Perez Hilton Hates Yellow People

by Guest Contributor Jen, originally published at Disgrasian

Ever wonder how an internet meme gets started? Or, for that matter, how it then spreads and metastasizes until it becomes accepted fact?

Over the last week, we’ve seen one particular meme develop about China: “China Hates Black People” (courtesy of Perez Hilton).

This idea didn’t, however, originate with Perez Hilton. It started last Friday with a story in Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post, “Authorities order bars not to serve black people,” which alleged that Chinese government authorities were secretly planning to ban blacks from bars during the Olympic games. Reporter Tom Miller based the story on the claim of one anonymous source:


    “Uniformed Public Security Bureau officers came into the bar recently and told me not to serve black people or Mongolians,” said the co-owner of a western-style bar, who asked not to be named.

Then Miller quoted another unnamed source, a “black British national who lives in Beijing,” to further shore up the story:

    “Chinese people are prejudiced, but I would have hoped that the government would set a better example as it debuts on the world stage.”

The story was then picked up by legitimate news sources like Reuters, The Globe and Mail, and The Age, and that was before it hit the blog-o-sphere. Four days later, around the same time that the Chinese government officially denied that such a ban existed, Perez Hilton posted the story, et voila…a meme is born. In the two days since and at the time of this writing, 649 comments have been made about Perez’s post, and many of them are loaded with xenophobia, racism, and hate, and not just for the Chinese:

Look. There are plenty of reasons to distrust the Chinese government and not believe a word it says. Free speech does not exist there, dissidents are routinely jailed and silenced, and the government doesn’t pretend to be a democracy. We’re all pretty familiar with its suppressive tactics. Just ask Tibet. As a first-generation Chinese-American, I was raised with a healthy dose of suspicion when it comes to China’s government, because it was the Communists, after all, who chased both sides of my family out of the country, tried to kill my great-grandfather, tossed my great-grandmother into a labor camp for the rest of her life, almost killed my father (the bomb that dropped next to him was, fortunately, a dud), took away my mother’s ancestral home, made one of my uncles a permanent invalid, and generally devastated the lives of everyone I’m related to. My experience teaching in China after I got out of college only confirmed my feelings that this was a country where you couldn’t talk freely and you had to toe the party line and the government had ultimate power.

But I find this story about China banning blacks from bars during the Olympics–and how little it’s been substantiated–very difficult to swallow. China has strong ties to Africa, some of them a bit too strong for my taste (just ask Sudan). Beijing is an international city filled with foreigners. Of course, you will find Chinese people who are prejudiced, racist, and xenophobic. Some of them are my relatives! (During my year-stint there, I met a lovely older teacher who told me he was “afraid of blacks” even though he had never actually met a black person. And where did he get this idea? American movies.)

Kudos to the Shanghaiist for following up the South China Morning Post’s story with a considerable debunking and especially to Beijing Boyce (”A Somewhat Young China Hand on the Local Drinking Scene”), who did some actual reporting on this and hit many bars in Beijing after the story broke, painting a drastically different picture from the one in the Hong Kong paper.

Still, the Chinese are great at keeping secrets (just ask Calgon). So if this turns out to be true, you know that Diana and I will be first in line to shame the shit out of my mother ship. But, in the meantime, the idea that “China Hates Black People” is out there and, sadly, although it was intended as a commentary on racism, it’s only served to stir up more.

(To contact Perez Hilton, email perez@perezhilton.com)

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Comments

  1. Jas wrote:

    Honestly when this “story” first “broke” I was extremely skeptical.

  2. Daomadan wrote:

    Not super related but:

    When will Perez Hilton just disappear? What a disgusting human being.

  3. SarahSimone wrote:

    Aaaaand thats why I don’t read his ridiculous website. Thanks for reminding me.

  4. Stand Up or Shut Up wrote:

    It’s interesting that Perez Hilton, notorious for his racist posts and the horribly bigoted comments, even wrote about this.

