in this country, at this time, it’s going to happen. Then prepare yourself, and your daughter, to fight the good fight, by teaching her to love all of herself, to love all of other people, that she is no better and no worse than any one else and that God did not create anyone less than, and that any discrimination based on race, religion, gender, orientation, economics, age, or ability is WRONG and that any individual, culture, or institution practicing discrimination is in ERROR.

    Thea, I think your observations were right on.

  24. nezua wrote:

    Thank you for your post. And honesty. I agree with your lean on the analysis.

    This is…such a big area for me. It is, in fact, a huge part of what made it necessary/desirable to begin the blog I did almost three years ago. I can relate to so much, and don’t even think I’ll go into specifics simply because my responses are worthy of a post themselves, and of course have already been written in that form at both my blogs, and over and over as I’ve come to make sense of it all—this very discussion. Doing my best to make sense of it all. I think being these hybrids that we are, we occupy a very interesting space. The binary dialogues US culture prefers don’t apply to us. We try to shift one way or the other…but we can never rest, as we are “divided” from the start. At the same time we herald the future, where lines collapse or fade away a bit more and a new type of ordering will have to be done (because, ah, we do so love to put things in order). But we’re not there yet, so the inbetween is our story. And what do you say about being inbetween? So much.

    Thanks again.

  25. Nora wrote:

    @CVT: I completely was wondering about the father too.

    I have a general question though about the schooling debate. On the one hand, I completely understand the authors argument that Nina may feel alienated at the private school, and that alienation will affect her possibly her whole life… but isn’t this argument kinda promoting segregation? Not government imposed segregation, but social? We’re never going to make any progress in the school systems if POCs don’t go to predominantly white schools and vice versa. It only encourages children to talk to kids of their own race. Of course, on the other hand, comfort is very important. What do you all think?

  26. Jae Ran wrote:

    The reference that atlasien was making came from a book I recently read called Culture Keeping: White Mothers, International Adoption and the Negotiation of Family Difference by Heather Jacobson. Here is the link to my review
    http://harlowmonkey.typepad.com/harlows_monkey/2009/03/reversing-the-gaze.html.

    I don’t recall the specifics of the study, but Jacobson cites in her book other studies that found that the transmission of culture is typically bestowed upon mothers, and that it is the mothers who act as “gatekeepers” of sorts to culture. So in the case of transracial and international adoption, as Jacobson’s study was looking at, the question was how (not if and not if it’s possible) White mothers transmit and pass on an internationally adopted child’s “culture” when they are not part of that culture or know about that culture.

  27. Vera wrote:

    Sean, I feel you are an awesome parent

  28. Whit wrote:

    if there was no access to the grandparents, if there were no pressures to speak Spanish, if Sprinkle and her family lived in Utah or Iowa with few or no PoCs in the neighborhood, and her daughter was essentially raised as a white person and didn’t look different enough for anyone to notice — would she lose anything?

    @ Jess, I think the answer to your question is a big Yes, obviously. There are a whole host of deep acceptance & normalization issues that are cut off when a child of color is cut off from their non-white cultural background that’s hard to intellectualize because it’s so visceral, that many people shy away from it and rationalize the harm it can do. My SO/partner/wtfe and I have spent years trying to untangle our respective identities for ourselves and each other, from each other, after being raised like this. It hurts. It cuts people off from a part of themselves. And if they want to sever that tie, that should be their informed decision to make. But not one I feel that parents can make for their children before they’ve even come into the world, like Sprinkle up there.

  29. SayNay wrote:

    I wonder if these white mother of bi-racial children expose’s are becoming a bit of a trend. The Sprinkle article immediately drew me back to an article from the the London Daily Mail (not exactly the NYT, but the sentiment is the same):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-467787/I-love-mixed-race-baby–does-feel-alien.html

    @ Nora on the school issue I think we need to do better all around. Having gone to PWI the majority of my educational life it is indeed something that can deeply affect you. I don’t think segregation is the answer by any stretch of the imagination. We need to be doing more so that there’s some real equity for all kids in all schools not just the ones with more white kids or more tax dollars. There needs to be more equity not only in terms of resources but also in terms of experiences. I can’t speak for all PW schools now but they do as much to promote the ubiquity, isolation, ambivalence and privilege of whiteness as predominantly POC schools on the other end.

    I think some of the real challenge is how do we create schools and schooling that equitable, co-operative and inclusive within that will also reflect the same experiences without.

  30. Paz wrote:

    Wow. Sprinkle’s comments blew me away, and certainly not in a good way.
    @Thea – Thank you so much for this:
    “when you live in a country where white culture is dominant, you don’t gotta struggle to learn about whiteness. You may, on the other hand, have to struggle to learn about your culture of colour. And you may have to struggle to assert your non-white side, especially if you are middle class”

    I was never able to articulate this. Thank you!

    As someone of mixed heritage, I feel fortunate after reading this post that my parents never made any decisions about which side to promote.

    I have to say thought, that although I suppose it varies with community, having a child that is mixed does not automatically mean that their heritage is going to be a burden, or that they’re going to face extra challenges. I don’t doubt that many have but that’s not automatically the case.

  31. Sheila wrote:

    I came from Shakesville. Thanks for this thoughtful article and your insights. As a white mama of two (Latin@/indigenous) biracial kids, I read the Times article and was incoherent with rage. Your analysis and the comments have hit a lot of points in a way that’s helped me articulate my own thoughts a bit better. I’ll be ahring this post with my husband this pm. Thanks, again.

  32. Erin Leigh wrote:

    “To be honest, perhaps my own issues and baggage make me the wrong Racialicious correspondent to unpack this article.”

    I disagree – your experience means that you have a unique insight into the thoughts and ideas expressed in this article and about mixed-race heritage as a whole.

    Excellent, excellent piece.

  33. Jennifer Gandin Le wrote:

    Thank you, Thea, for posting your analysis of this article.

    I’m not a parent yet, but hope to be someday. It struck me early on in my mixed-race relationship that our child or children will move through the world with a different face than I have. And because of our society’s fraught relationship to race, s/he will have a different interaction with racism than I do.

    Reading this post made me realize that much of my reading/thinking about race and being an anti-racist ally stems from that early realization. (And from wanting this broad understanding for myself, of course.) I do NOT want to give the kind of legacy to my kids that Sprinkle appears to be giving to hers.

    It also seems, again, as a non-parent, that I would be a fool to assume anything about the experiences my child will have. It seems like such a basic premise to bringing a new life into the world. My life is not my child’s life, and their life is not my life. ESPECIALLY when it comes to race.

    And thank you, Sean, for sharing your experience of parenting your son. I agree with Vera — you must be a wonderful, caring parent.

  34. thesciencegirl wrote:

    I’m of mixed race, and I’m so, so glad that my white mother is nothing like the author of this NYT piece. It was my white mom who brought my sisters and I to our black church every week, where we (for just a few times each week) were not the only non-white people in the room, where we met kids who could teach us how to double-dutch, and do hair. My mom is the first person to notice racism and confront it. Heck, I’m pretty sure she’s more comfortable in black spaces than she is in white ones.

    If white parents are gonna have non-white babies, they need to go beyond acknowledging their privilege (as Ms. Sprinkle surprisingly does) to actually combatting the power structure they profit from. What would this woman do if her child couldn’t pass for white by merely stripping her of her Latin culture?

  35. Luisa wrote:

    I also read Sprinkle’s piece that was linked through another blog I read, and I found it very difficult. I am so happy my white mother never acted the way she seems to be, in terms of privileging whiteness as a path to success. My Mexican father probably has a lot in common with her Columbian husband, but fortunately my parents were divorced when I was young and he wasn’t around much. My mom couldn’t “pass on” any sort of Mexican cultural heritage to us, but she never denied race affected us or thought the solution to racial prejudice was to accept it and try to be whiter.

    The thing which struck me the most about the article though was Sprinkle’s idea that she could train her daughter to be white enough not to be affected by racism. This depends to some degree on phenotype, but it is quite unlikely she will always be able to pass just because her mom raised her to be white. And the problem for her daughter is, what is she going to do when she has to confront it but the only message she’s received from her mother on how to deal with it is that it wouldn’t really affect her if she was white enough? pobrecita.

  36. Ashley wrote:

    @atlasien: Do you have a link or book title for the whole gender/transgenerational cultural teaching thing?

    I’m essentially your stereotypical white girl, but 3rd generation Lithuanian. This means that my family was fully Lithuanian recently enough that SOMETHING should have stuck, that I should know something about about it, but it hasn’t. My grandfather (1st gen, his dad came over here in 1906, married another Lithuanian, and had him and several siblings) didn’t bother to pass on anything Lithuanian to my dad, who obviously didn’t pass anything on to me. I wonder if things would have been different had, essentially, my grandfather been a woman.

  37. Jess wrote:

    @altasien — I wasn’t thinking it was just about language — I was just using that as a proxy. But the point stands– I mean, my grandmother never made all that much effort to cook Japanese food, for instance.

    @Whit– I agree that she would lose something, but I get wary of connecting culture to “blood” is all. Let me posit another situation: you adopt a kid from X country. Are you then obligated to duplicate that country’s culture and language as though you were an immigrant parent from there? I hope not.

    I don’t buy that there’s some deep blood connection to culture precisely because it essentializes that kind of stuff.

    Now, I understand that the relationship to being white is what Thea was talking about (and Sprinkle). But I feel rather strongly that if you adopt someone especially, they are your kid, and if anything it’s your obligation to raise them in your culture — anything else is telling that kid that they are less than you and yours. “Oh, you’re adopted, you’re not really one of our family, you’re X.”

    That’s not a message I want to send to any kid.

    In Sprinkle’s case, like I said, I understand where she is coming from, even though I don’t like it. I think her reaction is the wrong one to take.

    And I would also ask where the father is in this. He might not care, y’know. And he might not see himself as particularly Latino.

  38. Miakka wrote:

    Like @Latoya, I’d at least have to give Sprinkle props for airing her (what she does not think is dirty, but is actually quite filthy) laundry. I’m sure she didn’t think she’d come off sounding cowardly and casually racist from writing the post.

    Sprinkle’s brand of racism is a sad overestimation of reality, readily acknowledging the priviledges that come with being white, while grossly dramaticizing the negative aspects of being a minority in this country. It begs the question – if you think your daughter being identified as a Latina is such a horrible plight, what attracted you to your Columbian husband in the first place? Did anyone tell you that *gasp* he’s not white?!

