How Should We Handle Deaths When Reporting Current Events?

by Latoya Peterson

So, this morning, I was co-hosting Crappy Hour on Jezebel with Megan. (I’ll be there the rest of the week.) We actually happened to get into a bit of a debate over the way that the terrorist attacks in Mumbai were covered.

Over the weekend, reader Frida alerted me to some oversights in the coverage:

I’ve been keeping a close eye on news reports coming out of Mumbai regarding the horrific terrorist attacks of the past three days. One thing that I was sure of was that among the foreign casaulties, at least one Asian, a Japanese businessman named Hisashi Tsuda, had been killed.

However this article on CNN.com, http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/28/india.attacks/index.html at 11:14 AM EST, lists “one Chinese” among the dead, with no mention of a Japanese casualty. This is the sentence, “including three Germans, two Americans, an Italian, a Briton, an Australian and one Chinese were among the at least 15 foreigners killed –”

Now if there are fifteen foreigners, and the nationalities of nine are listed, that means the nationalities of six of the victims were not disclosed. I guess that COULD mean that one Chinese person did die, and a Japanese was among the nationalities not mentioned in the CNN article.

But, alas, there is the possibility that some CNN Online staffer/writer got a bit confused by the whole theory that “Chinese” and “Japanese” are not the same and are not interchangeable, and put down “Chinese” casaulty when he or she really meant “Japanese” casualty. Because I have not seen any other news outlets at this time mention anything about a Chinese casualty.

If this is the case, that’s sort of disrespectful, no? In case they edit before you see it, here is a screencap I took some minutes ago: http://i34.tinypic.com/e98ajc.jpg with “Chinese” underlined.

I started watching the coverage, to look for more information for Frida, but quickly became horrified at the way the same few shots were shown over and over – blood on the floor of the hotel, wounded and bleeding people being carried to safety. It was a bit jarring to me, as it just felt like the images were placed for maximum shock and horror. It was also odd, as I remember watching coverage of the terrorist attacks in London back in 2005, and not seeing much besides external shots of buildings, tunnel data, and surveillance cams before and after the event. Why the difference in this situation?

I brought that up this morning, and Megan and I had a bit of a disagreement:

MEGAN: Welcome to another grey, rainy D.C. morning. This did not help me drag my ass out of bed.

LATOYA: Yeah, the bed was strangely warm this morning. Ah well — I’ll throw on some T.I. and that will get me started. In the meantime, have you been watching what’s going on in Mumbai?

MEGAN: Yeah, what a terrible long weekend.

LATOYA: Understatement. The coverage was horrifying. Not just from a fucking asshole terrorist standpoint. But also from a “how do we cover things that go down in other nations” standpoint? I got emails all weekend from readers (of Racialicious) about the way this attack has been treated.

MEGAN: Well, “how do we cover things that do down in another nation on a holiday weekend” standpoint, I think.

LATOYA: No, this is a bit different. Did you watch any of the TV coverage? Lots of shots of the blood on the floor. Bleeding people being dragged to safety. While normally, if we are covering something that happens in the west, we only shoot the building, and shots of people and their families.

MEGAN: I hardly ever watch TV coverage of anything, honestly, and particularly not network coverage.

LATOYA: Maybe a destroyed item, like a bombed car.

MEGAN: Actually, I have a huge problem with not showing injured people.

LATOYA: We show more respect to the human casualties. Why do you have a problem with it?

MEGAN: Because I think that when we minimize the effects of violence, we minimize it’s impact. I criticized the media a lot in the wake of the Bhutto assassination for sanitizing the violence. I don’t agree that we shouldn’t show white people, but I think we should show all of it. What turned people against Vietnam? Seeing the truth of violence.

LATOYA: Perhaps. And yet… we wrote about this before. Tami contributed a piece called “The Brown and the Dead” which focused on the discrepancy of coverage given.

MEGAN: Violence shouldn’t be some pretty, sanitized ballet of bullets in the movie, or some cold, bluish corpse with a well-designed fake wound on CSI. That’s just porn, practically. Show it. Make people recoil in horror.

LATOYA: She writes:

    According to the Huffington Post, a CNN spokesperson, defending the news outlet’s work in Burma, said “the enormity of the story” merited showing corpses. What are the chances that CNN will show the broken bodies of the 22 people killed in twisters that plowed across the central United States this weekend, y’know so we get “the enormity of the story?” We did not need to see graphic footage of victims to understand the enormity of Oklahoma City or 9/11. I do remember seeing some footage of the dead in Katrina–not as graphic as the Myanmar coverage–but we all know those folks weren’t American anyway, they were “refugees.” (Tongue firmly in cheek, here.)

Now, I am normally for releasing the less sanitized version of historical events. It’s one of those reasons people don’t know what the fuck a lynching actually was. It’s been sanitized. But the glaring discrepancy is odd, to say the least.

MEGAN: I think we did need to see the broken bodies on 9/11. Did you watch the French documentary they aired on CBS a year later? It was the first news coverage to deal honestly with the people throwing themselves out of the windows. No, I agree, I think people should be forced to confront the reality of what violence does to people. I just don’t think the way to reduce the discrepancy between showing it abroad and here is best served by reducing the honesty of our coverage abroad.

