Zebras, “tribal” prints: It’s Afrika!

by Guest Contributor Tami, originally published on What Tami Said

So, over on Feministing, Samhita wrote an article about the new Afrika line of clothing by American Apparel. Under the headline: “Jungle prints are back,” the blogger wrote:

And this time to add to the classiness, they are being marketed as the “Afrika” collection. Please get ready to see self proclaimed, post-racist, ironic hipsters near you wearing this fall trend. You know because this isn’t totally racist or anything. This company will never cease to amaze me, in every way.

I’m siding with Samhita on this one. While I would not use the word racist to describe what American Apparel has done wrong, I would use exotification, “othering,” cultural commodification and, well, stupidity. Plenty of Feministing commenters disagree, however, with lots getting stuck on the idea that wearing animal print is inherently racially offensive. No one is saying that. The problem is not zebra print. The problem is distilling a continent of many countries, cultures, languages and peoples down to its wildlife and faux tribal print. There is a tired “dark continent” stereotype at the heart of the American Apparel clothing line’s name and marketing. And THAT is a problem.

What other continent is viewed this way? When was the last time you saw a fashion collection of brown bear fur and Celtic prints labeled “Europe!” No one would buy a pan-European marketing ploy that blended Irish culture with prints from animals found in upper Scandinavia and Russia. Such a thing would be foolish. But no one can be bothered to know the difference between Zambia and Mauritania. Africa becomes just a mush of dark tribal folk and wild animals, and suffers the indignity of insensitive marketing all the time. Asia, too, but that’s another post. (Someone needs to stop Gwen Stefani before she appropriates again.)

What do you think? Is American Apparel’s new Afrika line simply an homage or typical hipster cultural tone deafness? (Be sure to check out the comments over on Feministing. A link is at the top of this post.)

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Comments

  1. Will wrote:

    Stupidity, hipster cultural tone deafness, ignorance and white privilege rolled into one sumptuous package.

    I’ll have more to say later

  2. oh!press pass wrote:

    We had a conversation of it over on oh!press pass. We had some really different and interesting opinions on cultural appropriation.

  3. macon d wrote:

    What other continent, you ask? I’ve seen plenty of white women tart themselves up with “exotic” Asian apparel, accessories, and tattoos.

    I’m surprised by your reluctance to call what AA has done here racism. Seems to me that you’ve described extremely well the particular sort of racism going on here.

    Which criterion in your definition of racism doesn’t apply to what AA has done here?

  4. macon d wrote:

    Oops, sorry, too early in the morn–I missed your reference to Asia. Yes, Gwen. “Stop me before I appropriate again!”

  5. CVT wrote:

    Not to mention that (to my knowledge) nobody anywhere in Africa actually WEARS animal-print clothing. Bright colors and patterns in the form of wraps – yes. Animal print? No.

  6. Will wrote:

    @CVT
    Well, ironically they do when emulating clothes in fashion in the West. But speaking of Kenya, I can’t think of any traditional indigenous clothing that has animal prints on it. But you may find prints targeted towards tourists that do have animals on them.

    Ironically, its only in 2004 that Kenya had a National Dress after a kerfuffle where old Colonial standards crashed headfirst into modern sensibilities

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3660698.stm


    The search for a national dress began early this year, a few months after three Kenyan MPs were barred from entering parliament for wearing brightly-coloured Nigerian robes called Agbadas.

    Rules dating back to the colonial era stated that male MPs must wear suits and ties in the chamber.

    “This argument that the only dress that can be decent is European dress is to me awfully colonial. And I am not sure that even Europeans would today dare advance such an argument,” MP Koigi wa Wamwere said at the time.

    And don’t get me started about the ridiculous white wigs that Kenyan Judges and lawyers still have to wear.

    On a somewhat related note, its sometimes easier to see the mote in someones eye than the log in yours. I was thinking about cultural appropriation and the naming of commercial objects and sports teams after Native American tribes (i.e the Redskins etc) when I noticed that I was having a problem with the Web Server on my machine (I am a software engineer). The name of this Web server?

    Apache Web Server

    It’s funny how certain things right in front of your nose are invisible.

    But anyway, what I was trying to say in my first post was that this is a selling of an image (Africa the wild, Africa the exotic) that has real consequences in how people see, feel and think about Africa.
    I have no problem with using the word racist to describe it because it is essentially perpetuating stereotypes of what Africa is. Also, whe K in Afrika. It makes me think of Afrikans (the language) and Sough Africa and the former Apartheid Regime (sure, I know it’s a stretch but that is what came to mind first)

  7. Will wrote:

    Oh yeah, this reminds me of Binyavanga Wainaina’s essay “How to write about Africa”

    http://www.granta.com/Magazine/92/How-to-Write-About-Africa?view=articleAllPages

  8. Katie wrote:

    I would definitely call this racism.

  9. monica wrote:

    I hate hipsters
    Those pants are ugly as hell

  10. thesciencegirl wrote:

    The comments over on feministing really disappointed me. It was the same old, same old “That’s not racist. You’re overly sensitive. You’re crying wolf. Save your outrage for the REAL racism.” I forgot I had to check in with the general consensus of white feminists before declaring something offensive. My bad.

  11. Zee wrote:

    Like Will, I wondered why they used the the Afrikan spelling for Africa. That strikes me as even more stupidly ignorant. Just dumb. This whole campaign FAILS.

  12. Lyonside wrote:

    TSG: Did you have your bingo card ready? Cause just on your summary above, I think someone owes me a toaster oven.

  13. mzbitca wrote:

    The comments at Feministing were really disappointing. I always enjoy Samhita’s posts and it never fails that within the first two or three comments someone is all but calling her hysterical or accusing her of “reaching”. It just blows my mind. If the words were sexism instead of racism no one would say anything. It’s only when race comes into play that people start thinking about “intent” and “word choice.” and other little angles to not talk about what is really going on.

  14. Annie wrote:

    I definitely think it’s cultural tone-deafness. I also think it’s weird how they’re using Caucasian women to model the clothes. It almost makes it costumey, like, “Hey, we’re white, but we can play pretend like we’re in the jungle too!” Though I wonder how to respond if the models were actually of African descent. Would it just be further animalizing them?

    The collection in the first place is just culturally insensitive.

  15. A.D. Nix wrote:

    “I definitely think it’s cultural tone-deafness. I also think it’s weird how they’re using Caucasian women to model the clothes.”