  5. Sulyp wrote:

    I have always had the sneaking suspicion that Perez Hilton may be actually be behind some of the more “colorful” comments, as some of them have a similar vocab, writing style and *cadence* to his blog entries. He is very obviously biased, perhaps even slightly racist, seems to care only about justice for Latinos and gay men, even gay women he’s hard on (aka SaMANtha Ronson per Perez’s edict). I wonder why he’s so hard on the natural looks of people when he’s *hard looking* himself? Cruel without a cause, but it pays him money, so why should he care? .:rolls eyes:.

  6. Cynthia wrote:

    Sulyp,

    If it isn’t Perez himself, then it’s his friends.

    But back to the orig post: Would ignorant people start to think that EVERYONE in China is xenophobic?

  7. shah8 wrote:

    The rumor was believable because there have been incidents in which a city government decides to do something about drugs (the local face of which is Nigerian), and target all black people in an area…

    For instance
    http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/ov/archive/2007/09/25/beijing-vice-a-brutal-bust-reveals-the-strong-arm-of-the-chinese-law.aspx

    And that was just one of the incidents. There was another one that was widely reported on expat blogs, which I haven’t found and gave up after a bit.

    I didn’t have any trouble believing it, though I thought it was stupid that the government would be blatant about it right before the Olympics. The good thing about this rumor is that it might have exploded any thoughts of a more private discrimination during the Olympics.

  8. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!! wrote:

    Perez is a dumb racist, sexist, woman-hating asshole. He has never filtered or blocked racist, hateful comments on his stupid blog for the past three years and I’ve had enough of his BS.

    I’ve started boycotting his crap-blog.

  9. Mary wrote:

    Perez Hilton is scum. Seriously, if I met him in person, I would be sorely tempted to just kick him on sight. I’ll never forget the avalanche of anti-Indian racist comments that followed his post on Aishwarya Rai’s wedding.

  10. Gouw wrote:

    WOW I have never even heard of this mother fucker’s blog but I just read some of the comments on that post, they make YouTube look like fucking Yale in comparison.

  11. Kaonashi wrote:

    Ugh, this garbage pretty much steals all of his gossip from ONTD and other blogs and reposts pictures without permission AND GETS MONEY FOR IT. That why at least 10 places are suing him.

    I heard that the “China won’t serve Blacks and Mongolians” story was debunked in numerous places. I wouldn’t put it past someone starting this rumour out of spite, either.

  12. A. wrote:

    It wouldn’t surprise me if some American started it up to get blacks to boycott the Olympics.

    You know, when countries are on the road to getting more powerful than America, there are too many Americans that have a way of trying to rally the world against them.

  13. merq wrote:

    I distrusted the rumor when it first came out, and feared that some might find some validity in it — it just reeked of the same “Liz Clairborne/Tommy Hilfiger hate black people” bullshit.

    However, Hilton is a known racist douchebag who uses the controversy surrounding his racist posts (and commenters), as well as his numerous lawsuits to raise his public profile. How do you think he got his VH1 gigs?

    WOW I have never even heard of this mother fucker’s blog but I just read some of the comments on that post, they make YouTube look like fucking Yale in comparison.

    Gouw
    I dunno, man/girl. You should see what “Yalies” post on Craigslist’s Rants & Raves board.

  14. heyhey wrote:

    Oh just adding to the cavalcade of reasons I can’t get within a thousand feet of Perez Hilton. Also, “shame the shit out of the mothership” = golden.

  15. Mike wrote:

    That story just sounded so ass backwards, the Chinese goverment is hell bent on showing on showing a positive public image of its self, this doesnt sound like them at all.

    Besides were talking about money, cash, bucks, cheddar, grip!!

    A Klanman will sell his grand dragon robes to a member of the Black Panthers part if the money is green.

    On another note the fact that the Chinese are dumping money into Africa like it’s a blue chip stock does not mean they are black friendly, it means that the Africans have something they want.

  16. Genevieve wrote:

    @ Gouw:
    You are so damn lucky to have never heard of Perez Hilton before this. Unfortunately, I came across him years ago in Latina magazine before my subscription ran out. God only knows why the magazine staff put him in there to begin with…

    Interesting fact: Communism = direct result of downfall of Qing Dynasty = direct result of Opium Wars = direct result of douchebaggery against China = Perez Hilton. Perez Hilton caused this!!

