Racialicious at the Movies: He’s Just Not That Into You

by Latoya Peterson

You know, dear readers, I am sometimes entirely too curious for my own good.

But I’m going to blame Joseph for this latest bout of killing the cat, since it was his comment (#58) on the original HJNTIY thread that led me to the Friday matinee show.

Before I jump into my impressions of the movie, let me add a little background information. We often receive comments on Racialicious about how sometimes people just want to escape, or that movies are made for “intellectuals,” or that we critique everything and never like anything, or that we are busy judging things we haven’t seen or don’t watch or whatever.

These comments are generally incorrect. In the case of He’s Just Not That Into You :

  • I remember where this all started, as I watched Seasons 1 – 4 of Sex and the City, and sporadically finished out the rest of the series. (I enjoyed the series, glaring race and class issues aside – I just tend to lose patience with most shows after a few seasons.)
  • Not only do I remember the episode that spawned the book, I actually read He’s Just Not That Into You. The book wasn’t very memorable, but it is infinitely better than It’s Called A Break Up Because It’s Broken which made me want to gouge out my eyes with the spoon I was supposed to use to eat my break-up mandated pint of Chunky Monkey. (No, that’s in the book. The cover shot is an empty pint of ice cream.) Instead of reading that, I recommend Cindy Chupack’s Between Boyfriends. She also wrote for Sex and the City and while the book isn’t self-help, it’s probably more helpful than that mess.
  • I really enjoy escapist romantic comedies. Seriously. I deal with race, gender, class and activism all freaking day – what do you think I go home and do? All I ever want is a glass of wine and something funny. That’s all. However, I would prefer that comedy doesn’t actively insult my intelligence. (In another post, somewhere in the future, I’ll talk about one of my favorite romcoms – That’s The Way I Like It – and why it works using the romcom formula without becoming formulaic.)

So, I went to the movie cautious. While I hated the trailers, the alternate trailer (marketed to guys, natch) made the movie seem more interesting than I had anticipated. So after lunch, I suckered my boyfriend into going with me.

*WARNING: SPOLIERS AHEAD*

I settle into the theater and start watching the movie. After about fifteen minutes, I figure out that I am going to be bored and start taking notes on my cell phone.

The opening montage falls into stereotypes quickly. After the scene shown in the trailer with the little girl being pushed by the little boy on the playground, the film hops around the globe to show how women have internalized these fucked up notions of dating and romance. I quickly figured out who Tokyo Girl #1 and #2 are – they talked about men not having the emotional maturity to understand relationships, in S Cawaii/Fruits style outfits. (These two women and the guy at the fictional Baltimore Blade are the only Asians in the film with speaking lines.) African Women 1, 2, and 3 also made an appearance. They sat around in the dust, explaining that a guy hadn’t called because “he forgot your hut number” or “got eaten by a lion.”

While the film zips back to Baltimore to identify the real characters, I found myself starting to hate them all within their first few minutes on screen. Gigi (Gennifer Goodwin) would be a great Manic Pixie Dream Girl if this was a movie about a man. But since the movie revolves around her, we get to see what happens when the sparkly sidekick shimmer wears off – MPDGs just ooze desperation. I was embarrassed for her character who seemed to have read every women’s magazine on the shelf and accepted it as the gospel.

We first meet Gigi being completely overeager on a so-so date with Connor (Kevin Connolly) who leaves the date and immediately calls Anna (Scarlett Johansson) who is stringing him along, but she rushes off the phone to talk to Ben (Bradley Cooper) who is standing in the checkout line and making goo-goo eyes at her even though he’s married to Janine (Jennifer Connolly) who works with both Gigi and Beth (Jennifer Aniston). Beth is dating Neil (Ben Affleck) but hasn’t been able to walk down the aisle in seven years so she’s frustrated. You also meet Alex (Justin Long) who is a wise cracking bartender/bar owner who catches Gigi stalking Connor and Mary (Drew Barrymore), ad sales exec for the Baltimore Blade who is a friend of Anna’s. Got all that?

The movie is full of subplots, but there was one major reoccurring theme that didn’t get any billing at all: the benefits of the gentrification of Baltimore. My feelings on gentrification vs. revitalization are clear. And this movie was like an pro-gentry advertisement from the city of Baltimore. Here’s one example – Connor is a real estate agent, and there is a small subplot throughout the film where he tries to attract more gay clients for his real estate business and advertises in the Blade for “homes for your lifestyle.” Near the end of the film, Connor and Anna are walking through a quaint little neighborhood, that Connor helpfully notes is a neighborhood “in transition.” Eventually it will be a great place to live – wonder how that’s going to happen?

Minorities are literally background color – people who move through the white circles of the leads, but rarely stick. (The exceptions are Mary’s coworkers at the fictional Blade, played by Wilson Cruz and Leonardo Nam. I’ll refer everyone to Queerty’s take on those two.) When you see blacks, it’s Frangela (more on that in a bit), the black waiter serving Gigi and Connor’s table, or the black waiter who works at Alex’s bar. When you see Latin@s in the movie, they are in the Army, or working on the homes of wealthy whites who are renovating. At one point, Ben tries to blame all the “undocumented workers” currently re-doing their home for some cigarettes Janine found. Janine also speaks dismissively to Javier, the head contractor on their home, before she has a breakdown about her husband’s deception. (Javier, to his character’s credit, shows his mastery of the English language by pointing out that the question/statement Janine posed didn’t have the proper inflection to be a question, and noted her excessive use of prepositions.) Asian Americans I covered above, and everyone else may have been mixed into the panning background shots.

