Female, Muslim, and Mutant: A Critique of Muslim Women in Comic Books - Part 1 of 2

Dust

by Guest Contributor Jehanzeb Dar, originally published at Broken Mystic

BAKWA, AFGHANISTAN – A convoy of jeeps packed with turban-clad and bearded Taliban militia roar through the rocky streets of a small Afghan town. The engines slowly die down as the militiamen hop off their vehicles and prepare to unleash havoc and raid homes

But something unusual mystifies them and halts their extremist fervor. An ominous silence fills the town, as if it were a strange pause in reality. They ponder, “Has the town been abandoned?” The silence is interrupted by the desert wind blowing against curtains and flags, while startling the braying animals.The radicals soon realize: the wind is not alone.

A female voice emerges from gusts of sand and warns the Taliban to turn back.The leader becomes infuriated and threatens to burn the entire town to the ground if the people don’t come out of hiding. The invisible entity replies as her voice steps closer and closer to the militia, “[the town] is under my protection. Leave before you get a demonstration of what that means.” The leader is not intimidated and asks what will happen if he does not retreat.

“I’ll rip the skin from your bones,” answers the wind.

Infused with arrogance, the Taliban scoffs, “I would truly like to see that.”

Immediately, the gust of sand swirls into a tornado and swallows the leader’s hand and disarms him of his assault rifle. The sandstorm retracts while the Taliban leader screams in pain and looks at his skeletal hand in horror. Finally, the Taliban rush to their jeeps and speed off from the town. The desert wind and sand transform to reveal the city’s invisible hero.

Meet “Dust,” or Sooraya Qadir, a burqa-garbed adolescent Afghan girl who has the ability, as shown in the scene above, to shape into sandstorms and tear the skin off her enemies. She has been a member of Marvel Comic’s X-Men since her first appearance in 2002 and she currently appears regularly in the “Young X-Men” comic books.

In the male-dominated world of comic books where female characters are depicted with large breasts and skimpy skin-tight (or lack of) clothing, it’s interesting to examine whether or not Dust and other Muslim super-heroines escape the sexual objectification and sexism that women often suffer in comic books. Are the Muslim women subjected to stereotypes? Are they doomed to the same fate of other female characters? Does the “male gaze” still apply? In Part 1 of this essay, these are but a few questions that we will apply to the character of Dust, and as we shall learn, the answers are fairly complex. In Part 2, we will explore other Muslim female characters where unfortunately, there is hardly any improvement.

In regards to Dust, the “X-Men” is the perfect place to accommodate a Muslim character. X-Men fans, or those who have seen the films, already know that the storyline centralizes on how mutants – evolved and “gifted” humans with superpowers – are discriminated against by other human beings. Mutants are misunderstood, feared, and hated by the public, while the media and government powers promote ignorance, persecution, and even war upon them.

Sound familiar?

Recall the opening scene from X-Men 2 when a mind-controlled Nightcrawler nearly assassinates the President of the United States and the television headlines scream: “Mutants Attack the White House.” I remember when I first saw that scene I couldn’t help but think of September 11th. What made me relate even more to the scene was how the X-Men – mutants who had absolutely nothing to do with the attack – were crowded around the television and watching this news report and feeling as if they were responsible. X-Men producer Lauren Shuler Donner even explicitly stated on the DVD for X-Men 2, “If there is any oppressed minority—homosexual, religious, Muslim, whatever it is – that is the most absurd question that people do ask: ‘Can you try not to be who you are?’ And so we felt it was very important to show this whole absurd side.” So considering how relevant “X-Men” is to current events, how does Dust fit in at Professor Xavier’s Institute for Gifted Youngsters?

Grant Morrison, the X-Men writer who created Dust, said in an interview, “It can only happen at Marvel. As Wolverine comes closer to unlocking the dark secrets of his past, an Afghan Muslim mutant joins the X-Men. You want daring? You want different? Then meet Dust as New X-Men challenges the rules again.” Though the word “awesome” may initially spring to mind when one reads this statement, it can be strongly argued that the male gaze is still in effect. For those who are unfamiliar with the terminology, the “male gaze” is essentially female characters being depicted and presented in ways their heterosexual male writers, artists, and audiences would like to see them. In the case of Dust, we can make an argument for the western male gaze: an “oppressed” Muslim girl is rescued from Afghanistan by Wolverine, a western male mutant. Wolverine is told that the Taliban were trying to remove Dust’s burqa, obviously to molest her, and since there doesn’t seem to be other Muslims around to take a stand against the Taliban’s perverted behavior, who better to rescue her than Wolverine, or shall I say, western democracy? The scenario of Dust fighting the Taliban, as admirable as it is, occurs enough times in later issues that it makes one question if this is how western male writers, artists, and readers want to see a Muslim super-heroine, i.e. to rebel against her oppressors, the mutual enemy of the U.S. government?

To support this argument even further, there are many factors to consider, including political context. For example, Dust makes her first appearance in New X-Men # 133 which was published in December 2002, a little over a year after September 11th, 2001. In the issue prior to her debut (issue # 132), Morrison writes a tribute to the victims of Genosha, a fictional mutant homeland, where 16 million mutants were killed. There were two direct references to September 11th used in Marvel’s advertising of the comic book, calling the Genosha tragedy “the X-Men’s own 9/11.” The final page of the comic book shows the X-Men team crying at their loss. Next month, in issue # 133, we open to a full page of Wolverine slaughtering Taliban militants. Maybe I missed something, but the last time I checked, super-heroes don’t kill their enemies, no matter how destructive or deadly. I suppose Muslim radicals are exceptions! Even worse, we see Pakistani terrorists hijacking an Air-India plane while Professor Xavier and Jean Grey are aboard. Xavier uses his psychic abilities to convince the Pakistani hijacker, whose name happens to be Muhammad, to put down his weapon and surrender to the Indian authorities. Muhammad begins to cry and as he is arrested, he says, “It’s true, I don’t know what I’m doing with my life!” Morrison takes revenge on Muslim extremists by (1) brutally slaughtering them (via Wolverine) and (2) passively using mind tricks on them (via Xavier), and the best part is that he gets to (3) rescue an “oppressed” Afghan Muslim adolescent girl and take her home (via Wolverine again)!

Well, almost “home.” Wolverine carries Dust back to an X-Men headquarters in India – no X-Men headquarters in Muslim countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan, I take it – where Jean Grey kindly encourages Dust to reveal herself from concealment. “It’s ok, Sooraya,” Jean says, “You can turn back into human form now.” Finally, Dust appears in her black burqa saying “Toorab! Toorab!” Wolverine remarks, “It means ‘dust.’ It’s all she says.” Wow, the Arabic word for dust, “toorab,” is all she says? How cute! Not only does Morrison introduce us to a super-powered Muslim girl, but also to somewhat of a doll that exclaims “Toorab! Toorab!” whenever she gets excited about transforming back into human form. I can just picture Wolverine’s conversation with her while flying to India: “So kid, what’s your story?”

“Toorab! Toorab!”

She reminds me of those hooded Jawa creatures from “Star Wars” who live on the desert planet of Tatooine, always bustling around and saying the same things over and over again in their alien language.

We not only see a political slant here, which in turn justifies the western male gaze, we also see a female Muslim character that doesn’t have much of a personality. Morrison doesn’t even return to her character after this issue; instead he hands her over to other writers, but perhaps for the better, since they make significant improvements (which I will discuss later). Another thing is in play here and that’s male dependency, something that I discussed in a previous essay of mine, “The Objectification of Women in Graphic Novels.” Although one could argue that Wolverine is practically an indestructible character with his adamantium skeleton and rapid healing factor, it’s hard to believe why Dust would need any rescuing, considering her superpowers and her human enemies. If she was being recruited, the situation would be different and we wouldn’t see any sign of male dependency, but since we see a man rescue her, we assume that Dust’s superpowers are inferior: she is not nearly as powerful as male characters like Wolverine. We have seen female characters rely on their male counterparts in comic books many times before: Super Girl, Bat Girl, Spider Girl, the Huntress, She Hulk, Lois Lane, and so on. What’s important to look at here is that there is not a single positive male Muslim character in Dust’s debut issue – there are the Taliban militants that want to molest her and there are the Pakistani hijackers – but the Muslim women, who Morrison couldn’t possibly kill off since they’re “victims” in the Muslim world, are innocent, good, and “crying for freedom,” therefore they must be “saved” by western men. The racism and sexism work hand-in-hand.

Dust would not make her next appearance until January 2005 in New X-Men: Academy X # 2, where she is officially a member of the mutant team. This time under the authorship of Nunzio DeFilippis and his wife Christina Weir, Dust is explored more and begins to develop into a three-dimensional character. However, stereotypes about Muslim women arise, as does the great Islamic dress code debate. The topic on hijaabs, niqaabs, and burqas is not only controversial among Muslims and non-Muslims, but also among Muslims themselves! Perhaps, it would be no exaggeration to say that this issue is more debated within the Muslim community than outside. In any case, I understand the sensitivity of this matter, so I will offer a hopefully balanced perspective.

