The Return of Mona: Race and Friendship (The Sequel)

by Guest Contributor Tami, originally published at What Tami Said

Remember my ex-friend “Mona?” I wrote about our “breakup” in a post called “Race and friendship:”

    The social construct we call race is complicated, but there are a few things about it that I know to be true. One thing is that everyone who grows up in this country absorbs some prejudice–everyone, no matter their race. Also, many people have no real relationships with anyone outside of their own culture. Most racial misunderstandings are borne of ignorance not malice. As a woman of color, I try to keep that truth in mind. Nevertheless, last year I lost a good friend. And our parting can be blamed on race–biases that I felt my friend was unwilling to examine and that I was unable to forgive.

    There were other strains on my end of our friendship. My friend, let’s call her Mona, could be overbearing and self-centered, and she possessed a frankness that sometimes crossed the line to rudeness. But to be honest, that was part of her charm. When we met, we were both working for a large public relations agency. I liked Mona the minute I met her. I have a soft spot for misfits, and she didn’t fit in with the agency types–those skinny, stylish girls with their Kate Spade bags and rich daddies. Neither did I. Mona was smart, loud, sassy and a little hippie dippy. She liked to talk about past lives and “bad energy,” and she would rail against the patriarchy and “the man.” While I philosophically talked about politics, she would get in the trenches and volunteer to help Democratic campaigns in other cities. Mona and I became good friends.

    It occurred to me sometimes that my friend’s “power to the people” ideology was somewhat theoretical. I knew she had other friends of color, but I also knew that they were like me–educated and assimilated–friends who could slip easily into the mainstream. But aren’t we all most comfortable with people who share our interests, values and likes? Race was not a precious topic between Mona and I. We discussed it openly. I explained the black women and hair thing. She talked about what it was like as a white woman to date black men. Then something changed.

    About a year and a half into our friendship, Mona moved away to Washington, D.C. and I gradually began to sense that life in that black city was changing my friend. She seemed hardened and less tolerant. Maybe for her, familiarity bred contempt. Estrangement began with a comment here and there. There was the remark about a colleague that was a black woman but really sharp and pretty. Then something about how she usually didn’t get along with Jewish women. Then, Katrina happened.

    I was horrified watching civilization fall apart in New Orleans–people begging for water, bodies floating, towns keeping neighbors from crossing bridges to safety, the media labeling American citizens “refugees,” and our president congratulating the inept crony who failed to grasp the magnitude of the whole disaster. In the aftermath, I talked to Mona on the phone. “Yeah, I sent money to the animal shelters down there,” she said, adding “but I didn’t send any money to those fucking people.”

    Those fucking people. Her words felt like a slap. I wondered if she meant those fucking poor people or those fucking black people. I didn’t like it either way. I realize that internal and external factors affect one’s situation in life. But those desperate people on my television set didn’t need a lecture or contempt. They needed compassion. Though I sat warm and safe in a home more than 1,000 miles north of the Gulf, I identified with the Katrina survivors–those forgotten and inconvenient black people. And I felt attacked by my friend’s inhumane position. We spoke for a long time that evening about poverty and race, but Mona failed to muster much sympathy for the victims of the hurricane. I hung up the phone feeling anxious and sad.

    Some people would have ended the relationship there, I know. But I knew Mona as a friend who had always been generous, supportive and good to me. Her recent comments didn’t square with the person I had known for years–the good liberal who had a guru and took annual treks to commune with nature in the mountains. We spoke sporadically over the following months, then it ended with one last phone call. We were speaking on the run, as long-distance friends often do. I was in the drive-thru at the neighborhood Dairy Queen and Mona was running some errand hundreds of miles away, annoyed she said by D.C.’s celebration of “fucking” Emancipation Day, a commemoration of the day the city’s slaves were freed. “Everything is closed. It’s ridiculous!” She said. “Between this, the Duke case and Don Imus, I’m getting really sick of this shit.” I didn’t have to ask what shit that was.

    I ended that conversation quickly and I haven’t spoken with Mona since, though she has left a few messages. I just let the figurative and literal distance grow between us. I feel like a coward for not confronting her and telling her why we can’t be friends. Maybe she agrees. Maybe she was finding our discussions about race difficult and frustrating. I never asked. I feel guilty, like I betrayed people of color by not getting angry, not slamming the phone down at the first sign of my friend’s prejudice, not immediately thinking Mona was a bad person–a racist. But what would that have solved? I am old enough to know that a lot of good people have screwed up beliefs about other races. You don’t educate people and change minds by walking away. But I did walk away. It’s just easier not to talk about race, isn’t it?

    I don’t hate Mona. In fact, as I write this, I feel a little protective, like I’ve painted her too negatively. In addition to doing the things that ended our friendship, Mona wrangled the photographer at my wedding, listened to me kvetch and moan when corporate life got to me, stayed on the phone with me during a late night hysterical drive from Chicago to Atlanta (don’t ask), called herself my husband’s “football wife” because she likes to talk about the NFL as much as he does. She did a lot of good things. And I miss her. I tried to understand her. I tried to educate her. I just couldn’t accept feeling that someone who was dear to me held my people in disdain, even as she called me friend.

    I wish race weren’t so damned complicated.

Reading this post again, I am struck by how I have evolved over the past two years.

I had coffee with Mona two days ago. She called to say she was in town for a conference. We should do dinner, she said. I was ambivalent. Nearly two years of distance had erased any longing I had for our former friendship, but the wounds of her racist comments were as fresh as the day they were inflicted. Racism can be like that. It’s poison spreads to obliterate good memories. But I agreed to meet in the cafe in the building where I work.

We fumbled for conversation.

“So, how have things been?”

How do you catch someone up on two years of personal happenings, workplace drama and general trivia?

“Oh, fine.”

Mona and I could always talk about politics. We are both political junkies. Both Democrats. She has worked on The Hill and currently lives in D.C. I used to love hearing from her what was going on inside the Beltway. I asked how it felt to be in the thick of things during the inauguration.

My former friend rolled her eyes. “I left town. I hate that piece of shit Obama.”

That pronouncement began a vitriolic monologue in which I learned that Mona was a P.U.M.A. I also learned that I had not misjudged the level of her racial prejudice. I had hoped it would be better–that I had misunderstood her somehow and that the Mona who was the first to learn when my then-boyfriend bought my engagement ring would show up.

“Oh, but you should have come for the inauguration. It would have been a nice moment for YOU.”

I steered the conversation to a safe zone–work. And after less than an hour, our meeting was done. So, too, is our friendship.

Race and sisterhood: I’ve written about these topics many times over the last year. In the heated days of the 2008 Presidential Campaign, I debated, attacked, cajoled and found resolution online with many anonymous “sisters” who seemed a lot like Mona. Why, then, won’t I try to heal a relationship with a woman I’ve actually met–a friend with whom I’ve gossiped, hung out and shared secrets?

Because it is one thing to debate a commenter on a feminist blog. I am not invested in whether Anonymous #5 respects me as a black woman. We can agree to disagree. But I need more from my friends.

You know, I’ve been thinking about the Paul Laurence Dunbar poem “We Wear the Mask” since it came up during my podcast a few weeks ago. As an African American woman, I wear a mask everyday, from the time I leave the house before 7 a.m. until the time I come home. I censor. I hide. I edit. I temper. That’s just what black folks do to make it. But I am nearly 40 and the mask is getting heavy and stifling. I need to breathe. I breathe on this blog. And I breathe in my private time. I don’t need more relationships that force me don that damned mask. So, Mona and I are through. And I don’t feel guilty. I don’t feel longing for a lost friendship. I don’t feel bad at all.

This story isn’t so complicated. It’s not even so much about race. It’s about self-respect. And I intend to keep mine.

We Wear the Mask

We wear the mask that grins and lies,
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—
This debt we pay to human guile;
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,
And mouth with myriad subtleties.

Why should the world be over-wise,
In counting all our tears and sighs?
Nay, let them only see us, while
We wear the mask.

We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries
To thee from tortured souls arise.
We sing, but oh the clay is vile
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;
But let the world dream otherwise,

We wear the mask!

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Comments

  1. Medea wrote:

    Oh, no–I’m sorry you finally lost a changed friend. When I saw the graphic I anticipated a happier ending.

  2. susan wrote:

    All I can say is, I identify. Been there.

    I’m new to your blog and I certain after reading this, I’ll be a regular reader.

  3. Aris wrote:

    Wow. I hate to say this but stories like this makes me kind of afraid to make friends with non-blacks :(

  4. Minotaar wrote:

    This is definitely a tough spot to be in. Comments like this relating to Asian Americans ruined my friendship with someone I knew from grad school. According to her, Asians angry at being called Orientals are “finding ways to be offended”. And she’s half Chinese. But apparently being from Georgia and half Irish overrides that.

    What I wonder about is what this does to white-white friendships. Do white people lose friendships with other white people over racism? Obviously some dont. But what is that grey area like? My curiosity disgusts me a little. Sort of like wondering what a pimple looks like when it gets popped, or what a person inside a totally crushed car looks like.

  5. Jess wrote:

    This was a really moving piece.

    I feel bad for both Tami and Mona. Tami because she had a friend who had a lot of good qualities and much in common. Mona because somewhere along the line she had this big ol’ hunk of prejudice that she let take over an otherwise charitable nature.

    I’ve seen stuff like this occasionally, and it always baffles me. I knew a woman I worked with who was so happy Hillary was in the running for the nomination, and was so, so disappointed that she wouldn’t vote for Obama — even though it made no sense logically.

    Maybe something sort of like that happened here? The idea that familiarity might breed contempt is worth exploring. There wasn’t any indication of Mona’s upbringing (did Tami know much about it?) so it’s hard to say.

    I think it’s interesting that the reason that my sister and I were able to think about race in a way that is deeper than our parents’ is partly because my parents said that a) race jokes were unacceptable in our house, period and b) racial slurs got you a slap. NQA.

    Later on, when I was a pre-teen and able to figure out why my parents were so adamant, it was rea;ly simple: don’t say hurtful shit about people because you wouldn’t like it either, and my mother being the target of such slurs when she was a kid made it doubly hurtful. Being around a pretty diverse group as a kid — non-whites weren’t unusual in that part of Massachusetts by that time — also helped.

    Mona, perhaps, like a lot of white liberals, may not have had that experience. Maybe she’s a first-generation liberal. I don’ know.

    But her behavior just plain saddens me.

  6. jstele wrote:

    Mona was clueless. I would think the unanswered messages and span of time would get her to think about why there was a distance. Some people are just blind to their own faults. In her mind, she probably thinks that she is a good liberal. Well, maybe this is the wakeup call that she needed.

  7. Isabel wrote:

    Reading the first part made me very sad for you, and also somewhat shocked at your ex-friend. I’m glad you found personal closure. My mum had a friend who cautioned her, when she heard where my mum was thinking of moving, to avoid the north part of that neighborhood “because that’s where all the Jews live.” My mother replied, “Yeah. And I’m married to one of them” (which was true) and hasn’t spoken to her since. She knew she was making the right call but it was still hard, and she still felt as though she’d been slapped in the face (though now, like you, she doesn’t miss her friend at all).

    that’s a great poem, by the way.

  8. atlasien wrote:

    PUMAs… what a bunch of nasty-ass losers. Ugh!

  9. Michelle wrote:

    Good for you for walking away from that negativity.

    People have to open their own minds.

