In defense of russell peters: are racial stereotypes ever funny?

by Special Correspondent Thea Lim

When is it ok to laugh at comedy based on racial stereotypes?

After our past conversation on Bernie Mac and “in house” jokes and the sudden gruesome ubiquity of Esther Ku, the answer seems to be, Uh, never.

But then, where does that leave Indian Canadian comedian Russell Peters?

This is where I need some help: I freakin’ love Russell Peters. Am I a disgusting hypocrite?

His act is littered with sexism, he’s made a household name for himself with a joke condoning child abuse (somebody gonna get a hurt real bad…), and one of his hottest bits involves mocking South African names. But everyone I know loves him - particularly people of colour, and anti-racist people of colour at that.

Is it because he’s irresistibly likeable? I’d like to think that it takes more than a goofy face to make us abandon our politics. Is it because he’s not only Canadian, but from just outside of Toronto, one of my hometowns? Apparently not, because I was introduced to him by my BFF in Singapore.

I have an inkling as to why it seems ok to like Peters. Last year at VONA, a yearly creative writing workshop for writers of colour, I met the wondrous Junot Díaz who introduced my group to his theory on the Wheel of Tyranny.

Díaz argued that too many books by writers of colour represent only two ethnicities per book: people from the writer’s own community of colour, and white folks.

In these writers’ fictional worlds there are only brown people and white people (The Namesake); or only black folks and white folks in the world (The Colour Purple); or only Chinese people and white people in the world (The Woman Warrior)…In these books, the communities of colour have white folks as their sole interlocutors. What about conversations between different communities of colour? It’s pretty rare that you come across a book like, for eg, Zadie Smith’s White Teeth, which featured a white family, a brown family and a black family.

This lack of real diversity, Díaz argued, creates The Wheel of Tyranny (and if he was here to draw this for us he would), where communities of colour circle constantly around a hub that is white folks, while never communicating with each other. Díaz suggested that in reflecting the experience of other people of colour in our work, we create a home for each other in our art; we show each other that we exist.

Which is arguably what Peters does.

Let’s look at Esther Ku. In the video Latoya posted a while back (see the Esther Ku link above), who is Ku speaking to? In her celebration of yellow fever and her assurances that even Korean people can’t tell each other apart or use chopsticks, she’s always speaking to white audiences - even though when the Last Comic Standing camera pans to the audience, there’s always a few faces of colour.

Along with the fact that these jokes are offensive (and not really funny), they send the message that audiences of colour are not important enough to write jokes for. In fact, all they’re good for is the butt of jokes. Just like ye olde status quo, Ku’s jokes place white folks at the center of everything.

Peters on the other hand talks about relationships between Indians and Chinese folks, between Indians and Jamaicans, between Indians and Latinos. More than this it really seems like Peters is simply trying to make people like himself laugh. There’s something sorta subversive about the fact that he’s playing to himself, instead of pandering to an audience that doesn’t share his experience at all.

Latoya used the phrase “in house jokes” to refer to jokes that communities of colour will only tell to each other. These are jokes that are only funny when told by the POC they make fun of, to a POC audience. Peters’ jokes are different - while they definitely would not be the funny if told by a white person* they work for all stripes of audiences, because they aren’t crafted for a white audience.

Having been told my whole life that Shakespeare and James Joyce were the definition of great (i.e. straight white English-speaking Western dudes), the whole way I saw writing changed when I realised that I could write for myself, and for people like me, instead of having to write for people who really identified with Jane Austen.There can be great power in creating your comedy/writing/art/blog posts for readers of colour, even when your audience is white. Jokes that are for ourselves don’t marginalise or exclude white folks, they just don’t focus on them. Many writers and artists of colour I know are driven primarily by the desire to make art for us, which in itself seems revolutionary when so much art has existed to marginalise us.

But I have to say that my feelings about comedy shift depending on who I view it with. When I used to watch Borat skits at home, I laughed, if not uncomfortably. But when I went to see the Borat movie on the big screen with an audience that was mostly white, I felt uncomfortable and tense throughout most of the movie. Which doesn’t make sense - why is it ok for me to laugh at racist jokes, but not for white folks?

You tell me, is it ok to laugh at Russell Peters? Is it ever ok to laugh at any comedy that makes fun of race?

*They wouldn’t be funny when told by a white person because of the context of institutionalised racism that we live in, where white folks are the dominant culture. Do a search on this site for “reverse racism” and why it doesn’t exist for more info.

[Editor’s Note - For those of you who cannot see the videos/audio, I do not have a transcript. But here’s a post from Sepia Mutiny that describes one of his sketches, and deconstructs the uneasy lines he plays on. - LDP ]

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Comments

  1. Antonio wrote:

    Racial stereotypes are frequently funny, but I think that despite whether or not the jokes are written for audiences of color, white people will watch the performance and think “We’re not the only ones who think like that. What’s so wrong when I do it?”

  2. Jas wrote:

    Most likely because he’s so across the board with it. Kind of like South Park. They’ve poked fun at so many groups, situations, societal expectations, etc it’s hard to take anything they do regarding one particular group as offensive.

    I’m not saying that necessarily makes it right but I guess seeing everyone equally having a shot taken at them with the intention of everyone sharing a laugh makes it more acceptable for me than seeing select groups having shots taken at them with the intention of an outside group sharing a laugh.

    I don’t know too many people who find South Park or Russell Peters offensive. And the ones I do will also usually admit they still find it hilarious though. In the end I think it comes down to a balancing act. If you can keep the number of individuals who feel offended low and the number of individuals who find humor in the situation high, then you can get away with pretty much any type of jokes I would imagine.

  3. emfole wrote:

    Apparently, no matter what race or ethnicity, people are either “guys” or “bitches”. Good to know that misogyny can be a universal community-builder.

