What am I supposed to do?

by Guest Contributor Cheryl Lynn, originally published at Digital Femme

Long ago, when I was much younger than I am today, my aunt purchased a VHS tape of cartoons for my cousins and I to watch. She quickly removed the plastic wrapper, slammed the cassette into the VCR, and promptly left the room in order to tackle the long list of chores she had that day.

My cousins were toddlers. I was a small child.

I’m sure that my aunt believed that what she had set us down in front of was harmless. And it initially was. My cousins and I laughed at silly cartoons of goofy animals. The images were dated, but still quite funny. And watching them made me feel good.

Somewhere around the middle of the tape, the images changed. The animals vanished. There were no longer quick-witted bunnies or dim-witted pigs. There were black people. Black people that were designed to look like animals. Gargantuan lips. Inhuman noses. Blue-black skin.

Images all based on caricatures designed to ridicule the features of black people. Images that I saw before me.

I cried. I actually cried until I made myself physically ill. But I wouldn’t tell anyone what was wrong.

A few days later I approached my mother and told her that I didn’t want to be ugly anymore. I told her that I wanted to be white.

My mother looked at me and smiled. She told me if I waited in the bedroom for her that she would make me white. I waited, and after a few moments she entered with a bottle of lotion. She spread the lotion out in a thick layer on my legs as if she was icing a cake. My chocolate brown skin began to slip from view.

She stopped after a few moments and looked at me.

“Doesn’t that look silly?”

I nodded as she bent over to wipe the lotion from my legs.

“See? You’re not supposed to be white! You’re exactly how God made you to be. You understand?”

I understood perfectly. God meant for me to be black. He meant for me to be ugly. And I believed that for a long time. Because that’s what the images I had seen had taught me to believe.

I’m actually terrified to have kids. Because it’s inevitable that my children are going to come across the same type of caricatures that I did as a child. Why? Because comic and cartoon fandoms cling to these caricatures and cherish them. They create new ones based upon the older incarnations. They place these images above the basic human dignity of black people. They tell black people that nostalgia is more important than their humanity.

What am I going to tell my child when he or she comes across these images? How am I going to rebuild his or her spirit when the images break it? Because my mother’s initial approach? Did not work. And fandom simply isn’t going to let these images go. They don’t respect us enough to do so.

So, what am I supposed to do?

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Comments

  1. freedom wrote:

    I do believe that you are worried about a problem that comes from a bygone era. I am medium to dark complexioned (depending on the light available) and my children’s mother is dark, therefore, they both grew up to look just like me, maybe slightly darker, and they loves themselves and their blackness. I think that the old “self-hatred” thing maybe fading away. Besides, it seems, to me, that the kids of today are better than that. They have a lot more things on their minds. They are wired into the internet and can’t help but see all of the non-Black folk trying to look like they do - doing everything in the book to look black. It’s public and loud, so that there is no mistaking the trend. Folks want to look Black! Stop worrying and bless this world with some wonderful Black children.

    I can’t say that I blame them one bit for wanting to look like me (us)! Peace.

  2. Laurel wrote:

    I don’t know. )-:

    I bought a DVD that had a lot of those toons on it by accident three or four years ago. Their hateful stereotypes insured they’d never be shown on TV again, and this drove them into the public domain, where they keep getting recycled onto cheap mass-production “cartoon classics” discs with (in the case of the one I bought) “family approved” emblazoned on the box.

    If fans want to search out and collect such things, fine. (I’m an animation fan, and when someone starts nattering on about how unfair it is that Song of the South isn’t out on DVD in the US, I know I don’t have to bother talking to him/her anymore.) But to put them on the shelves of national chain stores for unknowing parents to take home to their kids–I literally cannot imagine how hurtful that is. There has to be a way to stop it.

    Creating such images in the 21st century is, of course, unforgivable. What kids of color have to deal with every time they visit the toy store, open a magazine, or turn on a TV set is bad enough.

  3. Mikey wrote:

    For what it’s worth - and it may not be much - I think there’s even less of that stuff now than there was twenty years ago. A lot of it didn’t make it through the transition from VHS to DVD, and while there are some collectors out there, it’s not just shelved as randomly (I hope, anyway). Meanwhile, there have been a lot more non-heinously-racist cartoons made, and the genre is really improved past the old Looney Toons/Uncle Remus days.

    90s cartoons are much more respectful - not that there was anywhere to go down.