    AA does not use models of African descent. I take that back – I did see one pop up once. Briefly. And she was miles away from chocolate.

    It’s a very obvious Charney policy.

  16. Ciiku wrote:

    It’s definitely racist! According to me, all the things that have been mentioned above can be included in the definition of racism – cultural appropriation, exotification of another culture, patronizing another culture (as someone said, nobody in Africa actually wears animal print unless they are trying to imitate Westerners), othering etc. This is definitely not stupidity! They know exactly what they are doing and they know that people will buy into it! American Apparel has continually produced racist ads – just look at their ‘mami’ look alike, and the white boy with a black face.

    http://misteriotremendum.sevenandsix.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/uki-d_du.jpg

    To me what is most offensive however is that they would dare to use the spelling of the word ‘Afrika’ which recently has come to be used in spaces of resistance. It’s absolute mockery.

  17. A.D. Nix wrote:

    What I should have made more clear is that, the company’s resistance to using models of African descent anywhere at anytime should definitely be considered when trying to determine what is happening here. here in ‘Afrika.’

    Oppressive leotards and leggings for everyone!

  18. Fatemeh wrote:

    GAH! I saw this last night. Barfing.

    I hardly expect sensitivity from American Apparel, given the owner’s numerous sexual harassment lawsuits.

    And those pants ARE ugly as hell.

  19. gatamala wrote:

    I’ve seen Afrique collections in lingerie too…guess what…sharp angles and animal prints.

    This is also why I didn’t LOOOOVE the Lion King.

  20. Sobia wrote:

    Yes, this is racist. And we’ve been seeing this for quite a while. Middle Eastern and South Asian cultures consistently get blended into one. Yes we’re all Asian but so vastly different.

    And we see it everywhere – movies, furniture, clothing, food, music etc.
    Remember when the bindi was trendy? I was young but I remember being disgusted everytime I saw a White teenage girl in jeans and a tank with a bindi on her forehead.

    Or how about chai? Chai, the semi-universal word for tea – not a specific type of tea – just tea. So chai tea means ‘tea tea.’ Yet, here chai has been made into some sort of Indian spice tea (if they really want to be accurate then call it ‘masala (spice) chai’). Forget the fact that the word ‘chai’ belongs to other languages as well.

    @ Will:
    I thought of that Binyavanga Wainaina’s essay too. It’s bang on!

    @ Annie:

    “It almost makes it costumey

    Great point! And with Hallowe’en coming up we can expect to see more of this – bellydancing costumes, gypsy outfits, etc. I had an argument with a friend about such appropriations last Hallowe’en, when my friend felt that wearing a culture’s traditional clothing as a costume was not offensive. I absolutely disagreed. And she was a WOC herself, from the Middle East.

  21. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    @Ciiku – Just want to clarify that the photo you posted is not an AA ad, but a fashion spread from i-D magazine. We had a lengthy discussion about it last August, if you want to check that out.

  22. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    @Fatemeh – Cosign. Those pants/leggings are completely heinous. And unflattering, I should add.

  23. browne wrote:

    When I see it I think of Afrikaners the white South Africans and I wonder, if they though they were being clever with this. I wonder. I don’t know, but it feels insulting like if you had a line called the “Oriental” line and you had “Asia” inspired clothing that put in mind the olden days when Hong Kong was part of England. It seems like going back in time to when the world was the people who were savages and the people who were civilized.

    Dov the owner (thought I think he may have sold it) has some odd ideas. He did the kiddie porn like thing and the sexist like thing and you know this all goes in line with other marketing campaigns and then you think about the election and what this kind of thing implies. For it to becoming out right now…it’s just feels icky.

    I don’t know if it is icky, but with my eyes clothes and my hand feeling around in the bowl it feels icky. I’m too afraid to open my eyes to see the truth.

  24. browne wrote:

    I really, really wish American Apparel would stop this kind of advertising. I love their clothes. I have to say I think the prints look super cute. I’d wear it, but not now. Not with this ad. I’ve got lots of AA clothes, but owing to the insane sexism I’ve yet to buy any new clothes from them…and this just…I wish they would do better and stop trying to be so hip and cute and culturally blind with their advertising. As a LA person though I have to say I think the prints are cute, so I have to disagree on the ugly opinions, but I agree with everything else.

  25. Whitney wrote:

    I’m glad that you commented on this. I saw an ad for the “Afrika” collection and i just shook my head. it seems that American Apparel is determined to be culturally insensitive and racist and culturally tone-deaf.

    And they do it with some of the ugliest clothes I’ve seen.

  26. Revolution wrote:

    I literally don’t have the words to express my anger about this latest capitalist violation of The Continent. *deep breath*. Ok, seriously though, I just want to understand what the thought process was at American Apparel in coming up with the label “Afrika”. Because at no point apparently did anyone think that was a bad idea. But this fits the pattern in a series of very myopic bad ideas at AA. There’s nothing chic, or cool, or exotic or cute going on here. It’s just stupid to come up with some prints and call the line “Afrika”. AA is a creative wasteland that through its concepts and visuals represents such a poverty of ideas and a deep lack of originality. Ignorance is never fashionable. And while I’m at it, I think every single person on earth should get a damn atlas and learn the names and locations of every single African country…Let’s just start with some basic geography for cryingoutloud.

  27. Kelvin wrote:

    this is so stupid. As someone who grew up in Nigeria, I can only laugh at this mess. Animal prints? American Apparel need to go educate themselves on the iro and buba. The gele head tie and atibo. The Nigerians I know and grew up with don’t wear animal print cause that would be tacky as hell and one thing a lot of Nigerians know to avoid is tacky.

  28. Kepler wrote:

    Um, are we still surprised most of the world still views Africa as a small village? Really? That people are still surprised that Africans wear ‘western’ clothing ? I mean after all, all South Asians always wear saris, and all Scots always wear kilts, and all Texans always wear cowboy hats/boots/chaps (to help wrangle the cows, of course!). And while we’re at it, all Alaskans live in igloos and spend their entire lives under a blanket of snow.

    /snark

    I can’t wait for the design containing a lion print, and have someone argue that since lions are found in Africa, the use of lions is not racist. Because no non-African culture has appropriated the use of lions. And certainly not Europeans. Assuming of course, on remains ignorant of the numerous historical European flags that have a lion in the middle.

