Frank Miller’s “300″ and the Persistence of Accepted Racism

by Guest Contributor Jehanzeb Dar, originally published at Broken Mystic

When Frank Miller’s “300″ film was released, I was absolutely outraged by the racist content of the film and more so at the insensitivity of movie-goers who simply argued “it’s just a movie.” Later on, I would hear these same individuals say, “The movie makes you want to slice up some Persians.” I wrote an article about the film almost immediately after it was released, and now that I’m still noticing people quoting the movie or listing it as their “favorite movies,” I’ve decided to update my original post and discuss some points that will hopefully shed some new light.

“300” not only represents the ever-growing trend of accepted racism towards Middle-Easterners in mainstream media and society, but also the reinforcement of Samuel P. Huntington’s overly clichéd, yet persisting, theory of “The Clash of Civilizations,” which proposes that cultural and religious differences are the primary sources for war and conflict rather than political, ideological, and/or economic differences. The fact that “300” grossed nearly $500 million worldwide in the box office may not be enough to suggest that movie-goers share the film’s racist and jingoistic views, but it is enough to indicate how successful such a film can be without many people noticing its relentless racist content. As Osagie K. Obasogie wrote in a brilliant critique of the film, “300” is “arguably the most racially charged film since D. W. Griffith’s ‘The Birth of a Nation’” – the latter being a 1915 silent film that celebrated the Ku Klux Klan’s rise to defend the South against liberated African-Americans. Oddly enough, both films were immensely successful despite protests and charges of racism.

Media imagery is very important to study. Without analyzing and critiquing images in pop culture, especially controversial and reoccurring images, we are ignoring the most powerful medium in which people receive their information from. A novel, for example, may appeal to a large demographic, but a film appeals to a much wider audience not only because of recent video-sharing websites and other internet advancements, but also because the information is so much easier to process and absorb.

According to the Cultivation Theory, a social theory developed by George Gerbner and Larry Gross, television is the most powerful storyteller in culture – it repeats the myths, ideologies, and facts and patterns of standardized roles and behaviors that define social order. Music videos, for example, cultivate a pattern of images that establish socialized norms about gender. In a typical western music video, you may see female singers like Brittany Spears, Christina Aguilera, and Beyonce wearing the scantiest of clothing and dancing in erotic and provocative ways that merely cater to their heterosexual male audiences. These images of women appear so frequently and repetitively that they develop an expectation for women in the music industry, i.e. in order to be successful, a woman needs to have a certain body type, fit society’s ideal for beauty, and dance half-nakedly. Stereotypical images of men in music videos, on the other hand, include violent-related imagery, “pimping” with multiple women, and showing off luxury. Such images make violence and promiscuous sexual behavior “cool” and more acceptable for males. As we can see from two studies by Greeson & Williams (1986) and Kalof (1999), exposure to stereotypical images of gender and sexual content in music videos increase older adolescents’ acceptance of non-marital sexual behavior and interpersonal violence.

Cognitive Social Learning Theory is another social theory which posits, in respect to media, that television presents us with attractive and relatable models for us to shape our experiences from. In other words, a person may learn particular behaviors and knowledge through observing the images displayed on television. A person may also emulate the behavior of a particular character in a film or television show, especially if a close-identification is established between the viewer and the character. Both theories – Cultivation Theory and Cognitive Social Learning Theory – apply in my following analysis of “300.”

In order to deconstruct “300,” I will start by (1) discussing its distortion of history, then (2) contrast the film’s representation of Persians and Spartans, (3) correlate Frank Miller’s Islamophobic remarks on NPR with the messages conveyed in “300,” and (4) conclude with the importance of confronting stereotypical images in mainstream media and acknowledging the contributions of all societies and civilizations.

Distortion of History

Initially a graphic novel written and drawn by Frank Miller, who is best known in the comic book industry for reinventing Batman in his critically acclaimed “The Dark Knight Returns,” the inspiration for “300” stems from true historic events, although Mr. Miller states that it was never intended to be a historically accurate account of the Battle for Thermopylae. In any case, the information we have about the Battle for Thermopylae comes from the classical Greek author, Herodotus, who lived in the Persian city of Halicarnassus. His book, “The Histories,” became part of Western folklore in 1850, when America embraced it as the leading authority on Persian history. Interesting enough, and many people may not know this, is that prior to 1850, the West had a very favorable impression of the Persian Empire, particularly because its main source for Persian history was rooted in the Bible and the “Cyropaedia,” which was written by another Greek author named Xenophon. The “Cyropaedia” glorifies the rule of Cyrus the Great, a benevolent Persian king who will be discussed later. In respect to the Battle of Thermopylae, the events may have occurred, but it was far different than the famous myth explains: 300 Spartans held Thermopylae for three days against over a million Persian soldiers.

This version of history is portrayed in the Hollywood adaptation of “300” in heavily stylized fashion that remains faithful to the comic book. The film’s director, Zack Snyder, said during an MTV interview, “[t]he events are 90 percent accurate. It’s just in the visualization that it’s crazy.” And yet, the film hardly mentions that the 300 Spartans were allied with over 4,000 Greeks on the first two days of the battle, and over 1,500 on the final day (other sources mention that there were 7,000 to 10,000 Greek allies). The battle was fought in a narrow mountain pass of Thermopylae where not even two chariots could pass through side by side; the choice of using this terrain benefited the Spartans and their Greek allies immensely against the Persians. Many historians agree that the massive Persian army would have obliterated the Spartan/Greek forces without much difficulty if the battle were fought on an open battlefield. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the Spartans were heavily armored and wore armor that weighed 30-40 kg, while the Persians were lightly armored.

Ephraim Lytle, assistant professor of Hellenistic History at the University of Toronto, states that “300” selectively idealizes Spartan society in a “problematic and disturbing” fashion, which would have seemed “as bizarre to ancient Greeks as it does to modern historians.” Touraj Daryaee, Baskerville Professor of Iranian History at the University of California, Irvine, criticizes the film’s use of classic sources:

Some passages from the Classical authors Aeschylus, Diodorus, Herodotus and Plutarch are spilt over the movie to give it an authentic flavor. Aeschylus becomes a major source when the battle with the “monstrous human herd” of the Persians is narrated in the film. Diodorus’ statement about Greek valor to preserve their liberty is inserted in the film, but his mention of Persian valor is omitted. Herodotus’ fanciful numbers are used to populate the Persian army, and Plutarch’s discussion of Greek women, specifically Spartan women, is inserted wrongly in the dialogue between the “misogynist” Persian ambassador and the Spartan king. Classical sources are certainly used, but exactly in all the wrong places, or quite naively.

As I wrote in my post on “The Truth About Thanksgiving: Brainwashing of the American History Textbook,” omitting and ignoring an entire race of people in historical accounts is a form of racism because it negates the achievements and stories of the “Other.” In the film, Persians constantly threaten Spartans with slavery, and yet, any honest historian knows that the Persian Empire, particularly the Achaemenid Empire, was built on a model of tolerance and respect for other cultures and religions. According to the documentary, “Persepolis Recreated,” the Persian Empire is the first known civilization in the history of humankind to practice international religious freedom. Images carved on the walls of Persepolis testify how Persians interacted and conversed with nobleman of other nations respectfully and without enmity. Denying another civilization its own accomplishments and contributions to the world is like blotting them out from history altogether and rewriting one’s own prejudice version. As we will learn later, any mentioning of Persian valor, compassion, and sophistication, would have resulted in a potential backfiring to the film’s agenda.

At one point in the film, the Spartan protagonist, King Leonidas, describes the Athenians as “boy lovers,” which, according to Paul Cartledge, professor of Greek History at Cambridge University, is ironic, since “the Spartans themselves incorporated institutional pederasty [erotic relationships between adolescents and adult men] into their educational system.”

The fact that Frank Miller and Zack Snyder stripped the Spartans of homosexual relations and, instead, made them accuse the Athenians of being “boy lovers” in order to reinforce their masculinity, shows us a distortion of history that favors a heavily masculinized and homophobic take on the Spartans. In modern society, homosexual males are frowned upon the most because society discourages men to behave in ways that are contrary to their expected gender traits, i.e. a man must be strong, emotionless, and courageous – and of course, these play into stereotypes about homosexuals since it suggests they cannot possess any of those traits. Therefore, if a man is a “boy lover,” he can never be as great of a fighter as a heterosexual Spartan. It’s obvious that mentioning the facts about Sparta’s institutional pederasty would not have made a connection with the film’s directed heterosexual male audience. This is evident from Oliver Stone’s “Alexander” film, where many expressed their outrage of Alexander engaging in homosexual relations, therefore never developing a close-identification with the character.

Distorting the history in “300” merely fulfills one component in glorifying the Spartans and vilifying the Persians. In the next section, we will see how the film’s visual representation of Spartans and Persians accompany its biased history for the sake of reinforcing the divide between West and East.

Spartans and Persians: Glorification, Demonization, and Tokenism

Perhaps the most noticeable offense in the film is how the Persians are horrifically depicted as monsters. It is not hard to notice the punctuated differences in skin color: the white-skinned Spartans versus the dark-skinned Persians. The Persian King, Xerxes, is shown as an abnormally tall, dark-skinned, and half-naked madman with facial piercings, kohl-enhanced eyes and, as Dana Stevens from Slate writes, “[has] a disturbing predilection for making people kneel before him.” The rest of the Persians are faceless savages and demonically deformed. This demonization of the Persian race extends to malformed characters, including Persian women, who are depicted as Lesbians and concubines. Even the elephants and rhinoceroses look like hell spawns. Stevens also adds:

Here are just a few of the categories that are not-so-vaguely conflated with the “bad” (i.e., Persian) side in the movie: black people. Brown people. Disfigured people. Gay men… Lesbians. Disfigured lesbians. Ten-foot-tall giants with filed teeth and lobster claws…

Also noticeable is how the Spartans wear no body armor; instead they are bare-chested and wear only a helmet, cape, and underwear. This is common in comic books where physical attributes of male characters such as muscles are magnified and exaggerated to symbolize strength, power, and heroism. In sheer contrast, the Persians are dressed in typical Middle-Eastern attire in pure Orientalist fashion, which only degrade them into invisible and insignificant characters without stories. We have seen these contrasting images of West and East cultivated before, and we still see them today. Whenever a crisis in the Middle-East is covered by the mainstream Western media, we tend to see the images of garbed Middle-Eastern men burning flags and shouting like barbarians, but rarely ever see scholarly and intellectual Middle-Easterners who are treated with respect and credibility. As Jack G. Shaheen discusses in his book, “Reel Bad Arabs,” Hollywood is guilty of vilifying Arabs and Muslims; repeating images of light-skinned and attractive Western (mostly American) counter-terrorist heroes blowing away dark-skinned, unattractive, and “rag-headed” Middle-Easterners. These images have been repeated so much in the mainstream media that they become the socialized norm: Arab/Muslim = Evil, oppressive, terrorist, and uncivilized, etc. Although the ancient Persians in “300” are neither Arab nor Muslim, they are confined into the same group through modern-day Orientalism.

Throughout the film, for instance, the constant emphasis on “The Clash of Civilizations” is not just limited to the manner of visual representations, but rather extends to what the Spartans and Persians stand for. Early in the film, we see the Spartan King, Leonidas, resist against the Persian call for “submission” by bellowing about freedom and liberty. Just like the visual depictions of Persians in “300” are no different than Hollywood’s stereotypical and insulting representation of Arabs and Muslims, neither are the themes. As adolescents and fans alike eccentrically shout the film’s most memorable quote, “This is Sparta!” – a line that Leonidas says right before kicking an African man down a well – they knowingly or unknowingly establish a close-identification with the Spartan characters and, subsequently, the heroism they are meant to epitomize. As a result, Persians get perceived, in modern terms, as “terrorists” – monstrous beings that are mysteriously driven by an innate desire to conquer, slaughter, and oppress.

These differences between Spartans and Persians ring eerily similar to modern-day tensions between the West and the Middle-East. As Obasagie writes, “this racialized depiction of freedom, nation, and democracy becomes central to “300’s” take home message,” but what remains even more unnoticed is the film’s “unapologetic glorification of eugenics.” In the very beginning of the film, for example, we see the newborn Spartans being inspected for “health, strength, and vigor,” while the weak and disabled are hurled off a cliff onto a large pile of dead babies. Obasogie further elaborates:

The film suggests that this rather crude form of eugenics is put in place for military reasons: every Spartan child should either be able to become a soldier or give birth to one… Initially shocked, audiences are quickly reassured that this is all for the greater good: nation, freedom, and the Spartan family. How else can Sparta defend itself – and inspire modern democracies – unless it reserves scarce resources for the strongest?

Strongest men, that is, which brings me to my next point: the exploitation of female characters. A blog post written at FirstShowing.net explains “Why Women Should Go See ‘300.’” The list, which is not even written by a woman, reads: 1. Gerard Butler, 2. Gerard Butler Naked, 3. Empowered Women, 4. Strong Relationships, and 5. 300 Nearly Naked Men with 8-Pack Abs. The author apparently thinks that male eye-candy, romantic relationships, and a dash of “feminism” constitute a “good film” for all women.

At first glance, the Spartan Queen Gorgo may look like an empowered woman, but she is a token character, at best. In a predominately White male film, she serves as the only central female character and assumes a pseudo-feminist role of flaunting her femininity for the sake of reinforcing the film’s racism and singular image of masculinity. For instance, early in the film, the Persian messenger angrily responds to her, “What makes this woman think she can speak among men?” She responds proudly, “Because only Spartan women give birth to real men.” Yes, real men, i.e. the one-sided view of masculinity: aggressive, violent, dominating, muscular, etc. It seems that any man who doesn’t meet these characteristics is not a “real man.” It also seems that Spartan women are treated as merely “manufacturers” of these “real men.”

The mentioning of women occurs enough times in the film to establish that Spartans treat their women “better” than the Persians. The only Persian women we see are sex slaves and disfigured lesbians. In actuality, there were Persian Empresses such as Azarmidokht, who ruled Persia under the Sassanid Empire. Ancient Persian women not only engaged in political matters, but also served as military commanders and warriors. One of the great commanders of The Immortals was a Persian woman named Pantea (pictured left), and during the Achaemenid dynasty, the grand admiral and commander-in-chief for the Persian navy was a woman named Artemisia. Persian women also owned property and ran businesses. Unfortunately, we do not see any such representation in “300.”

A counter-argument may state that Queen Gorgo actually plays a pivotal role in the film since she convinces the council to send more soldiers to aid the Spartans. But her success could never have been accomplished if she did not do what stereotypical female characters usually do: use her body to get what she wants. Queen Gorgo initially tries to convince a corrupt Spartan politician, Theron, but then realizes that she has no choice but to submit herself sexually to him.

As we have seen in this section, the glorified violence, racism, and erotic imagery of the Spartans, as well as the use of women, accentuates their superiority over the Persians, but perhaps nothing can drive the point home more than Frank Miller in his own words.

Frank Miller and Islamophobia

It should be in the interest of those who may disagree with my analysis of “300” to listen to Frank Miller’s interview on National Public Radio (NPR) on January 24th, 2007 (or read the transcript). The interview followed former President Bush’s State of the Union address and is pasted below (emphases added):

NPR: […] Frank, what’s the state of the union?

Frank Miller: Well, I don’t really find myself worrying about the state of the union as I do the state of the home-front. It seems to me quite obvious that our country and the entire Western World is up against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants … and we’re behaving like a collapsing empire. Mighty cultures are almost never conquered, they crumble from within. And frankly, I think that a lot of Americans are acting like spoiled brats because of everything that isn’t working out perfectly every time.

NPR: Um, and when you say we don’t know what we want, what’s the cause of that do you think?

FM: Well, I think part of that is how we’re educated. We’re constantly told all cultures are equal, and every belief system is as good as the next. And generally that America was to be known for its flaws rather than its virtues. When you think about what Americans accomplished, building these amazing cities, and all the good its done in the world, it’s kind of disheartening to hear so much hatred of America, not just from abroad, but internally.

NPR: A lot of people would say what America has done abroad has led to the doubts and even the hatred of its own citizens.

FM: Well, okay, then let’s finally talk about the enemy. For some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we’re up against, and the sixth century barbarism that they actually represent. These people saw people’s heads off. They enslave women, they genitally mutilate their daughters, they do not behave by any cultural norms that are sensible to us. I’m speaking into a microphone that never could have been a product of their culture, and I’m living in a city where three thousand of my neighbors were killed by thieves of airplanes they never could have built.

NPR: As you look at people around you, though, why do you think they’re so, as you would put it, self-absorbed, even whiny?