  4. Mickey wrote:

    When your child comes to you wondering why Black is ugly, you won’t dismiss their feelings.

    You will be honest and tell them the world may see them one way, but that doesn’t get to define who they are.

    You will tell them that you love them and are there whenever they need to vent/question about society’s (sp) screwed up view of beauty in general.

    These are things I wish I had heard at age 13.

  5. Maria_Elena18 wrote:

    I wish I could hug the author.

    I think everyone who isn’t white grows up with the un/conscious expectation that they will grow up and be white one day. Does anyone remember that thing that Margaret Cho said about it?

    Anyway. What are you supposed to do when you have children? What your mother did sounded very sweet. But it didn’t work for you.

    There’s nothing you can do. Not if you boil it down. Our kids will grow up with the same standards and expectations we did. As parents we cannot become frozen by fear over something we cannot control. All we can do is keep them loved and educated. Continually call out the bullshit.

    When I go to my boyfriend’s house I get to visit this beautiful toddler who is a shooting star personified, and is so beautiful she could be a little model, but all of that is going to count for shit, because I know that by breathing air, through osmosis of prejudice, she will perceive herself as lacking when she is the most precious little baby girl there ever was, because of the way people will project their shit onto her because of her lovely deep dark brown skin. And this girl is a smarty and she’s daring and adventurous and extroverted and she practically glitters (can you tell I kinda like her?), but it will all count for so little compared to what it would count for if things were different. So her home will be a safe haven (aside from the TV so I mean that in the general sense), but I ache and worry so much for her. Plus, she’s of mixed race, and that comes with it’s own set of b.s.

    I have sat down with my younger cousin already because she bemoaned her little girl paunch and I told her this:

    “You are a beautiful girl. You could become fat and still be beautiful, because you are already beautiful. There are such things as ugly skinny girls. Also, anyone who tells you that you are ugly or somehow lacking is not looking out for you. They are trying to sell you something. There are people who are going to tell you that your hair, eyebrows, eyes, nose, mouth, skin, body and anything else you can think of is not good enough because they want to get into your pocket. People make a lot of money in this world by bullying you and telling you you’re not going to be good enough until you get this new lipgloss or these new shoes. It’s all one big lie to make you part with your money. And if they don’t want your money, they want your self-esteem.”

    Did it resonate? Did she understand? I don’t know. But I think it does matter that I said it. Parents have very real demons to fight.

    And I am in total agreement with the nostalgia being more important than someone’s humanity line you wrote. I was watching someone review old Christmas movies once, and the reviewer said, “if you can get past the blackface, you will find this to be a very entertaining movie.” And I remember thinking, “well blackface would kill the joy, but that’s just me.” And I stood in front of the television just staring at this person thinking about what dream world she resides in that would let her think and say that. But it’s exactly as you say. Nostalgia is more important than someone’s humanity.

    So in the end, what do I think you are supposed to do? Your best.

  6. Penni Brown wrote:

    Wow! This is soo deep…and sad.

    The first thing you have to do is learn how to love everything about yourself, including your skin color. When you love yourself, the images that contradict that message are less influential.

    Trust me! I am a darker-than paper-bag-brown woman, and even darker in the summer. Growing up, I got soo much praise for my skin color that, whenever someone made comments about me being too dark or not being light enough, I honestly thought there was something wrong with THEM. It’s to the point where I want to marry a chocolate man and have beautiful chocolate babies.

    I’m also the only brown woman I know that actually enjoys getting darker in the summer. I don’t want to ramble. My point is, if you love love love you, then your kid that looks like you will love love love themselves too.

  7. Cynthia wrote:

    To play the devil’s advocate:

    Sometimes we have to confront stereotypes just so we can discuss how negative they are. Fifteen years ago, the Show Boat revival opened in Toronto. Many black Canadians protested the production because they believed it was stereotypical and therefore negative to the black communities. However, that was never Jerome Kern/Oscar Hammerstein’s intent (nor was it Edna Ferber, the author of the novel). Their intent was to show injustice towards the black communities.

  8. GA wrote:

    i agree with maria elena, i wish i could hug the author too. it’s such a sad situation, and not an easy one. i was in a class once where we watched a video about the prevalence of racism in American culture throughout its history, and it showed cartoon after cartoon, image after image of these horrifying stereotypes. after watching it, i went to the bathroom and cried, it was so hard to watch it, and i’m not even black, so i can’t imagine what it would be like to see those things and know they are supposed depictions of me.

    all i can offer in advice, is when you have kids, engage them early on. don’t just mindlessly let them watch dvds when you don’t know what’s on them, and if you’re aware that there are representations of any sort that might be bad, discuss them with them. tell them what’s wrong with what they’re seeing, and provide other representations that will make them appreciate how beautiful they are. my mom used to do this with us, and it annoyed me at the time that she was always going on about this stuff, but i really think it made me a better person, and i know that’s how i want to raise my kids, whatever color they may be.