  4. Renee wrote:

    I will admit to laughing out loud. I knew that even as I was cracking up what he was saying was extremely problematic. No it should not be ok to laugh at jokes based in racial characterizations because ultimately they are limiting to people. I know that had these same jokes been told by a white man I would have been enraged so perhaps it is a sign of a touch of hypocrisy in me.

  5. lxy wrote:

    I’m not that familiar with Russell Peters, but at least in the 2 YouTube clips above, his comedy does not seem to display the same malicious or mean-spirited tenor that certain types of racial have.

    It might be due to the implied audience that Peters is speaking to, as suggested in the article. Or it could be in his easy-going delivery and stage persona. It’s difficult to put a finger on the reason.

    Comparing Peters to Esther Ku, the latter’s “jokes” do not seem to question stereotypes but rather to reinforce and revel in them so as to garner laughs from the White audience.

  6. M.E.A. wrote:

    Junot Diaz’s observations are quite astute and I can’t really add much more - he sums it up, although I don’t think I was ever consciously thinking that while watching Russell Peters, it makes sense.

    I laugh at Russell Peters because:
    He’s funny! His delivery and timing is great. Without these two elements even a funny joke appears stupid.
    He’s self-assured; spares no-one.
    His comedy comes from a place of affinity and not degradation.
    The way he speaks sounds like conversations friends and I have had before watching Peters (re: someone gonna get a hurt!) - humour is therapy, I don’t think it’s wrong for people to joke about difficult subjects.

    You know, I also like Ali G, though a lot of people put it down, I do think there is a place for that type of satire, and he’s actually making fun of kids like me, although for example, I’m Palestinian Muslim and he’s a Jewish man with ties to Israel.

    No, comedy is not exempt from the power structures but when done right….like writing, comedy is a craft, and some artists are better at their craft than others. There might a thin line between exploring taboos and perpetuating racism, but the better artist walks this line without falling off.

  7. coco wrote:

    i think russell peters and bernie mac, and richard pryor and sarah silverman are all funny.

    i only get uncomfortable if it feel like the comedian is making fun of me in a way that belittles or degrades my culture — commentary, criticism, critique are all fair.

    russell peter’s !Xolibe skit (a riff on his encounters with the S. African click language) is a good example: in his joke, he sees the name and wonders if the exclamation point means you should “exclaim!” the name. he tries to say it that way and when the guy doesn’t respond, he asks him about it. then peters learns to pronounce the name correctly and uses it in the skit. i was impressed, because he’d just taught me and his audience how to pronounce that rare phoneme.

    sarah silverman’s skit about how black people would have been killed instead of jewish people if they’d been in Germany at the time made me uncomfortable, because it’s mean to rest your security on another person’s heightened vulnerability.

    however she does make a point about the heightened vulnerability of black people to racial hostility in Western?? US?? Colonial?? culture. her joke points out that racial bloodlust doesn’t adhere to any specific minority group, because its more about finding the most socially vulnerable group and forcing them to be the scapegoat.

    esther ku’s jokes, on the other hand, could have been made up by schoolyard bullies.

    it reminds me of that guest on Addicted to Race who said blackface parties can’t uncriticallly adopt blackface and also claim to be anti-racist, because using racist material without critiquing it, is just actually reproducing racism.

    ku’s jokes about chopsticks and not being able to distinguish between korean people, is her just agreeing with the bullies, instead of standing up to them, or calling them on their b.s. or maybe teaching them a thing or two.

  8. F wrote:

    I love Russell Peters and so does my family, and I was introduced to him by Arab and Nigerian friends. I think that the explanation here is close to why we all like him - he kind of speaks to a sort of ‘POC’ community, he tells jokes that we all find funny. He draws on the similarities between various non-white communities and somehow that is gratifying. It’s totally different, because it’s not comedy but music, but sometimes I think that is why everyone I know likes M.I.A. so much too, she has that ‘world town’ thing (as she calls it), and her music is peppered with lyrical and musical references to a huge range of different (usually non-white) communities, and there is a strange kind of satisfaction in perhaps that recognition that all of us are similar somehow, or drawn together, or understand one another - particularly with regards to the children of immigrants. Maybe I’m stretching it now though?

  9. Merldi wrote:

    The difference between peters and ku’s racial jokes is that Russell makes fun of them. While Ku uses them because she has no original material.

  10. PaulPortland wrote:

    Thanks for the article, Thea. You introduced me to a term that I’ve never heard of - Junot Diaz’s Wheel of Tyranny. It’s a term that crystallizes a lot of the feelings I’ve had about race relations in America. It seems like, as Diaz explains, too much emphasis is placed on the relationships PoC have with white America and not enough emphasis is placed on the relationships PoC have between each other. This obsession with white America at the center of the hub not only leaves us vulnerable to the strategy of divide and conquer, but also perpetuates the notion that America is, like Europe, a white country.

    Now, I’m not suggesting that PoC in America adopt separatist positions when it comes to combating racism. I do think that PoC need to start focusing on how we relate to each other for two reasons:

    1) By shifting the focus from how we relate to white America to how we relate to each other, we put lie to the harmful belief that America is a white country. Instead, America becomes a land binded by a set of beliefs that do not correspond to any race or color - life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. This is as it should be, I think.

    2) By shifting the focus away from obsessing over how PoC relate to white Americans, we insulate ourselves against the race based hysteria and paranoia that oftentimes is allowed to go uncontested because of the divide and conquer strategy. It’s historical fact that white America, during times of duress, looks for scapegoats, the most recent victims of these pogroms being “Mexicans” (the catch all term for all migrants from Central and South America) and Muslims. Relying purely on the goodness of some white Americans to defuse these pogroms is a losing proposition, both pragmatically and psychologically. Instead, American PoC need to understand that we are all at risk to the whims of political expediency, that we are all potential victims, and that we have more in common, experience wise, with each other than we have with white America.

