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1. Madame Zenobia wrote:

   From the bottom up:

   Peter – how laughable was that scene? I mean, really, how laughable was the entire jungle escapade? I did a lot of laughing out loud as well as cringing at the awesomely dialogue in last night’s episode. Peter going “Jack Bauer” on the militants? Yeah, RIGHT. Where did he learn to use a gun like that? I mean, really, the sheer power of that rifle should’ve knocked young Pete on his a**. I was expecting it to because dammit, I wanted to laugh some more! LOL

   Nathan – I swear, if he touts that “I’m a Senator, I can help you, I can fix this,” -ish one more time, I most likely will throw my beer at the TV; but I don’t want to do that, I really don’t. I cringed then laughed then cringed some more. Fortunately, Nathan quasi-redeemed himself in my eyes at the end of the episode. I felt like, “here entereth once again, crazy-Nathan”. Loved how he told Pete, “Call old dude at the embassy…he’ll get you home,” and flew out of there leaving Peter with his permanent Keanu-Reeves WTF-look on his face. Sheer giddiness, I tell you.

   Mohinder – seeking out Maya now that he’s cured; no more freaky super insect powers, just plain old-Mo, hard-up for some tang. Now that’s realism. LOL. I kind of sighed in that moment; just….why bring her back? But I’m at the point, as I said on last week, NO EXPECTATIONS.

   Matt & Daph – picture this…picture ME, on my couch, beer in hand, pita chips in the other, head titled back, eyes closed, mouth open, ZZZzzzzzz. I can’t say much more than that.

   Claire – I knew it was too good to be true. Her stay dead? Noooooooooooo. We can’t have that. Still, I wish someone could kill that God-awful wig on her head! I can SEE the glue-line even when I’m not even TRYING to look at it! *weeps on the inside*

   Bennett, Sylar, Elle – all around, some of THE worst dialogue EVER. So typical, so simple, something my a** could’ve written on an off-day. I swear I’ve never rolled my eyes so much as I did when listening to this entire episode last night. Can we up the anty on the writing please? Let’s just ASSUME the audience KNOWS Nathan is a Senator. Please. If I have to hear him say it one more time…

   Hiro/Ando – Hey, Ando’s American, isn’t he? LOL. I could’ve sworn it listening to him on last night! Go Ando! Yeah! Seriously, this was the better portion of the eppy. Thank you Seth, thank you Breckin and thank you CANNON for mentioning Isaac’s sketchbook!!! Yeah!

   OVERALL THOUGHTS ON THE SHOW:

   1: Nathan chained in cell or something, chained to a baobob tree or some shyt. Two little Black girls are in the room with him. Could it be? Could it BE that we get some African-American/Haitian/Female Color on the show again? *gasp!*

   No. They were just plot devices; typical, cliche, “Oh I must save the children from slavery, I’m a Senator! I can do great things!” Can we be more than just a plot device, Black women? CAN WE? *sigh* I’m waiting for the day they make mention of Simone. They have no problem with using our buildings, our lofts, our COMIC BOOKS. I’m just waiting for them to storm Simone’s gallery, or her dad’s old apartment… That’s right, dammit; I’m a long lost Deveaux child. If they keep this up, I will throw…something soft at my TV…but unfortunately, most likely will still watch this trainwreck.

   2: EVERYBODY loses their powers, TWO PEOPLE die! *gasp!*

   Nah. The writers were just f*cking with us.

   Riddle me this, how much more POWERFUL would it have been if Claire and Sylar HAD DIED? (and stayed dead) Instead, she wakes up again and he’s taking a long walk on the beach, shirt bloodied. This is a problem. The constant back and forth, zing and zap, tag and not-it, you’re dead, no you’re not, etc.

   I think the eclipse was a complete and utter joke, with the exception of Hiro and his zeal at relearning things alluding back to Season 1 and its awesomeness and of course the comic book and tying the story into that. Save for that, the eclipse was a total, total, total GOTCHA-jibe from the writers who just like f*cking with us. If no one ever really dies on this show anymore then why the FREAK should it be watched, if the possibility of a violent death doesn’t loom overhead for all these characters? Dynasty-Triad characters (Bennetts, Petrellis, Select Others), then what’s the point? What’s the endgame? This show will remain a game of one-uppance. I rule the world today, you rule it tomorrow and in between time … we fight and bicker and make superbabies.