There was one potential interracial hook up – Alex is making out with “Hot Girl” (Annie Ilonzeh) who appears to be biracial or multiracial. Unfortunately, Gigi calls and Alex postpones the makeout session to help her out. You never see “Hot Girl” again.

While watching the movie, I also kept thinking about how I’ve seen and heard most of these tropes before…just done better in another movie. Ben is cheating on Janine with Anna. At one point, Janine heads to Ben’s office to try to win her marriage back by fucking him stupid. What she doesn’t know is that Ben was about to have sex with Anna, and pushed her into the closet when Janine knocked on the door. In a strange turn of events, Anna ends up listening to Ben and Janine have sex while she is trapped in the closet. Now, if this had been a movie from the 30s or 40s, a woman who was so brazen as to deliberately take another woman’s man would have at least made her presence known, either by directly challenging the woman or making a tearful exit scene. I kept waiting for Anna to come out of the closet in her little red dress and do something! But no – she waits patiently until they finish having sex before tearfully flying out of the closet and telling Ben to leave her alone.

The big breakup between Janine and Ben was also a rehash. After Janine discovers his hidden stash of cigarettes (no, she never finds out about the closet thing) she flies into a rage and starts throwing his stuff down the stairs of the newly renovated loft. Now, when things were being thrown down the stairs in Waiting to Exhale we all remember what happened next – bonfire! But no, Janine folds all his clothes neatly along the stairs, and writes him a nice little note saying she wants a divorce. No orange throwing. Nothing.

The movie is also laced with monologues on love, life, adultery, and the good old days of phone stalking before caller ID…only not as good as the warm, slightly awkward reflections on love featured in When Harry Met Sally. One of these monologues belongs to Frangela.

After watching the whole take, I’ll have to admit that Joe was right. Frangela’s segment felt like a part of their stand up comedy routine. An amusing rift on how men like to sneak out of relationships by employing jedi mind tricks, if I had been skimming channels and caught this on Comedy Central, I would have stopped to watch. The promo only includes the final line, which commenter Nancy explained is “Rhebbs” and some ice cream. According to Nancy, “Rhebbs is a famous Baltimore chocolate company.” After watching the whole thing, I agree partially with Joe – Frangela was just doing their act. And the act is funny. But in the context of the movie, I winced. It is exactly as commenter Devin noted – “It’s almost as if the editors thought they needed a big ol’ black moment to liven things up!” Sigh.

The movie continues on to its predictable end. It turns out the guys lied in their preview of the film, there are cheesy confessions of love at the end of the movie, as well as a meet cute moment. Dodai captured my feelings in her live blog of the film:

Ed Note: Can this movie end already? I’m sick of typing.

5:32: Justin Long has visited Ginnifer. He can’t stop thinking about her.

“When I was hurling my body onto yours, you did not seem to want to be with me,” she counters.

5:34: He says something about how he spent so much time being the one in control he forgot how it felt to fall for someone.

5:35: They kiss. Duh.

5:36: It seems absolutely UNBELIEVABLE that this movie is not over. But no. Drew Barrymore and Kevin Connolly are meeting cute at a sidewalk cafe.

AND, BECAUSE HOLLYWOOD IS FULL OF SPINELESS JELLYFISH

Affleck just proposed to Aniston.

5:37: I just heard sixty women go “awwwww”.

5:38: Except the narrator goes “maybe a happy ending doesn’t include a guy.”

5:40: Okay it’s over.

Affleck & Aniston got married on the sailboat. Of course.

Side note: They do the whole nod to the single woman by noting “maybe a happy ending doesn’t include a guy” and then directly undercut it by pushing the happy couples and the new wedding. Who knows, maybe they are trying to set Janine up for a sequel in It’s Called a Break Up Because It’s Broken.

In sum, I was barely amused and kept laughing at all the wrong parts. (Like the numerous breakdowns all the main women characters had. They dissolved into tears at the slightest provocation. I was almost glad there weren’t any lead minorities if this is how it was going to go down.).

The main message of the movie is that all women are desperate losers who need men to function, unless the guy is a cheater, in which case you dump him and seem vaguely happy to be alone and following your dreams. Kind of.

If you must go see this movie, I recommend you take at least the following:

* A flask filled with the alcohol of your choice (juice if you’re under 21 kids!)
* That one friend who cries into her mixed house drinks once a month about the same freaking man problem you’ve been dealing with since you were both sixteen. She will probably relate to the film and peg herself as a character.
* A guy you’re angry at and want to punish.
* A cell phone with good reception so you can text your snarky comments to your friends who had enough sense to stay away from this movie.

Personally, I won’t make the same mistake twice. When I take a quick break from Katsucon, I’ll be watching The Shopaholic. I’m going with Megan from Jezebel, we’re live blogging it, and she’s in charge of the liquor.

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Comments

  1. c. wrote:

    LMAO, I refuse to see this movie. A man-friend suggested I watch it, saying that’s the theme of the movie is true and is encouraging all his lady friends to see it. But, of course.

    When are ya’ll watching Shopaholic? I should come with :)

  2. Amused0472 wrote:

    You confirmed what I already knew–there’s no point in seeing this movie.

  3. Cynthia wrote:

    LOOOOOVED this movie. I think it speaks to all women, regardless of their ethnicity or relationship status and I still don’t understand why some people comment about the lack of non-white people.

    I also think the movie also reminds me of Season One SATC, when they had random characters off the street talking about relatiohship issues.

  4. Zahra wrote:

    Thanks for this review. I look forward to the That’s the Way I Like It Post.

    It seems silly that you have to defend your romcom cred, but I understand why. Has Racialicious ever done a post on good escapist romantic comedies with POC leads? There’s a bunch out there, I think (I’m Through with White Girls, Saving Face). I’d be interested in the thoughts of someone who knows the genre better than I do.