LATOYA: Maybe. But as it stands currently, news outlets alter their footage as a sign of respect to the deceased — a courtesy that they do not extend to all the victims.

MEGAN: But, for the record, the media sanitized the shit out of the bombing in Pakistan.

LATOYA: For Bhutto, right?

MEGAN: I would put quotes around “respect.” I don’t think the only way to be respectful of someones death is to pump their body full of chemicals and plaster it with makeup and set it in a coffin.

LATOYA: Not surprising. She was a friend of the West — did you miss the retrospectives?

MEGAN: Gosh, I must have stopped paying attention in between looking at photos of the other people her assassins killed and writing about how the media was sanitizing it for our collective right to not have to look at dead people. Though, to point out, blood on the floor and bleeding, but still live, victims are generally considered fair game, as news coverage of 9/11 and Oklahoma City and, if I recall correctly, the Olympic bombing showed.

LATOYA: There’s looking and there’s gawking, Megan.

MEGAN: I’m not disagreeing with the thesis, but I want it all. I want people to see what we really do to one another. I want to de-mystify, and de-romanticize violence. Let people gawk! Make them look! This is what I think was so effective about war coverage in Vietnam — it was the violence wrought upon us and by us that made people think, wow, maybe war isn’t a good thing. Maybe Communism isn’t the worst thing in the world, maybe this is.

LATOYA: Perhaps. There’s some “not encouraging serial killers” logic for that that I remember from Forensics class, but I’d rather head back into the land of the living.

Megan makes good points – that people have to be able to see the horrors of war in order to want to do something about it, and the use of terms like “surgical strikes” makes it seem like warfare only affects targeted insurgents. There is little focus on the civilian casualties. Even our headlines chastely announce the numbers of the dead, and no more detail.

However, I’m still not at ease with the idea of showing all the violence and showing all the gore – particularly when some nations get the benefit of respect shown for their deceased, and others do not. Jezebel commenter Kazzah drives home the point I wanted to make:

Down here in Mexico, graphic photos are par for the course. This morning is an excellent example: in the wake of news of a massive cache of decapitated narco victims being discovered in Tijuana, the front page of the famously graphic newspaper La Prensa showed, yes, a row of lined up heads with the headless bodies beside them.

When I first arrived in Mexico several years ago, there had been another decapitation incident, this time five heads in Acapulco. I was sitting across from a guy reading the paper when I saw the photo of the heads, and I recoiled in horror, looked away, felt nauseous and violated. Now, this morning, I actually scanned the paper calmly as I walked by the stand.

I don’t know if I’m a better, more realistic, eyes-open person for seeing this kind of graphic violence every single morning without fail (Mexicans do love their corpses – there are several papers that publish “nota roja” photos every day), but I do know that Mexicans have a MUCH more sensible and aware understanding of the death and implication of violence than any of us up in the Land of the Frozen North with our euphemisms (”she passed on”) and quiet, mostly unvisted graveyards. Mexicans understand the fragility of life and the reality of violence, and the way they live their lives is evidence of this.

Yes, it’s gawking, even for the Mexicans who giggle at charred corpses, but feeling cathartic relief that it was our neighbour who got robbed and not us is pretty much part of the human condition. Pretending that death – and especially violent death – is something clean and pretty and calm is pretending that we will all meet our end peacefully in our beds, surrounded by loved ones. Death is usually ugly. We need to stop being afraid of its realities.

All that being said, I still believe human decency must be followed. Recently, there was a photo of a teenage girl who had been raped, tortured and strangled, then left on the street with her shirt pulled up over her head. I couldn’t look. All I could think about was how that poor girl had gone through this evening of incalculable suffering, only to have her poor nude body printed on the front page of a newspaper, in full colour, to be gawked at. Admitting violence is one thing; humiliating the dead is another.

Your thoughts, readers?

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  1. Arturo wrote:

    My point of view hews closer to Kazzah’s, possibly because I grew up reading the local papers in Tijuana. In stories that have larger implications, such as the OKC bombing, or 9/11, or this latest tragedy in Mumbai, showing at least some sort of glimpse of the human cost is part of the story.

  2. Candy wrote:

    I somewhat agree with Megan. I feel that the US media often sanitizes violent attacks when it’s absolutely necessary. Why is it there is hardly no coverage on the thousands of Iraqi civilian casualties killed by our military? We as a nation need to see the horror, the violence that we inflict on other brown nations. That’s a main reason why most Americans don’t realize all the wanton violence we’re inflicting globally because of our sanitized, biased news coverage. Now, certainly there needs to be just as much coverage when it comes to Western atrocities, but I do believe we need to be much more aware of the terror that were as a nation are continuously inflicting.

  3. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Candy -

    But is it coverage or is it gawking?

    I understand wanting to get the truth out there. But when does the truth become contorted into disaster pornography?

    The camera can’t lie, we are told. But anyone who has watched a Western film crew in an African famine will know just how much effort it takes to compose the “right” image. Photogenic starving children are hard to find, even in Somalia.