In issue # 2, Dust meets her roommate, Surge, who wears a tight tank top and pink shorts that are seemingly slipping down her waist. Provocative lyrics play from her boom box: “Yeah I drive naked through the park, and run the stop sign in the dark…” Surge is immediately hostile towards Dust because of the way she dresses. “So you don’t like my music, huh?” she says. Dust responds shyly and explains she doesn’t understand American music. Surge replies, “Yeah whatever, and speaking of things we don’t understand, is that outfit you’re wearing actually a burqa?” Dust tries to explain, but Surge interrupts and says wearing a burqa is shameful to women and makes them “subservient to men.” Dust replies politely, “no, the burqa is about modesty. There are boys and men on campus, and it is not right for me to show off by exposing myself or flesh to them.” Surge snaps back, “Are you saying I show too much flesh?” Again, Dust politely tries to explain, “No I do not judge the way you dress, I only ask that you do the same for me.” Surge walks to the door and says, “You do judge me… I don’t need to be lectured by someone who’s setting women back fifty years just by walking around like that.” Surge leaves the room and slams the door, leaving Dust dejected and discouraged.

No matter what your stance is on the burqa or the headscarf (hijaab), it is clear that this scene puts Dust on the defensive. In a place where mutants are supposed to feel accepted, Dust is misjudged because of her dress choices. In later issues, particularly New X-Men: Hellions # 2, we learn, from a conversation with her mother, that Dust is not forced to wear the burqa and she enjoys the protection it gives her from men. For Dust, the burqa is a choice, and that must be respected and defended.

However, I believe Dust’s reasoning for wearing the burqa is somewhat inaccurate and stereotypical.This may be due to the writers’ apparent misunderstanding of Muslim women and Islam in general. What’s annoying and arguably inaccurate is how Dust speaks about “protecting herself from men,” which not only make men out to be lustful and perverted, but it also sexualizes herself and makes her an object of desire. The beautiful teachings of modesty for both genders in Islam tend to be mistaken for the stereotypical notion of “protecting women from men.” These beliefs keep her side-lined, while the rest of the young Mutants develop crushes on one another and participate in extra-curricular activities. I’m not suggesting that Dust should start dating, but she should at least have some hobbies, otherwise she’s just a one-dimensional character! We either see Dust in the background or we catch a brief scene of her telling a fellow male mutant that she must decline taking a flight with him. It seems like she can’t do anything because her religion is so “restrictive.”

The way the writers present Islam is also a bit irritating. Almost every time we see Dust, she is praying and asking God for forgiveness for whatever sin she may have committed. A common stereotype that prevails in the west about Islam is that it doesn’t promote “freedom.” The word “Islam” means “submission” and this term is often associated with “slavery.” But Islam is not slavery – to be a servant of God, as believed by Muslims, is seen as humility and liberation of the Soul. It is to acknowledge a higher power greater than them. Unfortunately, Dust fulfills the negative stereotype that Islam is restrictive and that Allah is someone to constantly ask forgiveness from. I doubt these were the intentions of the writers, but it doesn’t take much to pick up on how secluded Dust is most of the time from her peers. It’s as if her social contact and interactions with the opposite sex is something she finds sinful, which is why she must be praying for “forgiveness.” It makes the reader perceive her as a “religious nut” as Surge calls her at one point. It makes me wonder what Dust enjoys doing on her free time? Who does she sit with during school assemblies? Who sits at her table during lunch breaks? These unanswered questions keep Dust’s character incomplete.

I know Muslim women who wear hijaab, niqaab, and even the burqa, and they still have social interactions with men. Since no Muslim alternative is presented, the writers risk Dust being stereotyped and generalized as what all Muslim women are like. It also formulates the stereotype that all Muslim women dress the way she does. There are some Muslims who praise Dust for being a devout Muslim girl who practices Islam “properly” because of the way she observes the burqa, but to praise Dust as a practicing Muslim on the basis of her burqa alone would be a serious mistake. It is also extremely offensive and even insulting because it marginalizes the Muslim women who don’t wear hijaab or the burqa. It makes them feel as if they’re not practicing Islam “properly” just because they don’t share the same views as other Muslims do about dress code. It creates a wild generalization that only Muslim women dressed in the burqa are spiritual, God-conscious, or practicing Muslims. Anyone familiar with Islamic teachings knows that the inward state of a human being is known to God alone, and just because someone wears a scarf over their head doesn’t immediately make them a pious person. Is Dust a devout Muslim? Yes. Is it because of her burqa? No. Dust states very clearly that she accepts other girls for the way they dress, and she only asks to be accepted for who she is in return. Perhaps we all can learn from Dust and learn how to accept one another for our differences.

So overall, can we appreciate a character like Dust? I think we can; however, there is a lot of room for improvement. As mentioned above, her character is incomplete and her character suffers from stereotypes that are due to misunderstandings about Islamic beliefs and practices. It bothers me that Dust is the product of a post-9/11 storyline, which features stereotypes towards Muslims, in the same way it bothers me that Wonder Woman is the product of a male fantasy. It also bothers me how weak her character is at times. In one scene, Dust loses her burqa after transforming back into human form. She is naked behind the bushes and asks Surge to hand her the burqa. This is insulting and serves no purpose at all except to weaken Dust’s character and to generate western pity for her: the poor Muslim girl who needs her burqa, otherwise she can’t go outside. How come none of the other characters lose their clothes, especially the female characters wearing short tank tops and shorts (or underwear for some)? They won’t lose their clothing, but a girl in a burqa will?

Please.

Surge then asks Dust what’s the big deal in men looking at her. “They’re just looking, so let them look,” says Surge. Dust, as usual, has weak comebacks and simply says Surge will not understand her. Again, I find this insulting because the writers use Surge to try to cheapen Dust and her personal beliefs. It would be nice to see Dust take a stronger stand for herself and not be so excluded because of her religion. It would also be nice to see more Muslim female characters that help shatter the stereotypes that have been generated about Muslim women. Possible ideas for female Muslim characters could include those who wear hijaab, don’t wear hijaab, and even those who are Shia or Sufi. After all, Islam celebrates diversity and embraces people of all ethnicities, cultures, genders, and schools of thought.

The concept of a female Muslim super-heroine in the realm of comic books is very exciting, but considering the role that women already suffer in comic books, we can expect that the road for characters like Dust won’t be steady. On one hand, she is applauded by a certain portion of readers, including some from the Muslim community, but perhaps, for the wrong reasons, while on the other hand, she is criticized for being too weak, one-dimensional, and stereotypical. There is potential for her to break boundaries, but there are risks and challenges involved: Right now, she is a supporting character in the “Young X-Men” series; is the west ready to see Dust with a comic book of her own?

If so, what political stance will writers take on Dust’s religion, culture, and home country? Will artists depict her without the burqa? Will new Muslim characters be introduced to accompany her? Only time will tell. Hopefully, we will see more stories that carry the spirit of the X-Men films rather than those that reinforce old stereotypes.

In Part 2, I will look at how Muslim women are depicted in comic books published in the Arab and Muslim world. So until then: To Be Continued!

UPDATE: I know a lot of people have been pointing out that Wolverine does in fact kill and as soon as it was mentioned to me, I immediately realized that the Wolverine I had in mind was from the cartoon TV series. It was a mistake on my part (but I did say, “maybe I missed something,” lol). Anyway, it’s been bit embarrassing for me, so I just wanted to clear that up and point out that I acknowledge the error. In any case, it was still disturbing for me to see the issue begin with a huge pile of slaughtered Taliban, especially considering how this issue follows the Genosha tribute (which symbolizes the 9/11 tribute). The fact that Morrison never revisits Dust seems suspicious to me — it’s as if he needed to create a good Muslim character in order to cover up the Taliban slaughter and the Muslim stereotypes (Pakistani man named MUHAMMAD hijacking the AIR-INDIA plane). Anyway, I hope everyone accepts my apology.

UPDATE: Johanna_hypatia from Live Journal recently shared some really interesting points on how western publishers have an obsession with depicting Muslim women with face veils, which has become iconic of all Muslim women, “especially when the veils sets off their kohl-enhanced eyes.” She also made the mentioning of Orientalism by Edward Said.

This is the rest of her comment: “Dust is following the same script… (t)he Orient is exoticized and feminized, the better to make it an alluring prize to be dominated by conquering white male imperialists. In actual fact, the percentage of Muslim women in the world who veil their faces is tiny. It’s practiced mainly in the Persian Gulf countries and hardly at all elsewhere. Muslim feminist Asra Nomani wrote about this trend, with the iconic veiled woman used to represent Muslim women who are in fact not veiled at all — and she even got one of the white male publishers to admit that they display the veiled image for its allure of mysteriousness. This is sexism and racism fused into one. See her article ‘Why Do Western Publishers Have a Veil Fetish?’”

~ Broken Mystic ~

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Comments

  1. Gironde wrote:

    Now how about a comic book Muslim woman who ditches a religion whose patriarchal oppression and antifeminism is built right in. That would be progressive. It would be interesting to hear the author’s feelings on Persepoli

  2. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Gironde -

    You read all of Jehanzeb’s piece and that’s *all* you can comment on?

    Shaking my head.

    And I’m not sure why you are bringing up Marjane Satrapti’s work. Much of her work revolves around the changes in Iran during the cultural revolution. Some of it was her own alienation to the cultural change, most of her work revolves around her family. Unless the movie is drastically different from her graphic novels, the only time she really gets into religion is discussing how Iran was more or less secular before the revolution. But she reserves a lot of ire for the oppressive government system, not necessarily for Islam.

