“The next big shift in feminism”

by Guest Contributor Tanglad, originally published at Tanglad

Camille Paglia recently wrote a number of gushing statements about Sarah Palin, but here’s the one that made my eyes roll the hardest:

I stand on what I said (as a staunch pro-choice advocate) in my last two columns — that Palin as a pro-life wife, mother and ambitious professional represents the next big shift in feminism. Pro-life women will save feminism by expanding it, particularly into the more traditional Third World.

It’s amazing how many wrong assumptions can be crammed into two short sentences. Twenty years after Chandra Mohanty’s Under Western Eyes, and we still have Western feminists advocating colonialism for the good of Third World women?

Feminists like Paglia still refer to a monolithic Third World, a categorization that assumes a homogenous oppression of all brown and black women. Of women who are characterized by all the stereotypes attached to the word “traditional” – backwards, primitive, uneducated, victimized, poor.

Paglia employs a very narrow frame in her analysis of feminism in the Third World, one that takes issues important to a specific subset of women in the countries like the US and universalizes them as a measure of the standing of all women. And even by that measure, she’s still off, because Third World women are also “ambitious professionals.” Third World wives and mothers, in fact, have occupied high office. In the Philippines, we even have our own attractive governor/former movie star who may be considering a run for vice president.

Why would Paglia assume that these feminist issues would be the ones needed in the Third World? The answer, of course, is that family and professional concerns are the issues important to mainstream feminists in the West. The phrase “expanding it…particularly into the more traditional Third World” drips with assumption of a Western-centric feminism, one that needs to be exported to the backwards areas.

Here’s some news for you, Ms. Paglia. Women in what you term the “more traditional Third World” have been engaged in actions that you would have recognized as feminist, had you bothered to look. You can see it in the Filipina womens’ militant indigenous tradition against mining in the Cordilleras, a tradition that dates back to the 1900s. In the work of groups like Ni Unima Mas, a coalition of transnational feminists activists campaigning against feminicide in Ciudad Juarez.

And yes, Third World feminists have been at it for some time now too. In 1869, for example, a Bengali sex worker wrote to the editor of a newspaper, arguing that sex workers should be entitled equal rights to medical examination. These are just a few of the campaigns that belie Paglia’s notion of the Third World as a feminist backwater.

I’m not saying that Third World women would not benefit from a greater engagement with their first world counterparts. We need to form coalitions and to act in solidarity towards addressing our common issues. But such solidarities will only be possible when we have real conversations about what those issues are, when feminists like Paglia recognize and listen to the vital woman-centered knowledge that are continually produced in our communities.

Now that is one exchange that would truly characterize a significant shift in feminism.

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  1. yelsha wrote:

    I agree wholeheartedly with this article. Paglia turned me off so much this election season with her fawning over Palin. I look forward to the day when I no longer have to hear about that woman (I’m referring to Palin, but the same applies to Paglia). If embracing people like Palin is what we “need” to do to “advance” feminism, count me out.

  2. F-ette wrote:

    Agree with all of your points. but Paglia is no feminist, though she and the MSM use the label. She is an anti-feminist, and calling her a feminist is playing into her BS charade and the media narrative of catfighting powerful women.

  3. Coco wrote:

    I’ve always found Paglia’s take on art in Western culture to be a really interesting one, but reading her early work is to see clearly that her interests and knowledge don’t expand too far outside Western borders, or far past the 70s. She has always spoken in grand, sweeping statements about PoC and often uses WoC to further deride contemporary Western feminism. Her assertions that academic feminism is largely white, affluent and otherwise elitists are correct, but continually using WoC as a battering ram to make her point when she refuses to ask the whys or hows is why Paglia is one of the elitists feminists she claims to hate.

  4. Cara wrote:

    Agreeing with F-ette. Please, let’s tear Paglia to pieces. And please, let’s criticize those aspects of feminism that roundly deserve to be criticized. But let’s not insult the very premise of feminism by pretending that date-rape dennier and sympathizer of Sarah Palin (who would rather see women die than have access to abortion and made women pay for their own rape kits) a “feminist.”

