White Men Can’t Jump, or Run, Some Say

by Special Correspondent Nadra Kareem

Dancing. Singing. Running.

These are just a few of the areas in which blacks are supposed to excel. With the Olympics in session, interest in blacks’ so-called prowess in the last of the trio above has been renewed.

Slate.com is a case in point. In the site’s “Explainer” section, the following question was posed: Why are Jamaicans So Good at Sprinting?

Slate answered the question by citing studies that found that West Africans tend to have higher numbers of muscle fibers responsible for “short, explosive bursts of action” than whites do—an advantage in running competitions. It also included this nugget of information:

“So far, there is no evidence that even extensive training can turn slow-twitch muscles into fast-twitch ones, though moving in the other direction is possible.”

In short, white folks don’t stand a chance against those of West African descent in track and field events. Even if they work hard, they can’t develop the innate skills that blacks have in the sport.

This response is problematic for all sorts of reasons. On one level, it robs track and field Olympians of West African descent of their accomplishments. It insinuates that these athletes didn’t triumph because of hard work but because they have an innate sprinting ability. Underlying this insinuation is the notion that whites are being unfairly disadvantaged. This idea—that blacks are advantaged to whites’ disadvantage—extends far beyond running.

When blacks achieve in the professional or academic world, there is the same sort of outcry. How often have you heard this argument in some form: Successful blacks would not have achieved what they had or been admitted to the university they attended without affirmative action. And that, say disgruntled whites, amounts to “reverse racism.”

Why can’t blacks simply be allowed to enjoy an achievement without having doubt cast on it, without someone protesting that they didn’t do it because of hard work or self-reliance but because they were given a hand-out, be it on the legislative front or from Mother Nature? Moreover, why are black athletes always subjected to such scrutiny? Do blacks demand to know why the best swimmers or hockey players are overwhelmingly white? Do blacks cite studies that identify a European gene that gives whites an advantage in these sports, all the while pouting that they’re being unfairly disadvantaged?

The answer, of course, is no. That’s a good thing, as the field of performance genetics is still considered suspect in the scientific community. A thoughtful Slate reader was kind enough to point this out, as well as the following, in the comments section:

“Athletic performance is determined by a complex mixture of multiple genes and many interacting environmental factors (diet, training, culture, etc.). Although genes are certainly important, ACTN3 alone is not the explanation: this gene predicts only around 2% of the variation in muscle strength and sprint performance in the general European population, and is likely just one of dozens or even hundreds of genes that contribute to athletic prowess.”

Even with these facts pointed out, I wonder how many of Slate’s readers will insist on discounting the achievements of black track and field athletes by arguing that blacks have a biological edge. Whites, you see, aren’t on a level playing field.

To be white is so unfair.

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Latoya’s Note -

The conversation over on Slate about the nature of scientific studies is beneficial in light of some past conversations about the how bias can taint a scientific study. Here are some of the more relevant comments:

Reply to: Why are Jamaicans so good at sprinting?
by windorchard
08/19/2008, 8:45 AM #
Reply

I find it disappointing that Slate has included this story at all. These findings merely indicate a correlation, and they say nothing about causation. We could just as likely attribute greater skill at sprinting to having dark skin rather than having active ACTN3. Or we could argue that the Jamaican diet explains these differences rather than genes (the logic is the same).

In order to establish causation, we would need to select a group of roughly equally skilled athletes who all lack this gene, genetically modify half of them so that this select subgroup subsequently had an active ACTN3 gene, and then test the two groups to see if we see any differences in their athletic performances. If we notice such a difference, then we might be able to make a causal link between these variables. Of course such research would violate a number of ethical principles; however, for the sake of argument, we would need a procedure like this in order to begin to consider the questions posed by the article. I wish the Slate author had discussed this significant weakness in her paper. Without such a discussion, too much room is left for misinterpretation of the summarized findings.

Another weakness of this article is the fact that it does not appear that any of the winning Jamaican athletes referenced underwent any testing to see if they actually have this genetic trait. So, again, we don’t know if the trait had anything to do with their success at all — remember, not all Jamaicans have this trait. And for those who managed to win without this trait, how do we explain this?

This piece really annoys me for two reasons. First, it undermines the legitimacy of the hard work that these Jamaican athletes have put in because it implies that they had an unfair advantage that non-Jamaican athletes lack. Second, it does not address the history of racism behind such research. Specifically, I have yet to see a study examining the genetic cause of why White athletes tend to dominate at water polo, swimming and diving, and other stereotypically “White” sports. There is a reason that these questions are not asked, and I think addressing this issues would be at least as (if not more) interesting as the questions posed by the present article.

In the future, I hope that Slate does a better job distinguishing between correlational designs and true experiments, as well as addressing how the biases of researchers influences not only the questions they ask, but the conclusions they draw concerning their findings.

Slate really dropped the ball on this.

Re: Reply to: Why are Jamaicans so good at sprinting?
by Vashti
08/19/2008, 10:20 AM #
Reply

Windorchard, I could not have said it better! The journalist behind this article exemplifies the dangerous disconnect between true science and science interpretation and reporting. The average layman will read that article and believe it to be a legitimate representation of the actual science involved — when it is not.

I also like your comment about how the biases of scientist affect the type of questions they formulate. I have been a firsthand witness to this, and can say that science becomes repulsive when its methodology is skewed by social stereotypes.

Seriously, reporters need a course in causal inference!

I think you went overboard with this
by ayalonValley
08/19/2008, 3:13 PM #
Reply

the fact that there is an history of racism behind ethnicity-based research does NOT mean that we will never be able to conduct any research, or postulate theories that will have to be proved or disproved. Your demand for totally outrageous conditions for performing research (genetically modify people …) thinly masks the fact you do not want ANY research that might find a difference between ethnic groups. BTW I am not claiming that such difference exists or was proved in this case; but I am annoyed at the attempt of muzzling any discussion of these subjects by raising the “racism” flag. At some point I believe this is self-defeating, and will contribute to more people believing in this.

as for this:

“Specifically, I have yet to see a study examining the genetic cause of why White athletes tend to dominate at water polo, swimming and diving, and other stereotypically “White” sports”

Very weak, my friend. All these sports, as has been pointed time and again, need MONEY which does not exist in poor, non-white countries, nor in poor, non-white population areas in developed countries.

Re: I think you went overboard with this
by texyank
08/19/2008, 3:29 PM #
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Training and traveling to international track meets is not a “money sport”? Pretty weak arguement. I’m pretty sure they have plenty of water in Jamaca to swim in.

Re: I think you went overboard with this
by windorchard
08/19/2008, 6:33 PM #
Reply

As I was taught to practice science (and perhaps it differs across fields), one does not “prove” anything with science; one supports hypotheses. So, science is not an objective enterprise, it is one based on aggregated studies, analyses, and opinions. If science was clear and objective, we would not be having this debate.

I was taught that one must ask why one is performing a particular study and also consider what the ramifications of your findings might be. And yes, I was taught that some studies perhaps should not be done. I suspect you would agree that there are some studies that should not be done. We merely appear to disagree on which studies fall into which category.

My concern with cross-cultural studies like the one that precipitated this discussion lies in the fundamental understanding of correlation, causation, and research methods. Unless you can actually manipulate your independent variables, it is impossible to make causal statements. Therefore, all comparisons of men and women, Blacks and Whites, or any group of people who already come to a study having already been ascribed a quality that a researcher might like to use as an independent variable is automatically confounded. This is not something that is my opinions. This is what the scientific method says.

Does this mean we ought never conduct such studies. Certainly we ought! Sometimes such studies are very useful. However, those of us who do such work (and I sometimes do such work) must be conscientious to convey to those who read our work that our findings are merely correlational, and therefore must be carefully considered.

Further, I believe that researchers have a responsibility to try (even if we are not always successful) to not do research that harms people, particularly the people we are studying. In the present era, many cross-cultural studies (though not all of them) have great potential for harm, and must be undertaken with great thoughtfulness.


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Comments

  1. merq wrote:

    Oh no!

    Slate really does bother me sometimes. They should’ve known better than to just throw this out there. Do we remember the responses elicited by photos of Serena William’s fantastically muscular physique on (was it) AOL a few months back?

    All whites were deemed unfairly disadvantaged for having to compete with grotesque “monsters” like her and her sister — and this conclusion was reached without the “benefit” of scientific factors.

  2. merq wrote:

    hey, is there anything we can do about this error that keeps coming up?

    You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.

    I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s lost fairly long comments this way.

