take back the halloween!

by special correspondent Thea Lim

Thanks to the Toronto Asian Arts Freedom School for helping me figure out just why I have a hard time with Halloween, and for allowing me to share our strategies with Racialicious!

white rasta

I’m a Halloween party pooper. I do a dismal job of dressing up. My last costume consisted of a baseball hat with googly eyes and mouse ears. I’ve only given out candy once. Some years I’ve even hidden upstairs in the dark, ashamed of my lack of candy, pumpkin and sense of fun.

I’ve always felt like a bit of a jerk for not participating in the festivities. It doesn’t come that naturally to me - I spent most of my childhood in a country where Halloween wasn’t really celebrated, except as a club night. But since I moved back to North America 8 years ago, Halloween has seemed more like an obligation than a party zone, and every year I fail to rise to the challenge.

A year ago a new friend pointed out to me something that Angry Asian Man nicely illustrated on this here blog a few weeks ago: Halloween is not just a time to wear fake blood and fishnets, it’s also…racist!

white mexican

Mainstream North American culture likes to define itself as cultureless, but Halloween is a very cultural practice. Not only is it a little weird (Just look at it from the point of view of an outsider. Send your kids out to strangers’ houses and tell them to ask for candy? Decorate your house like a graveyard? Dress up like a sexy version of a public health worker?) it is also based on difference - the point of Halloween is to dress up as “something different.” So how do people who are often made to feel visually different - you know, like people of colour - experience Halloween? The average Halloween costume tells us a lot about what we culturally consider to be abnormal.

It tells us that dressing up in an overtly sexy way is taboo - in other words, that we’re a pretty sex-negative people. It tells us that we are obsessed with strict gender categories - because most little boys and girls have to choose very gender-coded costumes, but also because for many young people Halloween is the one time they can experiment with gender in a socially sanctioned way.

And if dressing up as “something different” can typically involve wearing geisha make-up, a Native headdress, bling, or a turban, Halloween tells us that our cultural norm is a middle-class, North American, white person.

white china doll

Maybe it’s not surprising then, that those of us who are made to feel like we are visually different, or those of us who feel culturally marginalised by mainstream North American culture (and we’re prolly the same people who are acutely aware that North American cultures are very real, and very defineable), feel uncomfortable, guilty, angry or just plain sad at Halloween.

Two weeks ago I co-facilitated an anti-racist Halloween workshop for the Toronto Asian Arts Freedom School. And the experience made me feel like less of a funless, googly-hat-wearing, Halloween loser.

Our workshop was attended primarily by 1st and 2nd generation Canadian Asian youth, and I was surprised and relieved to hear many people saying some of the things that I’d felt, but never quite been able to articulate. We talked about how as kids we’d felt uncomfortable or silly dressing up at Halloween; that the idea of dressing up as “something different” didn’t compute, because every day we felt like “something different.” Or that when we tried to imagine ourselves as a traditional costume (like a firefighter or a cheerleader - costumes that are very gendered and raced) it never seemed to fit. It’s true that the few times I have dressed up, it’s always been as a non-human thing - like a tomato, carrot or a bee (that was my agricultural stage).

People of colour - especially those who grew up or live racially isolated - have a fear of being conspicuous. As much as I like attention, I also devote massive energy to trying to blend in. This effects my personality and how I present myself on a fundamental level. The regular attempt to neutralise your race is a basic part of living as a person of colour in a racist culture.

I wasn’t able to pin down why the holiday where you’re supposed to stand out gives me a serious case of the heebiegeebies, until I gave that workshop. It was totally enlightening to hear how much other Freedom Schoolers related; how much Halloween turned our fears of conspicuousness all the way up. You don’t dress up because you have a phobia of standing out; you don’t wanna stand out; this collective project to stand out freaks you out. But when you don’t dress up, you stand out. It’s enough to drive anyone under the bed until Nov 1st.

white muslim terrorist

Halloween is not racist in and of itself. Many cultures have some form of Halloween, like the Mexican Day of the Dead, or the Chinese Hungry Ghost Festival. Celebrating Halloween doesn’t have to be a racist act. In fact, I know many people of colour (anti-racist people of colour!) who love Halloween. The main question that we tried to answer in our workshop, was this: even if sometimes we are made to feel as if we don’t fit into the mainstream idea of what a North American is, we still are North Americans - and as a North American holiday, Halloween is ours too. So how can we take it back?

Here are four ideas we came up with:

1) Go as an aspect of my identity amplified

Sure I’m a mixed race person of colour, and a huge part of my identity stems from that. But I get tired of being boiled down to only that. Sometimes I feel like the parts of my identity that have nothing to do with my racial/cultural identity are less interesting, exotic or sexy to the people around me.

One of our participants had the idea that it might be fun to dress up as something that represented our personal cultures (i.e. the culture of me! the unique combination of everything that has happened to me). For example, if you’re a chronically late person, you could wear an enormous, broken wrist-watch. Personally I have an intense (and ok, strange) hatred of wrinkled or bunchy bed covers. I could go dressed up as an immaculate pillow case.

2) Go as a dead version of a racial stereotype

My hair stylist (who is East Asian) works in one of the poshest salons in town (but gives me a large discount so I can justify my coiff). Last year she dressed up in full geisha regalia - except she had a massive bullet wound on her forehead. To me the geisha costume represents a lot of the way East Asian women are sexualised in North America - expected to be submissive and sexually available. There was something ghoulishly satisfying about seeing it paired with such unsettling gore. I liked the idea of taking something that represents the way we’ve been oppressed, and then putting a gross, unappetizing spin on it.

3) A costume that somehow indicates that cultural clothes are not a costume

Some of our participants talked about how, as children, Halloween was the only time they could wear their cultural clothes to school without getting full-out mocked. What effect does it have on us that the only time we can be ourselves, is when others are dressing up as the weirdest thing they can think of?

The reason why “ethnic costumes” are so problematic is because they posit a cultural identity as a costume - they compress the complexity and intricacy of an entire culture into dress-up; into something that anyone (or really, usually someone with class and race privilege) has the right to use for the most superficial purposes.

One of our participants kicked around the idea of going dressed up in a sari, but with a sign that said “This is not a costume.” Or to be less literal: wear your cultural clothes for a week leading up to Halloween, and then wear jeans and a t-shirt on Halloween itself.

4) Throw a “you can not wear a costume” party

I think this was my favourite. Maybe, at least right now, Halloween night just isn’t a safe place for sensitive, anti-racist folks. So throw your own anti-racist October 31st party, and for people like me who feel downhearted whenever they try to think of an acceptable Halloween costume, make it a party where you don’t have to dress up if you don’t want to.

Have a safe and anti-racist Halloween. It’s seriously more fun than hiding upstairs.

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Comments

  1. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Good point that Halloween costumes tend to define what’s abnormal in our culture. You don’t see many kids dressed in business suits or smocks and aprons.

    As you know, Halloween costumes are a perennial issue for Native Americans. Natives get especially upset because items such as feathers are sacred to them.

    Here’s the latest Halloween protest by Natives. You go, people!

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/10/halloween-protest-2008-edition.html

  2. Daniel Jiménez wrote:

    And I imagine that you know this:

    http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/10/27/obama-mask-listed-as-terrorist-costume-by-amazon/

    But just in case…

  3. Daniel wrote:

    Good points. This issue comes up every year and I can definitely relate. I never really liked Halloween, but I tolerated it. I’ve always felt marginalized by American culture, and I’ve always feared being conspicuous. I’ve never fit in and have always had to act in order to seem to. Interesting suggestions.

  4. cdf wrote:

    I keep forgetting Halloween is around the corner. It seems that the holiday happens “everyday” rather than once a year given current affairs.

  5. Penni Brown wrote:

    OMG - this is so on point. I work in corporate america and a couple of years ago, we had a halloween contest. For reasons that I couldn’t articulate then, I had no idea what to ‘go as’ . I mean, I am pretty much wearing a costume every dayum day…my corporate costume. So, in a fit of genius/laziness, i decided to go as myself. I wore a retro tracksuit and sneakers and set my naturally curly hair free. I even wore sunglasses, b/c I’m convinced that I’m invisible to my white co-workers when I’m not in the usual corporate context. (Does that make me a superhero?)

    It was great! I was comfortable and when I wasn’t being asked for my ID or directed to the mailroom, I got to just float around my office without being bothered.

    I feel like it’s halloween everyday that I’m wearing my corporate costume, it was nice to have one day, that wasn’t a weekend, where I could just be me!

  6. sejw wrote:

    My question is, where in the hell did you find that photo of the “suicide bomber” costume!?! It made my eyes bug out in my head….

    As for costumes, there’s always the “dress up as your favorite piece of art or artist.” Be a Starry Night, or a melting Dali clock. In my case, my favorite artist is Frida Kahlo, so I was her for Halloween.

  7. CVT wrote:

    I was thinking of going as an exotic “white guy” for Halloween, but I don’t know how I could pull it off without having to wear labels all over - and that seems to defeat the purpose.

  8. tracy wrote:

    I think the main problem here is that Halloween is a kid’s holliday and kids in general are judgemental and racist. Asian kids for example feel different everyday but I don’t think Asian adults do. We go to work everyday and I certainly don’t feel different everyday.

    You mentioned that a kid can only wear traditional clothes to school during Halloween and will be mocked otherwise. That’s a kid thing. Kids mock each other about everything.

    At work I sometimes wear a Chinese blouse and get complimented. There are a couple of white girls at work who will also wear japanese or chinese blouses from time to time and it’s great.

    Halloween, even though not intended for adults, is much more fun for adults cause they throw great parties and are mature enough to appreciate any costume. The more creative the better.

    Kids are just downright mean!

  9. CVT wrote:

    By the way - add an inch or so to that “Mexican” mustache, and that guy becomes a dead-ringer for the “China Man” from Angry Asian Man’s blog. Amazing!

  10. Cynthia wrote:

    To me, a “costume” is something that one doesn’t wear every day. So for most Chinese people in Canada, yes, anything ethnic would be, in a sense, a “costume.” They don’t call period pieces “costume dramas” for nothing.