  17. Lyonside wrote:

    Aside from the dubious nature of the whole thing, and the racism projection doubtless going on, can the media in general just STOP with the “China’s debut to the world” thing?

    Silly me, you’d think a country that’s been on the UN Security Council for DECADES and has, what, 1/3? of the world’s population would not be making a “debut” at this late stage of the game. I know they’re talking about China’s economic powerhouse-in-the-making status, but that’s hardly a real debut.. more of a reinvention.

  18. michael wrote:

    I have no idea if this story is true, but I would’nt be surprised if it was. China’s relationship with Africa is not one of equals, but perfectly mirrors western colonial exploitation. They want the natural resources of Africa, nothing more, nothing less.

    As far as Perez goes, I love how everyone claims to loathe him, yet his “gossip site” is the most widely read on the net. The people who post there are some of the most vile, ignorant people ever. I take nothing they say seriously, since they clearly hate themselves more than anyone else.

  19. Olivia wrote:

    Jen,

    I realize that you have some first hand experience in China but your comments about Beijing ring false to me. One of my best friends has just returned from a summer in Beijing. She is hapa, half Chinese and half-Irish. She did not find Beijing to be “an international city filled with foreigners”. In fact, due to her height and pale skin she found that she was constantly and blatantly stared at as an oddity. She was the only non 100% Chinese person she saw for days and days at a time. This is hardly Hong Kong here. Of course, this is just my anecdote vs. your anecdote. But any Chinese city that regards a half Chinese/half White girl with suspicion and confusion probably isn’t too friendly to black interlopers.

  20. Josh wrote:

    so basically this post is accusing perez hilton of manipulating his own comments? i really dont think so. perez has more than enough traffic/comments already and he doesnt strike me as someone who would be especially prejudiced, let alone a real racist. perez readers, i would think, are on average stupid white people. after all, its a really base gossip site.

    i love how blogs will refer to one another and byte each others info, but point a finger to make others look bad.

  21. Pheagan wrote:

    Oh God I really hope this doesn’t actually end up stirring shit between the Asian American and Black communities in any significant way. My uncle still feels the pain of the seventies-style Jews v. Blacks shitstorm.

  22. BlowTheTrumpet! wrote:

    Hello there!

    I think that all of us who are blog hosts need to be sure that we are not picking up every inflammatory news bit and putting it on our blogs WITHOUT knowing whether it is true or not.

    I saw this story you referenced on quite a few blogs.

    (shaking my head)

    Lisa

  23. Joseph wrote:

    @Olivia
    “But any Chinese city that regards a half Chinese/half White girl with suspicion and confusion probably isn’t too friendly to black interlopers.”

    I don’t think that is the point here. The OP acknowledged that racist attitudes exist among some Chinese–but using your second-hand anecdote to rationalize an imaginary government policy that officially discriminates against black people is an enormous leap. Like Jen I am no great fan of the oppressive Chinese government but the slippery slide of west-to east critiques (Governments to cultures to people) feels very familiar to those of us that write about the Middle East. Your “probably” isn’t based on anything more than a vague suspicion of an eastern culture you do not understand. Your friend may have been a curiosity in China as much because of her western comportment as her mixed-race status. While this ‘net meme focuses on “race” it is really about giving vent to western prejudices about eastern people. i.e. orientalism.

    Same old same old.

  24. Ron wrote:

    The anti-orientalism thing is overplayed. I will rely on an orientalist’s view before some liberal relativist anyday.

    The relationship between Chinese and Africans is a long and complex one. Africans have been going to school in China for some time now. China and Africa have been trading for thousands of years the interaction between the two is nothing new.

    Sometimes it is a renewal on the average person level that throws people off.

  25. atlasien wrote:

    Critiques of the Chinese government end up sliding very rapidly into “yellow peril” territory. It doesn’t have to be that way… as Jen is pointing out, all kinds of people, including plenty of Chinese people, have legitimate critiques of the Chinese government.

    I remember in the 1980s, anti-Japanese sentiment (”they’re buying us up!”) immediately translated into anti-Asian-American sentiment. Right now people of Latino and Middle Eastern are getting a disproportionate share of the hate, but it could easily swing back to Asian-Americans based on what the Chinese government does and how it’s perceived.