  5. tanglad wrote:

    Great points about Paglia, Cara and F-ette.

    But beyond her, though, there are many western feminists who still advocate a problematic global sisterhood. These include feminists who perhaps mean well, but still willfully appropriate human rights language to justify occupation and colonization, in their fight to address patriarchal practices like dowry and suttee. But for Third World women, it’s impossible to separate feminism from struggles against colonialism, fundamentalisms, economic exploitation. And because these latter struggles are not often recognized as feminist, women like Paglia continue with their monolithic stereotypes about Third World women, making it even more difficult to build solidarity.

  6. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Tara and F-ette,

    I agree with Tanglad. I could bust out with a scroll of women who are capital F feminists who I don’t want speaking for me but still get to have their say in the movement. (We could start with Hirschman and keep rolling…)

    But even if we took Paglia out of the equation, there are still a lot of Western feminists who think that they have to speak *for* other women without listening to them. (Ask Fatemeh – Muslimah feminists can’t exist, according to a great many people who identify with the feminist movement.)

  7. Paz wrote:

    Thanks for this post. .
    I actually was very interested in Paglia’s work, but I was completely floored by her love of Palin and her fetish for Palin’s “Native American features.” Ugh. I agree with Coco — her feminist thought centers on white feminists.
    More “Third World” women to admire:
    –Ellen Johnson Sirleaf – President of Liberia and first African elected head of state
    –Michelle Bachelet – first female President of Chile (and South America if I’m not mistaken)
    –Ingrid Betancourt–former senator, anti-corruption activist from Colombia
    –Benedita da Silva — first Black female Senator in Brazil
    Also, the Council of Women Leaders, many of which are PoC.

  8. Aliza Hausman wrote:

    The women in my family are from the “Third World” and I would love for someone to explain feminism to my grandmother and to my 95-year-old grandmother. Yes, please explain to these woman who have been single mothers raising broods of children and juggling careers long before it was all in vogue about women’s rights and living in a “traditional” world. They were living feminism and fighting for women’s rights long before there was a banner to stand under.

  9. MK wrote:

    I can’t speak from a woman feminist’s point of view (being a guy and all), but I am interested in feminist activists. I am not all that surprised by her comments, however. Too often white so-called “liberals” try to speak for those that aren’t in the privileged place they are in; in this case, Third World countries. Do they mean well? Probably, but they feel that as good, progressive, open-minded people they are in the position to know all there is to know about what can help less fortunate people, even though those people may not need their opinions.

  10. jvansteppes wrote:

    I agree that many white feminists have a deeply colonial mindset when it comes to Othered women around the world [and at home] but I think the reference to Paglia does not necessarily provide the best stepping stone to the topic because she’s not actually accepted as a feminist by anyone but herself and Fox news.

    So let’s name some people who do enjoy respect and status in white feminist circles, that way we can specifically agitate to have their work removed from feminist book stores etc.
    For me, Nina Paley comes to mind with her appropriation of the Ramayana’s Sita. And I’m sure Germaine Greer is out there somewhere working on something problematic.

    I would love to name some professors I’ve had but I don’t know if they’d sue me for slander and none of you would know them. Maybe that calls for another thread, “Crazy shit your white women studies professors/’feminist’ aquaintances told you”…

  11. ceecee wrote:

    In addition to the list Paz has, I’d like to add
    Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala (Former Minister of Finance, Nigeria)
    Ory Okolloh (Journalist, Kenya)

  12. Tanglad wrote:

    @jvansteppes:

    Let me add the Feminist Majority’s support of the invasion of Afghanistan, supposedly to save women from the Taliban. Eleanor Smeal supported the expansion of the occupation, using rhetoric representing Afghani women as passive victims, and calling on the enlightened, paternalistic, and militarized West to act as protector. Unfortunately, this rhetoric is still used to paint the Afghan and now the Iraq invasions as just wars .