    You know, the biggest costumes this year may very well not be costumes at all. They say that a lot of people may very well be going as Sarah Palin or John McCain. Of course, it DOES become a costume once you add that Sarah Palin wig and glasses.

  11. Nina wrote:

    I have a beautiful sari and I always remind myself DO NOT WEAR OTHER PEOPLE’s ATTIRE AS A COSTUME, ITS RUDE.

  12. Alissa wrote:

    I wrestled with this for quite a while after I was invited to a “costumes mandatory” Halloween party. As a biracial woman it’s quite hard for me to find something that I don’t find offensive. It’s a cop-out, but I ended up deciding on the Southern Belle - a stereotype of white beauty and privilege that I feel comfortable lampooning, as well as an excuse to wear a long dress that actually covers me. It’s not a strong enough repudiation of the problems inherent in the whole holiday, but I do look pretty good with blond ringlets.

  13. Renee wrote:

    This post articulated many of the conflicts that I have with Halloween. As the mother of two very small kids it is a holiday that we cannot skip and so in recent years I have had to make a dedicated effort to find costumes for my little guys that aren’t ridiculously racialized or genderized. It is not an easy thing to do when that is what is commonly marketed.

    It disturbs me to see the amount of ethnic/cultural appropriation as we troll the neighborhood for candy. The degree to which we have normalized othering is never more apparent that Halloween night.

  14. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    I think everybody should just avoid dressing up as people.

    For me, Halloween costumes should focus on:

    -food (dress up like a M&M or Spree.. or a hamburger)

    -movie character (Marilyn Monroe…the Terminator… etc)

    -object (racing car, computer, mailbox, etc)

    -random stuff (someone actually mentioned they’re dressing up as a LOLcat)

    -public personality (Amy Winehouse)

    -weird stuff (zombie, ghost, gunshot victim)

    If anybody can’t think of clever Halloween ideas and resort to using racist stereotypes, then at least we’ll all know what fucking losers they are.

  15. Sobia wrote:

    @Nina:

    THANK YOU. I wish some of my friends would get that. :(

  16. Tony wrote:

    Personally, I think we should institute a rule that halloween costumes have to be monsters and such again.

    My biggest problems isn’t so much racism, it’s just not Halloween style.

    Halloween is about vampires and zombies and werewolves (Oh my!).

    My costumes are always something along those lines.

    A good Halloween costume scares the kids away from free candy, not has you pretending to be some other race.

  17. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Penni Brown - I wonder if you have casual Fridays at your work. We could write a whole other post about how even Casual Friday enforces white norms of dress - because not everyone can go in their “casual dress”.

    @ tracy - I think you are right that a lot of these issues start for POCs in childhood, but if adulthood was a racism free space
    1) myself and the people I know would love Halloween. Instead when I go out on the street I am guaranteed to see at least a few adults wearing f-ed up costumes
    2) kids wouldn’t be racist! Kids need to learn racism somewhere - and they learn it from their parents/elders.

    @ Tony
    I guess the idea is that dressing up as another race IS something that will scare kids away. Xenophobia!

  18. Ike wrote:

    Does anyone else find that (white) people think you can only dress up as someone who is your own “race”, whereas they can dress up as anything? Last year I was the girl from Shoot ‘Em Up, and everyone asked if I was an Asian hooker. Why does my ethnicity have to factor into my costume?

    This year, I had a friend who wanted to do Dr. Horrible as a group theme. I hadn’t seen the movie yet, so I asked what I could be. He said I could be the Asian fangirl. WTF? Why would I dress up as someone for the sole reason that we are the same race? More specifically, I’m ALWAYS Asian, why would I ever need to “dress up” as Asian? After seeing the movie, I told him I’d rather go as a horse or a washing machine.

    I was volunteering at an event at the zoo last weekend where parents took their kids trick-or-treating. I was giving out candy and spider rings at a table when I saw a little white girl in a “Chinese” outfit and wearing a witch hat. I was like “Oh, how cute! You’re a princess AND a witch!” After the fact, my friend (also Asian-American) remarked that the girl was supposed to be a Chinese person, to which I responded, “Yeah, but that’s just awkward because I’m a Chinese person all the time.” I wonder how the mother felt as she dealt with three Asian-Americans who were dressed “normally” (read: middle-class Western) while her kid was pretending to be “Chinese”.

    All in all, I’m half hoping that someone will wear a racially insensitive costume for the Halloween party at my school, so that we can finally show everyone that race relations here are NOT fine, and maybe we can get a speaker or something and toss it out in the open instead of pretending to be colorblind.

  19. tracy wrote:

    Isn’t dressing up as a Southern Belle just as bad?

    Feminist Punk: I love your rules! Dressing up as an M&M is great!

  20. Mahsino wrote:

    I have two reasons to hate Halloween:

    1. It’s my birthday. 21 years of being called a devil baby gets really old. And, selfish as it sounds, I really hate the idea of strange children asking me for stuff on the one day I should be able to strictly receive gifts.

    2. As a black woman, it’s really hard to dress up as the characters I want to without mass explanation. I can’t go as Wonder Woman- I have to go as “Black Wonder Woman” The whole purpose of Halloween costumes is to go as something you are afraid of. The obvious choice for me would have been Sarah Palin but I’d come off as a glasses-wearing Michelle Obama- not cool.

    The worst costume related story I have came from my sophomore year in college when I was trying to figure out a costume. A hipster classmate of mine suggested I braid my hair, add tons of blond weave, wear tight- skin bearing clothing and add an AA on my chest. What was the AA for? Affirmative Action (I’m the only black woman in my major).

    I had to leave the room before violence ensued.

  21. Penni Brown wrote:

    Thea - Nope, Fridays for us is still basically Banana and J. Crew…which I don’t mind btw since I found ways to infuse those preppy ensembles with bits of my own identity. But, even that for me is not how I dress when I hang out with my friends, so I still sometimes feel like a method actor.

  22. Amanda Amaterasu wrote:

    “DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    (someone actually mentioned they’re dressing up as a LOLcat)”

    I’m not the “someone” you know, but that’s *my* Halloween costume! I haven’t decided what my clever caption will say. I’m leaning towards “My candy, let me show you it”.

    When I was in my freshman year of college, I’d spotted a group of white frat boys in a bar dressed like cholos. They kept screaming “orale vato!” all night and spoke in stereotypical exaggerated accents. I was angry about it for a while, but then I decided to let them inspire my next Halloween costume. For my sophomore year, I was a frat boy. I wore a faded white baseball cap that said “COCKS” on it and called everyone I encountered “dude”.

  23. Roxie wrote:

    Another way to avoid such things (DFP has some great ideas!) is to dress up as if you’re from another time period.

    Just a random person from whatever time period.

    Of course that always gets me thinking of what people who looked like me might’ve gone through…This year, I’m 80’s :)

  24. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ tracy
    I’m uncomfortable with anyone dressing up as any race, culture or subculture…just because there are always painful generalisations involved. Though I do better understand the anger that might motivate a Southern Belle or Frat Boy costume than what motivates a Ninja or Pimp costume.

    @ Amanda
    That sounds amazing! You would win my costume contest.

    @ Ike & Mahsino
    You both raise a point that I hinted at - that not only do ethnicities become costumes at Halloween, but typical superhero or job costumes are by default, white. In some ways Halloween gives us a good chance to unpack how we always assume whiteness - like, why do we find it so odd to see a Black Wonder Woman? - but usually that never happens…

  25. Winn wrote:

    Halloween is difficult for me, not only as a POC, but also as a member of a religious minority. I am a Pagan, and for us Halloween is a religious holiday, generally called Samhain in Celtic tradition. This is, depending on your tradition, usually the most sacred day of the year, and is the day we honor and communicate with loved ones who have passed beyond the veil and celebrate the turning of the wheel to the New Year. The Christianization (the name Halloween is a bastardization of the Catholic holiday All Hallows Eve) commercialization, and juvenilization of this sacred holiday makes this a day Pagans have a complicated love/hate relationship with. Add the use of ethnic stereotypes and racist tropes in Halloween costuming and Halloween can be viewed as less a celebration and more a sort of celebratory forced cultural norming of white and Christian concepts of American culture.

  26. Bagelsan wrote:

    “My candy, let me show you it”.

    That could go horribly/wonderfully wrong depending on who that is addressed to… ^^

    I always went as something nerdy/non-human for Halloween as a kid, and now I do a lazier version of that. (A few years ago I dressed in my regular clothes and told everyone I was a werewolf: “…what? There’s not a full moon tonight.”)

    But both my little sisters went as Disney princesses at least once as kids, which is pretty much full-on gendered/racial/[insert-other-problem-here].

  27. GeeLennox wrote:

    Halloween isn’t just a holiday for kids. It can be a religious holiday for some.

  28. Adri wrote:

    “Halloween tells us that our cultural norm is a middle-class, North American, white person”…..

    MOST DEFINITELY. I agree.

    I’ve always loved Halloween. As a Black female, I’ve always hated it too, specifically because of the racist costumes I’ve seen over the years. It has always surprised me that some people NEVER have a second thought when they decide to wear racist costumes. I’ve seen so many. For example:

    I have a friend that throws slamming Halloween parties every year. His parties would typically consist of a very culturally mixed crowd of Black, White, Latino, Polynesian and Asian peeps. Anyway, I remember one year at his party, a crew of girls, Black and White, came through……… They all had a group theme-”White Girls & Black Girls” The twist was that the Black girls were dressed as the “White Girls”, and the White girls were dressed as the “Black Girls”.

    I’ll start with the Black girls (they all had their own individual “white girl” theme): One of the Black girls’ costumes was what she called the ‘school girl’ look. (Think Brittany Spears in ‘Oops I did it Again’ video.) You know, knee-high socks with Mary Janes. Plaid skirt. White shirt and blazer. Another Black girl had the ‘soccer mom’ look. Polo shirt with a sweater tied around her shoulders. Pearl earrings and necklace. Creased Khaki pants. Loafers. “GO BOBBY!!!” sign. Umm ok. Another had a ‘church girl’ look. She pretty much had on what my mother would call a “Sunday Dress”. Her hair was also in pigtails. White, ankle socks with the ruffled, lace trim. White Mary Janes. Little pink purse.