   

   3:

   Claire – Daddy…you weren’t there for me…again.

   HRG – I know honey, but I was busy, with work.

   Claire – You’re never around when I need you!!!!

   Me – Ummm, I thought this brat didn’t want her dad’s approval anymore. WTF? WHY all the wining? JUST SHUT UP. This character could leave the show tonight and I’d be FINE; hell, I’d be ECSTATIC! Just a waste of space.

   And don’t think I didn’t silently cheer when Sylar began his lobotomy on Elle. Them together in the beginning of the episode was hurl-worthy; enough is enough with the romance schtick. We GET IT. You guys are into each other. But then he pulls away and doesn’t kill her….*back to sleep I go*

   4: The Haitian. Still, we don’t get a name. The Haitian. Still, coming to the aid of the Petrellis. The Haitian. Still, looking pretty good in a wife-beater. *slurp*

   I know his brother was evil, but why’d he have to die, huh? Oh, I know what you might say…just a minute ago I was harping on death and the possibility of it and how death combined with certain characters would equal a power shift in events on this show.

   But ‘The Baron’???

   I say, if you kill someone called ‘The Baron’, then you should have no problem killing off someone who calls themselves ‘The Senator’.

   I’m just sayin’…

   

   Damn you, Nathan! Damn you and your stupid words! *weeps*

   Seriously though, I think with the brother, there could’ve been an opportunity to tell another story of brother rivalry and sacrifice. Why not? Nathan mentioned Darfur and the awful things that take place in countries like that the world over. Maybe Nate and the Haitian could team up to defeat evil in third-world countries? Maybe the dynamic between the two Haitian brothers is something worthy of being explored? Or could’ve been…but wait, there’s no room for more than the Bennett’s vs. the Petrellis.

   *weeps*

   I’ve got more, but I think I’ve rambled on enough.

   Last night’s episode just didn’t work for me. Unless they meant for the audience to laugh…… a lot.

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 10:12 am ¶

2. Madame Zenobia wrote:

   ^^^and cry a lot too….*whispers and nods* … cry on the INside…mmmmhmmm.
   

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 10:22 am ¶

3. Amused0472 wrote:

   I was thrilled to see Mohinder grow a pair, knock out that stupid dude and go get his woman. But then disappointment set in as the writers foiled him again, turning him back into a bug. Apparently, he won’t ever get nookie again. As for Sylar and Elle, you always hurt the ones you love. I loved the whole comic book geek fest, that was fun, but the rumble in the jungle was lame. Otherwise I was bored with the dead coming back to life.

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 11:22 am ¶

4. annalouise wrote:

   Dear Madame Zenobia, I laughed so hard at your summary that the engineers in the next office probably think I’ve gone off the deep end.

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 11:35 am ¶

5. OTM wrote:

   When Peter told Nathan, “You’re important. You’re a senator” I nearly spit out my beer laughing. Somebody had better send a memo to some of our US senators and let them know that they actually have jobs to do. And where DID Peter learn to shoot a machine gun? Or check it for ammo? As my husband shouted, “You were a NURSE!!”

   Still, I wish someone could kill that God-awful wig on her head! I can SEE the glue-line even when I’m not even TRYING to look at it!

   THANK YOU.

   Although Clairebear and her daddy issues storyline makes me crazy, I did kind of like HRG’s characterization last night. I feel like the writers have really been invested in making him bad guy/good guy/bad guy for good reasons/good guy for bad reasons, just trying to make him the poster boy for moral ambiguity. Last night though, when Clairebear was, for all he knew, fixing to die for real and he had the chance to see her one last time, and he chose vengeance, it hit me that HRG is just a straight up sociopath. For some reason that made his character more interesting to me.