    To paraphrase H.L. Mencken , no one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

    But I have to add to Will’s link about Kenya looking for a national dress. The search for a National Dress is not a relatively new one. Though I don’t have any links, I do remember years ago (1990s) there was a national discussion about trying to find one. I’m not surprised Kenyans are still borrowing Nigerian traditional attire. I have more than a dozen cute outfits sent by well-meaning family members who want me to remember/embrace my heritage. I’m still not sure how to respond. I think the outfits are cute and I love how flattering the cut is, but I feel odd 1) claiming to have ties to Nigerian heritage and 2) wearing it in any setting that doesn’t explicitly call for traditional ‘folk costume’.

    And yet… totally OT, but I love the idea of spending Oktoberfest wearing a vamped dirndl using a Celtic print. Or using Japanesse print (oftenn seen in a kimono) and wrapping it like a sari to attend a Halloween party. I would never claim to be wearing traditional “European” or “Asian/Oriental” attire. Rather my own design from fusing other cultures, and an expression of who I am ( a product of fusing cultures). But I draw the line at wearing a plain-white bra with sequins and gold coins sewn on, in an attempt to claim it was part of a belly dancing costume, as I once witnessed at a Ren-Fair. Does that make me a hypocrite? Or classist?

  29. Buchisugoi wrote:

    You know that over at AA, the fact that there’s any outrage at all over their marketing strategy = success in their eyes.

    I think a lot of the denial-type response like what is happening in the Feministing post’s comments stems from the denial of white culture by white people. To me, the “this isn’t racist, it’s a compliment if white people decide to wear their ‘fashion’” tack just smacks of the “But I don’t have a culture, so it’s ok for me to envy/appropriate yours” worldview.

  30. livininphilly wrote:

    Yes! Thank you, thank you so much for this b/c when I saw the ad on Wednesday the first thing I said (very loudly) was “What the Fuck!” and it was 9:30 am and I was waiting at the bus stop w/ 5 other people who all gave me the side-eye.
    This ad was on the back of the Philadelphia Weekly and what drew my eye at first was the mix of prints (which before my mind could process I actually liked for a split second).
    Then I was like wow, yet another white hipster appropriating culture in the name of fashion. Then as I read the little bio of the model (here, pictured at the top the blond one)I got so disgusted and pissed off I had to rip off the ad and throw it in the trash before I could read the paper.
    From the ad:
    {Insert model’s name) is a [bold]DUTCH[/bold] sales clerk in Amsterdam. {emphasis mine} . Great so not only do we have racism cleverly hidden through fashion but we have a spelling that is totally reminiscent of Afrikaneers but the face you choose is of the same nationality as the colonizers who raped S. Africa!?! This ad managed to trip off my bull-shit. anti-racist, feminist, anti-hispter, anti-colonialism circuits and my day hadn’t even started yet!
    I’m already boycotting AA for some of the other offensive and racist ads they have. Just when I think I can’t possibly be offended anymore by a corporation they manage to do it. Dov Charney can seriously suck my balls!

  31. ieishah wrote:

    i went to american apparel today!! the one branch we have here in barcelona. i saw the red and the zebra print dresses. there was only one left of each. i glanced at them, really a half a second glance, then opted for a black tube dress.

    because american apparel is not pucci. you don’t go to there for prints.

    and dov knows this. he is not stupid. i’d bet money he knows both that real africans don’t wear that shit and that africa is diverse. in that case, it’s not even appropriation. it’s just him referencing some continent other than the one that actually exists.

    when i think of dov, i think of something dr. peggy said in the addicted to race podcast that was posted here a few days ago. she said, ‘white superiority distorts the personality’. i think if we can be sure of anything, it’s that dov’s an asshole. that white-male-’hipster’-moneyed-sex -appeal (for a certain set, certainly not this one) privilege has made him into an egomaniac who appropriates, objectifies, discriminates etc. at will because he can and because it keeps the focus exactly where he needs it. on him.

    distorted personality, anyone?

  32. Mike wrote:

    Would we also criticize American Apparel for its name? “American”. Is the USA the whole of America. Is New Orleans the same as Anchorage? Is its use of America cultural tone deafness?

    When I compare the hundreds of jobs Dov’s created in LA and all the “Legalize LA” advertisements covering bus benches and billboards in west LA to the nonsense he uses to sell his fugly tops, I’m willing to give him some slack on his “moisture is the essence of wetness” goofiness.

  33. Renee wrote:

    I went to read the comments at feministing and found I could not make it to the end of the thread. Once again white feminist think that they have right to tell a body of color what is and isn’t racist. Of course that their commentary is steeped in privilege is something that no one could be bothered to acknowledge. The audacity of whiteness never ceases to amaze me.

  34. jvansteppes wrote:

    @Macon D
    White women aren’t the only ones who ‘tart themselves up’ using Orientalist cultural appropriations. [And though I'm not a femme I find this wording pretty patronizing].
    White MEN all over the place make the same appropriations, American Apparel’s colonial fantasies belong to all white people, not just the ladies.
    Pardon my irritation, I’m just sick of white guys making themselves feel better about their race politics by highlighting the failures of white women, especially when they do it in ways that smack of misogyny.

  35. pixilated wrote:

    @browne (and will): i’m not really sure i understand what you mean by “if [afrianers] thought they were being clever”. my understanding is that the word is derived from the dutch word for africa – of which afrikaans is a descendant language. there are other white south africans who are neither necessarily afrikaans-speaking nor afrikaner. also their being of english or any other nationality wouldn’t mean they wouldn’t have been in a position to benefit from apartheid either.

    the use of afrika in “spaces of resistance” as ciiku put it (i really like that phrasing) is something quite different, but not necessarily entirely removed. it is this which with which my mind first associates this usage. doesn’t make it any less of a mockery in the ads though.

    i was actually more offended by the ugliness of the clothes……

  36. post-hipster utopia wrote:

    Can we all please start a post-hipster movement as soon as possible?

  37. pixilated wrote:

    i meant to type *afrikaners* :-(

  38. Rita wrote:

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being inspired by nature. Nor is there anything wrong with being inspired by art and aesthetics from other cultures. To me, the problem is with the labeling and the marketing approach. Packaging all of this as “Afrikan” – complete with an alternate spelling that is loaded with meaning in certain circles. That’s what makes this racist.

  39. jln wrote:

    I think the message about the real damage done throug this kind of faux-ethnic, stereotype-promoting clothing gets lost when people start saying that spelling it “Afrika” makes people think of Afrikaans.