    Then we have the White girls (the only thing they could come up with as far as individual themes were “ghetto” names like LaQuanda, Shaneequa, etc.): ALL had spray-on tans and brown foundation. Mmmmmkayyy……. They came in rolling their necks and snapping fingers and shit. ALL were dressed in hoochified outfits. They’d ALL stuffed their tops and bottoms to imitate big breasts and big booties. They ALL had like 5-6 fake gold chains round their necks and fake gold rings on each finger. A few girls had fake gold teeth and super, super long nails. One girl had big extension braids in her hair (think Janet Jackson in Poetic Justice). One girl had a blonde weave with purposely visible tracks all throughout her blonde hair. One girl even had a brown baby doll wrapped in a blanket. WTF???

    It was obvious what came to mind when the Black girls thought of how to portray their “White Girls” theme: Smart. Pretty. Well-dressed and well-kept hair. High-class. Educated. Good Mother. God Fearing. Interesting too cuz none of them thought to imitate skin color like the white girls did. But when the White girls thought of how to portray their “Black Girls” theme, you get: Black. Ghetto. Whore. Cheap/Gaudy. Ugly. Fat. Low-Class. Uneducated. Bad Mother.

    At first, I was enraged. But then I was just sad. It was sad that none of them felt or understood what was wrong with that picture. They all thought it was cute and funny. It made me even sadder to think about what those Black girls thought of themselves cuz you’d have to have a really fucked up self image to be okay with something like that.

  29. Eric Daniels wrote:

    This is just minstrel show BS by culturally insenstive people, after a while I say ignore em because they just want to be proudly anti P.C. I love Halloween but some things POC are gong to have to let slide or you will go insane. Some people will always “get outta pocket” and you have to “check” and tell them I am not that Black (or whatever) person to step to with that racist crap.

  30. Brittany wrote:

    Wow Winn. See, as a Christian, Halloween is difficult for me because it is a religious holiday for you (I do not celebrate Pagan holidays, nor do I go for the Christianized Pagan holidays… kinda leaves me with Mothers Day and New Years). I do not celebrate Halloween nor do my kids celebrate it as I understand it to be a pagan holiday (never occured to me that Pagans would be just as irritated by its appropriation). I am not against people who believe in it celebrating it, but for me and my family, it is in contradiction to our family religion (and as I now understand it, belittling of your religion). How do you go about educating people that this isn’t some silly costume party for you and your religion? And, how do you go about celebrating it?

  31. Cynthia wrote:

    Thea:

    Are you uncomfortable when people wear ANY kind of outfit that isn’t from their own culture? What if it’s part of a uniform? For example, members of the marching band at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario all wear kilts. The school even has its own tartan. Would you be okay with that? Or is that different, because that is part of the school’s heritage and culture?

    ***back to our regularly scheduled program***

  32. jvansteppes wrote:

    That Hamburger costime DFP was talking about is awesome.
    Mayor McCheese 4ever!

  33. StayingStrong wrote:

    My Halloween strategy is to dress as a profession. I’ve been an astronaut, doctor, firefighter, nun, etc.

  34. Laura V wrote:

    Halloween is quite popular in my neighborhood, and I’ve noticed there are some costumes which don’t seem to cross race lines, and some that do.

    Popular with everyone: pirates, football players, zombies, ballerinas, fairies, witches.

    Popular with white children: Sally (from Nightmare Before Christmas), “Indian Chief” (…yeah), Frankenstein, Disney characters.

    Popular with black children: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    …you know, when I write it out like that, I really start to wonder “what the heck is Disney doing wrong that none of the nonwhite kids in my neighborhood ever dress up as Disney characters?” Because, really. Sixty million white Cinderellas, Tinkerbells, and Belles turn up on my doorstep, but not one black one?

  35. kerrita k. wrote:

    wow. thank you for giving me something to think about as i go about avoiding my neighborhood’s trick or treaters!
    does anyone have any suggestions for bridging this idea with students as a discussion point?

  36. kerrita k. wrote:

    @ brittany -
    in the conservative christian community where i used to teach - the churches practiced neewollah. the reversal and maybe even reclaiming of halloween from the pagan and commercial masses. was an intriguing concept…

  37. Winn wrote:

    Brittany,

    Thank you for your interest and nuanced questions. To clarify, Halloween is, for us, a secular holiday. We celebrate Samhain (it may be known by other names like Shadowfest or Third Harvest), and in our rites and rituals try best to approximate what the ancient Celts would have done on this most sacred of days. As I mentioned, the name Halloween comes from the attempt to Christianize the original Pagan holiday. The association of the holiday with evil, darkness, and the occult is a Christian appropriation of our sacred day. I don’t know what your specific family religion is, though I would assume it is some denomination of Christianity. The way Halloween has been presented in folkloric and popular culture, I can certainly understand why some Christians would be averse to celebrating it, although I know that is not true across the board. I live in Texas in the Bible Belt, and there are lots of Christian alternative “Fall Festivals” and “Harvest Celebrations” to challenge the entrenchment of Halloween. But there are just as many who think of this as a kid’s celebration, a fun time to dress up and party for adults, and an excuse to eat candy and stay up late watching scary movies (two activities which I absolutely adore, by the way). Neither conception has anything to do with what we do or believe.

    As I mentioned, this night is the one on which, in our belief system, the separation between the temporal plane and the spiritual plane is the thinnest and most penetrable. So we honor and communicate with our dead, and do rituals to banish the old and negative along with the dying year, and bring in new starts and fresh beginnings. Here is a link to a brief but comprehensive introduction to the major eight Pagan sabbats (festival holidays) which will give you a glimpse inside the meaning and importance of Samhain: http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usor&c=holidays&id=11776

    I have been “out of the broom closet” for almost twenty years. I have taught classes, written articles and given newspaper interviews regarding Paganism in general and Samhain in particular (the media always finds us fascinating at this time of year, and I’m sure I’m a novelty since I’m African American! LOL!). I try to make sure we are represented fairly and accurately in media discussions and portrayals, and show that we respect and honor our faith with as much reverence and commitment as those of other religious traditions, and we are neither devil worshippers (the devil is a Christian concept, and we trace our belief traditions to pre-Christian goddess worship and folk traditions) nor tree-hugging hippies (well, some are, but definitely not all!). Often it’s often an uphill battle. After all, I live in a town that has four of these every year: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hallo_he.htm

  38. summer wrote:

    well, i am going to dress up as wonder woman tomorrow. and i hesitated while at the costume shop as to whether i should buy a black straight hair wig. (i wear my hair in its natural state.)

    then i decided, “f&ck it. why am i overthinking this. i’m wonder woman, damn it. use your friggin imagination.”

    i won’t let other people’s small-mindedness stop me from wearing the costume i want to the party.

  39. Janine deManda wrote:

    This is something of a tangent, but while I understand the problematics of racist stereotypes dressed up as holiday fun, I don’t understand the resistance to gendered costumes.

    My daughter began choosing her own Halloween costumes when she was two. That first year, she was a giraffe. Last year, she was a dragon, a fairy, and Spiderman {for various parties and the actual trick or treating}. This year, she was leaning toward Wordgirl or Superman, but ended up deciding to be a fairy again. She is presently fascinated with princesses, so she’s going to be a fairy princess. We didn’t tell her she couldn’t be Spiderman or Superman ‘cuz she’s a girl, and we didn’t tell her she couldn’t be a fairy or a fairy princess ‘cuz they’re too stereotypically girly and limiting.

    Growing up in the ’70s and ’80s with a ma who chafed against the enforced femininity of the ’50s and ’60s, I got a distinct impression that femininity was bad and should be butched up. After realizing that being anti-sexist and loving sparklies were not mutually exclusive things, I was much relieved. As a parent, I hope to give my child a good foundation in the breadth and depth and fluidity of the gender spectrums. Though I struggle with the evilD*sney princess omnipresence {and have boundaries that include not festooning our house in cross-marketed crap}, I want to make the effort not to squelch the femme joy in my girl. I just don’t see how it’d be much different from squelching the butch joy in her, and I’d rather help her keep as many doors to joy open as I’m able.

    Just my tangential $0.02.

  40. Fatemeh wrote:

    Agreed, agreed, agreed. I love dressing up, but I hate the racist caricatures that abound during Halloween. Bah! Humbug! Or whatever.

  41. BSK wrote:

    Ike-

    You act like people will actually engage a conversation on race relations if people wear offensive costumes. You KNOW you will get dismissed as oversensitive and over-reacting. For shame…

  42. Sobia wrote:

    What about POC going as someone from another culture? ie. Arab dressing up in a sari, or South Asian going as a “China Man”?

    Personally, I have a problem with this as well, but so far most of the comments I’ve seen here address White people’s costumes. To me it seems, that appropriation of another culture on Halloween is offensive all around because of the message that Halloween costumes send.

    Any thoughts?

  43. Kaonashi wrote:

    You see more little kids than adults dressed up as Native Americans, Geishas, traditional India garb or in Irish “Riverdance” costumes and for most little girls and boys I think it comes from a more innocent place. I wanted to be all of the above for Halloween and it wasn’t to make fun, it was because I simply found those women beautiful and something I could relate to. They were MY version of the fairy princess; beautiful and strong women and I wanted some of that glamour to rub off on me, if only for a day. The fact that none of these women looked like me really didn’t matter. So maybe that’s true for other little kids as well?

    My mom gently explained to me as lovely as they were, someone’s native garb shouldn’t be used for Halloween costumes because it was rude and “how do you think they would feel if you wore their native clothes for Halloween? It would be like making fun of them.” Which I agreed with to a certain extent since I didn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but for me it was about more than the clothes.

    Now as an adult, what’s the point of Halloween if you don’t dress up as something scary or non-reality? I’ve always see dead people or “fantasy” costumes (ie: Anime characters fairy tales, Warcraft) and hippies at adult parties more than anything.

    I have to admit that I’ve flinched more than a few times seeing obvious frat boys dressed up like rappers (complete with obnoxious “Hood” accent and shouting) at these stupid “Bros and Hos” parties becasue with them it’s not from a a place of admiratio or wanting to be something you’re not, it’s from a place of mocking. Ugh.