FM: Well, I’d say it’s for the same reason the Athenians and Romans were. We’ve got it a little good right now. Where I would fault President Bush the most, was that in the wake of 9/11, he motivated our military, but he didn’t call the nation into a state of war. He didn’t explain that this would take a communal effort against a common foe. So we’ve been kind of fighting a war on the side, and sitting off like a bunch of Romans complaining about it. Also, I think that George Bush has an uncanny knack of being someone people hate. I thought Clinton inspired more hatred than any President I had ever seen, but I’ve never seen anything like Bush-hatred. It’s completely mad.

NPR: And as you talk to people in the streets, the people you meet at work, socially, how do you explain this to them?

FM: Mainly in historical terms, mainly saying that the country that fought Okinawa and Iwo Jima is now spilling precious blood, but so little by comparison, it’s almost ridiculous. And the stakes are as high as they were then. Mostly I hear people say, ‘Why did we attack Iraq?’ for instance. Well, we’re taking on an idea. Nobody questions why after Pearl Harbor we attacked Nazi Germany. It was because we were taking on a form of global fascism, we’re doing the same thing now.

NPR: Well, they did declare war on us, but…

FM: Well, so did Iraq.

Iraq declared war on the United States? Not only are Frank Miller’s words filled with incredible absurdity and ignorance, they’re also plagued by disgusting prejudice that should raise questions about his underlying messages in “300” and other recent works of his. One of the things I found really disturbing in Miller’s interview was how he suggested that “teaching all cultures are equal” and “every belief system is as good as the next” is a bad thing! What is he implicating here? Are we to teach that certain cultures and belief systems are better than others?

In his next response, he essentially calls Islam “sixth century barbarism,” and then lumps the entire Muslim world into one stereotype. Then he says “I’m speaking into a microphone that never could have been a product of their culture, and I’m living in a city where three thousand of my neighbors were killed by thieves of airplanes they never could have built.” Perhaps someone should educate Mr. Miller that the Islamic empires preserved the beloved Greek philosophical texts by Plato, Socrates, Pythagoras, Ptolemy, Aristotle, and many others. He should also be informed that algebra was invented by a Persian Muslim, Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi. The word English word for “algorithm” actually comes from “Al-Khwarizmi” and the significance of algorithms in computers, programming, engineering, and software design is immensely critical. As stated by Michael H. Morgan, author of “Lost History: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Scientists, Thinkers, and Artists,” Al-Khwarizmi’s new ways of calculating “enable the building of a 100 story towers and mile-long buildings, calculating the point at which a space probe will intersect with the orbits of one of Jupiter’s moons, the reactions of nuclear physics… intelligence of software, and the confidentiality of a mobile phone conversation.” Ironically, the Western achievements that Frank Miller boasts about could not have been possible without the collaboration of civilizations.

Conclusion

As I have written many times in my previous essays, racism is most dangerous when it has been made more acceptable in society. When the Nazis dehumanized the Jews, they did so in cartoons and propaganda films so that the rest of the country didn’t feel sorry about killing them. When early American cartoons and cinema depicted African-Americans, they drew them with ugly features and had White actors wear blackface makeup, respectively. At the time, these obviously racist acts were acceptable. In modern times, when the insulting Danish cartoons of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, were released, many non-Muslims were too shocked at the Muslim world’s reaction than actually taking the time to realize that the cartoons were drawn out of hate and sheer Islamophobia. Rather than seeing the cartoons as racist or prejudice, many defended it as “freedom of expression.” The manner in which certain people in the Muslim world reacted to the Danish cartoons is another subject altogether, but it’s worth mentioning that their response represents a sensitivity that the West has made very little efforts to understand. For Islamophobes, demonizing the Prophet of Islam wouldn’t be such a bad idea since dehumanizing the enemy is an essential process of war. Vilifying the “Other” makes racial slurs acceptable – slurs like “rag heads,” “camel jockeys,” “towel heads,” “dune coons” among much worse things.

Although the Persians in “300” are not Muslim (the movie takes place in the Pre-Islamic and Pre-Christian era), the visualization of Persians are identical to the stereotypical images we see of Muslims in other media representations. Demonizing the Persians during a time when Middle-Easterners and Muslims are already being vilified simply makes dehumanization of the “Other” acceptable and more recognizable. I remember having one odd conversation with a young man who started his argument by saying, “Xerxes and his Muslim army were a bunch of tyrants.” I stopped him immediately and told him that his ignorant comments are precisely the reason why I raise awareness and accuse “300” of being a propaganda film. Xerxes and his Persian army were not Muslim, yet I saw many people correlating the film with present-day tensions between the United States and Iran. Joseph Shahadi recently informed me, the right-wing party of Italy even uses images of “300” in their campaign posters! It’s sad how many don’t seem to realize that dehumanization of certain groups has dangerous consequences; after all, before the Holocaust, Jews were dehumanized.

“300” may look like a visual breakthrough in cinema “art”, but that doesn’t make up for its blood-spattering jingoism or its racist content. Counter-arguments in the film’s defense are often weak with excuses like, “it’s just a movie,” or “it’s based on a comic book” or “it’s simply meant to entertain.” The counter-arguments are short and weak because the film is unapologetic and doesn’t contain anything sympathetic or appreciative about Persians, their culture, and their history. It would benefit Frank Miller and Zack Snyder if they saw Ridley Scott’s brilliant film, “Kingdom of Heaven,” which explores the complexity of war and celebrates dialogue between great civilizations. Such films are beneficiary to society because they convey much-needed messages of coexistence, respect, and understanding that reach wide audiences.

On a personal note, it is discouraging that so many people, including academics, doctors, and scholars, are either not bothered or don’t see the racism in “300.” And every once in a while, another one of my friends will do the Spartan “Ha-oooh!” chant around me and not realize how offensive it is. The fact that so many people cite the movie and enjoy watching it provides enough support for the cognitive social learning theory, where people find the Spartan characters likable and admirable. It is likely that this may be the reason why so many are defensive of the film – simply because they like the movie so much. But we, as a progressive society, need to be bold enough to stamp our foot down and say we will not tolerate racism, just like we would never tolerate watching or promoting films that glorify the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. As Dana Stevens writes, “If “300” had been made in Germany in the mid-1930s, it would be studied today alongside “The Eternal Jew” as a textbook example of how race-baiting fantasy and nationalist myth can serve as an incitement to total war.”

My personal hope is that people will appreciate this analysis and realize the immense impact media has on shaping our thoughts, perspectives, and views of each other. I would also hope that people are inspired to study ancient Persian history and learn about the countless contributions of the Persians, who were among the greatest philosophers, thinkers, poets, artists, physicians, mathematicians, astronomers, and innovators in the history of the world – before and after the Islamic era. I must point out that almost 90% of the paintings I post on my blog are Persian paintings (compare them with Frank Miller’s horrific depiction of Persians in “300″ and you will understand how upset and offended one can be).

The Arab, Iranian, and/or Muslim communities need to make their mark in the film industry and I cannot stress that enough. The release of “300” angered, but also frustrated me because I felt like I could not respond with a film about Persians due to my low-budget. It is a personal dream of mine to make a “Cyrus the Great” film someday, and I’m sure many of us have dreams of certain films we’d like to see about our communities, but they cannot remain dreams. They must be manifested and brought to life, and only through perseverance, sheer dedication, and passion can we achieve our dreams. As evident in “300,” there are people making a living out of vilifying our cultures, histories, and religions while many of us stand by and watch the propaganda machine do its dirty work. I understand that not all of us are aspiring filmmakers, but to those of you who are: the longer we remain the silent, the less people will know about our beautiful stories.

I believe very firmly that Truth prevails in the end and I have faith that the new generation of progressive-thinkers, Middle-Easterners, South Asians, and Muslims alike are on their way in making a profound difference in our world. Someday, the Middle-East and Muslim world will no longer be demonized and feared, but appreciated and respected. The media has the power to turn tables around in such a way.

Someday…

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Comments

  1. Louise wrote:

    Oh lord!!!! people fell for the crap DUBYA put out there about Iraq!!! (rolls eyes shudders)

  2. kakodaimon wrote:

    THANK YOU. It continues to amaze me how people will just turn a blind eye to all the insane racism and homophobia in this movie (and at the same time maintain that they would be sooo above historically famous similar propaganda techniques). Seriously, the more written about this, the better. It troubles me that the same guy is doing the Watchmen movie.

  3. atlasien wrote:

    I can agree with pretty much every single critique you make in this piece… but I don’t think the movie is indefensible.

    I could make many of the same critiques about Lord of the Rings. All the bad guys are dark, all the bad guys come from the Evil East or the Sinister South, and so on.

    I’m not saying that to be dismissive. I do, in fact, think the the Lord of the Rings series, both book and movie, are deeply racist. But I still enjoy them, as an Evil Easterner. I also enjoy H.P. Lovecraft stories, which are practically incomprehensible without the aspect of racial panic and pathological loathing of miscegenation.

    It’s possible to take all the really problematic aspects of 300 into account but enjoy it on other levels. For example, this popular Youtube video subverts the nasty homoerotic-homophobic dynamic of the movie and turns it into healthier just-plain-homoerotic.

    Again, I don’t want to be dismissive. Considering the virulence of islamophobia in today’s America, it’s racism is definitely more pernicious than most cultural/artistic products. I agree with that. But 300 is in a long line of movies that are inextricably woven with racism (like Birth of a Nation)… and I don’t think it can be reduced to racism alone. It’s neither “just a movie” (I agree that’s a lame excuse) nor “just racist”. It’s a complex mix of both.

    I also think Kingdom of Heaven is an example of a movie that had a great message, but was deadly boring in execution.

  4. Notebook wrote:

    Wow. Really good and enlightening read.

    I never seen “300″ but I was always a bit wary of its imagery, especially since it’s by Frank Miller, creator of the Goddamn Batman and other such creative liberties like the Joker having female Neo Nazi henchmen with swastikas taped across their breasts. No, I’m not making that up sadly.

  5. Jess wrote:

    As a longtime reader of Frank Miller, I’d say the man has gone from mildly-conservative take to completely batshit crazy in the last few years.

    The Dark Knight Returns was very much a product of the 80s, and while it’s take on crime is sort of classic right-wing stuff, I thought it treated other parts of the story well and in more balanced fashion (I am thinking of the conflict between Batman and the government/Superman later in the book). The Daredevil story arc he wrote betrays a bit of an Opus Dei streak, but it’s take on Hell’s Kitchen could be construed as pretty progressive in its way. Batman Year One was also.

    But then we get to 300. I called it homoerotic art for right-wing nuts. I have to say I can watch it, and it’s kind of cool, but I find myself thinking about the very same things Mr Dar does.

    I do think there is a strong sublimated gay thing going on there, tho. The Spartan men are handsome, chiseled, and look more like the covers of gay porn mags than many might care to admit. At the same time, Xerxes is effete, and we have to see Leonidas with the wife to underscore that he’s a man.

    Oh yeah, the disregard for law and such — priceless. And the “liberty” speech at the end.

    Y’know, I saw a lot of interesting parallels with that and the DeMille version of The Ten Commandments. They have, at the end of the film, a similar-sounding coda. (The difference being that Yul Brynner steals the whole movie. I love watching it for him alone).

    Miller is a comic book artist. That’s a group that seems to produce a lot of right-wing nuts. See Steve Ditko as exhibit A.

  6. CVT wrote:

    I admit it – I saw “300.” And it made me REALLY uncomfortable. Because it basically plays out as a white supremacy movie – a bunch of white guys with chiseled abs kill MILLIONS of people of color; and that’s a good thing, in the movie.

    I don’t know if it specifically read as against Middle Easterners. Because, although that’s the history of it (since it’s “Persia”), I thought they did a pretty good job of lumping all people of color in as the enemy (there are faux-ninjas, black “Africans”, as well as the turbaned “Persians”). And, of course, with the enemies are all the disfigured monsters, etc.

    So it’s more just “White is Superior” to me – over ALL other races – and not just Islamophobic. I think Frank Miller is just equal-opportunity racist in this particular portrayal – and I don’t think any thorough, psychological analysis is necessary to see that.

  7. Fiqah wrote:

    (Apologies to all for my conflating Persian Empire with later Arab/Turkish history – for the sake of a consistent parallel in my counterpoints, I’m not distinguishing b/c Mr. Miller does not, saying essentially that Persian=Arab=Muslim=terrorist.)

    Let’s address this line of bullsheist:

    FM: Well, okay, then let’s finally talk about the enemy. For some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we’re up against, and the sixth century barbarism that they actually represent. These people saw people’s heads off. They enslave women, they genitally mutilate their daughters, they do not behave by any cultural norms that are sensible to us. I’m speaking into a microphone that never could have been a product of their culture, and I’m living in a city where three thousand of my neighbors were killed by thieves of airplanes they never could have built.

    Once again, there is too much there for me to unpackage on an empty stomach. However, I have taken to reading the posts here on an empty stomach because I am tired of encountering sentiments like the one above, and throwing up in my mouth.
    Cultures that could never have produced a microphone (sweet Jayzus, the arrogance, the Western chauvinism, the IGNORANCE of 8th grade-level world history!) managed to produce brilliant, complex statecrafting, indisputably effective militaries and centers of learning that carefully-preserved Greek (!) and Roman philosophy, math, and art. Not to mention the cultural fusion that occurred between the ancient Persian Empire and the empires it interracted (through conquest or mere trade) with. God, I wonder if Miller was having a cup of coffee during this interview? The historical import of Arab culture on (now pedestrian) coffee alone could have taken up a whole hour.

    SIGH. It’s times like this that I really, really miss Edward Said.

  8. CVT wrote:

    @atlasien -
    I definitely agree with you here. As a long-time sci-fi fan, it’s impossible to ignore the embedded racism in the majority of science fiction/fantasy movies and books: where the “Light” is white, and the “Dark” – anything other than white.

  9. AintIAWoman wrote:

    WOW is this extensive, well done. I have never seen 300 (and do not want to), and I really didn’t know the extent to which it was racist. I have no doubts about Islamophobia or Orientalism persisting but even I was a little shocked by what you’ve unearthed. And once again, women are flat stereotype characters used by the movie as tools to further this whole ‘real masculinity’ notion and racism.

    Frank Miller’s comments are disgusting. Not to mention so very wrong. The Iraq comment is just painfully obviously incorrect. The comments about achievements in math/science, etc are so so wrong but the sad thing is, most people don’t have any real idea of what Arab/Persian societies achieved– we aren’t taught about it. When I finally learned the truth I remember being a little shocked that I had thought everything was created by the West /Greek societies. What a disservice to the world to completely erase contributions of an entire culture simply because we are being educated in the West? It was a huge WTF moment for me.

    @Fiqah– YES, Edward Said!

  10. B wrote:

    Have not seen or read 300 (although I’m no stranger to Frank Miller’s other work), but this post brings up two questions I often struggle with.

    1) Is it possible to separate the artist from the art and enjoy the latter without praising/approving of the former? I often say yes, because I love the Ender’s Game series, but I really, really have to pretend Orson Scott Card isn’t a complete asshole to do it.

    2) Is it possible to both criticize art and enjoy it at the same time? What do you do with that when you enjoy a movie and yet know that it’s sexist or racist or homophobic? Is it better to be honest about the ‘ism while still considering the art enjoyable, or is it better to simply disown the art?

    I’d be interested to hear what conclusions other people have arrived at if they’ve struggled with this, too, since it’s often on my mind.

  11. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Awesome analysis, Jehanzeb. Full of facts and bolstered by references–the kind of analysis I like!

    Don’t forget that the 30-odd years of movies vilifying Arabs and Muslims as terrorists were preceded by 50-odd years of Westerns vilifying Indians as savages (i.e., proto-terrorists). There are enough parallels between “300″ and Westerns that one could say Miller was reimagining the “cowboys vs. Indians” theme in another context.

  12. Lxy wrote:

    A good analysis of the cultural politics behind _300_ is Touraj Daryaee’s “Go tell the Spartans: How ‘300′ misrepresents Persians in history”:

    http://www.iranian.com/Daryaee/2007/March/300/index.html

    And, as noted, the anti-Persian sensibility of _300_ implicitly reflects real world American geopolitical agendas–namely, the fraudulent US War on Terrorism and threats against Iran.

    This is not quite coincidental. Far from being merely a place of innocent tinseltown dreams, Hollywood is institutionally connected to the US corporate-military system in subtle and not so subtle ways–and as such expresses its broader worldview.

    One could say that Hollywood is the dream (or nightmare) factory of the American Empire.

    The Golden Age of the Military-Entertainment Complex
    http://aep.typepad.com/american_empire_project/2008/03/the-golden-age.html

  13. Logan wrote:

    I would assume among my friends (and I haven’t spoke to them about this, the die-hard 300ers), that in regards to race, that so many of the characters from the Persian army are such, literal, sideshow freaks (the 9 foot guy actually played a Sideshow freak in the WWF/E during 97/98, known then as Kurrgan) that it is hard to take the characterizations seriously as a representation of the Persian army or people. Factoring that it is also from around 2000 years ago give or take, it would be an incredibly stupid stretch to associate the characters in 300 to people in the Arabic world today. The people who would do that (such as the ones quoted in the example), I believe are so far beyond help that if 300 was not made they would still be gung-ho on Middle Easterners = Terrorists ideas and support a nuke the region into glass idea.