    The hard “c” is pretty unique to English, and many languages in many different language families spell it with a “k” – it feels very Anglo-centric to insist that it must refer to Afrikaans just because that happens to be the one language that’s familiar to North Americans!

  40. Shelby wrote:

    Great post, but literally the only thing I can think of right now is “OMG! reading the comments at Feministing is NEVER a good idea!”
    I learned that the hard way and my soul suffers eternally for it. Jesus…

  41. Eric Daniels wrote:

    Well cross colorsand Karl Kani was much more intresting in the early 90’s along with the Africa medallions and kufi hats.Captialism for white hipsters and black wannabe hispsters.

  42. Fatemeh wrote:

    I just read the comments on Feministing. Uh…WOW.

  43. Luis wrote:

    I happen to like the leggings. The problem, whether you like them or not, is of course the idea of turning them into a “line,” which I didn’t realize was the case when I first saw some of the pieces.

    Instead of just introducing the patterns normally, as simply clothes, there was this attempt to aggregate certain patterns and animal prints into an “Afrika” line. The commodification of the continent and the implication of authenticity by appropriating a spelling used in spaces of post-colonial resistance is where a harmless use of a print in fashion steps over the line into racism and exoticization.

  44. yorubella wrote:

    It seems like in the minority here–and while I do see the points that Samhita and everyone else are making, as a Nigerian-American I think its cool that African prints (not including animal prints) are becoming “cool” and more mainstream.

    The dress and the leggings aren’t animal print, they’re bold, colorful patterns that are reminiscent of some types of African clothing. And what’s wrong with fashion inspired by other cultures? I get really excited when I see any African-inspired western clothing–it allows me to show a little bit of my heritage in my everyday look without going for the full traditional outfit.

  45. Eunice wrote:

    As another Nigerian, I can say American Apparel won’t know African print if it hit them in the face. They’ve probably never heard of Woudin or adire. I’m just sick of the animal print being associated with a pan-African culture.

    For one, we don’t all wear the same material or patterns. In a multi-ethnic country like Nigeria, every ethnic group’s clothing represents them. I can tell an Itsekiri man from an Urhobo man, even though their dress is similar. But it’s not the SAME.

    But no, in this colonial mentality, we’re all lumped together and forced to look the same and dress the same. *rolls eyes*

  46. Jorge wrote:

    Sorry, but I just don’t get it. I don’t see how this is exoticism or “othering”.

    The problem is distilling a continent of many countries, cultures, languages and peoples down to its wildlife and faux tribal print. There is a tired “dark continent” stereotype at the heart of the American Apparel clothing line’s name and marketing. And THAT is a problem.

    Can’t someone take inspiration from somewhere else without being accused of exploiting or appropriating? I don’t see the dark continent stereotype being played out in this ad. So is it bad to use these?

    What were they supposed to do? Provide history lessons, information on the country of origin of the prints?

    Sorry for all the questions, but seriously, I am lost on this one.

  47. Pop Feminist wrote:

    The problem is not zebra print. The problem is distilling a continent of many countries, cultures, languages and peoples down to its wildlife and faux tribal print. There is a tired “dark continent” stereotype at the heart of the American Apparel clothing line’s name and marketing. And THAT is a problem.

    Yes! I was skeptical when I first started reading this, but you’ve made a great point. As usual racialicious= insightful, well-stated.

  48. gem wrote:

    I’m SO disappointed in the comments on Feministing.. they’re really really quite infuriating.

    Some gems:

    “Now, you can certain disagree with me, but to me the ideal goal is that of a post-racial world, one where race is an irrelevant factor. As such, clinging to history too much makes a brighter future hard to accomplish. To me, only intentional (whether admitted or not), especially codified, racism/sexism needs to be called out. I think it would be hard to claim this clothing line represents intentional racism. It is at best negligent in its treatment of racial concerns.”
    AA doesn’t represent intentional racism?

    See: Afrika with a K. Doubly colonial, esp. when marketed primarily to Americans.

    See: mixture of animal prints with faux tribal prints, and somehow, voila, “AFRIKA!”

    Another gem: how someone tries to justify AA’s use of tribal prints under the Afrika line by confirming their authenticity. Because if they’re REAL prints, it’s okay to have them in the line, juxtaposed with zebra prints, and still called “Afrika”. It’s not racist:
    “I just e-mailed them about the print. I asked them if the print was original or authentic and asked about the possible cultural significance of the print if it’s authentic and if it looks like any sacred authentic print. Hopefully they’ll get back to me in a few days. They’re good about that.”
    SEVENTY-FIVE PERCENT OF FEMINISTING NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND READ RACIALICIOUS!

  49. browne wrote:

    pixilated wrote:

    @browne (and will): i’m not really sure i understand what you mean by “if [afrianers] thought they were being clever”. my understanding is that the word is derived from the dutch word for africa …..

    I wasn’t referring to they in regards to the Dutch I was referring to they as in American Appparel….now taking how I took the Afrika spelled with a K and what my first introduction to the term well, I can’t help but think the choice of spelling has a bit of smarty pants reasoning behind it. The reason which I stated, which I think you misinterpreted.

    My full quote:

    “When I see it I think of Afrikaners the white South Africans and I wonder, if they thought they were being clever with this. I wonder. I don’t know, but it feels insulting like if you had a line called the “Oriental” line and you had “Asia” inspired clothing that put in mind the olden days when Hong Kong was part of England. ”

    Now the first they in there was referring to American Apparel, not the Dutch.

    Browne

  50. zee wrote:

    The responses to the post at Feministing make me want to ram my head through a wall. Privilege strikes again at a feminist blog. How surprising.

  51. lxy wrote:

    This comment from Feministing struck me as either extremely naive or something worse:

    “Now, you can certain disagree with me, but to me the ideal goal is that of a post-racial world, one where race is an irrelevant factor. As such, clinging to history too much makes a brighter future hard to accomplish. To me, only intentional (whether admitted or not), especially codified, racism/sexism needs to be called out. I think it would be hard to claim this clothing line represents intentional racism. It is at best negligent in its treatment of racial concerns.”

    This commentor seems to be swilling the Post-Racial Kool Aid that the mainstream media is hyping.

    In practice, a “post-racial world” means one in which racialized ethnic difference is whitewashed away. It means denying diversity, not “celebrating” it. And it implicitly upholds White Western values and culture as universal standards by which all others must conform, be judged by, and assimilate into.