    Ack, sorry for rambling, and sorry for not really addressing your direct question about race based humor, Thea.

  11. F wrote:

    I should also say that I think he speaks to the sense a lot of people I know have that sometimes some white people just don’t ‘get it’, like, that there will always be some thing separating ‘us’ from them.. he makes this very funny.. but I’m really not sure that ultimately that mindset, that idea of a division, is a good one at all. And since he makes the ‘us’ all POC, perhaps it feels nice to think of POC as a majority, as the ones who can turn around, united, and laugh back at the other side. Again, I don’t know if this sort of mindset is a good one, but that might account for why it feels like a relief to be able to laugh at his jokes, to feel that you are in the company of those who understand. Sorry if this doesn’t make much sense or is just repeating what I said above.. I just woke up.

  12. Minotaar wrote:

    I guess it depends on whether or not you want to spend a monkish life slowly eliminating every stereotype you have ingrained in your mind. Its not clear to me that being completely free of stereotypes and preconceptions was necessarily easy, or even fun. But then again, it definitely is a goal worth achieving. Laughing at racist jokes is basically backsliding in that regard, I think.

  13. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    It is SO REFRESHING to see POC jokes targeted at POC audiences, instead of at white people.

    I’ve always told my friends that the whole “interracial” term is such a lie, because it’s always white people with a non-white group. You rarely see Indians/South Asians and blacks together, blacks and Chinese people together, etc.

    I’ve always hated books like The Namesake and Mistress of Spices, because it focuses on Indians and white people, instead of mingling with other POC communities.

    It is very nice to see a POC comedian targeting a POC audience.

  14. Brohammas wrote:

    While I agree that racist jokes are never funny coming from White mouths, it must be stated that the majority of white minds do not understand this.
    The standard of, “it’s OK for everyone else to make fun, but not you”, pushes otherwise open white minds away from interracial discussion.

    If a person truly wants to stamp out or combat racism, numbers would dictate that whites should be the main target of education and activism. Rarely have I seen, if ever, a discussion of racism and ways to combat it, focused on or directed toward (constructively)white people.

    True this comedy may be fresh in that it not directed toward white consumers, but niether is the one thing that SHOULD be.

  15. Wayne Park wrote:

    Peters is funny because it’s not vicious. It’s self-effacing, it’s inclusive, across all ethnic lines, and it’s coming from a brown guy. It doesn’t work for Esther Ku cuz she’s simply a bad comic.

  16. Jaye wrote:

    It’s not just that Peters jokes about relationships among POC, it’s that he does it really well. He’s a seriously funny guy. I got introduced to him by a bunch of Chinese guys, a few of them love to repeat that Pacific Mall joke over and over again, accent and all. Yes, he’s equal opportunity, but I do think it comes down to the fact that he’s not malicious, you can obviously tell he has genuine respect and affinity for these cultures. If he didn’t, it doesn’t matter that he’s a POC telling these jokes, it wouldn’t be funny and I don’t think he would be as well-received as he is.

    I don’t see what the problem is at laughing at the differences between us. We’re so used to having our cultures belittled and demeaned, that if anyone pokes fun at those differences, we automatically think it’s a bad thing. It’s not a big deal to note our differences, what white supremacy has done is assign a value to it, and they put our differences on some kind of hierarchy of worthiness. Peters is able to poke holes in that belief system, in a very relaxed way, by making jokes about our differences without implying that one group is better or superior to the other. I think that is at the heart of white supremacy, that people’s differences make them superior or inferior to the other person. And Peters is saying in his jokes, no it doesn’t. Our differences can be incredibly funny without assigning a value of inferior or superior to the people connected to them.

    But yeah, don’t like his sexism or his condoning of child abuse basically. And I hate Sarah Silverman.

  17. Joseph wrote:

    “I told you not to invite white people to the wedding…!”

    Bwahahaha!

    I’d never heard of this guy before now so I can’t say anything fair about his entire act…but I was peeing myself over this clip.

    I disagree that (this clip at least) reinforced racist stereotypes–Peters built an entire bit on the racist fear of white people that they are disappearing (!) and that is pretty subversive. Like Harold and Kumar (which I also love) Peters used racist images and didn’t get used by them.

    The only responsibility a comedian has is to make you laugh–that’s it. Whether you find Peters funny or not, your reaction is “correct” because at the most basic level comedy is personal. You either laugh or you don’t. I think comedy becomes problematic when the only people we have in mainstream culture talking about us and the things we care about are comedians. If there were a more open discourse about race/ethnicity in the US and more representations of PoC in the mainstream media would we bother to fret over whether Peters’ comedy was ok or not?

    Maybe, maybe not.

  18. ron wrote:

    I do not think his jokes concentrate so much negative stereotypes that can be used for some sort of racial superiority.

    I mean what Punjabi dude does not make these types of jokes or something similar. We have heard them before especially in a place where it is okay to make those jokes.

    He is Canadian more than he is Indian so it is inclusive and represents just a cultural mix.

    These are lighthearted jokes that we all can laugh at.

    I feel for the people who are not use to this because they have been isolated.

  19. Sobia wrote:

    I love Russell Peters. As many here have already said, it’s because of his delivery, his respect, his understanding of others, and that he is equal opportunity. His jokes never come across as insulting or degrading in any way at all. And, on top of that, he’s educational. I’ve actually learned things from him - and I’m not talking about stereotypes. His comedy is very intelligent and gets us thinking. Being South Asian myself I always find myself laughing the most at his jokes about South Asian people. Something about them feels familiar.

  20. PaulPortland wrote:

    Okay, just watched a bunch of Russell Peters act, and I’d agree with what almost everyone here says. As an East Asian man, I don’t find him the least bit offensive. In fact, the dude’s hilarious! There’s this definite sense that his humor doesn’t seek to re-affirm negative stereotypes, but instead seeks to humanize stereotypes. His Pacific Mall routine, for example, while employing a stereotypical immigrant accent, did not rely on the “foreigness” of the shopkeeper for its humor. Peters didn’t play up the inscrutable, Oriental swindler for his characterization of the shopkeeper, but rather portrayed him as just a guy trying to make a buck.

