The elephant in the living room

by Guest Contributor Tami, originally published at What Tami Said

In its current issue, Greater Good magazine ponders “Are we born racist?” and in the article “Look Twice,” Susan T. Fiske, Ph.D., Eugene Higgins Professor of Psychology at Princeton University, offers some bad news and good news:

Most people think they’re less biased than average. But just as we can’t all be better than average, we can’t all be less prejudiced than average. Although the message—and the success so far—of Barack Obama’s presidential campaign suggests an America that is moving past traditional racial divisions and prejudices, it’s probably safe to assume that all of us harbor more biases than we think.

Science suggests that most of us don’t even know the half of it. A 20-year eruption of research from the field of “social neuroscience” reveals exactly how automatically and unconsciously prejudice operates. As members of a society with egalitarian ideals, most Americans have good intentions. But new research suggests our brains and our impulses all too often betray us. That’s the bad news.

But here’s the good news: More recent research shows that our prejudices are not inevitable; they are actually quite malleable, shaped by an ever-changing mix of cultural beliefs and social circumstances. While we may be hardwired to harbor prejudices against those who seem different or unfamiliar to us, it’s possible to override our worst impulses and reduce these prejudices. Doing so requires more than just good intentions; it requires broad social efforts to challenge stereotypes and get people to work together across group lines. But a vital first step is learning about the biological and psychological roots of prejudice.

Modern prejudice

Here’s the first thing to understand: Modern prejudice is not your grandparents’ prejudice.

Old-fashioned racism and sexism were known quantities because people would mostly say what they thought. Blacks were lazy; Jews were sly; women were either dumb or bitchy. Modern equivalents continue, of course—look at current portrayals of Mexican immigrants as criminals (when, in fact, crime rates in Latino neighborhoods are lower than those of other ethnic groups at comparable socioeconomic levels). Most estimates suggest such blatant and wrongheaded bigotry persists among only 10 percent of citizens in modern democracies. Blatant bias does spawn hate crimes, but these are fortunately rare (though not rare enough). At the very least, we can identify the barefaced bigots.

Our own prejudice—and our children’s and grandchildren’s prejudice, if we don’t address it—takes a more subtle, unexamined form. Neuroscience has shown that people can identify another person’s apparent race, gender, and age in a matter of milliseconds. In this blink of an eye, a complex network of stereotypes, emotional prejudices, and behavioral impulses activates. These knee-jerk reactions do not require conscious bigotry, though they are worsened by it.

An example from the article…

Research by NYU psychologist Elizabeth Phelps and her colleagues has found that even dull yearbook photographs can trigger a strong neural response. When white men in their study briefly saw pictures of unfamiliar black male faces, their brain activity spiked in a region known as the amygdala, which is involved in feelings of vigilance generally, and in the fear response specifically; the amygdala lights up when we encounter people or events we judge threatening. Several other labs, including my own, have uncovered a similar link between amygdala activity and white people’s perceptions of black faces.

Other research has uncovered more subtle forms of racial bias. In one study, neurosurgeon Alexandra Golby and her colleagues showed participants images of white and black faces. When white participants saw white faces, their brains showed more activity in a region that specializes in facial recognition than when they saw black faces; the same went for black participants when they saw black faces. For some reason, those other-race faces didn’t register as human faces in the same way that same-race faces did. Later, all participants saw a series of white and black faces, some of which were new faces and some of which were faces they’d already seen during the brain scans. Sure enough, both white and black participants proved better able to remember people of their own race.

See, this is why I am growing ever more weary of the “Race is just a social construct, why are we even talking about it?” crowd, as well as the “I don’t see race” folks. Race is indeed a social construct, but physical and cultural differences, and the biased ways that people react to them–that’s real. If we refuse to acknowledge and embrace both our similarities and differences, then how will we ever neutralize negative and biased reactions to those differences? You may call me an African American or ignore my ethnic heritage and say I am simply a human being. Both things are true. But at the end of the day, I am a brown person with curly/kinky hair, broad facial features and some specific cultural behaviors, living in an environment of people with white skin, straight hair, narrow facial features and other specific cultural behaviors. I am judged by the majority for my minority characteristics–my differences. (And I judge, too.) Not calling those differences race does not solve the problem.

Oh, and you say you don’t see race? That’s B.S. You do. We all do. Our brains are hardwired to seek out those differences. It’s what you do after you see race that makes all the difference.