  5. talulah_m wrote:

    My boyfriend roped me into seeing Rambo with him last year, and I still haven’t had my revenge. This sounds perfect!

    …except that I’d actually have to sit through it, too. Dammit. This plan clearly needs work.

  6. imnotemily wrote:

    ahh! i would SO be ticked at you in the movies, Latoya, farting around on your distracting bright-screened cell phone during a movie… although it seems if it was this movie, I would have walked out before it became an issue…

  7. AintIAWoman wrote:

    Oh Lord. Why am I not surprised. Good luck on Shopaholic, that movie makes me want to vomit as well.

  8. Gothic Guera wrote:

    why didn’t you memention to bring a book? I would have bought one to read! so glad that my friends are going to watch coraline instead and my Mom wants to see the Curious case of Benjamin button.

  9. Eva wrote:

    @Latoya:

    Here’s the skinny on “hot girl.”

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2679753/

  10. Brooke wrote:

    I saw the movie. I really didn’t appreciate how the two big black women were used as comic relief. I saw them on a commercial for the movie and it pissed me off. But, to see it in the theatre and hear people laugh at them when one of the women said, “Get some ribs and a bucket of ice cream because you’ve been dumped” really pissed me off. And I peeped that all of the workers in that house were hispanic. SMH. The only gratification I have after seeing that movie is knowing that I didn’t pay full price for it.

  11. Allison wrote:

    Any good drinking game rules for this movie?

  12. Thea wrote:

    I LOLed at “a guy you want to punish”…

    One thing about this film that baffled me was how while the dialogue is so pushy and insistent that all women and all men behave like this, the casting choices in terms of race and class are consistently and actively trying to demonstrate that this is just a white thing. Though you can hear me talk more about that on Addicted to Race later this week… :)

    To be honest I enjoyed this movie just a little. To trick is to develop manual control of your brain and then segregate the different compartments so that you can still enjoy a movie while detesting every one of its politics.

    Ok so this may be ethically suspect.

  13. Melissa wrote:

    Oh man, this is why I generally don’t like romcoms….

    also, yaaaaay katsucon!

  14. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @c – All you need to watch is SATC. Find the he’s just not that into you ep – they sum it all up in about 30 mins.

    @Amused0472 – Yep.

    @Cynthia – The entire purpose of this site is to comment on the lack of nonwhite people in popular culture. If you are fine with things as they are, you need to frequent a different site.

    @Zahra – No, but we should. I’ll get the team on it.

    @talulah_h: ear plugs and an eye mask. Or 4 martinis before the show, up to you.

    @imnotemily – We were at the 3PM matinee show, just us and some high school kids. There was no one to the front/left/center/back/right. And my cell was silenced. You would have seen the glow, but nothing else.

    @Gothic Guera -

    I thought a book light would have been overkill. Maybe a kindle?

    @Eva – Yeah, but that’s not much info. She must be really new to the scene.

  15. Jacobus Capitein wrote:

    “There was one potential interracial hook up – Alex is making out with “Hot Girl” (Annie Ilonzeh) who appears to be biracial or multiracial. Unfortunately, Gigi calls and Alex postpones the makeout session to help her out. You never see “Hot Girl” again.”

    Unfortunately?

    This seems like a movie made by white directors, with white actors, for a white audience, with POC only being used for their inherent comedic value.

    It also seems to me that the two most prominent men of colour just happen to be gay.

    While my reaction to reading this movie might be a bit militant, I don’t understand why you would be dissappointed that this white-guy-with-hot-mixed-chick-hookup was interrupted…. considering the type of movie.

  16. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Brooke –

    Yes. It was even stranger when you contrast that with most of the white characters being into yoga/normally not seen eating. (There was the one white girl with the dip at Alex’s party…)

    @Allison –

    Good catch. I should put that open thread up tomorrow.

    @Thea –

    Yeah, but you can also enjoy the Hills and the City, which makes me want to claw my skin off. I think teh pop culturez ate your brain. :-)

    @Melissa – You going?

    @Jacobus –

    Should read “Unfortunately for her.” She doesn’t get a speaking line. PoC actors need speaking lines, if you’re going to show up, they should at least give you a little something. The black waiter got two lines. She could have had one.

  17. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    ::gives Joseph side-eye::

  18. Thea Lim wrote:

    Latoya Peterson! (if I knew your middle name I would use it) I can’t believe you would slander me in this manner! I’ve never watched The City!…even if I kinda like Whitney Port’s hairstyle. But for shame! The untruths!

  19. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Thea –

    Is it slander if it’s true? I do recall a certain defense of a certain socialite show in a certain email discussion, but maybe I’m misremembering.

    And the middle name is Denise :-)

  20. Cynthia wrote:

    @ Latoya re #14: As I’ve said months ago, I’d like to offer a different POV on this site, since it’s often one-sided. I don’t mind being criticized because of this, but I often feel that people don’t take my perspective all that seriously, or feel that it doesn’t really exist. It’s actually WORSE than your run-of-the-mill discrimination sometimes.

  21. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Latoya D! Peterson -

    Ok I said I take mild enjoyment from the Hills. But I never said nuthin’ about the City. No no, I do draw the line somewhere…

  22. Joseph wrote:

    ::Looks up from his book::

    Hm? Who? Me?

    Funny story:
    I was once stuck on an eight hour international flight and had to watch that movie where Sarah Jessica Parker tries to get Matthew McConaughey move out of his parents house…twice… and I seriously considered ending my own life.

  23. Thea Lim wrote:

    @Joseph

    Failure to Launch: I saw that movie on a plane TOO! (LDP: this movie is another example of where I draw the line)

    I only saw it once though. I tried to fit the sick bag over my head but it was too small.