  21. Erin wrote:

    “But when I went to see the Borat movie on the big screen with an audience that was mostly white, I felt uncomfortable and tense throughout most of the movie. Which doesn’t make sense - why is it ok for me to laugh at racist jokes, but not for white folks?”

    yes, yes, yes…the only way i can relate to that myself (as a euro-american/white girl) is that i have had very similar feelings when i see gay films or films with gay characters in a largely straight audience. it’s very, very uncomfortable…context and POV are very important in these kinds of situations.

    and i love the wheel of tyranny theory…makes so much sense.

  22. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    I think there’s something to the notion that when Russell Peters throws out a racially/ethnically oriented joke, he’s doing it from the awareness of the people involved. He seems to have an awareness of Chinese people in his Pacific Mall piece and there seems to be an underlying assumption in his comedy that the Chinese man that he’s creating a caricature of in the sketch is not representative of Chinese people on the whole, but is rather a representative of “that Chinese guy”. Because of his seeming familiarity with people of Chinese descent, his comedy doesn’t come across as offensive, because he’s not painting a stereotype that’s applied to all Chinese people, but pointing to a stereotype *within* Chinese people, that persons of Chinese descent might themselves recognize as an aspect within their ethnic group, without encompassing the entire group.

    And maybe that’s just a part of why PoC comedy that plays with race/enthnicty can work; because it’s not broadstroking stereotypes upon PoC, but because of their assumed knowledge of the race/ethnicity presented, that the comics themselves are aware that the characters and situations presented are limited to a subsegment of the larger group.

    Or at least that’s a theory that I’m playing with right now.

  23. Fatemeh wrote:

    Thea, spot on post! I think a lot of us have uncomfortable love/dislike-ish relationship with Russell Peters (and DEFINITELY with Borat). I remember being really disappointed with Borat’s movie, but loving the Ali G series.

  24. Joseph wrote:

    See it is funny to me that people are comparing Peters to Sacha Baron Cohen, although perhaps if I were more familiar with Peters’ act this would make more sense…Can anyone say why this comparison keeps popping up in the comments?

    I immediately went to a Harold and Kumar place with him, not because of the Asian thing but because the tone of his comedy reminded me of the H & K style of playing within and against stereotypes. I avoided the Borat movie because the whole project seemed suspicious to me. I have Jewish friends who loved Borat because of the way Cohen used his comedy to reveal anti-Jewish stereotypes but that fact that his character is a Kazakh and an implicit if not explicit stereotype of an eastern European Muslim bothered me too much. Since Cohen is English is it easy to put it down to a contempt for Eastern Europeans (who are perceived as backward in all ways in western Europe–sort of like US American stereotypes about Southerners) but…in this political climate, why a Muslim persona? I am suspicious of his motives and I can’t get past that. (There is a class thing about his comedy that creeps me out too–an I’m smarter-than-you thing that I don’t enjoy. But that’s another topic).

    It seems to me that Peters is not hovering above the objects of his comedy, looking down on them the way that Cohen is.

  25. jvansteppes wrote:

    Up until reading this I had never encountered a single person of color who liked Russell Peters and I’m glad to get a chance to read about that context. Thanks Thea.
    Obnoxious white boys have been telling me about Peters for years while complaining about how Dave Chappelle ‘took himself too seriously’ by thinking about the context of whites who saw his work. I don’t want to disparage Peters or hold him responsible for his white audiences but they are hard to ignore.

  26. Luis wrote:

    M.E.A. had it right. What makes Russell stand out is the fact that he has clear affinity for and experience with the communities he’s talking about. He knows about Sikhs, he knows regional differences in China and different Chinese langauges, he understands Filipino home life, and he tells these stories through anecdotes of friends not “so and so ethnic guy I say.” You get the sense, the whole time, that he cares about these people and doesn’t see less of them despite making a few jokes about them.

    It’s rare, and it’s a fine line, but he dances on it.

  27. jen* wrote:

    ::throwing mashed potatoes::

    The second clip was bananas - I was laughing out LOUD. That was hilarious!

    I can’t always describe the problems I have with racial comedy [though I wouldn’t have put Sacha Baron Cohen in this category - at least not for Borat - which I hated and mostly just found annoying, tedious, and kind of gross], but you can tell when folks are doing pieces that are prepared for laughing at other’s expense, and when they’re in on the joke. [and they’re laughing too]

  28. shirky wrote:

    Well, I for one am totally turned off whenever I hear a ‘fake accent’ comedy schtick. It’s a bad vibe for me. Too many bad associations to shake.

  29. tybris wrote:

    Esther Ku’s humor is largely self glorifying while being insulting to her people and the people she is talking about. Russell Peters humor is largely self depricating while often being complementary to the people he is talking about. In the end its about respect. You have to truly respect the people you joke about and insulting your own people to an audience consisting largely of white people, like Esther Ku does, isnt respectful.

  30. Randy wrote:

    I’m Chinese, and I love Russell Peters. I think his imitation of Asian accents is spot on and pretty darn funny.

    I think the reason I don’t find it offensive is because he has clearly taken the time to learn about the cultures he jokes about. His whole act goes into great detail about the regional language differences in China.

    He’s not making jokes in an attempt to ridicule. -He’s making jokes as a consequence of his observations made while trying to *learn*.

  31. Jess wrote:

    I think there is a simpler way to characterize the kind of humor from Russell Peters is that he is laughing with people of color, rather than at them.