  3. Pookumssays wrote:

    Yeah, I’m pretty sick and tired of how the mainstream media and certain groups like to explain away people of color’s achievements by arguing that it all comes down to genetics. I’ve known several people who are still angry that they weren’t the top athletes in their high school because “as hard as I worked out, I just can’t compete with … you know.” These types of comments demean poc as something other than the norm; you can be a good athlete, just if you are better than everyone else and a poc, then it must be those super-athlete genes (which in this case isn’t read as a good thing), or you can be smart, just if you are smarter than everyone else (read white people), it is because you are a superbrain/asian nerd/a robot and it’s those special Asian genes that give you the inhuman power to do nothing but study all day. The most ridiculous article I’ve read of late, and I’m sorry I can’t post it here b/c I lost the lame link, is that white people shouldn’t bother learning Chinese because it is too difficult of a language and Chinese people have special genes that allow them pronounce the different tones not heard in some western languages. Hahaha. Tell that to all my fourth generation Chinese friends who can’t speak a word of Chinese. Attributing certain characteristics to certain races and pinpointing genetics is racism at its most fundamental level. Sorry for the rant, but I’ve been noticing a backlash against being “PC” lately that is pervasive and incredibly disturbing. This country is headed back fifty years in the wrong direction. People seem to confuse being PC with not being racist. Though there may be a fine line between the two, they are different concepts. PC can hide a tremendous deal of racism and now that certain people believe that no longer wanting to be PC is cool, their inner racist comes crawling out of the woodwork. I had an unbelievable class last night with an unbelievable instructor. This girl stuck her foot in her mouth, then pulled it out and stuck it in her rear end, saying things that I imagine was de rigeur in the fifties, yet this was a well-educated and cosmopolitan woman in her late twenties, to a class that was about half poc. Welcome to the new centuery of race relations.

  4. Mary wrote:

    “Your demand for totally outrageous conditions for performing research (genetically modify people …) thinly masks the fact you do not want ANY research that might find a difference between ethnic groups.”

    LOL! Translation: “Real science is hard, so let’s settle for shoddy science.”

  5. Abu Sinan wrote:

    I liked the comment made by one Jamaican sports journalist the other day when asked why the Jaimancan team did so well. He responded that track and field, as a sport, occupies an important position in Jamaican society and culture that allows children to excell from an early age.

    He mentioned that Jamaican children practice their technique and perfect it at an early age at school.

    To me, more than anything else, this would explain why they do so well. If your culture and society prize something and you work on it since a child, of course you are going to do well.

    It is all about hard work, not genetics, unless someone is going to come up with a gene that explains why Northern European people tend to dominate the various skiiing competitions.

    Could it be because these sports are national sports there, like track and field is in Jamaica, and hence it’s people tend to excel in them?

  6. Andrew wrote:

    Do blacks demand to know why the best swimmers or hockey players are overwhelmingly white? Do blacks cite studies that identify a European gene that gives whites an advantage in these sports, all the while pouting that they’re being unfairly disadvantaged?

    Yes, they do. In fact, blacks and others rationalize that whites are better in sports such as swimming, gymnastics, and hockey because blacks are not afforded equal chances.

    Blacks believe that the cause of their lack of performance in these sports is sheer discrimination (not because Whites are simply better at those sports).

  7. BrianVS wrote:

    Where’s Stephen Jay Gould when you need him?

  8. Lyonside wrote:

    I was thinking about racial disparities when watching with my cousins this weekend - the coverage was flipping between Gymnastics and Track.

    THIS kind of bad ’science’ is why I want to teach science to kids - so that even if they don’t persue a science field, when they read things like this, they’d have the background to see the assumptions and flaws in the reasoning.

    It reminds me of the so-called “studies” that claim that XYY males are uncontrollably aggressive and therefore common in the prison population… and then the only men tested for the XYY trait were violent prisoners, not non-violent offenders or men in the general population. The hell?

  9. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    In all fairness, the article gave two paragraphs of cultural explanations after the two paragraphs of genetic explanations. It wasn’t all about the genetics.

    So Nadra Kareem doesn’t like the nature explanation and prefers a nurture explanation? Black athletes are more successful in some sports because they’re more self-reliant and work harder? In other words, white athletes are lazy and shiftless compared to black athletes?

    If we reversed this argument and applied it to blacks, it wouldn’t sound too good. Does it sound better when applied to whites? Hmm.

  10. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Rob -

    And yet, the genetics part was the lead, which seemed to me to be the weakest part of the argument.

    I don’t think Nadra is arguing it is a simple as nature vs. nurture. She is arguing against the nature argument that comes up time and time again. The Slate commenter quoted in her piece gives an accurate sum of the factors that comprise athletic winners. And it varies - we’ve all been watching the Olympics and seeing the world’s best compete with each other - sometimes, a loss can just come down to a couple bad days.

  11. nat, london wrote:

    If Jamaican track success is down to West African genes, then why are there never any West African athletes in the sprint finals only black Caribbeans and black Americans?

  12. noman wrote:

    Andrew, two quick questions:

    1) Do you have any examples of “blacks” claiming discrimination affects their performance in hockey, gymnastics, and swimming to share with us?

    2) Black people actually watch hockey?

  13. islandgirl550 wrote:

    I am a Jamaican-American and I cannot run, sprint, or do any of those things. I have flat feet, bad knees, and a weird gait. Guess that gene missed me. Sigh…

    This article is just so weird. If it was all about people of West African decensent having this special gene where were the participants from
    Trinidad, St. Vincents, Dominica, Martinique Haiti, Guyana, and Guadaloupe? There are decendants of West Africa there too…

  14. Lisa J wrote:

    Just to lighten things up, remember what Chris Rock said about hockey, “they better hope they don’t put some heaters in those ice rinks, cause then we’ll take over hockey too!” :-) Seriously though, why is it that when a group other than whites really focus on a sport or anything and start to excel it is just that “those other people are too good?” Up until the 50’s/60’s blacks couldn’t play basketball or baseball with whites and there was some sort of arguement that blacks were inherently inferior in sports and weaker (despite the attempts to “breed” us to be strong in slavery so we could work harder, better faster in the fields.) Now we are too superior in those things. There also used to be an arguement that all Asians were less intelligent than whites back in the 19th century (when the Chinese were used for building the railroads) to the extent that mentally disabled people were refered to as “mongoloid” then once Chinese (and other Asians) were given a fair shake in terms of access to education and entire families came rather than just men coming alone, and old world habits of discipline came along so some (especially middle class Asians) began to do well in schoool suddenly, they were too smart relative to American whites. Funny how that always works, huh?

  15. bas bleu wrote:

    The trouble is that black performance once again has to be understood in terms of the body. We can’t ever start with training or culture. It’s always - hey, they’re genetically different! And oh yeah, there’s some cultural stuff.

    Imagine if ALL of the many recent stories about China’s rise to economic dominance started with “dealing with” or “debunking” the idea that they are genetically superintelligent.

  16. crogirl wrote:

    @ Abu Sinan, you took the words right out of my mouth. Why are all the great soccer (futbol) stars from all over the world except the US? Not because Americans aren’t physically able, but because it’s not a prized sport in our country. I love your analogy to skiing and northern Europe.

    And honestly, if someone works hard enough, they can accomplish it, despite any preconceived notions of their race/gender/etc. being inferior in that sport - remember the Jamaican Bobsled team? LOL!

  17. dave wrote:

    windorchard is a very smart person.

  18. Ismone wrote:

    Many elite athletes have genetic abnormalities (i.e., a very common one is hemoglobin that bonds oxygen better than average), but hell, my VO2 max numbers are good, and I’m not an elite athlete. Funny how that works out.

    PS–My weightlifting instructor in college (who had a significant background in exercise physiology and was a pentathlete) explained to us that most of the time we aren’t using all of our relevant muscle fibers. So it may not be the proportion of slow-twitch fibers that is important, it may be the ability to train our body to make use of more of them at once. Just a thought, and an example of how ridiculously complex the matter is.

  19. Ismone wrote:

    Argh. Fast-twitch, I think, since we’re discussing sprinters.

  20. Thea wrote:

    “Why can’t blacks simply be allowed to enjoy an achievement without having doubt cast on it, without someone protesting that they didn’t do it because of hard work or self-reliance but because they were given a hand-out, be it on the legislative front or from Mother Nature?”

    Thanks Nadra, a lot of friends have been talking about race divisions in sports (not just in running, but also in how all the swimmers are white, how many gymnasts are Chinese or Eastern European…) and this angle didn’t occur to me.

    I prefer arguments that use culture to explain why some groups play some sports. Like white Canadians are good at hockey (or camping!) because of geography - really, what else are you going to do for the 8 months of the year that everything is covered in ice? - class and history.

    A question for everyone:

    if the Slate article had been talking about not just how black people are (allegedly) better runners, but also how white people are better swimmers and Chinese people are better gymnasts, would the article have been less offensive? Or maybe any sweeping statements based on genetics are disturbing.

  21. Gironde wrote:

    Recent scientific reports suggest that Jamaicans may also possess a superior “bobsledding gene” that affords them greater skill in pushing and jumping into objects on ice.

  22. Jorge wrote:

    To Noman,
    Black people do watch hockey. I am from Montreal, Quebec, Canada and let me tell you that I am a very big hockey fan and so are almost all members of my extended family.
    This is my personal opinion, but I think that most Black Canadians are hockey fans and do watch hockey since it is Canada’s national sport. Jarome Iginla (Nigerian father, Anglo-Canadian mother) was an MVP finalist this year.
    I have to agree with Abu Sinan, culture has a lot to do with what sport people from some countries excel at. For instance, in South Africa rugby which to me is pretty similar to American football (i.e NFL) is considered a White Sport but Soccer is considered a Black sport. Most White South African kids gravitate to rugby while most Black South-African kids go for Soccer.
    But in the USA, most NFL players are Black!