Talking to these people–the ones who won’t hear one mention of the word “race”–is kind of like complaining about an elephant in my living room to someone who doesn’t believe in living rooms. I say that I can’t get this danged pachyderm out of my living room, and the other person replies that living rooms are passe; that the more functional family room is where it’s at. What thinking person would still have a living room in this day and age? And I say: But…but…I still have this elephant problem.

Our concept of race is a problem, but it is not the problem. The problem, I think, is how we view difference. And from Dr. Fiske’s report it seems we are hardwired to disdain what we perceive as different. So, what do we do? More importantly, how can we ensure that future generations learn to judge others by the content of their character and not the color of their skin, or their accent, or their economic status, or their sexuality, or their ability? The Greater Good article offers hope:

Fortunately, research has also indicated which kinds of social conditions can reduce prejudice. For instance, a long line of my previous research indicates that putting people on the same team helps to overcome prejudices over time. In one study, my former student Steve Neuberg and I found that study participants had negative feelings toward a schizophrenic patient recently discharged from a mental institution—unless they were told they’d have to work with him for a chance to win a significant monetary prize. Then they noticed and judged him more by his own unique, individual traits, not by the traits associated with his stigmatized group.

Our results echo the famous “Robbers Cave” experiment led by Muzafer Sherif, a founder of social psychology. Sherif brought two groups of boys to separate parts of a campground and encouraged each group to bond as a team, not telling them about the other group at first. But as both groups became aware of the other one, a fierce rivalry developed between them. Yet Sherif and his colleagues soon posed a series of challenges to the groups that neither could solve without the help of the other. As they started to work together, their old tensions dissipated and they bonded across group lines.

These findings are part of a long line of research supporting what’s known as the Contact Hypothesis, which states that under the right conditions, contact between members of different groups can reduce conflicts and prejudices. Decades of school desegregation research support this idea, as documented by University of California, Santa Cruz, professor emeritus Thomas Pettigrew and University of Massachusetts, Amherst, psychologist Linda Tropp.

Pettigrew and Tropp have found that school integration can in fact reduce prejudice among students from different groups, but simply placing these students together isn’t enough to get them to see each other as individuals and shed their prejudices. We must also try to help them share common goals, on which they must cooperate to succeed; ensure that they’re treated as equals and have positive, noncompetitive interactions with one another; and feel like their cross-group relationship has the support of authority figures. The more of these factors in place, the more likely people are to overcome their biases. This has proven to be true not only in schools but in a variety of other social institutions, from the military to public housing projects. Our biases are not so hardwired after all, given the right social engineering.

So, it seems as if the solution may be togetherness: living together, working together, playing together, etc. It is a pity that most of our lives remain so racially segregated.

Read the entire article, “Look Twice.”

This issue of Greater Good also includes other articles on race, including “Double Blood” by Rebecca Walker, which explores the specific prejudice faced by biracial children and adults.

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    [...] The Elephant in the Living Room  |  Racialicious Race is indeed a social construct, but physical and cultural differences, and the biased ways that people react to them–that’s real. If we refuse to acknowledge and embrace both our similarities and differences, then how will we ever neutralize negative and biased reactions to those differences? [...]

Comments

  1. s.willz wrote:

    well written.

  2. Phrone wrote:

    Very interesting study, very thorough coverage! I really liked the living room analogy — I’d never thought of it that way, but it does make sense.

    And I’m glad that the author stressed that interaction alone is not enough. From my experience, without a deeper understanding and an impetus to work together, people just reproduce their own stereotypes within a group setting.

  3. Renee wrote:

    Oh, and you say you don’t see race? That’s B.S. You do. We all do. Our brains are hardwired to seek out those differences. It’s what you do after you see race that makes all the difference.

    This is a great piece of truth. We cannot deny difference even though it is all a social construction. It is about the weight or value that we apply to difference that counts. If we can say that black and white are different but equal it allows for acknowledgment of our shared humanity.

  4. Tony wrote:

    Something I’m wondering reading the bit about the brain scans, is where the people grew up.

    What I mean is, it’s inevitable we view what we grew up around as ‘normal’, and have a different response to those we didn’t (Atleast on a basic, brainscan, level)

    If you grow up in a predominantly monoracial area (whether you or of that race or not) it’s only logical your brain will be able to better map out and remember the specifics of that race.