    Is there a major plot point I have forgotten? It has been a couple of years since I opened Persepolis or Persepolis 2.

  3. dave wrote:

    hey thanks for this.

    this seems like a pretty nuanced analysis. it def seems like her muslim identity is set up in such a way just to knock it down and emphasize the superiority of wester culture.

  4. Gironde wrote:

    What, would you like me to rah-rah-rah about how right the author is? Of course that’s totally messed up and I think it’s disgustingly ironic that comic book writers (loll) think that it’s somehow inclusive to put a Muslim woman wearing one of the most restrictive and dehumanizing Muslim outfits for women around.

    I also think, as a guy, that it’s wildly ridiculous to think that most women observing hijab in the most restrictive way possible (sorry, the name of this specific one escapes me) think that they’re somehow empowered by escaping the lurid gaze of men. A headscarf is one thing - this, however, is like Stockholm syndrome.

    Of course, there’s the counterargument about what her costume would entail if she wasn’t crazy fundamentalist Muslim - which, IRL, I imagine she’d have to be to voluntarily wear that - but then maybe this idea should have stayed on the drawing board.

    As an atheist, the author’s piece on Dust fulfilling stereotypes of Islam is one long chuckle. Please - “submission” to a power that is higher than oneself? That’s somehow a source of dignity? Maybe we’re reading different religious texts but I’m pretty sure the Qu’ran is quantifiably more restrictive and mandate-ish than the New Testament or other mainstream religions.

  5. Glossolalia Black wrote:

    I think Dust is probably a step in the right direction, even if she isn’t as developed as other characters right now. The same sort of thing plagued depictions of Black and Asian comic book characters for years… time will fix some of this, along with a fair amount of vigilance.

    No offense against Grant Morrison (he’s a favorite of mine), but I’d love to see a Muslim woman write this character.

  6. Gironde wrote:

    Oh, and I actually didn’t read much of any of the article - one look at the picture was enough. Not to paint comic books with one big brush (which I’m about to do), but the difference between a fountain of masculine immaturity and a worthwhile comic is whether it involves superheroes.

    And is there some weird trend towards displaying the Taliban as all molestery and stuff? It was the same thing in the Kite Runner, which was good up until a child rapist somehow escapes the gaze of the murder-happy fundies.

  7. Tariq Nelson wrote:

    burqa-garbed adolescent Afghan girl

    She is actually not wearing a burqa. That is an abayah and niqaab. She actually states in the comic that she is not wearing a burqa

  8. meatwhichdreams wrote:

    Karen Healey (of Girl-Wonder and Girls Read Comics And They’re Pissed) has an interesting analysis of Soorya’s choice of clothing, or rather, what the artist and writers choose to dress her in and how they are depicted visually: http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/?p=27

    And a followup column:http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/?p=97

    Both articles have very informative forum discussions linked to them as well.

    @Latoya Peterson: As I recently spent a semester discussing both volumes of Persepolis, I gotta raise my hand and respectfully disagree with you. I felt that the question of religion was one Satrapi wrestled with throughout both books, although at times it lay under the surface.

    Her struggle with her personal faith and the strict reading of Islam that those in charge forced upon everyone in Iran started way back in book one when little Marjane would sit up at night talking with her idea of God, who looked quite a bit like Karl Marx. Much later in book two when she returned to Iran and finished college there, she entered into a very risky debate with her university’s administration and professors over the whole question of faith, and if it can be expressed outside of the confines of religion. She almost gets into huge trouble when she fights back about new restrictions on the female students’ uniforms by ridiculing the idea that the women are provoking the male students with a half-inch of hair showing from under a vale when the men’s pants are so tight “we can see everything!”

    I wish I had scans available to provide some more concrete examples, but I hope these help.

  9. Jack D. wrote:

    That’s a good start on the Dust character. But considering how short her full “life” is in the various X-titled comic books, I’m surprised you stopped short. There are several other small intereractions that have been enjoyable, including Rockslide’s stupid comments about her clothes followed by Gentle’s corrective response. ((Speaking of which: dissecting Nezhno’s recent X-special issue visit to his Africa-esque homeland of Wakanda and interraction with the rest of his community and Storm would make for a fun article here.)) As is the case in the comic book world, characterizations and backgrounds will slip and slide depending on who the writer is … and lately, Marvel has been switching writing staff very, very quickly. I expect more weak scripts now that Dust has been co-opted for the Young X-Men series.

  10. WestIndianArchie wrote:

    I’m more offended that they made “sand” her power.

    Much like porn, comics are primarily written by and for men. Any feminist critique of a primarily male genre will always give you the same answers. And always point to the same “solutions”

    1) more sensitivity

    2) The 2 women out there who read comics *and* want to be represented need an environment to do so. (apparently one which Marvel/DC has to create - as opposed to being like all the other folks and publishing independently - and praying that the audience will buy your art)

  11. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    PUT DOWN THE GODDAMNED VEIL, MARVEL!!!!!!

    Not all of us Muslimahs are weak, timid, and “veiled” !!!!

    arrgghh!!! 834rdfjadf923490kasd@#$#$Ad

  12. Sobia wrote:

    @ Tariq:
    This just shows how ignorant the comic book writers are - women in Afghanistan wear burqas, not abayas and niqaabs. It should be burqa.

    @ Gironde:

    “Oh, and I actually didn’t read much of any of the article”
    Don’t you think then it’s extremely arrogant to make comments, and such critical ones, about something you have not even read?

    I’m then assuming you have never actually read the whole Qur’an with understanding either since you’ve made judgments about that too. Or perhaps you have but you read an extremely conservative interpretation of it. You also have to be careful of whose interpretation you read. Some are more conservative than others. The Qur’an can have many interpretations and if you take just one interpretation and assume it is the one then you are making the exact same mistake the extremists in Islam, like the Wahabbis, make.

    If you want to make judgments about the Qur’an then first read it thoroughly. That would give your argument come credibility. The whole Qur’an is online here:

    http://www.free-minds.org/quran/

  13. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Gironde -

    So, you’re telling me you feel qualified to post a comment based on an article you admit you haven’t fully read, based on your preconceived notions about a religion that you do not practice?

    That doesn’t sound a little strange to you?

    And now, a short tangent.

    I was raised secular. Meaning, with no religion at all. When I say this, people generally interpret it as lapsed Christian, but I had very little knowledge of any sort of theology until I was in my late teens. (I took a comparative religions class in college - before that, most knowledge came from TV show or movies.) As a result of this, I developed a habit of talking to people about why they practice the religion they do.

    I have talked to people from all walks of life, from all different faiths, quite a few agnostics and atheists - anyone with an idea , really.

    I find atheists interesting to speak with because they generally fall into two camps:

    1. People who through life experience/study/prayer/etc have come to the conclusion that there is no God.

    2. People who through life experience/study/prayer/etc have come to the conclusion that there is no God and everyone else is a deluded fool.

    Obviously, atheists in the first group are a lot more fun to talk to than atheists in the second. Atheists in the first group are generally knowledgeable about world religions, and even if they personally feel that religion is a dangerous or damaging thing, they can at least understand that their philosophy is not the only way to live life. I find atheists in the second group to be insufferable fucks, concerned only with their own navel gazing superiority, determined to insult as many believers as possible, and generally adding nothing of worth to a conversation.

    I hope, for your sake, you are in the first group and not the second.

    Please take the time to review all of Jehanzeb’s article and respond to the points he raised. No one says you have to agree - but you must engage with the topic raised. That part is non negotiable.

    But, before you go off to read, you never answered my question on what Marjane Satrapi has to do with Jehanzeb’s piece.

  14. M wrote:

    “The beautiful teachings of modesty for both genders in Islam tend to be mistaken for the stereotypical notion of “protecting women from men.””

    So, uh, both genders? Are you trying to insinuate that there are equal, yet different requirements of modesty for men in Islam as there are for women? Islamic men do not have to veil themselves, and if a woman does not wear traditional garb in Mulsim areas, she will be sexually harassed. Is this part of beautiful modesty?

  15. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    <iAnd is there some weird trend towards displaying the Taliban as all molestery and stuff? It was the same thing in the Kite Runner, which was good up until a child rapist somehow escapes the gaze of the murder-happy fundies.

    @ Gironde: a Muslim Afghan wrote The Kite Runner and it was loosely based on his childhood growing up in Afghanistan. I can’t really say much about the Taliban regarding child molestation, but let’s just say it’s not “unusual.”

    There’s paedophile perverts everywhere, no matter what race or religion or ethnicity.

  16. Joe wrote:

    @Latoya:

    [Mod Note - Oh, now you want to talk to me? Oh no, I’m still salty over the New Yorker remark. And yes, this corner of the interwebs is serious business. Go back to the New Yorker site with the rest of the jokers, and I’ll remember to ban you properly this time. - LDP]

  17. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Meatwhichdreams -

    I felt that the question of religion was one Satrapi wrestled with throughout both books, although at times it lay under the surface.

