Look Twice

by Guest Contributor Joseph Shahadi, also published at VSthePomegranate

A few months ago, I got into a fistfight on the subway.

I was coming home from work and it was packed. There was this gawky twelve year old kid standing nearby. I’d noticed him earlier in the ride clowning around with a friend: Skinny kid, all fingers and toes, awash in the dorkiness of an actual pre-teen who does not have his own show on the Disney channel. I was tired and spacing out when the door slid open and people shifted to get off. The kid made a move for the door but I had a few stops left so I twisted out of the way to let him exit but instead of moving forward he just stood there, blinking and stammering. Just as I was asking him, “are you getting off?” someone behind me gave me a hard shove out of the way. I fell forward, the guy walked around me, and out the door…but not before I gave him a hard shove back.

Then he whirled around and sucker punched me in the face.

In retrospect, the dorky kid was probably paralyzed because he could see past me to the impatient guy who, it turns out was big. Very big. But I didn’t really have time to process any of that in the moment because when he punched me I saw red and…do you remember how Garfield the cartoon cat used to sail through the air to throw himself on to a cartoon lasagna? I did that. “Hello,” said my lizard brain, “I will be taking it from here.” Impatient guy was surprised. The people around us, who were streaming off of the subway, were surprised. Hell, I surprised myself. We stumbled out on to the subway platform as New York commuters, disinterested but ready to move away in case one of us pulled out a weapon, watched blankly.

For some reason, this is the part of the story where everyone wants to know if the guy was black.

Yeah, he was. No, I did not yell something racial at him. Or struggle with myself because I really wanted to yell something racial at him. Or think something racial and then feel guilty about it later. This is not that kind of story.

Once I got a look at him, the first thing I registered was “Fuck. He is very big.” (I am not small by any stretch, but he was bigger than me. And he was an unhappy giant compared to the poor, nervous dork back on the train.) I hadn’t been in a fistfight since I was a kid but I used to box at my old gym so I wasn’t totally at a loss. Now that I saw them coming he couldn’t land a punch but since his reach was longer than mine, I couldn’t really get close enough to do much damage either. Basically, we were two guys in winter coats and messenger bags cursing and struggling, it wasn’t exactly Ali/ Frazier. But then his right hand shot out, closed around my throat and he began to squeeze.

I stared down the length of his arm and looked him dead in the eye.

About eight years earlier, in the weeks after 9/11, I was on the subway when a trashy white guy was yukking it up with one of his buddies on his cell phone as the train went above ground. He was doing that thing where he thinks his conversation is so amusing that he was speaking very loudly so that everyone else can enjoy it too. And the thing he was talking about so loudly was killing Arabs. I was standing a foot away from him and he had no idea that he was talking about killing me. Unlike the guy from my then-office who had to quickly explain he was Cuban to group of punks looking to beat an Arab on his way home from work a few days before, I am fair skinned, green eyed: invisible. Listening to him laugh about murdering me, I wasn’t sure what was going to happen. I had no confidence that anyone would lift a finger if half the people on this train decided to beat me to death. I was sick with anger and fear, shaking from adrenaline pumping into my body. I stared at him until he noticed me. His eyebrows shot up. He looked away and looked back. His face was beery and pink. My face was blank. “You want something?” he said. I said nothing. I just waited. “You got a problem?” I shook my head. I wanted him to see me and know who I am.

I thought to myself, Look at me, you son of a bitch. Look at me and see me. I thought, My people invented higher mathematics. The concept of time. We invented the concept of Zero. The color purple. The letters in the alphabet that make up the words you are using to talk about exterminating us. My father ran away to fight the Nazis in World War ll and was sent home because he was just a skinny kid. He fought in Korea as a young man and when he died decades later, he was buried with an American flag in his casket.

And I. Am. Standing. Right. Here.

I could feel all of the things about me that made his eyes just slide over me in the first place—my skin, my eyes, my perfectly assimilated western bearing—fall away and for the first time he could see that I am an Arab.

He reddened and said under his breath, “Do you want to hurt me?” I shook my head. Watery eyed, he began to bluster at me about how his cousin is a fireman. “Are you a fireman?” I asked evenly. He looked down. “No, uh, I tried to take the test and uh…”

I started to laugh. It was cruel but I couldn’t help it.

“You don’t know what it means to be a hero!” he hissed. “Neither do you” I said, my eyes on his.

That is the look I feel myself giving the guy who has his hand on my throat. All the anger and frustration of the intervening years—Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Lebanon, Palestine, legalized torture, “random” searches, profiling, casual hatred—comes pouring out of my eyes and into his. I want him to see me too. I am standing right here! I think at him. His eyes get big and I can tell he is thinking, Oh shit, this guy is crazy. And its true, I am crazy.

The world is making me crazy.

Then something happens I wasn’t counting on. His hand goes soft around my throat but just before he lets go, his eyes cut to the side. And I know in that second he is wondering if there are any cops on the platform. Suddenly he sees himself, a very big black man strangling a—for all intents and purposes—white man in broad daylight on a busy subway platform. There isn’t really any way this can go well for him. He knows this but his anger made him forget. He jerks his hand away and begins to step back. But I am not making it easy for him. I am ready to go and I tell him so. He is more and more wary and tries to get away from me. “Yeah, when you tell this story don’t forget to add the part where you walked away, bitch!” I shouted after him as he high tailed it up the subway steps.

Yeah, I know. Stupid.

I’m not telling it because I am proud of myself.

I am telling it because between those two looks—when I looked at him as he was strangling me, and when he looked away to check if there were cops on the platform—there is a story about race in America. Racial invisibility is always relative and conditional, when you are discovered or reveal yourself, anything might happen. Looking the way that I do is sometimes like stumbling into a cave of sleeping bears, every interaction is a potential confrontation. The lack of instantly recognizable markers for racial or ethnic identity creates an atmosphere of potential threat. On the other hand, for people like my would-be strangler, whose skin color immediately marks him “other”, racial visibility makes him perpetually vulnerable to authority. I have no illusions that I chased him off by myself—it was the ghosts of white men with guns that sent him up the steps and away from me. It seems that we are all always moving in and out of visibility, depending on who is looking.

Like a Rorschach, the picture emerges between the black and white.

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Comments

  1. gatamala wrote:

    Excellent. This is what Eric Holder meant. This is a real conversation.

  2. little mixed girl wrote:

    very compelling essay!

  3. Dane wrote:

    Interesting read.

  4. ceecee wrote:

    I think it’s interesting how what you thought when you stared him down is very different from what he thought you were thinking.

    but two nicely dressed guys in a brawl? i gotta move to NY!

  5. nick wrote:

    My impression of this posting might not seem that relevant, but the first thing I thought after reading it was “interesting”.

    But I hesitated to post because it seemed a rather slight reaction.

    And now I find two out of the first four responses seem to feature the same reaction.

    Interesting.

  6. Mary wrote:

    This was very powerful to read. Thank you for writing it.

  7. Kandi wrote:

    Powerful read…the ghost of white men with guns…interesting…

  8. Tami wrote:

    This is amazing!

  9. Leigh-Anne wrote:

    Wow.

    I have goosebumps…

    And no words.

  10. Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! wrote:

    Love it. This was wonderful

  11. kanuska burgos wrote:

    Great story Joseph!!!

  12. Kavita wrote:

    wow, very honest, interesting piece.

  13. Eva wrote:

    Interesting. Since the black man you were fighting thought you could be white, I wonder if the white guy on 9/11 realized you were Arab.

  14. BluTopaz wrote:

    @ceecee

    off topic, but nevermind two nicely dressed guys fighting-you ain’t seen nothing until you see two 60+ year old women, (one Black, the other Hispanic), duking it out WWF style on an express bus from Queens going into Manhattan. Our brawls are so multicultural.

  15. NinaG wrote:

    “For some reason, this is the part of the story where everyone wants to know if the guy was black.”

    Everyone except me. For some reason I assumed that the dude is white. But I can think of several stories told by non-black people about some ‘big black dude’, so I’m not surprised that others would ask that.

    Anyways, this is an interesting piece.

  16. Seance wrote:

    @ceecee – Did I miss something? He didn’t mention anything about their clothes.

    I like this essay because it reveals ugliness. We as activists, fighters of rights and decency, are all sullied with the imperfection (that may be instilled in us by the system, media, tradition, family, & other strong influences) we devote our lives to eliminate and when that imperfection reveals itself, how do we learn from the experience? How do we excuse ourselves? I really would like to hear a constructive opinion on this.

    This essay reminds me of altasian’s piece on her school days as one of the only Asian Am girls in her school and how she dealt her bullies of black and white. Excellent works of brilliance! I applaud both authors and encourage more discussion on the topic.

  17. atlasien wrote:

    Great write-up of those charged scenes.