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 11:59 am ¶

6. Renee wrote:

   Last nights episode was the best the show has put out in a long time. I agree that machine gun Peter was not cool and far from believable. I know this is terrible but I kept thinking would it be so bad if one of the bullets just winged him. I don’t by him as the badass hero type; and this perhaps because it is to reminiscent of Keaneau Reeves for me.
   The whole Elle and Sylar as a couple is just yuck. I am glad that her role in creating him was exposed. Yeah he just bought that she worked for the company and no hand in any of the terrible business that was done to him.
   It will be interesting if they use this latest eclipse to create some new characters. It actually has me wondering if this how Ando discovers that he has powers as well. That would be kind of cool. I would love them to more people of color with powers on the show.

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 12:08 pm ¶

7. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

   @Madame Zenobia–

   Mohinder–seeking out Maya now that he’s cured; no more freaky super insect powers, just plain old-Mo, hard-up for some tang. Now that’s realism. LOL.

   No, realism was when Mohinder was nekkid–a little slimy, true–but in the buff nonetheless in last week’s episode. OK, real enough for me, at least.;)

   Here’s my humble solution to all of this: the eclipse makes everyone gain the ability to….have a really great orgies. Yep, “Heroes” goes porn. Just think: it already has ridiculous writing, horrible plots, and atrocious character development. I say eff it and go for broke.

   Hey, anything’s an improvement at this point.:D

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 12:22 pm ¶

8. Arturo wrote:

   TCS,

   Well, your idea would finally give them an excuse to kick in the Claire/Peter slash, wouldn’t it?

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 12:41 pm ¶

9. Arturo wrote:

   MZ,

   See, I thought Sy actually *did* do the deed. Either that or he suffered a serious bout of homicimpotence. Would he just have to wait 20 minutes before trying again?

   Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 12:43 pm ¶

10. Madame Zenobia wrote:

    @ Arturo,

    He paused, hesitated, yes, and then Elle’s screaming as the camera pulls back. I’d forgotten that, so you’re right.

    @ The Cruel Secretary,

    You are correct this show needs to take that extra leap and fully embrace the pron. LOL.

    @ OTM,

    You’re right about HRG. Still, it’s just hard watching he and Claire and her issues. I pray for the day she embraces her darker hair and hope she burns that wig in effigy.

    @ annalouise,

    So glad to make you chuckle

    @ Renee,

    You really think last night’s episode was great? I don’t know…maybe I shouldn’t have watched it being as sleep and tired as I was and grumpy, hence the cynical slant in my review. But I did laugh, so that counts. I’m thinking maybe I need to create a .gif of Peter doing his Rambo impression and watch it before next week’s episode. That should lift my spirits.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 1:01 pm ¶

11. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @Arturo–

    …the Claire/Peter slash? Ewwwwww…no! “Vomit porn” was Annie Sprinkle’s thang, not mine. (I won’t derail the thread beyond that point. I’ll simply direct the over-18 set to find the DVD about Sprinkle’s life and career.) And the way “Heroes” is going, the behind-the-scene team seems to be lacking any expertise. Or common sense.

    But going porn would also offer a reason for one more thing: that “God-awful wig” on Hayden Pantierre’s head. (I saw that, too, MZ!) Bad hair is endemic in porn.:D

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 1:39 pm ¶

12. Daniel J. Luke wrote:

    the sheer power of that rifle should’ve knocked young Pete on his a**

    Actually, I found that part somewhat believable. The recoil from an AK47 isn’t enough to knock a normal person over. He obviously was at least somewhat familiar with firearms (given he knew how to check to see if the weapon was empty), which wasn’t explained but isn’t totally unbelievable.

    His Rambo-ish actions and the fact that no one seemed to get hit by any bullets was odd, though.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 1:53 pm ¶

13. jen* wrote:

    Best part of this epi? Hiro finally starts acting like a hero again. Ando’s freakin’ awesome and getting cuter by the moment, and …I love Breckin and Seth. LOVE.

    Hated that the-only-Haitian-in-Haiti-known-as-”the-Haitian” had to brain wipe his bro. That was kinda icky. And having to do that to a brother…I wonder if that’ll influence TOHIHKA”TH” to become a baddy. As for Nathan deciding Pinehearst is the way to go, cuz of the takedown of Samedi – wow. Talk about faulty logic.