  24. A.D. Nix wrote:

    African Women 1, 2, and 3 also made an appearance. They sat around in the dust, explaining that a guy hadn’t called because “he forgot your hut number” or “got eaten by a lion.”

    Jaw. drop.

    Also: Rheeeeeebs! I’ve never heard of Rhebs but it is less disconcerting than “ribs.” Just about anything would be less disconcerting.

    My suspicions about this movie have been more or less confirmed. I can’t sit and let a screen shout “You stoopid” at me for 2 hours. Sober. Or for $12. But I have to see it for my RomCom research.

    So, thank you Netflix and the New Shit Economy for obliging me to put off the pain.

  25. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Thea: Failure to Launch.

    I mean – whatever. That might be the name. Or something. I certainly haven’t seen it. Twice.

  26. thesciencegirl wrote:

    Oh, poor Cynthia, her life is so much worse than the “run-of-the-mill discrimination” the rest of us encounter because she’s challenged on an antiracist blog.

    I saw the movie on Friday night because I was curious, even though I expected its lily-whiteness to bother me. I liked some of the themes in the movie, until the super-cheesy Hollywood ending tied it all up in a neat bow. I was pretty pissed off by the whole African women scene about the hut in the beginning. I mean, really, the whole theme of only introducing non-white characters as background scenery and comic relief was really offensive to me. If you’re going to cast an all-white movie, 1. don’t set it in Baltimore, and 2. don’t bother including any minor characters of color if you’re not going to give them names, lines, or their own stories.

  27. Celeste wrote:

    If I’m interested in a movie I just read the synopsis on Wikipedia. It’s faster and less irritating. A very small redeeming thing about Failure to launch was that it was implied that Matt’s dead fiance was black. Her kid that he helped out with was black, soooo it could have been the case. Shopaholic looks awful.

  28. Winn wrote:

    @Zahra,

    I really enjoyed “I’m Through with White Girls”. It was funny and charming, with some nice understated performances. I also really like a film I saw at the Pan African Film Festival a couple of years ago, “Cordially Invited”. The film explores the culture clash between the families of a AA woman from the inner city and her privileged AA fiance on the day of their wedding. I normally stay far, far away from rom-coms, but this film was well-acted and written, and featured Emayatzi Corinealdi, who was in “Akira’s Hip Hop Shop”. Worth checking out.

    @Cynthia,

    With all due respect, the POV you so often offer here is the dominant and prevailing one in pop culture, so I don’t know that it is really necessary here. In fact, it is somewhat antithetical to the very purpose and perspective of this blog. I would think that part of what Racialicious tries to do is challenge the prevailing discourse, not be an apologist for it.

  29. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Cynthia: I’ve yet to see the movie so I can’t really argue with you but I’m curious about how you see it speaking to all women regardless of ethnicity. Do you think it actually aims to speak to them equally? Or that all women, even those whom it doesn’t portray or whose communities it portrays in ways that could be problematic, should be able to push that aside and see themselves in it?

  30. JC wrote:

    I can’t believe Cynthia just said she doesn’t get why there’s complaint about lac of POC in the movie. Right, since there’s a lot of beautiful white folks to look at, why even bother with a POC? They’ll just pay and watch the beautiful white people anyway.

    I don’t think I’ll bring my wife to watch this white movie; it sounds like the worse kind of Hollywood film – a movie which focus solely on white folks (in a majority BLACK city no less!) while perpetuate false and damaging stereotypes of white women and POC. White Men, of course, are the biggest winners, as in 99% of Hollywood films. White boys gets all the chicks! When a women of any color score a good, non-cheating White Man, they’re winners at life! Isn’t Hollywood great to white boys’ dating life?

    BTW, Latoya, I just love the fact that you’re such an otaku that you proudly proclaim that a standard mainstream lily-white romcom is just an afterthought to the main event – an anime con. Keep up the good work, fujoshi sistah.

  31. blossom culp wrote:

    I actually saw the first 20 minutes of this movie without planning to; I was waiting to see Coraline and the theater accidentally started playing this instead. So, yea, I caught the “maybe he forgot your hut number” line, ad so did an entire theater full of little kids and their parents, who all broke into uproarious laughter.

    I could totally see where people could watch this movie and find little gems of relation; I actually thought the opening with the little girl on the playground was a great intro as to why women can be clingy…we are told from little girls that boys don’t know how to express affection, so hitting us or bullying equals love. The whole idea is basically the dick in a jar thing, just for men. He’s just not that into you, until you’re the only one that’s into him. It’s meant to be misleading.

  32. Feminist Review wrote:

    Ebony has a lot of the same critiques as you do in her review on FR yesterday. She also notes that the ‘wise black woman’ role has been passed along to gay men who apparently only exist to provide straight people with a shoulder to cry on and that the desires of the women in the movie (aside from wanting to snag or keep a man) are almost non-existent.

  33. Kandi wrote:

    “The main message of the movie is that all women are desperate losers who need men to function, unless the guy is a cheater, in which case you dump him and seem vaguely happy to be alone and following your dreams. Kind of.” – Made. Me. Laugh!

    Is it bad if I go see it now? Or should I just YouTube it?

    I figured it was going to be like this. POC don’t have relationships. Heterosexuals are ‘normal’. Women are pathetic. And, when men are in control, the world is right. Yay! Must see of the year.