  44. Rob wrote:

    I just dont get it. Why is it so offensive to go a fancy dress party as an exaggerated mexican/ninja/rasta? Its all just good fun isnt it? Maybe its a bit different in the UK but ive been to loads of fancy dress parties as mexican bandit, mostly because its very cheap and easy to do, and it gives you an excuse to talk a bit of pidgin spanish, wear a handlebar moustache and shoot tequila! muy beuno!

    There is no offence intended at all and the use of stereotypes is because at a fancy dress party you can play with your personality and pretend to be something else, just for fun because its a party. How can you go as a bloody m&M? How would you get through the door?

    I dont find the idea of a southern belle or a frat boy in the least troubling and if i saw a PoC at a party dressed as a stereotypical englishman with a bowler hat, briefcase and an umbrella or plucky footballer sweating after losing in a quater final penalty shootout talking in a really bad parody of an english accent, im sure i would laugh heartily and congratulate them on their costume and toast their health.

    Also, all this talk of hallowe’en (note the apostrophe) being an american holiday about costumes and sweets seems to be rather insensitve to the true origins of the festival which dates back thousands of years into traditional european heritage. People in glass houses…!

    Hope you all enjoy your parties this year and sorry for going on a bit but i find it a fascinating subject and wanted to share my thoughts. Happy Hallowe’een!

  45. Witchsistah wrote:

    I wear my Tudor garb on Halloween. I’m usually one of the nobility by my outfit. I don’t worry about folk wondering what that dark-skinned, nappy-headed Black gal is doing in Renaissance gear. Usually, I get big compliments from people on it, especially from little girls of ALL colors.

    Here’s some pics of me in some of my ensembles:

    http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/witchsistah/?action=view&current=S5000912-1.jpg

    http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/witchsistah/?action=view&current=S5000830-1.jpg

    http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/witchsistah/?action=view&current=S5000809-1.jpg

    Oh, and I’m also a neo-Wiccan witch so Samhain is sacred to me as well.

  46. Lauren O wrote:

    Oh man, my (white) sister dressed up as a geisha next year, and did little bowing poses for photos that her friends took. I was wincing the whole time. When she asked me if I liked her costume, I said it made me a little uncomfortable and explained why, but she just brushed it off (this is better than the huge fights that have been started on other similar occasions).

    Although, I should admit: I was Pocahontas for Halloween when I was 8. Luckily, I have actually learned some things since then, and am less of a giant asshole now!

  47. Restructure! wrote:

    The average Halloween costume tells us a lot about what we culturally consider to be abnormal.

    This is great. I couldn’t find the words to express this thought.

    The rest of the post that explains why it’s racist to dress up as a non-white person or culture is spot on, too.

  48. Erica M. wrote:

    Well, there are costumes that are associated with white culture as well (e.g. Viking, Roman, Traditional German dancing dresses, stereotypical French guy, etc.)

  49. Meranda wrote:

    I’m uncomfortable,le with this holiday , for many reasons.
    Im a college student, and the obvious sexism bothers me ( why do girls always play the slutty version of whatever they do), the racism, the religiosity ( this a sin because “holy one” disapprove no it’s sacred because “holy one” create it and it was hijacked by colonialism) bugs me.

    Why it cant just be a holiday focused on scary movies and entertainment? Why cant it be left in childhood, where it belongs. I HATE IT.

  50. Medusa wrote:

    @ Ike:
    OMG YES!!!! 2 months ago (yes, I am that serious about Halloween), I was brainstorming ideas with my friend. I mentioned that one year I went as Peter Pan and he made some sarcastic comment about how no one would have been able to recognize me. I was like “why?” and he was like “you don’t look like the traditional Peter Pan” and I was like….”The Peter Pan costume is pretty recognizable…” He then said “People only know the Disney version of things. You drew the genetic short straw.” Somehow, I guess I’m not suppsoed to go as any character that Disney has done. He went on to name some black characters I could go as. Storm, from X-Men. Mr. T. Seriously. He suggested that I go as Mr. T because Mr. T is black. What the fuck??? Even after I told him “I’m not only going as characters because they’re black, that’s fucking ridiculous” he kept doing it.

    Although, I suppose not all of my white friends are like that.

    As far as finding non-racist costumes, I really don’t think it’s that hard. At all. I didn’t move to North America until I was 12, before that I had had absolutely no experiences with Halloween at all, but I thought it was AWESOME. It became my favorite holiday, and I have done things such as a princess, a chimney sweep, a Wizard of Oz theme with my friends (I was the Tin Man), and this year (althoug I’m not even in the West anymore) I’m going as Wonder Woman. Then of course, there’s all the traditional Halloween ghost and ghoul costumes. There are plenty of costumes you can wear that aren’t in any way racially insensitive.

    I understand clearly how deciding that someone else’s traditional attire is so much of an “other” that you want to wear it as a costume for Halloween, but is it offensive regardless of the motivation? I mean, I once gave a white friend of mine a Kente hat to wear. (I should mention that I’m from Ghana.) Granted, it wasn’t Halloween, but he wore it and that didn’t offend me at all. If he wore it again on Halloween, I still think that would be fine, since I don’t think he thinks of it as a joke, he just thinks of a kente cloth hat that I gave him.

  51. sd wrote:

    On a related note, I’ve always found it scary and disheartening that “afro” wigs are extremely popular as a “costume” unto themselves at halloween. People will wear regular clothing from neck to toe, then pop on an afro wig and consider themselves fully costumed and hilarious. It’s interesting because, by contrast with the geisha costume or the sombrero, these individuals are not just borrowing the clothing or styling of a group or culture, they actually temporarily adopt a physical characteristic of many black people, as a joke.

    In the case of the “geisha outfit,” we should keep in mind that considers that geishas themselves are “in costume,” and their outfits and hairstyles are not worn by ordinary Japanese women. Compare a geisha costume with, say, using makeup to make one’s eyes look Asian. While both are problematic, and certainly some very ignorant individuals likely conflate the geisha outfit with representing all Asian women (and not just geishas), there is something even more sinister about imitating a physical trait as opposed to a cultural style.

    However, while most people today would never draw on Asian eyes or wear blackface, wearing an afro for Halloween seems to be a socially acceptable form of both of these practices… Moreover, in response to the afro, as compared with dressing as a firefighter, a cheerleader, or even a geisha, the appropriate response (from my understanding) is to laugh. White people think that an afro is, itself, a great punchline. But isn’t quite clear who the butt of the joke is meant to be.

  52. NancyP wrote:

    Brittany, Halloween = Hallow’s Evening = the evening before All Saints’ Day (which is the day before All Souls’ Day, so every deceased person is remembered every year). Yes, it was scheduled to Christianize the pagan Samhain. But if you go to any liturgical church (Catholic, Episcopal/Anglican, Orthodox), you will see All Saints’ and All Souls’ Days as holy days.

    I never thought about costumes in that way. I must be somewhat geekly, because as a kid, I dressed as Venus fly-trap, mail-box, various animals (I just wasn’t going to do the girly thing), and as an adult, I would go to parties as a flapper, hippie, literary character, Harvey the rabbit (from the film), science or medicine-based pun, biohazardous material (that was easy - cut head and arm holes in a giant biohazard disposal bag), etc. It didn’t occur to me to do “Indian” or “Mexican” or whatever, it didn’t occur to me that those might be offensive, it only seemed dull to me. I’d rather show up as The Fly (help me, help me!) or the influenza virus.

  53. NancyP wrote:

    Oh yes, I’d like to go as a Valkyrie someday - get the host to cue up yo-oh-ho-o-ah as I enter, and pantomime the ride of the Valkyries (I can’t sing simple musicals, let alone Wagner). Alternative: Erda, the wise goddess, also from the Ring cycle - hey, even my range (true alto). It would be ethnically appropriate, since some of my family heritage is Scandinavian.

  54. Cynthia wrote:

    I just wanted to add that I trick or treated between the ages of 3 and 12 and was some sort of sparkly thing ALMOST EVERY YEAR (except for the year I was 6, when I went as a devil).

    In university, it varied. Usually I was some character from a musical theatre production, though one year I DID go in a cheongsam.

  55. Winn wrote:

    @Witchsistah,

    I’ve been meaning to give you a shoutout in previous posts: I knew we were fellow travelers! You look fantastic in your Tudor garb, by the way! I used to work summers at our local Ren Faire and progressed over the years from kitchen wench to lady-in-waiting to the Queen. Reminds me of the good old days, when I had an…ahem…much smaller waist! LOL! Blessed Be and Happy Samhain!

  56. BlackIvy wrote:

    This is a very interesting post.

    Medusa: When I was little I had a book about a little black girl who auditioned for the role of Peter Pan at school. The boys told her she couldn’t be him because she was a girl. The white kids told her it was because she black. Of course, she turned that ish out!

    At any rate, im going as Michelle Obama. I am happy to have an opportunity to dress up as someone widely admired and respected for her talent and her beauty. And I love that I dont have to be a “black” version of thing. Not black peter pan, black Marylin Monroe (or as I called it, Lisa Turtle’s version from How High), or black “sexy nurse” (cuz sexy nurses are default white). I get to be something that others wish they could be for once. It feels great. And they better not try either. Not just because I think the costume will come off as racist, but because I want to own this one for a while. Shes like me for more reasons than just a costume and no string of oversized pearls is going to make that resemblance salient. :)

    Obama O8!

  57. Atena wrote:

    Halloween as it exists today is a big mashup of a bunch of stuff, and one of the concepts that holds the strongest over the years is the idea of exacerbating otherness. There are a variety of celebrations throughout history that involve taking on roles that are not one’s typical, everyday role (Sorry I can’t reference any - I’m remembering a class I took in undergrad where we studied origins and history American holidays and traditions). Exacerbating otherness on one special day was a way of reinforcing the conformity and sameness of every other day - it was (and to a degree is) a way of drawing communities together.

    So being an “ethnic other” or sexy version of something or really anything that highlights otherness does represent the history of the celebration. Alas, these practices don’t really make sense in a world that has socially evolved a great deal. Since the world has shrunk, people who used to be “others” are now “us.” When we engage in otherizing, it divides us from people who we should be in community with.