    Somali doctors and nurses have expressed shock at the conduct of film crews in hospitals. They rush through crowded corridors, leaping over stretchers, dashing to film the agony before it passes. They hold bedside vigils to record the moment of death. When the Italian actress Sophia Loren visited Somalia, the paparazzi trampled on children as they scrambled to film her feeding a little girl-three times. This is disaster pornography.

    Reduced to nameless extras in the shadows behind Western aid workers or disaster tourists, the grieving, hurting and humiliated human beings are not asked if they want to be portrayed in this degrading way.

    Do pictures of Somalia show herdsmen tending large flocks of well-fed camels, or farmers cultivating ripening crops of sorghum and maize? Do they show vegetable markets flourishing in Mogadishu? Are we allowed to see clan elders negotiating a local cease fire, or the women who have turned their homes over to orphanages, filled with the laughter of healthy children? All these are just as much facets of life in Somalia today as looting and starvation, but they are not what we are shown.

  4. Jess wrote:

    I have mixed feelings about it. Being in the news business, and having spent some time covering cops and the like, I have to admit an affinity with the “if it bleeds it leads” school.

    I mean, those stories are dramatic, exciting, and all that — most reporters have a bit of the adrenaline junkie in them — and allow you to see things you otherwise wouldn’t. It’s a way of answering the questions we all ask watching crime TV — is it really like that?

    On the more positive side, I always felt the need to bear witness, to tell the stories of the people who are hurt and by doing so shake up the complacency of many readers. I want to make the people in the story human, in as much as that is possible. It isn’t always possible to do that in the way I would like, lord knows I’ve written things that when I looked at it the next day I thought “what the hell was I thinking?” But I and people I have worked with tried our best.

    Sometimes I want to see published the goriest, nastiest-ass photos you can come up with. Because I feel like people don’t see enough of it. And to me, respect for the dead is secondary — those people are dead. They don’t need anything anymore. Anything we do is for the benefit of the living — who might be the people that need to see it most.

    Other days I think you have to be careful. Some people find it painful to see loved ones on TV in pain. I haven’t seen it so I don’t know how I would react. And more than once when someone has asked me I have left out a photo, or a name, or a detail, because it was the decent thing to do and hurting someone serves no purpose. (Sometimes it is necessary, and I don’t compromise on that, but I had to take it on a case-by-case basis).

    Also, think of the photos of the Holocaust we see every day on the History Channel. Some of the people in those pictures are still living, or their relatives. Everyone reading this has seen the famous photos of the naked dead bodies piled up. Anybody here ever think about that? I bet not. Nor would I expect it of you — after all, they aren’t people you know, right? Nobody related to you. That’s natural to think (or not think) that way, and I don’t begrudge anyone for being a normal person.

    Or take the pictures of the Vietnam war. Most of those people are definitely still living.

    But it’s history, so that’s ok?

    All that said, I always ask myself this: if I were the producer, under serious time constraint, how would I set the story up? Before I jump all over CNN I ask myself how I would have put it together.

    People forget that the video they show over and over is because it’s all you have — 90% of the stuff on the tape (or digital media these days) is often unusable. The bias is towards dramatic images that tell you something.

    So I am going to turn this around a little. We can all be against things, but what are we for? What would we like to see CNN do differently? How do you propose to do it? How would the coverage of Mumbai looked to you if you had your way?

  5. Allison wrote:

    “Reduced to nameless extras in the shadows behind Western aid workers or disaster tourists, the grieving, hurting and humiliated human beings are not asked if they want to be portrayed in this degrading way.”

    This line nails it on the head — excellent post! Also, who came up with the term “disaster pornography” as shorthand? I think that phrase succinctly makes a point as well.

  6. Laura wrote:

    I didn’t watch or listen to much of the coverage over the weekend. My husband did, though, and he told me that he noticed a difference in the way injuries/deaths were reported among “hotel guests” and “hotel staff” – as in, when they would say how many people were being held hostage, they would say it’s unclear how many of them were hotel guests and how many were staff.

    Like I said, I didn’t hear it myself, so I’m unsure whether it was the tone or what, but he got the impression that casualties among the (presumable working class) workers weren’t treated as seriously as casualties among the (presumable wealthier) guests. I suspect it would have had to have been pretty noticeable for him to pick up on it and mention it.

    Anyone else notice this? Can anyone elaborate?

  7. JW wrote:

    The reason I thought they were really pushing the gory photos was because of who’s supposedly responsible for the attacks. I guess it was attributed to a Muslim group (is that correct?). Now remember, in this country, we are in the War on Terrrrr, which may as well be the War on Muslims. So, to me, they were really pushing the gore in order to scaremonger.

    On a side note, were not most of the victims here Indian/South Asian? Like about 90%? If so, why does the media persist in saying the attacks were to target Westerners? Doesn’t it seem more likely that someone’s really mad at the Indian government? Please explain.

  8. firstofall wrote:

    “News coverage” will never be based on facts and relevant historical/cultural context. It will always
    be spun or bent for ratings or a certain impact on the viewer. That’s news, and we can’t really ask for
    more, because they won’t give it to us.