    I never think that I can hate the Petrellis (story and characters) more than I do. Then I watch another show. Blech.

    Daphne and Parkman don’t seem like part of the show. I’d much rather see what kind of trouble Electronica could get into than continue with that crap. In fact, right now, I’d totally watch a spinoff with Hiro, Ando, (Breckin&Seth), and GabriElle.

    It turns out that the families that the show is “actually about” are the ones I couldn’t care less for. I’d love for Mo to get some Proactiv and maybe take some remedial science classes, so he can learn what *real* scientists do. He could totally pick up a lady (or perhaps Parkman?) after his brain makeover. Mya, otoh, I’m afraid I can’t see salvaging her character. Too bad.

    Questions abound for me though – where is GabriElle’s kid coming from if Elle’s really dead? Why do the comics have to be posthumous Mendez pieces when there are so many other seer/painters around? When are the baddies gonna realize that they need to cut Claire’s head off so she can just *die* already? And whose bright idea was it to recycle the script so we could be back in season 1, again? I already watched it – and the first one was better.

    Sure would be nice if there was a *smart* hero, to help plotlines.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 1:56 pm ¶

14. brad wrote:

    Did anyone else notice that all of the Hatian men working for the Baron were dark skinned and the two girls captured were lighter colored?

    It just seemed like a continuation of “black” beauty being seen through a white lens.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 2:19 pm ¶

15. Mahsino wrote:

    @jen*: Maybe “logic” is the first ability that will be granted with the formula.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 2:23 pm ¶

16. Xiphactinus audax wrote:

    “This is a problem. The constant back and forth, zing and zap, tag and not-it, you’re dead, no you’re not, etc. ”
    You’re not very familiar with comics, are you?

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 3:13 pm ¶

17. Paz wrote:

    Off topic, but when is the Ugly Betty post coming? I’m looking forward to that one…

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 3:36 pm ¶

18. Madame Zenobia wrote:

    @ Xiphactinus,

    My rant was mainly the recurring life/death of characters that I have grown fondly to dislike vehemently. Some of them I truly want to go away and STAY away. Personal gripe.

    @ Daniel J. Luke,

    Thanks for the info. on the gun. I didn’t really pay attention to it. I see Peter with a quasi-big gun, I expect him (perhaps wanted him to) fall on his a**.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 3:38 pm ¶

19. morose wrote:

    side note that on the last thread of comments (with some mention on this one) someone said
    “Also, is anybody noticing that Ando is starting to speak English with more of an American accent?”

    and now, “Ando’s American, isn’t he? LOL. I could’ve sworn it listening to him on last night!”

    I really enjoy reading the threads following Heroes but do we really need to tear everything apart to the point that we have to notice when the Asian characters are becoming less Asian and more assimilated? What was the point of this comment? To show how sloppy of an actor he is? Does he need to be perfectly Asian? What does it mean for an Asian man to speak English on TV without an accent? Is it not authentic enough?

    James Kyson Lee is Korean and grew up in the states and I think he might even call himself Asian American. Japanese is not even his first or second language. And it’s just a TV show.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 4:37 pm ¶

20. Daomadan wrote:

    While most of us seem to think the Parkman/Daphne storyline is ZZZZZZ. I’m intrigued that they’ve introduced a character with cerebral palsy and the implications that the character is uncomfortable being seen as a person with disabilities. Her super power is super speed which, from the writer’s perspective, seems to imply that she’s thereby overcome her disability. I’m uncomfortable that her power “fixed” her. I’d be interested to read a post or comment from someone with more experience with discussing ableism…but that Daphne thing always made me uncomfortable.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 5:54 pm ¶

21. Peter Pixie wrote:

    I mentioned before that if the show started to get a bit better we may not notice. While we now know that eclypses seem to take most of a day in the Heroes-verse, it seems as though the stories are hanging on by a thread.

    It wasn’t BAD TV. I was a good Heroes Episode, not GREAT as we have seen in the past, but not as bad as most of this season and nearly all of the last one.