  10. ceecee wrote:

    I can relate to the mask wearing piece. It’s tiring to keep the mask on with people you consider your friends and sometimes you just have to let go.

  11. AnnaBella wrote:

    Very powerful post. I had never read the original, but both highlight struggles I think lots of us deal with; that is, learning where to draw the line with someone you care (or previously cared) about, and wondering afterward if you ought to have acted differently. At least it sounds like you have your answer!

  12. Nina wrote:

    Yes. That is exactly where I am. I am tired of wearing the mask. Not only of being the one who doesn’t go for the jugular at the thoughtless comments of coworkers. But also the mask I wear to fit in with other minorities where I am, hiding that I come from a different background and culture and class so they don’t spend too much of their time trying to “cut me down to size”.
    I’m 38 and would rather be alone and happy with my own company than continue to wear a mask to get along with people who probably aren’t worth getting along with.

  13. Rachel wrote:

    @Minotaar:
    You asked, “What I wonder about is what this does to white-white friendships. Do white people lose friendships with other white people over racism?”

    I’d like to answer you: Yes. Some do. I’m one of them – I have cut off relationships with white friends who I believe are racist.

  14. [dave] wrote:

    Man, I thought that was going to end happily too, although now that I look back at the picture its more clearly of someone letting go…

    I’ve cut plenty of people loose for bigotry. There were a few that I liked so much before I found out they were bigots that it was hard to do that actively, so I just sort of let them drift. I think its easier to try and school a friend when the reason you’re so appalled isn’t a direct part of you. I remember a few years ago I was watching “Girlfight” with a friend that I’d known for several years, and at the end he said something about how women shouldn’t be boxers because they weren’t suited for it. Even though Michelle Rodriguez couldn’t knocked him out in minutes. I gave him so much Feminism 101 and beyond for AGES until he realized he’d been a fool, but if I’d been a woman I might have just been so pissed at him that I wouldn’t have been able to put in the time. Not applicable everywhere, but it seemed helpful at the time.

  15. j wrote:

    kudos to you for refusing to wear the mask! (especially with friends). i’ve had a few situations like this myself, and it makes me wonder: did mona’s racism really emerge over the years of your friendship or did you also become less tolerant of it as you grew older? granted, i’m sure you both changed somewhat over time. but one thing i noticed with myself is how much less willing i am, now as a black woman in my mid-thirties, to brush off some of the crap that i would have put up with ten or fifteen years ago.

    by the way, that last comment from mona about Obama really stung. i’m not a huge fan of Obama, but daaaamn!!! WTF! i give you props for not losing it over that one. you got composure, girl. keep it up!

  16. Monie wrote:

    I just wonder if people like Mona are so clueless partly because they have Black friends/ acquaintances who don’t actually call them on their racist words and attitudes.

    It feels like there should be an epilogue to this story.

  17. Daomadan wrote:

    “What I wonder about is what this does to white-white friendships. Do white people lose friendships with other white people over racism?”

    Yes. I had a friend furious with me after he went on a rant about “all the Mexicans in Texas and he was the only white guy” and I called him out on it. He’s one of a few people who I refused to continue a friendship with due to their racism because they just didn’t get it. I think they were all genuinely surprised that they were with a group of white people, a “safe” group, and someone called them out on their racism.

  18. Kay wrote:

    @Minotaar: I am a white woman who lost a friendship with another white woman in part due to my frustration with some racist comments of hers. However, I think my situation with my friend is fundamentally different than Tami’s because I am white. My friendship could have fallen apart similarly over other another set of social justice issues, like if my friend had been transphobic. My friend seemed hypocritical to me and I was disappointed in her, but she was not attacking me or ignorant of issues that affect me.

  19. Kay wrote:

    My last line came out wrong–racism ‘affects’ everyone in a society, whether you have the privilege to ignore it or not. What I meant was that as a white person, racism is not directed towards me, so when another white person says something racist, they don’t mean it to be “about” me and might be looking for me to nod in agreement. I don’t think the dynamic would have been the same with my friend if I weren’t white.

  20. Kavita wrote:

    very honest, insightful piece. definitely articulated feelings/experiences i’ve had before. you can constantly prepare yourself for racism from the general public but when it comes from a friend, it can really be a surprise slap in the face. i’ve got a girlfriend i’ve known since jr. high and who is in my circle of close friends, but who i keep at just a little more distance. when i think about it, a lot of that has to do with our disagreements regarding race. i can’t take the mask off around her without it getting uncomfortable, so i don’t let her get that close. its sad but racism is a poison, and as WOC we have to arm ourselves enough everyday. i’ve got to be able to take off the armor around my girls–if you can’t breathe around them, when can you breathe?

    as to whether white people lose friends over racism, i think some do. my mother did. and i’ve seen my best girlfriend cut off people for racist comments, and express the same frustration and disappointment that i feel when someone close says/does something ignorant. honestly i think it just comes down to how down they are–how important racial justice is to them, because if they really feel it, they can’t put up with that ish same way we (POC) can’t.

  21. A.D. Nix wrote:

    This story isn’t so complicated. It’s not even so much about race. It’s about self-respect. And I intend to keep mine.

    Elegant. And helpful.

    I am shocked and appalled at Mona’s face-to-face gall. Not because the ideas are all that shocking but because she was asking for friendship while offering indelicate kicks to the gut (and seemingly without any hesitation). It seems clear that she knew that what she was saying was aggressive, offensive and hurtful. That’s gross.

    I haven’t had a friend like this as an adult but I have a Friend of a Friend who is . . . very Mona-like. Let’s call her Sam. Sam has said some serious shit. And the friend through whom I know her has told me about some of the extremely racist delights she’s doled out in my absence.

    I made it known to the friend that as long as she was friends with Sam, I would not be able to consider her as much of a friend. “You are the company you keep.” They were in the middle of an unrelated falling out (racism aside Sam is kind of an asshole) so, their friendship cooled.

    Two months later, Sam is involved in a scary situation and stays with the friend for the night. I had no problems with that and would have taken Sam in myself, no questions asked. Six months on, Sam is still with volatile boyfriend and Sam and friend are friends – not weekly outing friends, but good friends. Not sure where to take it next.

    @Aris: Don’t be afraid but pick carefully. I’m black and I have black “friends” (not my closest) who are classists, one who is a woman suffering under the spell of balls out misogyny (we can’t even talk about dating anymore) and another who thinks any man who is kind is gay and any man who is gay wants to be her pet. There are things other than race that can complicate friendships.

  22. pumpkin wrote:

    I’ve had problems like this with homophobic, racist, or misogynistic remarks made by friends. The question is whether you think that they are remarks based in ignorance – I’ve had comments come from people who just really don’t have much contact with people who aren’t like them or have been brought up with very traditional gender roles, including views on sexual orientation. Those people I tend to confront – challenging why they think it. Often they just haven’t challenged their own upbringing or assumption.

    Then there have been Mona-type situations where you realise that this is deep-rooted and just full-on bigotry. This situation reminds me of a problem my boyfriend had with a colleague who, it turns out, had a serious problem with people from a certain part of the world. He, like Mona, was hardened and made less tolerant by living in a city where he was not part of the demographic or cultural majority. My boyfriend persisted with trying to challenge and change him, but my feeling was to cut him loose. We’d challenged him on his racial views and he showed no signs of changing. Luckily we moved away and that friendship was able to drift away.

    It just is so painful, because you also feel you’ve misjudged yourself – why did I not know this person was like that? You did the right thing.

  23. Kenny Darter wrote:

    Daomadan – sometimes white-white relationships crash and burn because of race. Some white people think they can bust on a person of a different race in front of other white people because all whites agree that mocking non-whites is funny. I’ve seen this tear relationships apart, and for good reason.

  24. Jess wrote:

    In light of the mod note next up, can I say that all the stuff here so far (I’m not the moderator) has been really cool to read?

    To answer Minotaar (late) — I knew two guys worked with some time back. Both were white dudes the same age, and both were NYC-area people. (One from LI and the other a Bronx/Manhattanite).

    The first I could still be friends with, though we haven’t spoken in a bit. He was a conservative guy but willing to think things through.

    The second was a more liberal guy, but seemed sometimes less able to think through some of his positions.

    Guess who was the worse racist?

    Now, Sept. 11 figures into this. Guy #1 vented anger, but was willing to listen when I told him that what happened saddened me rather than angered. (All of us, New Yorkers all, were living in London at the time).

    Guy #2 managed to get us into a bar fight with a Pakistani, and continually would antagonize South Asians wherever possible. I told him I liked him and was loyal enough that I would defend him (I’m a trained fighter and he isn’t) but I didn’t have to like it.

    Guy #2 said he would never visit a Muslim country, and said things that were…. scary.

    Guy #1 — less liberal, remember — at least was better when he calmed down and told Guy #1 he was being a jerk more than once.

    I stopped speaking to #1 and kept having the occasional beer with #2. Can you see why?

  25. Maria_Elena wrote:

    It is my theory that Mona, or people who act as she did, are not clueless about their bigotry. While some people can lack experience and can therefore lack empathy because they are privileged, none of us live in a vacuum. It is my feeling that Mona knew what she was saying and said it anyway, not caring about your feelings. How could she not have known this could be hurtful to you? You said:

    My friend, let’s call her Mona, could be overbearing and self-centered, and she possessed a frankness that sometimes crossed the line to rudeness. But to be honest, that was part of her charm.

    And I understand that you respect her, so I don’t want to judge her harshly on your behalf, but at some point she just gave up on reining in her hateful thoughts and gave into them likely because she went unchecked by others around her. In the end, I think it boils down to her not being a good friend to you. And while I don’t believe it is your place to play race police at every god-damned turn, (exhausting) mightn’t it give you closure to write out your thoughts about the turn in your friendship and send it to her?

    I say this because I too have had a similar experience with a (white) friend. I invited her to stay in the city at my home during a college break, and walking up to my building, she turned to me and said, “Your family isn’t only going to be talking in Spanish the whole time I’m there, right?” in a disdainful tone. Although my family have been Americans for longer than she and her parents have been around, (and she’d already met them!) it was the beginning of the end, and I have not yet told her why I let the distance between us grow. I still mourn the end of our friendship a little, and I think I still don’t have the words to tell her how her rudeness and presumptuousness as a guest coming into someone else’s home, and her unchecked willingness to accept stereotypes have poisoned our friendship.

    Thank you for sharing this with us. I think friendship and race are very interesting and complex topics, and I enjoy discussing them.

  26. 9jah wrote:

    @ A.D. Nix -

    I would maintain the friendship. I see myself much like Mona in that I would maintain a friendship with a person who otherwise was a positive force in my life if I had enough grace to stomach it. So long as I am not an ENABLER. I may serve as a check to her where there otherwise may not be one.

    Regardng your friend, assuming she is not an enabler and can stomach it as it does not speak directly to her experience, she might be useful over time as a check on the racist

  27. Big Man wrote:

    Good read. I feel you on the masks in private. It’s too much work to keep up the charade. I don’t like having to think that much about what I’m saying and what impression it’s giving people about every other black person on the planet.

  28. Tami wrote:

    Thank you all for your wonderful comments.

    Diverse friendships are important and enlightening and should be encouraged, BUT…It occurs to me–after writing this post and thinking about the lone Asian kid in the infamous Miley Cyrus photo–that interracial relationships can be fraught with challenges. There is often a bit of “masking” required on the part of the friend of color. And there seems to be extra responsibility placed on the FOC to teach should any racial issues arise.