    Sacha Cohen’s thing is similar, but he’s a little darker. (Like, how many of you reading this know that the language he used as “Kazakh” was Yiddish?) Anyhow, Cohen’s movie was really all about how people can let their hair down in pretty ugly ways when they think “others” aren’t around.

  32. Black Canseco wrote:

    Russell Peters, is dare i say the the Mark Twain of comedy–his stuff is, as others have noted–socially aware without being too preachy, funny/or attempts at funny without being attack-driven. And exceptionally conversational. It never sounds like Peters is making a speech; and when he on it doesn’t even sound like he’s telling a joke–he sound like that one friend we’ve all got that’s funny in really small groups cuz just saying something that only you guys get in a way that makes you giggle between sips of beer.

    i just saw his bit on YouTube about race-mixing. I did spit-take on my lap top over “ice cubes”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR3wGlRcUKo

  33. Black Canseco wrote:

    never heard of Esther Ku… Sasha Cohen just seems mean and obnoxious. so does Carlos Mencia. Peters seems—like many people here are saying—not to be mean-spirited.

  34. Torontonian wrote:

    Yay, Russell Peters!!!

    Damn, Thea. Your first post is so relevant to people of colour in Toronto. Get out of my head!

    I’ve been wondering the same thing, whether I’m a hypocrite for considering myself anti-racist but loving Russell Peters. I thought maybe it had to do with my Toronto bias as well, but I guess not.

    I’ve been trying to rationalize it as well, and here are some things I’ve come up with:

    * Russell Peters is funny, because he doesn’t recycle old, ignorant stereotypes about people of colour that come from TV/movies/books/ignorance. Instead, he creates new stereotypes of people of colour based on *reality*. “Reality” here refers specifically to Toronto.

    * Russell Peters is obviously a person of colour who grew up in multicultural communities of colour in Toronto/GTA, and other people of colour in Toronto/GTA surprisingly have similar experiences to him. It really comes across like an “in-joke” to me and other people of colour in Toronto/GTA that I know.

    I love Russell Peters, but I still find some things wrong with his jokes:

    - Both Indian people and Chinese people cannot live without a bargain and try not to give you a bargain. The only difference is who is the buyer and who is the seller. When Chinese people are buying, obviously, they go to extreme measures to get the lowest price, and it’s quite embarrassing. My mother can haggle with Chinese people in Chinese and get a bargain (sometimes), so maybe it doesn’t work for Russell Peters because he doesn’t speak Chinese.

    - I found the South African bit unfunny and racist, though. However, this may be due to the fact that I happened to know how the phoneme is supposed to be pronounced, so it came across to me like a celebration of cultural ignorance.

  35. Torontonian wrote:

    Oh, I want to rephrase the first reason/rationalization:

    Instead of making jokes based on racial ignorance, which is what many other comedians do, Russell Peters makes jokes based on racial knowledge.

  36. queenofsheba wrote:

    Lots of comments about accents, and it reminded me of something I’ve noticed before: when accents are imitated well, by people who clearly have a great deal of experience with people who have that accent, it is immediately recognizable–and if the speaker wants it to be, often very funny. I’m not sure why this is. Anybody?

  37. RJG wrote:

    For me, it’s okay to laugh at comdey that isn’t malicious while being funny

    Of course, malice isn’t something you can universally gauge. I might find X funny, someone else might find X malicious.

    Is Russell Peters malicious? It doesn’t seem so. That may be different if he was white, but even then I see a difference between his observational humor on races and cultures and, for example, stuff like Larry the Cable Guy. There’s a blatant difference between the attitudes given off behind their jokes, and that probably makes a world of difference.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBEvvbr1s4

    I think the main thing is that if, in my mind, someone actually voiced some offense about one of Russell’s jokes, while he probably wouldn’t go “okay I’ll never do that one again sorry guys!,” he also wouldn’t just enter “Oh you Liberal pansies if you don’t like it don’t listen fuck ya’ll you big babies. mode.

  38. Tlonista wrote:

    Another Torontonian checking in. A memory: a going-away party for a friend-of-a-friend, in north Toronto. A half dozen biracial White/Asian girls. After dinner we gather round the laptop and laugh our asses off at Russell Peters clips on Veoh because oh my god, he’s been to f’ing PAC MALL, and “you can run from us now, but sooner or later…we’re gonna hump you”. I can’t explain it. But the explanation that his humour is aimed at POC instead of white people makes sense to me.

  39. london wrote:

    russell peters is one of my all time favourites because as the torontonian says.. he comes at it with knowledge… inside knowledge of the cultures he is talking about… only a white liberal would have an issue with ‘’somebody gonna get hurt really bad” joke because they do not have that shared history.. to me a uk born afro caribbean it is one of the funniest skits i have ever heard.. i think russell has retired the joke now is father has passed away..
    the rice joke in the second vid… perfect observation..

  40. PaulPortland wrote:

    Just finished watching more of Russell Peters and I think another reason I don’t find him offensive is because he doesn’t take the easy way out when making jokes about other cultures. He doesn’t traffic in tired stereotypes.

    For example, his bit on Vietnam. The entire time I was watching that bit, I was waiting, fake smile on my face, for him to throw a “Luv you long time” joke in there somewhere…but he didn’t! Instead, his entire Vietnam routine was based on observation and an appreciation for the differences of an unfamiliar culture (to him). And even when he was going on about how people in Vietnam use scooters like minivans, he didn’t resort to using a bad driver joke as filler.

  41. PaulPortland wrote:

    Oops, the Torontonian @34 already made the observation about the lack of the recycling of stereotypes in Peters’s act! And here I thought I figured something out…

  42. ras wrote:

    I’ve been thinking -a lot- about this thread since I read it yesterday, trying to wrap my head around whether or not, as a white woman, it’s OK for me to find Russell Peters funny. I get why it would never be OK for a white person to do his act, but can white people laugh at his act when -he- does it?