    That’s why it’s a good idea to dress up like an M&M. You don’t have to live and work with M&Ms after the party is over, you just eat them.

  58. DivergentDana wrote:

    Medusa: “He suggested that I go as Mr. T because Mr. T is black. What the fuck???”

    So, it was okay to go as a man, but not a white character?

    Rob: “There is no offence intended at all and the use of stereotypes is because at a fancy dress party you can play with your personality and pretend to be something else, just for fun because its a party.”

    Intention isn’t the issue, or else most racist things that children do wouldn’t be racist, because “they don’t know better,” even when they very well may. At a “fancy dress party”, I imagine that stereotypical costumes wouldn’t be as common… it’s usually those $20 costumes in a bag that rely on that kind of thing (like you said, it’s cheap), and casual/informal events that allow it. Let’s be honest, if an adult parades around in blackface, they know it could be offensive to someone — they just don’t care and/or are pretty sure that they won’t be around the people they’re lampooning (let’s face it, like you pretending to be a stereotypical Latino in the UK) — and I think that attitude’s pretty common… in fact, being edgy and anti-PC is probably part of the allure. When supposedly well-meaning people are alerted to others’ concerns about their costume, it usually gets shrugged off. If your idea of “fun” isn’t “fun” for the people you’re imitating, then why do it? It definitely isn’t to pay homage if you don’t care how they recieve it. Furthermore, if someone did indeed intend to cause offense, do you really think they’d cop to it when confronted? Sometimes, “But…. I didn’t really mean anything by it!!!” is the backup plan if everybody isn’t laughing along.

    “How can you go as a bloody m&M? How would you get through the door?”

    Ah, the same way that mascots do… the M&M costume would be made of soft, pliable foam or like this…

    http://www.anniescostumes.com/ru11823.jpg

  59. Marge Twain wrote:

    I’m confused. There are so many not- racist costumes! I tend to go for scary, home-improvised stuff, but I’ve lent Indian clothes to my white friends, and they don’t treat it as a joke, they act like it’s incredibly glamorous. My brother went as a white guy one year: Abercrombie clothes borrowed from a friend, light foundation makeup and blond spray-on hair color. This year I thought of making fun of the slutty___ trend for women and being slutty Hester Prynne(with the “A” on the back of my shorts, of course) It never occurred to me that a white character would be off-limits.

  60. Rebecca wrote:

    When I was little I dressed as an “indian maiden.” I’m glad that as I’ve gotten older and had access to new information, such as this site and others, that I now know that these costumes are offensive, and why they are offensive. So thanks for blogging about this stuff, it is a big help to those of us who are coming to terms with our own white privelege and assumptions.
    I like Halloween, I have great memories of it as a kid. I think there’s nothing wrong with still dressing up as an adult. It’s something fun to look forward to.
    Now I stick to dressing as celebrities mostly…this time it’s Alice Cooper!!!

    Witchsistah, your costumes are incredible.

  61. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Has any POC ever put white makeup on and gone trick or treating as a Caucasian? To me that would be an interesting Halloween costume. With accessories from “Stuff White People Like,” one could make quite a statement.

  62. Cynthia wrote:

    BlackIvy,

    Since you’re going to be Michelle Obama, are you going to wear H&M or J.Crew?

  63. TierList E wrote:

    @Rob Schmidt

    *cough* I had, with a good friend of mine. My freshman year of college. I didn’t do whiteface or anything, just the attire and a curly blond wig (with a fitted cap!).

    It had a more positive influence with the other PoC I’ve ran into, but there wasn’t really any overtly negative responses from the many white people that where around, with one exception: we overheard a girl curiously ask a guy friend if he liked the costume and he said no in a bit peeved manner.

  64. piKe krpan wrote:

    Hallowe’en has often been an emancipatory day for queers in North America because drag and other expressions of difference, especially around gender identity, are suddenly less visible as difference on that day. Hence a particular kind of passing becomes possible for them, but I suppose that only happens for white queer people. And the question of whether passing is emancipatory is a good question to ask…

  65. A.D. Nix wrote:

    Halloween is, indeed, a scary scary night. TWICE in NYC I’ve been confronted by someone basically in black face (one with cornrows and a gold tooth) excusing it, to my black face, as a “cheap and easy” “costume.”

    Cheap and easy, indeed.

    THERE ARE SO MANY OPTIONS. Pretending that you just fell into a costume or couldn’t think of anything else is a bullshit cop-out. If you decide to be the ‘hood’ version of something, for example, (as my roommate revealed last night while describing her Little Red Riding in the Hood costume) don’t make believe you intended it to be harmless fun. You intended it to be fun and mocking and didn’t care about the possible harm to the people being mocked. Because fuck um - I’m having fun!

    I’m going to be Slash this year (I want to be Slash everyday but it’s only acceptable to give into this 1 day a year). I am prepared for the ‘Black Slash???’ comments - I’m going to a party where at least a few assholes are likely to be in attendance (I expect to find at least one afro wig and at least two gold teeth). I am also prepared to inform that Slash’s mother was a black woman from the States just like me. So eat me, Halloween ruiners.

  66. spork wrote:

    Race is the reason I am staying in for Halloween this year. I was invited to a Party that is being held by friends of a friend. As the party date neared - the hosts were increasingly concerned with who my friends were inviting to their party (ie “Y’all aren’t inviting a bunch of black people, right?)

    Oh well. Waiting for trick-or-treaters and watching old slasher flix it is.

  67. Niki wrote:

    I’m not really a fan of Halloween for grown-ups–it simply becomes another excuse to get wasted and act crazy like many Mardi Gras or St. Patrick’s Day celebrations in US cities. But there are lots of costumes out there that don’t trade on racial stereotypes. I think that if a person has to rely on that, they are not creative at best and racist at worst.

    Some great costumes I saw recently were: a group of friends dressed up as characters from The Muppet Show (Fozzy Bear, Miss Piggy, Animal, etc); lots of Sarah Palin and Amy Winehouse; “The Joker”, a martini, and Pebble Flintstone.

    Today I am at a workplace costume party. I am a black woman and I came as a 70s disco diva (platforms, giant afro , glittery eyelashes and outfit). I actually feel pretty fabulous in my ensemble!

  68. R wrote:

    I am British so dressing up is not as intrinsic to Halloween as in the US and only generally done by adults when at parties. I’ve never dressed up apart from playing as a child and feel a little like I’ve missed out.
    Anyhow, I was wondering about cultural dress and whether it is always offensive. When I worked in a nursery there was a young white boy (toddler) who loved saris, would it have been wrong for him to wear a sari on halloween? He would be dressing in an outfit that he loved and thought was beautiful, something his friends’ mums may have worn but that was out of bounds to him the rest of the year. I can see the problem with adults wearing such outfits but for children any adult outfit is dressing as something “other” and gendered clothes especially could be liberating.
    Like I said, I don’t have much experience of people dressing up except for the children as fairies or monsters who’ll come to my door today. It may be that I have an altogether different understanding of dressing up. Also we call it fancy dress in the UK which is more confusing as there are different implications present.

  69. Brittany wrote:

    @ BlackIvy…
    Book was called “Amazing Grace”. The girl had a beautiful imagination.

    @ everyone who answered my question on samhain
    Thank you! Me, I’m a protestant denom so I don’t even do All Saint’s Day.

    And Disney really doesn’t cater to an idea of Black princesses… that Tinkerbell movie has 1 black fairy I believe. But that is ok. There is a series of fairy tales redone with Black characters by Fred Crump, Jr. As a child I appreciated those books in combination with others that my mom (a librarian) introduced me to.

  70. A.D. NIx wrote:

    @ spork: Oh, man. I’ve been there and that sucks. on the one had, I’m like “Go and crush them with your awesomeness and let that be a lesson.” on the other - who wants to be at a party where people are hesitant about your very freaking presence. I hate to see dumbass moves and motives ruin your good time. But that probably would not have been a good time anyway.

  71. thesciencegirl wrote:

    When I walked into work this morning, the first costume I saw was a (white) coworker in African garb and a Jamaican hat with fake dreads. I’m tempted to ask her, “what are you supposed to be, black?!” ugh.

  72. Janine deManda wrote:

    piKe krpan wrote:
    “but I suppose that only happens for white queer people. And the question of whether passing is emancipatory is a good question to ask…”

    Why would that only happen for white queer people? Why wouldn’t genderqueers of color have historically experienced a similar sense of freedom from gender constraints on Halloween? I’m just not following that part.

    As to an interrogation of passing, this is one of my favorite quotes on the subject:

    “In order to feel safe I need to feel known . . . Is visibility safety? Complex questions. Uncomfortable, uneasy answers, stirring up old hurts, old angers, old fears . . . Why is the possibility of ‘passing’ so insistently viewed as a great privilege . . ., and not understood as a terrible degradation and denial?” – Evelyn Torton Beck, Nice Jewish Girls

  73. Kaonashi wrote:

    If you decide to be the ‘hood’ version of something, for example, (as my roommate revealed last night while describing her Little Red Riding in the Hood costume) don’t make believe you intended it to be harmless fun. You intended it to be fun and mocking and didn’t care about the possible harm to the people being mocked. Because fuck um - I’m having fun!

    Exactly.

    Another interesting thing I’ve noticed is while the “stereotype” costumes are met with “O WOW BRO, AWESOME COSTUME” someone dressed up as say…Colin Powell, Rihanna, Frida Kahlo, Michelle Obama, Bruce Lee etc is met with a blank stare and a “Why on earth would you pick THAT for a Halloween costume? You’re WHITE.” So apparently it’s okay to dress up as a stereotype but any sort of costume that shows a positive image is “wrong.” Has anyone else noticed this?

    Witchsistah: Awesome costumes! And a Happy Samhain to you.

  74. Obama for Hallowe'en wrote:

    I took back Hallowe’en like this:
    http://pageslap.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/how-to-be-barack-obama-for-halloween/

  75. alwaysanswerb wrote:

    I’ve always looked at costumes as simply a way to dress up as something that you’re not, and I’ve never dressed up as anything with any intention of portraying something as abnormal in a heteronormative sense. Perhaps it was abnormal for me, as I’m not a slutty pirate or the Tin Man, but I never went into dressing up with the perspective that I was poking fun at what I was wearing. It was just something to wear that I wouldn’t usually wear.