  34. Cynthia wrote:

    @ JC, AD Nix, et al: The movie is about relationships (or lack of relationships) and how one behaves in a relationship (or not in a relationship, but looking). I don’t see why race/ethnicity has anything to do with it. I could watch a movie in Spanish, made in, say, Argentina, with the exact same types of characters and say that I “relate” to it. One of my latest TV addictions is a Canadian show called Being Erica, about a 32 year old white, Jewish, under-achiever who gets a chance to go back to certain parts of her past to “fix things.” While I’m not white (I’m Chinese), Jewish (I’m a lapsed Roman Catholic), 32 (29), nor would I ever get a chance to go back in time, I understand where she’s coming from, and can relate to her issues. And I look nothing like her (and the Toronto of Being Erica must be somewhere in the midtown area, because her high school seems more “white” than, say, Degrassi). I’ve been posting on this board on and off for over a year, and I *STILL* don’t understand why one needs to look like characters in a movie or TV show (or even a book) to connect with them.

  35. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Cynthia: I’ve been posting on this board on and off for over a year, and I *STILL* don’t understand why one needs to look like characters in a movie or TV show (or even a book) to connect with them.

    Ok – it isn’t just about people who “look like” you being included. It’s not as benign and neutral as all that and if you think that’s the sole crux of the complaint then you’ve misread a lot of the comments.

    I think everyone here is perfectly able to enjoy entertainment that does not feature people who look like them. Hell, I’d even wager to guess that more than a few people who have problems with the dominance of whiteness in RomComs enjoy you know, foreign films, books with protagonists from other cultures maybe even documentaries about people who are not like them at all – they’re even discussed on this very site.

    The problem is that only people who look like X are allowed to be the focus of the story in films like HJNTITY. Other kinds of people may show up, but as a caricatures, or as background dressing or as part of that environment that one of the main characters is trying to make “suitable” for the right kind of people (not people like you – people like the protagonists). That is what often makes these things a bit harder to sit through. It isn’t that people are just too myopic or xenophobic to deign to enjoy entertainment that doesn’t reflect them.

    Do you not see how race and ethnicity has something to do with the fact that romantic comedies rarely feature PoC protagonists?

  36. Cynthia wrote:

    @AD Nix: I *STILL* don’t quite follow. I don’t see why, based on HJNTITY and other movies, only certain people can “enjoy” or be the focal point of a genre, just because they’re the only ones featured. Just because a town/city is predominantly ethnicity A, doesn’t mean that I can make a movie which features primarily ethnicity B. I mean, I can produce a TV show or movie, set it in Toronto (biggest ethnicity groups are Chinese and South Asians), with primarily black characters, and very few appearances of white,East or South Asians, if at all. Would that be a problem? I’m sorry, but where’s the imagination? Or do people today lack imagination that they actually need to see people who look like them?

  37. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Cynthia –

    I am going to ban you from commenting again. If it was a simple matter of people using their imaginations, then we wouldn’t have “ethnic/niche” films. We would be able to have a chick lit film based off a popular book about five Latinas green lit by an American company, instead of having to go to Mexico to get a distributor.

    We wouldn’t have 3 of 5 latina actresses approached for the film decline, not because they didn’t like the script, but because they had been advised against taking too many “latin” roles. Even if these roles were against type.

    Alyssa Valdes-Rodriguez is currently working through this process.

    We wouldn’t have black directors being angry because all the marketing department wants to do is sell them as a black director to a black audience, regardless of the great reviews the film earned or how many different audiences found themselves enjoying or relating to the characters.

    This isn’t about one movie. This is about an entire system that perpetuates the lie that white is normal, or the default, and that everyone else is othered or niche.

    And people like you help to uphold that system.

  38. A.D. Nix wrote:

    @ Cynthia: Sweet Christ. You missed the point entirely – and dismissively. I’m sure many people here are chock’a'block with imagination. Do you honestly think that’s the issue?

    Here’s a question I’d love someone with your perspective to answer: Why aren’t people of color common protagonists in romantic comedies? No, they don’t have to be. But why not? Why are only white people the focal point?

  39. Eva wrote:

    @AD Nix:
    [i]The problem is that only people who look like X are allowed to be the focus of the story in films like HJNTITY. Other kinds of people may show up, but as a caricatures, or as background dressing or as part of that environment that one of the main characters is trying to make “suitable” for the right kind of people (not people like you – people like the protagonists). That is what often makes these things a bit harder to sit through. It isn’t that people are just too myopic or xenophobic to deign to enjoy entertainment that doesn’t reflect them.[/i]

    I believe you said it right there. I don’t mind if romcoms feature white people, but why does EVERY romcom have to be about white people. The implication is that POC are some different species, who don’t have dating and relationship and marriage problems, the way white people do.

  40. ceecee wrote:

    lol Cynthia is such an entertaining person. Don’t stop posting lol

  41. Kaonashi wrote:

    I figured it was going to be like this. POC don’t have relationships. Heterosexuals are ‘normal’. Women are pathetic. And, when men are in control, the world is right. Yay! Must see of the year.

    And this is why I’m not even wasting my money on this crap, OR Shopaholic. The book was brilliant and most of the jokes are based on the fact that she’s a Brit in London. The minute they made her American and plopped her in NY I knew it would all end in tears. :(

  42. JC wrote:

    As an Asian-American I’m embarrassed by Cynthia (if she’s really Chinese). She’s part of the reasons why Hollywood and the white America-at-large believed it’s OK to mock Asians or exclude Asians, especially guys, from entertainment world. AA’s like Cynthia actually believe it’s OK to have every single romcom out there to only be about pathetic white women desiring White Men with POC as comedic sidekicks. She probably think
    the “chinky-eye” incidents are no biggies too. Sigh…

  43. Lxy wrote:

    These types of romantic comedies are always more entertaining if you watch them as self-parodies, or better yet, as anthropological studies of White Middle Class sexual mores.