    And another race, which you don’t have as much experience with, will provoke other reactions.

    We are all more comfortable with what we grew up with, both racially, culturally and morally.
    This is why (I think) that same “fear reaction” could easily pop up if you showed a white conservative a picture of a white punk or goth.

    It doesn’t necessarily have to be “They’re another race, so I am afraid”
    It could be “They are not the same group I usually hang around, so I am afraid”

    ( Just saying I think the study should include more variables than just race to get a better picture of what precisely causes the fear reaction)

  5. Galang wrote:

    The portion of the article that interested me the most was the discussion of facial recognition amongst races. I feel like I gave a living example of it just the other day, I was ashamed when I initially mistook a black man on my bus for another black man I’d briefly met a month or so earlier. I’m terrible with faces anyway, but the first thought that came to mind was to accuse myself, “What, do you think they all look alike?” To read that there may be some kind of neuroscientific basis for such a misunderstanding is surprising to me, but intriguing.

    I think the best line in this column was this: “It’s what you do after you see race that makes all the difference.”

  6. ML wrote:

    Isn’t the ability to recognize human faces a skill that newborn babies have because they are so dependent on care of other humans to survive. I wonder if they’ve done these tests on biracial people specifically, or children raised in an adoptive environment where everyone is another race. Would they also perceive same-race faces differently? Or is it that we are most skilled at reading faces that look like those we saw as babies?

    Not questioning the truth of the article’s points, just curious about this. It’s moot because most people are raised by the same race so the issue remains.

  7. crogirl wrote:

    Very good post. To take it down a side path, I’d like to learn more about the “Robbers Cave’ experiment; specifically, I’d like to learn more about human tendencies to “belong” to something and how this ties into the prejudices we hold. As noted above, once the boys learned there was another group, they developed rivalries. This can expand into how gangs are formed, and how groups of people develop rivalries with others on a social/cultural/geographic level. But I’d love to learn more about why humans tend to feel a need to belong, to associate themselves with a group in the first place. If anyone knows of any books/websites/etc., please share!

  8. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    blahhhhh.

    I VOTE THAT WE ALL DYE OUR SKIN A NICE DAY-GLO BRIGHT NEON COLOR.

    I’ve always thought people with day-glo neon skin are hot, but sadly, none exist.

  9. Sara Anderson wrote:

    A lot of this jives with my own feelings about racism being rooted most often in unthinking actions and assumptions rather than a deep, boiling hatred – when I’ve found myself thinking something that I later realized was racist, I’ve noticed it when I realized that it was always an extremely dumb thing to think.

  10. Ismone wrote:

    Tony,

    I’ve always wondered the same thing! Since I grew up in a predominantly white and asian area, and one of my friends grew up in an area that was asian and latin@, (I’m white and she’s asian), I’ve wondered if she and I would be just as good as identifying people outside of our ethnic group from ethnic groups that we grew up with as identifying people within our own groups.

    I wonder what my “fear reaction” would be to goths (I’ve known quite a few) say compared to the “fear reaction” of someone who does not. Or compared to my reaction to unfamiliar groups. (Can’t think of one offhand).

  11. Brandon wrote:

    I loved everything Greater Good had to say. It fits right in with the “get real” approach to race you see here at this blog.

    I think that many well-meaning Americans, and especially white Americans, think that even seeing or acknowledging race and racial differences is akin to prejudice. They maybe got the simplistic message that prejudice is not OK, and so here we are, mired in a state of race denial. All this talk about how we’re in some sort of “post-racial” society frightens me to the core.

    I can’t help but think of Colbert and how he continually milks the joke about how he doesn’t see color. It’s funny because we all know people who are in such a state of self-denial.

    There’s an interesting documentary that’s very hard to find called The Color of Fear. Basically, the film’s premise is locking eight guys of different races into a room to have an honest discussion. One of the white men is one of America’s color-blind all-stars, and he wants to know why people of non-white minority races can’t just see what we all have in common. The conversations that follow are some of the most riveting and honest moments I have ever seen in film.

    I don’t know where I’m going with this. I do civil rights work with kids, though… and everything I saw in Greater Good and everything I read here, while I don’t always agree with it, inspires me to get out and do great work.

    And how do we do great work? By addressing the issues… thanks for all you do.