    Granted, I haven’t dressed up as anything that has a racial connotation; however, if I wanted to dress up as a geisha, for instance, I would do so because I am personally fascinated by that aspect of Japanese history and culture and I like the idea of wearing a pretty kimono. I wouldn’t wear a geisha girl outfit and call myself Japanese or Asian, because I know that would be incorrect. I can understand if it’s slightly different than just putting on a rasta or afro wig and just being something racial, but I always looked at the geisha costume as being in the same vein of “professional” costumes, i.e. wearing scrubs and being a doctor, or being a firefighter. Some women in Japan were geishas - that was their profession (for lack of a better comparative term, as some girls were forced into it etc, but bear with me please.) I don’t know - I just don’t feel like the geisha costume in particular can really be grouped in the same category as the sombrero and handlebar-mustache variety of costume. If I saw a Japenese (or even Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese/etc.) woman wearing a geisha outfit, I wouldn’t think “Boo… she’s dressing as herself. How boring.” I’d think she was dressing as a geisha, or, someone happened to be Japenese but that wasn’t the whole point of the costume. Do you see what I’m saying?

  76. Medusa wrote:

    Hey all! great thread. I just want to say I went out for Halloween yesterday (I’m in China so a half day ahead of most of you). I did not get a single “Black Wonder Woman” comment. Just “Wonder Woman, will you take a picture with me?” It was awesome! Hope those of you going out have just as good of a time.

  77. Rob wrote:

    Reading more of the comments it seems as if many people posting here really seem to think that by dressing up in a costume a white person is secretly mocking the original invenor of the costume. I simply dont think that is the case, again maybe it is a difference between europe and america. Ihave dressed up as a mexican bandit many times not to mock but because its just a fun costume you can make at home. Same with a pirate costume. I once made a brilliant optimus prime suit out of a load of cardboard boxes. In thhe same way i meant no offence to the supreme leader of the autobots equally i never thought being a mexican bandit (from the days of the wild west) could have any impact on a modern day mexican.

    Also Divergent Dana, you say that intention is irrelevant in whether an act is racist or not. If there is no offence intended or concieved of by the wearer of a costume how can they have commited a racist act. Surely the racism/prejudice would lie in the eyes of the offended person as it is they who is guilty of thinking first and formost about race nationality and ‘otherness’ and also judging the intentions of others without even checking what id really meant.

    On a bit of a tangent I have some friends who are a indian female and a white man. They once went to a fancy dress party with him in his mother in laws sari, lloads of gold bangles and a big red dot on his head. She went as what we call a chav (a derogatory word for underclass type of poor white personin the uk, sportswear, gold chains and chunky sovereign rings) There was happy photos taken with her family before the party and everyone including the girls old indian grandma thought the outfits were great.

    Has any body done anything wrong with this? I cant see it. But what if a third person, seeing them on the way to the party was offended should that mean my friends were wrong to dress up like this?

  78. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    @76
    I’ll let someone who hasn’t got exams to study for address this part of your comment:

    Surely the racism/prejudice would lie in the eyes of the offended person as it is they who is guilty of thinking first and formost about race nationality and ‘otherness’ and also judging the intentions of others without even checking what id really meant.

    seems like a classic case of this to me but perhaps that’s not how you meant it at all.

    My question is why did your costume have to be a Mexican bandit? Why not just a bandit? There were plenty of non-Mexican bandits in Wild West films and I bet it would’ve been an even cheaper, easier costume if you hadn’t needed to add the “Mexican” accessories…

  79. BlackIvy wrote:

    @ Cynthia:

    Since JCrew is pretty much my every day norm I bought an orang vintage shift dress from the costume store that I rocked with white pearls and perfectly flipped hair.

    Also, don’t for get my YES WE CAN button and American Flag :)

    What do people think about this: A guy at the party (who was black/biracial) went as “fox” Barack Obama with a “towel” around his head and a brief case which said “white peoples money.” It was hilarious to me because I knew he was liberal and was lampooning Faux News. However, it did give me pause to think about how others might be interpreting it. . .

  80. Lyonside wrote:

    >Ihave dressed up as a mexican bandit many times not to mock but because its just a fun costume you can make at home. Same with a pirate costume.

    Here is the difference: for many mainstream (i.e. white, and some black/Asians as well) Americans, their images of “Mexicans” are exclusively 1) poor illegal migrant workers w/ horrible accents, 2) mariachi singers, 3) lazy bandits/”si senor” ne’er do wells on siesta. Calling yourself a Mexican bandit is problematic if you call yourself only “Mexican.” But in the wrong company, it feeds stereotypes, no matter what your intention. Even if you don’t mean to cause offense, it is STILL OFFENSIVE. Because the images of Mexicans in our nation remains negative, politicized, and racist.

    >I once made a brilliant optimus prime suit out of a load of cardboard boxes.

    Transformers are fiction. The people of Mexico are NOT. You’re comparing the 2 as if they are the same. Do you really need someone to tell you this? I sense trollbait.

    >could have any impact on a modern day mexican.

    Then you have not been privy to the last 3-4 years of the “immigration debate” in which brown people are always talked about in the 3rd person and as if they are exclusively the cause and problem.

    >If there is no offence intended or concieved of by the wearer of a costume how can they have commited a racist act.

    Because we live in a racist society and a racist world. Noone is immune, and being anti-racist means not feeding into the stereotypes, even when unintended.

    >Surely the racism/prejudice would lie in the eyes of the offended person

    Ah, I see, this is the equivalent of saying, “You’re racist for pointing out racism!” I think that’s I-5 on my Bingo card.

    >On a bit of a tangent I have some friends who are a indian female and a white man. They once went to a fancy dress party with him in his mother in laws sari, lloads of gold bangles and a big red dot on his head.

    “But my best friends are…” And that would be B-2 on my card. Dammit. I’m almost full.

    >Has any body done anything wrong with this? I cant see it.

    Of course you can’t. You’re speaking from a position of privilege.

    And… we have Racism Bingo! What do I win, Dale?

  81. srah wrote:

    I wore a Chinese qipao to work on Friday, and I wore an Austrian dirndl to work on Halloween last year. I work in a university international education office, so wearing traditional dress from around the world is a way to “dress up” for Halloween in a way that’s related to my work and doesn’t involve trying to advise students while wearing a horse costume or a space helmet or something.

    I never tried to pretend I was dressing up “as Chinese” or “as Austrian”, exaggerated the dress or did anything different with my hair or makeup. I think it’s an opportunity to wear a style of clothing that would be harder to pull off at other times of the year.

  82. Sobia wrote:

    @Lyonside:

    Well done! Rob’s comments totally rubbed me the wrong way. Clueless comments at best, racist ones at the worst.

  83. atlasien wrote:

    “however, if I wanted to dress up as a geisha, for instance, I would do so because I am personally fascinated by that aspect of Japanese history and culture and I like the idea of wearing a pretty kimono.”

    When I hear that statement, I mentally translate it into: “I’m obsessed with Japanese whores, so I deserve a special exception to dress like them.”

    I’m not trying to attack you, personally. Just that common line of thought you’ve expressed. I’m a Japanese-American woman sick to death of geisha worship, and I find the easiest way to make my point is to strip away some of the pretty language and pretentiousness involved in that cult.

  84. Rob wrote:

    Hang on a minute,whats all this? Im feeling a bit ganged up on here. I have read this blog for some time now and only wanted to share my view. All this bingo card stuff seems a bit unfair.

    For a start im in the uk and the politics are a bit different. Here a mexican bandit (especially a period one) is just as fictional a character as optimus prime. However having read this blog now and understanding american sensibilities if i were to go to a fancy dress partyin the us i would opt for my trusty pirate costume everytime as i certainly wont go out of my way to offend anyone.

    The point is that here in the uk, even in the famously multicultural london there are very few mexicans and the ones i have run into are certainly not wild west bandit types. Therefore when i went out dressed in the bandit costume there was no possibility of upsetting anyone else and my intentions were in no way derogatory to anyone. I genuinely cant see that i have comitted a racist act. I havent.

    Nowif i may address your concerns.

    EvilAngel77. Ilooked at ‘this’ and i can assure you i am not so calculating. And you ask why a mexican bandit? As i said, in the uk a mexican bandit is as fictional a character as any and the costume consists os a bathtowel with a slit cut in it to make a poncho, toy gun, burned cork for the moustache and maybe a sombrero, but these are hard to come by in england so maybe one of someones grandmas sun hats and a small potted cactus to top it off. Basically free and the cactus makes it very funny, a great ice breaker!

    Lyonside78. I see your points but im afraid i disagree with much of your logic. Of couse we live in a racist world but as a poster above pointed out in the case of children, people will always find some reason to hate on each other. I hope that despite all the prejudice and instictive racism that seems to be such a part of the human condition, we can all overcome our fears and prejudices and just enjoy the world together. And i think an easy acceptance of each other is a far happier course to plot than ever deeper introspection and examination of the small wounds of everyday life.

    Well enough for now, its 3am nearly here and im off to bed. I certainly hope to continue the debate later as it is very interesting indeed.

    Hope you all enjoyed your halloweens!

  85. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    A question for the other Rob who isn’t me:

    Suppose you went trick or treating as a Ku Klux Klan member with a cone-shaped sheet over your head and a noose in your hand. Suppose you put black shoe polish on your face, wore old ripped clothes and metal bracelets, and went as a slave. Suppose you went with the black shoe polish and a few gold necklaces, said “Nigga this” and “Ho that,” and called yourself a rapper.

    These costumes would be easy to make, which seems to be one of your criteria. Suppose you checked deep in your heart and found you weren’t trying to insult or offend anyone with these costumes. In other words, you had no “intent” to hurt anyone. Perhaps you thought you were satirizing the people you were portraying. Perhaps you thought the costumes were simply “fun.”

    Tell us how you’d defend these costumes, Rob. Or tell us how they’re different from your “Mexican bandito” costume. I look forward to your answer.