    I think the real question here is this: what was the intent behind covering the Mumbai event the way it was? What was the effect on the average american viewer?

    “India’s 9/11″
    This was put out there BEFORE they knew who was behind it, or how it would ultimately turn out. Maybe it wasn’t a terrorist attack. It could have been a “special operation” from any number of parties from the US, Russia, China, Pakistan, Israel, India, etc… gone right, or wrong. Nobody knew who was involved or why until after it was all over. Instead, CNN and others put this irresponsible analytic phrase out there with the help of pools of blood, the people being shot at, the burning buildings, the picture of the “terrorist” in freeze frame. I think they did this for a few reasons.

    1. sensationalism is the lifeblood of 24hr news, whether we like it or not.

    2. in america, violence and gore sells – people are wierd like that.

    3. terrorism makes people afraid, and fear sells.

    4. the average american needs to think that everywhere except the US and Europe is basically savage and backwards in some way, and we show this by minimizing the level of violence we inflict on ourselves and others, and distorting the level of violence non-anglo/US inflict on us and each other.

    5. news networks believe that the average american does not need or want to understand geopolitical nuance or complex historical context, so we won’t provide it, and since they are not educated enough to find it for themselves, we are going to package it in terms they are familiar with.

    6. money is the bottom line, not ethics. As long as CNN and others don’t cross a line that gets them sued, what do they care what we think? We don’t have thoughts. We are numbers. We are either a 1 (watching) or a 0 (not watching). If you can’t express an idea with either of those digits, it doesn’t matter.

    Personally, I think it is a matter of journalistic license. The holocaust gore is shown (by non-nazis) as a deterrent to mark it as abominable. The gore of the Machete-wielding Kenyan political riots was shown to make the point that Africans are backward and violent and dangerous people, and that is often the ONLY news from Africa we hear from the mainstream: that africans are killing other africans. Nevermind the complexities of who they are or why, mind you.

    Gore is hyperreality. Apart from the smell and the sounds of a tragedy, visual effects of violence are meant to put people “in the action”. The reason why CNN or MSNBC or any other network uses gore is to do two things: to evoke viewer sympathy with groups with “pro-american” policies, or to evoke disgust with groups who have “anti-american” policies. As far as the lead and bleed daily stuff, i think it has the same purpose. The rape victim you were talking about – it creates disgust with subhuman outsider goups, evokes sympathy with similar groups (which is why you couldn’t look at it), and provides an extreme emotional experience (which is the product ultimately, not information).

    Ethically, no, that woman’s body shouldn’t have been exploited like that. But, there must be a consumer group that likes gory scenes (whether they admit it or not), otherwise the paper wouldn’t sell.

    That’s just human: publicly they like what they should, but secretly, they like what they shouldn’t. That principle drives business, and business drives the news. That’s why the Post sells, even though everyone knows its garbage. That’s why tabloids sell. That’s why porn sells, even disaster porn (good call Latoya). That’s why cigarettes killed more people in 2001, but some people consider 9/11 to be the worst disaster of all time. http://www.notcot.org/post/9069/
    If cigarettes made people explode in a bloody mess, it would be newsworthy.

    Americans don’t respect their dead. Dead celebrities are spokesmen in commercials. Nothing is sacred when anything can be bought or sold.

  9. jvansteppes wrote:

    Of course every time this happens we learn just how many Europeans, Australians and North Americans have been injured while the local victims evoke little more than a distant sigh.

    I don’t know if anyone else read the story about the white Canadian voice actor, visiting Mumbai for a yoga seminar, who compared the experience to the film ‘Die Hard’. Don’t worry though Canada, he’ll be back for Christmas.

    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/11/30/f-rudder.html

  10. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    A while back, I took note of the discrepancy in news coverage coming out of Kenya in 2007. I read the BBC World News feed daily and during the weeks leading up to the election, there was a lot of civil unrest due to fears that the election would be hijacked.

    However, on the day of the election, when Keyan citizens thought that the election was stolen, many news outlets reported that “tribal warfare” had broken out in the region. Never mind that before that day, I only read in one outlet that the political lines mirrored older tribal loyalties. Nope, it was savages killing each other – and that’s the shit that gets me about how the news is reported.

    Unfortunately, Laura and JW, there hasn’t been a ton in the news that filtered over here to shed some light on your questions. we can keep watching, but I doubt we’ll find satisfactory answers.

    @firstofall –

    Good analysis. However, I am going to challenge one idea:

    sensationalism is the lifeblood of 24hr news, whether we like it or not.

    Since news is based on a for-profit system, what we buy into is extremely important. And I believe that the implosion of legacy media belies that fact. If people feel as though they can’t trust the news to provide accurate information, where do we go? What networks prove their credibility? Who do we tune into and who do we ignore? More and more people hunger for good journalism, strong writing, and strong analysis- things that are less profitable than celebrity news and advertisements. So, I would expect to see a major shift in how the news is reported and disseminated, based on user demand. I’m looking around the media landscape myself and am encouraged by the smaller things that are gaining strength – independent fellowships and funds for investigative journalism, the growth of critical content drivers like Current TV, the growing appeals for a return to reason and substantial debate.