  12. Alyssa wrote:

    @Tony That’s a good point. It would be very interesting to see how the brain reacts toward other groups that that individual does not belong (and is not connected to race). It would also be interesting to see how the brain of a person who is not the same race as their family reacts to each group. For example, if a black person was adopted to a white family (or vice versa) would the child react in fear to the other race or not? And as ML states how to biracial people react? I hope they do a lot more of these studies.

    This reaffirms my belief that we are biologically predisposed to be racist. We are social beings that thousands of years ago were part of tribes. With a limited amount of food and shelter it makes sense that those tribes would fight with eachother for resources in order to survive.
    Now we live in a much larger world. Through things like farming, we have learned how to make our resources much larger, so there is no need to fight for them. We live in a society where it is in our best interest to get along with other cultures and races. Unfortunatly, biology evolves a lot slower than culture. So our culture expects us to get along people who don’t look like us, but our biology is programmed to do the opposite. We as humans are definatly capable of overcomming our biology, but it’s not easy. It will definatly take a lot of work on all sides. Thank you to Racialicious for being a part in the effort of overcomming one part of our biology that is outdated.

  13. Eva wrote:

    I was taught in college that infants and children up to a certain age cannot identify people by color but they can identify them by facial characteristics. My psychology professor who was white had a beard and he once told us that when he son was about one or two years old, he’d call every man with a beard “daddy” no matter what color the man was.

  14. C-Marsh wrote:

    @ Tony and Alyssa

    The study basically boils down to in-group out-group biases.

    In group bias is the notion that when we identify as apart of a particular group in which we have something invested, we are better able to identify distinctions within our own group. You can identify differences among your group members, i.e. You do not think that everyone looks the same.

    Out-group bias is when you do not identify with a particular group of people, so it is more likely that you will not be able to identify the differences among their group members. You view the out-group as a homogenized group who all look/act the same, i.e., the “all Asian people look alike” phrase.

    I’m sure there would be similar spikes in brain activity when presented with pictures of those in the out-group.

    @ Alyssa

    “This reaffirms my belief that we are biologically predisposed to be racist. We are social beings that thousands of years ago were part of tribes. With a limited amount of food and shelter it makes sense that those tribes would fight with eachother for resources in order to survive. “

    People are not inherently racist. Racism is something that is learned, like all prejudices. We all are born with the ability to create social schemas, but the interpretation of that encoded data is learned from society. We are able to challenge images and replace learned stereotypes with more accurate and positive information, but the notion that we are all born racist undermines that fact that most people are influenced by racist images. People of Color can harbor racist feelings against other people of color, even those within their own race. If racism was simply biological then we would have very little social responsibility to rectify inequality based on race.

    Please do not buy in to the faulty logic that racism is a biological phenomenon. That was actually one of the tactics used to justify chattel slavery, Jim Crow, etc. in America. Inferiority was legitimized by “science” and the rest is history…

  15. Mammith wrote:

    @Alyssa I don’t believe we are biologically predestined to be racist, though I am interested in a lot of these findings.

    I think it is more along the lines of the group you were raised into as a child, most people are raised in monoracial groups and probably from birth develop the sort of things outlined in this study.

    Like some people have said, I’d like to see a very diverse pool of people being studied (biracial and multiracial people, people raised in very diverse neighborhoods, people in very monoracial neighborhoods, etc) before I could draw any definite conclusions.

  16. Julienne wrote:

    @ C-Marsh

    Wow…I was just about to post about in-group and out-group bias, but you took the words right out of my mouth. Well-said.

    @crogirl

    “I’d like to learn more about the Robbers Cave experiment”

    Here is a chapter in a book written by psychologist Muzafer Sherif that goes into greater depth about the Robber’s Cave experiment. See Chapter 20 (pages 245-252)

    http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=kB19aJKJLoEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA245&dq=m+sherif+1954&ots=trhE6p2G8z&sig=StN4OfWZyMUjPIvX4-YR1gUGCpY#PPA252,M1

    This study and the article in Greater Good magazine are based on the ideas of in-group and out-group bias. This can apply to race, gender, religion, country, what school you attend, sports team, etc and like you said gangs and rivalries. Sherif demonstrates in the Robber’s Cave experiment how easily these biases can be created.