    Now, I do have to question about whether or not we REALLY believe they chose lighter skinned women because of what some white guy thinks… But I suppose this could be true.

    My thoughts are if they REALLY were playing a color gambit they would have had white AMERICAN women… ya know… to make the Baron seem even MORE evil to us white folk.
    And as far as being seen as a ‘God’ he really didnt have many followers did he?

    -Peter “The ONE Cylon’ Pixie

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 6:31 pm ¶

22. Teabag wrote:

    How is it that every time Mohinder outwits or overpowers another character (usually someone with more power), people comment that “Mohinder grows a pair” and act as if this is the first time he ever fought back.

    The way he dealt with Flint was absolutely normal behaviour for him: The character has a history of hitting people with the next best heavy object!

    As early as the second episode of the first season, he attacked the guy who was bugging his apartment with an elephant statuette, later he knocked Sylar unconscious, saving Peter’s life… he took Matt out with a fire extinguisher when protecting Molly in the first season finale.

    Why do people ignore this stuff and keep putting him down as “never does anything”/”useless”?
    He’s a character who is at a disadvantage as far as powers are concerned, most of the time, but who nevertheless does his best and fights back, and often successfully. That’s a good role model. Instead a lot of people complain that without superpowers, he’s nothing, and let’s ignore the evidence.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 9:01 pm ¶

23. al wrote:

    i think it would make sense and be awesome if the peter starts to follow the haitian around and do what the haitian tells him to do. it just makes sense. the haitian is clearly smart and cares about what’s right and all that, and peter desperately needs to trust someone.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 9:04 pm ¶

24. Arturo wrote:

    Teabag,

    While your point isn’t invalid, it might be incomplete. Most of the time, Mohinder’s disadvantages come from his apparent inability to figure out when he’s being played until it’s too late. And considering that, as the scientist, he’s the “brainiest” character in the ensemble, that has frustrated quite a few people over the years.

    Posted 02 Dec 2008 at 10:53 pm ¶

25. Teabag wrote:

    Arturo, I have met enough scientists who are brilliant in their field of study, but can be extremely dense in many other fields. Or just normal.
    Mohinder is a geneticist. He’s not a spy. He’s not even a people person. He’s not a universal genius.

    As for the inability to figure out when he is being played: I think he often realizes it, but cannot exactly do much about it other than struggle along and try his best to keep things from escalating.

    But even if you think that being a geneticist means he should be better at dealing with manipulative secret agents, it still doesn’t explain why people choose to ignore half the things Mohinder actually does on the show.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 5:56 am ¶

26. hexy wrote:

    Turns out “The Eclipse” was a big RESET button.

    I was actually expecting it to be an even bigger reset button. When Maya appeared, I was absolutely convinced that they were going to go down the path of “eclipse puts everyone back at square one, including those who had their powers nicked.” But she didn’t tear up, and Peter was still without his mojo at the end of the ep. *shrug*

    As for the Ando accent thing… while it is inconsistant with how he previously spoke, it’s not uncommon for people who learn English as a second language to speak it with the accent of their teacher or the accents of the English speakers around them.

    And the Peter-with-a-gun thing? As an Aussie, it seemed to me to be perfectly consistant with how Americans are depicted on teevee all the time! We’re given the impression you all keep assault rifles tucked into the umbrella stand.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 6:04 am ¶

27. noobhose wrote:

    This episode was one of the best episodes of this season, if not the best one. At least the writers have gotten rid of one blonde girl on the show. Now if only they can bring back Monica, the girl with the memory/physical mimicry powers.

    P.S. They should have someone wear pantyhose on the show. They should at least put them on Angela Petrelli. I know bare legs are in vogue, but not for the much older women.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 9:23 am ¶

28. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @noobhose–

    Without getting into a serious derailing, aren’t you assuming that older women don’t embrace some things that are in vogue, like not wearing pantyhose? I could get to your argument if you presented it as “I think some of the women’s outfits would look a little more polished if worn with pantyhose.” But, as stated, it comes off as a bit ageist, as if all “much older women” wear pantyhose–and should wear them–due to their age. What I like about the Angela Petrelli character is that she’s a consistently sharply dressed woman; her outfits are so pulled together that pantyhose–or any kind of hosiery–are truly an option for her.