  23. sue wrote:

    But what about the claims about Michael Phelps physique? He’s been claimed to have freakishly short legs and very long arms, which in turn would aid him in moving efficiently through water. How is that any different?

  24. Penni Brown wrote:

    Nadra - thanks so much for writing about this. I was so incensed when I read it that I emailed Latoya from my real email address. LOL

    I didn’t even have time to use my cyber cover. I like how you pointed out that this kind of ‘pouting’ (that’s so unfair, they have an advantage!) argument comes up whenever we dominate an activity. I came at it from that angle too on my blog.

    Don’t sleep though, they link our failure to dominate in some things as genetic also. What we have to do is not perpetuate that kind of foolishness.

  25. bas bleu wrote:

    Thea - No, it wouldn’t be less disturbing. It would be that ridiculous Jon Entine book, “Taboo.”

    But I still think it’s important to talk about how we never start with “white genes” to explain white performance.

  26. Penni Brown wrote:

    To Thea - I find ANY link between achievement and genetics to be offensive. When the MSM does features on stereotypical white sports, they go in depth on how many hours they train, how disciplined they are, how hard they’ve worked to get to this moment.

  27. thelegacymaker wrote:

    Wow. What an excellent post and topic of discussion!

  28. Mogs wrote:

    ok, i agree with everyone that the factor with the most impact here is culture, not genetics.
    but, i really dislike this one statement: saying that people of West African descent are genetically predisposed to be good sprinters “robs track and field Olympians of West African descent of their accomplishments. It insinuates that these athletes didn’t triumph because of hard work but because they have an innate sprinting ability”
    using this as a counterargument to the study is wrong because it legitimizes the idea that if an individual does have a genetic advantage, their achievements are worthless.
    other types of genetic advantages (tallness for a volleyball player, short stature for a gymnast, etc) are commented on in a positive way, and it’s recognized that yes this athlete has an advantage, but that isn’t used to say that the athlete didn’t work hard. no one says, well, Dalhauser is pretty good at volleyball, but only cuz he’s 6′8″. so if a solid, well-done study ever does support that people of West African descent genetically have more fast-twitch muscle, that shouldn’t be used to undermine their achievements. every single athlete at the Olympics has worked very hard to get there… and probably many of them do have some kind of genetic predisposition, in the most general sense, to their sport. again, you won’t see a 6′1″ gymnast, or many 4′10″ volleyball players, or many discus throwers built more like a distance runner or vice versa. it doesn’t mean that their accomplishments don’t count.

  29. Brigitte wrote:

    @”He responded that track and field, as a sport, occupies an important position in Jamaican society and culture that allows children to excell from an early age.”

    This is it in a nutshell and it makes perfect sense. I don’t understand why this simple statement is so hard for the media to understand. Why does a muthaf*ckka think that he has to bring a #$@! chart into every conversation?

  30. CVT wrote:

    I, personally, hate all of these kinds of sweeping generalizations and faulty “science” that try to explain why certain races/ethnicities are better at things than others. How is it so easy for “scientists” to forget that there is no real genetic basis for race? You do a double-blind study (i.e. they don’t know whose genes they’re looking at) on people of different races, looking for genetic markers like this, and I can guarantee that they wouldn’t be able to come up with any of the arguments they make here. It’s ridiculous.

    Nobody argues that Chinese have genetically superior “gymnastics muscles.” No, instead, everybody talks about how the tyrannical, overly-strict training regimen from an early age (as representative of “Asian” culture) is the culprit. Except - doesn’t that really apply to every gymnast in the Olympics (just look at these young female gymnasts, and imagine how little real lives they’ve been allowed - the AMERICAN ones)?

    Sure - sometimes cultural arguments make sense. But, sometimes, they just don’t. It’s just sad that white folks always need some explanation to justify why they didn’t win something. Can’t it just be that the other person was better? If I have no problem saying Phelps is just a really damn good swimmer and works his ass off - and that’s why he wins - why can’t white folks let that be the answer for PoC winning their events?

    It’s the freaking WORLD we’re competing against here - it’s just statistical probability that says a lot of other races are going to be winning things, so why do we have to come up with “excuses”?

    Damn. Next time I find a pinball machine and can’t get the ridiculous high score put up by a white guy, I’m going to come up with some scientific argument as to why I never had a chance to beat that white guy’s score in the first place (and forget that I don’t play pinball and that guy probably plays all the time).

  31. AC wrote:

    @ Noman - yes black people DO watch hockey, but ONLY in Canada per the Secret Council of American Negro rules (h/t The Black Snob.com). I believe if you are American and cross the border into Canada you are then allowed to watch Hockey while in Canada. lol!

    @ Islandgirl550 - what? No love for Barbados? You wound.

    More on point: While I haven’t read the Slate article I find the premise troubling because I hear a lot of this same subtext in the “color” commentaries to some of these olympic games. I kid you not, there was even a remark about how it is “in the nature of the Brazilians to be emotional”. At the time the allegation was the women’s soccer team was too emotional to mentally get past Germany in the semi-finals. This was right before they blew out Germany 4-1 and went on to secure a spot in the gold medal match. Interestingly enough (snark alert) there was no further discussion of the Brazilian emotion and the Germanic stocism after the first Brazilian goal.
    I could cite other examples. I think its all the time I spend on this blog that has further opened my eyes to the subtext all around me. Thanks… I think.

  32. CVT wrote:

    Mogs -
    Good point, but the difference is that we talk about specific INDIVIDUAL’S genetics, NOT their race.

    I.e. Phelps has physical advantages in the way he’s built to be a great swimmer. However, nobody ever says that WHITE PEOPLE have physical advantages to be great swimmers (and that’s why they always win).

    That’s a HUGE difference in what’s happening here - and the difference in why one thing is okay to say (about an individual) and why the other is so ridiculous.

    Of course every individual Olympic athlete has some sort of “advantaged” phenotype to have made them compete at such a high level (work alone can never get you there). But the questions is: why do we look only at black folks as A WHOLE and then claim ALL OF THEM have the SAME genetic advantage? Because “they” are “all the same,” right?

    See the difference?

  33. bas bleu wrote:

    Mogs - Interesting points… I would add that the way the sport has been created (the rules, the history, the equipment - and yes, even track has equipment and rules and history) helps to dictate what body shapes are seen as ‘perfect.’ If the absolute tallest people were 5′6″, you could be a top volleyball player at 5′3″. You don’t see 6′1″ (female) gymnasts because the equipment isn’t made for them, and if young girls get bigger and taller, they are discouraged from continuing the sport.

    That said, the problem is that we talk about black bodies often to the exclusion of black peoples’ training and acumen. We don’t HAVE to, but that’s what happens. We know the old observations about black athletes being ‘fast’ (but don’t like to practice, and aren’t team players) and white athletes being ’smart’ or ‘dedicated.’

    I think back to when Lance Armstrong was in the news all the time. Yeah, they talked about his body, but the MAIN thing they talked about was his self-discipline. I haven’t been following the Phelps stories - can anyone comment on that?

  34. Monie wrote:

    How would Slate explain the success of American White sprinter Jeremy Wariner?

    Also I’m not sure how their science would predict the sprinting ability of Asians but before Liu Xiang was injured he was the favorite in the 100m hurdles.

    Finally; a Black guy medaled in swimming at the Olympics, but I don’t want to further confuse the people at Slate.

  35. Cynthia wrote:

    bas bleu: It seems that media are obsessed with Phelps’ diet and how he eats enough calories to feed a small village.

  36. Chris wrote:

    @Abu Sinan:

    I was just about to reference that. I heard it yesterday on NPR, and the spokesman from Jamaica described how deep running runs (no pun intended) in Jamaican culture.

    I’m fairly sure that if other countries trained and held nationwide competitions for runners starting from kindergarten onward, there’d be stiffer competition against Jamaica in the Olympic running events.

    @crogirl:

    Exactly. I’m sure if they let American football into the Olympics, the United States would dominate that sport very quickly.

    Why? Because it’s as ingrained into our culture as running is for the Jamaicans.

    Although one thing would be clear: all the gold-medal runningbacks would be black and all the gold-medal quarterbacks would be white.

    Why? People of European descent carry a gene that promotes a greater number of muscle fibers concentrated in their throwing arm muscles than others. It’s why whites dominate the shotput and discus events! =P

  37. bas bleu wrote:

    Cynthia - LOL. Thanks. i saw a clip on that, but I didn’t realize that it was the main story about his success. Nothing about his aerodynamic (hydrodynamic?) long, skinny European nose?

  38. CVT wrote:

    Sue -
    My comment (#32) above answers your question.

  39. Dr. Joseph Graves Jr wrote:

    The research discussed by Slate on the genetic basis of Jamaican sprinting ability is severely flawed. They didn’t do an exhaustive interview of geneticists or scientists who do work in this area, certainly no one called me to comment on this claim. In 2005 I wrote about genetic claims related to African ancestry and track & field (in The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America) and this year I have 3 articles on race in sports in The Encylopedia of Race and Racism.