    Monie said:

    “I just wonder if people like Mona are so clueless partly because they have Black friends/ acquaintances who don’t actually call them on their racist words and attitudes.

    It feels like there should be an epilogue to this story.”

    You’re probably right. But I know in past experiences not as egregious as this one, my tendency has been to let friendships die if the balance between comraderie and teaching is off. No confrontation. I sort of just move that person to a different space in my head, where the chance of a deep friendship isn’t possible. It’s like a mental note: “Oh, you belong over THERE and not HERE.” That wasn’t so easy to do with a closer friend.

    If I may be self-serving: I think I’m going to have a discussion about this article and the broader issue of race and friendship during my next podcast, 4 p.m., Sunday, Feb. 18. I’m looking for one more panelist and will be taking calls live. If anyone is interested, e-mail me through my blog.

  29. JenniferRuth wrote:

    @Minotaar:
    “What I wonder about is what this does to white-white friendships. Do white people lose friendships with other white people over racism?”

    I’m white and I once cut someone out of my life because they said something really racist. It is more difficult at work since you have to see the same people every day, but I have also confronted racism in the workplace.

    To be honest, I think overt racism is easier to confront when you are white than it is to confront the more subtle forms. Like, for instance, one of my little brothers and some friends have used the word “nigger” not as an insult, but as a joke – sometimes directed at white people, sometimes at black people as an “ironic joke”. It really, really winds me up, but it is hard to explain to a white person that what they are doing is racist and not fail under a barrage of “it’s just a joke, i’m not a racist, i have black friends!”
    When something truely hateful is said, the white person knows exactly what they meant. You can call them on it. But when they think they are being ironic/funny/post-racial/whatever? I been involved in some *massive* arguements for calling it out as racist.

    I still always confront it.

  30. Daomadan wrote:

    Kenny: Exactly. I’ve also found that with groups of people who are all straight that they feel they can joke about gayness or LGBTQ people, whether ironically or not, and think they can get away with it. I always have to remind them that I’m queer and that I don’t appreciate the stereotyping. It’s a completely different dynamic than when I’m with a group of all LGBTQ people.

  31. thesciencegirl wrote:

    I love this post. When I read it at Tami’s blog yesterday, it really resonated. I sent it to a friend, and she could also relate, especially the bit at the end about the mask we don. Powerful stuff.

  32. Grace wrote:

    To minotaar and JenniferRuth:

    As a white person, I too have cut many people out of my life for being racists, sexists, and homophobes. Many of these people have been family members, too, which has not been easy. Still, I don’t regret this for a second.

    I grew up in a very white area of the northeast. though no one in my immediate family is a racist, I started to realize by senior year of high school that most of my friends were. I started pulling away – I couldn’t take the comments anymore. They were so ignorant and so stupid … it made my head want to explode. A lot of my guy friends would do the same thing with the n-word as JenniferRuth has experienced. They’d get mad at me for calling them out when they claimed it was “just a joke.” I didn’t care if I ruined the mood with bickering.

    The first time I went home from college and hung out with them, I realized nothing had changed. I was the only one who had pushed outside her comfort zone as far as college goes — most of them stayed in-state and continued to be enormous d-bags. I realized we had nothing in common.

    To top it all off, several of them started making homophobic remarks. This, combined with the racism, no matter how subtle it was sometimes, sent me packing for good. How can I be friends with people I can’t even “come out” to?

    Moreover, some of my best friends from school are non-white and queer. What does it say about how I feel about these people, whom I would do anything to protect, if I don’t call people on their racist/homophobe bs?

    Dan Fishback came to my school last night and said a quote I thought was really great. I’ll paraphrase it to the best of my abilities here:

    “Integrity simply means you are unwilling to compromise a part of your identity.”

    If I don’t assert my anti-racist / queer activist identity in situations like the ones we’ve discussed, then I’ve lost my integrity.

  33. Monie wrote:

    @Tami

    “…I sort of just move that person to a different space in my head, where the chance of a deep friendship isn’t possible….”

    Yeah I I’ve done that too, but I always wonder what if.

    Thanks and I’ll checkout your podcast.

  34. Kaonashi wrote:

    I’m 38 and would rather be alone and happy with my own company than continue to wear a mask to get along with people who probably aren’t worth getting along with.

    Speaking as someone who had to flush some “friends” in the past I completely agree. It’s one thing to have to wear the mask to work, but who you spend your “downtime” with is a totally different story. Once you figure out what sort of box someone is working out of, it DOES become an issue of self-respect.

  35. Lisa J wrote:

    Tami,
    I’m so sorry you have to go through all of that. It is so hard to loose a friend and to have someone who you care about who says thoughtless hurtful things. I especially when it is about your people and they try to say “oh you aren’t like that.” As if that is supposed to hurt your feelings especially since minorities get lumped together and painted with a broad brush. And I can’t believe she said that about Obama, the man just started, he ran a fair campaign against Hillary and gave her a plum cabinet position! So how can she hate him so. Plus if she has worked on the Hill before she must have been in DC before and there are so many more whites in this town than in the past. Also, there are so many places in DC where she could go live and be where she wouldn’t even have much interaction with black people if she feels so hostile towards us black people. And she could always leave altogether. I just don’t get people like that.

  36. afropique wrote:

    I’m a black woman married to a white man who has a sister who says uninformed things about race and ethnicity. Some of it I find hurtful. I have to dance around her comments so as not to embarrass my husband or upset his family…even though she’s not checking what she says.

    I think my breaking point was when I told her why using “ghetto” to mean “of poor quality” was offensive. I asked her if she would use “commonwealth” or “township” to the same purpose and when she said no, I asked her to think about why.

    So now instead of saying “ghetto” when I’m around, she makes a big show of saying “of poor quality” like it’s some joke. Because she’s my sister-in-law I can’t say what I’d like to, which is “if you insist on being this ignorant I’m not sticking around to hear it.”

    I’m no longer sure how to handle this situation without going off on her.

  37. jstele wrote:

    What is the point of being friends with someone who is so hateful? I can understand befriending someone who is genuine and willing to learn. They may make some ignorant comments because they just don’t know any better. It’s so pointless to waste your time with willful racists.

  38. Lis wrote:

    What is a PUMA? Sorry if this is a common term, as soon as I saw it I’ve been going through what it could mean and I have no idea.

  39. RJG wrote:

    About a year and a half into our friendship, Mona moved away to Washington, D.C. and I gradually began to sense that life in that black city was changing my friend. She seemed hardened and less tolerant.

    What sucks if that you sometimes read stuff like that and go “oh crap I was almost going in that direction at one time too.”

    I had a similar situation in college where, in my mind, pre-college I was pretty well off in not being racist, but with the [all black] security guards that my college had generally being a bit overzealous in harassing students for what I saw as vapid reasons and so on (keep the noise down! you can’t study here! i’m not letting you in because your ID card won’t work but really this scanner is broken but we’re going to make you late for class due to our own faults… again!), for whatever reason something was gnawing on the back of my brain to just go and vent that they’re just doing some black ::insert racist logic here:: than the more reasonable mindset of just accepting that security guards can just be powerhungry idiots and it’s not a race thing at all.

    Of course this is also me ending up patting myself on the back because as far as I know I’m not some ranting lunatic who keeps tossing racist things here and there on accident or purpose, and who knows maybe I am a bit more of a jerkbag because of that stuff and I just don’t notice it, but yeah.

  40. Haley wrote:

    “What I wonder about is what this does to white-white friendships. Do white people lose friendships with other white people over racism?”

    Yes, some of us do.

  41. Monie wrote:

    @Grace

    “…How can I be friends with people I can’t even “come out” to?…”

    I’ve been through that and continue to go through it. These kinds of situations can be so agonizing.

    It is especially frustrating because it can literally wipe-out an entire group of people as friends in just one moment.

  42. Daniel wrote:

    First, I feel bad for the author for losing a closer relationship with a friend.
    I don’t have anything similar but the closest one is where I stopped hanging around with friends of different background just because we couldn’t relate much. I wouldn’t mind talking again but it’s just there’s a lot of particular issues where knowing them for a long time, our honest opinions will clash.

    I sort of wonder if the problems of race would have been less complicated if our society had a more unifying factor (which can be controversial, I admit). We may all be Americans but some of these problems can make us seem very foreign to each other.
    I read a bit and talked to people from Canada, France, Brazil and the Middle East. They all have their own unique problems with race, but other than certain parts of Canada, the other places I mentioned seems to have a less complicated issue making very close friends than we do. Like their relationships are a bit more stronger and intimate but that’s just my perspective though.

  43. gail wrote:

    I was just talking with a good friend about this phenomenon of having a relationship with someone with whom I cannot be emotionally safe. And how hard it is to come to the realization that indeed this person with whom I shared so many ideas, passions, values, experiences etc. will not accept and value all of me. Instead acceptance is limited to the parts of me that affirm that person and his/her sense of identity. It’s hard to accept that the betrayal was there all along, somewhere, hidden behind the shared values, ideas and conversations. Now I know to listen to others and to myself when we talk about human follies and foibles: “Is my full humanity acceptable and embraced by this person? Is it embraced by me?” Thank you for sharing your story about your lost friendship.

  44. Eva wrote:

    I am sorry you lost a friend, but I don’t sense she was a real friend anyway. I’m nearly 50 and I say, to heck with the mask, there are ways of getting your point across without cursing someone out.

    Because I have friends who are painfully honest with each other I would have asked Mona, not confronted her, but asked her, “what happened to you? You never used to talk like that before, before you used to be____ and now you’re____.” I wonder what she would have said.

  45. Cynthia wrote:

    @ afropique: “ghetto” isn’t just used by white folks for things that aren’t “up to par.” The student housing (non dorm) area at my alma mater is often referred to as “the ghetto” and there are lots of non-white kids who go to the university. The school tried to get people to call it the “student village” when I started school in 1998, but my cousin, who is part of the class of 2010 tells me that they STILL call it “the ghetto.” As for calling on people who make offensive remarks, when is it appropriate and when is it NOT appropriate to do this? If you went to a certain school and someone makes an insulting remark about that school, do you say something? Or does it have to be more personal, like sexuality, race or class?

  46. laura wrote:

    this was such a powerful post! It’s a question thats really frustrating. I don’t blame you for giving up on Mona. As a white woman I’m disappointed with Mona, it makes me think of Crash too.

    Somehow, people go through life thinking that they’re these even minded unracist liberals and then something happens, something brings about a change. One of my biggest fears is that deep down inside I have a mean and hateful racist lurking.

    So, in the end, I think that this kind of dialogue online is important as well as having this kind of dialogue with friends. Yes, we’ll win and lose friends, yes the debates will get heated, but in the end we all leave better people.

  47. SayNay wrote:

    I lost a close friend though arguably of my own choosing. When I became more aware of my racial identity and more committed to issues of racial and social justice, the blinders sort of came off to the fact that I was her only FOC. In a lot of ways I felt uncomfortable discussing issues of race with her, and when I tried to broach the topic of the change in our friendship I was the one who was left “seemingly” judgemental. Maybe I am or maybe that was the way it played out. Now having forged many more friendships with POC, I’m finding it harder to build white friendships with the same level of sincerity that I had before this racial “epiphany”. However this is not to say that I completely ended all of my white friendships from before or have not made any since, but that those I am making now are more allies.

    Any advice from others who maybe have experience the same?