  26. Dan wrote:

    Aww Racialicious, this is disappointing…linking and referencing Perez Hilton’s site as if it has any bearing on truth and reality.

    Perez Hilton is as insignificant as the braindead people who read his/her site.

    There is much more noteworthy racial issues happening on a daily basis without having to dredge the blogosphere to grab some news from a bottom feeder like Perez Hilton.

  27. Pookumssays wrote:

    Olivia:

    All dogs must have two heads … cause I my friend saw a two headed dog once. Ha.

    Your comments are ridiculous. Just b/c one of your friends felt uncomfortable in Beijing automatically makes everyone there racist? Because people were looking at her doesn’t mean they were hating. Maybe they were just curious. Until very recently, China was a homogenous place. And, as far as I knew, few “outsiders” wanted to move to a Communist country in turmoil. Remember, China never billed themselves as a country of immigrants while drafting laws to make immigration of certain races illegal (as did the US to Asians, repealed only after WWII). Did they call her racial slurs? Make googly (as opposed to slanty) eyes at her? Refuse to serve her? I have gotten all of the above and more in a number of European and South American countries. Thus, I might have the right to suspect that SOME people in those countries are racist. Obviously “In fact, due to her height and pale skin she found that she was constantly and blatantly stared at as an oddity.” Beijingers, as northerners, are some of the tallest and most light skinned Asians on the planet. Unless she is over 5′10 and of Pillsberry dough-boy palor, I doubt your friend would have gotten any attention. Maybe they liked the way she dressed, or found her attractive? Unfortunately, western standards of beauty are still universal. “She was the only non 100% Chinese person she saw for days and days at a time.” This comment is racsit in and of itself. Of the thousands of people she saw everyday in this large city, did your firned personally interview everyone about their racial make-up? Hilarious. Sounds like she was the one who was being racist, or maybe you’re just putting words into her mouth trying to start something on this site. Sad, b/c I thought this site was for anti-racists, not for secret segregationists (who come in all colors) trying to start s***. “But any Chinese city that regards a half Chinese/half White girl with suspicion and confusion probably isn’t too friendly to black interlopers.” I thought you all the Beijingers, yes, all fifteen million of them, they were looking at your friend? Now, they were looking at her with “suspicion,” too? Give me a break. There are racist of all colors and creeds. I’m sure there are racists in China, as well as in every country of the world. However, keep in mind they don’t have a colonialist history towards Africa and Africans as many other countries around the world do. Africa and China have always been trading partners. Look it up. My goal is to educate. Examine your own motives before you start spewing poision on this site. Divide and conquer: the new strategy of racists.

  28. Anna wrote:

    @Lyonside

    Aside from the dubious nature of the whole thing, and the racism projection doubtless going on, can the media in general just STOP with the “China’s debut to the world” thing?

    Oh please yes. And the narrative of “look at those wacky Chinese people with their wacky ways!” *sigh*

  29. shah8 wrote:

    Ok, let’s stop here:

    There are TONS of blogs out there that talks about the african and african american experience in east asian countries…I love GaijinSmash, for instance. Race and Race issues in East Asia is an interesting and rewarding topic!

    That being said, there are actual, genuine issues about racism in China and in other places. While Korea is more uniformly hostile to non-Koreans, there are many, many other people who do all kinds of obnoxious things towards people with darker skins in East Asia.

    Moreover, local governments in Beijing, Shanghai, Honk Kong, and Taiwan all have explicit racist proclivities. It is only in the very recent past that Hong Kong and Taiwan have passed important anti-racist statutes.

    Black people who expect to do business in Asia should expect to deal with racism, as they would for most other countries. East Asia was quite receptive of Social Darwinist ideas in the late 19th century, and never really had let go of it.

    I get the whole anti-Perez Hilton and anti-orientalism thing, but understand that even though most Asians don’t have a clue about “why blacks are bad”, they certainly learned it from white expats, and it’s still possible in this day in age to be assaulted by the police for being black in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  30. Olivia wrote:

    @Pookumssays

    Spewing poison? Damn, I must be out of my league here. I never said that all Chinese people were racist. I was just relating the story of my friend. I guess I’ll tell her to keep her poison to herself in the future. Reactionary much?

