Black Conservatism Revisited

by Guest Contributor David Schraub, originally published at The Debate Link

First of all, I want to thank all of the folks who have helped touch off this conversation and have given me so many kind words, particularly Andrew Sullivan for the original link, Rod Dreher at Crunchy Con and the Dallas Morning News, Jim Buie, Robert George, Rafique Tucker (who gets special shout-out as a fellow Marylander), and all the other folks who have left comments or emailed me. I really think this is an important conversation to be had, and I’m particularly gratified that so many people have been so willing to accept with an open mind the existence of parallel Black political orientations which don’t perfectly map on to what we normally think of as “liberal” and “conservative”.

I wanted to take this opportunity to tie up a couple loose threads in my brief exposition of Black Conservative ideology, the most glaring of which was relying a bit too heavily on separatism as a unifying factor of Black Conservatism. To be sure, I think that it is a very important strand in Black Conservative thought, and one that exists left and right. But someone inquired how Clarence Thomas (who is quite tied in with an important “White” institution, after all) fits into this metric. And he doesn’t — at least, not quite. Justice Thomas is clearly not a separatist. But he does, I believe, subscribe to the more critical aspect of Black Conservatism — a deep skepticism that Whites will abandon racism, particularly due to high-minded moral appeals. But unlike the separatists, Thomas’ Black Conservatism simply urges Black people to accept that racism will be there and will always be there — and win anyway. Elsewhere I called it the “hit me with your best shot” strain of Black Conservatism — that which does not kill Black people makes them stronger, so rather than complain or fruitlessly war against the existence of racist people and racist institutions in American life, just grit your teeth, lower your shoulder, and win the game.

Now, this may make sense for Black people. The reason I say I respect Black Conservatism is that — in a world where racism still is an important constricting force — it’s important to let Black people decide for themselves how they want to adapt to it. I don’t think I have the right to ask Black folks to constantly be warriors for integration.

But, I don’t think White folks can take this same position. It’s one thing for a Black person to say to his fellows, “look, Whites are always going to be racist, so you got to figure out a way to survive in that world rather than wasting your energy on a fruitless quest to end racism.” It’s quite another for a White guy to tell Blacks, “look, we’re always going to be racist, so you have to figure out how deal with that and thrive anyway.” Black conservatism is a very convenient philosophy for White people, because it essentially assumes the worst in us, absolving us of our duty to overcome racism. I think our response to Black Conservatives has to be one of respect, but also of a burning desire to prove them wrong — to show them that, yes, we can and will extend the hand.

But anyway. Ultimately, then, the unifying force in Black Conservatism is not separatism (though many are, to varying degrees), the unifying force is the belief in the permanence of racism. Black Liberals seek ways to obliterate racism, Black Conservatives seek ways to thrive in spite of it.

So that’s the main thing. The other quick point I wanted to expand on was where conservative Black Conservatism differs from conservatives who are Black (someone asked why I wouldn’t characterize Ward Connerly as a Black Conservative). The short answer is that the latter simply doesn’t believe that racism is a major factor in affecting the life chances of Black people anymore — their problems lie on other axes. Needless to say, these can start to bleed into each other — the line between saying racism exists but you should simply push past it through the will to succeed and saying that racism is not really that important is thin, but it is there. Blacks who are conservative don’t necessarily believe that racism continues to be a big player in the affairs of Blacks, Black Conservatives think it’s a permanent feature of the landscape, but that can’t be an excuse for failing.

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Comments

  1. geo wrote:

    these posts on Black Conservatism are embedded with a lot of new ideas to take in. i’m still chewing on these notions.

    my question for you is do you think the Black folks in the GOP would agree with your assessment? have asked any card carrying Black republicans? also, do you think these two differentiations apply to other minority groups in the republican party or is it theory exclusively for Black folks cause of the sordid history with America?

  2. Jess wrote:

    I think your characterization of Black Conservatism is interesting, and it points out something that is a huge failure: thriving in spite of racism.

    At a certain point, that just doesn’t work. Try to name an ethnic group that had any kind of success — and here I mean being able to offer members of said group the same opportunities as the majority culture — without engaging and demanding its rights.

    I mean, the Amish managed to build a separate economy from the “English,” and I suppose you cold argue that the Orthodox Jews have done so also, but neither case was the kind of bootstrapping that Black Conservatives talk about.

    I know that I am describing a kind of separatism here, and that’s sort of the point.