    I hope she learns a lot from the commenters and Columbian family members who will react to her article. Because if not, her daughter’s going to have a rough time growing up with a mother who prefer she think herself just a “teeny bit” more white than Columbia. And Sprinkle’s going to be rudely awakened when she realizes that you can’t define your child’s identity – god forbid the girl grow up and choose to self-identify as a Latina!

  39. atlasien wrote:

    @Ashley: Jae Ran posted it upthread: http://harlowmonkey.typepad.com/harlows_monkey/2009/03/reversing-the-gaze.html

  40. Fatemeh wrote:

    Great post, Thea! I definitely feel where you’re coming from about identification’s effect on parents. And excellent take-down of Nicole Sprinkle! :D

  41. Ruchama wrote:

    “I wonder if these white mother of bi-racial children expose’s are becoming a bit of a trend. The Sprinkle article immediately drew me back to an article from the the London Daily Mail (not exactly the NYT, but the sentiment is the same):”

    Wow. I’d thought the Sprinkle article was bad, then I read this in the Daily Mail one: “But when I turn to the mirror in my bedroom to admire us together, I am shocked. She seems so alien. With her long, dark eyelashes and shiny, dark brown hair, she doesn’t look anything like me.”

    Alien? Really? As opposed to, say, reminding her of her husband? I’m fairly dark, like my father. My mother and sister are both very pale. I remember my mother commenting on it as, “You look just like Daddy.” This author’s use of “alien” makes it seem like she expected her husband’s genes to have no effect on her daughter’s looks, or like she doesn’t really consider him part of the “us” that she’s comparing her daughter to.

  42. Natalie wrote:

    Oh god. Generally people who are genuinely “not proud” of something they think don’t write about it and post it for the whole internet to see, they work to change it.

    That’s just some transparent “No offense, but–” going on.

    I was struck by the fact that she doesn’t want her daughter to be more comfortable in Spanish than English. This kid is presumably going to grow up in the states, and with one native English speaking parent plus peers, plus all of tv, it’s unlikely her daughter wouldn’t get an excellent grasp on English. The benefits of being bilingual are huge, especially when it comes to the acquisition of any other languages later on. To deny her daughter the opportunity to have that edge seems like it requires some really ugly racism.

  43. Cycads wrote:

    What bothers me here is the fact that the cult of motherhood is legitimising all sorts of political incorrectness in the name of their kids’ best interests. From putting kids to a white school because it’s “better” to gender-specific toys so that they won’t grow up gender-confused or God forbid, to be homosexual.

    Hopefully, Ms. Sprinkle’s daughter will grow into an adult with completely different views from her mum – but it isn’t always so easy. Growing up in a racist environment at home myself that praises Britishness but denigrates our own culture as backward, it’s tough exorcising the racist mentoring from some of my family members. It took years of reclaiming my roots that I sometimes worry I look like I’m exoticising my own culture rather it being the most natural thing.

    Ultimately, Ms. Sprinkle’s thoughts belong to the realm of “Mothers know best” and I believe parents like her would be dead sensitive and defensive about the way they raises their kids.

  44. Celeste wrote:

    I wonder if this is as much of a dilemma for non-white mixed race children. The strong temptation of white priviledge isn’t there but there still is a racial pecking order. I’m worried that when we have kids, they’ll want to ID more as Asian if their phenotype allows them to. I dunno what to do. I’ve thought about joining Jack and Jill to counteract the whole Asian model minority stereotype, but that just seems so calculating and contrived.

  45. CVT wrote:

    @ Nora -
    About the schooling situation, I’m a middle school teacher, and I’d say that it’s not promoting segregation to say that kids of color deserve to be in a school with other kids that look like them. That’s important to their development. (I wrote on that on my own blog, but I’ve already linked once and don’t want to go too heavy on the self-promotion today)

    The problem (and where the real segregation occurs) is when people with more resources (generally white) equate “school with a large proportion of kids of color” with “bad school” and keep their kids away. Then you have private schools looking mostly-white. That’s when you get school districts gerrymandering neighborhoods to have the “better” schools pull from whiter areas.

    So – the idea is: get the middle-class or better-supported kids of color to help pull up their schools – instead of bailing out and leaving them to die. It’s a tough decision to make, but if folks didn’t automatically assume that schools with brown kids were the worst, “most dangerous” ones – it just wouldn’t be that way.

  46. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    My baby daughter is mixed race (Arab/White).

    I just cannot understand why you would want to cut away half of your child’s make up, background, heritage.

    My husband and I are very keen for our daughter to learn Arabic as well as English, for religious reasons (we’re Muslims), but also because his family don’t speak English.

    I want her to be able to access and feel as comfortable in the Arabic speaking world as in the Anglophone world.

    Ultimately it will be up to her how she identifies, where she feels comfortable, but by giving her access to both cultures, I feel she has the best chance of being happy with her choices.

  47. Grace aka blackbelt wrote:

    I haven’t read the entire Sprinkle article, but I have to say one positive thing about her: she is honest, racist warts and all. Maybe it will make her re-examine herself and grow.

  48. Abu Sinan wrote:

    Another great write up. I am glad my comment got you thinking.

    Personally, I eat up articles like this because I sit back and wonder if this is what might be going through my 2 and 3 year old boys’ mind when they are older.

    As the white guy in the relationship I fully realise the fact of white privledge. I wonder how this will affect them? I also realise that not only are they bi-racial in a society that has serious issues with this fact, but they are also Muslim in a country that has major issues with their religion.

    I really worry that they will not fit into either group. They will not be seen as Arab, nor as fitting into white America. Will they always be the half white Arab kids with a white convert father?

    Their biracial nature will be as much of an issue with some communities as will the fact of their religion and their convert father who “turned against his own country” to become a Muslim.

    They both look white and could probably pass, but any Middle Easterner who trained a careful eye on them will see through it.

    As their father, I earnestly hope to raise them with a love and appreciation of both of their cultures. I want them to speak both languages, I want them to know both of their histories.

    I hope that by the time they get old enough to know that society will have moved on past the point where they are made to choose one identity or the other, when they can be comfortable being both.

    As parents we have made the choice not to favour one culture over another. Personally, knowing this country the way I do, I want to make sure they are very strong in their knowledge of their mother’s culture, because I know what a struggle it is going to be to have a mother who is a Muslim from Saudi Arabia.

    I lay up late at night and think about these things and pray for the best for my boys, whatever that may be.

  49. deathblossom wrote:

    @CVT
    “So – the idea is: get the middle-class or better-supported kids of color to help pull up their schools – instead of bailing out and leaving them to die. It’s a tough decision to make, but if folks didn’t automatically assume that schools with brown kids were the worst, “most dangerous” ones – it just wouldn’t be that way.”

    It’s really more than a tough decision, it requires manpower. Who’s going to get the best teachers teaching the most advanced classes to give up their current schools to go teach at these? Part of the only reason my highschool, which was majority black, didn’t fail miserably is that those students in the regular classes who did poorly were balanced out by those in the advanced and AP classes, which were almost all white, who did well. Without the AP programs being ported to these schools, they’re doomed because 1) no one’s going to be able to “pull up” anyone because 2) those students of color who are doing well will justly see no reason to go to a school with a less rigorous program just so they can help their fellow man. Or, well, I know I wouldn’t have at least and I wouldn’t have appreciated been suckered or forced into it either.

    And then, who’s going to find teachers that know how to deal with students of color so that the students at these schools actually have a fair change at succeeding instead of just being a problem school with meddling stats that no one wants to teach at or go to? That the district then has to draw new lines for to make well-to-do white parents send their children there and then have said white parents complain about having to send their children to inferior schools in the name of diversity?

    And what do we end up with after it’s all done? Yes, we’ll have children of color being taught alongside other children of color….and white children taught alongside other white children, but without the benefit of being exposed to other races, thus leaving them to graduate with their white privilege and racism left completely unchecked.

    School children will be be school children. They will bunch up with those of their own race if so choose no matter how many or how few of them there are in the school and I don’t see why I have to be compulsory affinity matched throughout the entirety of my school experience, especially if people will end up doing it themselves to the point that classtime may be the only time they’re around people that *do not* look like them. Furthermore, I should be able to explore and form my own identity, not be expected to have the same one as the people who look like me or be coddled because I can’t survive in the same environment as everyone else.

  50. Luis wrote:

    “if there was no access to the grandparents, if there were no pressures to speak Spanish, if Sprinkle and her family lived in Utah or Iowa with few or no PoCs in the neighborhood, and her daughter was essentially raised as a white person and didn’t look different enough for anyone to notice — would she lose anything?”

    There are two answers to this, based on phenotype:

    1. If she looks white, really and truly, either because her husband is of total European descent or by chance, then she will be considered a white person in America. Her ethnic heritage will just be a piece of trivia to others, the way being English/Scottish/German/French/Norwegian/etc. does not require the individual to delve into those backgrounds in this country. She will probably be able to use her Latino heritage on applications whenever she thinks it might benefit her. She will become what many other Latinos, especially those who are not phenotypically white, call a “box checker.” Latino In Name Only. If she’s uncomfortable with this, if she wants to be able to claim the identity and be taken seriously by the Latino community, she will have to put in the work and you can make it easier for her by helping her get a head start. If not, she’ll have to forgo belonging to the Colombian ethnic community and just embrace being a white American. Either way, she will have a community to turn to.

    2. If she turns out phenotypically non-white looking, this will not be an option in the United States. You may think she looks white enough now, but get ready for changes. Both my parents are Latino, my father’s family is essentially white (PR/Brazilian) and my mother’s family is dark (Dominican), but I was very fair when I was born with soft hair. I remained that way until I was probably three, then I progressively became darker, my hair more textured, and my features slightly more African. I am now somewhat ambiguously brown (is he middle eastern? latino? north indian?) but nonetheless visibly non-white. The point is, don’t get too excited. Genetics is a long story and the book won’t close until your daughter heads off to college.

    If this is the case, she will never be allowed to simply be white in America. No matter how native her English is and how detached she is from her culture, she will be questioned by people who will make assumptions about what she is and what she should be. Take a look at Jessica Alba. She’s third generation Mexican-American. She grew up with parents born and raised in the United States completely immersed in American culture. She doesn’t speak Spanish, she didn’t eat Mexican food at home, and she will never escape the label of Latina. She is asked about it in every interview and has to explain herself to a white audience that won’t let her simply pass and a Latino audience that is disappointed with her attempts to distance herself from her heritage, fairly or unfairly. On the other hand, Alexis Bledel, second generation Argentine/Mexican-American and white, has never had to bring up her cultural Latinidad because it is a non-issue to white people. She speaks Spanish, she grew up in a Latino household, and she identifies, but it frankly doesn’t matter to her interviewers or the American public. She is an example of the first case, she can pick and choose her identity and when or where she wants to express it. Jessica, limited by lack of exposure to Latin culture as a child, can effectively choose neither.