  48. Anonymous wrote:

    Minotaar
    I am white, I have lost friendships over racisim, sexism and classism. But I am reletivly young, and still have the energy to spend several months to a year trying to do the education thing. It does not always work very well, and I feel isolation sometimes because of it, but probably not as much as a person of color as the racisim is not directed at me. I have lost family members too.

    I wish there were more places that talked openly about racisim–esp. with kids. I feel fucked up by the many years of being told that it does not exist any more.

  49. tiffany wrote:

    sorry! the previous (note to minotaar) was me

  50. Sang-Shil wrote:

    Tami – I remember reading the original post, and so reading this follow-up was very interesting. Thank you for sharing it.

    Also, my hackles were raised at another commenter’s suggestion that it was somehow your responsibility to educate your friend, but your response about the balance between camaraderie and education made perfect sense.

  51. Versai wrote:

    @afropique
    Since she’s your sister-in-law, maybe your husban can pull her aside and tell her to quit being a jerk. Unfortunately, it may mean more to her if it comes from him.

    On topic: I wonder if maybe your friend hadn’t changed–but just felt that (a year and a half into your friendship) you 2 were close enough for her to let her own mask slide down in front of you. I don’t know her, of course, maybe she felt enough of a class kinship with you that she thought it was okay to talk about “those” black (and poor) people.

  52. Alyssa wrote:

    I find it sad that there are so many people who are racist, misogynist, and/or homophobic that have friends that are PoCs, women and/or gay. I don’t see how someone can castigate a group as a whole and not see how it would hurt their friend that is part of that group. I suppose it’s that whole, “but you are not like the rest of them” type of thinking. No one deserves those types of attacks especially coming from someone who is supposed to be a friend. You have every right to give up a friend like that. I’m glad you have found closure.
    I’m happy that you made the point that people with racist notions have good qualities too. It is easy to paint them as evil villains. But most racists are just regular people. They don’t understand the connotation of what they say. And they don’t think of themselves as racists because they aren’t throwing flaming bricks though windows. So when someone calls them a racist for their comments, they don’t understand why they are being castigated this way. If it is not explained to them early on, they will eventually stop listening all together, and it is too late.
    I am a firm believer that we all need to talk open, honestly, and rationally with all groups (including people with racist tendencies). But that is almost impossible to do in person because of the emotional baggage, which is why I think sites like this and Tami’s blog are perfect forums for this kind of thing. (And props to Latoya and other moderators for keeping this a safe place).

  53. sp0rk wrote:

    @Minotaar

    I’m white – and I’ve lost friends because of racism. Not so much any more – because I think that I’m getting better at spotting them before the fact.

    But racism was the biggest sticking point in my relationship with my Mother-in-Law while she was alive. We actually wound up in family counseling because she was unable to hold back her rabid racism – and I was unable to let it slide.

    Early on I think she realized that it was a topic where it was particularly easy to get a rise out of me & to create drama. And so she did, often loudly and in public every time she’d get the chance. At family functions to try to embarrass and belittle me, etc. It was such a mess – and while she was the instigator – I wasn’t very good in responding appropriately. I’d eventually get so worked up I’d be yelling and screaming right back at her.

    The situation was never solved & the stress it put on my husband and I was immense – it basically is the only serious issue in my marriage to date.

    Its very strange now that she’s been gone a year – my relationship with the remaining in-laws is much better, simply because of her absence. It’s sad.

  54. David Cone wrote:

    Tami,
    Very moving piece on race and friendship. Did Mona have some sort of personal, traumatic experience that triggered some of the verbal diarrhea? It doesn’t mitigate or excuse her in any way, but goodness gracious: I’m trying to see if there’s ANY sort of reason that she’d vent her frustrations about black folks in the way she did.
    Was she the victim of a crime perpetrated by a black man or something? I don’t see why she’d take this stuff out on you, period, and that’s why you should tell this excuse for a human being that she isn’t worthy to be your friend.

  55. ElleDee wrote:

    Sad story. I had something similar happen to me with my childhood best friend, only it was about class and not race and, um, I have to admit that I was the Mona. I wasn’t hateful though and never been disdainful to people who had less than I did, I just didn’t understand privilege and that I had it and she didn’t. She would tell me that I didn’t understand some facet of her life because I was “rich” and I would insist that we weren’t really rich (we never had to worry about money, but that wasn’t enough to make you rich in my mind then) and then I would wonder why it was always about money to her.

    I feel terrible that she was right the whole time, but I just didn’t have a fucking clue. I mean, I was little, I didn’t know better and I grew up and I am trying to listen now, but I still feel bad about it. I have no idea where she is, but if I ever saw her again I would apologize. Maybe Mona will come around and grow up someday and be sorry, even if you never get to hear it.

  56. k wrote:

    I just wanted to add to the list of whites that have broken off friendships with whites due to their racism. Though, usually I don’t even start the relationships in the first place because I’ve learned to screen for that sort of thing, unfortunately.

    It’s a really hard balance between patient and super hostile, but I’ve learned that if someone is the kind of person I would actually want to be close to, they understand if I get a little hostile when I think they’re saying something racist.

    And whenever I hear something racist/homophobic/etc., I literally just say, “that is racist/homophobic/etc.” and I refuse to hear that bullshit. Unless it’s a boss or whatever. Ugh.

  57. dee-rob wrote:

    Having read Tami’s part 1 and part 2 on Mona, I understand the racial part, but I wonder how much is also just age/maturity.

    The older I get, I find I am sooo much less inclined to spend time with or call people “friends” whose values seem wrong to me or are discussed thoughtlessly. The minute I hear words like “those people,” some folks just get assigned to the destined-to-be-acquaintance pile.

    I’m still trying to figure out what to do with family. Right now, I feel like boycotting Christmas for awhile. In truth, because of other family members, I imagine I’ll end up sitting with gritted teeth at my brother’s house who “ironically/it’s just a joke” dropped the N-word more times than I could count.

    As a white person, I definitely have ended friendships over less. I never did tell one woman, whose live-in boyfriend collected anti-Semitic, Nazi paraphernalia, that it was just too gross for me to contemplate why she accepted that “hobby.”

    And, my reason for throwing in here. @afropique I’m curious as to what your husband does in these conversations? As the person who grew up with my family and knows them, I figure part of my job with my boyfriend is to be the buffer to make him comfortable. When the same brother above repeated the lame-ass reference to my guy’s not eating the household pets (he’s Chinese) for the millionth time, it was me that suggested if he was going to be an ignorant bastard, he could at least get new material.

  58. Dani wrote:

    I’m really glad I read this. I’ve been through something similar.

    What makes it hard is the fact that the friendship in question was so positive in every other way. It’s hard ending a friendship when you actually like the person, a lot, apart from the little inconvenience of them being racist. But it has to be done.

    It really makes it hard to trust people, but I don’t want to become too jaded, you know?

    Also, I think because I was raised in a mostly white area and was one of the few black people, I never had the option of only choosing friends who were of my race when I was young. In a strange way I see that as a blessing, because it forces you to build up these friendships that can potentially come to a diffiicult and painful way. And I’d rather do that than live in a bubble, and be afraid to make friends with anyone who is not “like” me.

  59. Minotaar wrote:

    Is it just me, or is it that people who try to use ANYTHING ironically tend to fail massively? Its like their definition of ironic was taken from Alanis.

  60. TM wrote:

    In a relationship of 5 years with a lovely girl whom I’ve known for 10 years. Foreign mother is not really ‘down’ with her being with a black man. And when I say ‘not really’ I mean ‘not at all’. Her mother lives with her, because there is no choice. I can’t really ‘call’ her on this right? What to do? We’re still a couple of generations away from racism being truly ‘looked down upon’.

    I am surprised that Mona was so ‘in your face’ about Obama. They say ‘keep your enemies close’. Maybe that’s what she was thinking?

  61. afropique wrote:

    @cynthia

    Cynthia, I can understand why they might call a crummy housing area on campus “the ghetto,” because it is a housing area and technically that’s what a ghetto is. I still think it’s a bit insensitive, but that’s only my opinion.

    The reason I say anything to my sister-in-law at all about her “ghetto” comments and her insistence on calling my parents’ cat (named Iman) “Shaniqua” is because she is supposed to be my friend and I’d like to think my friends and I have relationships where we can discuss when someone’s done something that the other isn’t ok with. I also know she is not saying and doing these things out of malice and might appreciate the knowledge that she could really piss someone off if she says this stuff to someone she doesn’t consider a close friend. I don’t consider someone having a different opinion of the school I went to as a similar situation.

    I don’t think I would ever deliberately call someone out in a way that would be embarrassing to them; (i.e. in front of a large group, or in front of people we didn’t know); and I definitely pick and choose my battles; but I try not to let casual racism slide with my friends, especially when it’s the “ironic hipster” sort. You don’t have to say “WHAT YOU SAID IS WRONG AND YOU ARE AN AWFUL PERSON AND HERE IS WHY,” but I think it’s ok to ask them to look inward and consider why something they thought might be acceptable to say or do could possibly be construed as offensive or ignorant.

    I mean, what does “so-and-so acts so white” really imply? Is it a good idea to tell your black friend (with dreadlocks) she’s “unbeweaveable?” Sometimes you’ve just gotta speak up.

  62. afropique wrote:

    @ dee-rob

    I’m sorry, I didn’t see your question for me. My husband and I have discussed what to do about his sister’s comments. Since for the most part she isn’t being malicious when she’s saying these things, I’ve decided I’ll be the one to tell her when she says something that’s not cool. If she keeps up with the “ghetto” thing, though, I might ask him to have a talk with her.

  63. Pheagan wrote:

    A lot of people have commented on the white friendship thing in terms of ending friendships. But I find the disheartening thing about being white and friends with white people is that sooooo many people are racist, and not in the obvious way that Mona is, but in smaller ways. Like they would think a lot of the things Mona says are offensive, but they’re against affirmative action. Or those Miley Cyrus pictures aren’t a big deal. Or they don’t care about the Avatar casting (not one of my white friends is angry about it, it’s like, to a man: “What do you expect, it’s Hollywood?”). When I got back from Asia I went to lunch with my friends after two years of not seeing them. And I’d spent a significant amount of time in three countries, studied two languages, taught, started an NGO– lots of conversation topics. But the only questions anyone really asked were about how true Asian stereotypes were, and they did that whole funny accent thing, and then were like flippantly– “Oh, yeah, we’re racist.” In a joking way. And the thing is, one of them was Jewish, one was Latino. And I had no idea how to proceed, because I’ve been missing the hell out of these people for two years, knew very few other people in this city (it’s not where I’m from). It’s funny, I remember reading Racialicious in Cambodia and being like, what’s up with this hipster racism thing, are people actually like that? And I came back and was like, oh. Crap. I really don’t remember my friends being like this, but then, maybe I just became more aware of racial issues. And if I weren’t friends with anyone who’s said suspect things, I’d not only have no white friends, but I’d lose a lot of friends who aren’t strictly white. I don’t evade discussion, I try to talk about how I see things, trends I notice that piss me off. But it’s different with different people. There are friends you feel more comfortable talking about lots of things with. And there are friends who you know are going to think you’re making a big deal out of nothing– which, if it was really obvious stuff, I’d have no problem calling them on– and yes, the Asian accents are something I recognize as I should have called them on that. But when you say something like, “Why aren’t there ever any Latinos or black people or Asians in all those movies they set in LA?” you– well I– get this eye roll. Because I’m white, and I don’t have the authority to get annoyed by this stuff, I guess.