  9. Solange wrote:

    As a new parent I worry about having this conversation with my daughter. Years ago I read the book Why are all the black kids sitting in the back of the cafeteria”, it spoke about how minority children are more aware of thier race at an earlier age (very good book). I know she will be faced with ignorance, (for example I went to a b-day party with her and one of the comments I received was “oh she has good hair”, this is 2008) this self hating is still prevelant. However, as a strong person I will teach her that true beauty lies in your treatment of others not how you look c/ building her foundation on looks will be baseless and she will be weak, looks fade be it black, white or in between. Unfortunately racism and all those ism exist and she will have to learn how to be comfortable in her own skin and realize that our differences makes us great not less than.

  10. Paul wrote:

    A positive note here:

    I showed my predominantly white class “Little Black Sambo” and “Birth of a Nation” as part of a unit dealing with the Jazz Age. I did not tell them what they would see beforehand. When the images of Sambo and the Klan appeared on the screen, their faces showed shock and disgust.

    So, maybe as time passes people will slowly move away from the stereotypical tropes.

  11. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ Paul

    Sorry to be a Debbie Downer but I find that often (esp in educational settings) people will jump at the chance to show how un-racist they are by expressing horror at very blatantly racist images. This does not mean they are not racist, it just means that today racism has gone underground - blatant racism is not socially acceptable so other forms are adopted. For eg, the Asian is the New Cool T-shirt we discussed earlier this week.

    I think this is something Carmen has actually talked about a length in her diversity training (the part about how racism is no longer socially acceptable).

    @ everyone

    I do think it’s good to be prepared when you’re the parent of a racialized kid. I don’t know that they will have to deal with as blatant images as we, or our parents, or our grandparents (…) had to deal with, but they still might somehow internalise the idea early on that they are ugly or bad (like in the book Solange discussed).

    I think it’s good to be honest and aware of these things and expect them to come, and have a plan. In the article Cheryl Lynne wrote obviously her mum made a very touching and big effort to help but it seems like she either
    1) didn’t take it far enough
    2) didn’t show enough righteousness.

    By righteousness I don’t mean anti-racist vigilantism. I just mean that the writer’s mum approached it in a very soft way (at least from the way it’s described), when I think anti-racist parents shouldn’t be afraid to say “YOU THINK WHAT? THEY DID WHAT?”

    On a non-anti-racist topic but the same topic of being bullied at school along ideological lines, my friend has a story about how when she was little the kids at her school made fun of her because she didn’t have a church she went to (her parents were atheists). When she got home and told her mum what happened, her mum said, “You just tell those kids you come from the Church of Rock and Roll!!”

    Possible that the advice in and of itself wasn’t really helpful (though v. funny…) but I think for my friend, just knowing how much her ma had her back made all the difference.

  12. Thea Lim wrote:

    Oh I forgot to say (and sorry that I am always so chatty) that it’s also good to check for feedback. Like have a back and forth about it and always check in to see how your kid is doing. Be aware that one convo may not (will prolly not) be enough and that you should keep checking what your kid thinks about race.

  13. Teach wrote:

    Have you read The Bluest Eye? This post made me think of that amazing book. Read it if you haven’t. In fact, read everything by Toni Morrison. I don’t have an answer, but that book provides some strength and hope for me personally.

    And I apologize for being an annoying English teacher, but I have to soothe my grammar tick: “for my cousins and I to watch” should be “for my cousins and me to watch.”

  14. Paul wrote:

    Thea,
    I normally agree, but this appeared to be the gut reaction of the kids. Over the past decade, I’ve become pretty skilled at telling when a student is faking a response as opposed to reacting naturally.

  15. Renee wrote:

    @Freedom…unfortunately you are far from correct. The “doll test” was recently redone and black children still associate beauty and worth with whiteness. Everywhere our children turn they are confronted with images in the media that teach them that they are less than. As parents we can do our best to try and counter act these images but until social institutions like the media and schools dedicate themselves to anti-racism we are fighting a loosing battle.
    I teach my children black history because it is largely ignored in the schools. I am careful to point out examples of blacks achieving and yet they still struggle with their identity.