    For me, I viewed the characterizations as more of an element of history is written by the winners. This was a story told by the Spartans, where the enemy was so overly exaggerated to further boost future Spartan pride. Judging by the characters and their personalities, exaggerating size or demonic presence or how the women were lesbians and deformed and the entire battle, I would equate it to the telling of war stories where the details with each telling get more and more extravagant with each telling. I find myself able to deal with the racial stereotypes because I feel I can look at it and say this stuff is such bullshit wrote by the winners that I can’t take it seriously (tracing back to my first paragraph, though I probably analyze it a little more than my friends), that it does not bug me.

    The reason I see it as enjoyable is much more because of all the ideas that were pushed, namely, what it is to be a man. Real men kill tigers with their bare hands, real men are cut beyond a point 99.9% of men could reach without steroids (and I’d bet my life savings, admittedly only $3000, that every single one of the 300 could not pass a drug test for steroids; Congress needs to look at the movie making industry about roids instead of baseball, but I digress), real men commit copious amounts of bloodshed and violence, and pretty much takes every stereotype on what it is to be a man and turns it up to 12.

    That, to me, is the more damaging part about the film. The concepts of manliness are coming from people that many teens/college students are going to relate to, are going to emulate, are going to use as, to a small degree, role models. The look of the Persians, while based in racial bigotry (which Frank Miller clearly is), I feel due to reasons already outlined, will not have much of an effect on those with multiple brain cells. The look and fucking coolness of the Spartans, however, feeds into pretty much every desire as a man, puts these men on pedastals (and with the comment on Athenian boy lovers, also perpetuates homosexuality or physical deformatives as evil and to be shuned and looked down upon), and places much more of an emphasis on what people need to do if they want to be cool. That is going to have a much, much more significant impact upon the psyche of men and women.

    Personally, I found the movie enjoyable. I was able to distance myself from the many flaws and turn my brain off to watch the fight scenes, to appreciate the “cool” scenes of the movie, and when it was done, I thought knowing what it was going in, it was a good movie, and moved on, and didn’t become as obsessed as many of my friends were with being like Spartans or idolizing them.

  14. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @atlasien–gosh, I feel like I’m going against my shero (and you are my blogging shero, atlasien!), but I find myself really digging what Jehanzeb is saying about 300. Being a Black woman with an up-South upbringing, I personally find it very hard to hear film critics carrying on and on about how great Birth of a Nation is without dealing with the salient–some would call it obvious–fact that it was a flick justifying the KKK. The “great” visuals and techniques were used in the service of this ugly message. (I think Roger Ebert broke ranks with that prevailing idea.) I have the same reaction to people rapturously carrying on and on about Gone with the Wind. I can’t defend either film–I can barely get the words out about how utterly racist I feel both flicks are to me.

    For Jehanzeb, 300 is to him what Birth of a Nation and Gone with the Wind are to me. And, for him, it’s simply indefensible.

  15. Eva wrote:

    I think this is a very interesting article. I saw “300″ on cable a few months ago and I did notice that, yes the good guys were once again white and the bad guys were dark. Same old same old.

    What’s important is that, just as it’s said about music videos and what’s acceptable for women in them, images get shown over and over again until people assume it’s the norm.

    “In other words, a person may learn particular behaviors and knowledge through observing the images displayed on television.”

    Very true. I don’t think this, or the movie would affect people my age (late forties) but it might affect how young people see the world. Do they see movies like “300″ and just assume certain things about history and life itself? It’s important to explain things to children, the way my mother explained them to me about TV: That most everything on TV was b.s. and was just trying to sell you something. I still believe that today.

  16. Jess wrote:

    @B–

    I approach it this way: what if I knew nothing about the artist?

    That is, I have seen a lot of art I liked. Take the Dutch masters’ paintings.

    Love ‘em. They’re really fascinating. Yet the guys who painted it were sexist and racist, if you asked. Does that make the art less good? I can’t suddenly say to myself “this sucks” because of it.

    I think with contemporary art it’s a little dicier because we are all closer to the artists in time and space. I mean, I like some of Ezra Pound, and just ignore that he was a fascist. It doesn’t mean I can’t critique his poetry or even find some fascist elements in it, but I can’t make myself not like it if I read it initially and did.

    The Lord of the Rings stories could be read as deeply racist in many ways — yet I always felt they stand quite well as stories, and are still damned good.

    Tolkein is also sort of interesting here, as he quite publicly denounced the treatment of black African in South Africa and even objected to the term “nordic” as a descriptor for the Rings books, as it too-closely reminded him of German race theory. He also was quite public in his opposition to said theories.

    At the same time he was a conservative, and supported Franco because he saw him as a defender of his Catholic faith. People are complicated that way. Tolkein — at least if you believe his letters — was rather progressive in his day in some areas, not so much in others. Which do you choose to judge him on? He was a product of late 19th century and early 20th century England, after all. I don’t think you could expect a ‘modern’ attitude from his books any more than you would from Dickens.

    Doesn’t mean that people who followed Tolkein, by the way, didn’t fall into the trap of unconscious racism. LeGuin and Moorcock in particular have critiqued the elements of high fantasy that hew too closely to Tolkein’s formulae and end up being rather racist or sexist in the process.

    So it isn’t as simple as ’separating’ the artist from the work.

    And as I said about Frank Miller, artists (and people) aren’t the same through their whole lives.

    Take Orson Scott Card. I actually interviewed him way back in 1992, when he wrote Lost Boys. At the time he struck me as a humanist as much as anything else, despite his being a Mormon. (I really wish I had kept the tape).

    Reading Pastwatch you get the sense he thinks about these things, and the humanism comes out (though he has the weirdest ideas about sex sometimes – when his characters talk about relationships he has a tin ear).

    But then– oh wow. There’s a whole discussion of the Ender Books and the Call of Earth one could get into.

    Pastwatch was written in 1996, sometime after the first two Ender books and around the time he was getting through the later Call of Earth stuff.

    The Alvin Maker stories were begun in the late 80s. Again, he shows a humanistic streak at the start.

    But as time went on his stuff became more dogmatic, until you get to his last book, Empire, which reads like he was taken over by Bill O’Reilly in some kind of mind-meld.

    So do you judge his work on where he was in his life at the time, or what he is like now? He has obviously changed over time.

    Lots of people — lots of artists — started out as liberal and became right-wing. Or vice-versa (though that seems to be rarer). How do you judge their work? How much do you chalk up to where they are and when? I don’t think it is at all fair — or logical — to judge a 19th century man by 20th century standards, though comparisons are useful. Nor do I think it fair to judge all of an artists’ work without considering where he or she was in life. You are a very different person at 20, 30 and 40.

    The important thing — for me anyway — is to avoid false dichotomies. It is simplistic to try and divorce art from its creator completely, and it is simplistic to judge art solely on whether the artist holds beliefs you might consider abhorrent.

    I mean, many posters here create art, and their views are quite abhorrent to some people, (like, accepting gay people). Does that make their art bad if it is judged by people in, say, Oklahoma by a conservative gallery but good if it’s in an NYC art gallery? And what’s the difference? That your view is “better”? And who decided that?

    This isn’t an argument for absolute moral relativism, by the way — just to point out why the question you ask is rather complicated.

  17. rob wrote:

    I dont know. In films you have to ahve a goodie and a baddie. Isnt 300 meant to be based of a greek legend of some spartan killing loads of people way back before christians, let alone muslims?

    I can see how it must be frustrating never to see ‘your’ side doing the winning even if the film is otherwise excellent.

    I really think there would be a huge market for hollywood style films from alternative viewpoints. I could imagine a western film but seen through the eyes of some indians rather than the cowboys. The adventures of some warriors or something. Of course it cant really have a happy ending as we know how the history goes. But it would be refreshing to see a different type of film. It all seems very formulaic in hollywood.

  18. atlasien wrote:

    @CVT: yes, the light versus dark is so common… the geographic racism is just as pervasive. Take a look at any map in the front of a fantasy book. Notice where the primitive guys and the bad guys live, and where the good and civilized guys live.

    @B: I believe it’s possible to criticize art and enjoy it at the same time, absolutely. To give an example — maybe not a good one — I considered going to see Memoirs of a Geisha because I heard the use of traditional fabrics was great, even though the movie represents everything I despise. I ended up not seeing it because I thought I would be too insulted to enjoy any of the ancillary aspects.

    I did see Apocalypto, because I wanted to see recreations of Mesoamerican jewelry… which were pretty awesome. But the movie as a whole was really insulting to indigenous people. I definitely felt guilty, because if I was indigenous, I would probably have made the same decision as I did for Memoirs of a Geisha and skipped it.

    So I can enjoy SOME stuff that’s obviously racist, but I have to take it on a case by case basis, and I wouldn’t condemn anyone who said “I refuse to see X because it’s so racist it hurts” because I’ve also been in their shoes.

    I don’t have any problem in enjoying stuff produced by known racists or otherwise horrible people. Especially when they’re already dead. When they’re alive, and when enjoying their works means contributing to their financial income, then it gets a bit trickier.

  19. atlasien wrote:

    @The Cruel Secretary: Wow, thanks!

    I’m not really disagreeing with Jehanzeb… I just think 300 is conditionally pernicious, not unconditionally pernicious. I didn’t see the movie itself in theaters because I didn’t want to contribute to its popularity or box office receipts and because it looked really stupid. It was probably about 50/50 either way. If it was a movie with a particular kind of racism that disturbed me even more deeply, it would be more like 100/0… no matter what the artistic quality, I couldn’t stand to see it.

  20. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    We could have a field day ripping Miller’s stupidity to shreds, and I hope some readers will do so. I’d just like to address Miller’s claim about why the US “declared war on Germany.” From what I gathered from a quick search, Miller is 100% wrong about this. He’s either incredibly ignorant or a bald-faced liar–maybe both.

    Here are the facts about the aftermath of Pearl Harbor:

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Dip/DecWar-G.html

    http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/us_war.htm

    In Berlin on December 8, 1941, Adolf Hitler was elated. “We have ally that has not been defeated in 1500 years!” he told Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels. On December 11, 1941, Hitler gave a speech to the Reichstag. Confused and rambling, he compared his own childhood of poverty to that of the wealthy Roosevelt. He declared war on the United States.

    In doing so, he ensured his own destruction. UK Prime Minster Winston Churchill, when he heard of Pearl Harbor, remarked, “so we have won after all!” The American public would have been quite content with dealing with Japan and leaving the European War to the Europeans. The treachery of the Japanese attack burned bright in the minds of most Americans, and they wanted revenge. If not for the declaration of war by Germany, Roosevelt would have had a hard time justifying declaring war on Germany until Japan was destroyed. But Germany did declare war, and the U-boats moved the Eastern seaboard in January 1942.

    P.S. I suppose Iraq “declared war on the US” with its “vast stockpile of WMDs”? Thanks for filling us in, Miller.

  21. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    We could have a field day ripping Miller’s stupidity to shreds, and I hope some readers will do so. I’d just like to address Miller’s claim about why the US “declared war on Germany.” From what I gathered from a quick search, Miller is 100% wrong about this. He’s either incredibly ignorant or a bald-faced liar–maybe both.

    Here are the facts about the aftermath of Pearl Harbor:

    http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/us_war.htm

    In Berlin on December 8, 1941, Adolf Hitler was elated. “We have ally that has not been defeated in 1500 years!” he told Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels. On December 11, 1941, Hitler gave a speech to the Reichstag. Confused and rambling, he compared his own childhood of poverty to that of the wealthy Roosevelt. He declared war on the United States.

    In doing so, he ensured his own destruction. UK Prime Minster Winston Churchill, when he heard of Pearl Harbor, remarked, “so we have won after all!” The American public would have been quite content with dealing with Japan and leaving the European War to the Europeans. The treachery of the Japanese attack burned bright in the minds of most Americans, and they wanted revenge. If not for the declaration of war by Germany, Roosevelt would have had a hard time justifying declaring war on Germany until Japan was destroyed. But Germany did declare war, and the U-boats moved the Eastern seaboard in January 1942.

    P.S. I suppose Iraq “declared war on the US” with its “vast stockpile of WMDs”? Thanks for filling us in, Miller.

  22. Persia wrote:

    I started watching 300 one night in the same way I watch many bad movies– for the laughs. I couldn’t do it. It was too nasty and unpleasant. I was a bit shocked that much racism got through in a mainstream movie, though (I’m used to homophobia, alas).

    B– to derail the central thesis a little, I have this conflict too. Helpfully, or perhaps not so helpfully, creators who suffer from this– see Frank Miller, Orson Scott Card, Dave Sim– tend to get worse and their art suffers accordingly.

  23. Oli wrote:

    Star Wars is another obvious example of ‘the dark side’ being bad, versus the good side which is light, white…

  24. atlasien wrote:

    And when it comes to Birth of a Nation… it’s always going to be an important part of film history that needs to be studied for its techniques. But I agree it’s not made problematic enough.

    Triumph of the Will is also important for technique while ideologically loathesome, and its ideology is discussed in connection with its technique… that is, is there something inextricably fascist about its style?

    Birth of a Nation is even more ideologically corrupt. It doesn’t just celebrate the bodies of the supermen (a la Triumph) it celebrates brutal violence against black people. But I think its style and technique tends to be discussed in isolation from its theme (i.e. “this is a landmark movie. Oh and it’s racist too, but we won’t talk about that”) .

  25. Daniel Jiménez wrote:

    AintIawoman said: “but the sad thing is, most people don’t have any real idea of what Arab/Persian societies achieved– we aren’t taught about it. When I finally learned the truth I remember being a little shocked that I had thought everything was created by the West /Greek societies. What a disservice to the world to completely erase contributions of an entire culture simply because we are being educated in the West? It was a huge WTF moment for me.”

    Exactly. This is what we get when humanities are disregarded as “useless” compared with other “practical subjects” such as math and sciences. The teaching of history could be the best tool to fight intolerance and prejudice. The book “Germs, Guns and Steel” is good example.

    Nevertheless, when I read something about the future of the school system, the words “math” and “science” are everywhere in the text, but the word “history” is nowhere to be found.

    The movie 300 is a powerful influence only because people are ignorant about History. Otherwise, they would regard this movie for what it is: a very personal and racist vision of what really happened at the Thermopylae.

  26. Thea Lim wrote:

    Happy to read this critique! Never saw the movie b/c had suspicions of its virulent misogyny/racism.

    @atlasien
    A very harsh (deserved I think) criticism of Apocalypto here: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/2445

    @ Daniel Jimenez
    Guns, Germs and Steel has actually been criticised for being Eurocentric: http://www.amazon.com/Eight-Eurocentric-Historians-J-M-Blaut/dp/1572305916/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235753829&sr=8-1

    Reminded me a bit of how Conrad’s Heart of Darkness was lauded as “anti-colonial” until Chinua Achebe came along and blew that out of the water.

  27. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ atlasien & CVT
    These are the things I struggle with as a serious sci fi and comics fan.

    The world of comics is so rife with racism, conservatism, social Darwinism, soft eugenics – it’s basically like a meet-up for really mad libertarians.*

    I’ve been to most of Frank Miller’s Comic-Con appearances over the last decade and he has, indeed, become even more of a surly crypto-facist protectionist over the years.

    As for the film 300, I walked out of the theater shocked that I’d just watched what read as a pro-insurgency, pro-underdog vs. big military machine movie in the middle of our Iraqi occupation. The fact of the Manichean match-up wasn’t lost on me – I want to make that very clear – but it wasn’t my first reading.

    @ kakodaimon
    The Cantankerous Alan Moore created wrote much problematic chicanery into The Watchmen. I don’t think there’s much Snyder can add to make it any worse.

    @rob
    Re: the question in your first paragraph – how this relates to the topic at hand is addressed in the article.

    * One of my favorite comics ‘creators’ is both a libertarian and a friend so I don’t intend to malign all libertarians or the work they produce. But some are ideological asshats.

  28. Invasian wrote:

    Yuck, I hate “300.” Saw it in theaters because it was the movie of the moment, then it went on to make loads of money.
    The racism of the movie was pretty disgusting, plus it was just a big, fat, testosterone-fueled bore. Yay for the good white Westerners defeating those evil, monstrous Easterners.
    Of course nobody mentioned this, because, like they said, “It’s just a movie,” or anything like that. Blah blah blah.
    I do agree that you can like a movie while at the same time critique its faults. “Lord of the Rings” is a good example, because while it’s obvious the East is the villain, there’s enough in the 9+ hour epic to entertain us, and it has nothing to do with East vs. West.
    I don’t think in the West, too many people are going to get worked up about negative portrayals of the East, the so-called “other.” Maybe I’m just being too cynical and pessimistic.