    Among academics, here’s Martha Nussbaum from Sex and Social Justice (1999):

    “And what we are going to say is: that there are universal obligations to protect human functioning and its dignity, and that the dignity of women is equal to that of men. If that involves assault on many local traditions, both Western and non-Western, so much the better, because any tradition that denies these things is unjust.”

    And even in her more recent work incorporating Amartya Sen’s capabilities approach, Nussbaum still can’t break free of that binary. Her conviction that a less than universalist approach (modern=good) leads to ethical relativism (traditional=bad!) limits what could be a promising discourse to another ethnocentric analysis.

    I don’t know if I’d agitate to have their work removed from feminist spaces, but I’d love more engagement.

    And when that other thread on what your “women’s studies professors told you” starts, oh the stories I could tell :)

  13. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @jvansteppes–
    …I think the reference to Paglia does not necessarily provide the best stepping stone to the topic because she’s not actually accepted as a feminist by anyone but herself and Fox news.

    Maybe that calls for another thread, “Crazy shit your white women studies professors/’feminist’ aquaintances told you”…

    LMAO! J, not only does my adoration for you grows with each comment, you also owe me a chamomille tea, since I spat mine out after reading your latest one.:D Especially the snap on Paglia thinking she’s a feminist 1) in her own head and 2) by Fox News.

  14. jvansteppes wrote:

    @Cruel Secretary: heehee, sorry about the tea, and thank god someone agrees with me that the original Hairspray is better.

    @Tanglad: maybe removing all that work from feminist spaces is a bit harsh but how about encouraging feminist bookstores to order something else instead? I didn’t mean to come off as a book banning control freak…

  15. Jess wrote:

    It’s been said already, but let me add (as the “old” dude here :-) ) that Paglia has been squawking about being a “feminist” since the early 1990s. I remember seeing a big deal made of her in the Village Voice back in 1992.

    Christ on a cracker, I can hardly believe anyone takes her seriously anymore. But year after frickin’ year, SSDD. Hey Camille, we get that you felt dissed by the Big Mean Girls back in the 80s. Get over it.

    So yeah, I agree that she isn’t the best starting point. Paglia as an example of a feminist? That’s like saying Hank Paulsen is interested in working people.

    There is a huge problem with many “traditional” practices — in every society. But the key to dealing with that is to understand why those practices exist and how to address them from that end. People do stuff because it works. Looking at the Afghans as either backward, or worse yet, as a bunch of mustache-twisting villains in the Feminist Story is simply silly and betrays a serious misunderstanding of how folks get to where they are.

    Y’know, I remember a remark from John Barnes. He’s a science fiction writer who also is a sociologist. He notes that in a society where you farm in order to live and your kids are 50-50 to live past 5, it is in every family’s interest to have as many children as possible, because you need the labor and someone to take care of you when you are old. It’s a rational thing to do, and does not indicate that people are backwards or stupid.

    It is only when some part of that equation changes — for instance, infant mortality drops or you don’t need the labor– that people change their behavior and customs. So, for example, as people move to cities the birthrate drops because you don’t need the labor anymore. (This phenomenon is well documented in places like Italy, Ireland and Greece, and is happening right now in India and Mexico). However, it takes a generation or so because people don’t de-acquire children, and habits take a while to change.

    Or when the infant mortality rate drops, birth rates almost always drop with them (you have fewer kids because the ones you have are more likely to live). Hence the low (relative) birth rates in rural areas of the US as opposed to, say, rural Pakistan. (Take a look at the curves sometime — it’s fascinating how improving the health of women and children cuts into population growth).

    For western feminists to assume you can impose that kind of thing from above with no reference to what’s happening on the ground is just — well, stupid is the only word I can come up with.

    And yes, I could tell stories about what I ran across in my Lesbian Literature class. Stuff like that is what makes gender studies — heck, the humanities in general — such a train wreck sometimes. Too bad, too, because the result is Paglia.