    And, I suspect, another reason some older women, happily embrace the no-pantyhose style nowadays is quite practical: the lowering chances of yeast infections. Maybe it’s just me, but I think quite a few women, both young and mature, are down with not wearing the item for that reason alone. I guess one could argue stockings-and-garters or thigh-high stockings as alternatives, but we’re also talking about levels of comfort and convenience with those things, too.

    And, we *are* talking about Angela Petrelli. Her mercenary behind is probably saving her hosiery to choke somebody with them…my vote’s for 1) Noah, 2) Claire, 3) Hiro, and 4) Peter.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 10:41 am ¶

29. jen* wrote:

    The standards I have for Mohinder are basically just about him being a scientist. I don’t need him to be a genius – just not a doofus.

    It seems as though they took him from being an actual geneticist at the beginning of the series, to being a guy who knows some words about genetics, but has never been acquainted with the scientific method. His lack of reasoning skills *do* come into play interpersonally as well. Not that a scientist can’t be a nerd with less-than-stellar people skills, but come on – does everybody have to be a stereotype?

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 10:43 am ¶

30. SpicyCarrot wrote:

    Add me to the group that thinks Claire should have stayed dead. I would’ve like to see how HRG dealt with realizing that because he’s so fixed on vengeance/the job, he missed his last chance to see his daughter. And maybe Sandra would get some more screen time and become a total badass.

    Although I liked “good Sylar,” his transformation back into “Evil Sylar” was incredibly creepy and well-acted. Seriously, Zachary Quinto is amazing. However, I don’t want Elle to be gone! She’s also an interesting character, well-acted…I think there’s so many other characters Sylar should’ve killed instead.

    Also, I thought Maya would be returning home (to wherever she was actually from before trekking across Latin America – was the country ever made clear?). But then I realized she killed a bunch of people back home and they probably wouldn’t be too happy to have her back. But still – JERSEY???

    Finally, my cat has better logical skills than Nathan.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 12:35 pm ¶

31. Mary wrote:

    Teabag, I both agree and disagree with you. I think Mohinder doesn’t get nearly enough credit in the fandom or by reviewers for how well he’s doing, without superpowers, under utterly insane circumstances. He’s actually not the stereotypical socially challenged scientist.

    In the first season he single-handedly lured Sylar back to his apartment, tortured him and nearly killed him – Bennet needed the entire Company’s resources to accomplish the same. After Sylar killed Peter, Mohinder took him out and got Peter’s body to safety. Mohinder also put his life on the line to save Molly from Bennet’s murder attempt, performed first aid on DL and Matt Parkman who were complete strangers to him at the time.

    In the second season Mohinder infiltrated the Company, at great personal peril, maneuvered between a Company that might have killed him and a partner who betrayed him, and managed to cure the virus at the same time. Bonus, he managed not to permanently kill anybody. Yeah, he had some stupid moves along the way, but the end results are hard to argue with.

    The problem is that Mohinder is never allowed, by the necessities of the plot, to fully succeed or fully save the day. His triumphs are always undercut.

    His capture of Sylar was undone by Sylar miraculously getting his powers back. His rescue of Peter was sidelined in favor of the Claire-Peter bonding moment where she pulled the glass out of his skull. After Mohinder obtained Claire’s blood and cured the virus, this was undercut by Sylar taking him hostage and stealing the cure (and by Niki, the intended recipient of the cure, getting blown up in a building).

    In the third season this pattern reaches its absolute nadir – when Mohinder makes the greatest discovery related to superpowers, only to literally become a monster when his experiment backfires.

    Basically, Mohinder is always required to fall short so that the white people can save the day.