  29. Genevieve wrote:

    Having (tried to) read “300″, I can also say that readers did write in about the race issues, but Frank Miller brushed them off, largely by (deliberately?) missing the point. I recall one letter in particular where the reader asked why so many of the villains had “negroid” featurs, and Miller’s response was pretty much, “LOL, what’s wrong with having negroid features you racist?

    I’m glad I didn’t buy the book, but unfortunately my parents really loved the movie (mostly out of an appreciation for violent bloody action). I found myself unable to enjoy the film at all, even at the moments I found some of the art direction impressive. The “us vs. them” mentality was overwhelming, and especially confusing if you know any of the history/culture of Sparta and of the Persian empire. I shouldn’t have been shocked, but I was. I do admit I enjoyed “Meet the Spartans” because of my horrified disgust over “300″.

    Not to mention all the sexism. I thought “Sin City” was meant to be an R-rated subversion/satire of noir films, but no… apparently ol’ Frank actually thinks like that.

  30. somedude wrote:

    I think Frank Miller should watch BBC’s brilliant series Science and Islam. It would educate him a lot.

    I haven’t seen the movie, just seen a lot of the internet memes, but I guessed that it was a very stupid film from the trailer.

  31. Restructure! wrote:

    Great analysis. When I watched the movie, it quickly got to the point where I started watching it as a parody of right-wing worldviews. I thought to myself, “Wow,” so many times throughout the movie. I could not help but to watch it as absurdist humour.

    When Leonidas yells “This. Is. Spartaaaaa!” and kicks the black man down the well, he is literally killing the messenger.

    The movie pretty much proves that all oppressions are interlinked – it’s racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, etc.

  32. Winn wrote:

    What a great article. I have to admit, somewhat shamefacedly, that I loved 300 on first viewing, primarily for the superficial eye-candy of Gerard Butler, Michael Fassbender, etc., and even more for the action scenes, art direction, and violence, which I admit having a not-so-secret jones for. However, the racist, sexist jingoism of the film was also immediately apparent, and my friends and I discussed the problematic themes and imagery after seeing the film.

    I’m with atlasien here; I think it is possible to be very aware of and bothered by the racism and imperialism inherent in certain films and still appreciate them on other levels. Everyone has their own personal threshold of what is “indefensible” for them, but if we consigned films to the dustheap for being rife with racism, misogyny, social Darwinism, imperialism or other ugly ideas, many of our “classic” films that informed and enhanced the art and craft of filmmaking would be gone. I’m not putting 300 in that category, but I am saying that we should critique these films, open up discussion about their problematic themes and imagery, refuse to support them financially, but also make sure we allow people to make their own decisions about the art that they both create and patronize. Sometimes the criticism and discussion actually even reaches the creators. While I’m not sure it is ultimately successful in its mission, DW Griffith made “Intolerance”, which examines bigotry and persecution throughout history, in response to the overwhelming criticism of the rampant racism of “The Birth of a Nation”.

    As for the interview with Frank Miller…damn. I didn’t know much about Miller personally, although I was familiar with his work. But there is almost too much inaccuracy, ugliness, stupidity, ignorance and cultural arrogance in that interview to even parse it. Talk about needing to make strong distinctions between the artist and their work. I agree with Persia: those who suffer from general asshattery which migrates to complete cuckoo nutsiness usually find their work deteriorating along with their faculties. Even mainstream artists can suffer from this (I’m looking at you, the late Michael Crichton!).

  33. Winn wrote:

    Oh, just wanted to add that Alan Moore, who himself has bathed in the Styx of troubling imagery with “V for Vendetta” and “Watchmen”, among others things, even drew the line at 300. In an interview in Entertainment Weekly, Moore said he was not interested in knowing what director Zack Snyder was doing with the film adaptation of “Watchmen” because Snyder was the person who made 300. Moore referred to the 300 graphic novel as “racist, homophobic, and sublimely stupid” and felt that the film had to have elevated those elements rather than reduced them. Although I still like the film (and am excited about seeing “Watchmen” despite Snyder’s involvement), Moore’s words, particularly as a fellow comics artist, are certainly food for thought…

  34. napthia9 wrote:

    Thanks for this. I remember reading reviews of 300 here when it came out. I live on a college campus, and 300 is one of the movies that people enjoy watching in the lounges, because the over-the-top aspects make it easy to talk over. (Most of the people I’ve seen this movie with are capable of giving it a through dressing-down. Classics majors + historical inaccuracy = snark.) However, watching the movie to snark on it is sort of problematic when that’s the only thing a bunch of us white college students are doing. It’s sort of like the same thing that’s going on with “ironic” racism- eg, “we know better, so we can enjoy this without also being obligated to find & support less bigoted things.”

    Damn, someone else mentioned Luminosity’s Vogue/300 vid! Uhh, oh well. I think stuff like this is an interesting way of critiquing movies and art visually. Even though things like a Cyprus the Great movie couldn’t really be made this way, using vids to critique pop culture and reimagine problematic sources is useful. However, it seems to be that while gender analysis gets a lot of play in fandom, racial analysis doesn’t seem to result in that much art/fic/vids. (Or potentially, as I am white, the primarily white fan communities I lurk in do not give racial analysis the same emphasis as they do gender. That gender analysis is much more acceptable seems a function of those same communities being primarily female.)

  35. Jess wrote:

    @A.D. Nix–

    you’ve seen the guy, I haven’t, can you offer any explanations as to why Miller seems to have gone crazy?

    I’m being serious — I thought maybe you’d know something if you’d spoken to him, (or maybe been able to track his utterances on a crazy-crypto-fscist scale of 1 to 10, maybe we could draw a graph :-) )

    Or if there is anyone out there who has had personal contact of any kind with Miller…

    Libertarianism seems to be the first stop for a lot of sci-fi writers and fans. I think it is a legacy of Heinlein.

    Contrast Heinlein with Asimov in terms of politics, and you’ll see what I mean. Maybe it’s also a function of the early pulp publishers, most of whom weren’t the most progressive lot either.

    I mean, it wasn’t until the 1960s and 70s that many writers started looking carefully at the conventions of the genre (leGuin is the best known here, but even Robert Silverberg played with things a bit, as did Norman Spinrad, Joanna Russ, and a lot of short story authors.

    Joe Haldeman is one I like a lot as well — he actually touches on issues of identity quite a bit in his recent books. Later on you get Delaney and Butler, and Kim Stanley Robinson.

    300 though. Maybe Miller is closeted? :-)

  36. Lisa J wrote:

    Great piece. Such a wonderful analysis. I saw the movie on cable one afternoon when I was bored (it never would have passed by $12 test- is this movie worth spending $12 to see or should I wait for it to be on cable, which I spend waaaayyy to much on). I was also curious b/c I’m interested in the ancient world. I was sort of swept away with the special effects etc, but yes, it was pretty over the top.

    It is also funny that they chose Sparta as emblematic of representing “freedom” because Sparta was ANYTHING but free. Beyond the whole thowing out the babies, they had slaves in a way much more comprable to American Slavery because they enslaved an entire people, not just the losers on the wrong side of a war. They called them helots and they were previously neighbors but the Spartans enslaved them, and thought of them as inferior. The Spartan citizens also had very little freedom, especially until the age of 30ish, prior to that the men and women were largely separated, the sons were separated from their mother’s at about 7, when their military training began. They were purposely underfed and were expected to steal to get sufficient nutrition but if they were caught they were severely punished and at about 12 they were left in the woods all alone with nothing and if they survived and made it back then they were citizens. IF they survived their military training and into adulthood, when they married they had to symbolically kidnap their betrothed and “rape” her, and they could not live with their wives until they were older and were expected to sneak out periodically to their wives in the evening and procreate for strong Spartans and to return to the barracks by morning. Now does that sound like lots of freedom? NOpe, there was none, Sparta was an entirely totalitarian state. They had no arts (not during the period depicted in 300 anyway), no freedom of expression and no choice whatsoever with what to do with their lives. So basically, they were the antithesis of Western freedom and democracy so it was a very interesting, possibly ignorant or deliberately racially charged move to make the “good guys’ the Spartans and the more progressive Persians the “baddies”

  37. Phil Deeze wrote:

    Didn’t anyone else find it interesting in “300″ that the Persian army was called an “army of slaves” by the narrator? And of course, those were the people of color.

    Pretty xenophobic, I’d say, with regards to Frank Miller’s storyline, don’t you think?

  38. Elahater wrote:

    PREACH!!

    Thank you for this amazing analysis. I absolutely hate this movie and agree with what you’ve written. As an Iranian-American sitting in a movie theater watching this while abroad (I had no idea what the movie was before I went to see it) I was horrified to see the depiction.

    This movie is a great example of how, out of any group in America today, Middle Easterners are among the top in terms of which group it’s socially-acceptable to just say straight-up racist shit about. It’s obviously because of our world-climate, coupled with our lack of understanding and the lack of visible Middle-Easterners taking a stand against this (comedians, celebrities, activists, etc.). That’s not to say that they’re not out there, but we, as a people, aren’t visible enough in America to stand up for these kinds of things. We need to mobilize as a community and band together with others in combating racism and xenophobia.

    That lack of visibility and the total, utter absence of understanding on WHO Middle Easterners even are, what Islam is, all of that, is what makes movies like this so utterly dangerous. These depictions are dangerous not just because of hate-crimes within our borders, but the way Americans conceptualize Middle Easterners abroad as a mass of sub-human people that are inherently our enemies. That lack of connection to their humanity is what leads to wars.

    This is also why I think Carlos Mencia is one of the most dangerous comedians out there today. Yes, there are many, many ways to criticize him, but the way he portrays Middle Easterners with such contempt is horrifying. And the fact that he really is popular in America scares me. I wrote about this almost a year ago (http://hateonme.com/2008/04/30/11/).

  39. Daniel Jiménez wrote:

    @Thea Lim

    Regarding “Guns Germs and Steel”, its perspective is indeed eurocentric in the sense that it tried to explain why Europe developed differently from other continents.
    Nevertheless, it is definitely a good reading because it explains that this was due to geographical factors and accidents, not because european culture, race, values or ideology were “superior”, which is what most history books seem to imply.

  40. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Thea/Daniel –

    I agree with Daniel. We talked a lot about GGS over here in this thread on the IMF but it’s been a while since I picked it up. My main issue is how far people ran with what Diamond said.

    [[Moderator Aside - Y'all are the weirdest commenters ever. I'm always worried about pieces being too long, but if I do happen to post something that's five pages, you get all excited about the analysis. I am sure the internet overlords are angry at us fucking with the "shorter is better trend.]]

  41. Brandon wrote:

    Birth of a Nation is horrifying… but I sincerely hope no one would make the argument that it should be ignored. It’s important for technical achievements… but possibly even more important to study from an anti-racist perspective. It’s impact was enormous, and deserves study… just not celebration.

    Also, I would say that enjoying films like 300 without thought of the racist implications is another example of white privilege. And… I have to say that I rolled my eyes when I started reading this post. But ultimately I found this to be one of the most thorough and thoughtful posts I have ever read here. I’m convinced: well done.

  42. Sapna wrote:

    Thank you for writing this- it’s disgusting that people still listen to an uniformed bigot like Frank Miller. Hopefully the failure of ‘The Spirit’ means that Hollywood will be less likely to do so.

  43. Persia wrote:

    It’s interesting because the History Channel did one of those ‘tie-in’ documentaries about the 300, and it was so much more balanced and sensible. Still not perfect but not…this.

    Adolf Hitler was elated. “We have ally that has not been defeated in 1500 years!” he told Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels.
    Man, it’s like revisionist history in layers.

  44. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Jess
    I’ve never spoken to him one-on-one but at a panel last year (with Zack Snyder, Judd Apatow and Kevin Smith) he was mumbling, crotchety and short on answers. And he hid behind a hat (but he usually does this I think?) I don’t think he likes the crowds.

    Maybe, like some of his peers in age and predilection, he’s seen the explosion in the popularity of comics and the increasing diversity among both makers and the stories they tell as somewhat alienating? Threatening? he seemed to have a certain amount of hostility to The Kids Today.

  45. Zahra wrote:

    Wow, it’s great to see a post like this after the fact, when the film isn’t in the theatres anymore but is still very much being seen. I love this analysis.

    And those quotes….I knew FM was whack, but….wow. How many errors can you fit into that short a piece? Does anyone else find it creepy that he goes to some lengths to avoid actually naming “the enemy”? The line about “6th-century barbarism” just kills me. Not just because the word “barbarism” makes my skin crawl, but because it’s clearly a coded reference to Islam, and–while only an idiot would look at any religion in the world today and think it hasn’t evolved through its history–the faith was founded in the 600s if you use the Christian calendar (which he clearly does). In other words, the 7th century.

    What a mind.

    I didn’t see this film (for good reason), and it sounds pretty unredeemable to me. But the larger question of whether you can enjoy art that offends you is an interesting one. I think you can–I think, if I coudn’t, there would be nothing for me to watch!–but it’s a very personal call each time.

  46. Jess wrote:

    @ A.D. Nix–

    thanks that helps. Maybe it’s just crotchety-ness, then. I mean. we’re all a little susceptible to that. But day-um, he seems to have gone off the deep end. Like Orson Scott Card.

    By the way, not to go too OT, speaking of science fiction and race/identity issues, there is a very cool story in an old anthology The Fantastic Universe Omnibus, I think. It’s about a robot who is entering a boxing match. Maybe you have read it ?

    Given that the story pre-dates Muhammad Ali (but came after Joe Louis) it’s a pretty neat dissection of why such role models are important, and the choices those role models make, and how they may or may not affect things when tensions run high. The parallels with Joe Louis especially are striking (and obviously intended) but given that it was written before Ali, it was something – like the author knew that something or someone like Ali had to appear sooner or later.

    I dunno, I credit it with making me think about stuff like that back when I was a kid.

    This discussion of 300 made me remember that for some reason.

  47. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Jess
    He’s always been a xenophobic jackass, to be sure. He just seems to be holding back less as he ages.

  48. Mimi wrote:

    I knew there was something that made me uncomfortable in this movie. I couldn’t put my finger on it , but you are right!

  49. Invasian wrote:

    The critical and commercial success of “300″ reminds me of [Paul Haggis'] “Crash” and “Team America,” two other movies that critics and audiences loved. I don’t know about anyone else, but those movies kind of sucked, especially “Crash” (and “kind of” is an understatement). They were filled with racist undertones; in the case of “Crash” the purpose was for a rich white liberal to lecture everybody on race, ’cause he knows best. With “Team America,” two white guys (Trey Parker and Matt Stone) gave us nasty portrayals of Kim Jong-Il (which can be associated with their usual portrayals of Asians) and Muslim terrorists. Of course it was all in the name of comedy, plus so many people praise “South Park,” so they got a free pass.
    Anyway, just thought I would put that out there. People who defend “300″ are kind of like the people who defend those other movies; they don’t see the racism behind them because they are too busy being entertained and whatnot.

  50. Daniel wrote:

    This is probably one of the longest movie critique I’ve read, with many strong points.

    Maybe someone should write something about the blurring of the lines between fantasy and reality. It’s not just entertainment but also many news agencies that claim to present credible facts.

    There’s also the factor of persistence. Any set of ideas that has been in a society or culture for a very long time, whether they be actual or nonsense, is going to be hard to tackle. The people living with those persistent thoughts don’t have to think much and it could make sense, almost “appearing natural” to them.

  51. Geek Anachronism wrote:

    I’m a little disturbed that you wrote about Gorgo submitting sexually – she was raped, with economic and physical intimidation.

    As for the rest, I agree, but I hate to see what happened portrayed as sex rather than rape.

  52. Lise wrote:

    The one “good” thing I could say about 300 was that in fact, its Spartan “heroes” were as loathsome as their Persian enemies were portrayed to be. Life in 300’s Sparta was slavery, pure and simple, no matter what walk of life you came from. All those speeches about preserving freedom in Sparta? What, the freedom to murder infants and abuse your healthy children?

  53. Black Dragon wrote:

    300 was a spectacular film for many reasons outside of race if thats what you’re looking for. The way it was shot and the fact that it is a graphic novel being brought to the big screen. Accurate race-friendly history pics seem to get yawned out and generally ignored by the masses. Unfortunately this leads to movies like 300 getting the green flag since everyone will watch it and love it.

    If you’re a sci fi fan you become de-sensitized to the light vs dark themes that go beyond good and evil, if you’re a casual movie-goer or a casual sci-fi fan then yes I’m sure 300 burns like a Klan cross. If you want to get juicy about comic books and the graphic novels we could discuss Conan the Barbarian and his creator Robert E. Howard.

    I’m just saying, its not like you are telling us anything we don’t know or notice as nerds. Sci Fi is racist, love it or leave it alone.