    Some of it feels eerily familiar. I once got in a pretty scary confrontation with a mentally ill person who sat next to my booth at a late-night doughnut shop and started yelling about “killing the gooks”. I never knew if he saw me or not before he got started on it… Something like that really affects you on the most basic chemical level and almost destroys your capacity for logical thought.

    Conflicts like this never make sense as they happen but there’s a lot to unwind in the aftermath.

  18. kakodaimon wrote:

    Wow. Amazing post. It’s difficult to figure out how the first fight happened, and also how the second one (with the idiot on the cellphone) didn’t… I really, really hope that guy feels awful about it now.

  19. Renee wrote:

    I was really intrigued by your commentary about “blending in” as an Arab. I have thought often about the conversations people have regarding race when they feel that they are surrounded by their peer group. We may play political correctness when we feel that a failure to do may impact us negatively but often this is just a charade. Our true feelings always come out when we feel that there will be little to no backlash about racialized expression. You can really see this on the internet where the anonymity encourages people to let out their inner idiot.

  20. Seance wrote:

    Whoa! I’m sorry for butchering your name atlasien :(

  21. ceecee wrote:

    @Seance

    Basically, we were two guys in winter coats and messenger bags

    …translated in my mind as: two well dressed guys. I could be wrong but that’s what I visualized in my mind.

  22. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    Damn, Joseph! That’s how great I think this post is.

  23. sooji wrote:

    i was completely moved by this.

    thank you for your courage to stand ground, regardless of how “childish” and “petty” some may say it is.

  24. macon d wrote:

    Wow, that was intense. So much so that I had to take a breather halfway through.

    Powerful illustration of that white gaze hanging over everything too. White people can forget it’s there, and most of the time do, and it seems that even people of color/non-white people can forget that sometimes too, but they do so at their own peril.

    One thing I wondered about–is there really such a thing as a “lizard brain” within us? Chicken/egg thing, I suppose, whether male violence is an inherent or socially induced behavior. Part of me wondered throughout this essay whether Joseph was excusing his violent behavior a bit much, by chalking it up to his “lizard brain.” As if to say, “you know how it is, mates, that part of us just can’t help taking over sometimes.” That explanation does not, of course, fly well in other contexts.

  25. Zorya wrote:

    Perhaps I am a lucky person since I don’t get this text much… (I live in a small racially homogenous country in Eastern Europe). Wow, aren’t these things complicated on your side of the Atlantic.

  26. bLaKtivist wrote:

    great piece. thank u 4 putting these pieces together 4 folks who have white privelege that they don’t recognize.

    interesting the way black and arab folk claim algebra… continental dispute i guess. regardless this was amazing piece.

  27. Whit wrote:

    yeah, I find being able to pass maddening as well. How do you reveal that you’re not white without coming off as crazy? The shame and guilt I feel for not saying anything when someone around me, a coworker (I can’t say anything at work, for a variety of reasons), a stranger, say something racist is beyond depressing. But gauging whether or not to out myself is going to be safe or jeopardize my safety and livelihood takes a long time. Too long. I shouldn’t have to go around wearing necklaces and shirts and putting up not too subtle flags in my car to get the point across. I shouldn’t have to act like a stereotype of my identities to be seen.

  28. jetessence wrote:

    I have to be honest. This must have went over my head because I didn’t find this as powerful as everyone else. Firstly, I didn’t wonder, “is he black?” as the writer assumed the reader would. Also, who is to say that he stopped straggling the writer because he thought, “oh snap! I’m straggling a “white” man in broad daylight.” Could it be that he thought, “Oh snap, I’m straggling a crazy man in public. This sh** ain’t worth it,” and got to stepping?

    It just feels like a bit stretching, and instead of feeling goosebumps, this essay left me feeling uneasy in a way that I cannot describe. I say this as a black Canadian woman who has been following this blog for some time.

  29. zillah975 wrote:

    Joseph, this is a very powerful and thought-provoking post. Thank you for making it.

    @macon d, I think we definitely have a “lizard brain” — my mom’s the first one who ever used that term to me, and it immediately made sense. But I would never think of it as being gender-specific. I think it’s the instinct for self-preservation, for protecting our loved ones, for defending our territory, and even as loathe as I am to say “all”, I do believe it exists in all human beings, to some degree. It’s not necessarily something we can’t control, but I believe that there are circumstances in which it’s very much our friend.

    I think the trick is to be sure that when it isn’t our friend, we do control it rather than letting it control us.

  30. atlasien wrote:

    “Part of me wondered throughout this essay whether Joseph was excusing his violent behavior a bit much, by chalking it up to his “lizard brain.”"

    I don’t think so.

    Whether you call it “lizard brain” or not, humans evolved with reactions to sudden danger that temporarily bypass conscious thought. There’s an adrenaline surge and a drastic narrowing of possible responses: freeze, run or fight.

    It’s not exclusive to men at all. The only difference is that a) women have less testosterone b) women are socialized since birth against hitting, and men aren’t.

  31. Ironic wrote:

    This is a very powerful piece of writing. And it makes me think about the spectre of racism that hangs over the shoulder of minorities when we’re out in public. You never do know what those ghosts look like but you certainly feel their effects in the glances and gestures of strangers, and in the thoughts that you (and strangers) might have.

    The thoughts are there and they are powerful, so powerful that even in the midst of your personal conflict both of you were affected by them.

    Excellent post.

  32. Helsinkiphil wrote:

    I got no further than

    …For some reason, this is the part of the story where everyone wants to know if the guy was black.

    Um.

    Everyone?

    I don’t think so.

    It never – and would never have – crossed my mind until you typed it.

    I can’t comment on the rest of the piece, because I’m not going to read it, but that assumption, right there, was racist enough for me.

  33. Lainad wrote:

    That was a great post. Thank you for that.

    I have never really got into a physical confrontation as an adult, but there have been times when, faced in a verbal situation, certian memories of being bullied as a kid all come back, washing over me and I always wondered if the person that I was engaged in the confrontation with can see all the anger in my eyes.

    I feel you when you say, the world is making me crazy.

  34. Joseph wrote:

    Hey. Thanks for reading this and for all of your comments.

    One thing, since so many are commenting on the phrase “For some reason, this is the part of the story where everyone wants to know if the guy was black” I thought I’d explain my thinking.

    When I wrote it I didn’t assume the reader was part of “everybody”, which perhaps I should have made more clear. When this happened I told everyone I came across because hey, I’d just been in a fistfight. And enough people–black, white and otherwise– wondered about the race of my attacker for it to merit inclusion in the piece. So I wasn’t “assuming” anything but rather reporting what happened. Significantly, the other question that came up among PoC was asking me if I used racial language with this guy, as if such slurs are always on the tip of my tongue and waiting to fall out of my mouth.

    I included both of these details because he and I did not really see each other until we were already fighting. (First my back was to him and then his to me.) I think that’s interesting, given the racial stuff that came up later.

    I hope that makes things more clear.

  35. derevolushunwidin wrote:

    ……… I’ve shared this with anyone online I can talk to about it.

    I must say however that I took issue with what felt was the discounting of “the would be strangler’s” race as though it too did not play into the interaction in not just how other people might have seen him (read black man attacking white man) but how you/the author also saw him when you continued to/were forced to/were compelled to/lizard brained into further engaging in the violence.

    It may simply be my perspective as a black womon who also cringed when you/he closed with the final words “bitch” that were for me not “stupid” but laced with sexism and misogyny.

    The piece however was for me a powerful look at what perspective, what we see, what we know and how we choose (not) to act/engage.

  36. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Helsinkiphil
    It wouldn’t cross the minds of lots of readers – myself included. It’s clearly a rhetorical “everyone” and likely refers to the history of the story’s telling (i.e. “Of the 5 people I’ve told the story to, they’ve all asked X right here”) and not anyone’s summation of what you, Helsinkiphil, must be thinking. Reading the rest of the piece might have given you more context.

  37. Renee wrote:

    Perhaps there was an over generalization by saying that everyone wanted to know if the man in question was indeed black however I do believe that some people would probably assume that he was based in the idea that black males are socially constructed as violent.

  38. livininphilly wrote:

    Very interesting piece and I appreciate it a lot. Especially b/c I have fairly recently been told that Arab people are considered “white.” Someone told me that and I remember thinking “hmmm… really?” After 9/11 the image we had of middle eastern people was of brown skinned people. But I can see it now as I see more and more light-skinned middle eastern people. Anyways, that’s a whole ‘nother discussion.
    I also appreciate how you so eloquently juxtaposed your double consiousness (as a passing, “other”) and his (as a visible, “other”) in that last paragraph. I like it b/c sometimes I think it must be easier to just go through life not being marked as “diffrent” or “other”, this piece shows that it isn’t.