    The first flaw results from the idea that sprinting (a complex athletic ability) can be reduced to the differences in one specific genetic locus (even one that contributes to muscle fiber type.) We don’t have extensive surveys of even this locus in world populations, so we can’t say that Jamaica is the only country that has high frequencies of this gene. For example, even with the reported frequencies in the article, the United States should have produced far more world class sprinters than Jamaica, due to population size alone. The article’s argument also relied on muscle fiber type measurements (the Quebec study) that were by no mean inclusive and we again simply don’t know about the distribution of these frequencies with any accuracy across the world. I also reviewed the literature on hormone levels and showed similar flaws with regard to how these are related to supposed sprinting ability.

    What is most interesting about this question is why does it always result when some group of African derived people excel in track and field, when at the same time no one is making a genetic argument over Michael Phelps 8 gold medals in swimming? The same muscle groups that are used by runners are used in swimming. The dialog has been located on Phelps coaching, the dedication of his mother, his training schedule, and to some degree his feet size, but no one is searching for genetic variants accounting for these. This reveals the inherent racial ideology behind claims of genetic difference accounting for the supposed greater athleticism of Africans and their supposed limited cognitive potential.

  40. Abu Sinan wrote:

    I wonder where Tiger Woods fits into all of this? Where did he get the white genetics from to be a master of a “white” sport?

    All of this stuff is nonsense. I have to cosign what a previous poster said about access.

    If people do not have access to the places, arenas and equipment to play a sport, how can they succede?

    What next……a study on the white genes needed to win in polo and cross country horse racing or arena horse jumping?

    It is all about access. Give everyone equal access to the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to have a line or horses for jumping or polo and you’d be surprised at the racial diversity you’d find at the next olympic polo competition.

  41. Chris wrote:

    @CVT:

    Good point.

    Just remember… if you’re going to be “scientific” about this issue, please recognize that the many many numbers of genes that control skin color, and the gene(s) that determine the ratio of a person’s fast-twitch to low-twitch muscle fiber ratio are mutually exclusive.

    Just like you’re not absolutely guaranteed to have blue eyes if your hair is blonde and vice-versa.

    That’s a fact most people should’ve learned in 8th and 9th grade science.

  42. bas bleu wrote:

    Thank you, Dr. Graves!!!

  43. queenofsheba wrote:

    Hm. Well, here’s a question (more a thought experiment than anything else): leaving aside the tricksyness of having good methods and getting a simple result like this–what if this (Jamaicans having more fast-twitch muscle fibers) were true? We all know that the eyes you look through have a lot to do with what you look for and whether you find it; but theoretically, a “hard” result–a ratio of fast-twitch to slow-twitch fibers in different populations–is possible, although difficult to do impeccably. How should we, as anti-racist and scientifically savvy people, react to something like that?

  44. gatamala wrote:

    CVT and bas bleu, good points.

    Bas~ as I was addicted to swimming, they commented on his minute by minute regimen at the games. All hard work, no talk on the density of his Caucasian bones.’

    Merq & mods: I have the same problem at home. Always the WP comment.

  45. gatamala wrote:

    This reveals the inherent racial ideology behind claims of genetic difference accounting for the supposed greater athleticism of Africans and their supposed limited cognitive potential.

    THANK YOU DOC GRAVES for explaining the code.

    This discussion is not benign or sincere.

    The superior physical and athletic attributes is a backhanded swipe at intelligence. An argument that has been made to justify slavery, Jim Crow and everything else.

    It is not about how good the Jamaicans are at running fast, or how Kenyans are good at running forever or how Black Americans can jump high and far. It IS about how mentally subhuman and physically freakish Negroids are.

  46. Mary wrote:

    The obsession with Michael Phelps’ physique seems analagous to the way people remark on Yao Ming’s height - I guess there’s a tinge of “wow, these guys sure hit the genetic lottery for their chosen sport,” but it still focuses on the individual rather than some alleged inherent racial characteristic.

    (Or at least, I’m not aware of that happening with Yao Ming’s height, but I admittedly have not followed his coverage extensively)

  47. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    It is all about access. Give everyone equal access to the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to have a line or horses for jumping or polo and you’d be surprised at the racial diversity you’d find at the next olympic polo competition.

    @ Abu Sinan: yesterday I was wondering WHY there are more Blacks in sports like track & field whereas there aren’t many Blacks in gymnastics or equestrain.

    I wonder it has to do with class, money and affordability? Because you’d need money to train in gymnastics and need a top coach– whereas with track & field, it’s different?

    but from your statement, I’d agree with you that it’s all about accessibility.

  48. Abu Sinan wrote:

    @DPF,

    I think it is ALL about money and access. Tiger Woods is the best example of this. In a sport dominated by whites all he needed was access, drive and a father who believed in him.

    Not everyone can be a world class athelete, but everyone should have the chance to find out if they have what it takes.

    Some sports just require a lot of money. all of the horse sports are good examples. Gymnastics is a good one as well because it requires a lot of expensive classes and coaches which are not usually provided at the public school system level.

    Track and field, on the other hand, is at most schools and available to almost everyone.

  49. bas bleu wrote:

    Queen - We all know that the eyes you look through have a lot to do with what you look for and whether you find it; but theoretically, a “hard” result–a ratio of fast-twitch to slow-twitch fibers in different populations–is possible, although difficult to do impeccably. How should we, as anti-racist and scientifically savvy people, react to something like that?

    I think we can say “yeah, certain characteristics cluster in certain populations, so what does that mean?” We talk about stuff like that all the time (eye shape and hair form…) What we can’t say that is that athletic excellence hinges on those characteristics. Athletic prowess is not a pure expression of genetics (in this case, one tiny fraction of someone’s genetics) - not even in something that seems as ‘purely’ bodily as running.

  50. Veronica wrote:

    I didn’t see this mentioned before, but if that theory were to hold, whites would have a lock on marathon running. Which we know they don’t.

  51. bas bleu wrote:

    Track and field, on the other hand, is at most schools and available to almost everyone.

    I would add that what sports people choose to play aren’t just about availability. It’s about their popularity, ‘coolness,’ the prospect of scholarship, gender norms, and so on. We had golf and tennis and soccer at our high school - almost no one played because it wasn’t ‘cool,’ and we had little exposure to such sports. The same thing with baseball (lots of exposure, but no one cared locally) and wrestling.

    I knew leggy girls who were sought after by the track team, but they didn’t want to run track - they wanted to be cheerleaders or pageant-types.

    My nephew is a track star and a football player. He was telling me that if he decides to pursue football, he’ll have to put on weight, which would slow him down as a runner. So, he might ultimately have to make a choice based on what he feels his best options are as a college student and perhaps as he imagines himself to be a professional athlete one day. I wonder what the situation is in Jamaica - are kids choosing between track and soccer? What sports do the fast kids play in Puerto Rico, Norway or Japan?

    Someone on Slate also said that they aren’t as tough on doping in Jamaica. I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s an interesting bit of science to consider as well.

  52. Lyonside wrote:

    In addition to cultural factors (thanks, Abu Sinan et al.), there are the racial disparities in the US (and elsewhere) that are often tied to economic disparities. It’s called institutional racism and its legacies.

    Why is soccer a global sport? Because all you need to learn the basic skills are an open field and a ball. Same for basketball (hell, my neighbors always used a plastic milk crate nailed to a tree). Same for long-distance marathons or sprinting.

    I know someone is gonna mention football, but that’s a slightly different case (large #s of students on a team + potential fundraiser = poorer schools willing and able to maintain a team).

    Why is hockey a sport usually associated with 1) cold weather nations and/or 2) wealthy first world nations (or at least the elite of a struggling country such as the former Eastern Bloc nations): because either hockey has to be learned outside in freezing weather, or there have to be lots of indoor facilities. In the US, kids and adult ice hockey is EXPENSIVE. Not just the equipment, but the cost of joining a team. We’re talking several hundred dollars difference between roller hockey (also indoors) and ice hockey. Street hockey is cheap - but how many street hockey pro teams can YOU name? My spouse is a goalie. He doesn’t join a team and just plays pickup or sub games, primarily because of cost.

    The same for indoor Olympic-caliber pools. You need money to maintain the facilities, time to practice, the right location to join the right teams (and often the type of family life that allows your parents to move to an area with better facilities).

    So at least in the US, if you are on the lower-economic scale, you are going to have a harder time accessing sports such as ice hockey, gymnastics, and swimming, at least at the level needed to entertain Olympic dreams.

    A disproportionate number of whites are higher income and live in areas that do have these facilities. A disproportionate number of ethnic minorities, particularly blacks and Latinos, are lower income and live in areas that do not have these facilities.

  53. Lyonside wrote:

    Or, you know, what Abu Sinan said in #48 (sorry, we crossposted).