    I think that an anthropologist from the distant future will have a field day analyzing cultural artifacts like _He’s Just Not That Into You_ and what it says about mainstream America and its values.

  44. Sobia wrote:

    The movie sounds terrible. Thanks for the warning :) I’ve never been one for so-called “chick flicks” anyways, and what you’ve pointed out as flaws in this film is one of the reasons.

    @ Cynthia:

    “I’d like to offer a different POV on this site, since it’s often one-sided.”

    Your POV is not balancing things out. In fact, it’s Racialicious that is balancing things out. The POV you provide is the POV of North American society and it NEEDS to be questioned and challenged. It is what we hear/see/experience all the freaking time. What you’re doing is not challenging the critiques here, rather you are just reminding me, and I’m sure others, why the critiques on Racialicious are SOOO necessary.

  45. tallulahbankhead wrote:

    I do balance the mediocrity of the film with the reality that Drew Barrymore is an executive producer of a #1 film. Yes, she is using mediocre product to leverage herself more professional power, privilege and access.

    Is this progress for women in hollywood in the sense that maybe one day in the near future Drew may produce a film that doesn’t highlight women as doormats and men as cads but as three dimensional human beings?

  46. Colleen Beach wrote:

    I saw the movie because my roommates were going and I like both them and candy and icees. That’s my only excuse.

    I didn’t laugh a once and Gigi made me want to die inside. So did Aniston’s character. The only girl I liked was Justin Long’s girl friend after the party who was playing video games and being cool and not creepy and stalker-like and they seemed to actually value each other as human beings (imagine that!).

    That being said I think Gennifer Goodwin is hot stuff, and I think Justin Long is easy on the eyes as well. So I didn’t mind their stuff if only for eye candy.

    I was pissed however that The Blade had 0 lesbians working there. 0 lesbians came to the open house. Some ladies like ladies you know! But I guess carpet munchers just aren’t fierce enough to be bothered with.

    I am going to say however that when I was going through a tough break up as stupid as It’s Called a Break Up Because it’s Broken is, it helped me out a bit (that being said I found it at the library, had a paid for it it might have been less impressive).

  47. Melissa wrote:

    @ Latoya re #16

    Oh yeah I’m going. We have weekend passes, since there are panels I want to see each day, but we won’t be there the entire time. It will be awesome. Email me if you like, I’d rather not hijack the comments, but I couldn’t find an address for you. =)

    Have fun this weekend!

  48. Nathan wrote:

    “I was once stuck on an eight hour international flight and had to watch that movie where Sarah Jessica Parker tries to get Matthew McConaughey move out of his parents house…twice… and I seriously considered ending my own life.”

    This is why those entertainment consoles that go into the back of the seat in front of you are the greatest thing to happen to aviation since the parachute.

    “…and I still don’t understand why some people comment about the lack of non-white people. ”

    Probably because its not even just a case of not having People of Colour, but that it has them and uses them as nothing but garnish, like they were seasoning instead of people.

    Thats whats so bloody disrespectful about the whole gig.

    I don’t know if casting like that is better or worse than casting only white people, period; whatever it is, it’s most definitely a travesty.

    “I think that an anthropologist from the distant future will have a field day analyzing cultural artifacts like _He’s Just Not That Into You_ and what it says about mainstream America and its values.”

    A field day, or a stroke, I wonder…?

  49. Valentina wrote:

    i am sorry to be the voice of dissent here… but i don’t think Cynthia’s said anything here to merit being banned from commenting.
    perhaps she is not acknowledging the very wide, overarching theme of whites being the focus, and POC being the charicatures that make for big ol’ laughs.
    her point may not be layered and nuanced. all she is saying is, “the romcom is white, maybe not everyone in baltimore is white but these people are, and we can all relate to their drama [a fallacy], just like we should all be able to **hypothetically** relate to the same drama in the lives of POCs”

    she thinks it is fine that the movie cast is homogenous, because in life social groups often are homogenous. and this is true. her speech is not hateful or malicious. perhaps not seeing a bigger picture, but NOT hateful and malicious.

  50. brownstocking wrote:

    Valentina, you don’t have to apologize, but did you read comment 36? Because I found it offensive, it might very well have been malicious” “I’m sorry, but where’s the imagination? Or do people today lack imagination that they actually need to see people who look like them?”

    That was offensive to me, going beyond “not getting it.” I also don’t feel she contributed to dialogue in this particular thread. She keeps harping on a miniscule point when we’re talking bigger picture/significant change needing to happen in Hollywood.

    I’m not angry, but I just don’t see her being open to what I’m saying–when I was really trying to locate myself in what she was saying–and going down an insulting road.

  51. A. wrote:

    Baww, Cynthia.

    How dare us PoC take away from your wonderful experience of being able to watch a movie and simply see PoC as benign, quiet, servant cannon fodder for white people and their ambitions. Clearly the rest of us have no ambitions or desires of our own.

    “Just because a town/city is predominantly ethnicity A, doesn’t mean that I can make a movie which features primarily ethnicity B. I mean, I can produce a TV show or movie, set it in Toronto (biggest ethnicity groups are Chinese and South Asians), with primarily black characters, and very few appearances of white,East or South Asians, if at all. Would that be a problem? I’m sorry, but where’s the imagination? Or do people today lack imagination that they actually need to see people who look like them?”

    Except that media doesn’t work that way, so before you suddenly go senile, how about picking up on the fact that PoC faces are often NOT SEEN IN MEDIA or shows like this without stereotypes or as stock characters. When you’re in a majority Black city, you should probably have more diverse representation of blacks and other PoC. However, this movie does not.