    @jetessence
    -I’m not sure that it’s a stretch to assume that the black man was thinking this. It seems pretty logical to me b/c I know that i’ve been in situations where i’ve had to take a step outside of myself when i’m about to do something in anger in public and thought “how does this reflect on me and how does it reflect back on my race or people who look like me?” (I’m a black woman). I’ve said to myself many times “ok I will not be that black girl” and meant that I would not be that stereotype of black people that is so prevalent in the US. It makes sense that a big black man (read= scary/ultra masculine/criminal/violent) would have a moment like this when strangling a white man on a crowded subway platform in NYC. New York cops aren’t exactly trigger cautious (Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell, etc).
    What type of stereotypes do you run into in Canada? I’m always curious to hear what racial construction is like outside of a US-based context.

    Finally:

    “That is the look I feel myself giving the guy who has his hand on my throat. All the anger and frustration of the intervening years—Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Lebanon, Palestine, legalized torture, “random” searches, profiling, casual hatred—comes pouring out of my eyes and into his. I want him to see me too. I am standing right here! I think at him. His eyes get big and I can tell he is thinking, Oh shit, this guy is crazy. And its true, I am crazy.

    The world is making me crazy.”

    I looooove this quote. Yes! All the bullshit that people marked as “other” get put through on a daily basis (even when they do pass) is enough to drive anyone crazy.

  39. wendi muse wrote:

    sorry helsinkiphil, but give the guy some poetic license. if we take everything we read literally, we aren’t really reading at all. we are looking at words on a page. to speak for the author, he seems to imply by using the term “everyone,” much like we use “you” to be the surrogate pronoun for “people” sometimes, to mean “most people” to whom he has told the story.

    it’s a shame that you would neglect to read an entire piece, which is not racist at all, simply because of a misinterpretation of a commonly used surrogate pronoun.

  40. jetessence wrote:

    To Helsinkiphil,

    I wouldn’t go as far as say it was racist, but, yeah, that didn’t sit well with me. It was sort of the knock in the face as I read it. Was I suppose to assume that the aggressive arse in the story was a black man? And who are you associating yourself with that that is the first question they ask?

  41. Aj wrote:

    Fabulous! And complicated…

    @jetessence Crazy vs. white? No matter. To all witnesses, it was a black man strangling a (crazy?) white man on a crowded subway platform. And i’m pretty sure that’s how it would be been recorded in the police report.

  42. Fiqah wrote:

    @Joseph: So good. And so many things to think about.
    @Helsinkiphil: Hi. Joseph wasn’t predicting your reaction, he was reporting a trend among people he recounts this incident to. And that’s not racist, honey – that’s real.

    Maybe you should finish the piece before you go and get your virtual panties in the proverbial bunch.

  43. Mr. Noface wrote:

    Excellent piece . It is a window into what’s going on in the mind of those mainstream society has branded as “the other” and how it’s not monolithic and is rarely noticed by others (even those from a minority group). I’m sure many people who witnessed the event between you and the other gentleman, probably thought of it as nothing more than an altercation between two disgruntled New Yorkers (though them being prepared to flee in case a gun appeared is telling). To yourself and the other guy however, there were two seperate and distinct things going on your respective minds that stem from how you both view and are viewed in American society. This has given me much to think about.

    And @ Helsinkiphil you do yourself a deservice by not reading ( or at least skimming) the rest of the article.

  44. Elton wrote:

    Get over yourself, Helsinkiphil. In the time it took to write your unhelpful non-comment, you could have read the rest of the piece instead of reacting to one line out of context, wasting your time, my time, and the time of everyone who had to stumble over your me-too, reactionary reverse-racism cliché.

    Joseph, it is so rare to read an account of real-world racism that centers around the anger, the emotions, the dredging up of so much history and hatred that this story demonstrates. Too often we talk about racism removed from the day-to-day, in academic codewords like “privilege” and “power,” and forget that racism is about real people and real experiences.

    I don’t know if I could ever write about it as viscerally as you do, but I had an encounter with a customer at my mom and dad’s restaurant that was probably the closest I have ever been to a real fight. The man wanted to take advantage of us by getting something for nothing and when I refused, he first started bullshitting about how he knew the owner (”Ok, what’s his name?” No answer.) and then quickly turned to accusations of racism. I explained that we served everyone the same, that we didn’t give anyone any special favors, no matter if they were…

    “What? White or black,” he shouted, obviously wanting to accuse me of treating him unfairly based on his race. Here he is trying to take advantage of a Chinese-American small business that has been in operation since the 1960s and he wants to frame us as some sort of opportunists? Talk about hypocrisy!

    “We treat everyone the same,” I explained. By this time I had given up trying to eat my lunch and stood in front of him, uncomfortably close for him, but I felt secure in the knowledge that righteousness was on my side and that his flawed thinking revealed gaping weaknesses not only in his logic, but in his mental focus, if it was going to come to blows. He made those laughably clichéd flapping motions with his arms and thrusting motions with his head and chest that secretly insecure bullies often do.

    When it was apparent that I would not budge, that I was more furious than he, that I had much greater will to protect my family’s business than he had to get some free food, he, demonstrating the weakness of his will, resorted to calling me a slant-eyed motherfucker.

    At that moment, I knew it was over–that his entire house of cards of trying to frame my family business as racist had fallen–and that I had won. He went on to babble some self-pitying bullshit about how “too many soldiers have died,” as if I was some kind of fucking ignorant foreigner who didn’t have an ounce of patriotism, who didn’t have close friends in the armed forces, that I didn’t give a rat’s ass about America. Before he slinked his sorry ass out of my establishment, I made sure to call him a racist.

    That episode has just solidified in my mind how important my family is to me and how willing I am to defend them against our enemies. There is no glory in fighting only for yourself, but to give your life and your energy and your time for something greater than yourself–that is honor. I think it’s important as anti-racists to remember (and to remind others) that we’re not fighting only for ourselves, to satisfy some intellectual puzzle. We are fighting on behalf of those who have less voice than we, who will suffer untold consequences if we do not continue the struggle.

  45. jmn wrote:

    Joseph, thank you for having the courage to write and seriously examine what happened and how it could be (mis)interpreted by (white) society. This was a very powerful piece of writing.

  46. Jon Pop wrote:

    Great story. I must admit the first thing that crossed my mind was the race of the attacker, and I am a black male. Whenever I hear about a fight, I always wonder what races were involved.

  47. hobo4now wrote:

    Excellent piece. I would be curious to hear the other mans version – I’m certain it would be equally dynamic. ‘lizard brain’ – I imagine
    at that primitive human level racism is pretty irrelevent. I would hope we all recognize our own fears and private insanity in this writing.

  48. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    It’s funny–when I thought of your attacker at first, I imagined him to be a big white man. Perhaps it’s because where I grew up, the majority of my antagonists were white (there weren’t many black people around).

    I’m glad you were able to take a thing or two away from the altercation.

  49. Oronde wrote:

    I applaud your honesty. As a child of mixed ethnicities amongst a sea of ignorance my cultural background goes from African-American to Arab to puerto-rican to over-all future Egyptian. All I’ve ever known in this world is the hatred of visual judgment from other humans more firm in their ethnic visage. However due to that fact, every gesture of peace and friendship has been more fulfilling in my life than some may have or admit to having in their lives. Word up!

  50. Cara wrote:

    @ Joseph – great post!

    @ Whit – wonderful comments, thanks for sharing so honestly.

    @ bLaKtivist – Black and Arab are not necessaryliy two mutually exclusive terms :o ), so actually they can both claim Algebra, etc. if you look at it that way.

  51. Jeff wrote:

    Brilliant.

  52. LaVerne wrote:

    “That is the look I feel myself giving the guy who has his hand on my throat. All the anger and frustration of the intervening years—Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Lebanon, Palestine, legalized torture, “random” searches, profiling, casual hatred—comes pouring out of my eyes and into his. I want him to see me too.”

    Did you ever think that maybe this same thing went through his mind the moment his lizard brain kicked in before he punched you? All the Sean Bells and Oscar Grants and years of feeling less than, and then he’d just been shoved/disrepected by yet another “white” man? What if both of your anger was coming from the same place?

  53. Rob wrote:

    First, this is a powerful and provocative piece. Thank you.

    That said, I tend to agree with jetessence regarding the sentiments of the other parties involved in these incidents. Because there’s no evidence that these people were thinking what the author assumes they were.

    Being black does not automatically prompt someone into thinking “I’m black” in the midst of a public confrontation. The manvery well could have been thinking, “Uh-oh, I’m committing felony assault” or countless other things.

    Nor would the author being Arab (and notably not appearing so) automatically prompt the man on the phone to think “he’s Arab”. He may have been thinking “Uh-oh, I just profoundly offended someone” (which in and of itself could produce the fearful exclamation that followed).

    Neither of these possibilities has anything whatsoever to do with race. Thus the author may be projecting his own conditioning onto these situations, rather than providing a true reflection of what happened.

  54. Joyce Ann wrote:

    Quite an interesting view. You really don’t know who’s racist and who isn’t. Various circumstances dictate one’s racial ideas.