  31. Jay wrote:

    In fact, due to her height and pale skin she found that she was constantly and blatantly stared at as an oddity. She was the only non 100% Chinese person she saw for days and days at a time. This is hardly Hong Kong here. Of course, this is just my anecdote vs. your anecdote. But any Chinese city that regards a half Chinese/half White girl with suspicion and confusion probably isn’t too friendly to black interlopers.

    Her mom (my assumption) didn’t teach her much about Chinese culture then…

    It’s not regarded as rude in China to stare at strangers. Or to talk about weight in front of people. Or jobs. It has nothing to do with suspicion. I can understand why your friend would be uncomfortable with it.

  32. Dorian wrote:

    I guess I’m also lucky not to have heard of Perez Hilton before. Kinda scary that site gets so much traffic, though.

    @Olivia
    I never said that all Chinese people were racist. I was just relating the story of my friend.

    You’re rather inconsistent with your comments. When you claim to “just” be relating your friend’s story, you at the same time want to make a generalization, which, from the context of your message, doesn’t look like “just” an anecdote:

    But any Chinese city that regards a half Chinese/half White girl with suspicion and confusion probably isn’t too friendly to black interlopers.

  33. Olivia wrote:

    @ Dorian:

    Its possible that Jay is right and that my friend misinterpreted the stares. But there is nothing inconsistent or hateful about my statements. I never presented any of this as an unequivocal truth just an interpretation.

    I realize this is a heated topic for many but you’re seeing things that are simply not present in my two previous posts (ie: inconsistencies).

    Of course, this is Racialicious and you have every right to be heated (esp. with the comments on Perez Hilton). I just don’t think that my comments make a particularly strong basis for your ire.

    I fail to see how a negative anecdote about Beijing paints all Chinese as racists.

    I respect your sensitivity on the issue but you might want to consider how it impacts the quality of your arguments.

  34. Daomadan wrote:

    Olivia, I’m not going to judge your friend’s experiences (there may have been as much cultural misunderstanding on her end as well as curiousity and/or fear from some Chinese), but starting your statements with “ring false to me” seems like you were discounting another person’s experiences and then telling a story that is not even your own to tell as a way of showing that Chinese people are xenophobic.

    “But any Chinese city that regards a half Chinese/half White girl with suspicion and confusion probably isn’t too friendly to black interlopers.”

    I think that’s painting some pretty broad brushstrokes when Beijing has over 15 million people living it.

  35. Joseph wrote:

    @ Ron (#24)
    “The anti-orientalism thing is overplayed. I will rely on an orientalist’s view before some liberal relativist anyday.”

    Noted. Thanks for the warning. Usually guys like you just start killin’ and rapin’ so I appreciate the heads up.

  36. Joseph wrote:

    @Shah 8
    “That being said, there are actual, genuine issues about racism in China and in other places…Moreover, local governments in Beijing, Shanghai, Honk Kong, and Taiwan all have explicit racist proclivities. It is only in the very recent past that Hong Kong and Taiwan have passed important anti-racist statutes.”

    Yes, yes…but, again, that is not really the point of the story here. The point is that someone made up a racist story about an entire nation of people and it was not questioned because of the underlying orientalism (waves hi to new friend Ron) which hangs around in western culture like a bad smell in the back of the fridge. i.e. West= Good and East= Bad.

    So lets not kid ourselves that anyone is reading Perez Hilton for a nuanced analysis of Asian governmental policies toward black foreigners…

  37. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Thank you Joseph.

    To those wondering, that was the point of this post.

    Not, “Perez Hilton/Perez’s readers are racist!” because that is hardly newsworthy.

    But I really enjoyed Jen’s breakdown of how these things add up, and her systematic debunking of the story, which never travels as far or as fast as the first sensation.

    The “foreign other” aspect was obviously of much interest, as I have heard far too many travelers spout some form of “You think the US is racist? Man, you need to go to —- because that’s real racism!” It’s a little too easy to try to pass off racism as someone else’s problem.

  38. Whitney wrote:

    You all may not like Perez Hilton or what he has to say, but that doesn’t give you the right to call names.