    “I’d love to learn more about why humans tend to feel a need to belong, to associate themselves with a group in the first place. ”

    One person who touches on human’s need to belong, is psychologist Abraham Maslow. He says not all of our needs are created equal and that we first satisfy our biological needs first (survival and safety). We then proceed to satisfy our emotional needs, which include our need to belong. Here is a brief explanation and diagram (http://www.ruralhealth.utas.edu.au/comm-lead/leadership/Maslow-Diagram.htm). This theory makes sense at first, but there are some common human behaviors that violate his theory, such as someone living without heat or electricity in order to pay for school or something.

  17. Alyssa wrote:

    Please understand when I say that we biologacally predisposed to be racist, I’m not making an excuse for racism. I’m just noting that it will take a lot of work to overcome racism. (Ignoring it and acting like it doesn’t exist does not change a thing.) Even thogh a guy’s body reacts to seeing a really hot woman on the street, does not give him permission to act on that biology by clubbing her and and taking her home. The same goes for racism. Just because your brain reacts in a certian way, does not give you the right to act on that impulse. I have mentioned that we can overcome our biology through our culture, and I holehartedly believe that we can and should. The example of the man seeing a hot woman on the street and not clubbing her is one of many examples of how we ignore our biology becasue our culture demands that we do.

    Yes I do understand that this is a “in group” “out group” construct. But isn’t that exactly what racism is? Person A sees Person B and decides (based on skin color, facial features, hair) that Person B is part/not part of his/her group. Based on that information alone, Person A makes a ton of assumptions about Person B. Those assumptions (true or not) determine how Person A will treat person B. I really don’t understand how racism is not part of this “in group” vs. “out group” phenomenon.

  18. C-Marsh wrote:

    @ Alyssa
    I think we are misunderstanding each other and race is difficult to dissect and often takes a lot of time to do so. I’m willing to stick this one out if you are. Care to go phrase by phrase with me?

    1. “Please understand when I say that we biologacally predisposed to be racist, I’m not making an excuse for racism.
    I disagree with the idea that we have a biological predisposition to be racist. Babies are not born thinking “I hate Black people.” Race along with racism is something that is learned. It is almost an exclusively social phenomenon. I think by referring to biological, you may be referring to the way in which our phenotypes manifest regarding skin color, hair texture, etc. In that sense, I agree. There is a biological component to race; however, there is no biological component to racism.

    2. “I’m just noting that it will take a lot of work to overcome racism. (Ignoring it and acting like it doesn’t exist does not change a thing.)”
    You are absolutely correct. It will take an extreme amount of work to overcome racism, along with all of the other isms that plague the world. I am not one to advocate ignoring problems and acting like they do not exist. “Race” exists! As arbitrary as it is, it still exists.
    3. “Even thogh a guy’s body reacts to seeing a really hot woman on the street, does not give him permission to act on that biology by clubbing her and and taking her home. The same goes for racism. Just because your brain reacts in a certian way, does not give you the right to act on that impulse.”
    Again, I completely agree with you. The body does have physical responses to particular stimuli and that does not give people to right to act on those impulses. Reading your comment again helps me understand what you mean when you say we are biologically wired to be racist (I think). Are you saying that because we have certain impulses to react, that are biology encourages us to react? If so, I would agree. At times, are bodies encouraged us to react; however, I would argue that society has a great deal in tailoring our reactions. Most of us still strive to react in socially acceptable ways regardless of our biological urges. So, with racism we have to acknowledge that we all fall victim to racist images. The crime is not thinking racist stereotypes, but not actively correcting or changing those ill informed thoughts. That’s the where sites like this and people like us can help guide conversation to have people challenge the images and messages they encode.
    4. “Yes I do understand that this is a “in group” “out group” construct. But isn’t that exactly what racism is? Person A sees Person B and decides (based on skin color, facial features, hair) that Person B is part/not part of his/her group. Based on that information alone, Person A makes a ton of assumptions about Person B. Those assumptions (true or not) determine how Person A will treat person B. I really don’t understand how racism is not part of this “in group” vs. “out group” phenomenon”

    What you just described was exactly my point (I apologize for not making that more clear.) Racism operates as a type of in-group vs. out-group bias. The promising aspect is that the example you illustrate does not have to always happen, (“Based on that information alone, Person A makes a ton of assumptions about Person B. Those assumptions (true or not) determine how Person A will treat person B”). It is true that people will rely on experience when introduced to most situations as a mechanism for preparation. This function is actually key to our survival. With that, the next step is that we need to supplement that experience with new experience. By doing so, we can allow ourselves to develop more accurate depictions of people rather than strictly stereotyped versions.