    I doubt we will see the benefits of this for the next decade, but I believe a media renaissance is coming.

    Other than that, full cosign.

    But then, one has to wonder – can a media outlet survive outside of a profit motive?

  11. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    Perhaps we have seen soooo many lifeless brown people in the media that we are almost unmoved by violence when it is inflicted on brown bodies, and yet because the media continues t0 ’sanitize’ violence in terms of white people, images of white people continue to have a jarring effect. It is just more unexpected.

    That said, there is a time and a place to employ the power of a lifeless body in conveying the gravity of a message.

  12. Jorge wrote:

    I’m currently living in Tijuana, and Lord knows, I’m sick and tired of all the bloody pictures and news of kidnappings, deaths and the details about how people died. It is almost like talking about the weather: “Hey, did you hear how many people they found dead this morning?”

    But, I do have to admit, it is very different when I used to read about when I was still in the U.S. All those deaths were just numbers.

    Still, I don’t believe that the news should be sanitized when it comes to images like these (some restraint, yes). The rest of the world should see what it is living in these sorts of places. Otherwise it makes violence look like something out of a movie or a video game.

  13. firstofall wrote:

    @Latoya:

    “Since news is based on a for-profit system, what we buy into is extremely important. ”

    I agree that the dynamics of supply and demand should apply here, but somehow it gets circumvented because these guys are too big to fail (where have i heard that before?). The internet is a place for people who want their own news, hence the decline of the newspaper. But, everybody still knows what happened on CNN because we all have TV’s and we still watch even though we know that most of it is tainted and awful. I would say that the fact that we have cable or a television is all that is necessary to buy in. Maybe we’re not sold on what they have to say, but we end up watching TV because it is mindless and titillating and therefore pleasurable. I think that the hunger for less of that kind of infotainment will come from the betrayal of those sources really sinking in for a lot of people, combined with the economic necessity for better quality information. I think that the whole “Liberal media/corporate media” Rorschach test is a precursor to this, but time will tell if it will evolve into movement of independent everything. The only obstacle to that future is the problem of information overload, which I think is the only factor keeping the big media fixtures in place. Nobody wants to go to 35 different places to get their news, unless it’s going to be worth the energy.

    As for the future of media, I hope for our sake that there is a *naissance* of reason and debate, since there really never has been a structure in place like the internet for sharing raw data and eyewitness reports in the hands of the average person before. And i am also encouraged by the internet being taken advantage of in such a way by all kinds of people to gain some agency and voice independent of major media.

    So that’s a reason to be hopeful, but at the same time, I also fear that the independent medias may stay small, since it takes great time and effort to produce credible, documented content in the face of corporate behemoths and their lawyers when the profit motive is minimal. And there is your second point.

    I think the profit motive causes problems on the one hand because you can threaten the journalist with losing their job if they report things that are not to your liking as a wonk (such as the white house press corps). On the other hand it is not easy to keep anything afloat without a profit motive (look at the pinkyshow.com). What ends up happening is that a small, educated, and inquisitive audience supports a small, dedicated group of passionate journalists, creating a small niche where real (or close) news and analysis can grow. The problem is, these niches tend to seek out opinions that they want to hear, so other ideas get excluded and the group runs the risk of becoming very insular and politicized.

    Like Current TV, I agree that by making news more interactive between the viewer and the content producer, the process can hold the journalists more accountable for credibility than the current system of passive viewership. If PBS was a service like Current TV, run solely with donations, presented feeds as a combination between staffed, user, and freelance content, and didn’t have to take money from the government, that would be ideal. It would be even cooler if users could actually ask questions in realtime to the people being interviewed or the journalists on site. But then comes the question of moderation, etc… and then it gets sticky. Hopefully, good things will keep coming, and the biggest blocks of consumers (and not just the literati) will be turned on to alternative media sources (or the raw AP feed at least).

    maybe someday we will be able to eat righteousness.

  14. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    I know that the Arab media shows dead bodies very, very openly. During the Israeli attacks on Lebanon there were many pictures of dead children which were widely shown and distributed.

    Whereas in the West, it does seem to be more disliked. For example, when an Italian tv channel showed pictures of the Meredith Kirschner murder scene in which her corpse was clearly visable, there was a big outcry.

    However, as noted above these same Western channels will happily show dead non Westerners and during the recent conflict in Georgia, they were happy to show pictures of dead Georgians too.

  15. smp wrote:

    I have several thoughts on this topic. One is related to JW’s question. I kept hearing that terrorists were targeting Westerners. Yet I’ve only heard of a handful Westerners being victims. Maybe terrorism isn’t so terrible when all of the victims are brown.

    Also, does death get sanitized based on who the perpetrators are or believed to be? I think that has a lot to do with it. The pics of bloodied and dead bodies were plentiful after the Oklahoma City bombing. But of course initially they were looking for Muslims. I don’t think I saw nearly as many after 9/11, but there were some. Do we need to see the dead because they resulted from terrorism/Muslims or are any dead people good enough to be shown? People are brutally murdered everyday here in the US by other US residents. Graphic pics of those crimes rarely make the news.