  64. Miles Ellison wrote:

    Events like the first O.J. verdict , Katrina, and Obama’s election are the impetus that tears the lid off of people’s racist attitudes. Your friend sounds like a perfect example of that.

  65. Missyu_who wrote:

    Tami,
    It’s so unfortunate that this had to happen to your friendship, but in the long run, you will probably not regret your decision to leave the friendship. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized that just because I was friends with someone back then, or when I was ___, or because I feel like I should be friends with them, doesn’t mean that I have to be friends with them. Especially if those good feelings are gone from the friendship, then it’s not worth holding onto, and you shouldn’t feel bad about that.

    That being said though, I also think that confronting racism is even more difficult with a friend, or someone you’re in close proximity with because of that close nature. It’s so much easier to call someone out on their racist comments when that’s all you know about the person, but somehow when it’s someone with whom you should be able to speak freely with, it feels like there’s some sort of barrier you can’t cross for fear of ruining the friendship.

    @afropique: I hate it when people act passive aggressive and act like that. I just hope that other people realize that she’s acting ignorant and downright stupid. Perhaps you can gently inform her of that fact? :)

    afropique

  66. Free wrote:

    I posted a comment earlier and it’s not here. Perhaps it’s a mistake or I’ve broke a commenting rule: I read the Note From The Editrix and didn’t think that it applied to me – perhaps I was wrong. Latoya?

    Mod Note – I don’t think so, I don’t remember seeing your comment, Free, and yours are normally on point. Maybe spam got to it… – LDP

  67. Rchoudh wrote:

    Thanks Tami for this emotionally engaging post. Through it I’ve come to realize that people are capable of changing and it’s not always for the better. I’m curious to know what exactly pushed Mona towards going from a “power to the people” type personality to one that now openly exhibits racism towards a particular minority group. This just goes to show that things don’t remain static. One day you’ll meet someone who genuinely espouses anti-racist views, then the next day you find that person’s became an outiright racist. Likewise you might find someone who initially espoused racist tendencies but as time goes on the person changes and rids him/herself of the racism. This is just something we should recognize happens within all human beings. As for remaining friends with someone who has changed, I would say it depends on how much they have changed. In the case of Mona, I think Tami did the right thing with losing contact with her, since Mona seemed to have become so bigoted and hateful that she even openly espoused her views towards a member of the group she despised without caring to check herself. With other more mild forms of racism espoused by a friend, it may help to see whether that person can be convinced of changing his/her views before they become more harsh. If not then the POC should decide whether pursuing a friendship with this person is still worth it or not.

  68. TeakLipstickFiend wrote:

    @Pheagan – The “hipster racism” thing is stupid, but I know I’ve been guilty of it in the past. It’s kind of this way of being “bad” – and it’s completely moronic (and inexcusable) when you take a step back and think, “How would the POCs I know feel if I said this to them? How do I feel when people say something offensive about me, about women, even if it’s supposed to be a joke?”. I’m so glad I discovered Racialicious, because it’s opened my eyes to what a jerk I’ve been, not to POCs directly, but when I’ve been in “the white club”.

    As far as I know, I’ve never had a friend who has, as Pumpkin wrote, “deep-rooted and just full-on bigotry”, but I would certainly drop any like that. I try, more and more, to pick up friends on the subtle racism thing, but it’s harder at work, or with family outside my immediate family. I’m not good on confrontation and still blush with shame at the time, some years ago, I met one of my father’s cousins for the first (and last, I hope) time and he told a clearly racist story and I said nothing, just sat there speechless and shocked. However, recently I sent a very reasoned, but polite reply to a cousin who’d sent me a so-called patriotic e-mail about Australia, but which was basically racist. I haven’t heard a peep out of her since, so I guess she didn’t like what I said. Sad, but I couldn’t let it slide.

    @Tami – I would hope a POC friend or colleague would give me a verbal slap on the face for anything inappropriate (I know one who definitely would and another with whom I can chat about this stuff). But I agree with you that you should let the friendship die “if the balance between camaraderie and teaching is off”. I find it weird that Mona could consider herself your friend and still spew all that stuff.

  69. Lori wrote:

    Tami-This was an incredibly insightful and well written piece. I understand your reasons for wanting to end your friendship with Mona but as a final “kind” gesture, why not send her a copy of your essay? (smile)

    I think you’re missing out on an opportunity to enlighten her and in a way that’s both calm, intelligent, sensitive and rational. No, it may not cause her to change her ways, but at least she’ll be forced to think about them. It may cause her to interact differently with the next person of color who enters her life.

    Also, this subject would make for a great book (collection of essays). I doubt if you’d have any problems finding others with similar stories.

  70. Free wrote:

    Thanks Latoya. O’k. 2nd try.

    HWP – Honorary White Person. Tami, Mona felt comfortable enough to make those racists remarks because she relegated you to the lowly position of HWP. She thought that you were on her side and she tested your loyalty with her racists remarks: perhaps, unconscious on her part. Relationships of this type are abusive because they are predicated upon POC giving up their humanity. I’ve known a lot of people like Mona and they are all poisonous snakes-in-the-grass. Consider yourself fortunate that she is out of your life.

    I don’t wear the mask anymore, haven’t for a long time which has caused problems. My view is that anyone under age 60 should know better and I’m done teaching. At times, when I’ve called people on their racism, others have jumped to their defense and I became the bad person playin’ the race card. But I rather be a friendless bad person than subjugated.

    @afropique – I had the same problem with my in-laws. My husband is very supportive and he helped me understand his family without excusing their racism. Meeting them was a “Guess Whose Coming to Dinner Experience.” Grandmother was the worst, but we get along much better after we had a nice conversation. My brother-in-law, I had to tell him off once. We get along well, but sometimes he needs a quiet reminder. I don’t know how long you’ve been married, but I’ve found that time is a great healer.

  71. NancyP wrote:

    Re: whites dealing with other whites’ racism

    When the offender is your family member, it’s difficult, because you can’t just lose them. A persistent “but that makes no sense, and this is why” for the latest ditto heard from Limbaugh, or refusal to acknowledge a rude joke, is pretty much my approach. A relative by marriage is likely incorrigible, but I don’t sweat it too much because the relative-by-marriage is an incorrigible pain in so many other ways, knows it, doesn’t care, and r-by-m’s spouse can’t keep r-by-m in line, so I don’t have much of a chance. My blood relative is picking up some of the spouse’s attitudes, though, and that bothers me and I talk sense with the blood relative. They live in a pretty hermetic white world, and grew up in the 1950s and 1960s in all-white neighborhoods.

    As for friends, if they seem adaptable and generally fair-minded, are limited by upbringing and life in a mostly-white milieu, and seem to hold prejudice in an unthinking but not actively hostile way (fear or unfamiliarity, not hate), then they are worth keeping, and gently prodding. Friends who are actively hostile racists and are rigid quickly become acquaintances, not seen unless it’s part of my job or a chance meeting.

  72. Seance wrote:

    Tami and other commenters–this discussion couldn’t have come at a better time for me. I’ve been running thoughts about this through my head, about old friends and new (I’m in the first year of a grad program).

    I’m an Asian American women whose self-identity was awakened during college. My first year there, I lived in the dorms with my first roommate ever, also Asian American and from the same hometown as me. Going in, we bared some of the same prejudices that stemmed from ignorance that I now notice many other AA girls from our town possessed: we often felt shameful for our “Asian ways”, called a certain districts in the city “ghetto” when it clearly wasn’t, and didn’t shy away from white boys who loved Asian girls. I look back and cringe at some of my biases I had against myself, my gender, my people, and thus other people of color. However, because my roommate and I have similar roots, I have a hard time judging her without sympathizing or empathizing with her. How can I judge her so harshly when I know where those prejudices come from? I remember how she, when faced with our college discussions of AA studies, wrote AA issues off as just something Asians were looking to complain about. And while I secretly wished to have a white boyfriend, she extolled about having white girl friends, only dated white boys, and stated that although she went to a predominately white school, she never faced racism from them (even at that time, with my level of ignorance, I found that hard to believe). Her bad experiences were with Asians: a dirty trick played on her by a competitive Asian student in high school lead her to stop making friends with anyone Asian. She’s still one of my closest friends–we have an understanding unlike any other friendship because of our similar background and interests–but we branch off when it comes to certain social topics. Don’t get me wrong, I have seen her change her perspective some; for example, she’s gone on dates with quite a few AA guys since and she’s made good friends with me, an AA girl. However, sometimes I’ll still hear a jarring comment come out of her mouth: while telling me about her date with an AA male she began with “You know how Asian guys are critical with how a girl’s body looks?” And after showing her the slant eyed Miley Cyrus picture, she replied that Miley is young and didn’t mean it due to ignorance, so it’s not a big deal.

    Really, what can I expect from her? I honestly don’t really know. Do I want her to take classes, attend conventions, volunteer for causes so she can change her ways, read Racialicious and relate to every entry? I’m so angry at her prejudiced comments, but at the same time, I see her vantage point and I’m tired and sometimes afraid to stand up for myself. On the one hand, she’s a smart cookie and I’m sure she’s aware that some of her thoughts don’t make sense, that they are wrong; on the other, she’s too ignorant (or too apathetic? too good?) to actually change them.

  73. Nelly wrote:

    Maybe I’m just colder than everyone else, but I don’t get the comments suggesting that Tami talk to Mona, or that POC should recognize the humanity in racists, or that POC should “work around” racism (because people can change, because everyone has prejudices, because you just might be able to turn that particular bigot around). I just think that there are way too many other people in this world for me to try to make a friendship with a bigot work. And, there are absolutely no excuses for this behavior. People don’t get passes because they’re old or because they’re young or because they’re family. Few in this day and age actually believe there’s nothing wrong with making hateful statements about entire groups of people.

    I don’t think it’s always necessary to broach the subject of racism delicately, lest you make a scene or end up upsetting the person who initially made the insensitive remarks. Moreover, I don’t think that minorities should shy away from using the word “racist” because it makes some White people feel uncomfortable. Being called a racist is nowhere near as painful as actually experiencing racism.

    I remember reading another blog where the writer said that – growing up in a liberal “colorblind” White household – her parents simply taught her that being a racist was the worst thing in the world. They didn’t talk about institutional racism or explain the other ways prejudice manifests itself. In her view, that’s why certain White people – like, say, Miley Cyrus – completely flip out when you call them on their stupid stunts. They don’t want to admit that they’re capable of such behavior; after all, they have non-White friends. They’re not like those awful Klansmen trying to kill all the Black people. And, that’s why all of their backtracking serves to prove they’re not a racist (as opposed to focusing on and apologizing for the racist remark or action that kicked off the dialogue). Her reasoning makes a lot of sense to me.

    The burden of eradicating racism cannot always be placed on the shoulders of people of color (who are, after all, burdened with actually experiencing the racism). As a minority, it’s hard enough moving through this country. When meeting new people, you often find yourself wondering whether X really hates Muslims or Black people or gay people or Latinas. You shouldn’t feel obligated to stick around once that person reveals his/her ugly self.