    If your child turns out phenotypically “Latina,” by which I mean visibly of mixed race, she will resent the fact that you stole her ability to choose for her. Furthermore, she may be pressured to cover for her lack of knowledge by “acting” Latina in other ways–that is falling into stereotypes of behavior, sexuality, dress, education that American culture has about Latinos (and far too many Latinos act out to feel comfortable in America). The best way to deflect stereotypes is to speak Spanish and understand one’s culture. I grew up with my Dominican family, and being immersed in my background wasn’t limiting. Instead, it gave me a foundation of self-confidence to be able to go out and achieve the things I wanted to achieve without bending to the forces saying “this is how to act Latino.”

    So if you want to gamble on the off-chance that your daughter will turn out phenotypically white, then by all means continue with your plan. But if you give her the foundation now, she will have the ability to make better choices later no matter how she ends up looking. It’s not really about culture in the United States, it’s about race and phenotype. Culture is just a part of that equation.

  51. little mixed girl wrote:

    Hmm…interesting article.

    I think that with a number of people who are a part of groups that want to “pull themselves up” in America (immigrants or the poor), there’s a strong push towards what’s considered the white middle class.

    If you were born into a middle class family and lived a relatively comfortable lifestyle, it might not make sense as to why someone would “run”, but they do.

    With multiracial families, where parents are of two different races, there’s a tendency to “fight” for the kid’s heart.
    No parent wants to feel rejected by their kid, and when/if the kid identifies differently or something, the parent feels rejected.
    The lady in the article seems like she’s in a fight for her daughter’s heart.

    I was turned off by the article, but I’m not surprised at what she wrote. I’ve come across mixed people who probably had parents like her; ones that pushed one race or ethnicity on their kid…somehow hoping to prove that a mixed kid could still be fully one thing.

    I would like to comment on the language thing, because I think that a lot of people are confused about bilingualism.
    The girl in the article would be exposed to English for most of the day. Her parents probably talk to her in English, TV is in English, etc.
    If Spanish were her L2, and her parents made an effort to teach it to her, she might have begun speaking a little later than other kids, but nothing abnormal.
    The way to keep the L2 (or minority language) is not by hoping that your kid was born with Spanish-speaking genes, but to actually provide areas where the kid can speak, read and write in Spanish.
    Her learning Spanish and being exposed to Spanish speaking people would have no effect on her pronunciation.

    As infants, we’re born with the ability to recreate almost any sound. As we narrow into our L1, we gradually lose that ability.

    Back to the post, I noticed that posters here have commented on parenting.
    I’m not interested in having kids, but as a mixed person, if I were to have them, I’d want them to identify as mixed.

    The problem is I can’t wave a wand and do that. I can’t make them comfortable with who they are.
    Heck, even if I have the toys, the books, the mixed friends to play with and the racially mixed school; there’s still a chance that they’ll decide to identify monoracially.

    Not, however, that I would give parents a pass. Especially parents that were born and raised in the US and know about our racial complexities (to some degree at least).
    Before giving birth to any kid, people need to talk out what their plans and hopes are.

    Don’t become racially aware when a kid is involved, do it before that. Have a plan of some sort!

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  53. CVT wrote:

    @ deathblossom -
    You’re right – I did leave out the teachers, which is the most important part. You wrote: “who’s going to find teachers that know how to deal with students of color ?” The underlying assumption here that teachers are white.

    And that’s the crux of the issue. First of all – not all teachers are white, but the vast majority most definitely are. And for as long as that’s true, you’re right – nobody’s going to be pulling anybody else up because the teachers won’t be helping that happen. However – if you can get strong teachers of color, the students’ attitudes will change. Your comment assumes that the “kids in regular classes (black kids)” are failures. And that’s the assumption that keeps things as they are. The kids only perform to the system’s expectations.

    Again – I’m a middle school math teacher. I teach at an alternative school where all the “bad kids” that got kicked out of the “bad schools” end up. We’re about 50% kids of color (a very high % in Portland). And guess what? These “bad” kids? Ones that weren’t “good enough” for the public schools? Overall – they’re out-performing their peers at the other middle schools in town. And when I say “their peers,” I don’t mean – low-performers at other schools. I mean that – our entire school has better numbers than the other public schools. Again – these were kids that never passed a single class at their old schools, the ones who the public schools were happy to lose because it artificially boosted their numbers.

    Not because of money. We have less than most of the public schools. Not because we have rich white kids (90% of our kids are below poverty line). Not because these kids have parental support. Not because “white children (are) taught alongside other white children, but without the benefit of being exposed to other races.”

    It’s simple: our class sizes are a bit smaller. And, more importantly, we actually form RELATIONSHIPS with the kids. And – even better – we have strong teachers of color on staff that can connect with the kids on that level and acknowledge race.

    My best math students? Consistently (for the last four years) African-American kids. Ones just as affected (if not more so) by the issues that keep black America reeling. Because – in my class – there are no assumptions about who is capable of doing the work. I know they are all smart enough – and once they catch onto that, they rise to the expectations.

    With the expectations and assumptions inherent in your comments – what kid could ever feel capable of succeeding when so many other justified excuses and problems are filling their lives?

    My school is the exception – for sure. And it is far from perfect, but if the education system could ever get a massive overhaul (big if, I know), these things wouldn’t have to be like this. And I’m not going to excuse the problems away.

    The weight shouldn’t fall on the kids. Or even the parents. I get that part. But SOMEBODY’S got to start doing something to change it.

    * Regarding your references to segregation in school, please see these two pieces at my spot (read the bottom one first):

    http://choptensils.blogspot.com/search/label/segregation

  54. Jess wrote:

    @Luis — that’s what I was thinking, but I brought up the point to underscore that we can’t look at culture and community as though it were genetically determined.

    After all, you don’t have a magic Dominican gene that makes you mind-meld with other Dominicans into a homogeneous community — that’s a racist assumption, right?

    Anyhow, I’ve said it before, I don’t like Sprinkle’s choices but understanding why she’s making them the way she is is sort of essential to fight this kind of stuff, no?

  55. Whit wrote:

    @Jess, it’s got nothing to do with blood, and everything to do with socialization. If mixed (or transracially adopted) children are going to claim their non-white heritage – and often they’re forced to because they don’t look white – then disconnecting them from their background and raising them to only know white culture, a culture that rejects them and treats them as less than, is doing harm to the children.

    “Oh, you’re adopted, you’re not really one of our family, you’re X.”

    It’s got nothing to do with how the family loves the children, it’s got to do with preparing them for dealing with the rest of the world and giving them a space where they are not rejected and devalued for being (at least partly) not-white.

  56. Mark Ro Beyersdorf wrote:

    thank you so much for writing this. as a mixed-race young adult myself, this captured so much of what I find myself struggling to express, especially this line:
    when you live in a country where white culture is dominant, you don’t gotta struggle to learn about whiteness. You may, on the other hand, have to struggle to learn about your culture of colour. And you may have to struggle to assert your non-white side, especially if you are middle class, or especially if – as in Sprinkle’s daughter’s case – you are the child of parents who want to subvert your non-white side.

  57. Luis Medina wrote:

    MARK! How’s post-grad? (This is Luis, Josh’s friend).

    @Jess and Whit

    Whit captured my point. It’s obvious these things aren’t in the blood. They are developed by socialization. If that socialization doesn’t happen, the culture will not be present in any way. Nonetheless, if you are not a white or black American, there will be ethnic expectations attached to your skin color. If you believe you have the power to escape that, then you must be living in Candy Land with Mr. Mint and The Gingerbread People. In the United States, all you can do is negotiate with it in your own way and live with the consequences. Beyond that is also the desire of the child to have access, or at least the choice to have access to Colombian culture.

    Until the kid is a teenager, this is the responsibility of the parent. Little Nina isn’t going to make these decisions while she’s concerned with the contents of her diaper.

  58. Joseph wrote:

    @Luis
    I know you are being sarcastic (#50) but your assumptions are very off-putting. They rest on an idea I hear repeated again and again on this site: that how you look always, always has a direct relationship with who you are. I think that is complete bullshit. It serves to underscore that there are really only two races–black and white–and the rest of us are just situating ourselves in relationship to those made-up categories. The history and consequences of the inventions “black” and “white” are well-known and I am not trying to diminish them but not all of us fit inside that tragic history. I object to that notion in most circumstances but especially in a thread devoted to mixed-race/inter-ethnic children. Identity is not up for a committee vote and how you look is not always who you are.

    The truth is, you have no idea how this child will feel when she is older and how she might identify. Personally, my thought was identical to Ugly Deaf Muslim Anarchist’s (waaay up at #8). I’d like to be fly on the wall at Thanksgiving when this girl is…oh, say 20 and she realizes what the dynamic is in her family and how it has shaped her idea of herself. Watch out mom.

    @Thea
    Wow. This is really a lovely, moving post. There’s so much here but a lot has been said already so I just wanted to focus on one thing. Sprinkle wrote,

    “I didn’t want prejudice or any extra hardship or confusion — like my husband still feels. I just wanted the eyelashes, and cheekbones, and that lyrical Spanish when appropriate. I wanted the good stuff, and from both sides. I wanted it all.”

    This sentiment, grotesque on its face, is a typical white/European sentiment that looks at the rest of the world–Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Indigenous America–as a shopping mall where cultures and even people can be chosen piecemeal. I think this notion is easily identified in conservative/colonial discourses but is also very present for white/European liberals. Sprinkle wants long eyelashes added to her own “delicate, WASP-y” features–kind of like adding a pinch of foreign spice to a traditional American dish. But too much leads to the sentiment expressed in the Daily mail article i.e. my own child is Alien/Other. The deep racism of this sentiment is ill-making.

    @Abu Sinan
    Your kids are gonna be just fine. Will they encounter Orientalism, Islamophobia and even racism within their own communities? Probably.

    But they will be fine anyway as long as you teach them to be proud of themselves. Something tells me you are way ahead of me on this…

    Anyone who wants a tonic from the unsavory themes in Sprinkle’s essay should head over to Abu Sinan’s blog and look at the beaming faces of his sons. They are beautiful.

  59. MNC wrote:

    I can’t tell you how many ways this article sticks in my craw. It doesn’t at all surprise me that it was in the NY Times.