    Finally, how does showing death and destruction change the lives of the living? I don’t see people standing up more against crime, violence, war, or terror. In some communities that are routinely plagued by violence and crime, they seem to become numb to it. I don’t think graphic depictions of death have much of an effect besides shocking those who see them.

  16. Sobia wrote:

    This is a really interesting thread. I said it then and I’ll say it now – I truly believe that the reason the tsunami of a few years ago got the level of coverage it did because there were so many Westerners who were killed. A year later the Pakistani earthquake happened, which on a humanitarian level was a greater disaster (there were more survivors, who were left homeless in sub-zero temperatures) but the coverage did not nearly parallel that of the tsunami. One, because no (as far as I know) Westerners died (at least not White ones) and, two, because it was mainly Muslims who died. I remember reading one reader comment on a news website stating something to the effect of “good – I hope Osama bin Laden died too.” But this seems to be the norm any time the victims are Muslims. Did the Gujrat riots in India get the same international outrage?

    @JW:
    You bring up some excellent points. I truly believe this was an inside job – India just doesn’t want to admit that it oppresses and terrorizes Kashmiris and that this may have been a response to that.

    As far as seeing the bodies goes, its a tough one. On the one hand I want the American people to see the full extent of the destruction and death Americans have caused in places like Iraq. But on the other hand I worry that the deaths of Iraqi people will not only be sensationalized but normalized and thus the people being desensitized. And of course, not to mention the whole dichotomy of brown dead people being *just bodies* whereas white dead people being dead *people.*

  17. RChoudh wrote:

    Regarding “India’s 9/11″: The atrocities in Mumbai are just the latest in a string of attacks felt all across India this past year alone. One of the main reasons why the Mumbai incident is being touted so frequently by Western media is because this attack affected Westerners in India as well as the upper class Indian establishment. Past incidents in India affected mainly middle and lower class Indians only so it was not so newsworthy by the West as to be dubbed “India’s 9/11″.
    Also I believe another reason such extended coverage about Mumbai is occurring in America is because of the geopolitical implications of this incident. If India decides to threaten Pakistan with war over this then the West’s war in Afghanistan will be affected (supply lines to Western troops from Pakistan will get cut, Taliban insurgents will be left alone by Pakistan troops, etc.).
    I do agree with Latoya that there exists a clear bias in coverage over violent incidents perpetrated by the West and those perpetrated by others. In the case of Mumbai the violence and gore were shown in order to:
    1) reinforce the idea behind the War on Terror so that the West willl continue to support it
    2) imply to Westerners the geopolitical impact of such an incident (India and Pakistan’s animosity will not just affect them but affect the West too)

    In contrast to this the violence perpetrated in Iraq and Afghanistan has to be sanitized by the West and not only because we don’t want Westerners to see whites killing non whites.
    1). In order to continue the War on Terror coverage over the human costs of war (civilian and military casualties) must be eliminated, which is why you’ll see almost no coverage of the coffins containing American soldiers coming home or about how the pilotless drones destroy entire villages in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
    2). Constant coverage about more mundane matters like elections in Iraq and Afghanistan and the troops interacting with the civilian populations there are meant to emphasize that we are “winning” or close to winning over there (never mind that the idea of what it means to win in these wars is ambiguous).
    So basically what my long winded post is meaning to say is that most news coverage in America is shaped by geopolitical events and strategies, which MSM almost never alludes to. Viewers would have to really educate themselves about geopolitical affairs in order to better understand why certain news coverage is emphasized while something else is not.

  18. jen wrote:

    I got here late and don’t have time to read through all the comments, so forgive me if I’m repeating what someone has already said. I remember reading Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business (1985).
    Wikipedia summary of the book is as follows.

    “Neil Postman…argues that media of communication inherently influence the conversations carried out over them. Postman posits that television is the primary means of communication for our culture and it has the property of converting a culture’s conversations with itself into entertainment, so much so that public discourse on important issues has disappeared. Since the treatment of serious issues as entertainment inherently prevents them from being treated as serious issues and indeed since serious issues have been treated as entertainment for so many decades now, the public is no longer aware of these issues in their original sense, but only as entertainment.”

    Was there not a time when some discourse about television put forth the idea that too much violence, whether fictional or real, has the tendency to desensitize viewers toward the idea of violence?

    This possibility seems increased in areas of the world where the majority of violence that people see is either televised fiction or the news. It seems as though viewing removed images like that constantly would cause some to confuse life with art and art with life, thus enabling viewers to simply turn the channel when more violence is in the news. Even worse is the possibility of causing violence to be seen as an attribute of the “Other.” “Those people are always killing each other…” “Bombs are always going off there…” “Oh look, more people have been killed in that place…”

    We already read numbers of causualties like sporting scores.

    During the course of my education, the most graphic images of death I encountered, by far were from WWII, and all of those were either Japanese or Jewish victims. At the beginning of the current conflicts, we had day to day footage of the violence. None of these things brings me any closer to a concept of violence or the human suffering it causes. They give me a mental image to turn back to when I consider to myself “What is war?” etc., but that image is removed from my actual experience because I’ve been blessed (and privileged) enough not to have had the meanings of war and violence made real.