    Name-calling is childish. Yes, the comments section is horrific, so I don’t read them.

    However, when you start the name-calling, you are proving that you’re no better than Hilton.

    And as for the story being “believable,” well the only response I have is that it’s a Communist nation, not that it’s believable because of underlying “orientalism.”

    I don’t know. I really enjoy reading this blog, but sometimes I get the feeling that things are always assumed to be the worst. I think that the other side and the benefit of the doubt should be considered as well.

  39. Michelle wrote:

    I think Dan up there is right — Perez is not the website we should be looking to for any substantial intellectual stimulus. He’s crap and many of his readers (like the ones who comment) are stupid. Any given Perez post warrants all kinds of comments that threaten to kill him because he’s gay, to something offensive about vaginas, and so on. They’re likely a bunch of 12 year olds fooling around during computer class.

  40. locked wrote:

    what i have noticed about Perez Hilton (the blog) is that the commenters seem to be very racist.

    Whenever there is a person of color people seem to make the mosr vulgar and racist comments!

    And this goes on and on and on. I know that maybe the blog is too big to moderate comments, but there is a consistent pattern and perhaps Perez should think about it.

    Also Perez overwhelmingly blogs about blacks in a negative way.

    I haven’t read his blog in about a month thought, so maybe it’s changed?

  41. PaulPortland wrote:

    Whitney wrote:

    “And as for the story being ‘believable,’ well the only response I have is that it’s a Communist nation, not that it’s believable because of underlying ‘orientalism.’”

    I’m a little confused by this. Are you saying that it’s “believable” to some people because:

    1) Communist nations are able to indoctrinate their people to believe in things en masse?

    2) Or that communism is inherently a racist ideology?

    Or do you mean something else?

  42. Jen wrote:

    Hey guys. Jen of DISGRASIAN here. We don’t post comments on our blog, because Diana and I don’t have the fortitude or wisdom for it that Latoya and Carmen have, but I do love the spirited discussions here and thought I would jump in.

    Olivia, I hear you. My anecdotes about living in China and Beijing do not discredit the story that the Chinese government is planning to ban blacks from Beijing bars. By the same token, your friend’s anecdote doesn’t make the story of the alleged ban any more true.

    This is precisely my problem with the South China Morning Post story–citing ONE anonymous source to credit its claim is anecdotal at best. This does not qualify as journalism. This does not qualify as an exposé. This shouldn’t be something that then finds itself on the pages of Reuters and the International Herald Tribune and gives people carte blanche to air out their general, inchoate and sometimes irrational anxieties about China.

    I know some people wonder why I care what Perez Hilton writes about China, and I guess my only answer to that is because so many people read his blog. And I worry simply about how many people read his post and decided, Yup, China’s racist, and all the repercussions that issue from that.

    Anyway, I feel like I’m starting to filibuster and sound like my Hardass Asian Dad, so I’ll sign off now. Feel free to email me at jen@disgrasian.com.

    Thanks for reading and thinking about this.

  43. Whitney wrote:

    To clarify, Communist nations do not allow free speech. It’s pretty much what the government says goes, and no one is legally able to speak out against it. There is censorship, and government-produced newspapers. They may or may not indoctrinate, that’s not the point, it’s the lack of free speech. Communist nations are not free nations (I’ve been interested in the recent happenings in Cuba), and they may or may not be racist, but the one fact that rings true in all Communist nations, past and presence: intolerance. We see the remnants of Communism in Russia, because the gay community was forbidden to have a gay pride parade. Until recently, Cubans were forbidden to have cell phones. And it’s not that their specifically racist, but merely intolerant of anything that goes against what the government says and stands for.

  44. Olivia wrote:

    Thanks for your reply, Jen. I agree whole heartedly with what you’re saying. But I’m still concerned that people think its so much more inflammatory to say that “Chinese are racist” vs. “Americans are racist”(comparing this to many other threads on Racialicious). Perhaps its the race vs. nation element. I’m a long time reader of this site and I’ve seldom seen people get so up in arms over the assertion that Americans are prejudiced. I’m not saying that the Chinese harbor as much prejudice as the Americans…frankly I wouldn’t know. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it were comparable. After all prejudice, specifically anti-black prejudice, is pretty much a worldwide phenomenon.