    I’m frightened for this child and her mental well being. She’s going to grow up in this neat little white world her mother has created for her and one day someone is going to snap her back into reality. Tragically, she’ll be ill-equipped to handle it.

    I’m in a “mixed” relationship and my hubby-to-be and I discuss what it will be like for our prospective offspring all the time. We both agree that we want our kids to have all the mental and spiritual tools possible to take on this imperfect world of ours.

    @Sean
    there are tons of resources out there for “white” parents of mixed kids. Swirl is great and I also love the Mixed Chicks Chat (http://www.mixedchickschat.com/) podcast. They actually have a show about white daddies of mixed kids. Do check them out. From your post, I get the sense that you’re a fantastic father. :)

  60. Eva wrote:

    This was an interesting piece.

    When I was in college I had a friend whose mother was Japanese and her father was white. They had met after WWII and married in the 1950’s. My friend, I’ll call her D, grew up in a small town, she was the only Asian child in school and was teased because of it. Her father could not understand because since he was white, he hoped that his whiteness would rub off on her. It didn’t happen.

    When D went to college, she became a victim of serious discrimination; she was bullied and teased until I took her aside and told her. “You’re not white. If I can see it, so can the white kids.”

    Eventually she and I became roommates, and her father didn’t like it, because I was black; until she went up to him and said. “Look dad, you may be white, but I’m not.”

  61. Luis Medina wrote:

    @Joseph

    “They rest on an idea I hear repeated again and again on this site: that how you look always, always has a direct relationship with who you are”

    Carefully reread my comment, Joseph.

    I never said how you look has to do with who you are. It has to do with how you are perceived and what you are expected to be. I also never used the term black in my post, ever. I really question whether or not you read the whole thing and thought about it before mischaracterizing my opinion and ginning up a comment that pretty much had nothing to do with my point.

    Look at the dichotomy I established, Alexis Bledel (Rorie Gilmore) vs. Jessica Alba. Alexis is a second generation Latina who speaks Spanish and embraces her ETHNIC culture (we must separate Latino as ethnicity from its pseudo-racial connotations of “mixed race individual”). She is, however, phenotypically white and as a result she is never asked about this background, and it’s only brought up as an oddity (wow, she’s actually Latina?!). Jessica Alba, however, cannot go through a single interview without being asked about being Latina, despite the fact that she’s third generation and has no relationship to her ethnic background. What is the difference? RACE. If you flipped their phenotype, things would go just as well for Alexis and be less stressful for Jessica.

    Does this mean that a visibly non-white Latino should be forced to identify with their ethnic culture? No, not at all. It is a person’s right to be who they want to be. Nonetheless there will be these social realities around them. Race is not a one way street, it’s a dialogue between the individual and the society they live in at all times. That is a fact.*

    My point is that Sprinkle should feel compelled to give her child options. If she gives her full access early on before she has a choice, she will have a full range of options as a teenager and as an adult. Maybe she won’t really be into speaking Spanish, dancing salsa, and generally identifying with the Colombian community. That is totally her choice. But if she decides she DOES want that, and her mother has kept her from that for so many years, suddenly she’s facing an uphill battle. I know too many people who in adolescence and young adulthood seriously resented their parents for purposefully withholding elements of their Latino cultural background. My point is not “you must act this way or that way,” my point is why would you take options away from your child before they are conscious enough to make their own choices, especially when there is a good chance they’re going to face pressures later regardless of your best intentions?

    Would it be ideal if everyone’s choices were free of consequences? Yes, sure, but they aren’t and so if Sprinkle really wants to “protect” her child from the “real world,” she would do well to expand and not limit Nina’s options and let her make her own informed choices on these matters as she grows older.
    ———————————————–

    *You think this isn’t true? Ask a crowd of second, third, or even fourth generation Asian-Americans if they’ve been asked when they came to this country or complimented on how well they speak English. Ask a biracial black/white person what people would say or have said if they were to say, “I’m white,” without qualifying the statement. There was absolutely no sarcasm in my original post. I based my opinion on my life and the lives of dozens American Latinos (white, black, indigenous, and everything in between) I grew up with and went to school with. Just yesterday my Nuyorican friend confided in me that he wished he had grown up speaking more Spanish instead of just listening and understanding it. His parents didn’t challenge him early on, so it fell by the wayside.

    I’m also basing my opinions on many academic studies of identification and self-identification between Non-Hispanic Whites, White Hispanics, and Hispanics of “Some Other Race.” For good examples look at The New Second Generation, by Alejandro Portes and Min Zhao, and Shades of Belonging, a Pew Hispanic Center Study by Sonya Tafoya.

  62. Joseph wrote:

    @Luis
    I read and understood your comment the first time. When you use phrases like “phenotypically white” you don’t have to write the word “black” …everybody knows what you mean.

    Again, you are championing a simplistic view of a complex construction, under the guise of describing the “real world.” I would have a problem with that under any circumstance but in the context of a post sub-titled “tips for a white parent” it is more than bothersome, it is dangerous. You wrote,

    “Race is not a one way street, it’s a dialogue between the individual and the society they live in at all times. That is a fact.*

    No. No it isn’t. “Race” is an imaginary category of human classification that was invented by white Europeans to ensure the continuity of their privilege. THAT is a fact. And when you tell a child that the final word on her identity is up to other people to decide you are essentially telling her “You do not own yourself.” And that is not a message I would ever give a child.

    Of course I am not talking here about the reactions of other people, which is something that no one can control. But rather about the relationship the child will have with herself. Just as her mother’s racial fears and prejudices are potentially damaging to the development of a healthy self-image so are sentiments like yours which reduce ethnic identity to a series of boxes to be checked rather than a source of love, pleasure and strength.

    I believe your comments are well-intentioned (for whatever its worth I believe her mother’s comments are well-intentioned too) but I think reducing an ethnic identity to a series of obligations and potential consequences is the opposite of what an inter-ethnic child should hear.

  63. octogalore wrote:

    Great post, Thea. I agree too that Sprinkle is privileging her daughter’s white heritage beyond just a practical analysis of what’s societally easier.

    I agree with some above that Sprinkle’s husband seems involved in some of her decisions, eg transferring the daughter to a private school. The article states:

    “One evening, just as I was loosening up about the whole thing, my husband casually commented on the way our day care ladies spoke. When I pushed, he tried to delicately explain it wasn’t quite as “nice” as the last nanny’s.”

    While we don’t know the background, it seems that the husband may have had some impact on some of the decisionmaking, particularly around issues of class.

    You also mention that your parents aren’t “particularly involved in radical race politics” and “I often imagine that their thought process was similar to that of Nicole Sprinkle.”

    While it’s none of my business, I’m not sure that the former necessarily leads to the latter. While it is great for a parent of a non-white child to be politically active in radical anti racist groups, that is not a requirement for being anti-racist or for being able to approach child-raising in such a way–something that Sprinkle doesn’t seem to be doing. (I acknowledge I may be a bit biased in that my parents have non-white children and have not been active in radical anti racist groups, but have been anti-racists and active in the community in various more sporadic ways over time.)

    Anyway, there are probably many good reasons not to ask that aren’t noted here, but just hoping that “I will never know” may be premature.

  64. Thea Lim wrote:

    @octagalore

    Thanks for giving me the opportunity to mention something I didn’t get to in my post.

    Yes…I agree that it is none of your business and yes while the former doesn’t necessarily lead to the latter, as I can speak with authority on my family, in their case it is!

    HOWEVER, since I chose to put myself out there and write about my family, I am happy to clarify some things :)

    My parents are definitely not anti-racists. And by that I don’t just mean that they are not “radicals” – they are NOT anti-racists who are active in the community etc…

    I think for the most part, apart from my father’s experiences with discrimination, they are the kind of folk who don’t see colour or don’t want to see it. In part having mixed race children feeds into their desire to live in a post-racial society where race doesn’t matter.

    So when I try to talk about my thoughts on race, my pride as a woman of colour or any such narrative that suggests that we live in a deeply race-based society where race can be a barrier, they clam up and tell me I shouldn’t have such a chip on my shoulder, shouldn’t go looking for problems where there aren’t any…actually they espouse similar ideas to some of the comments we get on this site, comments that immediately go into the rubbish bin.

    But one thing that I did want to say in my post and never got to articulate, is that my parents love me to the ends of the earth. And they never ever made me feel like I should be ashamed of any of my self, neither white nor Chinese nor mixed. If anything they teetered dangerously close to the “being mixed is better than being unmixed” school, which I also have issues with – though that’s a different post.

    So while I wish that there was more room in my family to talk about race or even acknowledge it, my family is not anything like Sprinkle’s, and I am deeply grateful for that!

  65. Noir wrote:

    Luis Medina, shut up.

    Seriously, I’m latina, that’s not progress. That’s the inverse of progress. She isn’t color-blind, she is openly and blatantly racist. (I don’t care about the “but if you can be privileged…” rhetoric trying to justify stuff racist white people do).

    She sees her husband culture she want the “good fetishized stuff when appropriate” but she is thinks is inferior and gets away with it saying, “white mommy knows best!” She doesn’t, whatever she does, her kid will live, some way of another with racism. And it will be worse when the racism comes from her own mother. If she knew and cared about that she will teach her kid how to deal with it and be comfortable in her own skin, with her own heritage, not trying to suppress it by adjusting to a white supremacist culture that she is definitely part of.

    Or, see it like this. She is a white mother. Who thinks her husband culture is not important and the kid should be white “to survive” she says. Leave the kid alone for a moment and see how this comes in terms of Not Perpetuating Racism that affects me and a lot of other people (she isn’t even a person dealing with racism, I can forget POC wanting to pass so badly, I can’t forget this).

    Oh, and Luis, I love your “because if you can pass as white… you know, those poor blacks can’t, ugh, but…” attitude.

    Mod Note – Noir, please don’t tell people to shut up on this board. You are making your points, Luis is making his. If you disagree, call him out, but please engage respectfully. – LDP

  66. Noir wrote:

    So sorry for the spam, but…

    I don’t want to sound idealistic and impractical, but if the only worry in your life is a sociophatic “I have to be the most succesful person ever” without caring who you take down while trying to do it (and you know, you are a middle class, white first-world person), then you shouldn’t even be here, trying to discuss racism.

  67. Noir wrote:

    Yeah, you are right. Sorry about doing that in your space.

  68. Noir wrote:

    And God, I’m the spamminator today, but I have to apologize.

    I’m sorry, Luis Medina, for telling you to shut up.

    You were talking about your own experiences and way of survival in United States and I respect that. I don’t endorse what I felt was racist/insulting in what you wrote, but it was definitely not my place to tell you to be quiet about all this.