  16. NancyP wrote:

    “It’s amazing how many wrong assumptions can be crammed into two short sentences.”

    That’s why it takes a high-priced prof like Paglia to do it. $snarkoff

    jvansteppes, no-one takes Germaine Greer seriously. And the “feminist bookstore” no longer exists except in a very few cities.

    I have to admit, I agree with Nussbaum. Insofar as a tradition establishes a subordinate group of adult people, that tradition is unjust by the Rawlsian standard. The majority of human societies have been unjust to women to varying degrees, and that includes societies at all levels of technology. I would not be surprised if the Stone Age societies tended to be more egalitarian than modern technical societies.

  17. mo wrote:

    I really love Chandra Mohanty and her move from global sisterhood to transnational solidarity. And not that I want to give Paglia more space than her remarks deserve, but I get really frustrated with discussions of ‘pro-life’ like her’s.
    Many things are erased by Paglia’s support for a “pro-life expansion of feminism” (what the hell does that even entail?)–particularly the denial of engaging with the very choice paradigm that leaves out the terrible histories of sterilization abuse enacted upon women of colour, disabled women, and poor women–which (OMG) happened in North America–thus also denying the challenge of where the ‘third world woman’ lives and who she is supposed to be exactly. A pro-choice activist not only cares about access to abortion, but access to reproduction in general–a point that never makes it across Paglia’s table. A real conversation about this would force us to unpack the various levels of racism, sexism, ableism, classism (and so on) that assemble together in various ways under various rubrics to create certian conditions of oppression. I don’t think her pro-life stance really chooses to encompass this kind of history of abuse of choice–otherwise she couldn’t claim anything put a CRITICAL pro-choice stance.
    Pro life, eh? WHOSE life??

  18. Joseph wrote:

    @Tanglad
    #12
    Well said. Co-sign.

    I have to admit that I thought Paglia was hilarious in the beginning. But, for me, she went off the rails years ago. I agree with Coco @ #3 who summed her up perfectly, I think. Becoming famous did her no favors.

    But.

    Even though it is totally fucked up Sarah Palin did capture the imagination of a lot of US American women. I think it is a mistake to shrug that off…because she isn’t going away.

    So, while that “third-world” crack is horseshit I’m not sure Paglia’s other argument–that Palin represents a shift in feminism–isn’t valid on some level, despite her typically overheated language.

    With some notable exceptions like Peggy Noonan, Sarah Palin connected with women at the right end of the political spectrum in a big way. And she did it by attacking some of the key goals of late twentieth century feminism…by using feminist rhetoric. That is some serious, Rovian political Judo.

    I’m just saying, Sarah Palin on TV making pancakes with a baby on her hip while talking about foreign policy is not an accident.

  19. ieishah wrote:

    did anyone read the part of the article where paglia starts talking about how palin speaks with the rhythmic fluency of a bebop artist? welcome to paglia’s world where white women enjoy unlimited access to . . . . everything. even old school african americanist cane theory. or maybe she was aiming for a ‘beat’ reference? whatever. to suggest palin is either toomer nor kerouac is just shameless.

  20. Maysie wrote:

    First, I’m greatly offended by the image of Mohanty’s book appearing over Camille Paglia’s name.

    :)

    But seriously, excellent article. Paglia, offensive, outspoken and a media grabber, is on an extreme end of the “ruling class” white “feminists” (I don’t believe she’s a feminist either) that MSM loves to portray, mostly because such women say the same racist crap all through the decades, no growth or change there! Of course there are many more “moderate” feminists who are just as bad.

  21. Amy wrote:

    White feminist here chiming in with the Paglia-disgust and the Mohanty-love. I was lucky enough to have a VERY awesome professor for my Intro to Women’s Studies class (oh, so very long ago. . .). I’m forever grateful to her for hammering into our heads all those things that some “feminists” tend to forget – like intersectionality (no one has a gender without a race, religion, nationality, class, sexual orientation. . .) and “just because it’s socially constructed doesn’t mean it’s not real”. Also grateful for making us read Robin Morgan (the global sisterhood lady. . .hm.) and Chandra Mohanty, and for making us think about issues of transnational feminism and feminist colonialism and such.