    In short, a Post-Racial world represents a kind of Universal Whiteness in all but name.

    And clinging to history too much makes a brighter (or is that Whiter?) future hard to accomplish?

    Oh, I get it. Forget who you are and where you come from and join us in our Post-Racial Utopia!

    Finally, the idea that only “codified” racism/sexism needs to be called out is nonsense. This person has never heard of what Stuart Hall calls Inferential Racism, which is based upon an implicit racist logic or premise rather than on direct assertion.

  52. steph wrote:

    “I hardly expect sensitivity from American Apparel, given the owner’s numerous sexual harassment lawsuits.”

    I totally agree with this and didn’t need another reason to dislike AA to the point of not shopping there. Lemme list a few of my other reasons:
    YOU try to buy XXL clothing there. They don’t have ‘em.
    An American Apparel box shipped to my friend’s custom t-shirt store in Chicago has a “made in mexico” slip in it. They make a big deal out of being made in the U.S. and being sweatshop free. (Honestly, I don’t care what nation items are made as long as people get a flippin’ living wage).
    Another booo on american apparel.

  53. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    This reminds me of when I watched ‘Coming to America’ in Ghana at the age of 6 or so…It was hilarious and I remember thinking ‘Wow those Americans sure are funny’. I had no clue that was supposed to represent me….I feel the same way about this Afrika line…..Woodin it is not. I see it more as American than African so it doesn’t offend me. If they paraded a whole bunch of Africans with Blood Red lipstick and fangs and headwraps in the clothes maybe then I would be more annoyed. As it is I am sooo immune to white American fetishing of my culture and the myriad others in Africa that this ranks a 2 on a 10 point scale. This is ‘curious’ in he smae way that American tourists in Daishikis walking around at home is curious…

  54. jln wrote:

    @browne – why assume that Afrika with a K isn’t just straight up exotification of the other rather than a Afrikaans-reference though?

    I think it’s making AA’s marketers too aware to assume that they’re doing a colonial callback to that rather than shouting “OTHER!” EXOTIC!” and pointing to of all the dozens and dozens of other languages that spell it with a K (Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, Sesotho, Tsongo, among countless others).

  55. CVT wrote:

    @ Buchisugoi – I was about to write in to tell you “Hey – I have a post on White Culture that you’d probably enjoy,” and then I realized you already did just that when I went back to it. Sorry for missing your comment on that page.

    Cultural appropriation, white culture, globalization . . . It’s like everything I’ve written on my blog was intended to round off this conversation . . .

  56. Buchisugoi wrote:

    So speaking of the existence of other clothing lines “inspired” (appropriated) from other cultures, check out this stuff at Lucky Brand, which my friend showed me yesterday:

    http://www.luckybrandjeans.com/search.aspx?l=00020173000000000000

    reference esp. “Midnight Geisha Hoodie”, “Little Buddha Zip Hoodie” (WTF?!) and “Geisha Graffiti Hoodie”.

    Now, I will say I’m torn on a couple of the floral-print ones. Only my aesthetic sensibility is offended by the ones that look cobbled together from some craft-store origami paper. But I’m rolling my eyes at the not-even-remotely-Japanese artwork and characters, plus the “geisha” and “buddha” concept, of the rest.

    Please, Gwen Stefani, and Lucky Brand, and everyone who thinks chopsticks in the hair is a fun accessory, this needs to die.

  57. Wayne Park wrote:

    it’s fashion gentrification

  58. browne wrote:

    “@browne – why assume that Afrika with a K isn’t just straight up exotification of the other rather than a Afrikaans-reference though?
    I think it’s making AA’s marketers too aware to assume that they’re doing a colonial callback to that rather than shouting “OTHER!” EXOTIC!” and pointing to of all the dozens and dozens of other languages that spell it with a K (Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, Sesotho, Tsongo, among countless others).” JLN

    Yeah, that could be the case. I don’t know, I was simply giving what it could be, not saying what it had to be, yeah I could also see it shouting exotic and other too.

    But I think it was subconscious and just a bunch of people who thought they were being funny and snarky. A bunch of people in a little world who view people outside of that world as a joke or as something that is amusing.

    Lets just move off the Africa with a K statement in regards to what I said. I was just talking not saying what something had to be. I apologize, since this seems to be offensive for some odd reason to people. I mean was that offensive?

    I sort of feel like anything someone new says here is way too over analyzed. I’m a progressive person of african descent, but sometimes when I am here I feel a little bit like my experiences differ alot from people here and maybe I shouldn’t comment anymore.

    Browne

  59. sunjata wrote:

    yo i just laid it down over at feministing…check it out

  60. starchytuber wrote:

    they’re just copping m.i.a.

    http://shop.miauk.com/category/category-13409-okley-run

  61. Ken Arromdee wrote:

    [i]but the face you choose is of the same nationality as the colonizers who raped S. Africa!?! [/i]

    How is this different from “How dare you choose a Muslim, isn’t that the same religion that attacked the World Trade Center?”

  62. pixilated wrote:

    @browne: i honestly didn’t mean to make you feel as if your comments are over-analysed. certainly you have every right for your perspective to be expressed and heard, so it would be a shame if you decided to stop commenting based on being afraid of how people might react to/misinterpret/dislike/whatever you have to say. don’t take it so personally if others might want to dissect or even outright disagree with some of the things you say. it happens to the bloggers who post here; i also happens to other people who comment on the posts here. but remember this is a public forum so if you have something to say chances are you might find yourself having to defend it if there are flaws in your argument or if someone doesn’t agree wholeheartedly with you.

    i definitely took no offense to your statement , and if your experience of life is so different from other people’s it’s probably worth hearing more about :-)

    @jln: good point.

  63. Daomadan wrote:

    Not surprised that certain conversations are going on over at feministing.com.

    I think what also makes me angry in this whole debate is that I can’t even afford those damn clothes so in a sense there is some class privilege going on. I’m sick at the moment so perhaps someone can better express what I want to say but what AA does just seems in another world because I’m shopping at Savers. I’m not saying these debates shouldn’t take place and that AA shouldn’t be called out but how do I reconcile that there is a certain level of privilege that some people are even aware of what AA is doing? Perhaps someone can answer my question while I’m in my sick haze.

    But yeah…what Tami said. Spot on about the nature of exotification that continues to permeate the fashion industry.

  64. browne wrote:

    Pixalated I wasn’t referring to you. It was a general statement.