  69. octogalore wrote:

    Thea — that makes sense. Thanks for your openness; while I didn’t want to pry, my heart went out to you on the issue of communication or lack thereof with parents — something that, having just returned from a family “vacation” I had the pleasure of experiencing a bit.

    Definitely attempting to assert a colorblind theory and not being open to the countering experiences of a POC, especially a family member, isn’t anti-racist and also would set up a bar to opening up that kind of dialogue.

    Conversely, while Sprinkle probably would feel she is open to that kind of discussion, she seems to have more deep-seated prejudice than do your parents. It seems unlikely such a conversation with her would go well.

    The “being mixed is better than being unmixed” school sounds like the makings of an interesting post!

  70. Louise wrote:

    Bet she rebuffs all allegations of racism with ” my husband is columbian” or ” my maid is latina”

  71. Luis Medina wrote:

    @ Noir and Joseph

    “Oh, and Luis, I love your ‘because if you can pass as white… you know, those poor blacks can’t, ugh, but…’ attitude.”

    What? When was that ever articulated in my posts? “Those poor blacks?” First, in my own life I don’t identify, or am identified, as white, but as multiracial and of African descent. Second, just because I point out what somebody CAN do has nothing to do with what they WILL do or SHOULD do. I’m not a fortune teller, so I don’t know what she will do. I also don’t think there is a right or wrong way to approach identity, so I won’t say what she should do. What I’m talking about is two specific case studies, which are supported by the lives of a lot of people I know. Being phenotypically white doesn’t mean you SHOULD pass or WILL pass, it means you CAN pass.

    Phenotype influences both self-identification and the way people interpret that. Also, “phenotypically white” doesn’t automatically call into being the word “black,” Joseph. Hispanic mestizos, Asian-Americans, Native Americans, there are plenty of people who are not “phenotypically white” who have nothing to do with being “black.” Eva made a good point when she brought up her Japanese-American friend with a white father. No matter her father’s intentions, she could not be “white.” Her phenotype influence the way she was seen, and then influenced her self-identification.

    I’m being flagrantly misinterpreted in what seems like an attempt to rail against this other point that I’m not making. In fact, Noir, the meat of your first post is exactly what I’m talking about. We don’t know what choices Sprinkle is going to make in the future regarding her daughter, but the environment she seems to be establishing, with a passive denigration of her Colombian side, will only take options away from her.

    OPTIONS. Not predetermined ways someone should or shouldn’t act. My mother gave me two things, language and a connection to familial history, but what I did with that in my life was my own choice. There is plenty of pressure to act out “Latin-ness,” according to the ideas of others, in other ways that I ignore because I’m secure in my identity. I didn’t have to keep up with Spanish as a teenager, but I had an option. I didn’t have to be interested in the DR and the culture, but I had the choice. Nina may decide she’s not interested in those things and leave them by the wayside. She has the right to live the way she wants to live. But to steal that choice from her before she’s old enough to choose is what is not right.

    I cannot emphasize enough how many Latinos I know who resented that their parents, who were sometimes both Latino, did not transmit language or culture to them and forced them to do the hard work of discovering it for themselves. It’s not a violent or angry resentment, they just wish they had been given what they know their parents already had but kept from them because they believed it was in their best interest, which is similar to the decision Sprinkle seems to be making about her own daughter.

    What is revolutionary, or even controversial, about that understanding?

    P.S. Joseph, race is indeed a social construct. So is class. So is gender. That doesn’t mean they aren’t real forces in our lives that influence our lives externally or internally. To believe that these things are totally self-determined is naïve. If that were the case, none of those categories would ever exist. No matter what choices we make, we are negotiating with nations, communities, and other individuals.

    That’s all I have to say on this subject. Shutting up now!

  72. Carolina wrote:

    Luis, fellow DR-American here. I completely agree with you on your points about how we are perceived (from a race standpoint) influences our self identification and further, what “box” we are automatically put into and expectations of our behavior. After all, if merely “carrying ourselves” as white worked, why would this blog exist in the first place?

  73. Carolina wrote:

    @Joseph.
    I think this blog, of all places, shows that even if race is merely a “social construct”, we all collectively agree that it has a divisive capacity and that this is in large part due to our phenotypes, not the “pleasure” of our respective cultures. We all see how our race/ethnicity limits us. Therefore, her identity to a certain point may be decided by her, but sadly a large fraction of her identity will be decided by what society collectively agrees she looks like, where she likes it or not. This is inescapable.
    Of course, I am not arguing your point that what Sprinkles is doing to her daughter will be very damaging.

  74. Carolina wrote:

    *whether she likes it or not. Little typo there.

  75. Joseph wrote:

    Luis & Carolina
    You are both talking past me. I am not proposing a utopian…or ha, ha “naive”… view at all. As I said, you can never control what other people see when they see you… I am not discounting that. But you can control how you see yourself. And that is where strength, pleasure and love come in. A child–especially a child whose ethnic identity is not affirmed by the larger culture must be taught to love these parts of herself: that is my point. This kid is not going to get that from her mother. And based on what you have written, she isn’t going to get it from you either.

  76. Claudia Leung wrote:

    @ nyt:

    Boooo for giving this woman a platform from which to spew her ignorance and arrogance. Next time, find a POC and get their thoughts on how to raise a mixed child who is cognizant of their ethnic background. Or get some parents who have actually RAISED children and aren’t just speculating/ discharging their racial fears and anxieties into the world in the form of an apparently ‘reflective’ piece.

    @ Sprinkle:

    I don’t think you should be bringing ANY children into the world, let alone mixed race children, until you take the time to sit down and examine your race stuff. And refrain from the urge to share the ignorance and the pain of working through your white privilege issues with the whole world via major international newspapers. Or even your blog. Lord knows we have enough bullshit in our media everyday.

    @ Talulah:
    Even if Sprinkle manages to co-opt white privilege for her daughter, what about her daughter’s father? If she loves him so much, then why is she perfectly happy to dismiss and deride his heritage and not work to change a system that so clearly excludes him? What the fuck is THAT?
    WORD. I am the daughter of a white woman and a Chinese man, and though she’s not on Sprinkle’s level, she definitely didn’t model ideal behavior when it came to how she treated my dad and wasn’t always the most patient or cognizant of the struggles he went through with cultural, linguistic, and legal barriers being an immigrant to the US. Though my mother never tried to actually inhibit the passing down of Chinese culture to me and my sister, she didn’t do much to facilitate it either. Which brings me to…
    @ atlasien:
    As a child, I never doubted my mother wanted to protect me, but to put it bluntly, she failed.
    I am of the school of parenting (or at least hope to be, when I am a parent someday in the far-off future) that believes in letting kids make their own mistakes, not being too protective or worrisome about them. In general, I think trying to protect your kid from something, especially something you know nothing about, is a bad idea. While it doesn’t make sense to send them headlong into a world fraught with conflict, I think that it bodes well for parents to learn as much about the situation as they can. Kids can and will rebel if they feel they are being forced to experience only one side of the situation.
    @ atlasien and Jae Ran:
    Is the book referring to a hetero (oh God, that word) gender norm that is prevalent amongst white parents who adopt children of color? Or does the expectation that women will be the ‘trainers’ of culture transcend racial and even cultural boundaries itself? As the daughter of a white American woman and a Hong Kong Chinese man, the norms certainly rang true – my mom was responsible (took on the responsibility?) for teaching us language and in general raising us, while my dad was more of a ‘provider’… not that he wasn’t involved in his own way. Then again, my mom raised two girls to be women, not two men, and I often wonder how our relationships with our parents, and our racial identities, would have been different had we been boys, or had found ourselves in less static roles on the gender continuum.
    @ Miakka and Latoya
    I don’t think that any white person gets a cookie for a.) realizing that white privilege is real and then b.) acquiescing to it. Ever heard anyone use the metaphor “Racism is the air we breathe”? I am not interested in handing out props to anyone for being stupid enough to hang out their dirty laundry when all it does is pollute the air quality more.
    @ Luis…
    I think I understand the point you are trying to make re: phenotype (which is kind of misleading word since phenotypes are the physical outcomes of specific gene combinations and are NOT the same as ‘racial types’… which I would think of as the culturally-defined collection of physical traits that we assign to a race). I agree that for anyone living in a racial society (e.g. every person in the U.S., at least) the way they live their day-to-day lives always involves a negotiation between external assumptions based on their physical appearance, etc., and their personal experiences and self-perceptions. I think what people are disagreeing with is the concept the cut-and-dry distinction you make between the mixed people who ‘look white’ and those who ‘look mixed’ or distinctly of-color. Physical appearance and racial reading is contextual, as any mixed person can tell you. I’ve had people tell me they knew the second I walked in that I was mixed, or that I was Asian, or that I was ‘Something’ (My personal favorite), and others be genuinely surprised to find out, after taking classes with me for three years, that I have Chinese ancestry.
    Most of us are neither Jessica Alba or Alexis Bledel – while they make for convenient case studies because they are readily available and commonly recognized examples, they are both celebrities and thus can only be taken in that context. Alexis Bledel is often cast as lily-white (see: Gilmore Girls) and primarily reads as white to an audience that does not see her playing a Latina ‘type’. But sometimes she is ‘ethnic’ like we saw in The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Jessica Alba’s first major role was as the genetically engineered hyperwoman in Dark Angel, thus was typecast as mixed/racially ambiguous. However, I have seen her play roles where her racial difference isn’t overtly referred to in the script or her styling, so she could potentially pass. In any case, we know very little about how each of them lives their ‘day-to-day’ lives other than what interviews in teen magazines tell us. And we all know that those interviews are entirely objective and have no connection to the stars’ agencies that need to have them cast, successfully, in roles they have proven they can play.

  77. Luis Medina wrote:

    “But you can control how you see yourself. And that is where strength, pleasure and love come in. A child–especially a child whose ethnic identity is not affirmed by the larger culture must be taught to love these parts of herself: that is my point.”

    Looks like I’m not shutting up. Few more points:

    You are absolutely, 100%, correct with this point. It is one I tried to make in my first post, but I feel like it was lost because people got hung up on my use of the word phenotype.* She needs affirmation from her mother, no matter what she looks like, of her identity in order to feel proud of her background.

    My point was to outline the different responses the world may have to her, based on what she looks like, and how not having that affirmation might affect her. The response is segmented, I will not budge on that point. A Latino who is perceived as white does not receive the same responses from the world around them as one who is perceived, in some way, as non-white. Read Piri Thomas’s “Down These Mean Streets” for a (very graphic) account of the way different phenotype can lead even siblings down very different paths of identity. I’ve seen it among siblings in my own extended family. Quite frankly Joseph, you’re out of your depth giving me a lecture on this point.