    For the record, I still never said that Chinese people are all racist. But apparently, to say so is an inherently racist act. Is it equally racist to say: “Americans are racist”?

  45. Joseph wrote:

    @Olivia
    “I’m still concerned that people think its so much more inflammatory to say that “Chinese are racist” vs. “Americans are racist”(comparing this to many other threads on Racialicious). Perhaps its the race vs. nation element.”

    …You think?

    Come on now, you are being disingenuous. Of course it is different to say “Americans are racist” vs. “the Chinese are racist” because “American” does not implicate a particular racial or ethnic group, it is a national affiliation. It is perfectly reasonable to look to US American history and make a statement like that (although I’m not sure what the point would be, it isn’t exactly news). But an imaginary story that describes an entire group of people as racist is a slur, not a critique.

    Why is this hard to understand?

  46. Ike wrote:

    According to the comments on Perez Hilton, I am the most unattractive person on earth because there is a rumor that China will ban black people from bars during the Olympics.

    Some people just don’t understand anything.

  47. RJG wrote:

    I think it’s foolish to write off this rumor as just Perez gibberings. I ended up reading about this on Globe and Mail.

  48. RJG wrote:

    edit: I should mention I read this there and had no clue it was originally a Perez story. So I don’t agree with the comments going “Oh it’s just Perez!” since it’s not just Perez, and even if it was, no one is saying that it came from his site first, as far as I know.

  49. Yawn wrote:

    It’s funny how sketchy rumors pass as verified news…as long as it’s something negative about China.

    See cardboard baozi hoax story.

    Does it ever end?

    I guess not until China decides to join the Trilateral Commission and kowtow to the NW0…

  50. yazikus wrote:

    @- Whitney,
    Just as a side note, if you are in the US, just how much free speech do you think you have?
    It is easy to see the ‘other’ as bad and evil, but we in America are not exacltly rolling in freedoms these days.
    Sorry if that was OT.

  51. Whitney wrote:

    I never said that the “other” side was bad and evil.

    I know that free speech has limitations. However, here, the gay community is allowed to have a gay pride parade. That’s not the case in Mocsow:

    http://www.theotherrussia.org/2008/04/25/gay-pride-parade-banned-in-moscow/

    I know that here, in America, I am allowed, as a woman, to wear the clothes that I desire. That’s not the case in Saudi Arabia.

    The limitations on free speech here are not limitations on what we can believe or express about ourselves, but rather free speech that harms people, like obscenity, and yelling “fire” in a crowded room where there is no fire.

    You might not think we Americans are rolling in freedoms these days, but remember this: we can ALWAYS change it. We have a new president ever 4 years. We elect new representatives every 2 years. Laws are able to be changed, new laws are able to be made. That, unfortunately, is not the case in Communist countries (although there are changes happening in Cuba, good changes, due to Fidel Castro stepping down), and countries where religion is the law of the land, like Saudi Arabia and Nicaragua. I do not think it is any outsider’s duty to change that, as change must come from within, as seen in Cuba.

    The beauty of America is our Supreme Court (see the movie “The People vs Larry Flint” for example), and our ability as Americans to stand up for what we believe in and have laws changed. Look at the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, the Chicano movement, all sparked change. I wouldn’t say entirely cultural change, but it certainly helped, and laws were changed in the process.

    These things are illegal in Communist countries. I’m not saying that America is better, but I definitely appreciate living here because of my freedom to speak out against my country and have it be heard, and I won’t be silenced.

  52. Joseph wrote:

    @Whitney
    “I know that here, in America, I am allowed, as a woman, to wear the clothes that I desire. That’s not the case in Saudi Arabia.:

    Oh my dear girl, since when do you have the power to know the minds and wishes of women in Saudi Arabia? Is this a special superpower that only western women have? Must be, since they love to speak for their Middle Eastern sisters, often ignoring or contradicting their direct testimony about their own lives…it is tiresome to hear this rhetoric in an anti-racist space. The “feminism” of a statement like this is an old colonial trick to justify western attitudes and violence.