    Her struggle with her personal faith and the strict reading of Islam that those in charge forced upon everyone in Iran started way back in book one when little Marjane would sit up at night talking with her idea of God, who looked quite a bit like Karl Marx. Much later in book two when she returned to Iran and finished college there, she entered into a very risky debate with her university’s administration and professors over the whole question of faith, and if it can be expressed outside of the confines of religion.

    I don’t think we disagree. I remember these issues. But again, they seemed to revolve more around Marjane’s discomfort with what was being forced upon her in the name of religion and not necessarily about Islam as a whole. Again, this could be my secular-ness shining through, but I never saw her internal war being with any particular religion, but rather the twisting of it to serve someone else’s ideas. I am traveling for a few days and so I am away from my books, but I will definitely take a reread and get back to you.

    Marjane’s work feels a lot like Azadeh Moaveni’s reflections in her memoirs, Lipstick Jihad.* There is anger, yes. But at Islam? Not so much. More about corruption and selective application of parts of the Qu’ran to justify whatever those in power wanted to do.

    @WestIndianArchie -

    There are far more than two of us.

    *To the friends I have already spoken to about my limited reading list. Yes, I swear I will read Jasmine and Stars!!!

  18. Elise wrote:

    @ Gironde - I agree with some of your points, but throwing in lines like a person has to be a crazy fundamentalist when following faith-based restrictions (or culture-based ones, depending on the area) is counter-productive to discussing any issues in the article.

    Shorter me: You’re making us secular humanists look bad with your gross generalizations about non-Western religion and culture and lack of reading the article.

  19. Elise wrote:

    @ LaToya - “there are dozens of us! DOZENS!”

    Man, I miss Arrested Development.

  20. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Elise -

    Hooray for group one!

  21. Joseph wrote:

    Still deciding whether to wade in, there seems to be a lot of shit floating in the water…

    Maybe I’ll be back if I can find my waders but in case not, just wanted to say thanks to Jehanzeb Dar for the thoughtful original post.

    Why yes, I actually read it before posting…why do you ask?

  22. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Tariq,

    You are right. I was thinking the same thing reading the article, but not being a cartoon fan I have never read anything with his young Muslimah depiction in it.

    For those who might not know, a burqa is a one piece garment worn directly over the head where the eyes are usually covered with a mesh.

    In this case she is wearing an abaya, often associated with Arabs especially the Arabian Gulf. It is a full length cloak. The head covering is a “Niqab” which covers the face, usually with a narrow slit for the eyes. Again, this is commonly worn in the Arabian Gulf, but is also seen in places like Pakistan and Egypt. Some times the niqab also has another veil of mesh which covers it to hide the eyes.

    In Afghanistan a burqa would have been a better representation of reality, but then the artists wouldn’t have been able to draw to alluring “khohl” (type of eye liner) drenched eyes because they’d have been covered.

    Having said that, it seems like the cartoons in question are just one small step away from the typical Orientalism we see in the rest of Western media.

    A question……..did they have a person advising them on the character who’d have been able to point some of this out to them? A Muslim with some knowledge of their religion and some ability to place all of this in proper context in the current culture in the West would have been a huge help to them it would seem.

    Part of the problem here is that the average person who reads something like this is going to have absolutely no clue as to the factuality of things. Muslims are so much “the other” to most Americans that they cannot often sort out the most basic facts from fiction, and it is just the nature of people to believe what they read and not to investigate. So when the character says she wears her clothing to protect her from males, 99% of readers will believe that and leave it there.

    @DFP,

    You got it. My wife is Saudi, supposedly some of the most “oppressed and weak” women in the world. She doesn’t wear hijab, she is highly educated, and far from being timid.

    @Gironde,

    I think you’d be surprised how many Muslim women in the West make an active choice to cover AGAINST the wishes of the male members of their family. I have known about 1/2 dozen women since 9/11 in the West who have decided to wear hijab and all of them did so against the wishes of the male members of the family. I know that flies in the face of what the Western media is telling you, but it is true! More often than not the men push the women not to cover because they worry about the healthy and safety of their female relatives. Here in Northern Virginia women have been assaulted, stabbed and regularly insulted for no other reason than because they choose to cover.

    @Jehanzeb,

    Good post Jehanzeb, it is a hard subject to cover because you have to explain so many things when the target is not a Muslim one.

    Thanks!

  23. Felicity wrote:

    @WestIndianArchie in #10 - there are a lot more than 2 women who read comics. Someone linked to Girl Wonder and it’s a pretty good indicator that there are plenty of women who read comics. The reason we want DC and Marvel to shape up about the portrayal of women is that we love DC and/or Marvel and buy their books. We want to keep reading those books, but would also like them to make us wince less often.

  24. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Oh, so that’s what happened.

    Gironde of this thread, and Joe from the Hipster Racism thread are one in the same.

    Sorry hon, you are banned from commenting here for violating our comment moderation policy on multiple occasions.

  25. kakodaimon wrote:

    Comics! They give with one hand and take away with the other. It sounds like Dust has potential to be very, very kickass, but will probably always have issues that will make Muslimah readers repeatedly facepalm. The two can coincide! Much of what I read about Magneto overloads my “that is soooo problematic” circuits, and yet I love to see him take names and destroy stuff, even when it’s totally not to his benefit (best example ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkc_Myyye20 - Magneto gets offended… at a no parking sign).

    The thing is, though, you can only root on a character you know has some serious representation problems when *they’re not the only representation.* Maybe if X-Men had a Muslim equivalent of Kitty Pryde Dust’s more “exotic” antics wouldn’t be so hard to take. Meanwhile, it sounds like the writers need to work on Dust’s character having more to it than wearing a burqa, which I hope will come with time.

    PS: Yay for this post.

  26. Cora Harrington wrote:

    I’ve read your piece before on other websites, and I can’t help but think it may be a bit dated now. Not only is New X-men canceled (and has been for awhile), but later writers and artists did a much a better job (in my opinion) portraying the character and other students reaction to her. Right now, she appears in Young X-men, but last time I checked the series, she was turned into glass and wasn’t saying much. Anyway, my point is, I wonder if you’d be interested in updating your critique; it’s easy to become out of date when you’re reviewing a monthly medium.

  27. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @M,

    Yes, there are Islamic requirements for men’s clothing. You must first understand there is not universal agreement amoungst Muslims just as what the requirements for females are, that is why you see so many different types of covering, or none at all. These norms used to be in Christianity and Judaism. This Christmas take a look at the virgin Mary displayed and you’ll see she would have gotten profiled at the airport here in the USA for being Muslim. Go to Christian communities in Ethiopia, the oldest Christian communities in the world, and the women are required to cover in church and are banned from attending when on their menses. Head to Israel and you’ll see many ultra orthodox Jews look just like Muslim women who cover.

    Muslims, some of them, are just sticking to a norm which was around in Jewish and Christian communities BEFORE the prophet of Islam ever came.

  28. Mary wrote:

    Latoya,

    Great delineation of atheists! I am one myself and I hope I fit into group #1. Group #2 is the reason I’ve fallen away from atheist social groups and message boards.

  29. Fatemeh wrote:

    Latoya: GOOD JOB! Personally, I was suprised that Gironde’s Islamophobic and ethnocentric comments got through! Jaysus!

    I think that Jehanzeb did a great job here (which is why we featured in our site, too! wink!) in pointing out that this really ISN’T inclusion for Muslim women but really a thinly-veiled (no pun intended, I swear) cheerleader for Western culture and those who hate Muslims as an entity.

  30. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Fatemeh -

    Yeah, I let that through like I do with lots of other stuff - to see if they want to spew statements or if they actually want to engage. Some people really do hold these ideas that have never been challenged, and do not realize that whatever they have learned about certain religions (or certain races) may not be the 100% unvarnished truth.

    Besides I have faith that someone will show up and correct the assumption, or at least, challenge it.

  31. T wrote:

    What a fantastic post. It’s interesting you pointing out that in general the X-Men don’t kill (I know you’ve made a correction, but bear with me!)- it seems that Marvel saves the most brutal deaths at the hands of its white knight, Wolverine, for those seen as Others of the nation or of heteronomative masculinity. Most recently, Wolverine viciously killed Northstar, Marvel’s most successful gay superhero (Perry Moore write about it here: http://www.perrymoorestories.com/content/hero.asp?id=superheroes).

    I’m lookng forward to reading the second installment of this series and commenting a little more coherently then.

  32. T wrote:

    also, I’ll have to respectfully disagree with Cora on her point about irrelevance/being dated. Yes, these characters/comics develop over time but they should absolutely be read in the historical context in which they were written, and re-read today for further insights. The New X-Men is cancelled, but there are still new readers finding the series now and interacting with it- just as with any other cultural text in circuation (I don’t think that Birth of a Nation is any less racist than it was 50 years ago, for one). I personally think that this is article still makes a timely critique as it’s not as if the US today has stopped its campaigns of terror on the Middle East, or that the Orientalist representations of women don’t continue.

  33. M wrote:

    Are men sexually harassed in their community if they don’t wear proper male Islamic garb? Pretending like the requirements are similar is to deny the male-dominated power-dynamic in the culture. It also ignores how linked victim-blaming and sexual harassment or rape are when women choose not to wear traditional garb.

    This is not “beautiful modesty” - this is a cultural norm that has historical roots in sexism. Although it’s definitely not necessarily sexist now in all communities, and I support the women who choose to wear veils, to ignore the sexist patterns surrounding this - to think that there’s some male-equivalent cultural norm, is in itself, misogynist.