    I realize that this is a little off topic. I don’t think theres any particular solution to be found in showing violence. The problem with shock is that it excites a kind of reaction that loses steam, and the next time a strong reaction is needed, you have to top what was shown before. And that might be true, not only in terms of the media, but also in terms of those who perpetuate violence.

  19. Jess wrote:

    @firstofall–

    I’m not so sure the Internet in and of itself — even with all the cool technologies it offers — is necessarily going to be much of a solution.

    While there is an interactive quality — like the comments on this site — I haven’t seen any evidence that the kind of dynamic you posit will necessarily emerge. I mean, the biggest variety of media outlets of any kind on the Internet do porn, so that says a lot right there about what people are interested in.

    I’m also a bit of a traditionalist, in that I was never so taken with the way “citizen journalists” can be part of the news process. It’s not that i don’t think most people can’t ever do it, but one of the skills you develop as a writer and reporter is being able to separate what you want to see from what’s there. It’s a little bit like the skills of a sketch artist, actually — learn to see what’s in front of you.

    It’s a little different for viewers, because television as a medium makes it a lot harder to present things in a thoughtful way. Reading a printed page (or text) is in many ways an interactive process because unlike television you can’t half-read with the book (or newspaper) blaring in the background.

    I’m not saying writers are “objective” (which always was a bit of a false dichotomy anyway) but that there are a lot of stories that I had to tell myself were not going to fit into the narrative I thought they should. And even though I am interested in issues of social justice, I found the easy, almost manichean way the world got divided in the more lefty-oriented media was unsatisfying. (this happens in right wing media as well, but it was the former that I have worked for). I thought it obscured, rather than illuminated.

    Which is why I am wary when I hear that the “traditional media” is all messed up and irredeemable, and the Internet is the solution. Yes it is messed up, but a lot of it has to do with economic policy. For instance, the changes in ownership rules radically altered the way newspapers have to operate, and that was long before the Internet mattered.

    It’s also worth noting that the Internet is not free, though it pleases us to think it is. You pay to get on here, either via your phone bill or your ISP, and even an Internet cafe isn’t given out for charity, you know?

  20. Free wrote:

    Humiliate the dead? Impossible. That sentiment stems from sensibilities that are too fine, too “puritanized.”

    “I want people to see what we really do to one another. I want to de-mystify, and de-romanticize violence. Let people gawk! Make them look!”

    AGREED!

  21. Eva wrote:

    I agree with Free. After 9/11 I believe that a photographer was chastised because he showed people jumping from the Towers. I don’t know the link but I saw on the Internet a documentary about the identity of a man who jumped from the towers.

    I remember during the Vietnam era, that photograph of the little girl running down the road naked because she’d been burned in a bomb blast and had torn off her clothes. I don’t think that image was disrespectful, it really turned more people against the war.

  22. natural brown sugar wrote:

    I think there is the proverbial elephant in the room. Or, um, comments.
    I saw more coverage of the attacks on the Chabad Lubavitch house than seemed proportionate, considering that 5 people died in that strike, compared to the 180 some odd deaths elsewhere. The mangled bodies of the two American rabbis, and the Israeli- American wife were not shown, but we saw numerous pictures of the religious service to their community.
    I only heard once, on CNN I believe, that the couple had a 10 year old son with special needs who was being cared for in Israel. Yet, most of the focus was on the courageous act of the Brown nanny to save the adorable White toddler from harm. We saw film of the child in the nanny’s arms, and still photos of the boy, with voice over narration telling the viewer of his impending 2nd birthday.
    Why was the focus only on the one child, and not the son who may not be able to comprehend the loss of his parents? Why were we told over and over the story of the rabbi’s choice to move to Indian? What makes Israeli- American religious Jews lives more important than the untold life stories of many other victims? Also, why did the media hastily decide that the attackers were Pakistani rather than home grown terrorists of any faith?

    For these reasons, and many already stated, I decided not to pursue a journalism degree. I can’t be party to a system that glorifies the lives of some while reducing the lives of others to bleeding Brown victims on a stretcher.

  23. Marge Twain wrote:

    “why did the media hastily decide that the attackers were Pakistani rather than home grown terrorists of any faith?”

    President Singh was the one who first suggested that Pakistan may be involved. And it was the terrorists themselves who called the local media and complained about the treatment of Muslims.

  24. Tania wrote:

    Why do you assume that Jews are white? Plenty of people may look “white” who are not; passing for white doesn’t necessarily save them from descrimination and violence. And, despite the very real white-vs.-nonwhite bias in the media, the people in the Chabad House were the only people attacked because of a specific identity, and, according to reports of statements by the forensic examiners, the only people tortured for a prolonged length of time before being killed. The fact that they were the most obvious victims of a racial/ethnic hate crime might account for some of the increased media coverage, if not all.