  54. Brian wrote:

    Why do we even need to assume that all people of one race (or one country) excel for the same reason? We only do this with non-white, non-native athletes. The Euro’s are great basektball players because they have fundamentals! Blacks are great runners because they have fast-twitch muscles! The Chinese are dominating gymnastics because of their dedication! Isn’t is possible (likely? absolute?) that all, some, or none of these reasons apply to individuals’ success? We can easily look at white American athletes and talk about which ones are “pure talents” and which are “gritty gamers” and the like, attributing different reasons to their success. But when it is a non-culture-of-power group excelling, it must be because of ONE thing? I’d like to think, when the Jamaicans swept that one race the other day, the first woman won because of a ridiculous training regimen, the second one because of an intensely academic approach to her form, and the third one because she had legs the size of trees. WHY WHY WHY do we insist on ONE REASON to explain the actions of DIFFERENT PEOPLE???

  55. Brian wrote:

    I now see Dr. Graves brings up a great point that supports my own. We here about the SPECIFICS of Phelps success (foot size, diet, training, blah blah blah) but want to paint all the Jamaicans/blacks/dark people with one very broad brush…

  56. michael wrote:

    Great post and some insightful responses.

    Whenever the summer olympics roll around, articles like the one from Slate pop up like clockwork. The achievements of POC (blacks in particular) always get put under a microscope, because god forbid they actually trained hard, and worked for it.

  57. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    As always white people are individuals and black people are a race…Of coures if you do something exceptionally good (and not sports related) no one attributes that to Blackness…noooo…instead you are an exception to the rule…an articulate Black person doesn’t mean Blacks as a whole are articulate, it just means you are different from all the dumbass fast running Blacks out there right?

  58. Black Canseco wrote:

    See what happens when i oversleep on pacific coast time? i miss all the good stuff!

    I think what it comes down to, at least in my experience is the notion of either/or”. With Blacks it’s “you’re a good athlete/dancer/entertainer so you can’t possibly be good at anything else. You’re not meant to be good at anything else.”

    I’ve been in countless situations in my life as a black male where i’ve been expected to be good at sports for no reason other than being black. And an equal number of situations where i’m expected to be illiterate/less intelligent/socially irresponsible for the same reason.

    Blacks can be good sexually, but incompetent romantically/relationship-wise.

    Blacks can be good physically; but stunted mentally and emotionally.

    To be multidimensional-ized is to be fully human in our society. So we either/or those we deem lesser than as often as possible.

    Trust me: You haven’t lived until you’ve had a Fortune 500 client say “how does somebody like you learn how to write so well?” and have your white peers defend them as “hey you’ve gotta admit BC, you’re somewhat of an anomaly.”

    Now someone mentioned Jeremy Wariner as an example of “what about the white ones?”

    Well, I’ve yet to read or here anyone anywhere say that Jeremy’s background as a White male predisposes him to mental/emotional/cultural deficiencies. No, while Jeremy is a sprinter and physically elite, until he proves himself to be a bumbling idiot/poor parent/social irresponsible self-defeating/handout-seeking fool, we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Does anyone assume M. Phelps is some sort of physical savant whose success is the result of nothing more than “you know, he was just born like that”? No.

    And we don’t talk about his intellectual or character flaws, because we’ve decided to let him show them first, if they’re even there at all.

    Overall, do we pigeonhole gymnasts, swimmers, cyclists, skiers, skaters and sports populated by white athletes in the way we pigeonhole basketball players, sprinters and those sports which tend to be dominated by black athletes?

    I would argue “no.”

    Now this doesn’t ignore the “dumb jock” stereotype which can affect everyone across cultures, ethnicities, and genders. but the jock stereotype tends to be individualized more so with whites. The dumbest/most inept white male athlete doesn’t seem to reflect poorly on any other white male athletes or white males in general until they, as individuals, demonstrate some sort of commonality in behavior patterns or a track record worthy of being lumped together.

    Same for white females. I don’t know that anyone measures white women by what Shawn Johnson or Dara Torres or Diana Taurasi says or does. Do we assume assume that Shawn Johnson can’t be intelligent because she’s a gold medal gymnast? Do we assume that Dara Torres success is simply genetics or the result of some sort of athletic welfare program from God where she was just given talent and given success because she’s a woman?

    Conversely, if Usain Bolt shows himself to be articulate/smart and thoughtful, i.e. human–way too many will be way too surprised for all the wrong reasons. If the Jamaican/US Black athletes show themselves to be hard workers and that their success was at least as much about strategy, focus and character as their god-given abilities… again, way to many will be “pleasantly surprised” by that. (That’s assuming we choose to accept that possibility at all.)

  59. Faithful wrote:

    There is a significant strategic element to sprinting, especially in the 200m and 400m, where you can’t just run all out, you have to parcel out your energy. Form is also super-important for reaching max speed. You don’t just need a body for sprinting, you need a brain too. The racism in this article reminds me of the old trope about how white basketball players are “smart” or “hard-working” while black basketball players are “intuitive” or “natural.”

  60. NancyP wrote:

    The reason is obvious. Sports are very popular in Jamaica. School-age children don’t have access to expensive sports, so they compete in cheap sports and aspire to success in cheap sports. A larger percentage of the population is available for scouting in track and field sports, the government and populace want to support some Olympians, and track and field athletes are cheaper to train and field than ice skaters, for instance. Plus, once one citizen wins a medal, the interest in track and field increases…

    Kenya and marathon runners is another example of finding and nurturing talent in an inexpensive sport. Runners are national heroes, another reason why more people join the sport.

    Richer nations have a wide variety of sports available to young people, and the most likely 100-meter winner may be more interested in some other sport and never discover their talent.

    Olympians, including the losing ones, have incredible motivation and focus. Some may have more talent, motivation, focus, and luck than others, but they all put the rest of us to shame.

    Our new local Olympic Hero, Dawn Harper of E. St. Louis High, gold medal in 100-meter hurdles, shows her stuff in this great photo accompanying this article. She looks like she wants to gobble up the meters.:

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/olympics/story/AEC08B515865D588862574AB0000E17F?OpenDocument

  61. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    The new big thing now are allegations that the Jamaicans are doping….I am aware of the fact that many people in ‘athletics’ (that is what we call it) are doping but I feel like when the all-powerful United States doesn’t win something and especially when their favored white ones don’t win people just begin to whine and find excuses to diminish the other groups achievements. It is not doping when M. Phelps does it but it is doping when Usain Bolt does the same thing…wow

  62. JP wrote:

    Um, this comes up every time the Kenyans win marathon or long distance running titles. I think a country’s success in certain sports is directly related to the number of people who actively engage it at an early age and the importance that sport has to the society and culture. Over a million middle school-aged Kenyan children are said to run 40+ miles weekly and their participation in distance running is an important part of the culture. I challenge you to find even 10,000 American middle schoolers who run 40 miles a week. Americans are strong in baseball because we place a lot of importance on it, and importantly, we have millions of kids with higher ambitions who want to “make it.” When you have so many participants in a sport, coaches can train more to the maximum extent of their ability and those who can’t keep up with the training get weeded out while the stronger (usually those with better ability) continue to get nurtured. It is a numbers game, to an extent.

    The same is true with Jamaicans and track running… When you have millions of people honing their skills and participating in a sport, you increase your odds of having break out winners. Jamaican sprinters are seen as heros in Jamaica, not unlike our sports heros here. Same deal with Canadians and their ice hockey… generally Black people in this country do not place as much importance on ice hockey as a cultural phenomenon so you have less Black people training, excelling and honing their skills, not to mention the lack of popularity of ice rinks in more tropical climates. Swimming, is one of those sports where socioeconomic circumstances play a role (more pools, swimming programs in suburban white communities than in ethnically diverse urban communities) not to mention the importance of parental participation in the sports.

    Frankly, I’m surprised at the shortsightedness of the Slate article.

  63. Lyonside wrote:

    >Frankly, I’m surprised at the shortsightedness of the Slate article.

    Keep reading Slate, JP - you will not be surprised… more like numb. ;)

  64. Dwayne Richards wrote:

    It is unfortunate that you would so quickly label Slates’ Quote as problematic.
    To state that one is born with more fast twitch muscles than another is not problematic if it is a statement of fact. The men that make these statements work in a world that lives on numbers. The man should then not be at fault for his statements about the inability to create fast twitch muscles. There is no underlining assumption.

    Mod Note - The assumption is in the article title. - LDP

  65. london wrote:

    this is not happening..
    anyone analyse phelps and his ability to perform after eating 12K calories a day?

  66. Phrone wrote:

    I feel at some point, if you collected a list of all the stereotypes that exist around a specific ethnicity, they would just all end up cancelling each other out. How is one supposed to keep up? First you hear that black people are lazy (see any discussion on why blacks are overrepresented below the poverty line) but then you hear that they’re also these super!athletes against which poor little white people just can’t compete.

    I was in a bookstore a few days ago and this man was complaining about illegal immigration (which, not surprisingly, to him meant “Latinos be stealing my job!”) He managed to argue that Latinos (I mean, illegal immigrants) were both too hard working and too lazy to, you know, be good for society.

    But then again, when has racism ever made sense?