    P.S. Racialicious has covered several college parties where scenarios such as this actually happened. For a couple of examples, see

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/03/party-proves-und-prejudice.html

    http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/03/more-racism-in-north-dakota.html

  86. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Questions for everyone else:

    1) Suppose a white person bought an Obama mask at a store and went trick or treating as Obama.

    2) Suppose the white person couldn’t find an Obama mask at the store but found a generic “black man” mask. Suppose he wore that and called himself Obama.

    3) Suppose the white person couldn’t find any black masks at the store, so he put on black shoe polish and called himself Obama.

    Suppose this person’s “Obama costume” was respectful in all other respects. He wore a suit and tie, emulated Obama’s professorial speech, etc. Kind of like Fred Armisen does on “Saturday Night Live.”

    Which of these costumes would be offensive, and why?

  87. diana wrote:

    The interesting thing is that, even though I see all these stereotyped costumes online, I hardly ever saw any of my peers in such a costume. And this year, I didn’t see it, either, in the kids that stopped at our house.

    I’m also glad you raised the point about your hair stylist who went as a “dead” geisha. My sister went as a geisha one year, and for some reason it bothered me. We’re not Japanese, but that’s not what bothered me. At her wedding, she also wore a black, sleek “Chinese” dress for the reception.

    I think part of what bothered me about both situations are that she plays into the stereotype. I’ve always pulled away from it, and I NEVER wanted to be this novelty. It even bugs me when I see Asian characters as tattoos on ANYone. (And of course, my sister also has Chinese characters tattooed on her body…)

  88. Lin wrote:

    Lots to ponder here from everyone - thanks.

    But doesn’t anyone else also find it odd that adults have taken over and perverted what used to be a rather pleasant little children’s holiday? I think that’s also where a lot of the cultural wierdness comes from. Maybe that’s why all the repressed prejudice has flowered here.

  89. Lin wrote:

    Sorry, didn’t mean prejudice has flowered “here” on this site, but at Halloween. Too fast on the post button.

  90. Safiya Outlines wrote:

    One thing to point out about Rob’s comment (though I agree with Lyonside’s bingo score), as he pointed out, he’s from the U.K, where the whole perception of Mexico* vis a vis the immigration debate does not exist to the same extent that it does in the U.S.

    For that reason Rob may not be aware
    of the problems associated with a Mexican costume.

    *This does not mean that the U.K does not have an immigration debate of it’s own, with particular ethnic groups getting a very raw deal.

  91. Alston wrote:

    Just an FYI: In Montreal this year, one of the more popular costumes was “black man”. Nothing particularly positive about these depictions, just stereotypical blackface.

    I think that next year, I will be “white guy”. In fact, I would love to get some really amazing makeup and be white for a few days beforehand, just to see what it’s like.

  92. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    @Rob *#83
    Thanks for actually checking out that link - I didn’t mean to accuse you of deliberately trying to suppress the discussion here but some of your post was strikingly similar to some of the ‘tactics’ highlighted there and I think that is why people have been challenging it. It’s quite understandable that in the UK, there are different cultural nuances and certain things that would be stereotypical here don’t register as offensive stereotypes there but it is important that we at least try to understand why people might take offense and acknowledge (and/or apologize) accordingly.

    As for your costume, I think that at least in the States, if you’d put together your ensemble and showed up at a costume party and when people asked about your costume you said, “I’m [Actor] in [Wild West film] - did you guess?”, that’d cause a lot less cringing than “I’m a Mexican bandito”. Others, what do you think?

    @atlasien, your take on geisha as Halloween costume has got me thinking - I have a lot of kimonos and yukatas that I brought back from Japan and if someone asked to borrow one for a geisha costume, I’d be appalled but if someone asked to borrow one so that they could dress up as a tea master, I’d think that was a really clever idea. I wouldn’t be offended if a person wore a maroon sari and when asked, explained, “Oh, I’m Chandramukhi from [the Bollywood movie] ‘Devdas’” but I would have a problem with someone who slapped on a sari and that was it. I wouldn’t have a problem with a white guy (or any guy) who dressed up in a suit and tie, darkened his complexion with brown foundation to approximate Obama’s and imitated his speech patterns as a costume but I would have a HUGE problem if they did all that but instead of brown foundation, they used black shoe polish.

    I know dressing up on Halloween is supposed to be about fun and laughs but I don’t think it’s too much to expect people to actually think before they choose a costume.If you choose a costume intended to make people laugh, why do you think it’s funny? If it’s because it plays on certain stereotypes, don’t wear it. If you choose a costume intended to imitate a person, get a picture of what it is you’re trying to look like and make your costume look like that. When in doubt, dress up as an M&M.

  93. Rob wrote:

    Sorry if anyones getting rubbed the wrong way but its just an interesting topic and there seems to be quite a wide range of opinions on the subject.

    To answer rob schmidt, I would never go as any of the characters you suggest as, obviously, a KKK member with a noose or a blacking up with boot polish to be a slave would be entirely tasteless. Im sure there would be many, many people in the uk who would be upset at either of those costumes. So i shant defend them at all.

    The rapper character you suggest is, i think, slightly different as rappers are real people, sometimes white, a proffession maybe, and i think that the flamboyant, over-macho public styles they sometimes adopt are ripe for lampooning. However the language you suggest i may use i would find offensive if i heard them being used by someone in the manner described, whether the person was black or white. I never refer to people in those terms.

    Putting on black face has been socially unacceptable in the uk for as long as i can remember so i would also not do this. As i stated above, I do not go out of my way to upset others.

    I hope this satisfies.

    Also Safieh89. I am quite well aware of the situation viz. the mexicans in the usa and hope the situation can be resolved to the benefit of all concerned. I mentioned above that if in the usa i would not wear this outfit.

    My angle however, was the question as to whether my actions could be seen as being racist when they took place far away in a totally seperate political climate where there was zero offence intended and nobody around to take offence?

    Personally, i cant see it.

    Clueless or racist, sobia?
    I certainly dont regard myself as clueless or racist, i have travelled widely and lived and worked in several countries. Doing alot of manual labour and other jobs typical of immigrant workers i have met and made friends with people from all over the world. In all of this time i have seen virtually no problems between this myriad collection of foreigners. There is a lot of good humour and empathy between people, united, maybe a little, by crap jobs and hard work. There was alot of live and let live. Of couse there are always a couple of idiots every now and then but the good far outweigh the bad.

    I think sometimes that assuming the worst in other peoples intentions will often lead to a misplaced sense of injustice that ultimately benefits no-one. A jokey costume for a party should really be given the benefit of the doubt unless it really is blatantly done to offend.

    Lyonside, dont know if you got anymore bingo squares out of that, i hope not. Please understand im simply offering a different viewpoint. I think we probably share many of the same goals for the world but disagree on the best methods to acheive them. Maybe we can learn a little from each other, or at least enjoy the conversation.

    Cordially yours, rob.

  94. diana wrote:

    I DO think you’re correct that adults have taken over and perverted this children’s holiday…

    As Jim Gaffigan has said “…women use it as an excuse to dress like prostitutes” which is actually pretty funny and true… I haven’t dressed up since college, and even then I was your garden variety zombie or witch. But most female costumes are “sexy” witch or nurse or something..

  95. Kaonashi wrote:

    Driving around Friday night I didn’t see any racially insensitive costumes but I saw a SHITLOAD of Reno 911 knockoffs, slutty insects (ladybugs, butterflies, bees, take your pick), Sarah Palins and golddiggers.

  96. L. wrote:

    Rob, my apologies in advance for this long, muddled, and admittedly knit-picky response:

    “I think sometimes that assuming the worst in other peoples intentions will often lead to a misplaced sense of injustice that ultimately benefits no-one. A jokey costume for a party should really be given the benefit of the doubt unless it really is blatantly done to offend.”

    AND

    “And i think an easy acceptance of each other is a far happier course to plot than ever deeper introspection and examination of the small wounds of everyday life.”

    What may be a joke to you may be something that degrades me, my culture, and my heritage; so, why should I take that lightly, put a smile on my face, and continue on as if nothing is wrong? Furthermore, how can I feel as if you truly accept me if what you perceive to be a joke is inherently offensive to me, and your solution is for me to wave it off and give you the benefit of the doubt? And for whom is it a small wound, the offending or the offended?

    Rob, this type of thinking is kind of counter-productive in dismantling systems of oppression.

    It seems that you’re equating being offended and voicing that frustration with assuming the worst in the intent of others, and I’m sure you know there is a stark difference.

    A big part of anti-oppression work is to call out acts of oppression, why and how they oppress, and to make sure that the offending party is held accountable for the act. That’s not to say that one has to be maligned and vilified, but their actions must be explicitly made known to them in how it serves to offend and oppress, and they should therefore take the appropriate actions that will lead to the type of acceptance you spoke of in the second quote. If someone is offended by a “jokey costume”, they should have the right to say so as well as why it is offensive. And calling out that act doesn’t necessarily mean calling out that person as a racist/sexist/what-have-you (see Ill Doctrine’s “How to Tell People They Sound Racist: http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/07/how_to_tell_people_they_sound.html).

    What I’m getting at here is that I take issue with your solutions. What you said in the first quote is nothing more than calling for voices to be silenced unless it is something that YOU can see as oppressive. We must get past our privileges to allow for progress. Secondly, it is quite unfair and most ineffective to blindly “accept” people without examining any issues that you may have with aspects of their being (ex.-“Larry’s gay, but other than that he’s cool.” Needless to say, that’s not really acceptance at all.) It leads to continually offending/oppressing them and subsequently denying it because you fail to examine your behaviors and attitudes and their effects. Also, if you aren’t called out on your ignorance, or if you are and you refuse to examine it, that just breeds more ignorance. Sort of like when that one little white boy’s father taught him the nigger joke and he came to school and told it to two black kids (me and a friend) back in the sixth grade.