  74. MJ wrote:

    it could be too that she felt justified in making those remarks and keeping you as a friend as a sort of white liberal “i’m not a racist because i have black friends.”

    but, actually, something this makes me think of how in high school the first day i went to my friend’s house her dad made tons of violent anti-semetic comments, not knowing that i was jewish. for years, i didn’t tell my friend i was jewish simply because i felt like it would make my friend feel bad for me being subjected to those comments. interestingly enough her dad’s anti-semitism racism against black people became a HUGE running fight between me and my friend, me always kind of trying to almost make sure my friend didn’t think that way and her feeling “judged.”

    what always seems funny to me is that this guy hated the jews enough that, really, he should have absolutely knew that i was jewish, but in some strange way must have repressed it out of some total disbelief that one of those ‘things’ could be so intimately in his midst. i used to think of that solely as my white privilege and it is, but this story made me think of how this guy, too, had friends who were black. and it’s gross because….it doesn’t mean that these feelings of friendship aren’t genuine it means that some people are so used to thinking of “these people” as less than human that when someone in these ‘categories’ comes around who they find themselves experiencing as human, they have to extract this person from the “these people” category.

  75. octogalore wrote:

    Great article, Tami. Seems like you’ve given Mona more than enough benefit of the doubt. Her comments re New Orleans, Imus, Duke were showstoppers.

    Personally, though, without that as backdrop, would the PUMA thing have been a deal breaker? I am not a PUMA (although, I didn’t vote for Obama — but don’t ID as a PUMA because my reasons for not doing so aren’t those expressed by that movement). But I don’t think being a PUMA means you are racist, as I believe PUMA would have developed had a man of any race beaten Clinton.

  76. Lxy wrote:

    “What is a PUMA? Sorry if this is a common term, as soon as I saw it I’ve been going through what it could mean and I have no idea.”

    I had to look up this term myself. It appears to be a group of mostly anti-Obama Democrats and stands for Party Unity My Ass.

    http://www.puma08.com/about-puma/

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/preston.puma/

  77. April wrote:

    @octogalore: Um, sorry, the PUMA movement was completely steeped in racism. Those women were defecting from their party in order to vote for a white man, after all. Obviously gender wasn’t the deal-breaker.

    Sorry to derail, but I had to respond to that. Basically, I agree with Free–clearly Mona saw Tami as an exception (”oh, you’re not like those *other* awful Negroes!”).

  78. Nelly wrote:

    It’s possible that not every PUMA or self-proclaimed liberal feminist White Democrat (a la Mona) who chose not to vote for Obama is racist. But, a lot of the most vocal ones were, and it was reflected in their attacks on him. I imagine the attacks would have looked a lot different – and been a lot less impassioned – if a White man were the nominee.

    Moreover, I didn’t see a lot of PUMAS proclaiming they would vote for McKinney (or even Nader). I know McKinney can be problematic, but as a liberal pro-choice female, her ticket was much more in line with the spirit of Clinton’s campaign than the McCain-Palin ticket ever was. Of course, McKinney had no chance of winning. But, that raises the question of whether PUMAs wanted to vote for a feminist or whether they wanted to vote for a (White) woman. PUMAs often proclaimed that Obama didn’t share their – or Ms. Clinton’s – values. I can’t think of a lot of “values” and commonalities – aside from race – that those professed liberals/feminists could have with McCain or Palin.

    On a semi-related note, I think it was Tim Wise who raised the point that PUMAs (who mainly represented a certain age and class of White women) are not exactly bedrocks of the Democratic party. They aren’t reliable constituents in the way that African-Americans or Jewish-Americans are. There had to be some sort of entitlement – racially motivated or otherwise – inherent in their demands for “Hillary or else.”

  79. TM wrote:

    @Nelly

    I’m with you on that. It’s time to leave people like this to their own devices. Unfortunately, many still control the world- ie, education, home loans/mortgages, career jobs. Also, I’ll let you all know when it’s cool for me to go to work with my ‘black’ hair styled in that ‘bed head’ style that everyone else on the planet can sport without so much of a blink. And Miley Cyrus, Ashley Simpson, etc. ‘perfect examples of a racist society. How do they even exist???? Thumbs up!!! to all the non-black brothers and sisters who don’t stand for the nonsense.

  80. octogalore wrote:

    Nelly — agree, I’m certainly not saying none were, but that we cannot say for a fact that all were.

    I do believe many who didn’t vote for Obama would have voted for a black woman and would not have voted for a white man in Obama’s position.

    Then, there were also women who believed Hillary would be more fiscally centrist and voted McCain over Obama for that reason, and would have similarly voted for a fiscally conservative black Republican over Obama for that reason. You can disagree with their fiscal politics, but cannot state with a certainty that they are racist.

    I am not stating that I agree with the PUMA position. If indeed one felt good about Obama’s policy positions, then I think the right thing to do would be to vote for him, and I interpret the PUMA position to be a desire to stick it to the Democrats for perceived shafting of Hillary — which is why I don’t agree with it. But I think there are dynamics there other than racism. In some cases, racism was one of those factors, I agree with you on that.

  81. Nelly wrote:

    If one voted for McCain over Obama (and initially preferred Clinton) simply because he/she considered himself/herself more fiscally conservative, then I don’t think that person can claim to be “a liberal Democrat who was shafted by the Democratic party.” And if the PUMAs didn’t consider themselves Democrats (but instead Independents or left-leaning Libertarians), then they don’t really have the authority to complain about the Democrats’ nominee. I can’t stand Ron Paul, but I also wasn’t going around demanding that a party I’m not a member of change their nominee for my personal benefit.

    Moreover, not every Democratic nominee has been FDR. There have always been slight differences (economic and otherwise) between the candidates. I don’t remember those fiscal conservatives threatening to vote for Bush because they preferred a Blue Dog Democrat, and Kerry wanted lots of social programs that would cost a lot of money. And a person who genuinely felt the Democratic primary/party were hostile to women cannot seriously justify voting for McCain-Palin.

    I’m also not sure it’s true that many PUMAs would have voted for a Black woman. After all, most PUMAs said they were voting for McCain (and had no problem adorning the divisive, anti-choice Palin with the feminst label). And, it’s not as it if PUMAs didn’t have the option – in the McKinney-Clemente ticket – of voting for two women over the Republican ticket. Those fiscal conservatives could have voted for Alan Keyes. It’s not as if McCain was the only other choice on the ballot.

    Moreover, I think it takes a few mental gymnastics to conclude that Clinton’s economic policies were more similar to McCain’s than Obama’s. I don’t think her noble plan for universal healthcare would ever be considered “centrist” or “fiscally conservative.” And how expensive are those wars that McCain wanted to start (and, in the case of Iraq, continue fighting for 100 years)? In what way is that more “fiscally conservative” or “financially responsible” than, say, Obama’s large initiative for green jobs?

  82. Nelly wrote:

    In my second paragraph, I meant to say that not every potential Democratic nominee has been FDR.

  83. coloredhoney wrote:

    when i was little i went to a pro black school whose colors were red, black and green. i came home after saying the african pledge and singing the black national anthem to my mother and her longtime white boyfriend. my uncle during this time also had a white girlfriend. on the weekends i visited my father and my more black southern family.

    because of my particular familial configuration everybody had something to say. i would not have any friends or family if i cut off people because of their racism. i end up arguing a lot, assigning nicknames like archie bunker and at the extreme taking long breaks like tami and mona in between relating. i have had to recognize since my formative years that theory of identity and plain old daily living are colorful, insightful places of good times and deeply painful flaws. my contradictions are ever present. i have a hard time fathoming dating a white guy yet i’ve watched interracial dating all my life and love the choices my mother, aunt, cousins have made. personal threshold is attuned to individual spirit and effort. in a way i think mona grated tami deliberately hoping for a good old fashion tell off and a more honest road of friendship. thank you for the post, man!

  84. octogalore wrote:

    “If one voted for McCain over Obama (and initially preferred Clinton) simply because he/she considered himself/herself more fiscally conservative, then I don’t think that person can claim to be ‘a liberal Democrat’”

    I agree. But the person could still consider him- or herself a Democrat, esp if very socially liberal.

    “And a person who genuinely felt the Democratic primary/party were hostile to women cannot seriously justify voting for McCain-Palin.”

    Not on that ground, no.

    I don’t think you can hold up PUMAs’ embracing of Palin or the existence of McKinney-Clemente to say they wouldn’t have voted for a Black woman. For one thing, many PUMAs did vote McKinney. And others wanted to vote for a major party.

    “Moreover, I think it takes a few mental gymnastics to conclude that Clinton’s economic policies were more similar to McCain’s than Obama’s.”

    True. But it’s not a pure mathematical equation. Someone closer to McCain on economics and to Clinton on social policy might have found Obama’s stated economic policies past the point they considered tenable, and Clinton’s not at that point. You may feel that the case for McCain spending as much as Obama was clear, but others would disagree for reasons other than racism.

    I’m not disagreeing with you that there was racism out there. Just that there isn’t enough data to indict large groups of people just based on being Democrats who voted for McCain.

  85. Joseph wrote:

    @Tami,
    This is lovely but sad. It is written beautifully and describes a painful situation too many of us have found ourselves in. I have also been deeply wounded by careless comments about my background made by friends in the past. And I can identify with your struggle around this.

    But while I don’t doubt that you made the right decision to end the friendship, I have a complicated reaction to your decision to simply not call her back and let it fade away. You write, ” I just let the figurative and literal distance grow between us…It’s just easier not to talk about race, isn’t it?” I completely understand your impulse but…it isn’t really easier, is it? In the long run it is more difficult. Not for her, but for you. One of the things that is so moving about your essay are your conflicted feelings about your former friend. And I think that may stem from the fact that you never really told her how you felt.

    I am not suggesting that it is your role or responsibility to “educate” Mona on the whys and wherefores of race. You are not the Ambassador To Blackness whose job it is to school errant white people. But she wasn’t exactly a random acquaintance…she was your friend. In other words, someone you were close enough with to make her awful behavior feel like more of a betrayal.
    When this has happened to me (and it has, more than once) I have often done the same thing and simply walked away–but only if the relationship was not a close one (like the guy I worked with at a Shakespeare theater who suggested to me after 9/11 that I should apologize to him (!) because I bore some essential responsibility for the fall of the twin towers due to my ethnicity). But I have a different standard for the people I am closest with. When things have come up–and they have– I have talked about them (and they have done the same with me) and the situation has been defused.

    I don’t expect my friends to be perfect but I expect them to hear me. And to take me into account when they do. The people I am closest with do that–and that is why those friendships work. Not because we are always on the same page, but because we treat one another with care even when we disagree.

    If you had been more open with your friend when she was being such an asshole then perhaps when the friendship ended you might have more peace about it.

    I am not saying this as a criticism or a judgment, but rather as insight from someone who has tried it both ways.

  86. Nelly wrote:

    If someone is very socially liberal, then he/she really had no business voting for the Republican ticket. And I still don’t recall waves of those fiscally conservative Democrats endorsing Bush over Kerry.

    This may be getting off-topic, but Sarah Palin is in no way, shape, or form a feminist. She is nothing like Hillary Clinton. I have a hard time seeing the PUMAs move to support Palin (and McCain) as anything other than race-based and born of privilege. PUMAs (along with the initial comments of Gloria Steinem and Geraldine Ferraro – I don’t care that they ended up voting for Obama) illustrated – more than anything – why women of color often feel so disconnected from the mainstream feminist movement.

    What makes Palin more “relatable” than the average Republican (she is, after all, a pretty hardcore conservative)? What makes her more “likable” than Laura Bush (who has actually expressed pro-choice views)? I don’t remember this welcoming of Laura Bush or other Republicans into the “sisterhood.” And, I’m not sure how wanting to vote for a major party is an excuse; I seriously can’t wrap my head around that.