  55. Bekka wrote:

    Beautiful, powerful piece, fascinating in breaking down the intersections invisibly present in so many daily life interactions – THIS is why I read this blog.

    I also was picturing the guy as white until the first time you referenced race – although I’m not sure whether that’s positive in that I didn’t assume the guy was a PoC, or negative in that I, as a white woman, assumed the characters described were white.

    In terms of racial invisibility, I have had (very vaguely) parallel experiences as a person of Jewish heritage (while my religious beliefs are nil, and I’m a firm supporter of the Palestinian cause, I am also permanently and inescapably the granddaughter of Holocaust survivors, the daughter of a clergyperson, and the target of anti-semitism. It is incredibly educational, and (I suppose I am still naive) shocking to hear what people will say when you ‘pass.’

  56. G.D. wrote:

    Fantastic read.

  57. aja wrote:

    Great article! There is no sense in repeating all the previous comments. This was a great read, thanks!

    PS. On an unrelated note u ou should do some research on the originS of the concept of zero. and many other civilizations practiced advanced math. No one civilization “invented” these things. Just had to get that out there. These inaccuracies in no way weakened your point though!

  58. Bekka wrote:

    Also – @ LaVerne – great point, I hadn’t considered that possibility – I think it also underscores the invisibility of ALL of the motivations present.

    I think we can all agree it would be equally fascinating to hear what the other guy actually WAS thinking – sadly, most fights on the subway don’t lead to joint blogging stints. More’s the pity…

  59. Mike wrote:

    I liked this a lot.

  60. Phrone wrote:

    Damn, this was compelling.

    A while back ago on Racialicious, there was a conversation about the dynamics (and privilege) of passing (or not be able to pass) as white. I think this definitely adds something very (for lack of a better word) interesting to that.

    As a Latina, I definitely related to a lot of what you said.

  61. Joseph wrote:

    @Macon D
    You make an interesting point about my “lizard brain”. I was trying to illustrate that I acted without thinking–I wasn’t consciously trying to excuse my behavior, but maybe there is some of that in there. I just felt my switch flip, you know? I’ll think some more about what you’ve said.

    @derevolushunwidin
    I did not mean to leave the impression that I was discounting my strangler’s race. Based on the way we were situated I couldn’t see him and he couldn’t see me until after the fight started and then it all went very fast. So it was less “see what a good person I am I didn’t even notice his race” than “this giant man is hitting me and I don’t have time to react to anything else until later.” And re:”bitch”– I said it and I thought it would be disingenuous not to admit it when I wrote this. But as I wrote above I am not proud that I said it.

    @jetessence
    “Was I suppose to assume that the aggressive arse in the story was a black man? And who are you associating yourself with that that is the first question they ask?”
    A) No.
    B) New Yorkers

    @LaVerne
    I am not picking on you but you have misread my essay in a way that I think deserves some attention: You seem to think that I pushed this man and “disrespected” him when actually it was exactly the reverse. I can’t help but find that fascinating.

    @Rob (& jetessence)
    “Being black does not automatically prompt someone into thinking “I’m black” in the midst of a public confrontation. The man very well could have been thinking, “Uh-oh, I’m committing felony assault” or countless other things.”

    Of course you are right in the sense that everyone is an individual who reacts based on their own experience, which is necessarily different. I have to say though that what you have written above seems like a very Utopian view. While I can’t know what was in his head for certain it seemed very clear to me that he became suddenly very worried that the cops were going to show up. I live in New York, which is policed by men who seem to enjoy forcibly sodomizing men of color with alarming regularity. It may be true where you live that a very large black man can freak out on a subway platform and not worry about the attentions of the police, but it isn’t here. I should add that I also feel this pressure to “behave” in public for similar reasons. Police custody in New York city is unpleasant for men of my background. For better or worse the consequences for acting out in public are different for MoC. I think assumptions made based on that premise are reasonable, given history.

  62. Beth Mann wrote:

    Compelling is the word.

    It makes you realize as well that this kind of situation arises suddenly, and out of the blue. We often expect it in a dark alley or in an apartment lobby. But it erupts quickly and suddenly you are defending your life on a crowded subway platform.

    Sharp and powerful. Kudos!

    As for the person who suggested that the racism mention was the author’s projection, well, hell – what isn’t? All of our life’s experiences are projections to some extent.

    Sometimes racism doesn’t hit you over the head. We’ll never know the minute, subtle ways race came in to play in this story. Racism today is more insidious because of its lack of obviousness. People are shrewder, more careful…but still hateful.

  63. Sobia wrote:

    Wow! I loved this piece Joseph. The writing style itself was so intriguing let alone the actual story itself. Thanks for writing this and representing us post-9/11, war on/of terror victims of hate.

    I also pictured the guy as White until you mentioned race only because in my experience White guys have been the ones who have acted in that manner. (In fact I pictured a hockey player type – yes, I am Canadian). But I totally got what you were saying when you said “this is the part of the story where everyone wants to know if the guy was black. ” To me it was really clear that you had mentioned this story to others who had assumed he was Black.

    Its interesting that many comments here seem to read this encounter as you learning something about your own racism whereas I read it very differently. I read what macon d mentioned – how White gaze is always with us and controlling the way we behave. How the racism we face on a daily basis effects so strongly how we view the world, regardless of our race/ethnicity. And this in turn impacts how we interact not only with White people but also other people of colour.

  64. urbanwarrior wrote:

    To all, and especially to John – Check out the essay by artist/philospher Adrian Piper on “passing”. The article “Passing for Black, Passing for White” is a profound articulation of the emotional and psychic “cost” of being socially accepted, literally, at “face value”, as a socially “worthy” person – and the backlash and hostility the author experienced when co-workers and colleagues “discovered” that she self-identified as Black. I mention this because John speaks of the unpleasant things he has heard because he does not look stereotypically “Arab” and how people seem to have to rearrange their “seeing” in order to process his objections and anger. Piper speaks about the visible signs of shock, confusion, distress, and anger that these people displayed, often stating that she had deliberately and intentionally worked to “fool” them.
    Kudos John – for your pointing out that for many people hearing your story, that they, for some reason, would at the very same point in your tale ask if the man was Black. Believe me, I understand the point you were trying to illustate. Also double kudos, and a soul chest bump for your realization – and understanding – that your opponent appeared to “wake up” and realize that because of the color of his skin, he was in real danger in New York. “Suddenly he sees himself, a very big black man strangling a—for all intents and purposes—white man in broad daylight on a busy subway platform. There isn’t really any way this can go well for him.” The way you were able to see – and feel – both you and your opponent’s seeming “place” in American social structure is a major triumph of soul over circumstance. The line “ghost of white men with guns” is a brilliant insight. Glad you stood up and “manned up” too, because that large Black man sounds like someone who was used to “throwing his weight around” – I’m really glad you were able to defend yourself – and give brotherman a taste of “real” crazy. Peace to you and remember to keep your left up! ;) Stay Blessed!

  65. Maxfield wrote:

    Very thought provoking my friend. A very interesting time we live in, isn’t it?

  66. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Joseph,

    This is an amazing and really powerful post. Thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts in such a compelling way.

    When I tell stories about my experiences with racism and discrimination (or any other kind of encounters with people) the issue of race always seems to enter the picture. “Were they Black?” is the question I often get. I initially pictured the man being White too, and I suppose it’s because it reminds of the time when I almost got into a fist-fight with a White kid in high school right after 9/11. He was shoving me in the men’s locker room after gym class and kept calling me “Osama bin Laden.”

    I agree with “macon d” and “Sobia.” The realities of racism and the White gaze has serious impacts on the way we behave and perceive the world.

  67. Todd wrote:

    This essay… Is it a true story? I don’t know. I imagine it is. But the writing… is it true? Absolutely. The message and the language is honest and gripping and moving. This is a powerful piece and I will be sharing it with anyone who will read it.

  68. blip wrote:

    This piece hit home for me. Lately I’ve been having issues with the subway myself, due to the MTAs cutbacks, overcrowded trains, and the lack of civility and respect for one’s personal space.

    As a black woman, I have been violated each time by white people. It’s almost like I’m invisible and they have a right to crawl on top me, jab me in the sides with their fucking laptops and briefcases to occupy the space I’m in. There’s no “excuse me”, no “can you kindly move over”, there’s no “I’m sorry for bashing into you”…there’s just this violent pushing on my person, because apparently it’s okay for white people to assault black women on the subway. A crowded train seems to be the universal signal to act like a fucking barbarian and throw their 300 pounds on top of me.

    Recently I experienced a dehumanizing incident which has made me feel unsafe and unprotected ever since. I will never be the same. What I’ve learned is that if something happens between a black woman and a white woman, the white woman is immediately deemed the victim and is offered protection. On the flip side, the black woman is viewed as the instigator and is treated with hostility.