  54. BSK wrote:

    To be honest, I didn’t read the entire post, but I do need to take issue with your response to his comment about how we teach “all cultures as being equal”. I think we often run the risk of relativism. If no culture is better than another, then how can we denounce Nazi culture? Or skinheads? Or KKK members? Clearly some belief systems ARE better than others. That does not mean that Americans or the West get to determine which is so, but to suggest that we shouldn’t question whether or not certain cultures/values/belief systems are “better” than others leads us to a point where we can’t criticize what we know to be wrong. I feel quite the contrary. We must identify what we truly value and promote this. We must identify what may be different from us but on an equal moral plane and therefore respected and dialogued with for potential growth on both sides. And we must identify that which actively combats what we truly hold to be right and actively fight against it. We must constantly show respect for individuals, but not for beliefs.

    As a teacher, I see this constantly. Many modern progressive education viewpoints (which are quite detached from genuine progressive education) state that the teacher should hold no center and respect all. So if I have a student or a family say, “I don’t believe in you teaching that we accept and promote all family structures because it violates our religion,” I must find a way to respect the context from which that belief is derived, but in no way validate that actual belief system. It flies in the face of what I as a teacher believe and what we as a school promote. So, no, it is not of equal standing. Is our viewpoint absolute? No. I must constantly reflect and revise where I stand. But we are still in a position to be arbiters and we must make decisions.

    As a college professor friend of mine once said, if everyone is right, then what happens when one person tells another he is wrong? It is a perfect example of the fundamental contradiction that exists in the “we must accept all belief systems as equal” mantra.

    I am curious to hear more about what others thing. We have no problems calling out racists/sexists/homophobes and other people who’s beliefs offend us. But we, as liberals/progressives/lefties/democrats/whatever are often bothered when others are critical of a different belief system that we may find value in on the basis of “respect all beliefs.” I don’t think we can have it both ways. Thoughts?

  55. Titanis walleri wrote:

    I don’t think the concept of “light vs darkness” has anything to do with skin color, or race, or anything like that. It’s probably based more on day and night…

    “the geographic racism is just as pervasive. Take a look at any map in the front of a fantasy book. Notice where the primitive guys and the bad guys live, and where the good and civilized guys live.”
    I’m not following. What does the layout of fictional worlds have do with anything?

  56. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Wow, I just want to thank everyone here for their comments. I also wanted to share that “300″ really got me depressed when it came out in the theaters, not just because of its racist content, but because so many of my friends didn’t understand why I was so offended by it. I have a very personal connection with Persian paintings and when I saw “300″ come out, I was so upset that such a beautiful culture and history could be so vilified. I remember listening to beautiful Persian music by “Niyaz” one night and just breaking into tears because we rarely ever see something positive and/or beautiful about the Middle-East or other Muslim countries (pre-Islamic and post-Islamic).

    Anyway, it’s truly uplifting to see so many people who appreciate this analysis. Your thoughts, comments, and appreciation mean so much. Thank you.

    @ Geek Anachronism: I sincerely apologize. I wrote “she was raped,” but obviously didn’t publish that draft. I wrote a couple drafts of this analysis and I could have sworn that I published the one that says she was raped. I completely agree with you. I’ll correct that on my original post. Thank you for pointing that out. I should have proof-read it more after I posted it.

    @ Black Dragon, I couldn’t disagree with you more. The “Sci-fi is racist, love it or leave it alone” attitude doesn’t fly with me at all, especially when I write my own sci-fi stories and have some indie sci-fi film projects lined up. The racism in science fiction or any genre should never be perceived as something that is set in stone. I wrote this with hopes that it would inspire fellow writers, artists, filmmakers, etc. to consider the fact that these images *are* harmful and offensive. Just because other sci-fi films or stories have been offensive doesn’t mean we should continue the trend. No, we should break the cycle. I see the racism all the time in fantasy novels, motion pictures, comic books, and it’s reached the point where we have to say enough is enough. If sit back and think “this is the way it is,” then people like Frank Miller are going to keep making racist and xenophobic material like “300.”

    @ Restructure – WOW, I Loved that point you made about “killing the messenger.” Ugh, the more I think about that scene, the more disgusted I get.

    @ CVT – You’re right, and I agree with you. The “enemy” in the film represents all people of color. Thanks for mentioning that :)

  57. Elanor Brachwasser wrote:

    Thanks for giving us such an excellent review! I’ve hated the 300 since I saw it, for much the same reasons you analyze so well, expecially the completely blatant racism and sexism. Something that particularly bothered me was the way they portrayed the Persians as evil by making them deformed – just wrong on so many levels. It was classic xenophobia and shallow hollywood “lookism,” not just the message: “Persians (dark people) = bad, but also that they are evil because they are deformed, gay and effeminate? As always being ugly or in any way less than “perfectly formed” and healthy (and white, straight, and masculine) = being evil. Makes me want to yell “Disability Rights!” at the screen.

  58. Elanor Brachwasser wrote:

    @ Geek Anachronism (#51)

    Thank you. The rape scene was possibly the most disturbing in the whole movie, to me. I physically had to look away. It also seemed completely unnecessary to the plot; just one more way to horrifically undermine the female characters. It definitely deserves to be called what it is.

  59. JC wrote:

    I can’t add more to the great analysis, except that it matches my own thoughts almost to a tee. I really thought, that 300 was a movie made for Log Cabin Republicans. I don’t remember ever seeing a film as homoerotic as 300. Perhaps the message we hear on the screen is all about racism and homophobia, but the sub-text that I got was that “Geezuz, these ancient Greeks are really, really gay”. I mean even the supposed evil Xerxes… there’s like a sexual tension between him and Leonidas… you half-expect them to make out right after their “heated” exchange. Maybe it’s really a secret propaganda film for gays in the Military.

  60. Deena wrote:

    This was a great post! I saw 300 in the theaters, and enjoyed it mostly on a visual basis while wincing at the full spectrum of wrongness on display.

    @BSK – I agree with your point that the ability must exist to judge a culture or belief system as bad/wrong. I think it’s also important, though, to differentiate between judgments based on facts (which I think you are doing), and judgments based on exaggerated and false stereotypes (which is what Frank Miller is doing).

    I’d also love to see discussion of the problems with Alan Moore’s Watchmen, both the graphic novel and the movie, once it comes out. I am a fan, so I’d love to have my blinders removed on its flaws/issues.

  61. Restructure! wrote:

    I don’t want to go off topic, but Orson Scott Card was already mentioned a few times. Ender’s Game *is* messed up. It’s awesomely good sci fi, but the moral of the story is that you are a good person as long as you have good intentions, no matter what you do or who you hurt. This type of “morality” is already pretty pervasive in our culture, but Ender’s Game took it to the extreme.

    A very good criticism of Ender’s Game with respect to intention and morality is Creating the Innocent Killer: Ender’s Game, Intention, and Morality, an online essay. (Contains spoilers)

  62. Joseph wrote:

    Birth of a Nation=Triumph of the Will=300

    @Jehanzeb
    Once again, fantastic essay friend–I’m really happy to see it cross-posted here. You deserve a lot of attention for it. I’ll reiterate my comment from over at Broken Mystic in light of this discussion:
    Western filmmakers tend to misrepresent the acceptability of same sex relations among the Greeks (who, for the record, were entirely amenable to it) and instead demonize it as a typical Middle Eastern sexual practice. This conflation of homophobia and Orientalism is not limited to depictions of ancient history. Oliver Stone’s script for Midnight Express (the true story of a white western guy who is thrown in a Turkish prison for drug smuggling) does the the same thing. Among other distortions Stone has the Turks obsessed with homosexual sex while the virtuous, “masculine” American prisoner gently but firmly turns down a pass by another male prisoner. In reality Billy Hayes, the author of the memoir the movie was based on, had a consensual sexual relationship with another prisoner and credits the affair with helping him stay same while in jail. After it was released Hayes complained that the portrayal of Turkish culture in the film was a racist distortion of his story. It seems the western anxiety around homosexuality requires it to be relocated away from white/western “heroes” and projected on to Middle Eastern “villains”. Riiiight.

    @CVT #6
    While I agree with your larger point re: light/dark =good/bad in sci-fi and fantasy I disagree that the “Persians” in 300 stand in for all PoC. They are very consciously designed to represent Middle Eastern people. There is a clear parallel being drawn between the ancient Greeks and “Persians” of the story and the contemporary West/US/Israel and Middle Eastern states. 300 isn’t about African Americans anymore than Birth of a Nation is about Middle Eastern peoples. I agree that we all suffer under the weight of these representations but it is important to be clear: this movie is an Orientalist fantasia, a “virtuous West” triumphs over “morally corrupt East” parable created for an audience that allowed Guantanamo (speaking of homoerotic violence) to happen.

    @Black Dragon #53
    No. 300 is not sci-fi. It is a racist distortion of actual events. And that is part of the thrill for its audience, who believe they are watching history, not fantasy. But, even if it were: No.

    @Atlasien #3
    I am so glad you called out LOTR even if I don’t entirely agree where you went with it. I didn’t read the Tolkien books but I was enjoying the movies until the racist imagery in them got so overt that they spoiled the experience for me. When I complained about it to friends who were devoted to the books I got shouted down and called a spoilsport (among other things). I wanted to write a similar sort of analysis to what Jehanzeb has done here but I didn’t have the energy. This shit is depressing.

  63. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Joseph – Thanks for your comments. I’m sorry I didn’t respond to the one you posted on “Broken Mystic,” but I immediately checked out “Midnight Express” and read some really great critiques on it. I didn’t know much about it before. Thanks for sharing that.

    I reacted the same way when I saw Lord of the Rings. I never read the books either, but I had a friend who was a huge fan. I didn’t like the Easterlings at all and I felt it had a very strong ethnocentric vibe.

    @ The Cruel Secretary # 14 – I totally relate to what you’re saying. It bothers me when people tell me to watch “300″ for its visual effects and “ignore” everything else. For me, the film is indefensible. The “technical achievements” don’t cover up anything for me.

  64. Dirge wrote:

    @Joseph
    “300 isn’t about African Americans anymore than Birth of a Nation is about Middle Eastern peoples”

    Did you see the movie, like half the Persians whose face was visible to us the audience were black.(The messenger, the briber of the priest, the disembodied head of the fallen general) and the other more racially “ambigous” Persians were hella dark(even though many Persians are as pale as Europeans) Plus, the Persian army was a hodge podge of differnet races and ethnicities. Whits vs. POC. yeah.

  65. gatamala wrote:

    I could never explain my visceral discomfort with 300 in the way that you have done.

    Thank you Jehanzeb.

  66. BSK wrote:

    Deena-

    Fantastic point. I’m sorry if I failed to mention it in my post, but I was not attempting to justify Miller’s stance on Southeast Asians or Muslims. As you state, it was not based on an objective analysis of facts. Thank you for pointing that out.

  67. Joseph wrote:

    @Dirge
    Dude, I don’t care if they are purple: the “Persians” in this film were repulsive analogues to Middle Eastern people (who come in 31 flavors, peach to coffee). Yes, there is a general agreement that sci-fi/fantasy is a Eurocentric narrative where white=good. But, again, 300 is supposed to dramatize an actual historical event, not an LOTR fantasy. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree that such representations damage all PoC. But generalizing the insult represented by this film dilutes the intended effect, which is to retroactively justify contemporary violence against Middle Eastern people by linking it to “history.” By overwriting this intent with a US American Black/White narrative you obscure both the history of Orientalist imagery it draws from AND the contemporary propaganda value of a “historic” victory over licentious (but sexually repressed!), barbaric, Middle Easterners.

    Sound familiar? Its meant to.

  68. CVT wrote:

    @Black Dragon -
    You’re killing me here. I’m a long-time sci fi fan, and I’ve never “gotten used to” the fact that PoC are very seldom portrayed positively (or at all, really). And I refuse to just “accept it.” I search for (and have found) authors and stories that hold an even keel (of sorts), portraying a truly diverse world where “good” and “Light” isn’t about skin-color. Excusing it and saying “deal with it” is exactly how our country continues to be so racist – “that’s how it is” – so should we all just shut up and let people mistreat us?

    @Titanis walleri – Same as above, really. Take Lord of the Rings (and any similar stories) – who are the forces of “good”? The (basically Aryan) elves. The all-white humans. The white hobbits, etc. All clearly patterned on United Kingdom nationalities. The “evil”? Dark-skinned orcs and goblins. You have the Uruk Hai, who are clearly patterned after Native American tribes. The “evil men” who appear out of nowhere are dark-skinned, some riding elephants, some with turbans and veils.

    As for the geography – most “fantasy worlds” are patterned after our planet (usually from medieval times). So – examine the maps, and they generally follow United Kingdom contours, sometimes European (with obvious references to make this more than coincidence). The “barbarians” are usually geographically placed on those maps in spots exactly where non-white ethnicities would happen to be on a similar “real-world” map. You are only lying to yourself if you think that is a coincidence (considering how common it is).

    @Joseph – Although the “Persians” are literally equated with Middle East/Islam in the film, it’s no coincidence that their allies are various – differing – folks of color, all lumped in together, as one massive “evil” Empire. Dismissing that fact is counterproductive. “Birth of a Nation” only has black folks as the “evil” – “300″ has most forms of non-white skin as “evil,” and clearly so.

  69. Fred wrote:

    Jess wrote:

    “Miller is a comic book artist. That’s a group that seems to produce a lot of right-wing nuts. See Steve Ditko as exhibit A.”

    What’s ironic about your comments is that Bill Willingham (Fables) argued that the comic industry is too liberal:

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bwillingham/2009/01/09/superheroes-still-plenty-of-super-but-losing-some-of-the-hero/

    Comic veteran Mike Baron echoes this sentiment:

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mbaron/2009/01/29/schadenfreude-in-the-kultursmog-mike-baron/

  70. Think wrote:

    I loved 300, I own the movie and still watch it occasionally. As a woman of color I can understand how racist ideology plays a part in the movie, IF I choose to watch it through that lens. However, I would rather watch 300 than watch a movie that promotes racial stereotypes under the guise of being a “(insert ethnic group” film (e.g., Memoirs of a Geisha). I do appreciate the analysis of the media though

  71. Joseph wrote:

    @CVT
    I am not dismissing it, I am saying it is a misstatement at best and a deliberate obfuscation of Orientalism and Islamophobia at worst. I have said repeatedly that I support the basic idea that we are in the same boat–but not at the expense of a particular understanding of this as hate film directed at me and people like me.

    A cursory look at Jack Shaheen’s “Reel Bad Arabs” (referenced by Jehanzeb in his essay) clearly shows the genealogy of these images in American cinema. But they predate the advent of that media by thousands of years. Orientalist and then Islamophobic narratives are central to the formation of the West from its beginnings.

    I refuse to allow that history, which is played out to such devastating effect in the present as State-sanctioned violence against Middle Eastern people, to be absorbed into a different racial narrative just to satisfy a general American need to recast every story in familiar (i.e. Black/White) terms: No.

    I have no desire to turn this excellent thread into a debate over this one element that popped up in the comments. I have said what needed to be said about it and you’ll either hear me or you won’t. Instead of continuing down that road I’d like to ask a few general questions:

    There are countless examples of repellent portrayals of black folk in American culture–new and old and when they are called out on this site and elsewhere I gladly join the chorus of voices decrying them. So why is the reciprocal gesture so difficult for some to manage when the focus is on Middle Eastern people?

    Why, in order to enjoy wider PoC support, do I have to submit to the notion that 300–or whatever Orientalist cultural expression is at issue– is “really” about a Black/White narrative, which trumps all?

    Do you think it is a coincidence that this film was made while we are occupying Iraq? While Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and numerous other CIA “black site” prisons are filled with Arab and Muslim prisoners? (Still! Thanks for nothing so far President Obama…) When torture is made legal in the United States but it is only practiced on Arabs and Muslims?

    Can you understand why, given these things, the attempt to recast a hate film created specifically to demonize Middle Eastern people into a completely different racial narrative, is offensive?

  72. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Joseph
    By overwriting this intent with a US American Black/White narrative you obscure both the history of Orientalist imagery it draws from AND the contemporary propaganda value of a “historic” victory over licentious (but sexually repressed!), barbaric, Middle Easterners.

    The man who bribes the priest literally Sambo-izes as he fades into the shadows with just two big old eyes a big old wide smile and menacing laugh on an otherwise black screen.

    You don’t need to overwrite the Orientalist intent of 300in order to recognize that black bodies were mobilized to communicate the wretchedness of the “Persian” army. Nor does every mention of blackness translate to the insertion of “a US American Black/White narrative” (though it is an America film made for an American audience and it clearly has no problem with the apocryphal).

    @ CVT
    In other words, what you said.

  73. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Think,

    Did you read Frank Miller’s interview? The interview pretty much seals everything for me. But even if I didn’t hear his interview, which is filled with anti-Muslim and anti-Middle-Eastern bigotry, I still would never be able to watch the film “occasionally.”