    This too gets tricky because not all stereotypes are made out of thin air. And there will also be people who have only experienced the people who reflect stereotypical images. The challenge is to remind ourselves that statistically speaking no small group of people can be representative of an entire population. As logical as we like to think that we are, we are designed and socialized to operate on autopilot. That’s why it’s so difficult for us to filter our thought process. It takes effort. That also speaks to privileges. Privileged/powerful groups have the privilege of not thinking about what someone with less privilege/power has to deal with.

    Overall, I think that we both are on the same page, but were having difficulty understanding one another. I hope this post was clearer than the last one. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

  19. C-Marsh wrote:

    Sorry…sentence 12 under number 3 should read

    “At times, our bodies encourage us to react.”

  20. CVT wrote:

    If you are even REMOTELY interested by this, here’s a must-read:
    “Us and Them: Understanding our Tribal Mind” by David Berreby

    It covers some of what’s mentioned here, with some more specific explanations about why and how it all goes down. Definitely perspective-changing.

  21. Alyssa wrote:

    @C-Marsh: Thank you for responding rather than just brushing my comments off. I think you are right, we are mostly on the same page; just the semantics are different.
    1. I agree babies are not thinking I hate black/white people. But I do believe that we have a tendency to prefer (and thus associate) people who look like us. Until we have more studies like the one referenced in this article, we can’t know if this preference is due to nature or nurture. I happen to believe that it is our biology that makes us prefer people who look like ourselves. (I think this is just a simple matter of our biology hasn’t caught up to our culture yet).
    2. We are on the same page.
    3. “Are you saying that because we have certain impulses to react, that are biology encourages us to react?” Yes.
    “At times, are bodies encouraged us to react; however, I would argue that society has a great deal in tailoring our reactions.” I completely agree. We have two things that guide our behavior, our biology and our culture. Unfortunately, our biology evolves slowly and we end up with things like I described in number one. But our culture evolves much more quickly and can override our biological impulses. (This is a whole topic of its own, and is off topic for this particular blog- if you want me to explain, just ask and I’ll make a post about it on my own blog.) The fact that we can overcome our biology though culture is what separates us from the animals. It is a loss of humanity to say that we shouldn’t worry about racism because it is part of our biology.
    4. I probably should have mentioned this in the last post. The thing that makes racism (and sexism) special in the “in group”/ “out group” construct is that a) we can’t take off the thing that marks us as the other. When going to a job interview, we can’t rid ourselves of our race as we can our punk uniform. And b) it is immediately recognizable. If someone sees your skin tone is dark, they immediately assign you the marginalized group. If you are atheist or homosexual people usually assume you are not unless you tell them or they are specifically looking for clues for “otherness”. Racism is the same as any other “in group” / “out group” scenario with the caveat that we aren’t ever given a break from it.
    4 (the rest of it): “statistically speaking no small group of people can be representative of an entire population” It’s funny, I was listening to This American Life this morning and the host said this exact thing. I completely agree. You are right. The only way to overcome these stereotypes is to remember our brains are flawed. Our brains say Person A was X, then all people that are part of that group are X. We have to remember that people aren’t that simple. We have to show people who believe stereotypes that there are plenty of examples that break the stereotype. And we have to have all groups (both marginalized and privileged) take part in trying to change perceptions.

  22. magda wrote:

    @Alyssa, C-Marsh
    I actually think Alyssa’s man-seeing-hot-woman analogy is actually fairly appropriate, but not for the same reason. Like our reaction to race, our sexuality is also shaped by culture and society. For example, feral children are unable to understand or participate in sexual behaviors. Our culture not only teaches us how to behave around someone we find sexually attractive, it shapes who/what we should find sexually attractive and how we should feel when we see those people/qualities. My point is that Alyssa’s analogy actually disproves her point about racial prejudice being biologically based.

  23. magda wrote:

    Edit: By feral children, I also meant human adults who were feral children. I know that these are extreme cases, but I do think they can teach us a lot about the nature vs. nurture debate.