  69. red wrote:

    @ Joseph
    Great read, very thought provoking.

    Hope you will post more on Racialicious. More writing, less fighting ;-)

  70. danielle wrote:

    @blip: You’re not alone in feeling that way. I’m a black woman living in NYC as well, and oftentimes I’ve had to mentally weigh whether one of these “subway incidents” is the result of a general lack of human decency and respect, or if I am truly invisible to certain white people. I wonder if those people know how scary it can be to not be seen, or viewed as a whole person. There’s a feeling of safety and security that is lost, and I notice that I’ve adopted a certain ABW demeanor whenever I take public transportation-I’m still respectful, but much more wary and closed off. I can identify with the author, Joseph, when he said he wanted his agressors to see him, when he described being “sick with anger and fear.” I try not to let it get to me, but it just urks me when it seems that white privilege completely erases people like me from existence.

  71. red wrote:

    @Latoya and Joseph

    I clicked through to Joseph’s blog and saw the cross-post was illustrated with a different pic: a Rorschach (AKA ink-blot test), as mentioned in the piece.

    I thought that was a much more interesting illustration than the one here, subtle and more in tune with the way the piece was written (and I think that would have been the case even if Rorscahach hadn’t been directly mentioned).

    So my question is: why the change?

    (genuine question – I’m not trying to have a go at anyone)

  72. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @red –

    If someone doesn’t provide me a picture with a post, I just select one. In this case fight + racist mindfuck + exploration of shifting reality = Fight Club. I didn’t peek at Joe’s post on his blog as he emailed it to me directly.

  73. S Fatima wrote:

    ick, great, so we get the xenophobia-poc discourse, but we can’t extend the conversation of the “us versus them” dichotomy to see the dangers of using the word “bitch” here? and in this context–someone who runs away, is scared, gives up? very nice.

  74. citymaking wrote:

    I shared a similar reaction with 28 jetessence and 35 derevolushunwidin.

    This piece is very evocative and necessary – I just think you got a little carried away and that some commenters are validly responding to that (we should all know by now that “intent” is not a great discussion point).

    I really couldn’t help but get the sense that you were kind of proud for fighting. I wish you would analyze the role of violence and masculinity a little bit more and speak more directly about what exactly you were not proud of about the whole affair. I really have to say emphatically that the way you wrote did not make me feel you were ashamed of the incident. That aside, it was beautifully written and I’m really grateful to have read it. You can’t drop that last “bitch” bomb and not directly address, I don’t think.

    Again, I found this piece very beautiful and thought-provoking. Your analysis is very far beyond mine in so many ways – so it was so enriching to read this. I wouldn’t bother to comment otherwise. More personal essays like this are needed.

  75. Jason wrote:

    @NinaG
    me too! I always assume criminals are white. I assume its because of my multicultural background/coupled in with nearly everything in my life being white. I know PoC arent the only criminals, and it just doesn’t seem like something I would do ( or any person of color). But the guy DID stop himself.

  76. Daniel Jiménez wrote:

    Great post. I really enjoyed reading it.

    @Blip and Danielle

    As a white male (European who recently moved to NY) my experience with public transportation may be different. Nevertheless, I also believe that white people from the suburbs riding the Metro North trains are the worst offenders that I have known in my entire life. And I’ve never had a driver’s license here or at Europe, so I have seen a lot (I can’t speak about the NYC subway, as I rarely take it).

    I remember when my American in-laws (”proud white people”) asked me how was Harlem, where I had to take the bus everyday. They were expecting something along the lines of how uncivic “those black people” were. Contrary to what they expected, I told them that the people who took the bus in Harlem were much more corteous and civil than the suburban whites that took the Metro North. That didn’t sit well with my in-laws, who promptly contrasted my view with other peoples’ in order to disprove my experience as a kind of “anomaly”. Yeah, right. Two years of “anomaly”.

    My point is that although my experience may be different than yours, I completely agree that yes, white people are right now the most uncivic passengers in NY. But while white people continue to be considered as a “neutral” category, they will not realize how they behave as a group.

  77. Jason wrote:

    I’ve heard NYC is full of ppl who are rude, push and shove to get somewhere. That it is a very FAST place.
    So is this only part of the story then? Those who see most of the shoving,pushing and rudeness are PoC? Yes I’m making an assumption here but based on blips story that sound serious!

  78. Loretta wrote:

    I was thinking EXACTLY the same as NinaG.

    I love how honest this is but also hate the truth in it. The world is making everyone crazy I’m sure.

  79. Joseph wrote:

    @red
    I understand your confusion re: the picture. The above is actually a picture of me: I am a very beautiful man with fantastic, shiny abdominal muscles but I am far too shy and retiring to post a photograph of myself on my own blog.

    @S Fatima
    Could you say more? I’m not sure who “We” are and why they can’t “extend the conversation”…don’t hold back on my account, extend away…

    @citymaking
    What you have posted is very interesting. Under normal circumstances I am not a physically violent person–this incident was out of character enough for me to merit a lot of thinking on my part, which led to this essay. But if you sense that I am not ashamed then you are right, for two reasons. First, I did not initiate this violence I responded to it and protected myself, which is my right. Second– and perhaps more to the point in this forum–being “ashamed” seems like a dodge to me, a way to avoid taking responsibility. In other words, rather than a display of shame on my part, I am using this post to examine my own behavior and take responsibility for my actions.

    Finally, I did address the “bitch” bomb. In the essay and in the comments. It would have been easy to edit it out to make myself seem more sympathetic in the retelling but I consciously chose not to. If you and others have a strong reaction to it then I appreciate that.

  80. gabby wrote:

    Thank you so much for sharing this.

  81. Whit wrote:

    Urbanwarrior, that’s an amazing piece. Thanks for the recommendation.

    Cara, thanks. It seems there’s no way out of passing’s double bind. Not any safe and sanity-reaffirming way out, anyway.

  82. Alex wrote:

    Very provocative. The idea of ethnicity being more than appearance is something that gets ignored a lot. Be it fair-skinned Arabs like you, Joseph, or blond-haired, blue-eyed Jews like me, (not a race, obviously, but definitely a culture) or any number of other examples, it always enrages me the way people make such assumptions. The fact that people think that just because there isn’t an Arab/Jew/Whatever around (or at least not that they can tell) makes it okay to insult/threaten that group is problem enough. This is definitely an ugly truth, and this piece was very compelling.

  83. Abu Sinan wrote:

    Joseph,

    Great post. I have always respected your viewpoint and your opinions and hope to read more from you here.

    Like Renee, comment 19, I often think about ” the conversations people have regarding race when they feel that they are surrounded by their peer group.”

    In my case that happens pretty often. I am an over six foot blond haired blue eyed white guy with a lot of tattoos. What is not so obvious to the casual observer is that I am also a Muslim, have traveled extensively in the Middle East, speak Arabic and am married to an Arab lady and we have two children together.

    I get this all of the time where people assume (you know what they say aboout “assume) that I am racist, or will be accepting of their racist opinions and ideas because of my visual appearance.

    It has happened many times where people felt no issue making racist comments about Arabs, Pakistanis or sectarian comments about Muslims.

    I live in an area very diverse and some might think that these issues arent as big here, but they are. I think they are just not as vocal. It is diverse, so people are more careful what they say and in front of whom. When they think the “coast is clear” it is surpising the racist and sectarian comments they come out with.

    In my presence they feel free, when they dont know my personal background, sometimes when they do I can catch subtle, sometimes not so subtle reactions to it. A good example of this was the guy I worked with in Alaska who didnt know I was a Muslim and made a comment about wearing turbans.

    In fairness I will note that the idea od being free with offensive personal thoughts goes both ways. Even in this area of Northern Viriginia some Arabic speakers seem unaware of the fact that there are Arabic speakers who dont always come from Arabic backgrounds.

    I have heard Arabic speakers comment on my tattoos, but worse I have heard some of the most racist, hated filled diatribes against African Americans and other PoC, in Arabic, that they never would have said in English, nor in Arabic if they knew someone else who spoke Arabic was near. This, and in public.

    I have a rather good track record of calling people out on their comments, their racism, both in Arabic and in English. I am not the sort to be able to keep my mouth shut when confronted by this sort of thing.

  84. danielle wrote:

    Daniel, thank you for your comment. At least I know I’m not alone and not paranoid in noticing this type of behavior. What you said about the attitude of suburban whites gives me another perspective to consider. I know rude behavior doesn’t belong to any one race, unfortunately I tend to read it as black and white (sometimes literally) when it’s actively happening to me. I just hope your in-laws can one day come to the city to experience it, both good and bad, for themselves instead of making assumptions based on stereotypes.

  85. jetessence wrote:

    Thank you Joseph for responding to my comment. I do appreciate you sharing your experience and analysis, despite my reservations about your essay that rob and citymaking expressed more eloquently than I did (and did I really type “straggling” 3 times?? dang).