    One person making one statement fine, but two or three people asking the same question on the same point, it’s a bit much.

    I think if one person makes a statement clears it up, we should move on, but of course this is online and people don’t read entire threads.

    It’s not about me being sensitive, its just about wanting to be involved in a productive conversation. Maybe my persona does not mix well with the persona of othes. Maybe I am irrirating I would rather just watch if my comments add nothing but irritation. I like this blog and I will continue to read it even if I decide me commenting here is a pointless exercise which literally demonstrates why I will always be the weird person.

    I want to know exactly what was the issue with me saying the K in Africa could have been them harkening back to apartheid South Africa.

    As a person who grew up in LA (where AA is based) and as a person that travels in the same bar and neighborhoods as people who work for AA (I know one of their former marketers) then how can my interpretation of that be that off? Possibly that is why it is offensive. Maybe it was the point that I said I liked the clothes, maybe that was the real point of contention. I said I didn’t appreciate their marketing and I don’t buy it anymore, but I do think AA makes cute clothes…

    I don’t know. I want to know.

    Why was that offensive? Or a flaw?

    I’ve asked that question twice, so I’m still waiting for an answer.

    I want to know so I don’t offend someone in person one day, if you have knowledge please share.

  65. Kaonashi wrote:

    Buchisugoi : I have locks that reach my ass. How ELSE am I supposed to pin my hair up? T_T

    On a more serious note: I’ve only been studying Japanese for a little over a year and finding fake kanji on things in a sad attempt to make them “look Asian” pisses me off.

  66. sunjata wrote:

    Ok, just to remember the company we are dealing with here, doesn’t anyone remember this? http://www.racialicious.com/2007/08/17/american-apparel-trumpets-blackface-fashion-spread-in-i-d-magazine/?

    For people who have not been exposed to critical race theory or the study of colonialism and cultural appropriation, the new Afrika line probably doesn’t look racist to you. The reason it doesn’t look racist to you is because the attractiveness of the line is meant to play on the unconscious attitudes that non-african westerners have about africa. Here’s a set of association words:

    exotic
    primitive
    tribal
    jungle
    wild
    animalistic
    hypersexual

    I can go on, but you get the point.

    Africa is a continent, not a country. If they called the line “Cameroon”, people would say “what”? Most americans don’t know anything about africa, and probably couldn’t point out Cameroon on a blank map. “Tribal” is a loaded word, which I could write like ten pages about, especially in relation to the western perception of african societies. There is just so much ignorance, I don’t know where to start.

    The word Africa is connected with a westernized idea of the continent, and has nothing to do with the people or cultures within it. This is nothing new.

    What bothers me is that they don’t actually import fabric from african countries and make THAT a selling point. That would be great. Instead, they make these crappy patterns themselves and call it African. They don’t know the first thing about Africa.

    They could have called it a bunch of other things, but they chose what they chose for a reason.

    @Victorianox: the reason nobody raises the idea of anti-white racism is because it is a moot point, and a hypocritical idea. there has never been, nor will there ever be, aparteid or segregation against whites that is/was established for profit through force by non-whites. white colonialism created the dynamic of oppressing non-whites, and whenever the non-whites gain a foothold of power, its going to be seen as “anti-white” by whites because they are at the top of the power structure. When white people are being made slaves by non-whites, then I will agree with you that that is anti-white racism, but until that day, the whole idea is ridiculous and hypocritical.

    @spike the cat: how about just “wild prints”? they could have done it many different ways. this is also different than your example of using japanese techniques, because these clothes aren’t CLOSE to authentic. It’s like calling David Carradine chinese.

    Also, skunks are from America, but nobody wears its skin as clothes. Zebra pelts were brought back as trophies by game hunters, but clothing is made from CLOTH. Nobody goes around wearing animal skins like that.

    Real african fabrics look like this: http://africanandsilkfabrics.com/

    surprised? no animal print. I rest my case.

    American Apparel is awful. I say let’s make our own clothes. DIY is so post-hipster!

  67. DivergentDana wrote:

    “Can’t someone take inspiration from somewhere else without being accused of exploiting or appropriating? ”

    “Spot on about the nature of exotification that continues to permeate the fashion industry.”

    As a fashion-obsessed person and a member of a subculture that often swerves close to “the line” when it comes to that type of thing, could anyone link me up to a lot of information about cultural appropriation in fashion? I’ve searched like mad on the internet and in books, but there seems to be very little information on it (from which I gained a valuable bit of information – “Find out if it’s religious. If it is, leave it alone.”) and what there is is very confusing. As part of the target market for this stuff, I want to be an informed consumer.

    “What other continent is viewed this way?”

    South America, for one. Ask the same person about Uruguay that you did about Cameroon, and they’d still be stumped.

  68. morose wrote:

    When I think “racist” I think Omi & Winant – reproducing essentialist notions of race. Therefore I’d say it’s racist because it goes back to the “African” race is inherently wild, tribal, and exotic. racistracistracist.

  69. Jess wrote:

    I was thinking about this some more after I got on them at feministing a bit.

    I’m gonna offer something here that may drive some people nuts, but is important I think. The reason some people get a little defensive at this is because a lot of us — myself included — were exposed to two decades of really poorly thought out cultural criticism. One reason conservatives hate post-modernists (even though they don’t really know what it is) is because so much of it is just dumb and easy to caricature. I mean, remember the Sokal hoax? That says a lot right there.

    Anyhow, what I am saying is that a lot of this stuff leaves you in the position of saying “All men are evil/white folks are racist.” Stuff like that. And you can end up sounding like the essentialists we rail against. I know that isn’t what people are saying in this case, but that doesn’t alter what it sounds like.

    As a (socially constructed, if not technically) white person, who has tried to do my bit to change things, I want to say, “Well, damn, if nobody can do anything without being racist/sexist, if we live in Andrea Dworkin land, then what is the point of trying to make social change? Why should I bother to try and change my behavior, or anyone else’s, if I am irredeemably evil because of something I didn’t ask for?”

    Basically, you run into the problem of defining away the possibility of any social change. That’s goddamn depressing. It’s why I think the “difference feminism” is just a dead end and why when you say “you can’t understand” that sort of ends the conversation. “OK, I can’t. But we still gotta change things, so how do we do it?”