  34. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @M -

    I am not Muslim. I get sexually harassed all the time.

    (BTW, women are also harassed even if they conform to set standards: http://jezebel.com/5038808/)

    My issue with your comment isn’t with your note about denying the male-dominated power dynamic.

    It is because it is specifically attributed to Islam as an inherently patriarchal religion, rather than interpretations of the religion reflecting patriarchal societal norms. There are sets of Christianity that also value this “beautiful modesty” It isn’t just the FDS folks that still follow this standard. (I can remember a couple women I went to public school with who wore skirts and loose fitting tops in accordance with their religious views.)

    And, from what I understand as a non practitioner of Islam, it is intended to be a shared norm, and the modesty has more to do with presenting one’s self in deference to the wishes of Allah than trying to escape the male gaze. I could be wrong though. Does anyone who practices Islam want to correct me on this?

  35. aviator wrote:

    One thing that always bothers me about Dust is how ridiculously skintight her niqaab is usually drawn as. Despite wearing one of the most modest clothing types available, she still fails to deflect the male gaze.

    I’m a big comic book fan, but it’s going to be a long time before female heroes are treated with the same respect as their male counterparts. Even a character like Batgirl, championed as having one of the most modest and functional costumes in comics, still wears what basically amounts to black leather fetishwear.

  36. Rita wrote:

    @ M

    Modest dress in Islam applies to both sexes. Both are supposed to cover their heads, and wear long, loose-fitting clothing that covers their arms and legs. Customs vary from place to place, and not all Muslims of either gender wear “modest” dress, but yes - it applies to both equally. Furthermore, modest dress is worm primarily as an expression of one’s devotion to God, not to protect yourself from the other sex - although it can also serve that purpose.

    Which also raises the question: under Dust’s burqa, she’s naked???? The burqa, among other coverings, is worn over clothing. Sheesh.

    Good article. Thank you for writing it. It sounds like Dust is a step in the right direction, but there are lot more steps to go.

  37. Cora wrote:

    T.,

    You’re right; texts should be analyzed in the context in which their written and the writer’s critique of the Dust as she was written then is valid, but only for how she was written then.

    Unlike movies, comics are an ever-changing medium. There is no new “Birth of a Nation” released every month, but there have been literally dozens of new “Dusts” published since this original essay was written.

    In ignoring how portrayals of the character have changed over time, I wonder if the author is doing readers, many of whom don’t read comics, a disservice by giving them an incomplete picture.

  38. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Latoya,

    I think you got it right. Of course there is a male power issue here, but that exists everywhere and isnt why the modesty issues were mandated in Islam, Judaism, or for that matter The New Testament.

    It is interesting to note that exactly what is and isnt “modest” is up for debate all over the Muslim world. The Qur’an doesnt give real specifics as to what “modest” is.

    As a matter of fact, the New Testament is much more specific in the requirement that women cover their hair.

    1 Corinthians 11: 1-16 is often used by Christians to justify the covering of female hair.

    But a good example is that Muslim women are required to cover when they pray, even when men are not present. It is is God…….not for man.

    It would also be considered not modest for Muslim women to appear with too much showing in front of other women.

    Too much is made of the male power issue in this particular debate as it pertains to religious mandates of modesty.

  39. T wrote:

    Cora- perhaps then the writer should make an addendum specifying the timeline/issues nos. that apply to this incarnation of Dust? I certainly see your point- just thinking about the convoluted discussions on the Dark Knight (meh) and trying to periodize that has been a learning experience - and headache! I still think it’s not entirely fair to say Jehanzeb’s post is totally irrelevant when the particular issues being discussed are still pressing.

  40. yazikus wrote:

    Thanks for this post, it was thoughtful, intriguing and well written.
    @ Abu Sinan- Thanks for those points, too often people assume one is covering (or not covering) one’s self for the benefit of others.
    Also- montastics of many different faiths cover their heads and wear robe like clothing, men and women.
    I can’t believe the amount of judgement that is thrown on muslim women for what they choose to wear.

  41. Cora wrote:

    T.,

    I agree. Instead of saying Jehanzeb’s post was out of date, I should have simply suggested that she update her essay with more recent information. When writing any critical piece, I think it’s important to have the most current information possible at your disposal.

  42. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Cora -

    Keep in mind, I also sat on this post for about a month before posting. So further datedness is my fault.

    And Jehanzeb is a guy.

  43. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Gironde,

    Your attitudes towards Muslim feminists is quite ignorant and insulting, and it represents a common misunderstand that non-Muslims have about the Muslim community. Just because certain western feminists believe there is sexism and patriarchy in Islam doesn’t mean that Muslim feminists feel the same way. On the contrary, most Muslim feminists not only stand up for equality as women, but they also stand up for their religious and ethnic identity. You, along with the other Islamophobic individuals, behave as if you have some right to say who is a feminist or not. It’s like saying a Muslim can’t be American — who has a right to tell you what you are??

    Now, if a Muslim woman left Islam, then she wouldn’t be Muslim, right? The whole point of these essays to examine how Muslim women are depicted in comic books. But your anti-Islamic sentiments are obvious and evident in your initial post, where you accuse the religion of patriarchy. Have you ever heard of the female Islamic mystic named Rabia Al-Adawiyya? Have you heard of Razia Sultana, who ruled a Muslim dynasty at one point in history? Did you know that Islam ABOLISHED female infanticide which was commonly practiced by the pagan Arabs? Did you know that Islam grants women the right to equality, the right to divorce, and the right to inherit property?

    And you don’t see any sexism and patriarchy in the United States or in other countries? Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan force women to wear the burqa — that is unquestionably sexism and exploitation. Look at American music videos and how the women dance half naked and expose their body parts — is that not sexism and exploitation too? My point being that sexism exists in many different forms. Just because you don’t see Western countries forcing women to dress certain ways doesn’t mean that sexism doesn’t exist.

    Your quarrel clearly seems to be not so much with sexism, but with Islam and religion. Your intolerance and inability to step outside of yourself shows when you criticize my points on how submitting to a higher power exemplifies dignity. These are spiritual teachings and I don’t expect everyone to agree with it. Just because you’re an atheist doesn’t mean that you have to be so harsh to religion — I have plenty of atheist friends who will take a stand for human rights whenever certain groups of people are insulted, vilified, and stereotyped. Even if you do have harsh opinions about religion, it doesn’t mean you have to make generalizations about an ENTIRE GROUP of people. Generalizations strip people of their individuality, and instead of looking at them as individuals, you look at the stereotype. How would you like it if someone accuses of things which were based on certain stereotypes about atheists??

    You’re so absorbed in your prejudices against Islam and Muslims that you don’t comment on how the X-Men comic book presented all the male Muslim characters as terrorists, while the female character is a stereotypical covered Muslim girl who can’t say anything except “Toorab! Toorab!” You have to read this particular issue in the post 9/11 context, in which I pointed out in my entry.

    And your remarks on the way some Muslim women dress VOLUNTARILY is very insensitive. Do you know how many hate crimes and discriminatory acts have been committed against Muslim American women who wear the hijaab or niqab? Have you ever been discriminated before just for being atheist??? It’s very easy to point fingers at things you don’t understand, but why don’t you do some research and step out of yourself for a few minutes and look at the world through a different lens. Want to know why they choose to dress the way they do? ASK THEM. TALK TO THEM. But get rid of your prejudices — mystical teachings tell us to empty ourselves if we want to learn anything. There is only so much others can do if you’re not willing to learn something new.

    You can’ t tell people what they can or cannot be. Muslim Feminists exist — some wear hijaab, some don’t — and just like all groups of people, they are very diverse.

    Oh and by the way, I’m a guy.

    ~ Jehanzeb

  44. Cora wrote:

    My apologies. I shouldn’t have assumed the writer’s gender.

  45. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Jehanzeb,

    That was a fabulous explanation, as always J-heezy, but Gironde aka Joe is banned.

    (Joseph, you can go back to commenting as Joe now.)

    Sorry, should have picked up on that sooner.

  46. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Cora, part 2 contains the most recent information on Muslim characters in comic books.

    Some of the best presentations of Muslim women — and just women in general — are in the comic book “The 99″ by Muslim writer, Naif Al-Mutawa. Those comics are discussed in part 2.

  47. Joseph wrote:

    “Sorry hon, you are banned from commenting here for violating our comment moderation policy on multiple occasions.”

    :: Sniff, Sniff::

    …Whew, glad you finally decided to flush. Like Fatemeh I was surprised that steaming pile was allowed to sit and draw files for so many posts in a row…

    I agree that Dust is an ambivalent character but I’m glad she is part of the extended X-family of characters anyway. The analogy to Kitty Pryde is a great one, but part of why Kitty is such a fun character is that she isn’t limited by her ethnic background. But she is the exception rather than the rule. For e.g. the Romany character “Scarlet Witch” wore a million bangles and bracelets (into battle!) and could never pass a tambourine without launching into Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves or “The Huntress” who isn’t only Italian American but a Mafia princess who wears a giant cross on her costume…

    I think this odd comic book trope of using ethnic characteristics as a shorthand for character development is more obvious with a character like Dust but it’s rampant throughout the industry. And when it is focused on female characters racist/ethnocentric characterizations dovetail seamlessly with sexist ones (as in the Latina character called…and I’m not kidding…”Wildcat.”