    And this in a Intro class! I didn’t even realize how lucky I was at the time.

  22. Fatemeh wrote:

    Excellent, excellent article.

    Sometimes I feel like my eyes will explode rather than trying to roll themselves one more time…

  23. Joseph wrote:

    @NancyP
    “I have to admit, I agree with Nussbaum.”

    Whoa. Thanks for the warning.

    As nutso as Paglia is, I’ll take her wacky shit (which you can see coming a mile away) over the stink of Eurocentric, colonial arrogance wafting off of the likes of Martha Nussbaum.

    And what the hell, I’ll take Germaine Greer too. Clearly, she knows how to party. Tell Nussbaum to catch up with us once she liberates all the helpless women of the third world, we’ll be at the bar.

  24. tanglad wrote:

    @jvansteppes: Nah, I don’t think you’re a control freak :) I definitely agree that we need to incorporate more feminist and woman-centered material. That an editor of a feminist publication asked Renee at Womanist Musings what WOC stood for is quite telling.

    @NancyP: There’s a lot I like in Nussbaum, which is why her inability to move beyond the universalism vs. relativism binary frustrates me. A lot of unjust traditions are perpetuated by economic factors or reactions to colonialism, so these need to be incorporated into the analysis, as Jess@15 shows.

    @Joseph: Agree that Palin is a shift in the sense of appropriation of feminist language, Kinda like Pussycat Dolls feminism, we’re free to be tools for a corporatist patriarchy.

    @ieishah: God, that appropriation of bebop language almost made my eyes snap off at the stalks.

    @everyone: Thanks so much for the converstations. I’m still working out a lot of these things (the use of “Third World” for example), so your continuing interventions are appreciated.

    Salamat in advance.

  25. thaidyed wrote:

    Wow…I feel like my head is about to explode after reading those two lines. But what a great string of responses!

    Mind you, I had the privilege of doing gender studies at an asian university as the one white girl. But I cannot begin to express how amazingly ignorant white first-world feminist writers can sound. I can excuse the oversight if I’m reading something written oh say, more than 20 years ago, but really. Now? in 2008?

    Pagilia’s a joke, but the really scary news is there are others, many others, still writing and speaking as if a) the 3rd world exists and b) the women there *need* white first world feminists to teach them something.

    Issues about sex work and sex workers seem to draw these women like flies. Women who advocate for laws and policies so patronizing they sound as if they came straight out of the Victorian era. Policies that actually restrict women’s control over their bodies and lives. I’ve listen to women explain that while its possible for western women to chose sex work, a dark skinned woman from a developing country can’t. And of course, the panel of 3-5 white women is balanced out by the one woman of color who agrees with them. Nevermind she’s from a privileged class within her own society and her belief that poorer, darker women in her country need to be protected from themselves is rooted more in nationalism than any belief in women’s rights.

    If you’re talking feminism without nationalism, skin color, class, religion, and the rest…you might as well not be talking.

  26. TT wrote:

    All I’m going to say is this:
    being pro-life and being a feminist are not mutually exclusive. People need to stop acting like they are.

  27. none wrote:

    TT: Very true. It drags feminism down to be so permanently associated with such a violent and cruel act.

  28. mo wrote:

    It drags feminism down when people don’t believe in full reproductive choice.

  29. Boo Radley wrote:

    On a lighter note. I wanted to post something positive. A friend of mine sent me a link to the 2008 AWID forum that took place in South Africa. The pictures are fantastic. It’s wonderful to see women from all over the world, championing for women’s rights. I thought I would share it with those on the forum who are interested in women’s rights and development.

    http://www.awid.org/eng/Forum-08/Image-gallery

  30. Brianne wrote:

    I would also like to echo F-ette in reminding everyone that Camille Paglia is about as far removed from a real feminist as possible.