    And then there is the problem of Black Conservatives views on gender relations and culture itself. The problem with their position on racism is that it assumes things about culture that just ain’t so — or at least, haven’t been demonstrated.

    And of course, there’s the problem of, if your position is that the majority will always deny you your rights, how the heck are you supposed to win the game at all? There were successful black people in the US in 1850, but does that mean you should give up on abolishing slavery?

    I don’t think it’s out of line for anyone, white or black, to point to where they see Black Conservatives buy into the very same racist assumptions (or racializing) assumptions as white racists do. The identity of the person saying that doesn’t affect whether it is true or not.

    I mean, I understand why many black people become conservatives, but since that position works against the social changes I believe in, I’m not going to treat a bad idea with any more respect than it deserves. Do I respect Clarence Thomas? Yeah, because he’s human and deserves that. But that doesn’t mean his ideas or legal philosophy are worth anything to me.

    As far as I am concerned he’s someone who bought into his pseudo-libertarian thing because he wanted the world to know he succeeded himself on his own merits. The problem is that would be true anyway — attacking affirmative action doesn’t ratchet up his accomplishments, though he seems to think it does. And having been the beneficiary of such doesn’t take anything away. But that’s his thing to figure out, I guess.

  3. Ron wrote:

    The critical response to all of this, just proves the lack of real discussion about what it MEANS to be black and conservative. It’s because most of the mainstream TV black conservatives are either just as loathsome and out of touch as their white counterparts and the ones who are more reasonable, aren’t really all that appealing to those of us who are liberty minded.

  4. Ron wrote:

    I will give you this. I believe that racism is not my problem to solve. I know too many cases of children who show racists tendicies so I do not question Gd’s will in that respect but deal with the circumstances as they come.

    Black conservatives and abolitionists almost killed each other in their quest to end racism.

    The integrationists allowed women and children to be in harms way to end racism.

    The ANC has given away the country and are cursed with trying to get it back in a dignified manner.

    African muslims represent the bottom rung of the ladder in diverse Islamic societies trying to be accepted.

    Black Nepalese represent the downtrodden among the Buddahist trying to wait it out.

    The Dravidians, Tamils, and Dalits try varying methods to be accepted within the Hindu superstructure.

    Black latins are relegated to lowly status through acculturation.

    Negritos/diminuitive blacks in South east asia are basically extinct for not fighting within the system.

    So you tell me – how should black people utilize their time?

    We cannot cry or runaway from racism. We must run through it.

  5. Marco wrote:

    While I applaud your effort to rethink what we have conventionally conceive “conservatism,” I still find parts of your piece problematic.

    Of course when you set up dichotomies you always run the risk of oversimplification. I think your treatment of Black conservatives and conservative who are Black compelling. But I would like for you to tease out a little more the distinction between Black liberal and Black conservatives. I don’t quite see the distinguishing features of both political orientations being mutually exclusive. That is, I believe Black liberalism, if you will, to be open to theorizations of thriving while working to dismantle racial oppression. In this sense, your piece seems to reify the impasse of the structure vs. agency debate.

  6. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Whether “Black Conservatives” admit or deny the existence of racism seems a relatively minor point to me. If they act as if racism doesn’t exist, they might as well deny its existence. If they don’t speak out against it and oppose it, I’d say they’re no different from non-Black Conservatives.

  7. Monie wrote:

    True African American conservatism really can’t be represented by Clarence Thomas any more than true White conservatism can be represented by George Bush. Both Thomas and Bush represent a very distorted and corrupted type of conservatism.

    African American conservatism can’t really be examined without acknowledging that the church is the foundation of political thought for many African Americans. The truth is that many Black conservatives appear liberal to the untrained eye. They vote for Democrats and they speak in favor of Affirmative Action but they are very much conservatives.

    They don’t publicly identify themselves as conservatives because the Republican Party has hi-jacked the conservative label. So to understand Black conservatism and have a thoughtful discussion on the topic one would need to consider the real Black conservative movement and not confuse it with Black public figures that identify as Republicans and spout pull yourself up by your bootstraps nonsense.

    You can’t know what Black conservatism is by watching FOX News. You have to actually know average African Americans otherwise you will continue to confuse hypocrites like Clarence Thomas as being a Black conservative.

  8. Josh wrote:

    Monie, I agree that Bush is a phony, but how is CT not a real conservative?