    If Nina ends up looking the way her mother seems to be hoping and praying she looks (that’s racist!) then having a positive affirmation of her Latina identity will be undoubtedly a benefit. If she doesn’t “look white” to others, and she starts getting the “what are you?” questions, then she’s going to wish her mother had been there for her. There’s nothing sadder than a self-loathing Latin@, or any other background for that matter.

    *Claudia, I’m aware phenotype specifically means the expression of genes, which is why I use it. I know of people who are “phenotypically white,” whose traits seem to be, on first glance, predominantly European. This often leads to them being read, by others, as “white.” They, as mixed-race individuals, do not identify racially as white. Thus the gap between phenotype and race we all know well.

    Your own story points out something very true. Like all dichotomies, the one I established has a substantial grey area that complicates it. The ambiguity you mention is very real, but I would argue that ambiguity isn’t never allowed to simply be. Would I be correct in saying that those who were surprised you had Chinese ancestry had been reading you as white, and that those who weren’t sure from the get-go began a line of questioning to understand your background? Which is to say, ambiguity more often than not leads to questions whose intent is to eventually find a home for your features. I often go through that myself. In fact, I’ve noticed that the word Latino, which should only refer ethnicity, has become over time a codeword to smooth over the ambiguity of mixed-race individuals in public discourse. I recently heard someone on television say that someone “looks Latino,” and I almost fell out of my chair.

    If my points have come across as harsh or totalizing, I apologize, but fundamentally my intent was to situate Sprinkle’s desires for her daughter within the experiences of Latinos that I know personally or have read about. She may fall totally outside these experiences, there are always outliers, but I can only speak to what I know and what is known by those who expose their lives in writing.

  78. Dino wrote:

    I am a person of colour, but my experience comes from being a gay man, born to straight parents. There are parallels here that I’m seeing. For both my parents, there’s that nagging back-of-the-mind thought, “If I could have done something to change this, would I have?” I hear you loud and clear when you say that the mother in the article is going to some pretty far lengths to control and dictate the future child’s life. It seems a bit stifling, if you ask me.

    @Claudia: I really like what you’ve got to say here, and I found it fascinating to read your comment. Thanks!

  79. Christie wrote:

    I was disturbed by Sprinkle’s obvious wish that her daughter look white or almost-white. It seems clear that she never considered the possiblity that her daughter may be very non-white-looking, which implies that her husband is light-skinned (though he does have black hair). Would she have avoided marrying a darker-skinned man? It seems that she stepped outside her comfort zone even with the man she chose.

    It seems like common sense, but if you are going to marry outside your own race (or even someone within your race but with different coloring), you should also be happy about the idea of having children who look like your spouse’s race (or coloring)…

    Hopefully most parents of any race think their children are beautiful (no matter what race the children are), but she first brings up her concerns about race\ethnicity, and then says, “And then came her face. Total windfall! Just the right amount of him mixed with the perfect bit of me made for a stunning-looking child (a mini version of Bjork, hard to pin down racially).” It is clearly implied that she felt lucky her child did not look too non-white (ouch!). Her daughter looks a bit like Dad, but luckily not too much like Dad. Um, definitely racist… and I hope she is not planning to try this whiteness lottery again (as she might “lose” next time, and end up with a child who takes after Dad more – I would feel so sorry for that child with a mother with such an attitude!).

    Why does she take pains to tell us that her husband is funny and well-dressed (does she not consider him to be good-looking, or does she think we might wonder why she would even marry a Colombian)? Why did she think that if they had a boy he wouldn’t be able to play basketball (do girls not play basketball too)? Why are she and her mother so ill-informed about bilingualism? And she doesn’t just say she wants equal time given to her daughter’s white heritage – she specifically says she wants the whiteness to “edge out” the latin side — nice… to me she sounds pretty ignorant and also racist/classist. I sincerely hope she will take this opportunity to improve herself, as there have been a lot of heartfelt and helpful comments for her on the NYT site.

    I got a bad feeling from reading her article. It is insulting and superficial. It insinuates, for one thing, that so many other biracial children (who cannot pass as white) did not win her little racial lottery.

    In my family I try to emphasize and bolster up all sides of my children’s heritage, as this is necessary if they are to be proud of who they are. Luckily my husband is very proud of his East Indian heritage, and our children have a lot of positive awareness of being Indian. I am white & from the U.S., but living overseas, and in fact I often have to make sure that my sons don’t pick up my husband’s prejudices against white Americans. He is Indian but was born and raised in England, and will go at Americans from his “superior” British side at one moment, and then in the next moment go at whites (English or American) from the Indian side — I can’t blame him for the latter, but I still counter both areas, to make sure my kids know that not all whites are bad and not all Americans are bad or crass/uneducated/can’t spell/whatever — I want them to be proud of all parts of their heritage, as much as possible, though also telling them about the wrong things some white people have done/are doing, and some of the problems they might face when/if they eventually try living in the U.S. or Europe. For now, as they are half Asian, I am so happy they are having a chance to live in a country that is run (& run very well) by and for Asians – it will provide them with some much-needed perspective on the world outside the “white-run” countries.

  80. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @ Joseph,

    You wrote:

    “Anyone who wants a tonic from the unsavory themes in Sprinkle’s essay should head over to Abu Sinan’s blog and look at the beaming faces of his sons. They are beautiful.”

    Thank you so much! Sayf turns three the 24th!

  81. Joseph wrote:

    @Luis
    let me break this down in personal terms then: I am a second generation Arab American and I get “what are you?” ALL THE TIME. But so what? I know who I am (I am not a “what”). And, for all the mistakes they made… and there were some interesting ones… I got that sense of myself from my parents. That is what I wish for the kid in this article.

    I think you are naturalizing a whole universe of assumptions about racial types (thanks Claudia, that was awesome) because they change depending on who is looking. When African Americans look at me many of them assume I am white because I have fair skin and green eyes. But when I was working in northern Europe people looked at me and saw right away that I am Middle Eastern. In the US I get an array of different reactions to the way I look. How you “read” me depends on what you are able to “see” based on your own ethnic positioning… My point is that people in different cultures look at different things to make racial and ethnic distinctions. But the only people you posit as having the last word on ethnic identities… are white. And I just don’t agree with you about that.

    What Noir and I (although if I’m getting this wrong, please tell me) are reacting to is that you are perhaps unconsciously putting white people at the center of well, everything. And that is what Sprinkle is doing, in a different way. I completely get what you are saying about the enormous influence a racist society has on our self-image. That is apparent and hardly needs restating. But that is not what I am saying. I am saying that a kid who is inter-racial/ethnic needs to be taught that the non-white parts of herself are beautiful for no other reason than they exist. And NOT because they are “just as good.” Who the hell wants to be “just as good”? All I am saying is that if it were my kid I would never miss an opportunity to tell her that she was magnificent, because the world will be lining up to tell her otherwise.

  82. Ruchama wrote:

    let me break this down in personal terms then: I am a second generation Arab American and I get “what are you?” ALL THE TIME. But so what? I know who I am (I am not a “what”). And, for all the mistakes they made… and there were some interesting ones… I got that sense of myself from my parents. That is what I wish for the kid in this article.

    Yes, this, exactly. (Well, I’m not Arab, but I do get the “What are you, anyway?” all the time.) A kid who grows up not only with the sort of looks that will lead to that question, but also with a mother basically telling her to deny the part of her heritage that leads to those looks, will very likely grow up trying to reject part of herself.

    (Two stories, not sure exactly what they mean, but they seem relevant here: I remember once when I was a little kid and we were at the beach, my mother was talking to some woman she’d just met. I ran up to my mom to ask her something. I remember thinking that I didn’t like the way the woman she was talking to looked at me. Years later, my mom told me that she also remembered that encounter — after I’d left, the woman asked her, “Is your husband … Spanish?” Like, trying to come up with an “OK” explanation for me. Mom replied, “He’s German,” which is technically true, but so not the whole story. When she first told me that, I thought it was kind of silly, but lately, I’ve found myself answering “German” to questions about my ethnicity when I really just don’t want to get into that discussion.

    Other story, a guy in my high school class who had a white mother and black father. One day, he came into English class wearing a baseball cap topped with a winter hat topped with the hood of his sweatshirt. The teacher informed him, essentially, that he looked ridiculous — one hat per head, please. He responded, “Just keepin’ it real with my peeps, yo.” His white cousin, who was also in the class, immediately replied, “Hey, that’s just half your peeps, yo.” He turned and glared at her, she glared back at him, and he removed everything except the winter hat.)

  83. Luis wrote:

    @Joseph

    I think we have fewer disagreements than we initially thought.

    I don’t think white people are at the center of this process. “What are you?” comes from all corners, and Latinos are just as likely as white people to be surprised or not be curious about the background of a person like Alexis Bledel.

    “I am a second generation Arab American and I get “what are you?” ALL THE TIME. But so what? I know who I am (I am not a “what”). And, for all the mistakes they made… and there were some interesting ones… I got that sense of myself from my parents. That is what I wish for the kid in this article.”

    This is exactly what I’m advocating. An identity that is supported by parents has the potential to be a strong one, a comfortable one that doesn’t bend to notions of what that person “should be.” Having a parent that denigrates part of a kid’s heritage can weaken that.

    What I was arguing against is Sprinkle’s assumption that her daughter was going to “look white,” and therefore didn’t need to be exposed or supported in her Colombian identity.

    Her “dream” is possible, I do know of people who “look white,” by American standards, and have no connection to their Latino background beyond their particular last name and a subset of those who even joke disparagingly about it if asked. They’re comfortable with being white Americans, distanced from their ethnic background as many others are, and that is fine. But part of what makes this possible is ingroup acceptance which is hard to come by if the “what are you?” questions start flying, from either non-Hispanic whites or Latinos. Is it right or wrong for them to do this? I don’t think that’s up for anyone to decide, though it often elicits resentful responses from Latinos. But just as I believe someone should have the right to construct their own Latino identity, I think they have the right to not embrace it at all.

    It’s just better for Sprinkle for her and her husband to give their children everything they have, including a positive sense of her identity, and then let her make these decisions for herself. That’s what I’m uncomfortable with, purposely pushing her away from her Colombian side before she has the wherewithal to make decisions. Will young Nina still be able to learn Spanish, embrace her Colombian side, and connect with the Latino community? Yes, of course, but why make it harder for her to do so?