  16. Eva wrote:

    You tell your children that it’s all lies, that most of the “entertainment” on TV lies about everything and everybody. When I was young, my mom told me that all commericals lied, that most of the shows on TV were a lie to this day, I remember that.

  17. Winn wrote:

    What a great and moving post. This is an issue I struggle with, as I, like Laurel, am a classic animation fan who is conflicted about how I would share my love of old Warner Brothers, MGM and Walter Lantz cartoons with my (future) children. How can I balance the joy and laughter these cartoons gave me with the ugliness and caricature they embraced? How can I make sure that my children don’t internalize those images, along with so many other negative images of us in the media, and still see themselves as beautiful, smart and strong? I don’t have an easy answer, though Mickey @ #4 is a pretty darn good start. But I don’t think I can protect them from this negative imagery, as it seems to become increasingly pervasive in pop culture as attempts to protect children from this imagery drove the cartoons into the public domain. Now, these images crop up on t-shirts, coffee mugs, hats, and are celebrated on classic animation websites. If you ever want to have a soul-sucking experience, visit a classic animation website and read the comments in response to any criticism of racial and ethnic stereotyping in cartoons. It will make you weep for the future.

  18. coco wrote:

    when i was watching saturday morning cartoons and the warner bros cannibal appeared, my mother would always say:

    “you know, that’s not real, that’s not how black ppl really are,”

    and she’d inoculate me with a little bit of critical resistance to the images.

  19. C-Marsh wrote:

    I think that this post highlights two key components of racism. Racism is hurtful and it pervades almost every aspect of American Society. I know we all would like to keep our children innocent and untainted as the day that they were born, but protecting that innocence may lead to naivety about complex issues like race. Children are incredibly adept to understanding concepts that we do not expect them to understand. They may not understand these topics in the way that adults do, but they understand enough to make their own judgments. I think that the parent should actively engage their children and discuss these complex issues with them. I look at it from the perspective that I’ve always known that I was different because I was a high yellow black kid, but I didn’t have a greater understanding of race until I studied it and conducted research on it. I think that if we engage children early about tough topics like this, then they will have a guided tour about some of these complex issues, which will give them a head start in understanding topics such as these. I would have liked someone to teach me about race when I was younger. Keep in mind that this is coming from someone without kids. I’m sure this is something that is easier said than done.

    And as many have said, it is definitely important to help your child develop a sense of self love and self worth.

  20. Slush wrote:

    Two thoughts:

    I think it’s important to show your kids that they are beautiful and worthy, not just tell them. By which I mean, take opportunities to praise other people of color for their beauty in front of your kids. If they already know you love them because you are their mother or father, it doesn’t mean the same thing to them. But if you provide a lot of positive images and genuinely manifest admiration for role models - whether for beauty or for character - who are people of color, then I think kids pay a lot of attention to that too. They want to be that person who garners praise in the third person.

    Second thought - I don’t want to hijack the discussion about color and value, but I perceive this as something that afflicts women much more than men, and that might be an important part of the analysis. It’s about portrayals of people of color, but it’s also about objectification and beauty standards that are of course much more heavily imposed on women across the board. Do men feel the same pressure to be white in order to be beautiful?

  21. PaulPortland wrote:

    Thank you for sharing that very personal story, Cheryl Lynn.

    While I kind of agree that caricatured representations of non-white folks are, for the most part, unacceptable these days, the concept of self-hate doesn’t require those over-the-top representations in order to be perpetuated. As an Asian-American man growing up in predominantly white communities, bombarded by predominantly white forms of media back in the 1980s, I went through a long phase of “wishing for whiteness.” Part of it was self-hate (i.e., not liking what I saw in the mirror every day because it didn’t conform to society’s notion of “handsome”) and part of it was being constantly reminded of my difference when among my peers (i.e., harmless questions about the types of food my family ate, compliments about my English speaking skills, innocent comparisons between kids about skin tone during the summer months, etc.). Like some Asian-Americans, I even wondered to myself whether plastic surgery would allow me to shed this burden of difference. Pretty much every day since I was 10, I’ve been fighting the sense that my life would be so much easier, so much better had I been born white.