    Besides, your assumption that one can wear whatever one wants in the US is false: Blogger Raed Jarrar was pulled off of a Jet Blue airplane (Don’t Fly Jet Blue!) because he was wearing a t-shirt with Arabic writing on it. There are, unfortunately, countless similar examples–see the thread about the little native kid who isn’t allowed to attend a public school (!) in Houston because his hair is too long…

    You have a disturbing (but unfortunately typical) lack of knowledge about the extent of your own freedoms as an American citizen. Let me enlighten you by quoting Joseph Margulies’ book Guantanamo and the Abuse of Presidential Power:

    “The Bush Administration maintains that people seized in (the war on terror) may be taken—kidnapped if necessary—from any location in the world, even thousands of miles from any battlefield, without the knowledge or participation of the host government and without any judicial process. They may be shipped to an offshore prison (based) on nothing more than the judgment of a single, anonymous field commander. They may be held for the rest of their lives, based solely on the president’s self-asserted authority. At the prison they can be subjected to any conditions the military devises. And throughout their imprisonment, they may be held incommunicado and in solitary confinement, without charges of any kind, unknown to the world, and without the benefit of the Geneva Conventions, an international treaty signed and ratified by the United States and designed to protect people seized during armed conflict (Margulies 2006: 4).

    Just to be clear, “any location in the world” applies to you too–your American citizenship does not insulate you from being kidnapped by your own government and made to to disappear. So please don’t mom-and-apple pie me with this America is the best country because of blah-blah-blah rhetoric, okay? Not when there is a US-sponsored torture and interrogation camp off the shores of Florida into which any of us (ANY OF US) might legally disappear and never be heard from again.

  53. Whitney wrote:

    Well, I’ve read books and watched documentaries about living in Saudi Arabia from a woman’s perspective. From a Saudi woman’s perspective. Don’t assume that I’m ignorant. I don’t pretend to be an expert, and I’m surprised you took that comment as far as you did. You don’t know if I visited there, or have friends from there, who told me of their experiences there, so next time don’t assume so much and ask first before you start accusing.

    “Besides, your assumption that one can wear whatever one wants in the US is false: Blogger Raed Jarrar was pulled off of a Jet Blue airplane (Don’t Fly Jet Blue!) because he was wearing a t-shirt with Arabic writing on it.”

    And that is wrong. And I am sure that he sued Jet Blue. Plus, you don’t know if it was for his safety or not. You’re assuming it was for a racist thing. Did they say why he was pulled off, if they were against the Arabic writing, or because other passengers complained?

    However, airlines have certain jurisdictions and dress codes, and I recently heard about a woman who was asked to “cover up” on a Southwest flight because some passenger complained her skirt was too short. While I disagree with it, it is within the airline’s rights.

    But walking down the street, he would not be arrested for wearing that shirt. And her, she would not be asked to cover up if she was walking down the street.

    “There are, unfortunately, countless similar examples–see the thread about the little native kid who isn’t allowed to attend a public school (!) in Houston because his hair is too long…”

    I think you’re missing the point. That boy’s family has a right to protest it. In other places, that is not the case.

    I never said that America was perfect. But it still stands: we are allowed to elect our own officials.

    Presidents are able to be impeached and forced to resign.

    “So please don’t mom-and-apple pie me with this America is the best country because of blah-blah-blah rhetoric, okay?”

    I don’t think you read my whole comment. I said that America isn’t better. I know it’s not perfect. I never said it was, and if you think that I think that, you’re very wrong and very wrong to assume that.

    “Not when there is a US-sponsored torture and interrogation camp off the shores of Florida into which any of us (ANY OF US) might legally disappear and never be heard from again.”

    You’re quoting from a book. I wouldn’t believe everything you read.

    And all this crapola about the Bush Administration, well since we’re not Communist, we get a new president in January. Things will always be changing here.

    And don’t pretend that America is the only country in which that happens…..

  54. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    ******Okay, this thread is done. It is no longer productive. *************

  55. BG wrote:

    This story raises the same question:
    http://www.theloop21.com/news/do-the-chinese-have-problem-with-blacks

  56. WTF wrote:

    Perez is a guy?

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