  48. Cora wrote:

    @Joseph:

    One of the reasons I liked New X-Men so much is because it had the most diverse cast of any comic I’d ever read. Not only did they have a Middle Eastern character, there were two black characters (one African-American, one Wakandan), two Asian characters (one Japanese-American, one Japanese), an Indian character, a Polynesian character, a Welsh character, and so on.

    Granted, I’m sure that if I really sat down and analyzed the comic, I would see that none of the characterizations were perfect, but the fact that they were at least trying to get some diversity into that book impressed me. It also made me sad when they canceled it.

  49. Cora wrote:

    I shouldn’t have said Middle Eastern there. An Arabic character, then? Sorry…

  50. Jehanzeb wrote:

    M,

    I think you misunderstand me. Modesty is an Islamic teaching that is taught to BOTH men and women. This is such a debated issue (probably more so in the Muslim community), but I’ll state my views on this: based on the Qur’an, women are NOT required to wear hijaab. They are, however, told to dress modestly and not wear revealing clothing. The same applies to men.

    However, there are some Muslim women who choose to wear hijaab for various reasons. 1, they believe it *is* compulsory, or 2, they believe it’s a way of emulating the wives of the Prophet or the Virgin Mary, or 3, for cultural reasons.

    I think we have to be very careful when we talk about this issue because when you point out how Muslim women are forced to wear hijaab or the burqa in certain Muslim countries, then we’re only limiting our discussion to those communities. I was talking about the Muslim women who live in societies where they can CHOOSE to dress how they want. Iran, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia are separate issues, and many young Muslims don’t believe those countries are truly practicing Islam. The Qur’an says, “there is no compulsion in religion” (2:256), so how can we force women to dress a certain way?

    We cannot deny people’s experiences — there are a few psychological journals that examine the lives of young Muslim women in post 9/11 America, and all of them said that Islam is their primary source of wisdom, strength, and healing. They also said they find the hijaab liberating. There are Muslim women who disagree with this, but I’m sure they agree that they cannot deny someone else’s experiences.

    It’s like if you find beauty in a certain way of living, how would you feel if someone told you that it is not beauty?

    Modesty is a very beautiful teaching in Islam, but there are extremist groups and nations that take it completely out of context. In the same way that Bush quotes the Bible during the Iraq war. In both cases, it’s just bad theology. It’s a misunderstanding of the scriptures. Rather than understand the inward and spiritual nature of the Message, they take it too literally.

    So when I’m speaking about modesty in Islam in those particular sentences, I’m talking about what Islam REALLY teaches. What certain countries do is a misrepresentation of those teachings.

  51. Jehanzeb wrote:

    Cora,

    Dust is not Arab, she’s Afghani, and Afghanistan is considered South Asian : )

  52. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    Cora, Dust is not Arabic or Middle Eastern. she is Afghan, which would classify her as either Central Asian or South Asian (although as an Indian, I don’t really consider Afghans to be South Asian)

  53. Joseph wrote:

    @M
    “This is not “beautiful modesty” - this is a cultural norm that has historical roots in sexism. Although it’s definitely not necessarily sexist now in all communities, and I support the women who choose to wear veils, to ignore the sexist patterns surrounding this - to think that there’s some male-equivalent cultural norm, is in itself, misogynist.”

    …Sigh. It is a real drag that whenever the site focuses on Arab/Muslim issues we have to battle through Islamopobic and/or Orientalist kak like like this instead of having a discussion about the topic at hand (see, also the Mazen Asbahi thread). What you don’t know about Arab and Islamic cultures (note the plural) could fill a book. Luckily for you third world feminists from the Middle East/North Africa (MENA) have already written a lot of them. Try something radical and read one. Saba Mahmood’s Politics and Piety and Parvin Paidar’s Women and the Political Process in 20th Century Iran are good places to start.

  54. Jehanzeb wrote:

    lol Deaf Feminist Punk, we said the same thing.

    There are some Afghanis who have a lot of Pakistani influences since many of them were refugees there. Many of my Afghani friends speak Urdu/Hindi , watch Bollywood movies, and listen to Indian-Pakistani music.

  55. Jehanzeb wrote:

    @ Latoya, thanks for the new nickname, lol! I saw his comment earlier but didn’t have time to respond. It seems like I was too late : (

    Thanks for posting this!! And thanks for everyone’s feedback : )

  56. Cora wrote:

    @ Jehanzeb and Deaf Feminist Punk,

    Thank you. I’m going to be quiet now. I’m messing up quite a bit today. :-)

  57. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Cora,

    The Middle Eastern/Arabic thing is a trail/issue carefully walked. I have never heard someone from the Middle East have a problem being called “Middle Eastern.” However, if you call someone from the Middle East an Arab, you had best be sure they are. Not all people in the Middle East are Arabs. There are Kurds and Iranians (both Indo-European) who can often get very upset at being called Arabs, never mind small groups like Circassians who are Caucasian.

    It would be hard to think of a more diverse grouping than the Islamic world. That is why it is so awful when they are so reduced and stereotyped into one monolithic grouping.

    This thread/post has turned out to be VERY informative.

  58. Cora wrote:

    @Abu Sinan,

    Thank you for your response as well. I don’t know much at all about the Islamic world, and we already know the media does a really terrible job of passing along anything resembling honest information.

  59. Brian wrote:

    The National Association of Young Children (NAEYC) wrote the Anti-Bias Curriculum (ABC) which explores alot of related topics. One resource they distribute is a checklist of things to look for when evaluating children’s literature (though it can obviously be applied to any literature). I couldn’t find a link, but some of the points are:
    1.) Check the illustrations for stereotypes, tokenism, and which characters are taking which actions.
    2.) Check the story line for how standards of success are defined, problems are resolved, and the roles of various characters.
    3.) Look at how the lifestyles of different characters are represented.
    4.) Weigh the relationships between people
    5.) Consider the effects on a child’s self image
    6.) Consider the author/illustrator’s background
    7.) Check the author/illustrator’s perspective
    8.) Watch for loaded words
    9.) Check the copyright date

    It seems like the original poster did much of this independently, but it provides an amazing way of evaluating literature. If anyone can get there hands on a copy at a local library or from a local school (or purchase one online) you will not be disappointed.

  60. Alyssa wrote:

    A few thoughts:
    1. It’s really interesting that Dust wears the burqa to “protect herself from men,” yet it is as skin-tight as a leotard.
    2. The fact that all the Arab men are evil does not surprise me. It’s the same thing as all the Russian movie villains during the cold war era. Somehow being at war with another country makes a lot of people think they have an excuse to villainize that culture.
    3. Dust could be a very interesting character since there aren’t that many characters defined through their religion. The only one that I know of is Nightcrawler. (Forgive me if I’m wrong, I follow the X-men movies, but have not followed the comic book series.) Nightcrawler is a very devout Catholic, yet somehow he is more complex than Dust seems to be. But the thing that really gets me is that Nightcrawler’s religion makes him a stronger character. He would not be nearly as interesting without it. His devoutness gives him peace and strength. Yet, the opposite is true for Dust. Her religion separates her from the rest of the group. It ties her down rather than giving her the peace and strength that Nighcrawler receives.
    4. Please remember feminism is about CHOICE!!! A woman who works because she thinks all feminists must work is repressed, and a woman who stays home by choice is liberated, not the other way around.
    The same goes for Dust and Surge. Dust is a liberated woman. She chooses to dress the way she does. Surge, on the other hand, dresses in what she thinks should be the feminist uniform. I’m not so sure she really is a liberated woman. Yet their conversation would lead you to believe Dust is the one who is marginalized by her clothing.

  61. Kara Owens wrote:

    This was such a fantastic write-up. (And I too have made the mistakes of following the TV cartoon version over the graphic novels!) Really looking forward to pt2!

  62. Cynthia wrote:

    Brian:

    I have a lot of issues with #9, check the copyright date. Avoiding books published before a certain year surely means that kids are missing out on great literature! And it’s also a great chance to learn how things were done back then and why they’re wrong now.

  63. greg wrote:

    superhero’s do kill, your thinking of batman, who does not kill. thats what adds to the moral/ethical dilemmas that superheros face, they sometimes kill.
    also, the whole westerner saving the eastern in distress is not the best picture, i agree. there were many comics that came out after 9/11 including an interesting one where captain america likens the destruction of the trade center to the fire bombing of dresden in world war 2. both useless acts of death and destruction that only served to punish civilians.

  64. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Jehanzeb–may I join in the applause for writing this informed and very nuanced post? Ya did good, friend!

    @Latoya–I can’t even be that harsh about your not catching Joe/Gironde until you did. Considering the sheer number of responses and which IP addresses they come from and screen names and so on that you and the other moderators have to wade through to provide the level of discourse that we all get to enjoy, you did an effective job with what you did. Again, thank you for the incredible job you and the other moderators do, friends!

  65. jmn wrote:

    Great writeup with great insight.

    So Dust is like … *nerd alert* Gaara of the Sand? :p

  66. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    geez, all this talk about Afghan culture and Muslims is making me hungry for Afghan food. I think Imma get some Afghan food tonight for dinner. or at least convince my ma to cook some biryani at home.