    What I don’t understand is how you can watch a movie like 300 WITHOUT noticing its racist content. What else is there to enjoy about the film? All I see is a group of buff and half-naked White men slicing up a bunch of dark-skinned “rag-heads” — people who could look like me, my brother, my parents, my Uncle, my cousins, my Iranian and Arab friends, etc.

    If I watched a minstrel show and said, “hey I could see the racism, but I still watch the show occasionally because I choose not to see it through that lens,” would that make much sense? As I tried to encourage in my critique, we need to be bold enough to condemn these films because they are RACIST (BOLD, ITALICS, UNDERLINE, ALL CAPS). PERIOD.

    Watch Spike Lee’s film, “Bamboozled.”

  74. emma wrote:

    Well shit! I liked 300 and LOTR. I thought I was just enjoying Gerard Butler, Viggo Mortenson and Orlando Bloom looking good and fighting. Instead I was fueling racism and white supremacy. Fuck! I hope they don’t that my POC Card away.

  75. Joseph wrote:

    @A.D Nix
    Yeah, You don’t NEED to overwrite the Orientalist intent of 300 but you ARE. Here’s the thing: you know how awful it feels when a white person tries to tell you that she knows just how you feel because, say, she was unpopular in High School, so she totally understands prejudice? And even though she is well-intentioned the only way she can relate to your experience is to make it into a version of her own?

    Well, that is what you are to me in this moment.

    So I really jumping off at this point because, honestly, it is grossing me out. If you want to continue interacting with me about what I’ve raised then feel free to visit my blog, where you can bet yer azz I am posting about this. But I won’t respond to anymore stuff about this here.

    @Jehanzeb
    Sorry man, didn’t mean to make a scene. It is my hot Arab blood. You know how we get. Oh, and re: #73 (@Think) I have no words except COSIGN.

  76. Jehanzeb wrote:

    After reading Joseph’s comments, I find myself agreeing with him. It’s true that “300″ has racist imagery for people of color, but the film’s primary target is the Persians, who, through their Orientalist depictions, are meant to represent Middle-Easterners and Muslims. Throughout the film, the Spartan characters address the Persians as “Persians,” and never addressing their names (except for Xerxes).

    “Persian cowards,” “oh, I’ve chosen my words carefully, Persian,” and “Persians! Come and get them” — this repeated usage of the word “Persian” seems to aim at developing a very antagonistic reaction from the audience. That’s why, when you visit “300″ fan forums, you’ll see people saying, “if this group reaches 300 members, we’ll lead an army against Persians,” or call anyone they disagree with a “Persian.”

    Joseph is not denying the fact that there are Black characters who are also vilified in the film; he’s just pointing out that the film is mainly anti-Middle-Eastern and “Islamophobic.” The whole notion that the Persian Empire is about “submission,” “slavery,” and “oppression” is very reminiscent to the modern day stereotypes and misconceptions that exist about the Middle-East and Muslim world. And you don’t need to limit your characters to Middle-Eastern-looking to be Islamophobic. There are Muslims of all skin colors since Islam is not limited to the Middle-East.

  77. David Cone wrote:

    A.D. Nix,
    The bald heavy-set brother did sort of go Cheshire Cat up in that scene, didn’t he? LOL.
    And I will borrow the term “Sambo-ize” and give you appropriate credit.

  78. Think wrote:

    “All I see is a group of buff and half-naked White men slicing up a bunch of dark-skinned “rag-heads” — people who could look like me, my brother, my parents, my Uncle, my cousins, my Iranian and Arab friends, etc.”

    Didn’t see it that way, sorry….although I understand where you’re coming from, I just didn’t go there. If they had been fighting a bunch of black women who look like me I probably would have felt differently though, so I do understand what you mean. However, they weren’t…So all I saw were “buff and half naked” men fighting in slow motion, which I think is H-O-T. Maybe that’s not what you want to hear (see?) but at the end of the day it IS entertainment for me. I didn’t like what Frank Miller had to say, but when I watch the movie the themes that come to my mind are of courage and tenacity against all odds. That’s my lens. When I watch it again, I wonder if I’ll think differently….if so at least I know that 300 isn’t the last movie on earth.

    So sorry, instead of fuming, I fanned myself…like I said, they were hot! They could have been fighting a bunch of stuffed animals, as far as I’m concerned.

  79. Tarik wrote:

    Thank you for the research and analysis. I recall watching this piece of trash (on an airplane) before while half asleep. As you say, despite whatever aesthetic value the movie has, it is clearly a sad manifestation of acceptable racism. Count me in as one of many people who “sort of knew this” while it was playing in the theaters.

    The revelation for me however is in regards to Miller. Growing up in the 80s, like many of my adolescent peers I was a big fan of Miller’s work both with Marvel and then with DC. By the time he was with Dark Horse, I still read his stuff – and chalked it up as testosterone-fueled fluff. Beyond that, I had no idea what his political leanings were until you quoted from this interview.

    I will never buy another Miller-authored comic again.

  80. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Think,

    Wow, so I guess seeing a bunch of half-naked “hot men” makes up for the film’s racist content. And yet you say that if they were fighting a bunch of Black women, you would have seen the movie differently. So I guess they wouldn’t be “hot” guys anymore, huh? Oh, but one of the “hot” guys kicked a Black guy down a well, didn’t he? It’s ok though, he’s just so freakin’ “H-O-T,” let him kick people of color down a well, who cares.

    I think you’ve totally missed the point here. Are you Muslim? Are you Middle-Eastern? When you read Frank Miller’s racist and Islamophobic remarks, is that YOUR religion/way of life he’s insulting? Are those YOUR people he’s vilifying?

    Please try to understand that people like myself cannot sit in a theater or watch a movie made by a person who HATES my way of life and culture. Try to empathize with that. If a person made a film with a bunch of “hot” actors, but also HATED Black people, would you still watch it? I’m sure you wouldn’t.

    The film’s racist content is harmful, just like ALL RACIST material is. Do you not realize that when you call the actors “hot,” you’re also reaffirming the disgusting portrayal of the Persians? What do you think this tells young Middle-Easterners and Muslims who watch this film — they can’t be attractive just because they’re not White? Don’t you know that many people, especially young people, can internalize these racist and ethnocentric messages?

    The whole idea of choosing attractive actors is so that the audience develops more sympathy for the characters. Make the protagonists good looking and make the antagonists ugly, that’s how it works in this movie. It’s clear that you don’t see the movie in the same way, but as pointed out by Joseph and I, the film demonizes the Middle-East; their people, their culture, and their history.

    @ Joseph,

    No worries. I’m boiling up here too. But I guess I can’t fan myself because, as you know, we Middle-Easterners and South Asians (whether Muslim or not) are just too freakin’ ugly compared to all these hot Spartan guys.

  81. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Re “They are very consciously designed to represent Middle Eastern people”: I thought they were designed to look like the cannibals in “Pirates of the Caribbean,” the body-rippers in “Apocalypto,” and the dark-skinned devils in countless Western depictions of Native America, Africa, and the Asian Pacific.

    See “Cannibals in ‘Crusoe’” (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/02/cannibals-in-crusoe.html) for perhaps the millionth depiction of non-Western natives as painted, pierced, nearly naked savages.

  82. Reiter wrote:

    A very good read. When I first saw 300, I thought it was just an ok mindless popcorn film. I mean, you can only do so many slow-motion shots before it becomes silly and boring. That, and the major tinkering with history kinda bugged me too (also what bugged me with Last Samurai, aside from the whole White Savior thing, of course).

    My initial reaction to the depiction of the Persians was that it was so over the top in its description that that was the whole point; that the lone 300 survivor was retelling the story to his fellow Spartans to rally them to battle and by dehumanizing the enemy (basic war tactic 101), he could make his comrades fight all the harder against a hated (and inhuman) foe.

    That’s why I enjoyed the first Starship Troopers so much; it was so satirical in its depiction of pro-military war propaganda, and by making the enemy literally alien and not human, the audience is left to see how over the top and silly it all was (”The only good bug is a dead bug!” – that and the action was cool, I’ll admit).

    300, on the other hand, isn’t so subversive in the dangers of its warmongering message; rather, it’s the opposite, and kinda insidious, actually, for all the reasons given in the article above.

    On a side note, another movie that a lot of critics (and white folks) seem to love is Breakfast At Tiffany’s but Mickey Rooney’s horrible yellowface character is a black mark against the classic that will forever make me hate that movie despite the otherwise supposedly great actors involved.

  83. Alderson Warm-Fork wrote:

    One thing that really bugged me about the film was that Sparta was depicted as defenders of ‘freedom’ against ‘mysticism’ and ‘tyranny’ (I don’t remember if it was those precise words but it was something like that).

    But they don’t do anything to actually make sense of that. They’re ruled by a king, routinely sell young girls to religious paedophiles, obey the dictates of weirdo priests on a mountain, and brutalise every growing infant relentlessly.

    But still, ya know, freedom. Freedom!

  84. PatrickInBeijing wrote:

    Great criticism, and great discussion. When I saw the movie, my first thought was that it was stupid beyond belief. I mean, come on, no one capable of amassing an empire is going to watch his huge army sliced to pieces without sending 20,000 or so troops around to wipe them out much sooner than happened. So much of our “history” of ancient Greece is less history than fantasy. And this fantasy is one of our major cultural underpinnings??? HELLO!!! We are in trouble.

    I know very little about this period but enough to know that at least the Spartan depiction was nonsense. It is great to learn more about ancient Persia (from the comments and links), and I want to add it to my study list. But what scares me is that most of us do know so little. When we know so little, it is easy to take what we see on the screen as fact. This is scary. I am constantly having to tell my students that everything they see (out of what they watch) from American Hollywood and TV is lies. They think surely there must be some underlying truth. I struggle to convince them otherwise.

    The information on Miller is very interesting. I was a long time comic fan, who grew increasingly disturbed by the modern comic scene (as much as I love some folks, like Neil Gaiman and some of the independent creators I met at comic-cons). Miller in the Dark Knight took an already dehumanizing portrayal of people who commit crimes even further, and deeper into imagined savagery. At some point, this began to disturb me, and I basically dropped books by the majors and moved into totally reading independent small productions. There are (were, I am at least ten years away) wonderful folks out there.

    Back to Miller. His comments don’t surprise me. Watchmen, was deeply fascist at its core, I felt, and I never cared for it. I have no intention of seeing the movie (I am dying to see Coralee when I can).

    To those who say that this is just the way SciFi is, and you have to leave it or take it. I left it. I stopped reading it. And I was a major fan who read (and bought) thousands of books. Now I can barely stand to read any of it. So, I gave it up because its reactionary (in all aspects) nature finally got to me. So what? Fans of SciFi should note that its audience is shrinking, not growing. If it wants to die, it will continue on its current path (I do know there are other trends, and appreciate the tips folks give here! That is where my little money goes these days).

    Some of my male students loved 300 in an adolescent way (without quite connecting with its other meanings), and of course, the homoerotic components may have played a part. But this was not a good film, and I am frankly shocked that it earned so much money.

    (I really didn’t imagine it would be so popular, so I guess I am more out of touch than usual. Sigh.)

    (For another viewpoint on Gibson, let me say (as someone with Scotch, English and “others” mixed in) that his portrayal of the English in Braveheart was no more balanced than his portrayals of people he doesn’t like in his other movies.)

    There are so many wonderful stories and storytellers, it is sad that this is the kind of trash made by major studios. Makes me want to give up on movies. At least American major studio movies. We can do better, and we hurt ourselves when we don’t.

  85. Jess wrote:

    @Reiter– FYI, a lot of critics have noticed the yellowface Mickey Rooney pulled in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, and most that I have read see it as a low point in the man’s career, and do notice the racism.

    That said, while it mars an otherwise pretty good film, you could probably edit those scenes out and still have it hold together, if you wanted, so while most don’t overlook it exactly, there is a sense that you can’t chuck the whole thing.

    One reason for this is that you don’t want to fall in tot he trap of “hollywood is racist, therefore everything ever produced is racist, therefore we can’t watch any of it.” The reason is that it sort of precludes any possibility of change when you take that attitude. I mean, if everything I write or produce will be racist because I live in a racist culture, how do we produce any cultural output at all that passes muster?

    This is why the earlier comment that “sci-fi is racist” is a massive oversimplification, and leaves out several writers such as Butler, Robinson, LeGuin, and Delaney. It’s also why 300 is interesting — it’s not just racist, but also, to my mind, homoerotic, and while the Greeks in the film make a big thing about Athenian “boy lovers” they all look like gay porn stars, and there really aren’t that many women in the film (their screen time isn’t more than what, 10 minutes?). There’s a real tension there that’s worth exploring.

    Breakfast at Tiffany’s has similar tensions — the racist imagery seems almost shoehorned in, and it’s largely all about class, simultaneously glorifying and deconstructing the trappings of wealthy living. (Holly is fleeing a working-class life, but at the same time isn’t really able to have “the good life” without prostituting herself). There’s a whole ‘nother discussion we could have there.

  86. Think wrote:

    I see your feeling are hurt, Jehanzeb. I apologize.

  87. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @Joseph
    Seriously. Where exactly did I say that Middle Easterners are not the primary target of this film’s racist ideology again? If that’s what you think I’m saying, you are incredibly wrong as well as jumping the gun. If you want to turn me into every black person that’s ever played Oppression Olympics with you (I’ve long sense been disqualified), I can live with that. But it’s a serious misstep on your part.

    What you’re doing is trying to shut down anymention of any secondary or tertiary targets (actually, just this one I guess – the mention of homophobia certainly didn’t conjure up this reaction) which, as per CVT, doesn’t seem to be incredibly productive. Should we restrict discussion of Gorgo’s rape as well? I think you can discuss all of these things without denying that Middle Easterners are the primary target of the film’s ideology. I think you can do this without “absorbing” what’s at work here into another narrative. Or at least I can.

    This is not the same as some white person telling me that they know what it’s like to experience prejudice in high school (which, incidentally, never happened to me in high school – an assumptive guess) because I am not telling you that knowing how this film made me feel means knowing how this film made you feel.

    What I am saying is this shit happened too (in fact, my point was a clear familiar menace was used to help signal the danger in this “Persian” menace – just like the multiple partner sex and differently abled bodies and piercings and eyeliner and monsters) and I can no more restrict acknowledgment of that than I can deny its misogyny and homophobia. But boil if you must.

    @ Jehanzeb
    What you said, and this:
    Yeah, You don’t NEED to overwrite the Orientalist intent of 300 but you ARE.

    . . . are two different things.

  88. Jess wrote:

    @PatrickInBeijing

    I have to take a small issue with your reaction to speculative fiction.

    Have you not read LeGuin? Octavia Butler? Just to start with. Science fiction, if anything, has the ability to play with our expectations and in fact serve as a powerful way of examining racism, sexism, et cetera. The fact that a lot of authors don’t do it is beside the point — it’s a bit like lamenting that a lot of Hollywood has all kinds of problems like that. Well, yeah, but that doesn’t mean the good stuff ain’t out there and that we shouldn’t support it.

    Also, science fiction has gone from being the province of a small fanbase to being in just about every aspect of our culture. From the futurist bent to spy movies, with their far-out technology. Science fictional elements are all over the place. Saying “Beam me up Scotty,” to give just one example, has a whole stack of associations that anybody in the English-speaking world will understand. (Teleportation, Star Trek, space ex[loration to name just three). This doesn’t mean there are no questions or the genre, but I doubt it will disappear.

    On top of that, Alan Moore, not Miller, wrote Watchmen, and I am actually curious as to why you found it fascist. I think you could make some of that case for the later Dark Knight incarnations but not for Watchmen — which is all about the danger of fascist thinking, and asks the very important question, just what does it mean when you really can put a supervillain-type plan into action?

    I mean, Moore was an anarchist as much as anything else. See V for Vendetta, which Moore now says was naive, politically, and probably not terribly indicative of his current stances, which are rather left-wing as these things go. And it is Moore who has been talking at least about sexism and racism in the comic book industry, (though he’s hardly the only one and he doesn’t do it that often).

    I really do want to know why yo saw Watchmen as fascist. You needn’t get really deep, but I am curious.

  89. Joseph wrote:

    @A.D. Nix
    Yes. Seriously. You cosigned CVT–in fact, jumped into this conversation out of nowhere just to do it–and that is EXACTLY what he said. He wrote:

    “I don’t know if it specifically read as against Middle Easterners…So it’s more just “White is Superior” to me – over ALL other races – and not just Islamophobic.”

    Hm. “Just” Islamophobic? And, to shut down any further discussion of the Orientalist and Islamophobic contexts of this film:

    “I don’t think any thorough, psychological analysis is necessary…”

    So, in other words, thanks Jehanzeb, but your thorough, psychological analysis was unnecessary?