    As a PoC going to school in an overwhelmingly white conservative town, where I can be easily picked out in a class of 800 students, I am acutely aware of how I may be perceived as a black person.

    It just seemed equally plausible that any person assaulting an individual in broad daylight, might think twice and/or check for the cops regardless of skin colour. And I wondered how it was so easy for you to come to the conclusion you did. I understood the main point of what you tried to say, but I did have issues with the story (or maybe with the way it was told) that was used to illustrate your point. But, I am not a New Yorker, so you got me there.

  86. Lauren wrote:

    I don’t really know what to say. My first thought, like a few others, was “interesting”. After reading more comments, I now believe this essay went over my head.

  87. RainaWeather wrote:

    @NinaG: I agree. I also assumed the guy was white.

  88. Saad wrote:

    Fantastic post. I was linked here without knowing the content or nature of this post, and it hit me full force in the face. I’ve often felt the kind of looks and glances that have made me feel aware of how much different I, as an Indian Muslim, am from the people around me. But I haven’t been able to express these in words, and so I thank you.

    By the way, something that interested me was how some of the commentators were open about perceiving the big guy as white, as if it were denoting that they weren’t as racist as some others. But is it? That’s not an attack, just wondering.

  89. Versai wrote:

    Way back in comment #61, you told Laverne that she misread your essay, because you weren’t the aggressor. However, in your essay you say, “someone behind me gave me a hard shove out of the way. I fell forward, the guy walked around me, and out the door…but not before I gave him a hard shove back.”

    Now, it is possible that from the point of view of the black guy–he just pushed by you to get off the train. People push and shove on NY subways all the time–as Jason mentioned earlier–you even say that the train was packed. From the point of view of the black guy, your response with a “hard shove back” may have been the beginning of the incident–when his “lizard brain” kicked in. (He was trying to get off the train. You shoved him because ???)

    When he tells his story, the black guy may talk about getting in a fight with some white dude who shoved him for no reason. He may interpret that “bitch” line at the end as the white guy–secure in his “whiteness” and that the police will be on his side–reminding him of his “place”.

  90. Joseph wrote:

    @Versai
    Perhaps I have given the wrong impression of the level of aggression that is socially acceptable on the subway in New York City. Even under charged circumstances New Yorkers retain the power of speech. (And how.) If this man had tapped my shoulder and said “excuse me, I’m trying to get off” I would have moved out of his way. He didn’t. Instead he shoved me to the ground and walked over me to the door. I suppose it is possible that he holds himself blameless for our confrontation–in my experience people excuse themselves from all sorts of ignorant behavior–but if you were sitting on that train and saw me reeling from his shove would you really think “Wow that guy was just trying to get off the train and the other guy totally overreacted?”

    Maybe you would.

    But from my point of view–pulling myself up from the floor of the train–it seemed more like an assault.

  91. deb wrote:

    For some reason, this is the part of the story where everyone wants to know if the guy was black.

    Actually, it hadn’t even dawned on me. (If anything, I pictured the skinny, dorky kid as white.)

    I have no illusions that I chased him off by myself—it was the ghosts of white men with guns that sent him up the steps and away from me.

    Or, the ghost of Richard Wright’s “Bigger Thomas.” :(

    Thanks for sharing.

  92. blip wrote:

    @danielle: Well, yeah, you have to be self- protective. As a black woman, you simply must, because no one comes to our rescue. No one fights on our behalf. No one consoles us through the unfairness of life. We have to do that ourselves and then wake up to battle it out another day.

    I cried for weeks after the incident. It was in those moments I realized my worth on this planet. I have certain expectations from the world. I expect people to treat others with humanity when they ride the train. And I do get bent out of shape when some asshole casually violates my expectations.

    I can’t see myself taking the subway as a primary means of transportation much longer. I guess I’m lucky that I work for myself most of the time, so I don’t have to go out during rush hours. But at times when I do work outside my studio, it’s hell. I’ve been thinking about getting a Vespa or one of those mopeds to get around the city. I just don’t want to be a part of anything that casually serves to be injurious to my body, my psyche, and my health.

    I’m an unapologetic ABW and very emotional and vociferous when such subway incidents occur. I do worry that I will do something to some asshole who thinks it’s okay to be abusive to me so early in the morning, using the excuse “the train is crowded.”

    Yeah. The train is crowded. I get that. Usually when crowds pour in, things happen. People get in each others space, but I find for the most part, people are polite and do their best to accommodate others, without violating them. As I said before, the incidents I’ve experienced were all with white people. Joseph’s post rang true for me. I totally recognized that same white arrogance.

  93. blip wrote:

    @daniel: Welcome to America Daniel!

    I’ve ridden trains in several European cities and I can’t say I’ve ever experienced the same human disregard as I do here in NYC. So I guess it’s not all white people. ; )

    (Also, I hope I don’t have to clarify all my statements by putting “some” in front of “white people” in every post.)

  94. Jay wrote:

    I read through the first 72 comments wondering if I was the only one who felt slammed by the “bitch” comment. Thanks, s fatima. There are a lot of assumptions, projections and oppressions explored in this piece, and the amazing insight and thought expressed made it even harder for me to deal with the sexism at the end.

  95. Jay wrote:

    Joseph, I saw your response to s fatima after I posted my first comment. I can’t answer for her, and I do think it’s possible to expand the conversation, but it’s distressing to me that no one chose to do so. I don’t see where you’ve addressed it in the essay – it reads to me as if the “bitch” remark is unexamined in the rest of the essay, so clearly I missed something, and I didn’t see any comments about it before that.

    It did hit me hard. I’d like to know what I missed.

  96. Versai wrote:

    Ahh, I see. But Joseph, that’s not what you said in your essay. “Fell forward, the guy walked around me, and out the door” is not the same as “pushed to the ground and stepped over me”.

    As a regulary rider of the NY subway, I’ve seen plenty of hard shoves, pushes, stumble forwards, etc when people are trying to get on or off a train–that’s why your description sounded pretty much like a normal occurance to me.

    (Sure–people whould say excuse me, etc but if I had a nickle everytime someone did that–I’d be as broke as I am now.)

  97. red wrote:

    Latoya and Joseph – thanks for your explanations. lol

  98. Beth wrote:

    This was a fascinating and powerful read to me. It brought up so many things that I’ve never really thought about. Thank you for sharing your story. I have to admit, I too had a similar reaction to LaVerne in that I wondered if the other man was having the same thoughts as you when his hands were on your neck. It triggered a thought in me as I read ” ‘random’ searches, profiling, casual hatred…” that those are similar issues I’ve seen raised here before. Regardless of how the fight started, it made me wonder if part of what kept it going to some extent was the same basic train of thought on both sides. This is not to discount anything else, just a thought that sprang up. I like articles like this that make those thoughts come forward. (sorry for the overuse of “thoughts” I need a thesaurus.)

  99. Bagelsan wrote:

    Finally, I did address the “bitch” bomb. In the essay and in the comments. It would have been easy to edit it out to make myself seem more sympathetic in the retelling but I consciously chose not to. If you and others have a strong reaction to it then I appreciate that.

    My strong reaction was that “bitch” is *exactly* the kind of thing I would say in a riled-up situation like that (speaking as a feminist young woman here.) When you’re in a fight you do whatever you can to hurt the other person and being politically correct is the last thing on your mind (in my experience.) You want to put them in their place fast and painfully, and it’s not surprising that this desire manifests exactly as society has ingrained in all of us that it should. You want to tell them they are weak and worthless and that you’ll kick their ass if they mess with you and no one will care if they get hurt? You call them a woman or a “bitch” and it is shorthand for all of that, with overtones of “and if I wanted to fuck you right now I could and you’d just have to take it ’cause you are less than me and I win.”

    Hopefully it’s obvious that this is a natural but *bad* response. But when you’re scared and angry you aren’t going to pull punches even if they’re cheap ones, or if they verbally graze unintended targets… Personally I just see the “bitch” remark as an expression of the ingrained misogyny that everyone has, and not as a reflection on Joseph as a person. Calling someone a woman to hurt them shouldn’t even *function* as a weapon anymore than being white(-looking) should function as a weapon against a black man in a fight, but both of these are effective because our society is so damn sexist and racist. And it’s pretty easy to use the most effective weapon in a fight, no matter how crappy you feel about it later.

  100. Maria wrote:

    Everyone should read this.

  101. Eva wrote:

    @blip: I’ve been riding the subway in NYC for nearly forty years, I’m a black woman and I see where you’re coming from. Fortunately for me, I don’t work in midtown Manhattan, so I don’t have to deal with that same rush hour madness.

    I did take the Lexington Avenue line one day during rush hour and I said, never again. Talk about being packed like sardines.

    What I also notice now is the speed in which people move when they get off the subway, it’s like they’re in a race to get where they’re going and I’m always surprised that no one’s ever been trampled. Maybe it’s the economy.