  67. Piper wrote:

    This is a great writeup. Admittedly, I haven’t been following Marvel the way I used to, but I still found this interesting to go through based on what little I’ve seen of Dust in XMen.

    You should see the way she’s protrayed in RP games, it gets much worse.

  68. jln wrote:

    kakodaimon wrote:” Maybe if X-Men had a Muslim equivalent of Kitty Pryde Dust’s more “exotic” antics wouldn’t be so hard to take. ”

    To be fair, there is the Faiza Hussain character in the “Excalibur” (and so X-men related) spin-off “Captain Britain and MI: 13” who leans in that direction (although she’s also an older character, so she’s a bit less “fun”, I suppose).

    The character does wear hijab (and there author has mentioned having advisors for religion-related elements), but the character is English (and if anything is a London stereotype more than a Muslim one), and a doctor (plus the generic superpowers), so at least Dust and her meekness aren’t the only representations of women in Islam in the Marvel Universe!

  69. gabby wrote:

    I think Sooraya’s become a bit more fleshed-out as a character than this analysis gives credit for, though it’s possible you started writing this a while ago. Still, your criticisms stand, and I agree with them.

    I find myself wanting to say I MAINLY agree, and give caveats. But then I realize that I’ve just lived so long in love with a medium and industry (comics) that gives me so little in the way of PoC and WoC characters that I feel the need to defend every single one of them, every character we get, no matter how flawed their portrayal. Just the fact that she’s there feels like a gift, and I’m frustrated that I really do feel so grateful for such a small token gesture that’s colored so much by political showboating and stereotyping.

    Something else I’d mention: the way Dust’s burqa is drawn. At least half the time, artists draw it damn-near skintight. It’s ludicrous and annoys the heck out of me.

  70. Chill wrote:

    “Maybe I missed something, but the last time I checked, super-heroes don’t kill their enemies, no matter how destructive or deadly. I suppose Muslim radicals are exceptions!”

    When was the last time you checked? 1972?

  71. Brian wrote:

    Cynthia-

    Great point and I should have clarified. The ABC says that none of those are litmus tests. However, they are things that should be investigated. Ultimately, the teacher/parent/whoever needs to make a determination as to what good can come from the book and what harm it can do and weigh these appropriately. It is VERY careful to preach avoidance of “throwing the baby with the bathwater out”. The actually resource is far more extensive than I posted, I just wanted to get the idea out there. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify!

    When specifically evaluating books aimed at dealing with diversity issues (which certainly aren’t the only ones that should be evaluated and/or used), time sensitivity is important. Case in point, there are few useful books at discussing same-sex parents and not one that I’ve found that appropriately discusses the fact that you DON’T need a mommy and daddy to have a baby (literally or figuratively). The literature can’t keep up with the science!

  72. Torontonian wrote:

    @ Jehanzeb:

    Finally, Dust appears in her black burqa saying “Toorab! Toorab!” Wolverine remarks, “It means ‘dust.’ It’s all she says.” Wow, the Arabic word for dust, “toorab,” is all she says?

    It’s interesting that an Afghan girl speaks Arabic instead of one of the main languages in Afghanistan. Although the writers may be presenting her as a minority within her own country, for some reason I suspect she speaks Arabic because she’s supposed to fulfill a stereotype or be some kind of generic, all-in-one Muslim girl as perceived by the West. After all, she wears a niqaab instead of a burqa as well.

    @ Gironde:

    Oh, and I actually didn’t read much of any of the article - one look at the picture was enough.

    So basically, you assumed that you are smarter and more knowledgeable than the author, since the author is probably Muslim. Many of your ideas have already been debunked/criticized in the original post, but you didn’t bother reading it, because you assumed that you are intellectually superior and know everything there is to know, and that the author is intellectually inferior and less knowledgeable than you.

  73. NancyP wrote:

    It is a shame that Dust is discovered by being “rescued”, and not shown as the village hero who wants to hone her talent for the good of her people.

    As for the rest, what’s so bad about the idea of showing culture shock and the assumption that the other side just can’t understand them. The way you describe issue 2’s roommate clothing debate seems to illustrate the point nicely - the two really aren’t on the same wavelength, and the newcomer (Dust) is likely to feel more off-balance than the one whose presentation is closer to the local norm.

    How realistic is it for an older girl or woman from a small village in Afghanistan to be able to interact with strange men without a sense of discomfort or wrongness or fear?

    Do comic book authors take suggestions from readers? If so, write, and offer your thoughts on how the comic plot and depictions could be tweaked. If movies have M.D. consultants on medical details in plotlines or physicist consultants on radiotelescopy as a key plot/location component (Contact), why can’t writers of comic books get a little sociological, historical, or technical advice from expert readers?

  74. T.L. Corners wrote:

    An in depth analysis of a character I didn’t even know existed. Very lengthy indeed, but I’m very lazy. And just because the two words begin with the same letter doesn’t mean that they go well together; so I skimmed at some parts. So forgive me if I misconstrue what it is you are trying to get across, but I think the article kind of nit-picks a little to much.

    One point that sticks out at me is your disdain for the fact that she at one point is naked and placed in a position of submission without her burqa. And you quary as to why no other characters have been put in such a situation. Now, I haven’t read this particular story you talk about but my guess is that given that this character has her identity so wrapped up in this burqa (as many non-stereotypical characters tend to do — identifying themselves with an object) as a writer the most important thing you can do to stretch a character or make a character interesting is to take away — if only temporary — that identifier and let the audience see how the character reacts. [The first thing that comes to mind is Dennis Quad’s character in “Smart People” who keeps all of his dead wife’s clothes in remembrance of her. Halfway through the movie, it’s taken away and we get to see how he reacts.] Now, I’m not saying this was a great piece of writing; I’m just saying that it’s the most logical thing to do to stretch such a one dimensional character who identifies so much with her burqa. For an American man or woman it would just be comical or sexual to have them naked.

    I mean, It would be nice if the character broke certain stereotypes, but as a writer myself I know how difficult it is to write about a person from a culture you know little of. Maybe the marvel writers need to do a little more research in that area. But it is NOT Marvel’s job to educate the world about Muslim women, but merely to entertain. The stereotypical nature of their characters is maybe just a demonstration of unimaginative writing or merely just not enough energy put into what they consider to a be a minor character. It does however express an underlying under-education, in the U.S. in general, concerning Muslims which has manifested itself in this half-baked attempt to insert a Muslim woman into the fray of the X-Men universe. Minor characters aren’t meant to be in depth anyway. Let her get her own comic book and if she still has no complexity nor depth, I’ll yell from the rooftops, but I won’t be yelling of racism — just of poor writing.

  75. hotconflict wrote:

    I wanna say how much I enjoyed reading this post, first of all.

    I think it is essential for the next generation of Muslims to realize how much influence Pop-Culture has on society.

    I do a lot of work on the area of communication. From that comes the idea of story telling and how pop-culture affects our perception of the world around us.

    As for the issues of the stereotyping of Muslims, countering that is a continuing and possibly everlasting task!
    Particularly in our current state of High Color Alert and the “War on Terror” it is pleasant to see a Muslim hero at all, especially a female character.

    Yes she may have a lot of the bad imagery built in, along with the constant Muslim bad, westerner good mantra.

    Right now it maybe enough to at least get some representation. Time will allow for greater character enhancement in the future.

    Start with Muslims are Humans and not Mutants….work our way up from there !

    Check out this post about the 99 comic.

    http://www.hotconflict.com/blog/2007/10/the-99-cultural.html

  76. Phrone wrote:

    Was this posted on Muslimah Media Watch? (Or crosslinked there?) Because I remember reading it there a few days/weeks ago…or at least, it was a definite analysis of Dust’s character and a lot of the writing was ringing a bell.

    I remember thinking it was really interesting, particularly because I haven’t been into X Men since the 90s. It seems like they’ve definitely put more emphasis on having POC, but…I definitely think this was not the best effort possible. I agree with what someone said earlier: the main problem here is that there’s such a scarcity of portrayals of Muslim characters. If there were more, portraying the diversity within the religion, it wouldn’t be problematic that, you know, Dust doesn’t interact with people as much, etc. Then it would be seen as being an individual trait, not something inherant about being a Muslim within the US. Dust is basically bearing the weight of portraying all Muslimah the way things are now.

  77. Una wrote:

    A few thoughts (keeping in mind that I don’t read comics and haven’t read the one in question)…

    1) It always makes me uneasy when from-the-headlines issues are “handled” (read: used as props) by pop culture. The fact that a Muslim character appeared in the comic only after 9/11 betrays a desire to cash in on something newly-interesting and not a real desire to address an issue. Thus such a character to me seems like a ploy to stay relevant and not much more. It’s also inherently exploitative of the situation in Afghanistan/Muslims/Muslim women for them to be used only as a prop.

    2) Are there non-Muslim heavily religious characters in X-Men? Perhaps in addition to not knowing much about the culture of Muslim women, the writers are ill-prepared to tackle a character that is religious in any way.

  78. daniel wrote:

    sweet commentary! i love new xmen and dig grant morrison, but the representation of dust is ridiculous. he’s done it to trans folk (rhebis, danny the street from doom patrol) and other folks of color (Angel Salvadore) before, too.