    If the sentiment had been, “Yes, to this analysis and I ALSO see a wider dynamic going here re: Black/White”–which is what you seem to think you are saying–then I would have happily cosigned. It might have even inspired an interesting discussion about the ways in which these two parallel racist traditions, the Orientalist/Islamophobic and the “Black Savage” sometimes touch and reinforce each other. I would have been all for that. That is, after all, why I am part of this community.

    But that isn’t what CVT said. Or what “Dirge” said. Or “Rob Schmidt.” Or you enthusiastically said. ( I am not even going to get into the ironically-named “Think’s” disgusting comments, which made me taste my lunch again). Instead you all insinuated yourselves into a conversation about an Orientalist hate-film and pretty successfully derailed any serious discussion of the implications of such a film for Middle Eastern/South Asian/Muslim people. And when I called you on it, you tried to say that I was trying to curtail YOUR discussion. Bwah! That is a sweet piece of passive-aggressive Judo my friend.

    I almost respect poor, dim “Think’s” position more: “They could have been fighting a bunch of stuffed animals, as far as I’m concerned…If they had been fighting a bunch of black women who look like me I probably would have felt differently.” Right. So, in other words, “if violence were directed at people who looked like me, I would be upset, but if not I don’t even think of the victims as human.” That’s mighty White of you there, “Think.” But at least with that crap I know where I stand, even if it activates my gag reflex. You, however are pretending (perhaps even to yourself) that you really want to discuss the film when what you are actually doing is PREVENTING the rest of us from doing just that.

    Let me explain it this way:
    Recently there was a productive thread on the site about the NY Post cartoon that featured the cops shooting a monkey. Folks were rightfully outraged by this cartoon and it was decried as racist…despite the fact that no African Americans even appear in it… because it fits into a long history of representations of African Americans as primates. The white commenters who didn’t “see” that when they first looked at the cartoon where educated through the hurt and rage articulated by African Americans who understood very well what the image was designed to do: It both references a history of racist violence AND implies that, because he is a Black man, the President of the United States, is a potential victim of such violence in the future because he, like the cartoon ape, is less than human. Like others, I was outraged by this cartoon and said so. But imagine if I’d insisted that the cartoon was REALLY about anti-Arab racism, because “Barack Obama” is an Arab name. Obama is (still!) regularly “accused” of being secretly Muslim or Arab or both. Incidents of street violence against Middle Eastern peoples and South Asians has never returned to pre-9/11 levels and the government has targeted members of those groups disproportionately…so perhaps the cops shooting the monkey was actually about that. I suppose I could have picked that fight and dominated the discussion with my accusations until the thread became about whether of not I was right, instead of a real discussion of the implications of the cartoon. But I didn’t do that because, among other reasons, it would be stupid. The Post cartoon is part of a tradition of Anti-black racist images and any secondary reading of the power dynamic on display there would be just that.

    And yet, that is exactly the sort of thing you and the others propose here. Jehnazeb, with his original post, and I in the comments, have referred to a long history of Orientalist films in the United States into which “300″ clearly fits. Rather than take the opportunity to learn about a tradition of racist depictions with which you are clearly unfamiliar you insist on redirecting the analysis back towards a tradition you know. Don’t bullshit yourself that you are building bridges here. It is perfectly obvious that you are trying to supplant the first with the second. And the list of reasons why you’d do such a thing is pretty short. It doesn’t matter how many times you say “Sambo” this film is not about African Americans. It is about Middle Eastern peoples and the, although the story takes places in pre-Islamic Iran, the Islamophobic implications are clear. Unless of course you are trying not to see.

    Maybe you are acting out of unconscious Orientalism and Islamophobia and maybe you aren’t but the effect is the same in any case. If you are on the site my assumption is that you have an investment in anti-racist work, which involves an examination of your own privilege and motives if undertaken honestly. So, I am saying, as clearly as I know how: A.D. Nix et. al, check yourselves.

  90. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Joseph
    And boil you will.

    Let me state this as clearly as I know how: Your primary assumption, that I agree with everything CVT said, is false. So let’s address that (for the second time). What I agreed with was this at #68 – and there was no “cosign” (because I don’t do that). In short, this:

    @Joseph – Although the “Persians” are literally equated with Middle East/Islam in the film, it’s no coincidence that their allies are various – differing – folks of color, all lumped in together, as one massive “evil” Empire.

    And I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I do think it’s intended to help build the case for terror. But that does not mean that I don’t think Middle Eatserners are the primary target (as mentioned (and rementioned (and mentioned again))). And paired with what I wrote in the comment that included said agreement, that should be clear.

    And as for this:
    If the sentiment had been, “Yes, to this analysis and I ALSO see a wider dynamic going here re: Black/White”–which is what you seem to think you are saying–then I would have happily cosigned.

    I have no interest in reducing this to a black/white dynamic but this is getting close to exactly what just said. You can take up the other business with CVT if the initial argument at issue is his/hers. I’ve stated my position but if you still want to make believe it’s something else, have at it.

    And I’m not going to play the bona fides game but rest assured, I am not the least bit unfamirliar with Orientalism. But that was another superfun assumption! Like how you think you have to make it a Black People Story in order for me to understand something that I already understand. Bless.

    I’m afarid I’m going to have to hold off on checking myself in this case.

  91. Joseph wrote:

    @A.D. Nix
    No worries about checking yourself, I checked you already.

    “@ CVT In other words, what you said.”

    …that is the terrible thing about the internet, nothing ever goes away.

    Um, bless?

  92. Afro-chan wrote:

    I just caught this on CNN today…

    “Iran attacks Hollywood over movie ‘insults’”

    Link: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/01/iran.hollywood/index.html

  93. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    When I wrote “Awesome analysis, Jehanzeb” and “Don’t forget that the 30-odd years of movies vilifying Arabs and Muslims as terrorists were preceded by 50-odd years of Westerns vilifying Indians as savages,” that was exactly as if I’d written “Yes, to this analysis and I ALSO see a wider dynamic going here.” So thanks for supporting me, Joseph, even though you apparently didn’t realize that’s what you were doing.

    When you wrote “They are very consciously designed to represent Middle Eastern people,” you didn’t give any examples. So tell us: Which design elements make the warriors uniquely Middle Eastern? Which elements make it so we can’t mistake them for any other non-Western race on Earth? Be specific with your answer.

    In other words, when you can address our comments about the similarities of “300’s” savage warriors to a century of fictional savage warriors of various races (including Middle Easterners), please do so. Your efforts to deny this historic resemblance do nothing to make the resemblance go away.

  94. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Afro-chan,

    Thanks for sharing that link. I saw it this morning as well. I’m really disappointed with Aronofsky (the director of “The Wrestler”).

    The worst part is that him, Hollywood, and Frank Miller could care less about what we think. They’re established in their respective businesses. We’re the minority. No one cares about what we have to say.

    Best way to cover up racism: call it “Freedom of expression.”

  95. PatrickInBeijing wrote:

    @Jess
    Great questions. First, about SciFi. There is still a bit I read, and the authors you cite are okay, but the field as a whole left me cold. The future form of government most people imagine is feudalism. That’s it??? That’s the ideal (with lots of nice machinery and advanced toys). I got sick of it. (I will note that a few authors seem to try to move beyond this, Banks for one).

    And the racism. While Butler and a number of others get it, the field as a whole does not. It became too painful for me to read thirty terrible writers in search of the one good one. I just got tire of it. If you want to reference writers here, please do!!! I am a bit out of touch (see my sig) with contemporary western culture, and this is one of the few places I trust for references (even if I disagree, folks here are 90% closer to my values than the rest of the media (some @#$@#%#$%@% at the NYT wrote a defense of “Gone With The Wind”, which I have never been able to watch, being unable to get past the opening bits…. (Once there was… ( and i start to puke and turn the damned thing off)))).

    So, I watch the disagreements here as more like family quarrels (sorry if those involved don’t think so, but really, compared to some of the folks I meet, almost everyone here is family (trolls excepted)).

    Back to SF. There are good writers out there, I don’t have the energy to search them out amongst the garbage. If you do, bless you, send them my way!!! I have been reading more world fiction lately, a lot of Japanese and Turkish at this moment, but that may change at any time.

    Watchmen. I generally like Alan Moore, and his interviews read pretty well, at least as i remember. And, no, I don’t confuse him with Frank Miller.

    But the thesis of the series (as I recall, and it’s been a while, so please correct me if I am wrong), was of a few brave, if confused folks battling against the majority who were either mislead or something.

    (The majority, being fooled by fascist tendencies, one could easily argue that the heroes (heroines) were anti-fascist. In fact, their rhetoric suggested that they were.)

    BUT. BUT. BUT. They still saw themselves as an elite separate from the “masses”, who would save the “masses” in spite of themselves. Think about this. Isn’t this the essence of fascism? A benevolent fascism (as opposed to the evil fascism of the rulers), but still a kind of fascism?. That at least is my take. Some trends of anarchism head in this direction (Ayn Rand was a fascist of the first degree, despite her libertarian underpinnings, in my opinion anyway).

    So, that is my explanation, poor though it may be. Of course, i preferred Moore to Miller. But, still, when I read Watchmen, it made me think, but not in the ways it intended.

    And I am not inclined to watch the movie, but will look for reviews here before making up my mind.

    Anyone have any cartoon ideas??? (for things I can give my students. they will get homicide, and i am downloading the wire to check out. Got “Imitation of Life” (so many thanks folks, and sorry if this is off thread, but really, I want my students to see the real world and learn).

    Another Query (sorry!!). There was a magazine devoted to African American film put out by one young man (compared to me) which actually went back into the 30’s and up into present times to try to document and preserve the rich history of African American films. I met him in an appearance at a comic-con with the Giant Robot folks. But lost touch as I left the states. Does anyone know?

    Jess, thanks for your thoughtful responses to my comments, they certainly made me think, and please, if i am wrong, don’t hesitate to tell me. As I age, my memories age too (though not always in a positive way!! (LOL))

  96. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Rob Schmidt,

    You wrote, “Which design elements make the warriors uniquely Middle Eastern? Which elements make it so we can’t mistake them for any other non-Western race on Earth?”

    I mentioned in comment # 76 that the Persian characters are called “Persians.” The term is vilified throughout the movie. The “Reel Arab/Muslim/Middle-Eastern” is typically presented as an angry enemy who wants to rule the world, enslave women, and oppress. The Persians in “300″ follow this script for the “Reel Middle-Eastern.” They talk about submission, slavery, and at the end of the movie, one of the Spartan soldier talks about rescuing the world from mysticism and tyranny.

    Mysticism? To me, that’s a direct attack on Persian culture and religion. They’re specifically addressing Zoroastrianism here, which is often credited as influencing Gnosticism, but it also extends to the mystical tradition of Islam, Sufism, since many of the great Sufi mystics were Persian.

    Plus, the film was released during a time when tensions between the West and Middle-East are rising. Frank Miller made it very clear in his NPR at who the “enemy” is: The Muslims and Middle-Easterners. He didn’t talk about anyone else, but them.

  97. Bacon Eggs N Cheese wrote:

    I never read the 300 graphic novel and wasn’t interested in seeing the film until I heard some friends at work talk about how great the movie was.

    When I heard that 300 was about 300 Greek Spartan soldiers versus a huge Persian army, I knew there was going to be some discussions on race, ethnicity, historty, etc.

    When I saw how the Persians were portrayed compared to Spartans, I wasn’t a bit surprised having known this story was written by Frank Miller. I had some of the same feelings that many have on this message board about the overt/covert racism in the film.

    I still like to watch 300 because of the story, acting, action, dialogue, imagery, and other stuff. I just try to imagine the real context of this film is small independent business versus big corporations.

  98. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Joseph
    And, as mentioned (still right up there on Teh Internet!) – that directly referenced the comment at #68.

    Believe what you really seem to need to believe. You’re still wrong.

  99. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Bacon Eggs N Cheese,

    You may be able to watch the movie because of its story, acting, action, dialogue, imagery (um, racist imagery?), and other stuff, but someone like me can’t.

    As Brandon noted at # 41, “Also, I would say that enjoying films like 300 without thought of the racist implications is another example of white privilege.”

    Ignoring the racism in movies like “300″ is exactly the problem. That’s why I wrote this analysis.

  100. Rchoudh wrote:

    I’m glad I never watched this piece of crap movie. At the time of its release it seemed to be a rallying cry for Americans to prepare for a possible war with Iran. It’s good to see that cry was never heeded since Americans have since wised up to the limitations of thier military and economic might.

  101. Jess wrote:

    @ParickinBeijing–

    I think I get it now. You’re thinking of Rorschach. That guy was fascist. No doubt about it.

    But the issue in Watchmen — and why I see it as more anti-fascist (and with an anarchistic streak) is that, well, take Dr. Manhattan. This guy is God, essentially. He can do anything, and rather than be the uber-super-hero and save people (and impose whatever morality) he sort of signs off and says he has no stake. In a way, it’s a meditation on what would happen if you had the power fascists dream of.

    Then you get Ozymandias, who has the whole plan to unite the world by taking the ordinarily divisive lies that fascism often spouts and turning it around, but who in the process commits acts as horrible as any fascist might. And then there’s the heroes who try to stop him, can’t, and end up unable to do so.

    Again. Moore takes the usual trope — heroes save the day at the last minute — and takes it apart. Further, the guy who is “good” — the one who wants to unite the world by doing so from above, is committing a simply heinous act (murdering several thousand people) – and reading that now, post 9/11– well.

    In that sense, Moore has taken the arguably fascist notion that underlay a whole lot of superhero comics and turned it on its head.

    Note also what happens to the US when Dr. Manhattan leaves the planet — it degenerates pretty quickly into a more dictatorial regime and finds itself faced with the consequences of having God on its side, literally as well as figuratively.

    Anyhow, that’s what I came away from Watchmen with, at least viz. fascism.

    Contrast it with The Dark Knight Returns, which has a lot of fascist elements in it, but doesn’t go quite all the way in the manner of 300.

    But some of it is because I use Dave Neiwert’s definition of fascism — not a coherent political program, but a set of political pathologies.

    See here: dneiwert.blogspot.com — there’s a whole discussion he has on the site of what I mean.

    300, in that sense plays into a lot of fascist thinking. The idea of there being a homeland, and an “other” who is an existential threat, and the idea that there is a threat from within represented by debate about whether to fight at all, and how such debate is downright unpatriotic, all that stuff.

    For sci fi writers who handle race in interesting (and more forceful) ways:

    Harry Turtledove. Yes, he’s known as an alternate history guy, but his treatment of racial attitudes in a world where the North and South reach a stalemate (initially) is unflinching.

    Sam Delaney
    Nalo Hopkinson — sci fi/fantasy from a Caribbean perspective.

    Joanna Russ (but she’s not been active in a while)

    Kim Stanley Robinson — also a really thoughtful treatment of anarchism/polyarchy in the Mars books

    Gene Luen Yang — not SF but his graphic novels are really, really funny, and American Born Chinese was funny and also really touching. Yeah, I misted up reading it. Sue me.

    China Mieville — he doesn’t use non-whites in his work so far, or at least not explicitly, but he does use other species and such as stand-ins and it’s an interesting treatment of prejudice and racism, and the way we view “the other.”

    Neil Gaiman

    Ian MacDonald — I’d suggest his Chaga books, which also deal with race/ethnicity in a very upfront fashion (and make me think this guy has it in for the UN). Maybe because he’s from Northern Ireland. Brasyl is another that does so.

    Even Orson Scott Card’s Pastwatch could be a rec here, though it’s one of the only ones of his I would.

    Lucius Shephard

    Joe Haldeman — The Forever War books deal pretty openly with issues of sexuality, mostly, and I think it works better because the POV character is bewildered a bit by changing mores, and acknowledges it. But in his other works he’s also been pretty good at dealing with issues of class and race.

    Most of these don’t do his in the explicit way LeGuin might, but these writers are some who at least nod to said issues and try to address them.

  102. Sargon wrote:

    I must confess that I have always rooted for the Persians when I read Herodotus (I am a graduate student in Assyriology). However, I cannot help but think that the criticisms of the 300 on historical grounds are misguided. The film made no pretensions to being a faithful retelling of events, but is rather a surreal fantasy vaguely inspired by an archetypical historical event (A Knight’s Tale had similar tendencies, using rock music and modern cheers; for that matter so does Hamlet). One might liken such criticism to commenting “people don’t really turn into rhino’s” at an absurdist play. Such liberties as making Xerxes black, 8 feet tall, and covered in piercings and having a remarkable number of grotesquely deformed people in his retinue at least to me make it clear we are not dealing with the fellow whose inscriptions we read in my Old Persian class, but a fantastic villain.

    For those interested in reading about the Persian empire, Pierre Briant’s history, recently translated into English and published by Eisenbrauns, is the most up to date. Also, a teaching grammar of Old Persian canbe found here:
    http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~iranian/OldPersian/index.html

  103. CVT wrote:

    @ Joseph (and Jehanzeb) and A.D. Nix, I guess -
    Wow – this has gotten a little bit crazy. A lot of assumptions jumping around and getting us all at each other’s throats when the primary fact is this: WE’RE ON EACH OTHER’S SIDES on this one.