  87. Michelle wrote:

    I’ve lost quite a few friends to racism. I hate that because I’m white, people automatically assume that I won’t be offended or will agree.

  88. Amanda wrote:

    Tami, thanks for the follow-up on your original post about Mona – I honestly have wondered if anything more ever came of it since first reading that post. I’m sad to hear that it worked out the way that it did – that she hadn’t changed, that you had to waste a perfectly good meal on it, and I’m sad that what you got in return for your hope and trust that maybe things were different was absolutely nothing worth your while.

  89. TM wrote:

    RE: Octogalore re: Nelly

    ‘Not really seeing how one could claim to be a socially liberal democrat, vote for McCain over Obama, and not have a good-sized racist bone in them. Unless of course I misunderstand the definition of a democratic mind -set. McCain’s not really that guy. Let’s face it, all of our friends, etc. are losing their jobs because of the economic collapse. John McCain was full bore with spending $12 billion PER MONTH the past 6 years (up to 100 years) to destroy people (for what?) and now everyone’s up in arms about $800 Billion to (try) and rescue the average man.

    I could be really wrong about it. But I CANNOT see how any democrat can justify voting for McCain over Obama based on that and not have a problem with his Black heritage. It’s a long stretch for me to believe it. But help me understand…?

  90. A. wrote:

    Mona was a snake to begin with. And as was said before, you’re better off without her. When she was the underdog at a company of rich girls, she knew what it was like to be on the “underprivileged” end of the stick, but goddamn if she didn’t forget that when she moved to DC and the tables turned.

    I would like for the tables to turn on her again. Maybe this time, she’ll realize that her own actions have led to her being alone. No one likes to deal with a person who is half-hearted in stopping prejudice and social evils, but will be happily complicit in it.

  91. atlasien wrote:

    I’ve browsed a few PUMA websites. They’re virulently racist. I felt like a taking a shower afterwards. PUMAs consist of openly racist white people, plus a tiny sprinkling of people of color, who are just as racist as the white people but slightly more deranged.

    They don’t seem to care about supporting Hillary… it’s all about hate for Obama and spite for anyone who doesn’t hate Obama. This site even lays out a convincing case that they’re a hate group in the embryonic stage.

    I think Bush was possibly the worst President ever, but I would never let hatred of him consume so many of my waking hours like hatred of Obama does for PUMAs. It’s really unhealthy and disturbing.

  92. TM wrote:

    @atlasien

    As I said, it would be a stretch for me to believe that those so-called democrats aren’t racist. But since when did ‘democrat’ connote ‘not-racist’? And visa-versa?

    On the other hand, you just brought up another interesting topic, perhaps for another blog, Blacks who (hate) are racist against blacks.

    Now I need to take a shower….

  93. atlasien wrote:

    I never said “Democrat” meant “not racist”. That would be unsupportable and naive.

    I’m just saying that the PUMAs are virulently racist.

    For a quick sample, see here.

    Maybe not all of them are at that level of sheer frothing hatred, but they refuse to condemn or call out the other PUMAs that are.

  94. Penni Brown wrote:

    @#90 – I totally agree with your POV. I was thinking the same thing. She was the lowest on the totem pole and probably sub-consciously – chose someone that she considered even lower to be friends with.
    I don’t think these racist thoughts come from nowhere. I think they just wait for the right oppty to show themselves.

    Seen it play out many times before.

    @Tami – I’m so glad you shared the story with us. It’s hard losing a friend…and she was the one that lost out.

  95. Jamerican Muslimah wrote:

    Yeah, I had to distance myself from my friend Dan. He thought he was so liberal and “down” but then a bunch of racist garbage came spewing out of his mouth. I don’t know which one is worse- him or the White former friends I had who wanted to pretend like race didn’t exist.

    What’s a PUMA?

  96. jo wrote:

    Wow. As some other people have said, in all kinds of bigotry there’s a difference between ignorance and mean-spirited stupidity, and what you describe of Mona falls fully into the latter category. I couldn’t see myself being able to keep up a friendship with someone like that and I wouldn’t see the point. I can only think of one ex-friend who made comments that really crossed the line in that direction, and indeed, he is an ex-friend, though I can’t say to what degree I got fed up with his various prejudices and to what degree with him just being an insensitive ass, to me, directly. (Not surprising that people who are mean in one way are often mean in others.)
    When it comes to ignorance, there are many gradations, and I think I’m actually less harsh with people than I used to be and more prone to argue things out. Maybe it’s because I realize more and more how many ignorant comments I’ve made in my life and been ashamed of later; I would hate to be judged entirely on those particular mouthfuls of foot. Or maybe it’s because I just find myself in more of those conversations in social contexts, since people have a harder time pigeonholing me on non-racial things than they did when I was younger and thus let their guard down: if they don’t really think of me as American because I’ve been here so long, don’t really think of me as queer because I date boys, don’t really think of me as a (formerly illegal) immigrant because I’m white, maybe even don’t really think of me as a WOMAN because I date girls, then they may reveal attitudes they might otherwise have shut up about.
    Of course, friendship can’t be about educating people full-time, whether on dumb-headedness directly offensive to you or offensive to the world in general. But when it comes to the occasional bs-calling, I’m grateful to those who have bothered to take the time with me… so if I care about someone and respect their intelligence for other reasons, I’m happy to pass on the favor.

  97. Alyssa wrote:

    @ Nelly (post 73)
    It’s funny because I believe you are talking about my comment (#52) when you say you don’t understand why people (me) say that PoCs should recognize the humanity in racists. I say this is funny because I compleatly agree with everything you said in comment 73. No one has the obligation to put up with/correct racist comments made by other people (even when it is made out of ignorance).
    My point is actually the very same thing you said in your third paragraph. Most people are really offended when they are called racist and will start to backtrack when called on it. In this backtracking, they usually say something that is even worse (like you are being too sensitive). I think it is important for PoCs to remember if they are trying to have a legitimate conversation about racism with a white person. I also think it is important for white people to remember that PoCs live with constant microagressions and PoCs have every right to feel offended when racism is percieved- even if that wasn’t the intent of the offending comment. I only bring this up becasue I think it is important for BOTH parties involved to try to understand one another. Otherwise, all that happens is both parties stop listening to eachother and the problem gets worse.

  98. jordan wrote:

    To speak to whether or not white people ever de-friend other white people for being racist, sexist or otherwise, my answer is yes. I related to the scenario in this piece very much. While I tolerate a lot that white people say that perhaps I should challenge, the people I’ve most often de-friended are people I first took to be liberal, much like Mona. It’s my fellow liberal white folks who will take up certain causes then be perfectly willing to say this neighborhood is ghetto and that policy is reverse discrimination who upset me most.
    My realization after reading this piece is that something doesn’t work for me on a very interpersonal emotional level rather than on a political level. Sometimes, I feel like these people betray me. They don’t have the ideals they seemed to advertise and I resent their ala carte approach to politics. Other times, I feel like these people mock me in my attempts to be a critical and thoughtful person in the world. I consider my liberal viewpoints to be a life-long engagment with the world. I read, I listen, I think about what I read and hear. I don’t vomit bullshit armchair theories about the world at people based on my limited experiences, and I expect them to extend the same courtesy. I don’t blame POC for being wary of white people. We’re weirdos.

  99. TM wrote:

    @ Atlasien #93

    No worries. Just meant the ‘Democrat…’ statement as rhetorical- not in reference to anything you said.

    @ Jordan

    I agree with your statement, “They don’t often have the ideals they seemed to advertise…”. I’d rather know where people stand up front. The PUMA movement, although comical at first, was insulting and, dare I say, painful. To hear Mona essentially say that she’d rather help out the animals of Katrina than the (Black) people… really hurts, but it’s a reality I’m not shocked by. I’d just as soon hear it from a KKK member and not someone I’d consider a friend. Or a David Duke Republican and NOT a Hillary Clinton Democrat….

  100. Nelly wrote:

    Alyssa, I understand your viewpoint. I know that dialogue and face-to-face conversation are important in tackling racism. I just don’t think that the average Person of Color should feel any responsibility to White people (no matter how well-meaning) when it comes to racism. If a White person really wants to become more learned, there are plenty of anti-racist workshops and diversity training seminars. As a starting point, there are scores of great books one can read (I’ve been in too many conversations with “committed anti-racists” who’ve never heard of basics like “The Mis-Education of the Negro”). There are sites like Racialicious. I’m not saying you shouldn’t talk with your friends when they do something offensive. But, after a couple or so incidents, I’m finished. I just won’t expend the energy for more. I don’t think anybody’s worth it.

    And – when it comes to racist actions- one of the last things on my mind is how it hurts or affects White people. I really don’t care that people are offended by the word “racist.”I really don’t care to see where Miley Cyrus is coming from. I really don’t want to hear where the person who hates Blacks or Latinos or Asians is coming from. I just want them out of my face and out of my life. If they really want to change their behavior, then they have to be active (not depend on People of Color to hold their hand in the process).

    Open dialogue is important, but – ultimately – it is the individual White person’s burden/responsibility/job to become less racist. No person of color (be it stranger, friend or family member) really owes them anything. If a White person decides to stop listening to People of Color or instead focus on how hurt they were when they were called a racist, then they really weren’t that committed to eradicating their racism anyway.

  101. NancyP wrote:

    Here’s a time saving thought – for those awkward moments when someone says “teach me” without evidence of having read a little and thought a little on their own, whip out your handy “anti-racism 101″ business-size card with one or two decent anti-racism and white privilege 101/FAQ websites listed…

    OK, there’s some snark here, mostly because I figure that a little honest self-examination and a little common sense are half the solution, and neither the Intertoobs nor the person queried can supply those.

    On the other hand, I am all for public libraries handing out pamphlets with a short list of websites, and for personal websites to have a sidebar of resources. And I do think that it is ok to ask someone who writes a lot about a given topic (aka “expert” or “enthusiast”) about their favorite sites, books, authors on that topic.

    PUMAs? It was fine to be a PUMA for a week, and say that HRC was the best candidate.* On day 8, time to grow up! The non-loudmouth HRC advocates didn’t strike me as racist at first, but the ones that self-identified as PUMAs got worse as time went on, and the non-PUMA bulk of HRC advocates just said, oh well, and went on to work for Obama and down-ticket people.

    The PUMA sites linked above are pathetic.

    All that aside, I don’t think that it is PUMA-ish to believe that women will have to lobby Obama more vigorously than they might (might! HRC was getting more mushy by the minute) have had to lobby HRC in order to make sure that women’s health got a fair shake. It really burns me that poor women’s access to contraception was the sacrificial item for this stimulus package – as if preventative health care involving blood pressure check, blood/urine glucose check, oral contraceptives prescription, and Pap test is any different from care involving blood pressure and glucose checks, PSA test, and nicotine patch/gum smoking cessation aid prescription. The blame belongs to the Repugnants, who would rather see the country in a depression than see a Democrat scrape together some jobs. I can’t help but think that O. chickened out, and that women who want full health coverage will have to be aggressive lobbyists in order to keep O. on track.

    *(Disclaimer: I voted for O. in a Super Tuesday primary, but was strongly considering HRC, as she had not had major eruptions yet. After Super Tuesday was over, she started saying or letting Bill say things that made me happy I chose O.)