    Because I do…

    Does it depend on my perspective and my own experiences? Does it matter who my friends are, where I live, how I was raised and who I’m trying to be, or am I just another “hipster racist” cowering under the shelter of irony and satire if I laugh? Is there a difference between a white person who “gets it” laughing (if there is such a thing), and a white person who’s laughing, thinking it’s then OK to buy into and reinforce racial stereotypes to his or her white friends because he saw a comedy act?

    I’ve been watching different clips, trying to determine “where the funny is” and what specifically it is that’s making me laugh… and I’m still not sure I know the answers to my questions. But I think part of it is that in most of his bits he’s making fun of himself instead of the “other”. But perhaps that’s still problematic for me because he’s brown (to use his term) and I’m white, so am I then still just another white person laughing at a brown person’s expense?

    The !xombile bit was funny to me not because he’s making fun of Africans, but because he’s making fun of his own ignorance, which in this bit seems based in his Western background rather than his Indian background. Even the uncomfortable (to me) part where he talks about being in the elevator, he points out how stupid HE looks to the Africans in the elevator with him. Though, I could have done without the unfunny Pop Rocks joke.

    “Somebody gonna get hurt real bad” is funny to me because intertwined with the racial context are parenting issues I think are universal. As someone who could be, on the surface, mistaken for Ryan’s mom (though WAAAAY less spineless) who is with someone who would be a white version of Russell’s dad if I let him, I find that bit funny because it riffs on parents and kids and the clashes that pop up between different parenting styles. Growing up in the south, that bit particularly touches on issues from my own hippie-dippy upbringing contrasted with the upbringing of my childhood friends who were very much raised in the southern tradition of “Yes Ma’am”, “No Sir” and switches and belts for discipline.

    But then I wonder if I’m looking for a subtext that’s not there in an effort to make it OK for me to laugh at those jokes. I wonder if it’s my white privilege raising its ugly head, making me think there are universal jokes that I should have access to and be allowed to laugh at.

  43. Anonymous wrote:

    It simply depends on the venue and the particular crowd your performing for which determines the negative or positive appeal. In America, this just doesnt fly b/c of our oppressive history against blacks. I don’t think a german making jewish jokes would be funny either b/c of the Holocaust. Great post!

  44. Will Wright wrote:

    The author has raised a reasonable question and sef-reflection. I adore Mr. Peters’ comedy! I think that part of this is because (1) he’s hilarious and absent of malice, (2) he doesn’t indulge or overly indulge in profanity and (3) because he rags on everybody no matter their color.

    Bottom-line: he finds something to laugh at in almost all of our cultures or communities. I try to ignore the concerns about political correctness and just value the laugh. There’s too much seriousness in my life. I typically file very serious stories for public radio.

  45. Holly wrote:

    After reading Malcolm Gladwell’s “Blink” I realized that whenever I am exposed to racial stereotyping, even if I don’t want it to, it is remembered by a part of my brain. Then, I am unaware of it, but I make split second decisions based on those internalized stereotypes. Sooooo…. I decided after reading the book, that I will try to avoid being exposed to racial stereotypes whenever possible, and try to be aware and counteract them with other information whenever I can. What do you guys think? Has anyone ever thought about it like that before?

    Check out this site: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

    take the Race IAT test

  46. Vic wrote:

    Wow, I never thought about it that way before. Ever since, I saw Junot Diaz on the Colbert Report, I became his fan.

    This would explain why the conversation and interaction in America is mainly with a specific community of color and the white community.

  47. Kate wrote:

    Great post. Great blog. I am so glad I found this place. I have really enjoyed reading all of the posts. They are challenging, thought provoking, and fun to read. Thanks so much.

  48. G.K. wrote:

    I saw Russell Peters on a CBC comedy showcase not too long ago–it’s been a minute, can’t remember him doing one racial joke—but I do find the discussions about why his brand of comedy about racial differences differs from the usual stereotypical comic drivel very refreshing—the POC humor for POC folks angle sounds very intrieging.

    I don’t mind jokes about about the very real differences in races and culture, but it depends on how the subject is approached. Just a few months back, me and my sig nif (significant other) rented out a cable comedy showcase CD from 2004 titled “The Big Black Comedy Show” (it was a black comedian showcase–my sig nif recognized one of the comics as an ex-Detroiter). One of the comics was a hugh white dude maned Ralphie May, and it was hilarious to hear him tell jokes about the goofy stuff white folks, but I didn’t liek it when he started regurgitating tired old stereotypical jokes about Native Americans doing nothing drunk on reservations, as well as the same old tired jokes about “wetbacks” and other assorted BS. I hate it when comedians think that they’re being cool, oh-so-hip, and politically incorrect by saying the same stupid-ass racist jokes people have been saying for a hundred years, because they’re not saying anything new. I caught the comedian Lisa Lampinelli on Jay Leno one night and her jokes about Jews and black folks sounded just plain horrible and nasty AND stupid to me—I won’t repeat them here though. Someone needs to teach these comics new ways of approaching the subject of race in their material, without coming at it from this–like some previous posters said—-this hateful, ugly, malicious, nasty point of view that uses comedy as a weapon to put down everybody that’s different–there;s nothing original or even that damn funny about it,to me.

  49. G.K. wrote:

    Oops–I meant to he making jikes about Native American doing nothing but getting drunk on reservations—my bad for not proofreading enough.

  50. G.K. wrote:

    I menat to say “jokes”, not jikes! Aaaaaargh! I’m just getting old and decrepit!

  51. Valentina wrote:

    I’ve only seen the one Russell Peters skit where he’s talking about how white kids are the only ones that don’t get beaten and I found it hilarious. Jas and M.E.A. brought up good points that summarized some reasons why I think I can laugh at his jokes without feeling hypocritical.

    Jas
    Most likely because he’s so across the board with it. Kind of like South Park. They’ve poked fun at so many groups, situations, societal expectations, etc it’s hard to take anything they do regarding one particular group as offensive.