    While I agree that we shouldn’t spend our days and nights mulling over life’s every pitfall, we also shouldn’t let these so called “small wounds” go completely unexamined. I can’t really say what is worst, a series of “small wounds” or one large one; both can be fatal. Self-examination is just as important to the progression of society as the larger examination of society itself. Without it, we become stagnant and unable to achieve this currently elusive, fair and humane world we desire because none of us are personally there yet. And if all we do is pay lip-service to a better world and equality for all while offending those with whom we seek unity; calling our offenses harmless; confronting criticism with “Hey, it’s just a joke, you need to get over it and get a sense of humor!” and “I’m not a racist, so whatever I’m doing isn’t racist.”; and not stopping to question why people are offended and trying to better understand where they are coming from, then maybe it’s best if we all sit this revolution out.
    ————————————————————

    “My angle however, was the question as to whether my actions could be seen as being racist when they took place far away in a totally seperate political climate where there was zero offence intended and nobody around to take offence?”

    Offense is subjective, othering is not. This seems to be more of an issue of “Is it okay for me to do it as long as I don’t get caught?” All it took for the Spanish Olympic basketball team to be regarded as racist was for Asians outside of China to be able to see the photo on the internet.
    ———————————————————-

    And on a final note:

    Arguably the most well-known bandit in US history is Jesse James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_James). Any indigenous ancestry is currently unknown.

    And if going by the definition of a bandit as an outlaw (not just a thief), then Jack the Ripper is probably one of the most infamous. And all it takes for him is a cape, an old-style hat, and a knife. Sounds cheap and easy to me.

  97. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Rob,

    KKK members and slaves are as real as rappers and more real than your stereotypical Mexican bandito. Unlike American Indians, which form an ethnic group, all of these are professions (or at least temporary identities that don’t define the person).

    As for the costumes’ lack of taste or acceptability, “Surely that would lie in the eyes of the offended person as it is they who is guilty of thinking first and foremost about race nationality and ‘otherness’ and also judging the intentions of others without even checking what is really meant.”

    According to your logic, the problem isn’t that these costumes are inherently offensive. It’s that some people are overly sensitive to imagined slights. These people have incorrectly assumed that the costume wearers were sending a racist message. In short, they invented an offense where no intent to offend existed.

    So far you haven’t said anything that distinguishes your offensive bandito costume from these other offensive costumes. Try again?

  98. Rob wrote:

    Blimey, its difficult to write a short and snappy reply but here goes!

    Dear Rob, KKK members im sure are real but I dont think that there are anymore slaves being brought to the usa in shackles on sailing boats (not to say there is no human traffiking just that the type of slave you gave as an example no longer exists in the us.

    Obviously both costumes are likely to upset someone so to wear them would not be in the spirit of any party i might attend.

    As EvilAngelfish pointed out using foundation to get a darker skin tone to be obama for the night would not be offensive to her(?) whereas boot polish is over the top.

    The difference between these being offensive and my mexican bandito costume is that, in the country i wore it in, a mexican bandito in a tea-towel poncho with a fake moustache and a cactus, bear no relation to the real mexico or mexicans. A KKK member with a noose is really just in bad taste and i cant imagine any of my friends or acquantainces that would enjoy to play the character. A blacked up slave, although a historical figure, would also be a politically unwise choice of costume. Again its not something i can see anybody i know doing. And besides which, if you leaned up against the wall or sat on the couch covered in boot polish, you would rapidly become more unpopular than when you arrived.

    The rapper is fair game, i think, but the language you suggested, as i said previously, is personally offensive to me and i would not enjoy the company of persons who insisted in behaving in that way,even if their intentions as you put it, were pure of heart.

    rob schmidt, i think you misunderstand my position. I DO think the kkk oufit and the slave are inherently offensive. But that is a shared cultural norm between or countries. Possibly if the costumes were worn in say 100 years in the future when all these arguments are hopefully long redundant, or a small imaginary village by people with no concept of the politics and they were just being a bogey man in a white dress or a character they had dimly heard about fromthe history of africa, it would not be racist in my book. Setting is everthing.

    L. I get to you in a bit :)
    Anyway, guests arrive! I got to get to entertaining. I get back soon. Hope no-one is too bored!

  99. Wren wrote:

    thank you L. ! and all the people that shared there stories-hopefully people will reading will think before they put people in small cramped white washed boxes full of spiky stereotypes, and labels that are miss fitting…

    Rob- no excuse. just because there aren’t that many people to immediately get offended or just because its socially excepted does not make it NOT racist.

    I cannot wait for the day when it is normal to stand up against anything discriminatory or stereo typical even when it is not your race.

    I am offended when I see someone objectifying women, any race, or any particular cultural stereo type no matter if I belong to the group or not.

    its easy for white people who are ignorant to laugh about it because they (including myself) are not oppressively labeled and stereotyped because of their skin color but it is not funny, and I hope that one day more white people will be more sensitive and put their selves in someone elses shoes, with history and the system in mind.

    wrenagade.blogspot.com

  100. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Rob, your “Mexican bandito in a tea-towel poncho with a fake moustache and a cactus” bears no relation to the real Mexico or Mexicans, period. A KKK member or a slave is more real, historically speaking.

    Before you said the problem was people “judging the intentions of others without even checking what is really meant.” Now you seem to be admitting that people who know Latinos might legitimately be offended by your stereotypical Mexican costume.

    Your “new and improved” defense seems to be that since there are no Mexicans in England, there’s no one for you to offend. Therefore, your costume is still the harmless fun you’ve made it out to be.

    A couple of problems with your premise:

    1) You don’t need to be a Latino or live near Latinos to be offended by Latino stereotypes. Only a thoughtless, uncaring person isn’t bothered by stereotypes wherever they occur.

    2) You can’t identify every minority by looking at them or checking their last names. Who’s to say some of the people at your British party weren’t Latinos? If not them, perhaps their friends or relatives in the US. Who’s to say you weren’t offending people unknowingly?

    As far as I can tell, your basic position boils down to ignorance of the existence and harm of Mexican stereotypes. As long as you and your friends live in a bubble where you don’t interact with Latinos, you feel it’s okay to stereotype them. Does this sum up your position accurately?

  101. rob wrote:

    Hello again, rob!

    Wren99.no excuse. “just because there aren’t that many people to immediately get offended or just because its socially excepted does not make it NOT racist.” Quite, and on a white power enthusiast, in a kkk outfit, to a nazi punk concert no one ould be offended and it would be socially acceptable. It would still be racist because it was done with racist intent first and foremost in the mind.

    My costume which i described was worn with no racist intent. It was nothing but good fun at heart and anybody at the party who may have been offended would after a minute in my company been put at ease by my jovial nature and companionable spirit.

    I just cant agree that my act was racist. I take racism to mean the active dislike and hatred of another people, manifested in anything from rude behaviour and exclusion to the worst violence.

    Now i know you will say ‘a-ha! gotcha! Your mexican costume WAS rude, we are offended by your having worn it, but my point stands that where i was it was not offensive by local standards and no offence was intended. But without the racist intent it is not racist. I know you disagree!

    It is all about perception and perceptions can be misleading.

    Rob! En garde!
    You say only a thoughtless and uncaring person isnt bothered by stereotypes where ever they occour. But they occour everywhere! All the time! Constantly! About everyone! Stereotypes about me abound, Male(cant cook, bad at housework, straight).English(football hooligan, lager lout, evil criminal mastermind)Hippy(dope smoker, lazy, doesnt wash)Window cleaner(stupid, unafraid of heights)and many more. Now not all of the above apply to me but some do. And if i see these stereotypes i am not particulary offended. The point is that when you say we should be on the lookout for stereotypes all the time, there are so many everywhere it would be an impossibe task.

    When there is malice aforethought and things are done intentionally to hurt and upset people i think it is quite correct to be offended and to try to do something about it. But to always be on the lookout for such things will become exhausting and the time could be more positively.

    As for people getting offended on behalf of people who might be a continent away, its impossible not to upset anyone with anything. Hindus dont like that we eat beef, we dont like that the chinese eat dogs and cats or that the japanese enjoy whale.

    Live and let live, enjoy yourself and save the energy for the people that really deserve it.

    Anyway stop reading this and go and vote!

  102. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Rob/Rob -

    And with that, we’re done. You’ve both made your points, time to move on.

  103. Rob wrote:

    yes ma’am! ;)

  104. julijeong wrote:

    This is so great. In planning my Halloween costume this year, it suddenly hit me, I’m sick of dressing up as white people.
    But who are recognizable Asian icons? Always one to play with gender, I wanted to go in drag. I concluded that my options were Bruce Lee, Sulu and Harold. I was short on time at that point, although I did try to recruit an Indian friend of mine to go as Kumar with me.
    Anyway, thanks for posting this. It is definitely something that’s been in my mind this Halloween season.

  105. brownstocking wrote:

    @ #8: so what are the adults’ excuses? I went downtown on Halloween, and it was pretty much all adult revelers in various racist (not all, of course) costumes. The POC in “ethnic” costumes bugged me out, only because I almost went there once. I, too, like #11, have a beautiful sari, and just wanted to wear it. But I asked a friend about it, got checked, and didn’t make as big an ass out of myself. Who checks these people?

    With idea number 2, that won’t work for Black women; I think people would just laugh harder and think/say “it’s funny cuz it’s true!

    And I did see a pale-skinned man in an Obama mask, and I had a moment. I didn’t say anything, but it was definitely a double take.

  106. brownstocking wrote:

    mmm, and this year I was Ashley Todd. And only two people got it. I felt good, though!

  107. dianne wrote:

    Oh, I love Halloween, and maybe it’s just the way I think, but I have never had any issues with the non-costume costume (dress in white black and gray and be a black and white photograph - put on a baseball cap, grab a broom, and claim to be a remedial Quidditch coach - put on an old fashioned hat and claim to be Othneil Marsh [my little dino makes this more effective]).

    I have never understood how this is hard or how people end up as hookers or stereotypes. These costumes are questionable AND pretty unimaginative. Happily, my kid is good here too - he won’t celebrate unless he can go as a dinosaur).

  108. dianne wrote:

    I am a little lost on how a bullet hole in the head would make an”ethnic” costume OK, particularly when the costume pertains to a profession that is heavily sexualized in our culture.

    I realize the concept of undead is “Halloween” by nature, but this is like saying dressing as a hooker that’s been shot is better than dressing as a hooker.

    For me, this has connotations that are DEEPLY disturbing, and I would frankly be less distressed by the costume without the bullett…

    Ah, thank God, I spend Halloween surrounded by small children - animals, super-heros, and cartoon characters…

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