    When I talk about ethnic stereotyping, or racism, or the way it expresses itself, I try to be damned careful about how it sounds. Some people will say “Why they hell do you care about other people’s sensibilities” but over the years I have become very conscious of how stuff sounds on the other end. What if it were me? How would I react? Would I want someone to do this/say this to me? If I want someone to change their mind, look at it in another way, how do I do it?

    Part of the problem is the word “racist” which (wrongly) has all these connotations of personal racism. In the US we have this weird moralistic thing about politics. We tend to personalize more than other cultures in do, it seems to me. So we look at the word “racism” and see accusation. And when you are on the receiving end of it it feels like a personal accusation, which for many progressive people is harder to deal with because dang, you just spent all that time trying your best to change it.

    I’m not saying boo hoo for white people. I am just trying to say where people are coming from.

    Now, there are all sorts of reasons the ad campaign doesn’t quite hit the racist threshold for me. it’s close, but not quite there. Insensitive? Yeah. Kind’s dumb? Yeah. That’s my opinion, and Samhita et al disagree. Hey, that’s ok.

    Some of it is because I think people get hung up on the question of cultural appropriation, which is nowhere near as simple as it sounds. I’ve been to cultures where American and European culture gets appropriated and used in ways that are to me a bit… weird. But hey, let ‘em have at it. I’m not going to correct their misconceptions about the US in a day.

    (I’m not doing the tit-for-tat argument either here, or talking about “reverse racism” which I think is a canard. Just saying that cultural appropriation is not, and never is, a one-way process. The implications for the cultures involved are different, though, which is why we have a discussion about it at all).

    Then there’s the fact that when discussing ads you are discussing a lot of unconscious associations. That makes it harder — I mean, they’re unconscious, y’know?

  70. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Jess/Divergent Dana -

    Yes, it is super complicated. I’m also a lover of fashion, so I do find myself falling a lot more alongside the ideas that there is inspiration and appropriation, and there is a fine line between the two. Obviously, this gets more complicated as we look around the globe.

    I will never forget opening an issue of S Cawaii (Japanese fashion mag) and seeing a segment on USA Latina style – Asian girls rocking curly teased hair and dark lipliner over sheer pale lips, with super thin, long brows. I wish I had kept that issue.

    At any rate, I’ve been debating doing some posts on cultural appropriation for a while now (focusing on fashion, actions, and food) but haven’t actually put anything to paper. Maybe we should change that…

  71. Jess wrote:

    @Latoya

    You realize the word “Kawai(i)” in Japanese means “Pretty?”

    It’s geared to young women who don’t want to dress like young clubbers, but the funniest link is to “Titty & Co.”

    That’s a hoot.

    I could go on and on about the Japanese penchant for picking up cultural referents from other places, making it their own with some very odd results.

    (I had a Japanese history teacher who said, “A hundred years from now there’s going to be a ‘traditional’ Japanese form of music called a ‘beeteru’ consisting of four guys with mop top haircuts playing three guitar-like instruments and a drummer. The Japanese will insist on it’s uniquely Japanese origin. Nobody will be able to tell, except for a few obsessive scholars mining the etymology of the word.”)

  72. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Jess –

    Yeah. It’s actually closer of a translation to cute, though, than pretty, and it’s based in the Onee-Kei fashion movement. I’ve been reading S Cawaii since 2003, I recently stopped because their (onee-kei purveyors like Vivi, CanCan, JJ, S Cawaii) fashion is overly influenced by our fashion now, so there isn’t any real reason to continue paying import prices to look at Lindsay/Paris/Nicole.

    I’m also very, very wary of the Wacky Japan! sentiment I picked up in your response, but I’ve already discussed that a bit.

    To quote Holly from Feministe:

    Japan has this place in the Western imagination as deeply strange and different on some level, a funhouse mirror and a convenient Other. That’s what has fueled what some people call the “Japan is Weird” trend in blogs and other websites. (Which, if you read the comments on that thread, I find deeply irritating.)

    If that’s not what you meant, it’s cool, but my antennae tends to go up when someone wants to point out something “odd” about Japanese culture.

  73. Will wrote:

    @browne

    I sort of feel like anything someone new says here is way too over analyzed. I’m a progressive person of african descent, but sometimes when I am here I feel a little bit like my experiences differ alot from people here and maybe I shouldn’t comment anymore.

    Please keep commenting. Not commenting would sort of defeat the purpose of getting as many voices heard. I’m African and I post my experiences because way too often, all you hear about is non-Africans (and I don’t mean this as an attack, just an observation) trying to define what Africans think and feel.

  74. Buchisugoi wrote:

    @Kaonashi: I don’t know what to say, except you get props for growing hair to your ass, and making T_T remind me of the “other” Kaonashi from Sp. Away.

    @Latoya: thanks for jumping in on the Wacky Japan! note. Further down that road is Harajuku Lovers and Engrish.com. (Exactly what would be a “normal result” from a cross cultural reference, anyway?) Gonna go read your other post.

  75. coco wrote:

    browne,

    i agree with Will above, and encourage you to continue posting your viewpoints.

    i agree with you that the Afrika spelling reminds me of South Africa and Afrikaans to me. i’m an african american person. i hear Afrikaans in the spelling much more than a call out to indigenous African languages, mostly because South Africa was what I was learning about Africa in the 1980s-1990s, when people were boycotting/protesting/making art about the reign of apartheid and getting to finally watch it end.

    It was important for me (and my generation) to see apartheid fall in South Africa, like it was important for my parents to see the end of Jim Crow in the U.S. 40 (?) years earlier (though not exactly the same).

    If using a Dutch model in combination with the spelling wasn’t an intentional reference to South Africa, it is a totally tone deaf way to reference Africa to American consumers (esp. African American consumers).

    I’m just saying: Apartheid references–do.not.want.

  76. Jess wrote:

    @Latoya-

    yeah, you’re right about the translation. A better word for Pretty is Kirei which is a little more literal.

    I look at the stuff that goes on in Japan as wacky, but I figure i have to have a sense of humor about it. They probably think the same of us.

    I mean, I have cousins (who are Japanese) there, and some of the time I had explaining how things are in the US — it was really, really strange.

    Let me explain. I had to go over what home fries were. They hadn’t heard the word (in English) and it sounds different in Japanese. This was back in the early 90s.

    Anyhow, I realized I didn’t have the vocabulary to explain it. And there was no convenient cultural referent for me to use. They were fascinated by this thing they saw on TV (I am at a loss even now to say what it was, I didn’t know the language well enough). I think it had something to do with American cuisine, but I am not sure. Anyway, when I finally got across what I was talking about, (I think) they were off for about a half hour on the weird shit gaijin eat. About a potato. Um.