    Let me just end with this: my wife is Asian-American (half Malay/ half Taiwanese). I love her deeply and intensely. Recently, I had a conversation with a female cousin of mine who commented to me that out of all of our relatives, I would be the one who would be having 100% Asian kids. You see, practically all of my cousins have white spouses, and thus their kids are or will be biracial. Now, I don’t think my cousin meant anything sinister by what she said, but there was definitely something in the tone of her comment, almost as if she were extending her condolences towards me for not having aspired high enough in my life by marrying an Asian-American woman. Suffice it to say, that’s how I took it, and it sucks, because that sort of attitude is all on me. How can I, a 34 year old man, pretty committed to racial equality and justice, still harbor these stupid ass notions of “white is right” when my wife is the love of my life?

  22. Atena wrote:

    Cheryl Lynn,

    Have you been to antiracistparent.com? You can get a lot of insight from parents who have similar concerns, and parents who are dealing with these issues right now.

    There IS something you can do about it, and shame on anyone who would shrug their shoulders and leave a child helpless in the face of this cruel world. You can’t eliminate that pain from a child’s life, but you can give children good, useful tools to combat the inevitable bias and stereotyping that will certainly cause them pain. There are resources out there - the aforementioned website has lots of posts that describe them.

    Good luck!

  23. Francis J. wrote:

    What we forget is that movies are ethnocentric (focused on one ethnic group).

    The World population is heading towards the 7 billion mark. That means that 3 would be from Eastern Asia, 1 from Western Asia, 1 from South America, 1 from Europe and North America and 1 from Africa.

    One doesn’t need a degree in mathematics to realize that only 1 out of 7 billion is light-skinned.

  24. curlyscales wrote:

    Sigh, deep sigh. It wasn’t until I was in my early 30’s that I finally understood Shange’s book title, “For all the colored girls who have considered suicide when the rainbow is Enuf”. This battle of who and what is beauty is horribly twisted. It is a sad and odd state of affairs when one group goes overboard to “prove” they are beautiful with a barrage of images that seek to self-elevate at the expense of everyone, including themselves.

    For me, I use a piece from James Baldwin’s, “The Fire Next Time” to make sense of it all:

    “Please try to remember that what they believe, as well as what they do and cause you to endure, does not testify to your inferiority but to their inhumanity and fear.”

    To the author, you’re doing it already.

  25. Mary T wrote:

    Powerful post. I’m white, and this resonated with me. I can well remember trying to explain why something hurt or terrified me in this way as a child, and my mom trying but not quite getting to what was bothering me. Maybe one thing to do, should this happen when you have your own children, is to simply show them themselves in a mirror, and just ask — Aren’t you beautiful? And remind them how that look nothing like those hateful images. Because no one does.

    I frequent a lot of vintage and antique stores, and I refuse to buy from vendors who carry outdated racist caricatures–there’s one near me with a huge shelf of “native” figurines with spears, etc. I don’t like to think about what kind of people they’re trying to appeal to who would actually think that an image like that is something to have.

  26. Lisa J wrote:

    I do think that DigiFem’s fears are real because these things still pop up, sometimes new things get made that are pretty bad and I’ve seen things in the press recently about black children still prefering white dolls to black dolls, which tell you things are still really amiss with how we are represented.

    This story is really sad. I know that feeling of shame. I grew up a black female in a mostly white area and always felt really, really ugly (though now some people tell me I’m beautiful) and that stays with me and I would always be embarrased when things about black people came up or slavery was mentioned. I also thought I had really big lips and really dark skin, though now that I’m older I know that my lips aren’t big at all and I guess I could pass the bag test just barely depending on the time of the year; not that there would be anything wrong with being darker or having bigger lips but just by virtue of being black, especially around lots of whites, I automatically assumed that because I was black I had these attributes and couldn’t see what I really did look like.

    I even remember being told when I was in first grade to go home and take a bath and wash the dirt off my skin, and I sat in the tub for a really, really long time that night. Of course those images would still be shown sometimes on the Looney Tunes cartoons shown on the UHF channels (I’m dating myself). I’ve gotten better over the years but I sort of worry about what I would do with children if I have them but I tell myself and tell you Digi-Fem, I don’t think that should hold you or me back. Many children, regardless of color, get negative things about the way they look internalized and it affects their self-esteem but that isn’t a reason to not have them because otherwise no one would get born. Plus we need more progressive, open-minded, educated people of color having kids, not less. I’m sure if you are sympathetic, really open to listening to their concerns and fears and always being sure to make sure that they know that NOTHING is wrong with them for being black or mixed, tall, short, anything else they might be they will turn out ok. Especially since you are already sensitized to these possibilities. Plus, I guess if you pre-view anything you show them or watch with them, hopefully they will be ok.