    Mohinder has also not been permitted to have the kind of permanent human connections that people like Bennet get. So far, Mohinder has saved the lives of:

    Peter
    Elle
    Bob
    Hiro and Ando (in the future episode)
    DL
    The Haitian
    Matt Parkman
    Molly Walker

    Other than Matt and Molly, Mohinder has never been thanked or befriended by any of these people. And even the Matt/Molly/Mohinder living situation was mainly characterized by a lot of fighting, squabbling and hostage situations – and in the third season, it was broken up completely.

    So I think Mohinder’s heroic actions have less emotional resonance than, for example, HRG’s – with HRG we see Claire as the immediate beneficiary of his actions, but with Mohinder, it’s like no good deed ever goes unpunished. The guy keeps saving people’s lives and they just ignore him, betray him or beat him up.

    Poor guy. I mean, Sylar is nicer to Mohinder than most of the people whose lives he’s saved! I think some of these “heroes” are really kind of ungrateful assholes, when you think about it.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 1:08 pm ¶

32. Arturo wrote:

    Mary,

    Mohinder makes the greatest discovery related to superpowers, only to literally become a monster when his experiment backfires.

    That’s a rather generous way of putting it; the guy shot himself up with the meta-syrum before moving forward with proper testing. Not the smartest move, no matter how you slice it.

    But I will agree with you that the writers have consistently undercut Mohinder, with that being the biggest example this season.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 4:07 pm ¶

33. Amused0472 wrote:

    @Teabag:
    When I said Mohinder seemed to grow a pair I meant it in the context of the last few episodes of the show. I like Mohinder, but the writers make a point of emasculating him to a certain point. Right now he’s stuck doing Papa Patrelli’s dirty work with no real game plan of how he will work the situation to his advantage or to the advantage of “good” over “evil.” I also liked him paired with Mya, but he’s not allowed to get the girl. My intent was not to demean his character over the whole life of the series. I’d like Mohinder to be smart and badass. That would be sexy as hell.

    Posted 03 Dec 2008 at 5:29 pm ¶

34. al wrote:

    i was upset that maya wasn’t actually put back in the show with this. she has become a plot point for mohinder’s story, and mohinder’s story is pretty lacking anyway. and i still hate sylar and i need to see him dead. i hate hate hate him. i am so tired of him. that blond british guy was a much more interesting bad guy and they killed him off. sylar should have died in the first season. then he should have been killed by maya’s brother. and now he should have been dead again.

    i’m glad he killed elle only because that love story line was starting to make me throw up. that gentle almost imperceptible last thrust of their ‘lovemaking’…. seriously i was sick. but it would have been so much better if elle had killed him, because she did have an interesting backstory (being basically tortured by her dad for the sake of ’science’) even if it was poorly written and directed. god i hate sylar.

    i’m also really irritated with the whole eclipse business. they are mixing biology and physics in ways that don’t make sense to me. and the first eclipse didn’t give them all powers. that doesn’t make any sense. almost all of the characters had power before then, it’s only the few we were first introduced to that didn’t.

    ok, there is so much more frustrating me about this show i’m gonna shut up now.

    Posted 04 Dec 2008 at 2:46 am ¶

35. al wrote:

    no, i have to say, even without the race issues regarding monica and nikki’s husband and kid (whose names escape me at the moment), which are glaring and awful, that family’s story line was as interesting if not more interesting than the petrellis. from a narrative perspective it makes sense to have kept them all viable characters and not rewritten it all to be about nikki’s power hungry long lost twin sister conveniently played by one of the (white, blond) actors whose characters was killed off. they could just have easily weaved their story into that of the petrellis/nakamuras.

    and now we know there is an orphan out there with the power to communicate with computers, whose cousin can mimic anything she sees. but they don’t give us that story, which can’t help but be awesome. and we never found out what their grandma could do (and you know she could do something.)

    Posted 04 Dec 2008 at 2:50 am ¶

36. maw wrote:

    The worst written episode this season(if that’s possible). I was expecting “hey this is crunch time 3 episodes away” but what I got was bad dialogue, bad acting, bad fight scenes. And please Heroes writers, you can’t do romance, deal with it. It just doesn’t work. Don’t ever do it again.

    Posted 04 Dec 2008 at 2:23 pm ¶