    But in all seriousness, things like this is why I don’t watch SATC. White women can totally be feminist and do the same thing as white men without having judgement cast on them, but how dare my black ass even relish the thought without being thought about as being a ‘ho’. Or even being seen as a human freaking being at all.

  52. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Valentina –

    Check comment mod policy #10. No, on it’s face, the comment isn’t so bad, just clueless. But Cynthia’s been posting to this board for well over a year and sees her self as the tireless advocate for the status quo. That’s not going to work, especially if I can predict the comment before I see it.

  53. ceecee wrote:

    @ Valentina, this is not the first time Cynthia has brought up this sort of POV. It gets tiring when each time Latoya and others have to explain to her the concept behind Racialicious and why the writers and other commenters have the Racialicious opinion and not the mainstream opinion that she has chosen to adopt.

    She’s 29 and college educated!

  54. atlasien wrote:

    Cynthia’s comments used to infuriate me. But her complaints became so tortuously bizarre — e.g. that other Chinese-Canadians were discriminating against her because she was a proud member of the Junior League — that I started viewing her as a more complex and eccentric character than a mere spokeswoman for white assimilation.

    I also thought she was broadening her comment type in past months. But now, I think that was a different person named “Cynthia”.

  55. Eva wrote:

    “Your POV is not balancing things out. In fact, it’s Racialicious that is balancing things out. The POV you provide is the POV of North American society and it NEEDS to be questioned and challenged. It is what we hear/see/experience all the freaking time. What you’re doing is not challenging the critiques here, rather you are just reminding me, and I’m sure others, why the critiques on Racialicious are SOOO necessary.”

    Correct. It sounds like in this movie POC are used as “seasoning” but not part of the main course of the dinner. That’s my issue. If there were just as many romcoms starring POC, then I would not have a problem with this movie, but there aren’t so I do.

  56. teminator wrote:

    I was one of the unfortunate masses who got went to this movie out of a misguided sense of interest. I too came out upset by the “silly desperate women” themes that are endemic to the entire rom-com genre and played appallingly for laughs in HJNTINY. However, I was “pleasantly” surprised because I actually felt that there were more black people in the scenery in this movie than I can recall seeing ever; they were in lines, at restaurants and the grocery store/pharmacy, etc. if I recall correctly. They weren’t all manual labourers and the fat comedy duo either and I seem to remember them being all shades of the black spectrum.

    Is it weird that I noticed this and saw it as a good thing?

    In a way, I felt that the presence of so many black people showed/highlighted that the movie was set in Baltimore and though they didn’t really have speaking parts it still resonated with me enough that I commented on it to my sister while watching the movie and afterwards.

  57. JC wrote:

    Maybe the white residents of Baltimore lobbied for this movie to be set in their city so the white folks who watched “The Wire” won’t be afraid of going to Baltimore anymore.

  58. Nelly wrote:

    JC, your comment made me laugh out loud! I hate to use that cliche, but it did. It also reminded me of something else. I read a lot of film/tv industry websites. I remember an article where politicians/city officials were lamenting the end of “The Wire.”

    Their reasoning: “The Wire” had brought so much attention to the city, and they were really worried about the negative financial impact. To my surprise, the “financial impact” didn’t just mean technicians and crew members losing their studio jobs. They were referring to tourism as well. I kept thinking to myself, “How in the heck did “The Wire” increase tourism in Baltimore?!?!”* But, somehow it did. Although, there probably isn’t a great overlap between “The Wire” fans and – say – Drew Barrymore fans!

    *And, I don’t mean this as a knock on Baltimore at all; I love that city.

  59. Rchoudh wrote:

    “I’m sorry, but where’s the imagination? Or do people today lack imagination that they actually need to see people who look like them?”

    I would take this question and throw it right back at Hollywood moviemakers and mainstream American audiences. Doesn’t anyone crave for diversity in entertainment? It would make movies, TV shows, books, and other forms of media so much more interesting and thought provoking for all involved. But as long as audiences (and movie makers) refuse to think and experience life outside the box, we’ll be stuck with the “default” representations of life, which is overwhelmingly white.

  60. JC wrote:

    @Nelly
    Did you meant to say The Wire” increased or decreased tourism in Baltimore? I would have guessed that the show would have an negative impact on (white) tourism.
    @ Rchoudh
    Imagination and Creativity left Hollywood many, many moons ago. Diversity means an Obama t-shirt, not casting non-pink-skinned folks in their precious “investments”.

  61. G.K. wrote:

    @ A,Sobia,Latoya, JC,ceecee & atlasian—-y’all hit the nail right on the head. When I’ve seen the trailers for this movie (there’s also been a trailer featuring just the male characters talking, a sure sign that marketing of the film is not being targeted just at women, which I found interesting considering it’s the type of film that ’s usually called a “chick flick”) sure enough it looked as if the book had been turned into some silly,cliched men-are-from-Mars-women-are-from-Venus stereotypical romcom.

    I haven’t seen the film yet, and I know you can’t always judge a movie by its trailer, but from what those on this board who have seen it said, it seems like the whole point of the book, HE’S JUST NOT THAT INTO YOU was completely lost on its makers. I actually enjoyed the book and its follow-up IT’S CALLED A BREAKUP because the message I got from both books was that a women has to learn to value your own self-worth as a person, and learn to recognize/admit when a relationship has to be cut loose, and not being so desparate to be part of a couple that you let a toxic relationship define you—things a lot of women really NEED to hear,I believe. It dosen’t sound like the film is even trying to convey that message,though

    @Cynthia

    Basically,it’s like this—-99% of romantic comedies and practically EVERY damn movie coming out Hollywood is always about white people,bar none. Apparently you don’t see a problem with that because you identify with a completely white viewpoint on things, and obviously race hasn’t been that much of an issue for you in Canada, but being part of a minority here in the U.S. means you always have to look hard as hell for an accurate reprensentation of yourself onscreen,especially when there’s very little of it. I find it hard to believe that you’re never ONCE looked at a film and wished that it could about somebody that looked like you for a change. Granted,you say you’re around people that look like you all the time, but then, that’s something you’ve been able to take for granted—especially if you’re never had to fight for any kind of representation in the media—which is something black/Asian/Latino/Native American/biracial people have ALWAYS had to do since we’re been in this country from day one.