  67. Really? wrote:

    That’s like saying whites are better at swimming…b/c they’ve had more practice and of course everyone knows blacks are afraid of water. Riiiiiiight

    (This coming from a black former member of her HS Swim Team. )

  68. Brian wrote:

    Black Canseco-

    You never cease to impress. Well said, sir.

  69. Brian wrote:

    THANK YOU, BOB COSTAS! He just reported that, according to Usain Bolt’s father, the reason he runs so fast is all of the yams he eats. I love that someone was actually willing to look at Bolt as an individual and pull this explanation, as silly as it may be (though I’m sure no sillier than half of those attributed to Phelps).

    Now, let’s just hope that Slate doesn’t pull some pseudo science with this.

  70. anonymous wrote:

    re: media coverage

    Media definitely goes out of its way to justify why it is that black, not white, athletes are winning. And it is kind of exhausting to have to sift through such blatant (and not even well-written) disrespect for black athletes…especially compared to the awe surrounding Phelps.

    I just wanted to add re doping. I kind of think a lot of the athletes are doping, potentially Phelps and Bolt as well. I lean towards suspicion when athletes break records by huge margins with apparent ease. Yes, maybe they are just great athletes but, maybe they’re doping. Professional athletes aren’t just swimming/running because they love it. They’re under tremendous pressure to win for financial reasons as well. Also, fewer athletes have tested positive for doping during these Games than previous ones. Since I’m too cynical to believe that athletes are just getting more honest, I tend to think doping technology is just getting better and harder to detect. And the Olympics is all about money.

  71. jln wrote:

    The Slate bit is obviously full of nonsense, but the way to refute that isn’t to push that stuff (which loads of people probably believe) into a box with lots of incorrect bits in it.

    CVT wrote: “why do we look only at black folks as A WHOLE and then claim ALL OF THEM have the SAME genetic advantage?” and that’s actually *not* what’s being claimed - the fact that the stereotype is “West Africans are designed for sprint” and “East Africans are designed for distance” shows that it’s not about race in the American “this is black” sense, but about race in a more specific geographic sense. So still wrong, but not wrong in that specific way.

    Also, while clearly the genetics=ability idiots ought to think more about what countries produce which sportsmen, is Bolt the best example? From the bios that have been in the news here, he actually started out as a cricketer and switched to running because his cricket coach felt that he had talent.

    Finally: people joking about Jamaicans in bobsled - ever actually watched bobsled? Because the Jamaican team is famous mostly just for being there, not for actual results.

    It’s easy to say the the “genetics is everything” people are wrong, but it’s more convincing if there aren’t nitpicky distractions to take away from the counter-arguement!

  72. Peggy wrote:

    I’m embarrassed to say I initially read the Slate article and thought it was interesting. I need to read posts like this to bring me back to reality sometimes. The Genetic Future blog has a good technical explanation of why ACTN3 gene variation plays a role in sprinting success (http://www.genetic-future.com/2008/08/gene-for-jamaican-sprinting-success-no.html) but is not the reason why the Jamaicans have won so many races.

  73. r hope wrote:

    Bolt’s father claims that his son’s speed is a result of all those yams his son ate over the years.Growing up in Barbados, track did not require expensive equipment or facilities in the West Indies. Often people’s main way of travel was walking. For a century or more young people from these islands have competed locally, regionally and world wide.
    Their history of major international success has been miniscal until during the last decade. NB factors bearing on the vast improvement has been the
    financial support by local businesses and other local groups in
    1] making the availability of professional folks in coaching- many gaining their expertise from international institutions
    2] allowing these West Indian athletes to devote increasing time and energy into training and competing similar to USA track athletes.
    3] permitting promising young athletes frequently and for protracted periods of time to travel abroad, compete, live and train in England, Canada, USA etc.
    4] Any measure of success is recognised and often rewarded in a number of indirect ways back home.
    Over the past fifty years individual athletes did distinguish themselves in a number of international competitions- competing in the trials for a number of track events including the Olympics sometimes winning medals never willing a gold medal except Ben Johnson of Canada by way of the West Indies. Unfortunately he tested positive for enhancing drugs and was stripped of his medals I recall.
    In the past twenty five years athletes from these a number of these islands have inched closer and closer to the performance levels of USA born track athletes– many of whom are black.
    If these Jamaicans have all this special genes why did it take a century or more of participation in track to finally win a gold medal?
    This is the usual attempt by some white people to negate the performance of black folks with this bull— excuse when white folks loses— except the losers were not white but black. This makes even more dumb and assine.

  74. Lykathea Erilaz wrote:

    Stereotype threat is more insidious than we give it credit for. I noticed that the white women in many of the Olympic races were from Eastern Europe, where the stereotype that ‘blacks run better’ is less pervasive than in the race-obsessed West.

  75. Lauren O wrote:

    I just want to say that as a white person who is trying to educate herself about race, I didn’t read that Slate article as negating the hard work and training of Jamaican runners. It mentioned cultural reasons (but focused on genetics, as has been pointed out), and also said that white populations had the same fast-twitch gene, but in lower percentages.

    I’d also like to say to those who are saying that similar scrutiny wouldn’t be applied to Michael Phelps that a (white) friend called me the other day to say, “Did you hear? Michael Phelps is a genetic freak!”

    Which is not to say that the issue you’re discussing in this post isn’t totally legitimate. I’m sure many people will take away the message that blacks got an unfair advantage, and I’m glad you pointed that out, because it was quite educational to me. Just saying that not all of us will automatically dismiss black athletes, so don’t lose hope!

  76. Brian wrote:

    LaurenO-

    Your comment perfectly illustrates the point though. When it’s a white athlete, your friend says, “Phelps is a freak!” When it’s one black athlete, the comment is, “These blacks are freaks!” It is extrapolated in a way when it is done by POCs and individualized when done by whites.

  77. jln wrote:

    @Lykathea Erilaz

    I suspect that’s less about Eastern Europeans not having the same race stereotypes and more about them having a sports system that designed to find the national talent regardless of the level of a sport’s popularity.

  78. Adriella wrote:

    Excellent post. I find myself drawn to this blog.
    Me and my boyfriend have been talking about how Jamaica has been dominating track & field over the years in general as well as in the Olympics. I found the Slate article interesting but was very disturbed as most on this post at how easy it is for the media, especially the White american media to attribute the success of Black/minority athletes to genetics, doping, etc. It is very fitting tho, if you think about it. Blacks and other minorities are deemed inferior-PERIOD. When Blacks/minorities demonstrate superior excellence in academics, athleticism, etc., the 1st thought is never that it is due to hard work & dedication. Noooo! If Whites had nothing to do with Black/minority peoples success, then it isn’t success. Period. Its the age old story….what else is new?

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  79. geraldine wrote:

    there were no black people swimming. all of them were white or asian.

    there were no black american gymnasts. i wasn’t complaining.

    but ooOOOh, since there’s nothing but black runners, we get complaints.
    it’s really annoying.

  80. Lauren O wrote:

    Brian - Hmm, I see.

  81. Dr. Joseph Graves Jr wrote:

    Dear all, To demonstrate how ridiculous the Slate claim was about gene frequencies, here is a short calcultion to show how many more American world class sprinters there should be based on the gene frequencies they reported.

    SS SW WW
    Jamaica 0.70 0.27 0.03
    USA 0.60 0.35 0.05

    This table calculated the expected genotypes of the strong versus weak genotypes in each country.

    Now there are only 2,804,332 in Jamaica and 303,824,646 people in the USA. If we assume about 24% of their populations in age categories 15 - 30; we can multiply the frequencies of the SS and SW actn3 genotypes to calculate the number of potential world class sprinters.

    Jamaica: 673,040
    USA: 72,917,915

    Or the USA should produce 106 times more world class sprinters than Jamaica (by chance alone if ACTN3 is the major factor.) The genetic claim is revealed as sort of absurd, with a little bit numeracy!

  82. Dr. Joseph Graves Jr wrote:

    Dear Geraldine, There were persons of African descent swimming at the Olympics. For example, Cullen Jones formerly of North Carolina State University won Gold as part of the 4 x 100 USA rely. There were several Afro-French women in the olympics. In the USA, about 1% of competitive swimmers are African Americans. Here I argue access. My sons were competitive swimmers because my wife and I insisted on them trying the sport and the fact that we could afford the outrageous cost of membership in competitive swim clubs. The Greensboro YMCA and NC Aquablazers (African American Swim Team) have some excellent prospects for future gold.

  83. Will wrote:

    @Dr. Joseph Graves Jr

    You stated;

    “What is most interesting about this question is why does it always result when some group of African derived people excel in track and field, when at the same time no one is making a genetic argument over Michael Phelps 8 gold medals in swimming? The same muscle groups that are used by runners are used in swimming. The dialog has been located on Phelps coaching, the dedication of his mother, his training schedule, and to some degree his feet size, but no one is searching for genetic variants accounting for these. This reveals the inherent racial ideology behind claims of genetic difference accounting for the supposed greater athleticism of Africans and their supposed limited cognitive potential.”

    Amen!