  84. Claudia Leung wrote:

    @Luis

    “I’m aware phenotype specifically means the expression of genes, which is why I use it. I know of people who are “phenotypically white,” whose traits seem to be, on first glance, predominantly European.”

    Ok, I’m sorry to beleaguer this point, but I work in a Science Museum. You cannot be ‘phenotypically white’. Why? Because genes have no race. The phenotype is literally the physical expression of genetic code for any particular trait (e.g. eye color). Racial types are socially defined. There is a social understanding that blond hair + blue eyes + certain bone structure + fair skin = white person (and white carries with it more than just the sum of the physical characteristics, but a whole host of social and political and cultural baggage that I’m sure you are familiar with). I understand what you mean, but the use of the term is incorrect.

  85. Baiskeli wrote:

    For what its worth, here is what I posted on that blog.

    Man, I’m so mad words were failing me

    —————-
    You shouldn’t have married outside your race because you are a racist! Pure and simple!

    Now that that is out of the way, here goes.

    I’m black, I have a white wife, and if I felt that my wife loved me ‘despite’ the fact that I’m black I would have high-tailed it a long time ago. And its obvious that you don’t really value your husband (or child)as people, you value them as collections of attributes that you can use to show just how ‘liberal’ or ‘enlightened’ you are. You still hold prejudices against minorities but give your husband and child a pass. The problem with such contingent passes are that when push comes to shove your racism will always bubble to the surface. And they do bubble up in this article you’ve written.

    For example


    Frankly, I didn’t want her to lose any of the privileges of being white. I didn’t want prejudice or any extra hardship or confusion — like my husband still feels. I just wanted the eyelashes, and cheekbones, and that lyrical Spanish when appropriate. I wanted the good stuff, and from both sides. I wanted it all.

    The paragraph above is absolutely shockingly full of white privilege. You want to pick and choose physical attributes and have ‘lyrical’ spanish spoken (only when appropriate). And here is another thing. A white parent who truly loved their bi-racial child (as a human being, not as a fashion accessory or a political statement) would rather than trying to figure out how to use white privilege, would try and eliminate such privilege or commit themselves to educating their child that all people are created equal and that the existence of white privilege in the U.S is not the way it should be but an aberration of what we consider our true values. So for you, the status quo is just fine and in fact, you want to make sure your child takes prime advantage of the status quo. Absolutely shameful!

    I mean WOW!! There is so much I could say but I am at a loss for words. I am really sorry for your husband and your child. I feel you should have done yourself (and everyone else) a favor and married someone white (and who thinks like you, cause obviously, not all whites do).

    I applaud your honesty in writing the piece but I mean, wow!

    —————

  86. Jules wrote:

    I had to comment on this story, because I so rarely see or hear anything written about Colombians in the media, or people who, like me, are half white-American and half Colombian.

    I didn’t read the comments thread in its entirety because I was too excited, and impatient, wanting my turn to weigh in. Before I talk about my experiences with race, and my understanding of race in Colombia, I’d like to address some of the more general things that bothered me deeply about this article.

    First, the intersection of class and race seems very important to Sprikle’s trajectory as she moves from attempting to raise a bilingual child to increasingly insisting that her daughter be acculturated and identify as white. That turning point seems to be when her husband commented that the Dominican ladies at Nina’s daycare spoke poor Spanish, and that the food they made was “cheap”.

    The cheap food, and their mutual decision to move Nina to an extremely expensive pre-school full of Benneton-style well behaved multi-racial and multi-ethnic tots is based entirely on class, and the idea that these women, with their rice and beans and “rough” dominican spanish are somehow less. Less then the “gentle”, “clean” honduran woman who took care of Nina as an in-home Nanny.

    The idea that the Spanish spoken by the dominican daycare workers is “rough” is a Colombian tic. Colombians boast that they speak the “purest” Spanish in the Americas, meaning that they have the least amount of deviation (in word choice and pronunciation) from the Castilian Spanish spoken by the conquistadors. Its something that Colombians are proud of, and my Colombian grandmother likes to boast that when she moved to LA she was unable to understand a word of the Spanish spoken by Mexicans, and thought that it was a whole other language. This linguistic snobbery is indicative of a few other cultural features of colombia that help explain much of Jose’s (the husband) complicity and enabling in terms of his wife’s whitification of their daughter.

    The number 2 thing that irritated/shocked me was how little Sprinkle had prepared for having a multi-ethnic child, or about child rearing in general. Her fear, confusion and concern about language ac

  87. Jules wrote:

    I do not know how to respond to this article. I’ve been trying to think of something to say for 3 hours. Like Nina, I am the daughter of an American (white) Woman and a Colombian (mestizo) Man, raised in the US. I was extremely excited to see this article, because I have never met, or read about, someone who is half Colombian before.

    Unlike Nina, I was not raised by my Colombian father. He died shortly before I was born, of an aggressive cancer that most frequently kills tots and grannies. Note to Nina: Hispanics have a hard time finding bone-marrow donors.

    Though the racism displayed by Ms. Sprinkle dismayed me deeply, her fears about her daughter spoke to my own anxieties about creating an identity for myself as someone who is not easily identifiable as “hispanic”, but who wants to be able to talk about her heritage proudly.

    First I would like to say to Ms. Sprinkle that Hispanic is not a race, but an ethnicity. The term means “someone who, regardless of race, is of Spanish or Latin American descent”. Listing Nina as Hispanic doesn’t mean that you are/would be removing her caucasian half. It means that you are acknowledging that she is of Latin American descent, regardless of race. Hispanics in Latin America tend to be a mixture of Caucasian (Spanish), African, and American Indian.

    In Colombia, the largest group of citizens are mestizo, meaning that they are a mix and remix of Spanish and Indian ancestry. Doing variations of a google image search on mestizos will give you some idea of the variation that exists within that ethnic classification. To put it another way, the old cinema cliche of the “Latin Lover” imagines a mestizo man, whereas the images of Mexican revolutionaries in Chiapas are images of Indians. Because most Colombian Americans are mestizo, I would assume that Nina’s father probably is as well.

    Thea Lim said in a “*” at the end of the post that there are white Colombians, but that because Nina’s father is described as having dark coloring, he is probably not one of them. I mention the large mestizo population to counter that suggestion slightly. Because the image that many in the US have of people from Latin America (particularly in the part of the US I live in, this may not be as true elsewhere) is based on immigrants from Mexico, whose ancestry tends to be primarily Indian.

    South America was more heavily colonized then Central America, and South American countries tend to have larger white populations and larger Mestizo populations then Central American countries. Look at images of Chileans, Colombians, Venezuelans etc, and you will find a fair amount of whitish looking people. I bring this up because her father being mestizo will have an impact on how she looks, and also because the american notion of a homogenous latino population is something that she will have to struggle with when creating her own identity.

    For example, I take so strongly after my father in terms of appearance that people ask jokingly whether my mom was involved in the process at all. I have his curly dark hair, his eyes so dark that an iris is only visible under very bright lights, his nose, and his general coloring, though my skin is lighter then his. But when people ask me what my ethnicity is, and I reply hispanic, the usual response is confusion. Getting responses like “but you don’t look mexican”, or “but you’re such a nerd!” are frustrating. People assume that I am Jewish, Greek, or Italian. In 9th grade I dressed up for twin day with a Persian classmate. Sometimes, middle aged black men ask me if I’m Puerto Rican. I don’t mean to single them out, but they are the only group that has ever guessed a country with some connection to Spanish Colonialism.

    On the US census you are asked to list your race, and to check a box to signify whether you are also of Hispanic/Latino origin. If Sprinkle has her daughter check white, and the 2nd box about being Hispanic, then she will have her bases covered. Being of Colombian/Hispanic descent doesn’t meant that her daughter will be readily identifiable as hispanic, even if she does look “ethnic” in some way. It also doesn’t mean that she won’t have white privilege, and that she won’t feel tension between the privilege she receives and whatever discrimination she is also the recipient of. The latter doesn’t negate the former in cases like mine, or in cases like hers.

    While I think its important for her to learn about her fathers family, his country, and the culture that exists there, I dispute the idea that there is some big Colombian American identity for her to buy into, or some sort of Colombian in America community for her to participate in. I’ve been looking, and I can’t find one. In my whole life I’ve me four non-relatives who are from Colombia. There are places in NYC, Jersey and Florida with “large” Colombian populations, but they are small in comparison to the total immigrant population in the same areas. Having a non-american ethnicity doesn’t automatically confer a sense of community. If it does then somebody please tell me how to find it, because I’ve been looking for years.

    The mothers ignorance about her husband’s past, and about bilingualism or other issues regarding child development scares me a little. The idea of the daughter being in a classroom with many mixed-race and multi-ethnic children who are not also Colombian, or part, doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

    That said, I hope she learns and practices Spanish as a kid. I didn’t learn until high school, and though I can do my abuela’s accent perfectly, conjugating verbs mid sentence is way beyond me.

    And I hope Nichole Sprinkle chills the heck out.

    I’m really sorry if this wasn’t constructive. I haven’t really created an identity for myself yet, but I feel for this girl. I really do. Hope this isn’t too off the beaten track, too personal, or too politically inappropriate.

  88. Luis wrote:

    @Claudia

    This is like the debate between (scientific) theory vs. (popular use of the word) theory. Unfortunately, science doesn’t have a monopoly on language, and just because science has a need for specific technical jargon doesn’t mean language must reorganize itself to comply.

    Like the “theory” misunderstanding (which plagues evolution debates), what’s more important is that we understand when we’re using a word scientifically and when we’re not, and what the difference is. I was not using the word “phenotype,” scientifically, or at least purely scientifically. When I say “phenotypically white,” I’m referring to the fact that the person’s physical traits lead others to see them as white, in contrast to many other forms of racial coding (class, geography, ancestry). Which is to say that if a person were to meet another person in the United States, without clothes, without speaking, and without any location/context, they would assume said person was white. Obviously this isn’t cut and dry, there’s no way to pin down the exact combination of features that will pull this off. Blond hair and blue eyes won’t do it alone, and it can be done without them. It also depends on the viewer’s definitions of race, which are heterogeneous.

    So racial types, as you call them, are a handful of expressed traits, phenotypes (when we’re referring purely to the physical body of the person), that are interpreted to belong to a certain race. Race has many other dimensions, but having more dimensions doesn’t invalidate the dimension I was singling out. This usage is not uncommon. The intention is to create a contrast between appearing to be white and belonging to a white race or community. The gap between them is huge, and demands a more specific word than “racial type,” but rather one that draws attention to physical characteristics in isolation from other dimensions of race.