  9. Monie wrote:

    Josh,

    Thomas is a hypocrite. He speaks against Affirmative Action and yet he took advantage of it. He spouts ‘pull yourself up by the bootstrap’ without having a moral compass to understand that not everyone can. That’s not true Black conservatism.

    True Black conservatism is rooted in Christian values. So a Black conservative believes in self help but also understands the need for community involvement. Thomas does not believe this nor understand it, according to what he has said in the past.

    Clarence Thomas is a confused man trying to fit in somewhere. He’s angry at the Black community because many mock him. So he rejects everything that true Black conservatives believe and adopts a pseudo-White conservative stance on the issues.

  10. RENESSA wrote:

    When I saw the title of this blog, I prepared myself to be perturbed by outlandish ideals. I was presently surprised to find a well thought out piece. I had never considered that there was a difference between Black Conservatives and conservatives that happen to be black. I agree with the premise of the seperation of the two. I know that there have been times that I embraced some conservative views but was reluctant to align myself with White conservative views. I really liked your explanation of the Black Conservative . I also enjoyed reading the responses. I think you learn from dissent. I appreciate the fact that although everyone is not in agreement, they disagree in a manner that educates the reader and is very respectful. To Rob Schmidt: I think your comment reiterated the writers point of view. He states that Black Conservatives and Black Liberals both contend that racism exists but they offer different approaches to addressing it. I agree with a previous comment that to appropriately address the issue of racism (which is only one of many that this group of individuals would concern themselves with) they would need to take in to consideration the viewpoints of both Liberals and Conservatives. While I may be able to attain the goals set for myself despite the effects the racism (pull myself up by my bootstraps), it may be necesary for me to advocate for others at some other point in time.

  11. WestIndianArchie wrote:

    It’s hilarious to me that there’s even a debate here.

    I wouldn’t even call “black conservatism” conservatism.

    The basic gist that, “you can’t change em” is the undercurrent of *mainstream* black thought.

    Indeed, mainstream black life at its pinnacle (!) is lived not in contrast to white or in opposition to white – but by itself.

  12. Whit wrote:

    I agree with Monie’s point about the church being the foundation for (social) conservativism among black (and latino) communities, but disagree with any attempt to define what is and is not True Conservativism. One True whatever definitions are almost always not productive in these kinds of conversations.

  13. Ron wrote:

    I think what WestIndianArchie says is the gist of black conservativism.

    Black conservatives really do not emphasize opposition to any group particularly white people.

    We seek to self-examine our own shortcomings and be the best individuals we can be thereby improving our community and the world.

    My world view is defined by what is happening in my community not by whites no longer being racists.

    This is not hollywood – please do not make this into some narrative to be commercialized as neat box to categorize a certain segment within the black community.

    We have people in our community who do not even allow secular music in their households. These people are conservative to the core. If you understand the core nature of some black people they are highly religious and spiritual. “The blameless Ethiopians”

    We are not pessimistic:

    I would like to see a positive light put on black conservatives and not some characterization of black conservatives as a pessimistic fringe in the black community.

  14. Alyssa wrote:

    I think there are some people that are not giving Black Conservatism a fair assessment. Black Conservatives are not “ignoring racism.” they just are dealing with it in a different way. And honestly, I think Black Conservatism and Black Liberalism are two halves of a whole. As it has been pointed out, if blacks (or any minority community) wall themselves off from the majority, the community becomes stagnant. The majority will always deny them rights, and this denial or rights and equality makes it much harder for anyone to survive.
    However, the minority community can not simply wait for the majority to change. Something must be done in the meantime. If blacks spend all of their time trying to get whites to fix the problems they have caused, the black community will begin to rot. This is where Black Conservatism makes a lot of sense. Instead of looking outward to what they can’t control (but can influence), they look inward. They make sure they strengthen their own community so it does not need to rely on the majority.
    It is unfair to praise one side and lambast the other. Both Black Conservatism and Black Liberalism is needed to make progress.

  15. shah8 wrote:

    /me bangs head into walls. Over and Over and Over again.

    Look this kind of discussion *really* needs a bit of history in it. Like LowerManhattanite’s classic post about the relationships between the black rights activists and the women’s right activist in the latter half of the 19th century.

    We can’t have this discussion without a much deeper penetration into the whole BTWashington and DuBois conflict. Or at least somebody’s struggles! There was conservative and liberal black people making all kinds of suggestions as to betterment from the end of the Civil War to the present day, and we should not have some trite discussion based on stereotypes when all of that history is available.