  24. Chairo wrote:

    Interesting study.
    Being black and living in a diverse part of a major city I’ve found that the groups I’ve been in have always been “diverse”. I use the word “diverse” as this in the context of this discourse is synonymous with “being of different races”. We don’t pretend we’re all the same, but most of our interests/lifestyles/hobbies/aspirations are very similar.

    I can see that for people of my parent’s generation the desire to cling to your “race” is far more compelling than it is for my generation. All the friends i know, have best friends who aren’t the same race as they are. We didnt all get together and decide to do this, it just happened.
    Sometimes when i see groups of people where everyone’s the same race, i start to think, sometimes over-think. I find it strange the idea of being friends with only people who look just like me. I can imagine the inverse being true for many other city dwellers.

    I definitely think that a lot of people don’t feel very motivated to do anything about the ugly impulses they’ll feel. Society doesn’t do enough to repel this, instead it inspires a lot of this ugly thinking

  25. babybro wrote:

    @ Chairo

    I thought I was the only one lol. I was thinking, if I was part of the test, I would seem like an enigma. Because my group of friends are very diverse lol. I was also in the same shoes as you regarding only having friends of the same race. I was originally raised in detroit and only had black friends. But it felt like something was missing. Like I was so secluded from the rest of the part of the USA.

    I was very fortunate to have the chance to move to san diego and immediately I realized what I was missing. To me, it just felt so much more natural to have a diverse group of friends. Because to me, that’s how I always picture what the USA was suppose to be. Like my best friend is a white female, and she’s like my big sister. Blood or race be damned. She literally interrogated my gf at the time (wife now) to make sure she wasn’t going to hurt me. That’s how close we are.

    So overall, I do not think the society is the sole reason behind racism. I also think it depends upon the person as well, and how open they are or want to be with other races. Because I was raised around nothing but black people, yet I personally felt as if I was missing something.

  26. Barbara wrote:

    I find it interesting how something like this can go both ways. On the one hand, we can say “Look, we do (insert damaging thing here) because our brains work that way. Nothin’ we can do about it!” Or we can say “Look we do (insert damaging thing here) because our brains work that way. Now that I know this, I can examine it, determine if it’s helpful or hurtful or myself and my community and look for ways to work with it or get a handle on it.”

    What I wonder is: How do we get people from the first thought to the second?

  27. C-Marsh wrote:

    @ Alyssa,

    Here are the two points that I would like to address:

    1. “I agree babies are not thinking I hate black/white people. But I do believe that we have a tendency to prefer (and thus associate) people who look like us. Until we have more studies like the one referenced in this article, we can’t know if this preference is due to nature or nurture. I happen to believe that it is our biology that makes us prefer people who look like ourselves. (I think this is just a simple matter of our biology hasn’t caught up to our culture yet).

    2. “We have two things that guide our behavior, our biology and our culture. Unfortunately”

    Like we’ve both said before, we are definitely mostly in agreement. I just think that we are coming at the same issue with different perspectives. It is extremely difficult for me to subscribe to the notion that our biology is an explanation for why we engage in particular behaviors. I will concede that our biology does play in a role, but I am not willing to say that it plays a greater role than any other factor. My framework of choice is the Biopsychosocial model. You had it almost right when you said that our biology and culture guide our behavior, but I would also add our psychology into the mix. I think that it is important that we consider as many driving factors as we can. I must admit that I generally prefer social explanations to behavior rather than biological because my degree is in social psych (race relations, inequality, discrimination, etc.), so I am more versed in social explanations. I am open to hearing your thoughts about biology because it is a side that I have not explored as much as I probably should have (The Book Us and Them that CVT recommended looks like it may be interesting). Then again, from an experience in college I find that we are socialized to consider biological factors more than social ones when discussing human behavior. Psychology, especially social psychology (and sociology) are still fighting to be considered “real” sciences (which is a completely different conversation).

    I too used to believe that our biology was a main component of why people were they way they were. I took a sociology course my sophomore year in College, Sex and Culture. I went into the class with the idea that homosexuality was more biological than social (which still may be the case). I thought that it made complete sense that Gay people could not control who they found attractive. After taking this class, my perspective changed completely. The true test for my biological theory came when we explored the sexual behaviors of other cultures. My biology theory didn’t hold up outside of U.S. culture. We studied the behaviors of a New Guinea tribe, the Sambia.