  25. minke wrote:

    Two points:

    1) I am alright with non-specific depictions of bloodiness on the news…like far-away shots or shots of lots of people rather than one specific dead individual. I think it’s generally disrespectful to those people depicted, since they don’t have any choice about the matter.

    2) The bloody footage I’ve seen from Mumbai here in Canada seems to all be from local Indian news agencies rather than filmed by foreign news. I think this can be ascribed to cultural differences in what is appropriate to show in the news. I was visiting family in Serbia last year when a young man fell into a bear exhibit at the zoo and died. The paper published a full-sized colour photo of his mangly half-eaten corpse. It just seemed undignified and sensationalist.

  26. ART wrote:

    @22 b/c they were literally hunted down and murdered because of their religion/ethnicity/race. If that doesn’t seem extremely messed up to anyone on this board, I would have to ask them if perhaps their anti-zionism is really an expression of anti-semitism.

  27. Keren wrote:

    @ Natural Brown Sugar
    I’m not sure that I agree that the victims of the Chabad house are getting disproportionate coverage, but even if that’s true, I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s because their deaths ARE different. Of all the victims, they were the only ones who were killed (and tortured to death- I believe the attacker put grenades in their mouths) because of what they were born. Aside from that, the murder of a six-month pregnant woman killed in front of her infant son is always going to be newsworthy.

  28. natural brown sugar wrote:

    @Tania- I understand your statement regarding passing, and their real or perceived whiteness of course does not make them immune from violence.

    @ART- I think its more than messed up, just as I believe that the entire wave of violence was beyond horrid.
    I’m neither anti- zionist nor anti- semite.

    @Keren- I had no idea that she was pregnant or the details of their torture. I also wasn’t aware of their son having witnessed this disgusting violence. After a time I had to turn off the news, leave the BBC site, and hope that it would end. I found it all deeply disturbing.

    I just felt that someone should ask these questions, but don’t appreciate the assumptions that followed. I thought the point of this was to discuss race, culture, and nationality as it related to the depiction of graphic violence in media coverage.

  29. Jaye wrote:

    It seemed like Latoya and Megan were having 2 different conversations. Megan was talking about the impact of showing violence in a general sense, and using it as a tool to foster awareness. Latoya was talking about the reality of who the media chooses to show during times of disaster and war, and that those choices support a racial hierarchy of ‘worthy’ vs ‘unworthy’ humans.

    I think Megan makes some good points about how showing the violence helped to end the Vietnam War, but I also think that is only true because it was so sanitized to begin with, that the shock of seeing actual violence propelled people into action. If they had showed the ongoing violence from the beginning, it might not have had the same effect.

  30. Jaye wrote:

    Natural Brown Sugar:

    You might have jumped to conclusions about the focus on the murdered Jewish couple. They were targeted, and their deaths were particularly horrific. But just because you jumped to conclusions, I don’t think that makes you an anti-semite.

    I do think your overall point about the coverage on white victims was valid. Every single ‘eyewitness’ I saw or heard speaking on CNN was a Caucasian-American or British person, even though many people from India speak excellent English, so there wasn’t any reason not to interview them. Also, CNN talked about how the gunmen targeted Westerners, but it seemed to me that Indians made up a disproportionate number of those who died. I can picture a few faces in my minds of those who were there or died in the attacks, because they were talked about or interviewed on the news, and they were all Westerners. I can’t picture a single Indian person, the only ones I can think of were on tape running away from the gunmen, often bloody or shouting, they were never being interviewed, as far as I could see. And this picking and choosing of who to interview or focus on, it suggests that some lives are worthier or more important than others. So I think Natural Brown Sugar made some good points, even though she chose the wrong example to illustrate her point.

  31. Marge Twain wrote:

    There have been Jews in India, ethnic Indians, for thousands of years.

  32. Tracey wrote:

    I agree and have conflicted feelings. I have defiantly noticed that when the deceased are white/western the bodies are almost never shown. While I do believe we need to be upfront about violence, I hate to see the discrepancy. It’s hard to say that the media wants to be realistic when it only shows the blood and dead bodies of non-western victims. I am not so naive as to believe that there is not a tinge of racism in coverage that consistently displays the bodies of people of color while keeping photos of white westerners to a minimum.

  33. Nick wrote:

    I can only speak for the news agency I work for, but our policy is that we don’t show the dead (of any ethnicity) unless the event has been so catastrophic that to avoid it would be unrealistic.

    The boxing day tsunami of 2004 is one example. For the first few days we avoided showing any bodies. But as the number of dead increased into the tens of thousands, it seemed wrong not to show some evidence of the carnage. This wasn’t done for ratings or any voyeuristic urge, but for the simple fact that an enormous number of people had died and to avoid showing any of the victims would have been to be skirting our duty to show what had happened.

    For what it’s worth, the policy of most news agencies is to never show anything that could lead a viewer to identify a family member.

    And as far as showing/talking about westerners to the exclusion of “foreigners”, I think this is inevitable when considering the target audience. People are, for better or worse, more likely to be interested in what’s happening to their own countrymen. I don’t agree or like it, but it appears to be the norm. I’d be interested to hear from those of other countries if that’s the case too.