    Then I realized we do the same damn thing.

    I ran into stuff like that all the time. Japan is an “other.” It’s a culture that has achieved developed nation/first world status without reference to our culture, or anything that shares its assumptions. That’s a pretty rare thing.

    This is all oversimplified. But the point is that I find it really useful to look at how the Japanese accomplished all that they have as a non-western culture that one could argue beat all the colonizers at their own game in a way that people in India, or Malaysia, or the Middle East failed to do (at least until recently). They weren’t any less advanced technologically.

    So yeah, when I see stuff that they do with things from our culture, and how they incorporate it, some of it is kind’a funny, but underneath that is something important.

    Another thing: I did not grow up in Japan, nor did I grow up speaking it except a few words and phrases from ‘baa-san. I learned it later. But when I went there, I got a whole lot of weird looks because you know, I could use chopsticks. And speak. And they were weirded out by the fact that I had Japanese blood but didn’t know (insert something here that they thought was screamingly obvious).

    It was fun, wild and yes, sometimes wacky. But I picked up a lot of useful stuff and learned how much assumptions matter.

  77. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    Sorry to derail, but now *my* Japan antennae have gone up -

    @Jess, why’d you think Latoya didn’t know the meaning of kawaii?

    @Divergent Dana, it’s funny you should mention Uruguay because during the South America unit in 4th Grade, that was my country (we all had to write reports on a a) Central American and b) South American country that year) and 16 years later, I can find Uruguay (and Belize) on an unmarked map. Perhaps it’s because we didn’t have an Africa unit in elementary school (or middle school, or high school) but my African geography is very poor. I went to public school until 6th grade and though it was in one of the best districts in NY, I’ll bet very few of the graduates of P.S. 26 could point out Cameroon, far fewer than those who shop at American Apparel.

  78. jln wrote:

    I’m behind on responding here, but

    @ browne:

    My own apologies if I was hammering at you there – I wasn’t trying to drive you off!

    The language trick is just one of those things for me – that AA goes for a non-English spelling is so obviously going in the wrong direction, so I’m not disagreeing at all there.

    It’s just that putting extra meaning into it (it’s not just saying “look at the exotic!” but adding “it’s also an Apartheid reference!”) seems to me to be going too far in the other direction – don’t smug middle-aged, white americans who in reality know nothing about Africa at all, smugly chat about “apartheid was bad, and our embargos stopped” even though I doubt they could even find South Africa on a map – so I just can’t see them saying “Look at us doing our Boer line of clothing!”

    And this is just a personal thing, but insisting that Africa spelled with a K *must* be about that strikes me as getting uncomfortably close to insulting to all the African languages that use that same spelling as well, because it’s like saying that the language that’s spoken by white people is the only one that matters. Although I think the real issue is that Americans haven’t heard anything about South Africa since 1994, so they nothing else registers.

    Anyway, I think the conversation has moved on to more interesting things!

  79. Jess wrote:

    @EvilAngelfish

    – because 95% of the US population knows no Japanese whatsoever, so it’s pretty common that someone — even someone as aware and well-read as Latoya is– might not know. Sorry if you think I went an assumption too far, but in this case it was sort of a safe-ish one, y’know? I mean, you don’t walk up to most people and expect them to know Tagalog, Hungarian or Chinese either.

    I just thought the title of the magazine was an interesting little window into the culture, given that they used a word associated with (in my experience) puppies and children for a fashion mag. Imagine the cover of Cosmo but title “cuties” and you see what I mean.

  80. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Jess -

    If I learned *anything* from blogging here so long, it’s to never assume anything. People who are scientists/geneticists/sociologists/child psychiatrists etc. all come here and comment on what we do, as well as actors, members of the media, comic artists…it gets to the point where if I have a post and someone doesn’t drop their expertise on a subject, I’m surprised.

    That’s also why I said if you didn’t mean anything by it, no problem. I’ve got two years worth of back posts, and you wouldn’t have known about my S Cawaii addiction, my fascination – through manga – with Japanese culture, and the subsequent issues I have with appropriation and whitewashing unless you’ve been around that long.

    I am not sure that S Cawa is an accurate window into Japanese culture though. Into a sub-culture, yes. And S Cawa is not a Cosmo equivalent (especially as there is a Japanese Cosmo). S Cawa is solely a fashion mag, like the others I referenced. Women’s interest mags are a different category all together. And in terms of S Cawa, the title is really apt – everything you wear is supposed to be super cute, because you’re a super cute girl. When I bring the mag around my friends here, the thing they so most often is “That’s so cute!” in reference to the wares. So the title of S Cawaii refers more to the fashion image being sold, rather than the women in the pages. The entire magazine is about composing a cute outfit – which is why I was so dedicated.

  81. jen wrote:

    Hey y’all–M.I.A. just came out with her first fashion collection. Some of the clothes are very similar to the American Apparel Afrika line; in fact, one pair of leggings and a jacket is called “Afrika,” another “Mexico”; there’s an “Islamic hoodie” and, um, a “Watermelon hoodie.” See it here:

    http://shop.miauk.com/category/category-13409-okley-run

    Is this less offensive because M.I.A. is a person of color (Sri Lankan, to be precise)? Is her particular brand of hipster pastiche more palatable? The same?

    That said, I really like M.I.A.’s Afrika leggings.

    *hides head in shame*

  82. Jess wrote:

    @Latoya–

    I didn’t mean anything by it, and I haven’t been around long enough to know. And yeah, I know you shouldn’t assume anything and all that.

    But some of it is from my end too, I get irritated myself about the stuff people say about Japanese culture that is just so freakin’ stupid, you know? And anime fans are the worst sometimes. (Not you, just a lot of people I have met).

    I mean, I am no major expert on it either, but damn, I spent some time there, talk to my relatives and speak some, read some, know a lot of people who still work there. And the level of ignorance in this country about it is staggering. (To be fair, some of it is the language barrier — Japanese isn’t super-hard to learn but it does require a bit of lateral thinking b/c its syntax structured so differently from most European languages, and there just aren’t as many qualified teachers running around as there are for Spanish or French).

    And like I said, to me its interesting because it is a non-Western culture that approaches us as equals in a way most western white people — Americans especially –aren’t used to. And maybe that personal connection has something to do with it too. :-)