    Some corrections: I see how my first comment can be misconstrued, but what I was saying about the “psychological analysis” is that the movie was so blatantly racist and ridiculous (and, I absolutely agree – Islamophobic) that it didn’t even need to go that deep to make the point. Definitely not faulting Jehanzeb his writing.

    Second – “not JUST Islamophobic” meaning: not only is it Islamophobic – which is bad enough – but it goes above and beyond to make sure ALL races are evil. It does. The JUST misconstrued to mean “Islamophobic is little” when I meant it as “not content to be an ass towards Muslims alone.”

    Third – I never tried to turn this into a Black/White binary – I’m not black. I’m ASIAN. And I go off on Orientalism all the f-ing time. And I tried to point out the “other” non-white races that are part of “Team Evil” with the Persians.

    All that said – Joseph, I am not (and did not mean to) – in any way – mean to take the focus off the anti-Islam sentiment. The movie was an obvious parable for the U.S. “war on terror” – half the speeches by Leonidas about needing a strong ruler to circumvent law to do justice could have come from Bush’s mouth. I was just trying to point out the tendency for the “anti-terror” and “anti-Islam” campaign to handily bring in all “others” and “foreigners” as part and parcel to our convenient “enemy.”

    So, I am not trying to stomp on your cause. And I get why you had that reaction when you read me as doing so (it goes without saying that people like to ignore anti-Asian racism, or conflate that with the black/white binary all the time – and I’m not okay with that).

    I was just giving my honest read – and experience – when I watched the film. I felt ridiculously uncomfortable because of – what I saw to be – it’s obvious anti-everything-that’s-not-white message. I was also uncomfortable because of it’s anti-Islam messaging, as well – but I was trying to add another layer to the discussion, based on what I felt and had experienced. You all nailed the Islamophobia, I had nothing to add to that. So I tried to add something that hadn’t been said yet.

    And, until my comments had their intent re-structured, I have to say that Jehanzeb agreed with me, without feeling that I was trying to minimize anything he/she had written (I think).

    We’re on the same team here (certainly, the Spartans would agree), so let’s go easy on each other and give each other some credit, okay?

  104. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Sargon,

    You wrote: “The film made no pretensions to being a faithful retelling of events, but is rather a surreal fantasy vaguely inspired by an archetypical historical event”

    Aah, this is true, but as I pointed out in my critique, there were a number of people who actually thought the film meant to represent what really happened. I believe I mentioned the one individual I came across who called the ancient Persian army “Muslim.”

    And the film is presented in a way that shows the West defying against an Eastern force that wants to enslave, oppress, and conquer them. This is not the first time we’ve seen this. It’s the typical “Reel Arab/Persian/Muslim” in Hollywood cinema. Viewers who may not be as open-minded as you may not care about learning about the Persian Empire. They might think, “ok, so this film exaggerated some things, but I’m sure the Persians were cruel and oppressive.” Didn’t we see that in Oliver Stone’s “Alexander”? Remember that when Aristotle is bad-mouthing the Persians and the kids were like “why are the Persians so cruel?”

    That is the only other time I can recall seeing ancient Persians in a recent Hollywood film, and although they’re presented differently than “300,” they’re still dull characters without personalities and without stories. In other words, there’s nothing in the mainstream media to counter this stereotypical image of ancient Persians.

  105. L. wrote:

    Wow. First of all, I really love this analysis. The posts that have been cross-posted here are very impressive and informative.

    I’m actually watching The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson and he’s talking about how an Iranian public figure (I wasn’t paying attention when he first started talking about it so I didn’t catch the name or title, but I’m almost sure it was Ahmadinejad) wants an apology for the offensive depictions of Iranians in Hollywood films. He listed 300 and The Wrestler as films that are offensive. Apparently, this article is somewhere in the NY Times. Anyway, Ferguson is basically saying that the depictions of the Persians in the movie is not offensive because they were sexually ambiguous and buff (part of his “I’m gay, but not really, but it’s funny to pretend I am” schtick. He spent a little time making stereotypical homosexual jokes and referenced how Ahmadinejad said there were no gay people in Iran. And then he went on to say that nobody else is demanding an apology (including Scottish people, since he’s Scottish), and that they basically shouldn’t demand one because they have nuclear weapons. I was typing this and trying to listen at the same time, so I probably missed a lot more. But I think we get the jist that he basically dismissed it because of who and where it came from, and because of US-Iranian relations.

  106. Gillian Greenwood wrote:

    An interesting analysis with many good points to make, yet marred by some bizarre propaganda and outright factual errors. First of all, Herodotus wasn’t suddenly introduced in 1850 after years and years of Xenophon, as is implied. Herodotus is known as “the father of history” in Western culture, and was read, studied, and appreciated by the ancient Greeks, the Roman Empire, and scholars from pre-renaissance times to the present. Herodotus saw print only shortly after movable type was introduced by Gutenberg, which demonstrates the importance in which he was held. By acting like there’s EITHER the Xenophon OR the Herodutus view is plain silly. Dar sets up this dichotomy like before 1850, Europeans thought Persians good, and afterwards, evil. In fact, Dar vastly underestimates the intelligence of these scholars and historians by creating this dichotomy–Frank Miller might have created these cartoony villains of Persians, but that was not the scholarly view. Both Xenophon and Herodotus were read and studied long before 1850, and continue to be studied today. Not to mention that Herodotus himself presented a quite sympathetic image of the Persians–one of the reasons that Herotodus is so great is that his views ARE nuanced, so it’s crazy to be implying that the negative view of the Persians comes from him. Classical scholars would laugh at Miller’s ridiculous depiction of the Persians AND the Spartans. And you don’t have to be some big fan of the Greeks or enemy of all things Persian to be awed by the Spartan achievement at Thermopylae–it’s one in a long line of tales valiant warriors defending their nation from foreign invaders, and fighting to the last man. Dar’s effort to diminish this achievement was just silly, saying that IF the battle had been fought differently, then the Persians would have won easily. Of course, hypothetically speaking, anything could happen. So what? That was never the point of the story as told by Herodotus. The point is that these 300 men didn’t retreat, but fought a losing battle because they refused to give up. Did it really happen that way? Did Herodotus exaggerate the number of Persians (certainly!) and underplay the number of Spartans (likely) in order to make the battle seem grander (again, likely, but we’ve no way of knowing)? The target here in the article is Frank Miller and the crazed warmongers who are using the Thermopylae story for their own modern propagandistic devices. So trying to defend the ancient Persians’ ability in battle by pointing out differences in armor just makes the author seem like she’s attacking Herodotus and also that she’s buying into Miller’s analogy of Thermopylae with modern populations of West and East, and that it somehow diminishes modern Iranians to have people think that the Greeks were unarmored when actually they were.

    Second, the author’s defense of Cyrus the Great and the Persian Empire was scary, and with only a few name changes, could easily have come from, yes, George Bush’s administration’s defense of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Ironic, no? Dar says: “In the film, Persians constantly threaten Spartans with slavery, and yet, any honest historian knows that the Persian Empire, particularly the Achaemenid Empire, was built on a model of tolerance and respect for other cultures and religions. According to the documentary, ‘Persepolis Recreated,’ the Persian Empire is the first known civilization in the history of humankind to practice international religious freedom. Images carved on the walls of Persepolis testify how Persians interacted and conversed with nobleman of other nations respectfully and without enmity. Denying another civilization its own accomplishments and contributions to the world is like blotting them out from history altogether and rewriting one’s own prejudice version.” Actually, what “honest historians” know is that building a vast army to invade, conquer, kill, rape, and pillage peaceful tribes that are located at an extreme distance from yourself and pose no threat, is barbarous, cruel, imperialistic, and evil, and words like “tolerance and respect for other cultures” have no place in the discussion. I mean, seriously? SERIOUSLY? What part of Persia conquering other nations do you not understand? What part of Persia threatening war and rape and pillage and destruction unless the Greeks paid them a hefty and large percent of their food and supplies don’t you understand? Being forced at the point of a spear to work for others IS slavery. Are the Persians supposed to have been kindler, gentler tyrants or something? THEY were the invading force in Europe. So what if they were religously tolerant? Yes, a lot of today’s battles are fought over religion. But that happened to be one thing that wasn’t important to the Persians, as long as it didn’t interfere with their agenda of invasion and conquest. That hardly excuses their other totalitarian actions.

    While Dar’s comments about racism in the film and Miller’s jingoistic views of the Middle East and Islam are on target, these other things I’ve just described make Dar seem like an apologist for tyranny as long as it’s the Persians who are committing it. And the incorrect depiction of Herodotus that starts off the article just immediately made Dar lose credibility in my eyes, which flavored my reading of the rest of the article. I guess most readers aren’t familiar with Herodotus and Xenophon, so it’s easy to distort them, since both Frank Miller and Dar did it.

  107. Alston Adams wrote:

    @atlasien: Apocalypto = best chase scene EVER.

  108. Mark wrote:

    Aye, all these arguments can be settled with a few sentences:

    1) 300 IS a very racist film – it’s one of the only films I couldn’t watch to completion, and I am so embarrassed that it actually got good reviews.
    2) Persians and Greeks are humans too, with all their flaws and talents.
    3) Everyone was invading everyone back then, and indeed, are still doing it to this day, so you can’t call the Persians “eviler” than anyone else (or the Greeks for that matter, it was a different age)
    4) We shouldn’t like either the Greek Empire or the Persian Empire – both were empires that sought to expand their influence and power and cared little for whoever got in their way.
    5) It’s sad how many people I know believe the film to be an accurate portrayl of history.

  109. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Gillian Greenwood,

    You’re misrepresenting and distorting much of what I wrote. I didn’t say Herodotus was “suddenly” introduced in 1850. I said it became America’s leading authority on Persian history at that time. Prior to the mid-19th century, many Europeans criticized Herodotus for being biased and inaccurate. Some even went as far as to call him “the father of lies,” but much of that changed when archaeological discoveries were made, which gave Herodotus more credibility. Most of what we know from the Battle for Thermopylae comes from him, and in recent times, Herodotus is being reexamined for bias and fabrications.

    Calling my post “propaganda” is quite inaccurate and insulting because the purpose of this analysis is to expose the propaganda of “300.” I mentioned the distortion of history because it’s part of the vilification process. The difference in armor, for example, is very relevant because the film “300″ glorifies the Spartan as half-naked, buff, and beautiful soldiers compared to the Orientalist, dark-skinned, and ugly Persians. I’m not denying the achievements of Spartans and Greeks, I’m simply pointing out that distorting historical facts is a propaganda device used by Frank Miller (and if you read my post, you will see that I mention the *collaboration* of civilizations rather than the clash of civilizations).

    You wrote: “Classical scholars would laugh at Miller’s ridiculous depiction of the Persians AND the Spartans.”

    Yes, and I cited some of those classical scholars. Read the “Distortion of History” section.

    As for Cyrus the Great, I don’t see what is so “scary” about defending him, since he is also in the Bible and best known for liberating the Jews. In my previous article on “300,” I mentioned that a replica of Cyrus’ Babylonian address sits in the halls of a United Nations building in New York and is recognized as history’s first known declaration of human rights and freedom. Thomas Jefferson owned two copies of the “Cyropaedia” which was read alongside Machiavelli’s “The Prince” (the difference being that Machiavellianism called for government order that advocates fear and deception, while Cyrus the Great proclaimed that governments should be compassionate and just).

    I don’t deny that the Persian Empire was the invading force, but what I don’t appreciate is when civilizations and cultures are misrepresented.

    You wrote: “Actually, what “honest historians” know is that building a vast army to invade, conquer, kill, rape, and pillage peaceful tribes that are located at an extreme distance from yourself and pose no threat, is barbarous, cruel, imperialistic, and evil, and words like “tolerance and respect for other cultures” have no place in the discussion.”

    See, this is an over-generalization of the Persian Empire. It’s funny how you wrote this right after I cited my source via a documentary. My other sources are a couple of rebuttals written by ancient Persian scholars, including Touraj Daryaee; “Herodotus in Context: Ethnography, Science, and the Art of Persuasion” by Rosalind Thomas, and the documentary “In Search Of Cyrus The Great” by Spenta Productions. My other sources are cited in the analysis itself and the links should be available. Anyway, those are my sources, what are yours?

    Making personal attacks like I “seem like an apologist for tyranny as long as it’s the Persians who are committing it” is just really uncalled for, especially when you don’t even know me. It’s also offensive when you accuse me of creating a “dichotomy.” You accuse me of saying “before 1850, Europeans thought Persians good, and afterwards, evil.” No, that’s not what I said. That’s *your* interpretation of what I wrote. From what I understand, making personal attacks and faulty accusations makes one lose a lot credibility, not to mention respect.

    You wrote: “And the incorrect depiction of Herodotus that starts off the article just immediately made Dar lose credibility in my eyes, which flavored my reading of the rest of the article”

    That’s too bad. After you read this, I hope that you see how you misunderstood what I wrote in regards to Herodotus and the distortion of history.

  110. PatrickInBeijing wrote:

    @Mark – I agree, but the problem is that the Greeks are not being portrayed as evil Empire builders, only the Persians are. And the way in which they are being portrayed is the point of the criticisms.

    @Others – without arguing about details, what still remains with me is the overriding racist misrepresentation of Persians in the movie. And we can add the homophobia and the misogyny as well. I saw no redeeming features in the film, frankly.

    @Jess – good tips about the SF, I have read all of them, they are good to okay. And there are other authors who avoid the whole thing by having no one recognizably human (Banks does this sometimes).

    To go a bit deeper on Watchmen. I felt that the basic idea that humanity would fall apart without superheroes is a fascist idea. That as much as anything else got to me. Of course, one can argue that therefore I should hate all comics, but even within the superhero genre, there are more subtle nuances.

    (Did anyone ever see “Normalman”?)

    I always wanted someone to make a movie called “Aftermath” about the hell ordinary people lived in AFTER being saved (but being injured and having their lives destroyed in the battles). One of the interesting features of the early Superman was that they always showed him cleaning up after his battles (or sometimes). (Not to deny the many problems with that book, it didn’t happen in my America.)

  111. Sobia wrote:

    @Gillian Greenwood:

    Seeing as how Jehanzeb as addressed your critiques how do we know your version of history is not the propagandist version?

  112. Tomas wrote:

    hellenistic culture was not just “western.” The carvings of buddha all the way to Thailand is based on Ancient Greek statues. Arab muslims collected libraries of Greek scrolls of knowledge and history, while the christian empire destroyed The Great Library of Alexandria.

    Also, the spartans had practiced man-boy love as well as racial-enslavement of the Helots.

  113. Daniel wrote:

    This is a personal opinion of mine, and it may or may not relate to the demographic aspects of 300. It just seems appropriate to comment in this one, but I really think demonizing a group of people is probably one of the worst (if not wicked) forms of expressing prejudice.

    While bigotry in general is quite bad, as with other acts of hatred like slurs, demeaning humor, symbolism…demonizing people sort of takes it to another level. Not only is it robbing people of their humanity but it arouses sentiments of viewing a particular group as something that needs to be destroy, conquer, contain, etc. If people ever act out on those sentiments, most of the time they will target the most vulnerable and weak in defense.

    Although people should speak out against acts of prejudice, IMHO, demonizing people needs to get a much bigger, more visible reaction than it sometimes get. It could come from any group and happen to anyone, whether it’s blacks, whites, asians, different skin tones, ethnic groups, religions…these times with Muslims/Middle Eastern heritage individuals.

  114. Remnant Variable wrote:

    WOW! Amazing article! You are absolutely correct. There are always at least two sides to the story. When you look at the whole picture its really not about racism, nor religious beliefs, its about how we, as human beings, give in to the primal nature of our primitive part of the brain.We have hard wired our minds with this mentality since the dawn of our existence. We are no different than any other living creature on this Earth. It’s about hate, jealousy, and anger. It’s giving into that dark side of the human psyche which lead us to war with our brothers and sisters. The only way we will be able to preserve our accomplishments is to live together and set aside our differences. To realize our greatest, yet gruesome, achievement, is to plague the Earth and each other with with death and destruction. It’s time to clean up our act. It’s time to make this place a wonderful place to live for all forms of life, after all, life is an incredible, yet unexplainable, miracle. We need to stop questioning how we got here and why we are here. We are here, we always have been here, and we can always be here if we all work together. It’s time to change!

  115. ILLAMENT wrote:

    I have still yet to meet a Persian with lobster claws while riding a battle Rhino.

  116. Sylvia Witt wrote:

    This was an eye-opening post.

    When I saw “300″, I was simply awed by its cinematic brilliance in blending live-action with drawing, although I never thought it was accurate, since I studied Roman and Greek History and Literature.

    Thank you.