  102. Tracey wrote:

    Wow. Great post. Really great post.
    @Bagelsan99: yeah. I think you’re right about how that word can often timed be used as a place-putter, even by people who are feminist-minded. It is defiantly often-times a struggle not to use that word to devaluate someone and something that takes constant self-evaluation. I’m defiantly glad Joseph didn’t edit it out.
    @ Joseph 79:”The above is actually a picture of me”….sigh. Just gonna let it go. Good to know you are modest though and want people visiting your sight for your intellect and not looks.
    I also think the man may have been thinking about the police to some extent. This also reminds me somewhat of Chappelle’s pixie sketch. When someone who can be easily read as a POC acts in a negative manner, that action is oftentimes applied to the whole race. Regardless of what may have happened on the train, many onlookers and very likely the police would have just say a black man abusing a white-looking man, and automatically read the black guy as the aggressor.I didn’t wonder if the guy was black ( I also pictured a white man) but am not surprised that others did. Also, whenever I hear a ridiculous news story ( person calling the police over chicken nuggets) or a crime report I find myself hoping the person is not Black/A.A. b/c if they are I know it is reflected on the entire race. It is often the case that a white person being aggressive/criminal is just an individual jerk, whereas a POC being aggressive/criminal is reflective of their entire race.

  103. Hibbs4Prez wrote:

    Interesting story. Frankly I wasn’t interested in the racial aspects as much as the rude behaviour by the guy who pushed you. This type of crap is getting worse amongst those who use public transportation. I think you did the right thing by not backing down.

  104. JP wrote:

    WoW! Very interesting post indeed Joseph. Give that lizard a treat for saving ur aSS, coulda been alot worse for both of you man.

    As a PoC, I first wondered if the big guy was black in the very first paragraph, as I often do, hoping for it not to be so. Guees that might be due to the effect on the class, as agree or not, it is what it is.

    Thanx for sharing.

  105. Kongming wrote:

    Like others have said, that was a very powerful post, Joseph. I’ll admit that I teared up a bit.

    I don’t see the issue other people have with the use of “bitch,” though? I mean, sure, it’s a casually misogynist term, but a) this post/essay/whatever you want to call it is focused on race and trying to include misogyny in the discussion would just muddle the message, and b) Joseph not only said within the article itself that it was a stupid thing to say, he’s said in the comments multiple times that he’s not proud of it.

    I had a few more things to say about this, but I guess Bagelsan covered them so I will refer you to her post. :)

  106. edna wrote:

    Let’s be honest, we, POC, do think, “Is s/he Black/Asian/Hispanic etc.?” Almost every time we hear or read about a dreadful story, we are hoping/praying to our gods, that s/he isn’t Black/Asian/Hispanic etc. We hold our breath until we know the person is anything other than what we are, and when s/he is the same as us…it hurts or we feel real fear or ashamed.

    Two things about this story interest me– first, how honest the writer is about being invisible. I’m a very light-skinned women of colour and I know what he is saying when he says, “Look at me, you son of a bitch. Look at me and see me.” I know that.

    Secondly, and this concerns me a bit, there seems to be an undertone where the writer feels that once people ’see’ him (see that he is an Arab), they become afraid or he can frighten them. It’s as if the writer wants to continue to promote the ‘crazy dangerous Arab’ stereotype. I don’t know Joseph’s background . . .but sometime mixed/’passable’ POC gobble up stereotypes as much as white people.

    thanks Joseph.

  107. Bagelsan wrote:

    this post/essay/whatever you want to call it is focused on race and trying to include misogyny in the discussion would just muddle the message

    Just to clarify I *do* think it’s valid to discuss the misogyny too. So I did. :) While it wasn’t the primary focus of the essay I don’t think bringing it up “muddles” anything. I would point out that the reasons for letting “bitch” slip might have a lot in common with some people’s reasons for letting racist slurs slip too. You’re putting someone in their place and you don’t give a damn how you do it. (I’m thinking in the context of a fight, again; it seems like often the first consideration is “how can I best hurt this person?” and leveraging gender and race against them are both effective ways of causing harm.)

  108. Gail wrote:

    Joe,
    This was intense, gritty and ugly. I’m glad your voice wasn’t silenced when this man wrapped his hands around your throat and choked you. Some days not reacting is like being choked; breathless, stressed and yet our rational mind is capable of taking a deep breath.

    Thanks for detailing your experience. The continuing dialogue and reaction makes for an interesting read, too. Thanks bloggers.

    Public transportation makes me crazy some days with the rude behavior. There’s the American sense of entitlement to space in public, which seems to justify shoving, cursing, spiting, latte swilling/spilling, backpack & briefcase oblivious wankers, etc. It is amazing , what can set you off in a need to defend or protect your territory, person or personal space on public transport. I’d call this lizard brain in some situations.

    I have wanted to boot people off trains & have done it when they are too offensive. Example– Singing at top of lungs about killing people of racial or sexual minorities on an am commuter trip.

    Personal safety is more the issue than color. How crazy or violent will this person be if I do something and do they have a weapon? It isn’t do I think a PoC will carry… more than a white person.

    Will my reaction incite violence or encourage someone to stand up for civility? Can I be silent another moment and be true to myself? Is today the day when I will move away if there’s room, turn the cheek at the comment or will I react?

    Does self even exist on public transport? Or is it just a day where one more thing plucked my last nerve and I had to do something however wrong it might seem to me later?

  109. Bekka wrote:

    Wow, Kongming, really? Are we so isolated that we can’t see the links between misogyny and racism? Are class and race muddling to discuss together? The fact is that dismissing misogyny dismisses half of the population, and dismissing misogyny in the context of racism dismisses all women of color. If the piece were ABOUT misogyny and the author slipped in a racial slur, it sure as hell would not be muddling to discuss. Which is absolutely as it should be.

  110. edna wrote:

    Arrh! What happen to my post?

    Anyway, thanks Joseph

  111. MahoganyGreenwood wrote:

    An honest perspective. Not flawless in its path to present it; as I can feel the emotion of the altercation manipulating the story for the judgmental readers a bit to much, but honest none the less.

  112. Rchoudh wrote:

    Like others have said this was an excellent post. I’m especially interested in understanding how the ability to “pass” can either help or hurt different situations. Joseph, I could easily picture how the ability to pass yourself off as being white would have very likely served as an advantage to you if the police were to get involved in the altercation between you and the black man.
    In the incident involving the white man the ability to pass hurt you a great deal because you had to hear racist things about your community. And if you were to get into a fight with the white man and thereby outed yourself as being Arab, I have no doubt that the police would have roughed you up just as much as the black man especially since the fight happened so soon after 9/11.

    This story also reminds me of countless other stories of Middle Easterners being able to pass until they are outed, which causes a change in behavior within people who at first accepted them. I’m remembering this one particular story of a Lebanese cafe’ owner who said that customers always assumed he was Eastern European until he told them he was Lebanese after which some doofuses would start with racist terrorist jokes!

    As far as the b**** comment goes and its use in this context to the posters who are saying hurtful comments are expected in charged situations such as fights, I’m wondering if it would be excusable for a person who normally doesn’t use racial slurs to just give in and start using them in the middle of a fight? Would that person be regarded as a racist (or would Joseph be regarded as sexist because of his use of a sexist term?) I’m assuming that Joseph normally doesn’t go around using b**** freely so how often does a person have to use racial/sexist slurs before being dubbed racist/sexist?

  113. Bekka wrote:

    I’m wondering if it would be excusable for a person who normally doesn’t use racial slurs to just give in and start using them in the middle of a fight? Would that person be regarded as a racist (or would Joseph be regarded as sexist because of his use of a sexist term?) I’m assuming that Joseph normally doesn’t go around using b**** freely so how often does a person have to use racial/sexist slurs before being dubbed racist/sexist?

    Amen. Can we get another post up discussing this? It’s an important topic that shouldn’t be relegated to the comment boards, and it’s relevant beyond the bounds of Joseph’s story, which served as the catalyst. And to clarify, I’m not saying that Joseph IS sexist, but the discussion of boundaries absolutely needs to be had.

  114. Hypatia wrote:

    I don’t really know what to do with this, but I can tell that I will carry it around with me all day. Thank you for posting it.

  115. Joseph wrote:

    @Rchoudh
    Your points are well taken but I wanted to get back to you about your use of “passing.” I understand where you are coming from, using this term as a shorthand for cultural/racial/ethnic invisibility. I know you mean no harm but you and others have used it uncritically here and I want to unpack it a little.

    “Passing” is an intentional practice of racial masking. It has a specific history among African Americans that has nothing to do with people like me. There are scores of people from the part of the world where my family originates that look just as I do. Many, many Arabs from the Levant–the chunk of the Eastern Mediterranean that encompasses Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria–are fair skinned and light-eyed. Like I said I understand why you used this term–and you are not the only one–and I very much appreciate your astute points, but ultimately I feel like applying the term “passing” to people like me puts us into a black/white binary that we are not part of.