    You will see this usage again, I did not invent it, and I hope you can see beyond what you feel is a misuse of a word* to the contrast it intends to draw, which is not deterministic. One response to my use of “phenotypically white,” was that what constitutes physical whiteness is different based on who is doing the looking. Not only is that not contradictory with the initial statement, but that is one of the central points. It is subjective, it is uncontrollable, and it is undoubtedly a judgement that says as much about the person making it as it does about the person being judged. A person of any race or ethnicity contends with these judgements both ingroup and outgroup throughout their life, and responds in an equally heterogeneous manner. That’s what it means to be a social construct, which is not a synonym for “make-believe” or “fantasy to be ignored,” but rather a term that reveals the fluidity and contextual sensitivity of concepts like race, class, and gender, which are transformed, created, and eliminated over the course of time.

    *(though, what is the right use of a word, and who gets to decide it? you? me? the scientific community? the literary community? kids in the street?)

  89. ll wrote:

    @Luis

    You’re mischaracterizing Jessica Alba based on fabricated quotes. She doesn’t have “no connection” with her background. She never said she wanted to cut loose from her background. See here: http://www.latina.com/entertainment/jessica-alba-controversy

  90. Westerly wrote:

    @ Jess: “And I think unless you are a parent you can’t really understand that. I have seen friends do things I thought did not sit well with my progressive side, until I turned it around and asked myself, what would I do? I’m not a parent yet. But I started to think about these things recently and ask myself, just how far am I willing to take my progressive principles with a child?”

    I’m not a parent – and will never be – but what I can, in fact, ‘understand’ is that parents ‘parent’ their children into white privilege and whiteness generation after generation after generation – maybe because they do so as an unreflexive matter-of-course; OR maybe because they have deliberated on the matter and are terrified of the repercussions of having children marked outside of the protective haven of whiteness – and have consciously decided that they want their kids to pass as white and be on the ‘winning’ team (nevermind anybody else’s kids who have to suffer the fall out of their kid’s inculcated whiteness.)

    And bringing up children to occupy a higher, privileged rung on the cultural/ethnic/racial ladder (as opposed to being one of ‘those’ people down there) is somehow… ‘good’ for them? Alright…

    @Cycads:
    “What bothers me here is the fact that the cult of motherhood is legitimising all sorts of political incorrectness in the name of their kids’ best interests. From putting kids to a white school because it’s “better” to gender-specific toys so that they won’t grow up gender-confused or God forbid, to be homosexual.”

    Yes this. Though I wouldn’t call it ‘political incorrectness’ but racism, sexism, homophobia, classism – the usual suspects. But apparently if you’re a parent, you get a blank cheque to buy wholesale into all the ‘isms’ as long as YOUR kids are on the top of the shitpile. It’s suddenly okay (or at least more understandable) to prop up injustice *if* you have children.

    @ Rachel:
    “Instead of fretting about her inability to pass on white privilege to her child, she could spend her energy fighting racism and injustice.”

    Yeah…but that’s like *hard*/whine. (Nevermind that nobody ever said that parenting was supposed to be easy anyway.)

    @Rachel:
    “The school issue seems to bring out the worst in people. If you ever want to uncover people’s hidden racial biases, just start talking about public schools. Sigh.”

    Oh no Rachel, you’ve got it all wrong. As long as *your* precious babies get to benefit or aren’t harmed or trampled over in a fucked up system – then fuck protecting your kids by trying to make it better for ALL kids. Me, me, me, me – and mine!

    It’s funny how for some people, having kids actually deepens their social commitment and their sense of responsibility to their own children and their community. For others, it’s just a blank slate to revel in their fears and/or reveal their inner asshole. It just reveals where their real concerns and their true politics. But at least no-one has to put up with their over-intellectualised progressive posturing or liberal posing anymore. So I guess there’s an upside…

    And lastly @ Jess:
    “But I feel rather strongly that if you adopt someone especially, they are your kid, and if anything it’s your obligation to raise them in your culture — anything else is telling that kid that they are less than you and yours. “Oh, you’re adopted, you’re not really one of our family, you’re X.”

    That’s not a message I want to send to any kid.”

    Or how about – raising them in your culture AND providing them with as much access as possible to the culture they were originally uprooted from rather than pretending that it doesn’t exist and they are just the “same” as you are – even if the outside world may not see it that way?

    And what is so wrong with being ‘different’ within your own family anyway? And why is conformity a precondition for belonging? Difference only makes you ‘lesser’ if someone perceives it as a marker of inferiority/exclusion in the first place. It’s only a problem if at some level you really think that ‘X’ is somehow lesser and ‘Y’.

    You only pretend that other people are just like you if you think that what you are is incredibly wonderful. (And Sprinkle obviously thinks that whiteness is ‘tops’ and browness is some kind of undersirable ‘handicap’ *eyeroll*)

    I’d love to see how your approach would work in the case of a white couple adopting a black child in America, and bringing the child up as if s/he was “*just* like them and no different” in order to demonstrate that they ‘accepted’ them.

    Frankly, I’d see that as irresponsible negligence at best, and potentially lethal at worst – especially if that child was male… As Whit points out, the only way that that child would be prepared for the outside world is if they were bought up by parents who cared enough to pass down knowledge of their culture and history, an awareness of how their bodies are socially coded beyond the confines of their immediate family, and had the sense to give them practical survival strategies .

    But in order to do this, they would actually have to acknowledge that their child was in a yes DIFFERENT situation to them – which of course they couldn’t do if they were merrily pretending that the child was culturally and socially just ‘the same’ as they were. They would actually have to care about that child’s well-being in the long-term *more*, than they cared about their own comfort, derived from a conformity based illusion.

    Hmmm…And let’s say this ‘adopted’ child was gay instead of a different race… and the rest of the family was predominantly straight. Would acknowledging their sexuality be a rejection?

  91. Megan Parks wrote:

    I am seeking advice. My 6 year old daughter is mixed, African American and Franco-American, and has been raised entirely by myself and my husband, her step father. I am Franco-American with an extremely pale complexion and he is Irish. Our extended families are entirely white skinned as well. We live in a predominantly white state. Basically she has little to no interaction with anyone who is not white. There is no cultural diversity in our area. We are now pregnant and obviously our newest child will be white. She has been saying that she is hoping the new baby will be “brown like me”. In general she is a very confident little lady. She knows that she is very smart, that she is beautiful, that she is great at TBall, etc. As far as the new baby is concerned and her lack of cultural stimulation, what can I say and do to help her feel confident in herself and her skin color? I feel horrible. She is so aware lately that she is “different” and I have no idea how to keep her from feel different in a bad way. Can someone with experience with this please email me with any advice? megriffey@aol.com Thank you in advance! Megan

  92. meredith wrote:

    Wow, those quotes from Sprinkle were NUTS.

    I’m a white gal and the only men I have dated have been Latino. Both guys have had very different experiences with their respective cultures, however, and though there have been bumps along the way (as with ANY relationship), I think they’ve been mutually rewarding and eye-opening.

    With my last boyfriend, who is Mexican-American and the only one in his immediate family who was born in the US, I thought a lot about how we would raise our kids if we ever had any. He is very connected to his heritage, and I loved being able to be a part of that. Even when I was the only one not speaking Spanish at the party, or feeling awkward the first time I ate pozole, I was still welcomed and able to form friendships and long-lasting relationships. It’s screwed up that the only experiences I have had as an “outsider” have ended, at worst, in only mild embarrassment because of a faux pas, while POCs who are outnumbered literally and figuratively in white American culture get fucked over so much more. That was kinda a tangent!

    Anyway! I am appalled by Sprinkles comments, because I would never think those things about my partner’s culture. That is not to say that I haven’t been confronted with my own stereotypes while in interracial relationships, but I listened, learned and worked to fix myself and my misguided beliefs.

    This was a really great article, gave me a lot to think about.

  93. Nicole M wrote:

    I found Sprinkles openness about her desire to maintain white privilege for her child both refreshing (in that she actually acknowledged some of it, and was too naive to effectively sugarcoat the rest) and horrifying (that she started the article trying to explain how color-blind she was when she thought about her not-yet-born child’s looks was the first clue we’d be in for a rocky ride). Thea, I’m grateful that your analysis of her piece opened up such a deep and, for me as a single white non-parent woman who has been in interracial relationships in the past, illuminating conversation.

    First, as I read your article, I frankly thought you were being too harsh. After all, I feel there is such a hugely irrational component to parenting, and this woman is just trying to work with whatever tools she’s got to make her child’s life successful, and white privilege is an undeniably powerful tool for success.

    Then I read Sprinkles full article. Reading the blatant truth about the details of white privilege as she saw them was a shock. That she could be so afraid of her child having a greater affinity for Spanish over English, or her obvious relief that her child won some kind of genetic lottery by not looking too much like her father as to lose her privilege or to much of her mother so as to lose her exoticism…made me shudder. But part of me still sympathizes with the maternal desire to protect her child regardless of how wrong-headed she goes about doing so.

    Then I read the comments from other readers, which was the biggest education of all. I must admit that when alternatives to Sprinkle’s approach jumped into my head, choosing to nurture an actively anti-racist family did not immediately spring to mind. I interpreted Sprinkle’s choice to only marginally support her daughter’s heritage as her following her husband’s lead.

    Several commenters point to Sprinkle’s incredibly hurtful comment about the “disservice” of promoting her daughter’s Latina side. I know how something that pointed and poisonous can stop a reader in her tracks, but I found it odd that most did not acknowledge the full quote:

    “I didn’t want prejudice or any extra hardship or confusion — like my husband still feels.”

    Dismissing that last part – “like my husband still feels” – is, in my opinion, a omits a key facet of Sprinkle’s reasoning. It seems to me that Sprinkle is clearly taking cues from her husband about how much or little of his family’s culture she is going to support in her daughter’s life. Sprinkle is taking all the heat here – only two other commenters even mentioned his role as a father, and neither really spoke to his responsibility as the POC in the relationship for connecting his daughter with her heritage and community.

    I in no way agree with Sprinkle’s choices here, but I don’t think she’s making them in some kind of a racist mommy vacuum. It’s more complex than her just being ignorant of the value and beauty of Latino culture, or her limited “white=best” worldview. If her husband has so little pride in or enjoyment of his ethnic culture that he is not incorporating it into his daughter’s life and working to create an anti-racist family, then how could Sprinkle have the perspective that she should?

    Again I’m not condoning Sprinkle’s choices, and I agree that she is ignorant of the damage she is doing to both her daughter and husband, but I understand why she’s incapable of doing otherwise.