    I’m Kenyan (so this whole discussion about being genetically gifted gets my hackes rising because every coin has 2 sides. When I hear Africans are genetically gifted for sports I also hear the other side of that coin regarding blacks supposed innate lower IQ (more on this)).

    The reason Kenyans (and Jamaicans) excel at running is;

    1: Its a huge national sports, a lot of effort goes into finding talent, training, training at altitude etc etc. Running in Kenya is almost the equivalent of baseball and football here. I

    2: Low barrier to entry due to the low costs.

    Now, regarding the whole genetic argument, I have a funny story. I’ve taken multiple IQ tests and score in the mid 130s-140s range. I was middle of the class in my high school and I can guarantee anyone who has gone through the stress and pressure of the Kenyan education system (it is drummed into you from very early that if you don’t do well in school you will amount to nothing) can ace intelligence tests. I joined Mensa as a lark based on my test scores. So its pretty obvious that I think intelligence tests don’t really measure much apart from how well you test (this is why there are SAT prep courses, if the SAT really measured intelligence then why would preparing for it and practicing raise one’s score?). You would be surprised at the number of people who upon meeting people from Africa expect us to be as dumb as rocks (yes, I’m bitter)

    According to the The Bell Curve, which came out some time ago, Africans have an average IQ of 75 (I think borderline retarded is anything below 80) (the book used one study from a noted racist scientist done in South Africa in the 1930’s if I remember correctly. Considering I didn’t grow up among people who would display the effects of border-line retardation I am always very suspicious of claims that want to either give blacks supposed advantages or disadvantages based on genetics. To me it sounds less like a scientific tool and more like a tool to justify one’s stereotypes. The ease with which the Bell Curve (which is full of shoddy science according to a number of critiques by actual experts in the field) was accepted into mainstream American society is a testament to just how much a large population of Americans are willing to see blacks as less than.

  84. Jacobus Capitein wrote:

    islandgirl550 wrote:
    “This article is just so weird. If it was all about people of West African decensent having this special gene where were the participants from
    Trinidad, St. Vincents, Dominica, Martinique Haiti, Guyana, and Guadaloupe? There are decendants of West Africa there too…”

    Richard Thompson (second in the 100 meters), Marc Burns (seventh in the 100 meters) and Darrell Brown (semi-finalist and second fastest junior of all-time) are from Trinidad.

    Churandy Martina, fourth in the 100 meters, is from Curacao.

    Kim Collins, another semi-finalist (and former world champion) is from Saint Kitts or Nevis.

    Derrick Atkins, semi-finalist, second at last year’s world championships, and Bahamian.

    In all, 15 out of the 16 semi-finalists possessed some West African ancestry.
    - Three from the United States.
    - Nine from various Caribbean islands (one born in England).
    - Two were born in Nigeria.
    - One Frenchmen of Cameroonian Descent.

    The lone outsider was Japanese… but he was lucky to qualify :-)

  85. dgmacarthur wrote:

    I’m one of the researchers who first published on the association between ACTN3 and athletic performance, back in 2003. Peggy above already cited my article on Genetic Future on the very limited role of ACTN3 in Jamaican success:
    http://www.genetic-future.com/2008/08/gene-for-jamaican-sprinting-success-no.html

    More recently, our group has shown a high frequency of the “sprint” version of this gene in almost all African populations, including East Africans. In fact Kenya - a country renowned for producing long-distance runners, not sprinters - has a higher frequency of the “sprint” version than Jamaica. Following on from Dr Graves’ calculations, if ACTN3 were the only factor in this equation Kenya should produce around 12 times as many elite sprinters as Jamaica - which it clearly doesn’t.

    That said, I worry that some of you are backing yourselves into an ideological corner in this discussion. If you define any discussion of genetics and achievement as “offensive” (as Penni Brown does above), you may find yourself fairly rapidly on the wrong side of science as the genetic basis of athletic performance is unravelled over the next few years.

    It may be worth thinking hard about the type of question queenofsheba raises in comment 43 above: broadly speaking, if researchers DO uncover a genetic basis for population differences in performance, how can this fact be accomodated within an ethical political and ideological framework?

  86. NancyP wrote:

    The local (E. St. Louis) hero of the 2008 Olympics, Dawn Harper, was inspired by the performance of the major E. St. Louis hero-Olympian Jackie Joyner-Kersee, who has spent her post-competition years in part working with youth from E. St. Louis, average ones as well as stars.

  87. Will wrote:

    Hmm, seems my long post somehow disappeared or was deleted.

    Anyway, to recap, the point I was trying to make is that due to the history of scientific racism I always get skeptical when I hear genetic arguments for so called racial differences in abilities when the disparity is more easily explained using sociological reasons. The low barrier to entry, the low cost and a concerted effort to find and train talent would explain why Jamaica is currently dominating and why Ethiopia and Kenya dominate long distance running.

  88. Michelle wrote:

    The fact that Jesse Owens was such a pivotal figure in Black history, not to mention the iconic image of the fist raised Black men with gloves on, probably has a lot to do with track and field being so popular with Blacks in the post-slavery/colonial West. Also, running probably takes a great deal of training, however, since it is something that most humans have a rudimentary understanding of, it might be easier to start one’s training at a slightly older age, like 12 or 14 ( I ran track and sucked, however, even I could grasp the basic techniques, and I couldn’t drown). Swimming in a pool, at least, takes a very specific technique that has to be taught and, given the world of sports, begun at a very early age, like 6-8, probably no older than ten.

    I would hate to see any doping scandals. People have eluded to the pool and track being really fast, not to mention the laser suits. Also, Ben Johnson was HUGE! I remember his giant pecs bouncing across the finish line. I guess I look at these athletes and to my eye, they look really proportioned and lean, not freakishly large. I think that age of the female Chinese gymnasts will prove more of a scandal that doping, but I could be wrong.

  89. Michelle wrote:

    The Japanese and Russian relays team both placed in the 4×100. I guess that just proves that Blacks, with the clear superior genetic advantage, are just lazy and incompetent, huh?

  90. Ethan wrote:

    Check out http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com for a Jamaican take on this issue.

  91. Brandon wrote:

    I haven’t read the Slate piece… but I don’t think it’s necessarily out-of-bounds to ask the question why Jamaica is dominating sprinting events. I don’t think that asking the question itself is tantamount to disregarding achievements. It’s hard not to notice the racial make-up in certain sports… leaping to the conclusion that there are certain racial “physical” advantages does dangerous, though. The history of such “science” isn’t pretty.

    For an interesting take on this issue, I suggest checking out Malcolm Gladwell’s New Yorker piece at:

    http://www.gladwell.com/1997/1997_05_19_a_sports.htm

    It’s a long piece… but it’s worth reading the whole thing to arrive at his conclusion.

  92. Kat wrote:

    “there were no black people swimming. all of them were white or asian.”

    That’s incorrect, and pretty insulting to Cullen Jones. Jones was one of the 4 swimmers on the U.S team who set a new record for the 400-meter freestyle relay. He swam the third leg. He is the second black Olympic swimmer to win a gold. During preliminaries, he had the fastest split.

  93. Jacobus Capitein wrote:

    Cullen Who?

    How about 4 time olympic champion Kosuke Kitajima?

  94. Michelle wrote:

    Did anyone else notice how when Cullen Jones was swimming his leg the announcer commented at least twice about Cullen “deserving” to there and how he “fairly” “earned” his spot? Anyone?

  95. allheavens wrote:

    So I suppose Michael Phelps is a direct descendant of the Tiktaalik roseae an animal with fins that were equipped for a life in the water but also for support on land.

    Ahhh, Phelps the “missing link” between fins and limbs.

    Phelps won 8 gold medals while swimming in 17 heats overall. But hey, it was HIS hard work and determination that got him on the center of the medal podium eight times.

    Tobias Unger the sprinter from Germany has flat out accused the Jamaican track and field team of doping. Of course he ran a 10.22 in the 100m, I’d advise him to consider competing in the 400m in the future.

    All over the net people are stating how the Jamaicans came out of nowhere. WTF? You don’t come out of nowhere and end up in the Olympics.

    Very few are questioning the performance of Michael Phelps, but how can they not if they are going to question the Jamaicans performance?

    I swear white folks want to make me cry sometimes.

  96. jln wrote:

    Jacobus Capitein wrote: “How about 4 time olympic champion Kosuke Kitajima?”

    I do believe that he would fall into the Asian side of the “White and Asian” equation, that the “no black swimmers” person posted (and yeah, there have been black French swimmers at the olympics for decades, so again that’s probably just another stereotype that’s based on the way the American media shows their sports and not even a trend in the sport itself).

  97. Radfem wrote:

    Its a huge national sports, a lot of effort goes into finding talent, training, training at altitude etc etc. Running in Kenya is almost the equivalent of baseball and football here.

    Yeah. I trained on teams with athletes from Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Algeria, Zimbabwe, Tunisia and others and many of these are distance running powers. All of these nations to varying degrees have strong running cultures (beginning with for example, running to school and back on a daily basis while growing up) with a lot of participation. First with the men, but more so especially in Kenya and Ethiopia with women. Some went to Catholic schools and started that way. Their philosophy about distance running and training is much different than U.S. runners for example.