  102. pololly wrote:

    Just agreeing wholeheartedly with Nelly. I spent many many years feeling a responsibility to ‘discuss’ race with blatantly racist people because they brought up their foul mouthed crap in question form.

    “Why do black people like calling women b*tches?”

    “Why do black people want special help; can’t they just do it on merit like everyone else?”

    “But if black men commit so many more crimes, why is it wrong to be scared of them?”

    So many people, so many ‘liberal people’ express their racism like this. Sure, some people genuinely want answers but most just want cover to tell you all the horrible things they believe. I would literally be cornered and these issues be brought up one after the other. You can’t be offended – they want to learn! Most POC feel some responsibility to educate because we understand that it is good for everybody. But ultimately the responsibility is not on me. Like Nelly said, no one ever thinks to pick up a book from a library and read it. By the time you are through with the people who are pretending never to have heard of affirmative action despite having gone to college (and just *cannot* understand the rationale for it, can you explain it to me?), you do not have time for the openly racist ones.

    I have to say – I defriend people for one racist comment, I don’t care. I respect Tami’s patience but I don’t buy into this whole long suffering negro thing. No level of relationship gives someone the right to speak to me like that AND no past gifts, shared experiences or life long friendship puts any duty on me to do anything other than get up and walk away. When people say ‘open dialogue’, what they really mean is the POC putting up with little indignities and implied insults and biting their lip while taking time and emotional energy to educate another adult who then gets to pat themselves on the back for their ‘progress’. A lot of the time it is not worth it (for the POC at least).

  103. Cynthia wrote:

    @ post 100: Diversity seminars DO NOT WORK and often only perpetuate stereotypes. Yo go to one and they’ll generally tell you that such and such a culture likes to receive business cards with one (or two) hands, that you’re supposed to this or that, etc… when you speak with them. While this might address your visit to that country (or meeting with people from this or that country here), it doesn’t necessarily address people of that culture who grew up in this part of the world, who may be culturally integrated with the “mainstream.” I can’t tell you how many times people (usually older white women who have gone through diversity training) have asked me if Cynthia is indeed my “real name” and/or why I decided to call myself Cynthia over something more from “my culture.”

  104. SolShine7 wrote:

    An extremely moving post! Thanks for sharing a piece of your story.

  105. TM wrote:

    @Pololly 102

    Agree with you. It’s coming time now that my non-black bro’s and sis’ starting calling that stuff out. We must change the “why do black people do this, etc…” to “why do unfortunate, uneducated, people speak that way?”. People who are considered ‘white trash’ aren’t born that way- they’re born ‘into’ that ‘way’. And these ‘Mona PUMA’s’ realize and acknowledge that. But when it comes to the black kids hanging out on the street corner, ‘aimlessly’ waiting for nothing, the same doesn’t apply.

    Again, I just NEED someone to tell me what it is that (let’s call them) ‘Mona’s use as deductive reasoning? dysfunctional upbringing= dysfunctional person? What?

    I’m approx. 6′3′ 200lbs. So I realize people will check me. I realize that people in parking lots, and ATM’s, dark sidewalks don’t know me. But (and I know this is not PC, but for clarity) I don’t look like the ‘thug’-like, typical, pants hanging down, African American yougster- I’m a grown man (let’s say I’m about 10 years ahead of Kanye West- sort of).

    I always thought that most Mona’s were antsy about the ‘thug’ looking ‘black’ guy. But that DOES NOT seem to be the case. Is it simply about skin color? I swear, I could be in a suit and people will still double back and lock their car doors, or cross the street, or grab their children…. PLEASE DO LOCK YOUR CAR DOORS…. just do it before you see me. And don’t make it so obvious. It’s insulting….

    Don’t misunderstand me. There are some crazy guys out there. OF ALL RACES!!! Be quick about your ATM visits, lock your doors and keep your children near you. I tell me girlfriend to “keep your eyes open” when she’s out. Even I will go to a preferred gas station at night. But damn…I’m so obviously easy going. Is it really just about skin color with these Mona’s????

  106. Baiskeli wrote:

    @TM

    Just under 6 ft, 175 lbs, geeky harmless looking and shy, and yet people sometimes react to me as if I’m some extremely dangerous threatening person (same experience as you). It is about skin color, and how some people use that as their marker. My opinion is that people who buy into stereotypes are lazy and just not interested in actually critiquing them or are using them to justify their biases.

    I’m at the age where I’m too old/too tired to teach people, and I’m in my mid 30s! I’m also African, so I’ve gotten tired of trying to disabuse people of their dumb stereotypes. There was a time I would explain, but now when someone meets me and says something stupid, I usually reply sarcastically (and put them in the box of people I don’t want to waste my time with.

    i.e if someone meets me and says

    “Wow, you speak English very well!”

    I smile back and say

    “Thank you, so do you!”

    I don’t waste my time going into how English is one of our National languages etc etc. Those days are long gone. Most times I think people either get the point and either engage from a point of mutual respect or leave me alone.

    At some point, you come to the realization that for your own mental health you have to admit that you can’t educate all the stupid folk out there and the burden of disabusing people of their stereotype is not yours. Mind you if someone asks something in the spirit of true openness and curiosity I reply in kind.

  107. G.K. wrote:

    @Tami

    You should’ve just called your friend out on her racist BS and asked her why the hell she had all this hate for black people (’cause it’s pretty obvious, from what you wrote about her and her actions, that she did) and what exactly the hell was up with that. And then you should’ve made it clear that every time she said some nasty insulting BS about black people, that she was insulting and disrespecting you as a black woman,too. I don’t understand why you felt the need to hold back just because she was your friend—okay, maybe I understand you not wanting to bring up the specific topic of race believing it would damage the friendship,but ironically, that’s what it ended up doing anyway. But, yeah, after a certain point, you should’ve got on her case about it—there’s only so much you should allow yourself to take from someone just because she/he’s your friend.

  108. TM wrote:

    I hear you Baiskeli. ‘Looks as though we need a ‘Mona’ to get on here and just spell it out for us. What is it about dark skin that just turns some (Monas) into social savages? Is it the whole ‘diminishing gene pool’ thing? Do certain people feel that in order to maintain the “pure” gene pool, they have to ‘keep the blacks at bay’? Everybody’s gene pool is diminishing somewhat. Or is it indeed that simple- self preservation…?

    ‘Not asking for a perfect world. The Monas of this world will always be around. ‘Problem is, like the Mona that moved to DC (where I live), she may be in a position of influence one day. THAT’S A BIG PROBLEM. And there are many,many more out there….

  109. Nelly wrote:

    Cynthia, I completely understand your viewpoint. I was actually hesitant to use the term “diversity training” because, for many, it brings to mind experiences like yours. When I say “anti-racist workshops and diversity training seminars,” I’m thinking of the work done by people like Racialicious’ Carmen, work that would actually help one’s understanding of race.

    http://www.racialicious.com/2009/02/04/starting-tomorrow-diversity-career-success/

  110. PatrickInBeijing wrote:

    As a white guy, I dump white folks with racist attitudes. Can’t stand to be around them, don’t want to listen to their… (doing so cost me a job once, but upon leaving I felt SOOOO free!!!).

    The thing is, it isn’t just the individuals, it is the culture. Mona is reflecting back what she hears around her every day. The Washington D.C. she is living in is the DC of the government, not the people. The scariest thing is that she probably IS reflecting the attitude of a lot of the government. (Which can clearly be seen in the response to Katrina.)

    I think Tami was right to just drop her, she has become a waste of time, sadly for her.

  111. Adrianna wrote:

    I have cuts lot’s of people loose in my life last year I’ve let my some of my bigoted friend go, I could no longer deal with their crap and not acknowledge it . Now I’m trying to cut ties with some of my family members. They talk about loyalty and how I only have them ( Not true!). My mother is one of them she is very sexist when I don’t agree with her she says things like the only thing to set me straight is to have a man beat the crap out of me,( this is from someone who suffered domestic violence) other family members have said some really disgusting things about people from other countries and some all around sexist and homophobic things. I just found out that a friend of mine that I really like who is a light skin black has some hidden prejudice toward dark skin people. I live with those family members but I’m trying to leave, cause I’m so tired of hearing their sexist ,homophobic racist all around bigoted crap all the time. I Happy you got some closure Tami. I wish I could leave all these bigot behind!( for financial reason i can’t just yet) hearing that crap everyday is slowly killing my soul. I can’t change their mind either cause they say that that’s not how thing work in Haiti and that my radical view about equality will get me killed if i repeat them in public. I can’t wait to leave Haiti too. I really don’t want to get killed for being anti racist , anti sexist , anti Homophobia, and just all around anti bigotry. At 23 almost 24 , I am tired of having to deal with that crap and then to have my views on these issues laugh at and to be threaten with death ,because of them is just tiring and leave me morally defeated. I need a safe cocoon about now.

  112. Melmel wrote:

    As difficult as it might be, I think you should send this blog to your friend, Mona. I dump stupid racist friends all the time, but not without a very in-depth email explaining why.
    I am going to go New Age on you. This friend’s suffering was an opportunity for you to bring some light into the world. After some time and distance, you might want to think about ways to reintroduce Mona to her higher self. It’s not your responsibility to do this- rather an opportunity. She might not change, but at least your soul will know you try. And hers will too.
    Mona is your sister as much as the people for whom she had so much contempt. Maybe help bring her back to herself.

  113. Melmel wrote:

    And PS-
    I am not saying that Tami should be as someone put it “the long suffering negro” but to simply reflect back Mona’s stuff to her. Her really out there nasty digs are some kind of invitation psychologically. And while you don’t have to be her therapist, you do have an opportunity to untwist some twist stuff. She might be even more racist, but at least on some level, someone she knows would have told her. No matter what broke up your friendship- you should talk about it. That’s one thing I make sure to do with all friends- be as honest as possible about why I am phasing them out.

  114. anon wrote:

    “What I wonder about is what this does to white-white friendships. Do white people lose friendships with other white people over racism?”

    yes this definitely happens, but usually with less important friends and its usually not nearly as painful as it apparently was in this case. I will also say that I have two people in my life who are racist enough (of the lib white stupid but not nearly as hostile as this woman is) variety that I would have cut them out of my life, but 1) is my best friend since i was 15. When she says something ignorant about Africa or Brooklyn or my relatives or partner I tell her she is being racist, and then when she wants to argue i just tell her that i dont want to argue about it, but that I dont like it when she says racist things. The other is my OTHER best friend’s husband. If I could some how lose him without losing her i woudl have done it years ago. In his case, after years of fruitless fighting, i just ignore him. Not only when he is racist, pretty much all the time.

    i’ve also had the experience several times of reconnecting with old friends and lovers and over coffee having the thought ” I dont remember your being so racist….” and then thats pretty much the last they hear of me.

  115. anon wrote:

    I will say, though, that when my partner and I actually live together in the same city, it will probably be the case that these people will either have to change or i will have to finally drop them, because when i picture him dealing with that kind of garbage from people who are supposed to by my “best” friends, it sounds really…depressing and exhausting.

  116. anon wrote:

    i’d email her the blog post, not out of desire to help or belief that it will, but a little bit out of 1) spite–letter her know what she is missing and 2) pride—for writing such a great post

  117. anon wrote:

    finally–you said she was dating black guys-do you think its DC or is she pulling the classic racist move of taking out the actions of some asshole on you, Barak Obama, all of DC, all of New Orleans and the Rutgers Women’s Basketball Team?