    Seeing black people (in my case) onscreen and being the main focus of a film for a change dosen’t have a damn thing to do with lack of imagination—it’s the fact that for virtually most of the 20th century, we had virtually NO control over the nasty,hateful racist images of us thrown on the siver scren, or in the media in general, which was used to justify the worst racism and hate toward us. THAT’S why it’s important for us to see ourselves on screen. In reality, not EVERY woman can relate to HJNTIY or SATC, for that matter, because NOT every women is white or rich and we do not ALL have the same issues. I deal with issues as a blak women that NO white woman will ever have to deal with (like my hair, whether I got turned down for a job simply because I live in Detroit and not the suburbs,etc.) It’s Hollywood that has the severe lack of imagination because they think that ONLY white people’’s lives/loves/issues are the only ones worth making movies about. Seriously,you’re got it twisted—after a year on this site, I still don’t understand why you can’t see our point of view—and your point of view, in all honestly, is very one-sided in that you consistantly act as if race is no big deal anytime,anyplace,anywhere for ANYTHING. If you come down here and live in the States for awhile,maybe you’re have a better understanding of why that is. I suggest you do some black history reserach since it’s Black History Month (yay!)

  62. G.K. wrote:

    Ooops–I meant black history research–this my favorite month of the year!

  63. Nelly wrote:

    According to that article, “The Wire” actually increased tourism in Baltimore.

  64. Nelly wrote:

    According to that article, “The Wire” actually increased tourism in Baltimore. I only skimmed it, so I don’t know if it was mentioned how tourism was impacted racially. I guess people – in general – are really curious to know how realistic the show is/was, or something!

  65. Nathan wrote:

    “@ Rchoudh
    Imagination and Creativity left Hollywood many, many moons ago. Diversity means an Obama t-shirt, not casting non-pink-skinned folks in their precious “investments”.”

    I remember having a rant about something similar to this in regards to more recent war movies compared to old war movies, and how as more time went on, Hollywood was steadily squeezing other allied nations more and more out of the picture. Whereas once they would make a big ensemble movie of D-Day and show things from all sides, nowadays … haven’t seen anything in the last decade that is particularly encompassing.

    I know, its not a racial issue (please don’t think I’m trying to put this on a par with people of colour being squeezed out of roles), but I think it does speak to the growing exclusiveness of Hollywood, in what I see as a marketting desire to make sure everything is targetted at the dominant majority in an uncreative, unscrupulous way to stretch their marketting dollars.

    And I suspect it doesn’t work half as well for them as they think it does.

  66. Sobia wrote:

    @G.K.

    Cynthia has painted an inaccurate picture of Canada. Although we are lucky to have shows like Little Mosque on the Prairie things here aren’t that much better. As a Canadian I can tell you we have our representation issues as well. I just wanted to clarify that point. I’d hate to have people assume, based on Cynthia’s view, that minorities have it so much better in Canada to the point that we don’t even recognize racism. I’m really not sure where she’s coming from.

  67. Urban Sista wrote:

    Ditto @ Sobia. As a Black person living in Canada, we have just as many issues and concerns when it comes to racism and lack of representation. Also, American pop culture plays into Canadian pop culture — we see your TV shows, movies, etc — so many Canadians, who use popular culture as a yard stick to measure PoC have the same skewed ideas of PoC as Americans. Don’t get it twisted.

  68. [dave] wrote:

    “Maybe the white residents of Baltimore lobbied for this movie to be set in their city so the white folks who watched “The Wire” won’t be afraid of going to Baltimore anymore.”

    @JC: I just spat coffee out of my mouth. Thanks for that.

  69. Jay wrote:

    I find Cynthia’s comments rather odd.

    She encounters these issues in her publishing career, and she claims she can’t make the protagonist of her first book non-white because white people can’t relate to it and it won’t sell, but then she turns around and says that people can relate to protagonists that aren’t of their own race – so which is it anyway?

    (Latoya made the point about ethnic niche films/books already.)

    Anyways, this is systemic, and there are many many many examples of this in all sorts of media.

  70. Whitney wrote:

    I saw this, and didn’t like it much. It was mediocre. Meh.It made men look like assholes, and women like pathetic shrews who need a man to be happy.

    Speaking of Baltimore, however, I love that city. I had the privilege of living there for a month when I was in high school and a part of why I loved it is because it was so diverse (much different than my hometown) and the people there were so *friendly.* In other big cities, they just seemed annoyed or angry, but in Baltimore, people would smile at each other in the streets. Anyways, the Baltimore in the movie isn’t the Baltimore I remember and fell in love with. That’s what bothered me the most, on top of what others commented on. And the thing is, wasn’t this originally a self-help book without fictional characters? So seriously, why were the characters all white? Gah.

  71. Joe Barry wrote:

    I cannot just say that its a good movie neither say that its a bad one!.The selection of actors was good.But I felt as if the storyline was a bit complicated (and boring too).I felt like I am watching an episode of FRIENDS.My average rating would be 6/10.Overall its an average movie which MAY BE WATCHED but its not so entertaining