    M.E.A.
    No, comedy is not exempt from the power structures but when done right….like writing, comedy is a craft, and some artists are better at their craft than others. There might a thin line between exploring taboos and perpetuating racism, but the better artist walks this line without falling off.

    It’s nice to see something that isn’t catered to a white audience (though I do have European friends who’ve been hit before. I can’t remember if Peters said this in his skit but at least to me, it’s only North American white kids who have the norm of not being hit.) and can talk/critique something with a sense of humor. He has wonderful comedic timing, knows what he’s talking about and can balance himself well enough that he doesn’t come off as offensive.

    I’ve also watched Borat with my white peers at school and my family at home, and had no problems watching it either times. I’m not exactly sure why, but the people around me didn’t have an effect on me and how I reacted to the movie. It might’ve been a different story though if it had been the R.P.’s skit we were watching though. I do remember when my family and I went to go see Hairspray that we were the only black people there and we weren’t uncomfortable. But whenever they mentioned racism (”Once a month we have negroe day!”) I could feel the audience flinching as if I was about to storm out the movie theater.

    I don’t think I’m hypocritical for laughing at Russell Peters stuff. He comments on race but you can clearly tell the man is not a racist. He’s making relevant comments/jokes about different cultures while educating his audience. I can only applaud him for that. And it seems that a lot of people are uncomfortable because they think that because he’s using race and culture for the “butt” of his jokes that might make him slightly racist. Or that they should “uphold” their morals and not laugh. Honestly their is nothing wrong with talking about different cultures or races. He’s not putting anyone down or de-humanizing PoC. Our race and our culture are important parts of everyone and their lives and especially with comedy (if the person knows what they’re doing) it’s an intelligent way to get to people and educate them while entertaining them. I’m from Canada and at least in my school a lot of people are uncomfortable talking about our differences in terms of race. Many of peers are uncomfortable just saying the word black around me because they think I might get upset. That makes me sad because we shouldn’t be abashed, ashamed, or using our differences to put down others. We should use them to celebrate ourselves and each other. At the end of the day we’re all human despite our differences and I think Russell Peters realizes this and is simply a very funny guy.

  52. AgapeA wrote:

    i think what everyone else has said so far is very true. i particularly agree with the familiarity point because to me, a big part of what sets him apart is that he is making jokes about things that he actually *knows* about. with that p-mall joke, he tries for an accurate, cantonese-specific accent. as another torontonian, there’s also the familiarity of his jokes (including the somewhat crude but still hilarious sending his father to the store for punani joke) that speaks to the constant interaction between different POC groups in toronto that appeal to me.
    on the topic of books that deal with interactions outside of the wheel of tyranny, i really liked chang rae-lee’s “native speaker”. also, caribbean-canadian author dionne brand’s “what we all long for” is another one, though i didn’t like that book as much as i thought i would. actually, not to big up my country too much, but there aer a number of canadian authors who are circumventing the wheel of tyranny these days. if i think of some more, i’ll post some titles.

  53. Darcy wrote:

    I will admit that I do not watch too much stand up comedy, but I have been aware of Russell Peters for a while now and enjoy his act. My understanding of stand up comedy in general (not just stereotype-oriented stand up) is that, usually, the jokes are about the comedian him/herself or about someone else (frequently the audience or an audience member). The comedian obviously is not offended by his/her own jokes and the audience members rarely are, either. We have seen many people comment so far that either they or their friends are of a particular group that is mentioned in Peters’ act and they think he is hilarious. As has already been discussed, Peters’ mentions all ethnic groups, and this is partly why he is successful. His jokes, in a way, have a unifying effect, where it becomes OK to laugh at what is being said about one group because your group can’t be far behind. I also agree that he is commenting on the relationships between all ethnic groups. Furthermore, I think he is addressing a topic of major discussion on this site, which is that we all have adopted a certain amount of prejudice and stereotypes. He makes us laugh but at the same time makes us question why that is (a major talent of his), and I think this goes along with the purpose of this site.

  54. lucie wrote:

    i think russell peters reiterates racist sterotypes. her sometimes refers to south asians as tottering when they walk which i think is ludicrous.

    sometimes russell petter can be funny. i have to maintain some level of support for him because i know that it is not easy to be where he is today.

    i hate to compare artists of colour, but i am a big fan of hari kondabolu. i think he is an under-represented desi comedian in north america today, precisely because i think he chooses to not resort to stereotypes as much as possible and he tries to make people laugh about anger about racism. i think for these reasons, he is probably not so well-liked by white audiences. i was in a mostly white audience watching russel peters once, and frankly. i felt so ashamed by the end of his routine. and i love comedy, but i really love things to come from a place of love.

    racial bullying is such a big problem in canada, and there is very little recourse on the matter. i think that contemporary practices of brownface crap is an extension of that. and frankly i am sick of it and i think it is uncreative.

    i am a fat short darkish desi woman, and i grew up on an all-white street and went to an almost all-white school in kkk country and i was scared for my well=being, not all0wed to talk abou the slurs and the threats.

    i think people think it is urbane to laugh at this stuff. i think it is urbane to not. and white allies in the suburban community where i grew up took racism really seriously because they knew it was.

    you can check out hari’s stuff on youtube.

  55. ahimsa wrote:

    Re: interracial stories always being about white folks plus some non-white group, that’s one reason I loved the movie Mississipi Masala. (see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102456/)

    Of course, another reason to love this movie is a young Denzel Washington.

  56. Tal Ben Gurion wrote:

    Am I the only one who thinks this geezer isn’t funny? Not cos of any racial business, just cos his jokes are shit.

  57. M.E.A. wrote:

    Quote: “Am I the only one who thinks this geezer isn’t funny? Not cos of any racial business, just cos his jokes are shit.”