    Jamaica does as well, more centered on sprinting than distance running. And there’s a lot of hard work with the training. More team oriented I think like Kenya and Ethiopia than the U.S. which is very individualistic (and that’s part of the reason why the U.S. flubs so many baton exchanges in relays).

    Nigeria’s had a few finalists at least in past Olympics.

    Doping has corrupted the sport of track and field so badly. Lots of sprinters suspended or banned for steroids and HGH, including many past champions from the U.S. and other countries. And the hard thing is that the majority of recent suspensions that hit the news involved individuals like Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery and others (including in other sports) who passed all their drug tests but either admitted drug use (often after refuting claims for years) or there was evidence that they used. So everyone who runs below 9.9 in the 100 m for example is going to raise an eyebrow or two.

    That’s too bad but that’s a reflection of having these steroid uses come out and often involving athletes who are the most adament about being “clean”. It’s something all sprinting champions have to deal with at one time or another because I don’t think many followers of the sport even trust the testing anymore.

  98. J.R. Bernard wrote:

    I don’t think that we should view those scientific studies as necessarily devaluing the accomplishments of non-black sprinters.

    I think it’d be foolish for us to think that genetics don’t play a certain role (large or small) in sprinting competitions. You can not use sports such as Hockey or swimming as evidence to the contrary because those are two very expensive sports (especially in comparison with sprinting, the most basic of sports). They are in large part disproportionately done by those that have money versus those that don’t (rather than white people being innately better at those sports than black people).

    With that being said, hard work beats talent when talent hardly works. However, let us not try to be so philosophically PC and think that talent that works hard does not have a decided advantage over those that may not have an abundance of a preferred muscle type. Because if that weren’t the case, someone could train a Siberian Husky to run faster than a Saluki :-p .

    (Saluki’s are the fasted dogs on the planet, faster than even greyhounds. However they are not used in racing because they do not have an innate desire to chase electronic hares.)

    Mod Note
    - Again, issues with the presentation of race as the lead reason for this predetermined ability and not the individual attributes of the athletes who have the ability to make it to the Olympics. - LDP

  99. Jacobus Capitein wrote:

    jln wrote: “I do believe that he would fall into the Asian side of the “White and Asian” equation, that the “no black swimmers” person posted ”

    Yes, and you would be excused for making the assumption that Kitajima is Japanese and therefore Asian by default. However, it is a little known fact that Kitajima belongs to a small indigenous Japanese tribe called Tankyuu, who are thought to be the original inhabitants of the Japanase archipelago.

    Recent studies have shown that the Tankyuu share a remarkable genetic similarity to the the native populations of northern Cameroon, an unsurprising result, as the Tankyuu have long been known as the black people of Japan.

    Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer about the significance of Kosuke Kitajima.

  100. Jacobus Capitein wrote:

    Or… perhaps I should try to opt for a “read-before-reply” strategy the next time I post a comment. Instead of thinking someone just said all swimmers are white, which would have been really silly thing to say…

    D’oh!

  101. Jacobus Capitein wrote:

    “Tobias Unger the sprinter from Germany has flat out accused the Jamaican track and field team of doping. Of course he ran a 10.22 in the 100m, I’d advise him to consider competing in the 400m in the future.”

    *reads

    Would like to add that Ben Johnson once won a bronze medal at the olympic games running 10.22. It’s really not that slow and kinda shows how much progress you can make by using doping.

    *reads again

  102. Tara K. wrote:

    Of course, you could also say that this commentary is equally detrimental to whites and blacks in that it is yet again attempting to delineate a distinct, undeniable genetic racial difference. That’s not to imply that the races are the same, but that articles which strive to construct a sort of “racial essentialism” are pretty divisive, just as are those articles about how men and women are inherently different b/c of minute difference in brain functions — it all highlights genetic (read: inevitable, unavoidable) difference, something that has historically been used to create hierarchy.

  103. Raquel wrote:

    Wow, I guess I had a totally different take on the article when I read it (before coming across this analysis). NBC aired an entire segment devoted to Michael Phelps’s unique physiology (weirdly short legs for such a tall body, huge upper body and long arms, feet like flippers, knees turned a certain way, etc.) and how it contributed to his ability to dominate the swimming world. It didn’t take anything away from his gold medals- I certainly didn’t see that and think that he didn’t truly earn his victories. I felt the same way reading the Slate article, which just presented several reasons for the Jamaicans’ excellence in short-distance running. They train hard, the sport is widely appreciated in their country, and many of them (perhaps slightly more than people of other races) have the ideal genes for what they do. Not too different, to me anyways, from a discussion on why tall people are good at basketball. The fact that they are physically stronger in some way does not minimize their hard work and persistence- you need only look at the fact that there are millions and millions of people who do have that gene but who are NOT Olympic athletes to know that they worked really hard to earn their medals.

    If anything, I see the explanations of the Jamaicans’ physical abilities as an in-your-face argument to be used against white supremacy. White racists take great pride in being superior in every category (intelligence, physical attributes, etc.) so to be able to prove that some poc really are genetically superior in a certain way would sort of throw them for a loop, IMHO.

    Mod Note
    - Again, the objection is that Phelps is analyzed as an individual (not that his white genes give him an inherent advantage in cold water, or some other bullshit) and Jamaicans are lumped together as (1) a group and (2) with West Africans. - LDP

  104. jln wrote:

    Jacobus Capitein wrote: “Yes, and you would be excused for making the assumption that Kitajima is Japanese and therefore Asian by default… Recent studies have shown that the Tankyuu share a remarkable genetic similarity to the the native populations of northern Cameroon, an unsurprising result, as the Tankyuu have long been known as the black people of Japan.”

    Which is interesting, but if we’re talking about perception of race in a mostly-American context, that doesn’t change a perception that’s going to be mostly based on colour (and maybe hair).

    Also, it implies a genetics=race thing, which again isn’t reality.

  105. bdsista wrote:

    ok, so has anyone noticed the US decathlon medal winners? Is that now the mulatto event?
    So which parent is the winning mix eh?

  106. allheavens wrote:

    Would like to add that Ben Johnson once won a bronze medal at the olympic games running 10.22. It’s really not that slow and kinda shows how much progress you can make by using doping.

    Radom sampling of 100m olympic times:

    Lindy Remigino, olympic gold 1952 10.2 in 100m

    Bob Hayes, 1964 olympic record 10.06 on a cinder track

    Bob Hayes, 1964 ran a 8.6 anchor leg in the mens 4×100 relay

    Jim Hines, 1968 olympic record 9.95 in 100m

    Carl Lewis, 1984 olmypic record 9.99 in 100m (possibly doping)

    Carl Lewis, 1988 9.92 in 100m

    Donovan Bailey, 1996 olympic record 9.84 in 100m

    Justin Gatlin, 2004 9.85 in 100m

    Hell, Alan Wells of Britian ran a 10.25 for the gold in 1980 and he was 38 years old.

    Yes, there were other olympic gold medalist that won between 1952 and 2008 at slower times than 10.22.

    However, considering the advantages the athletes have today as far as sponsorships, length of training, training facilities, synthetic tracks and high-tech track suits 10.22 in 2008 is not that fast.

  107. Phoebe wrote:

    [Mod Note - The answer to the questions you posed are in the post. - LDP ]

  108. Jon wrote:

    “Mod Note - Again, the objection is that Phelps is analyzed as an individual (not that his white genes give him an inherent advantage in cold water, or some other bullshit) and Jamaicans are lumped together as (1) a group and (2) with West Africans. - LDP”

    This seems like pretty biased moderator intervention to me. If all you’re going to do as a moderator is disagree with the comment, why not do it in the form of another comment rather than an edit? Where are all the “Mod Notes” on posts suggesting that Michael Phelps’s performance is not at all analyzed vis-a-vis his genetic characteristics, regardless of whether that’s then extrapolated to the entire white race?

    Anyway, I really wanted to comment on the dismissal of the genetics-based argument because:

    “Although genes are certainly important, ACTN3 alone is not the explanation: this gene predicts only around 2% of the variation in muscle strength and sprint performance in the general European population”

    That is very interesting but ignores the fact that we’re discussing a select group of athletes — literally the best in the world. The variation in a population like Europe in general is going to be huge, whereas in the world of elite athletes, most factors are very tightly controlled. They ALL train a lot, they ALL have low body fat, they ALL have good nutrition, etc. Those are all factors that have a big impact in the performance of the average European that don’t apply to Olympic-level sprinters (even those from Europe). Suddenly that little 2% factor is more important because the other factors are reduced.

  109. drew wrote:

    BBC recently did a 3 episode program called “The Making of Me”. One of the episodes features UK track star Colin Jackson. These same issues are explored with interesting results.

  110. Joanna Eng wrote:

    There’s another (more fitting, less racist) approach to the question here:
    http://www.wiretapmag.org/arts/43650/
    “How Tiny Jamaica Develops So Many Champion Sprinters”

    It’s definitely worth a read.

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