    People! There is no there THERE in either post! Just a bunch of loosly connected arguments and namedropping with no connection to *either* the past or the future.

  16. EH wrote:

    I don’t know. I guess my problem is I’ve never seen fighting racism and working your way through life as two situations that have to be mutually exclusive. I know plenty of minorities in general who have great work ethic, ambition, etc and are actively anti-racist.

    And maybe I read it wrong but the premise of this article seems to be Black Conservatives believe the best way for blacks to get somewhere is to just ignore racism?? I wonder where blacks would be today if we had that type of mentality 50 years ago. I really doubt we’d have gotten as far as we have today.

    I have no problem respecting someone as a person but there’s no way I’m going to respect someone because they have an ideology I just don’t agree with. I do think black conservatives are very convenient for whites. Because as the article states it absolves them of having to take any action in the fight against racism. And like like I asked earlier, where would Blacks and America be today, if blacks had taken that mentality 50 years ago?

  17. David Schraub wrote:

    Hey all again –

    I want to thank everyone for the feedback (positive and negative); it’s been quite gratifying.

    These two posts were not the end of the road for me. Much the opposite, they inspired me to look deeper into an array of Black thinkers to see if and how they matched up with the above argument: folks like Booker T. Washington, George Schulyer, and Stokely Carmichael. It all came together in a winding, 55 page essay I wrote as an independent project this past summer.

    Many folks, I’m gathering, have been particularly hesitant to place Justice Thomas in this paradigm. So I thought I’d pull out the excerpts from the sections that deal with him, and post them on my blog. You can read them, along with the supporting bibliography here (it’s pretty long though).

    Obviously, none of this gets into many other important areas of concern to the topic: the debates between Washington and Du Bois, what folks like George Schulyer thought about groups like the Nation of Islam, etc.. Really obviously, it’s troublesome to reduce anything as wide-ranging as “Black Conservatism” into a few paragraphs of analysis (in this broader piece I’m excerpting from, I devote separate sections to Frederick Douglass, the Du Bois/Washington debates, the Black nationalist and Black power movement, the “right-wing Black Conservatives” [folks like Schulyer and Thomas], Black Liberation Theology, and Critical Race Theory). Only so much can into a blog post, even a long two of them, and I admit to speaking in broad strokes. Nonetheless, I do think there is a there there, and this is a topic I look forward to exploring more in the coming years.

  18. Jen wrote:

    I really have to commend these two posts.

    I am a Black Conservative, and you have hit the nail on the head.

    To me, my values are a function of basic common sense, so it is strange to hear people say the perspective you present is new to them or who don’t understand that Black Conservatives pursue equity (albeit, IMO, in a more functional way than Black Liberals).

    Also, you are def right in classing Clarence Thomas in this group. I have said time and again that he is one of the most misunderstood public figures of our time. When people criticize him for his ideology, I always say that, if anything, he has too much faith in Black America. I think most of the people who are unwilling to group him as you have are probably just ignorant of his background, life experiences and judicial opinions–basing their opinions of him on media hype. He isn’t a “pure” Black Conservative. But few people truly fit these archetypes we create. You’ve grouped him properly.

    Finally, I’m pleased as punch to point out that great thinker W.E.B. Du Bois shifted to Black Conservatism as he matured in life.

    No surprise there. Most of us are conservatives. :-)

  19. Jaya wrote:

    The distinction you make between the fundamentally optimistic view that racism can be abolished and the pessimistic view that racism is something we have to live with is an important one, and explains a huge disagreement between black intellectuals throughout history.

    I just don’t know if I would call it “liberalism” or “conservatism”.

  20. jen* wrote:

    I don’t know why this topic crept into my head a couple night ago before bed…but it did. And it got me thinking. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the delineation here, but according to these definitions might’n't Barack Obama be classified as a Black Conservative?

    If so, I’m not sure how useful these labels are. They seem to be able to apply to everyone [in the black community] in one way or another. Although, I can certainly see why he [BHO] might fit the Conservative moniker, considering his views on affirmative action and homosexuality.