  79. racistbugsbunny wrote:

    Cartoons and comics have long been a canvas for propaganda and racism.

    I cite these examples among many.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKwCMmvI_U
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU1LHeim_hA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGD6nYQpc6c&feature=related

    Though these examples are simply blatant, the character “Dust” presents a more subtle message, which I think many of you here have exposed well in detail. This kind of thing reminds me of WWF wrestling, with characters like “Booker T.” and “Samoan Joe” and of course Muhammad Hassan.

    In this next link, you can see how the wwf uses him to bait the crowd, as they all chant “USA” even though he is an american citizen. The royal rumble participants proceed to collectively stomp him as a race-baiting tool.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT32JLIQq_M&feature=related

    I also remember that south park did an anti-arab piece soon after 9/11 which is reminiscent of the WWII popeye and bugs bunny propaganda pieces.

    In light of this history, I would like to suggest that the character “Dust” is not as much a product of subtle imperialism/misogyny/racism as she is an anthropomorphism of constructed american values in the iraq/afghanistan conflicts.
    I think her character is targeted at enlistment-age males (and maybe females too), intended to influence their worldview and evoke chivalrous attitudes.

    I am less concerned about how ethnicized characters are presented (because it will usually be a travesty), and more concerned about why they are presented in a certain manner, why the creators were motivated to depict them, and what they are trying to achieve in their audience,

    To show this point, check out the wiki entry for Frank Miller’s new graphic novel called “Holy Terror, Batman!”, which is, by his own admission “a propaganda piece in which batman kicks al-qaeda’s ass.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Terror,_Batman!

    Well, at least he’s telling us to our face.

  80. thew wrote:

    After reading this and your Objectification essay, Jehanzeb, I’m curious what you thought of Paul Dini & Alex Ross’ “Wonder Woman: Spirit of Truth” since both topics (the representation of Muslim women and superheroines) cross over.

  81. Pheagan wrote:

    Heya, rabid comic book fan here. I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding a few things. First, there’s the depiction of Soorya as an opponent of the Taliban. While it’s true that the Taliban is an enemy of the United States and other Western powers, they are also the enemy of RAWA, the Afghan feminist organization. So although we do have a white male writer (who is Scottish, which makes him Western but not the member of a country that has an explicit policy against the Taliban, except for insofar as it’s a member of the UK—a colony of the UK actually, so… I just think it’s problematic to identify Scotland or Scottish people as simply Western, since they know something about the oppression the West is capable of. I just think it’s a bit more complex in the case of Western countries that have actually been forcibly colonized by Western powers), I would argue that Soorya shouldn’t necessarily be regarded as a stand-in for the Western dislike of the Taliban.

    One thing that I do find odd is that Soorya is ALWAYS in her abayah and niqaab. Isn’t it common for women to take off the outer layers when they’re around other women? That’s what I found odd about her and Surge’s relationship.

    Oh, yeah, and I believe Mercury, who was white, had a problem losing clothes in her liquid form as well, until the new uniforms were introduced.

    That being said, although Grant Morrison is a rare comic book writer in being unafraid to frequently depict characters of color, there has been some criticism in how he’s depicted them—he has dabbled in the occasional magic black man (Jim Crow in the Invisibles, for instance). And great analysis, it’s good to see discussion of PoCs in comics. Has anyone heard about the controversy in The New Gods where the colorist made a mistake and turned a group of black characters white? I don’t know much about it because I’m not in America and only get my comic news off the web.

    Not being in America I haven’t had an opportunity to look at Virgin Comics, which I have heard is really great in introducing characters of color. Tere’s one comic I heard of, I think it’s called the 99, where each character has a power based on the 99 virtues of Islam.

    @ Jack D—I have always been bothered by Wakanda. I find it xenophobic and racist that Marvel, which is set in the real world, is so afraid of depicting Africa that they have to make up a fake country. A similar thing happened in The Interpreter, where they actually hired a linguist to make a made-up African language, and set it in a made-up African political context, rather than just set the movie in a real country, an existing political situation, and hire an African to translate the dialogue into an actual language.
    @ WestIndianArchie—yes, I think making “sand” her power is very problematic; it’s not like any of the American superheroes have the ability to shoot hot dogs out of their ass.

  82. Sarah J wrote:

    Lovely post! I was half-assedly clicking blog links this morning and not really reading anything, but this pulled me right in.

    Of course, I am one of the way more than two women who reads comics, loves comics, and writes about comics, though I don’t really read superhero books and thus have to take your word on Dust and the X-Men. I am fascinated with the male gaze in comics, though, and I think you’re spot on here with the note that Dust seems to fit into a Western victim narrative (another favorite topic of mine!) of the woman that needs to be saved by a man. And with that, of course, the idea that all Muslim men are evil and Muslim women victims who just need to be saved from them by…other men. Yeah, not so much. But even Grant Morrison’s still a white Western guy.

    @Latoya–you are quite right on the atheist point as well. had a bit of drama on that subject this week myself. Hell, at least religious people, when they want to save your soul, tend not to call you an idiot.

    I hope I’m not being too shameless in posting a link to an interview I did with G. Willow Wilson, who is a Muslim woman and a comics writer. I do think it’s relevant to this discussion–which I’d love to see more of! yay comics. ;)

  83. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @Pheagan,

    I am not a comic book fan either, but you bring up a good point. Muslim women are not required to cover around other women. As a matter of fact, far from being frumpy, they often dress very fashion conscious underneath their abbyas or niqabs. Good point, I didnt think of that. Another reason why if they wanted to honestly represent a Muslim woman they should have gotten a Muslim woman to advise them!

  84. UnKommon sense wrote:

    I found the article very interesting reading. The only thing though it seems damned if you do damned if you dont when dicussing these traditions many of us dont understand, but that feeling to me means the article was balanced.

  85. jln wrote:

    Una wrote: “Are there non-Muslim heavily religious characters in X-Men? Perhaps in addition to not knowing much about the culture of Muslim women, the writers are ill-prepared to tackle a character that is religious in any way.”

    That’s true actually, there was an X-men storyline a year or two ago around Nightcrawler (a Catholic character) and an end-of-the-world/rapture thing that had all kinds of flaws as far as actual theology - but that’s still a bit of a different result just because of the demographics of the audience - there were a significant number of readers who complained about the misinformation there, while the number of readers who might know to complain about issues with Dust’s religion would be much smaller.

  86. Sobia wrote:

    Great post!

    The focus of this post was obviously more on religion than on ethnicity but I think the ethnicity aspect would be interesting to analyze on its own. For instance, as has been mentioned in the comments already Dust is supposed to be an Afghani girl yet she wears the abbaya and niqab (an Arab dress), and speaks Arabic. So it would seem she’s actually supposed to be Arab, not Afghani. This confusing depiction reeks of ignorance and ethnocentrism. Are all Muslims the same? (This kind of reminds me of how in Alladdin they had an Indian tiger named Raja (a South Asian name) in the Middle East.) Especially, as has also been mentioned, Afghanistan is not in the Middle East but has similarities to all the countries in its region. And the fact that they have similarities to so many other countries (Iran, Pakistan, and all the regions to the north) demonstrates the diversity of Afghanistan.

    This diversity has not only been completely ignored in this comic, but is always ignored when Afghanistan is covered in the media. For instance, what is Dust supposed to be? Tajik? Persian? Hazara? Pathan? The fact that she is shown to be an enemy of the Taliban suggests that she is not Pathan. Not to say that Pathans necessarily support the Taliban BUT there are major and intense ethnic divisions in Afghanistan and the Taliban are Pathans. If you were Pathan in Afghanistan then you may consider the Taliban your protector from the other ethnicities who have traditionally been your mortal enemies. You may not like them but it seems in Afghanistan Pathans are being terribly marginalized presently and the Taliban could be their only representatives. Those more familiar with the dynamics of ethnic relations in the country could better comment.

    Even the Taliban is not one monolithic entity with one central leader. There are different factions with somewhat different agendas. (btw…I am in no way defending the Taliban here - just saying it isn’t that simplistic)

  87. Cora wrote:

    @ Pheagan

    Yes, she does take off her abayah when she’s in her room or around other women. There are several scenes in later comics where she’s conversing with her roommate (Laura, a.k.a. X-23) in Arabic and is wearing pajamas, not her abayah. There’s another scene where she, Mercury, and X-23 and hanging out and having a slumber party and she’s also not wearing her abayah.

    Marvel has made up other countries as well. Dr. Doom, for example, is from Latveria, a fictional European country. Karma is from Madripoor, a fictional Southeast Asia country. In my opinion, I’d rather them make up an idealized African country than try to grapple (and, more than likely, get incorrect), the complex social and political issues of a real one.

    Finally, I think sand is a cool power. The author’s are portraying her power aggressively; it’s not like she’s turning into a sand castle or something. Furthermore, other characters have shown environmental powers (like water, metal, or fire). Why is sand so problematic?

    I feel like most of the people who’ve responded in this post have come into the middle of a discussion without any idea of the context. While the original poster’s essay is a good one, it certainly isn’t the sum totality of the character.

  88. Cora wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan

    Dust does uncover when she’s around other women, such as in her room.

    However, you have to remember a lot of the comi