    Maybe you can’t relate/don’t understand the context and that’s why you don’t find it funny. His jokes are definitely not shit.

  58. Johhny Doe wrote:

    I have enormous respect for Russell Peters, in that he’s gotten pretty far as a stand-up comedian. I don’t know of too many Indian stand-up comedians who have the audience he does, and as an Indian, it’s always nice to see your people go far in entertainment, where they aren’t highly represented.

    The problem I have with the guy, and not him specifically, but EVERY minority stand-up comedian, is that they rely exclusively on these type of jokes as a crutch. Like I’m Indian, so i will joke around about Indian stuff. I’m Chinese, so I will joke around about how white people see Chinese, or how I see Chinese within Chinese, etc. The reason I don’t like it is because I’ve seen too many minorities complain about how underrepresented they are in entertaining, and I what I have stated above is exactly why.
    I challenge ANY minority comedian to go through an entire skit, and not even mention race, for one second. I imagine I’d rob them of 99% of their material with that proposal. I dislike it because the top, A-class comedians i’ve seen, Jerry Seinfield being the best example, use very general humor, that anyone can get. He doesn’t talk about white this, or jewish that, for the most part. And general humor isn’t something that isn’t available to minority comedians, I just think they are a little too self-aware of their ethnicity, or they think building their entire routine around it is the best way to break the barriers.
    No comedian in my book will ever be A-class unless they can do humor without mentioning race or ethnicity once. I won’t go as far as to say no profanity, but race/ethnicity has to be off the table.

  59. Johhny Doe wrote:

    I think my last post was too long, so let me rephrase it. When you tell a joke that DOESN’T rely on race, it’s infinitely more funny and appealing to the entire world, and its just funny in itself. Every comedian I can think of that relies on race, their non-race funny jokes are 100 times funnier. And for some reason, not many minority comedians exist that can do it.

  60. Ari wrote:

    I feel like Russel Peter’s jokes and delivery are both a lot more “tasteful,” if you can say in any way that racial jokes are tasteful. For one thing he doesn’t make fun of Asian languages the way other comedians have (I don’t know how many times I have heard the joke about dating “Sum Dum Ho,” which is simply irritating). He makes fun of sounds and accents, but in other standups he clearly explains the difference between languages like Mandarin and Cantonese (both of which he can imitate pretty well), which shows that although he isn’t fluent in those languages, he is not altogether ignorant of the way they are put together. He also doesn’t capitalize on hackneyed (and mostly offensive) stereotypes (e.g., Asians can’t drive, etc.) but rather outlines interactions between two races, and the way they look at one another. His descriptions are not by any means accurate because they are still stereotypes, but I prefer it. Because naturally offensive stereotypes are just that. But our interactions and our presumptions made through those interactions are, in a way, a celebration of our differences, the fact that we may not quite understand each other, but it sure makes a good joke.

    Personally I don’t have a personal vendetta against stereotypes because they can be fun, especially in cases like these. And sometimes people do have to lighten up a little. It just has to do with whether or not they are actually taken to heart (if you are smart, they shouldn’t be), and also whether or not they can be executed tastefully. Russel Peters’ accents were obviously worked on, and it wasn’t simply some guy pulling back his eyes and saying “Ching chong, ding dong.” He is able to mesh a handful of personalities together rather than making different races appear as caricatures.

    It’s sort of like those art pieces which were featured in a later post by that half German half Asian artist, the blue side of the canvas indicating the way westerners behave in certain conditions, and the red side reflecting the way people of eastern cultures interacted with one another. She puts these two things on one canvas so we can compare the differences, and think, “How weird! At these parties everyone congregates in small groups!” or possibly, “How weird! At these parties everyone eats, yells across the table at one another!” I think Russel Peters does the same thing—reflecting on our differences, and the way we might see one another—only through a dialogue, and with a little bit of humor. Is that so wrong?

  61. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Johnny Doe

    But could that be that b/c of race, Jerry Seinfeld is privileged NOT to have to talk about race? If you look at music it’s the same thing - if you listen to technically “white” pop music, there’s never any mention of politics. If you listen to the most mainstream, commercial hip hop, they talk about racial profiling, about crack wars, about welfare cheques. It could be argued that one of the ways in which people of colour lack privilege is that we are forced to think about awful, depressing things like inequality and how it manifests itself in our systems - where a white person whose race in part led to their higher class level doesn’t have to think about those things.

    So a comedian of colour can’t NOT talk about race - it’s an integral part of the way they interact with the world - and a white comedian doesn’t have to give two figs about race. I sometimes joke that I don’t know what I’d do for a living if there was no inequality in the world. NOT that I don’t want equality! But it’s such a huge part of how I see the world b/c of my experience as a woman of colour.

    @ Ari

    Similarly you say if people are smart they won’t take stereotypes to heart. I think that puts too much pressure on the individual. The problem is our culture which is riddled with stereotypes about all sorts of people - not people who have trouble ignoring the painful stereotypes they hear every day. I would say if culture was smart, it wouldn’t deal in stereotypes.

    Sadly, it’s not true that Peters doesn’t make fun of Chinese languages. In the performance I took those clips from, he makes fun of an East Asian guy’s name, overly pronouncing it with a faux-Chinese accent to sound like “Tap Sum Bong.” He also says something along the lines of “We got Chinese people here tonight? Woo! No seriously, Woo could be your last name.”

    Arguably the way he performs the second joke is affectionate. But out of context it just sounds racist.

    So I love him but I’m still conflicted!

  62. whitecholo wrote:

    he’s funny. So no it is not bad to laugh at him.

  63. Victor wrote:

    Russell Peter is hilarious. I am Vietnamese and I love his Vietnamese jokes. I think it is because he went to Vietnam and compliment the culture, before he makes his observational jokes.

    His audience is mostly Asians. Asian people love Russell Peter because he makes “in-house” jokes.

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