    So I want to be clear: I am not “passing.” This is just my face.

  116. Rchoudh wrote:

    @ Joeseph

    Ok just to clarify I didn’t mean to imply that you yourself was intentionally “passing” yourself for being white European. What I meant to say was that due to American ignorance over the variability of phenotypes within the Middle East, most Americans would automatically assume you were European until they asked you your ethnicity.

  117. Versai wrote:

    So, is there a term for people who can choose to be “visible/invisible”–in terms of culture/ethnicity/etc?

  118. Joseph wrote:

    @Rchoudh
    Oh, I knew what you meant, I didn’t take offense. I just thought it was worth interrogating the use of “passing.”

    @Versai
    Why do you need a term?

  119. nick wrote:

    Regarding the use of the word “bitch” or worse, I’ve probably been guilty of that in high-stress situations, as have many guys I know.

    Yes, they are misogynistic terms, but they are used in specific circumstances. Specifically, on the street or in clubs & bars. These words are perceived as offensive (for different reasons depending on gender) and are used for that very reason.

    Keeping an altercation in the verbal realm (as opposed to physical) means that stupid random incidents don’t become potentially life-threatening.

    Most guys don’t want to fight. But they don’t want to back down and seem weak either. Verbal assaults are a safer, albeit unpleasant, way to assert themselves. Not excusing it, just offering an explanation.

    Bagelsan

  120. nick wrote:

    Apologies. my copy/paste function added Bagelsan to the end of my post. For what it’s worth, I agree with her earlier post.

  121. Versai wrote:

    @Joseph
    Hmmm. I didn’t say that I needed a term, I asked if one existed. But I’m going to take from your response that IF there is a term out there, it’s probably one you don’t agree with.

  122. Joseph wrote:

    @Versai
    Apologies, I didn’t mean to seem terse: I was genuinely asking why it would be preferable to have a word. As far as I know there isn’t a term for folks whose racial/ethnic/cultural visibility is conditional. And if there is one, I’m not sure if I am interested in applying it to myself…

    While it wasn’t my intention to single you out I do bridle at the idea that, in some way I “choose” to be visible or invisible–because that is just another way of accusing me of “passing”, which is problematic for three reasons. First, as I said passing is an intentional practice with its own history that people from my part of the world have no relationship with. Second, in order to “pass” I would have to be presenting myself as other than I am, which I’m not because (as I’ve also already said) people from my part of the world tend to look like I do. And finally, the assumption embedded in the idea that I could choose how other people perceive me is that the choice to seem “white” is the preferable one.

    It may be that this issue, like the gender stuff that came up for some people, needs its own post to really unravel. So instead of going into it more deeply here in the comment thread I’ll work on a post that addresses these points specifically. In any case, I want to be clear that I didn’t mean to attack you in my response–I was reacting to the thought, not you.

  123. smartygirl wrote:

    first off i am glad to see no one was seriously hurt! i am a white canadian woman married to a mixed-race man with a mixed-race baby who has no problem “passing” (i was kind of shocked by his paleness when he was born) for now (we’ll see how that changes as he grows up and “gets his colour”). i wonder how this will affect him as he grows up. my husband seems remarkably at ease with his ethnicity (born in a somewhat ethnically-diverse upper-middle class neighbourhood, childhood spent half there and half in zambia where being “coloured” came with privelges), and i hope we can raise our son to be similarly conscious yet at ease in his own skin. i have heard those “was he black” comments in similar context and been torn about how to react – pull out wedding photos?

    @livininphilly “Especially b/c I have fairly recently been told that Arab people are considered “white.” Someone told me that and I remember thinking “hmmm… really?” After 9/11 the image we had of middle eastern people was of brown skinned people.”

    race is very fluid… jews have gone from being “other” to “white” and i think arabs have gone from “other” to “white” and back again. italians and irish are still considered “other” in some places. it all depends on whom you’re standing next to.

    @joseph “You seem to think that I pushed this man and “disrespected” him when actually it was exactly the reverse.”

    it always amazes me when people get fussed at getting bumped around on a crowded subway – he was behind you, do you *know* that he deliberately shoved you? or was he just trying to get off before the doors closed and inevitably came into contact? (i tend to think people-who-block-the-doors belong in hell along with people-who-freeze-instead-of-getting-out-of-the-way-when-they-get-off-an-escalator) people are rude on transit in big cities, sad but true – i’ve seen people of all races push the elderly out of the way, and when i was very pregnant, on one occasion two middle-aged white women pushed me out of the way to get to seats. (immigrant teenage boys seemed most likely to let me sit down)

  124. Reiter wrote:

    Interesting and very raw piece. Speaking as a native New Yorker (and Asian-American) myself, I can say that NYC can be a pretty rough (and rude) place. It’s gotten better as far as security goes (I won’t go into the pros and cons of having increased police presence and the implications of our post-9/11 police state of affairs) but on the whole people are people. I’ve had my share of brushes that almost came close to physical confrontations but thankfully they never escalated beyond words and posturing. Incidentally, it did make me look up state and city laws as far as carrying a legal sized pocket knife for self defense and general use. Now that I’m in the military, carring a knife around is really no big deal.

    My cousin can attest to the tough NY metro system. He’s been mugged twice for his iPod (when they first came out) but in both cases I warned him previously to replace the white ear buds with black ones since the white ones stood out too much. In one instance the cops (who were undercover plainclothes in the same train car as he was) managed to pepper spray my cousin’s assailants and apprehend a couple of them as they tried to run (they were Hispanic, FYI, and my cousin did say racial comments were used). Like all cowards, bullies tend to swarm in groups and gang up on their targets.

    Point is, always beware of your surroundings, minimize things that would make you stand out as a potential target (ie. the white ear buds), and it can’t hurt to take a self defense class or two.

    In the article’s case, I think the part of the cops being better at stopping crime on the metro was part of the reason the shover fled. After the adrenaline and rush of the initial encounter, our brains tend to take over again and see the light of reason, and in most cases, continuing to fight isn’t a good idea. I see the “bitch” comment as something that a lot of us would say in the heat of the moment (ie. when we’re not thinking clearly). I do applaud the author for his frank honesty and he never makes it a point to paint himself as some sort of tough guy or hero for the things he did and said. Doesn’t mean dumb comments or actions should get a free pass but I appreciate the accompanying explanations for them.

    When fight or flight ensues, I wonder how many of us would do the same thing.

  125. Joseph wrote:

    @smartygirl
    Although I am enjoying the novelty of a Canadian perspective on public displays of rudeness, I have addressed your question more than once already. Please re-read my essay and subsequent comments.

  126. Shauna wrote:

    I think that more articles on passing for white occasionally would be interesting. It would seem that PoC passing for white would have the most perspective on white privilege, especially if sometimes they are seen as PoC due to certain markers.

  127. dalia wrote:

    not once did i wonder if the guy who grabbed you was black. in fact, it didn’t even cross my mind.

    that being said, i hate when i’m telling a story and someone asks “was s/he black?” as if that would give automatic purpose or reason for the person’s behaviour.

    jerks and assholes come in all colours.

    i loved this post, though. i was captivated right until the very end.

  128. francis mcclean wrote:

    i think the author of this post should , perhaps, think of taking up writing for a living, if indeed that’s not already the case. glad i stumbled upon this post.

  129. beesting wrote:

    Nor did I wonder, or assume, the guy was black.

    I abhor violence whatever color it uses, but my thoughts ran more along the lines of, “a man who uses words in this manner can move mountains.” Do you?

  130. woundedduck wrote:

    I work in an office with all white people–except for the black temp who I’m friends with. I live in L.A. and have never even seen the black parts of town–Compton, Inglewood–and so I was saying to a white co-worker how I plan to gas up my car and drive through Compton on a weekend night. As my co-worker and I were wondering how adventurous that would be, I all of a sudden thought of the black temp, and how, even though she isn’t from Compton, we could have been treating her neighborhood like a carnival ride. How messed-up is that?

  131. shlok wrote:

    small edit: Numbers (by tens) and the concept of zero and infiniti originated in India. it was just brought over by the moors to the west.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numerals
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero#History

  132. mar wrote:

    I just wanted to say how incredible your story was. I feel that I can relate to your experience, though not in the fighting guys on the subway, but in the sense of passing for white and experiencing that invisibility that comes with not have the distinct features of my ethnicity.

    As a Ecuadorian female who passes a white female, I find myself with people make derogatory and racist remarks about Hispanics. And at the same time, I find myself experiencing from white privilege.

    Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your experience- the perspective of another person who experiences that ‘invisibility’ is something that hard to find, and comforting to find.

  133. iamthevillain wrote:

    this is brilliant