    Sambia link: http://www.paedosexualitaet.de/ethno/sambia.html

    This tribe believed that Men were born with a life force called jurungde (sp?) that manifested in the male sperm. They believed that the only way a boy could become a man was to ingest the jurungde, which meant that boys had to suck the penis of the older men in order to become men. The interesting component was that there was a case of this one boy who refused to engage in this ritual and he was considered a “sissy.” That class completely opened my eyes to the extent which human behavior is predicated by cultural and societal influences.

    Another culture that you can check out would be the Kathoey in Thailand. Really interesting!! Kathoey link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey

    Since that class, I have better been able to identify things in American culture that socialize our behaviors to conform to set gender roles. For instance when a male babies were born they used to be wrapped in blue blankets and girls in pink blankets. Small instances like these happen continually, so we are subconsciously socialized to like and emulate the things that society deems appropriate. Biology also doesn’t account for individuals who are inter-sexed or hermaphroditic, society does. Society calls them weird or genetic mutations, when in fact there is a significant amount of people who are biologically born this way.

    Inter-sexed link: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

    With that being said, please do not take my scrutiny to mean that I am not open. I will just need a lot of convincing.

    The biology argument is unable to explain a lot of phenomena. It does not explain interracial relationships, fetishism (i.e. asiaphiles), and most importantly it makes a generalization that there is no phenotypic diversity within a racial group. There is actually more genetic variation within a racial group than there is between racial groups. So, I would have more in common (genetically) with a white stranger than I would my own brother (maybe more like a stranger who is the same race as me, but you get the point). People within a race come in all different shades, shapes, and sizes, so I would argue that a biological explanation would not be plausible.

    I understand that sexuality and race are not exactly congruent, but I would argue that they share a lot of key elements as far as societal influence. I think that relying solely on biology, (which you are NOT doing at all), limits the extent to which people examine social and psychological influences. I also feel that when people (not you) say that biology is a greater influence than anything else it is an easier battle to fight. I think it makes it easier for people to excuse behavior at times. I think that we should continue to fight to get people to accept one another regardless of biology or not. Using biology allows people to rationalize their personal views by viewing marginalized groups as victims. “Oh, he was born gay. It’s not his fault.” What if a person isn’t hardwired to be gay, but rather was socialized to be gay or even simply chooses to be gay. Shouldn’t it still be acceptable? Explaining something and excusing something is a thin line to walk, but I just feel like we always attempt to justify our behavior with a biological explanation rather than looking at the social or psychological components. We often hear “Blacks are born to be Great athletes” rather than “Many Blacks become great athletes because sports are almost a sole source of advancement in many poor Black communities.”

    Like you said, it has not been proven either way which factor has the most bearing on determining race, sexuality, etc., but I think that it is fair if we also look at what is typically overlooked by most people. And also, because we don’t know for sure, I will accept that there are competing factors that influence behavior simultaneously and all of those should be analyzed.

  28. Slush wrote:

    Try these tests, if you like, and then you can read about what the researchers conclude from them:

    https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/

  29. C-Marsh wrote:

    @ Slush

    Good Ole IATs. They’ve never let me down before. :P .

  30. Jack D. wrote:

    Lurking beneath the complexity of our human brains lies a truly base animal nature. The effort to recognize those tendencies and rise above them — rather than embrace them as an excuse to harm others — is what brings us closer to God.

  31. Slush wrote:

    @C-Marsh

    I have a hypothesis that people with more lopsided results watch more television, or have watched more in their lives. Which isn’t to say other factors aren’t important and relevant, but it seems like that could be a big one.

  32. emjaybee wrote:

    Like an earlier poster, I can say that yeah…I have sometimes had trouble not mistaking persons of other races for each other. Not at all proud of this, and it happens much more with people I know casually than those I know well. But still, I get frustrated with myself.

    I am not sure how to change my programming, because I’m not sure how to reprogram my brain to go past a group of “racial” characteristics to look for more individual differences when scanning a new face (without staring at people disturbingly, ha). Probably just a matter of exposure, and it probably would have helped a lot if there were more diviersity in the faces that surrounded me as I grew up.

    But it does help a little to know I have this problem partly because of biology. Like other posters, I would love more research on what things tend to reduce this tendency.

  33. C-Marsh wrote:

    @ Slush

    I suspect the same. I wonder if you could manipulate it even more with priming. Perhaps take a baseline measure of the IAT score and then see if there is any change after the participants have just finished watching t.v.?