  21. Evelyn wrote:

    As the oldest African American female sibling of 12 brothers and 4 sisters all blacks in the communities across the country are more reserved, which is what makes us appear in every thing to be conservative. what other choice did we have. we lost our language, our way of life, our virginity male and female to those European white male that had power over us, our healthy food that we consumed we were forces to eat unhealthy pork ( high blood presser number on killer of African American), work without wages, to bathe every day, to care for our teeth, Black politics? Whats that? Keep your mouth shut when white people are talking? take a lower wage than your white co worker and keep your mouth shut or you will loose even that. American of African ancestry had to hold on to something in our Fight for the wars for the “pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America”? Fight & die for “our” county, even if you do not have voting rights? (40 years ago we could not vote or get very many loans for housing) Black politics start at home, with the single mother and her male and female children? black politics are a million man march that said “so there” we proved our point? we took our son to a good time daddy day on he white house lawn and now its back to black politics as usual? If I remember correctly government sessions are open thru out the year except for the local legislative sessions. Young black men and women are in session 24 hours a day 7 days a week? with out their dads. Black politics are held all night long on the darken streets of our inner cities when the lone bread winner single mom is holding down her second job while her black sons and daughters sell crack to their own daddy’s, uncles, brothers and sisters. I can go on with the black politics question for some time. Our Black president is a new cattle of fish proving that there is a black situation and always have been. but the government is the same as always. blacks and their black “politics” best get on board the “Change” and deal with reality. It was this same government of “ours” that freed the African slaves (think about this hard). and where were our politics then ( you may not like it but think about this hard)? while we were making “cotton king” I come from a family of sharecroppers and they still are sharecropping to this day and have not purchased one acre of land? why? politics. black is just a color and so is white. Ever hear of the Gray Panthers? do you know who and what they are. Politics are gray? does not matter if its labeled black (African American) or white ( European American). The best this USA government has ever done is to shade things over that is why we are in the mess that we are in? When your hair turns gray it all becomes the same. When you die and they bury you? Same dirt same earth. the gave stone or the lack of the grave stone does not change your “Politics”. So what are you going to do? help bring about with “change” in the world of the living of all people? what one person need all need? affordable housing, health care, equal pay, education, planned parent hood education, etc etc… we all are in what is called the “reevaluation of ourselves and our community”. the only black politics are found in our mother land Africa. We here in America and in Africa don’t see our current day or our future any where but here in America. Where can you go and not find us? We were a world Commodity on the United State Stock Exchange and the world Stock Exchange? Not that we want to return to Africa this late in the game. but we do need to visit this land of our birth. they/them, what ever you want to call them are taking their vacations in Africa our mother land and are building homes in Africa and paying slave wages and even took up the same Jim Crow laws that they used on us to keep us illiterate and in fear which is the strongest from of control. and just like us, American of African Ancestry here in America, Africans in Africa are rioting in their own communities, Killing each other. Africans in African just got the rights to vote in our mother land in South African? WE ARE AMERICANS AND OUR POLITICS ARE AMERICAN POLITICS FIRST! our history month once a year will never allow us to forget who, what we are? And where we come from.. it has long been time for our education. We American of African Ancestry must take on the responsibility of the “reevaluation of our communities as well as the reeducation of our old slave master’s children who to this day allow an organization a hate group such as the KKK to march down main street USA?. The local city government are giving permits to the hate group the KKK? The black panther members were killed off? yet the KKK can march ware their hood to hide the fact that they are police officers, pastors, judges, doctors, lawyers, your neighbor, and your sister, brother , mother and father in laws? Master’s children have voted to elect to make a needed change. They do know our history as far back as the kings of our Africa. Africa is still ours, as well as America and all that love this place we call home all of our lives. There should be an agency that will send some of these gang bangers to Africa for ” revaluation of themselves. imagine their return to America. Where are the White European educational support for young black people. Don’t buy a home in Africa and pay slave wages, take a gang banger to African for 6 month to a year? make a real “Change” that will make the difference?
    Black Politics are Historically the second line of Government on this earth. The first line of government always The creator of the earth it self and all that there is . teaching the bible is the best thing, Don’t get me wrong. Love is a action verb. the bible is a action book. some need to reevaluate the bible. May all of our lives have peace that is multiplied in the active love or our creator of the heaven and the earth. I apologized for be so long winded, please try and understand that I have been “waiting to exhale” for so long not as much for the father of my children to return and be he father that he should be as I have for some “CHANGE”. SAM COOK—a CHANGE GO COME THE WINDS OF CHANGE ARE HERE. MARVIN GAYE —- LETS GET IT ON MY BROTHERS AND SISTER. IF CHANGE WAS A COLOR WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE MY BROTHERS AND SISTER?

    I don’t know if it is OK to give out my email but here it is . evelyn52murray@yahoo.com
    if this is not OK just delete it. PEACE!