    Good luck girlfriend and virtual hugs.

  27. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Thea–*I* never perceived you as chatty. Brills, on-point, utterly fab? Yeah, and by tons.:-D

    I co-sign with Maria_Eleni18 about wanting to hug Cheryl. Cheryl, if you’re reading this…

    ::big girlfriend hug::

    All I can say is you is not to set yourself up to be the Perfect Omni-parent, feeling that you *can* protect your child(ren) from all the slights, attacks, condescension, crude racialized pick-up lines, racist images and whatever else folks will come at your child with. Even the best parent can’t be everywhere their offspring is and cannot completely screen out the this society’s messages–heck, sometimes we ourselves transmit to our children the degrading, denigrating, soul-destroying societal memes about race, gender, sex and sexual orientation, size, ability, and so on. In other words, know that you’re *not* going to be the perfect parent–and forgive yourself for it.

    I’m not saying, therefore, that you give up and leave your child to face it alone or not have children at all. To me, what that means is you buffer the pains and extend the joys that will come your child’s way. When your child sees racist cartoon, for example, sit down on the floor and talk to her about it. When a classmate calls your child a racist/sexist/homophobic/sizeist/ableist slur, hold your child and tell him people’s opinion of him aren’t–and shouldn’t be–opinions of himself. When your children tell you that their teacher is giving them worse grades than their classmates though your kids know they’re doing better work or isn’t calling on them in class, see if you can arrange to observe the teacher or get a face-to-face parent-teacher conference with the teacher and talk to–and, if need be–confront–him about it. When you make a degrading comment about another ethnic group, apologize and ask forgiveness from your child, saying that’s not the example you wish to show because we all need to live in this polycultural (to borrow Vijay Prashad’s word) world and don’t need to add to the miasma created by interlocking bigotries already in place.

    Cheryl, please don’t concede your desire to become a parent to racism and other prejudices.

  28. Persia wrote:

    I was watching someone review old Christmas movies once, and the reviewer said, “if you can get past the blackface, you will find this to be a very entertaining movie.”

    Unfortunately, I find this to be the case with a lot of entertainment– I could finish Holiday Inn, which has a very specific blackface scene (and might actually be the movie you’re referring to), but cannot make it through Breakfast at Tiffany’s. But even modern stuff can bother me enough to stop me from watching it– the Stargate series come to mind. The problem’s still there, and IMO ‘old’ artifacts like the racist cartoons are important to help us understand where people are coming from and how far we need to go.

    The older I get, the more important I think teaching our kids early about media literacy is essential– kids and adults are much less likely to absorb the ‘bad’ lessons if they’re taught to question what they see and what’s underneath the surface.

    Thanks for sharing what you went through, Cheryl Lynn. I think you’ll be a great parent if you choose to have kids.

  29. Thea Lim wrote:

    @ TCS: oh you! stop! don’t stop!

    @ Persia’s quote:

    It always pisses me off when people say, in ref to art especially, if you could just get past (insert hateful images), it’s enjoyable. I think that’s ludicrous! Those images are an inseparable part of the art. Everything is connected - you can’t unconnect them.

    It reminds me of the “bad apples” argument. Eg when the torture at Abu Ghraib was first unveiled, the first answer from the Bush govt was to say “it’s just a few bad apples.” Actually, it’s systemic racism that can’t be uncoupled whenever it’s convenient.

    I prefer the argument (applied usually to thinkers or writers like Nietzsche or Hemingway who did and said some awful things, and some amazing things) where we say, this hatefulness is an inescapable part of this art/thought, and how does that effect the parts of the art/thought that we see as positive?

    That seems a lot more constructive and a lot less delusional to me.

  30. Heather wrote:

    Most people think their mothers are the best and I’m no exception. While I was growing up, my mother did something which I think helped quite a lot.

    First of all, you have to be very careful about what your children see on TV and at the movies. We were not allowed to just plop down in front of the TV and watch any old thing. If we wanted to watch, say, Different Strokes, we’d have to ask to watch that. When it was over, the TV went off.

    If my mother saw something she disapproved of or thought questionable (say, black people stereotyped as criminals) she would say something to us about it.

    Actually, it wasn’t directly to us, now that I remember. It was just general disapproving remarks towards that sort of stereotyping. She’ d watch the news with us, and do the same. Being anti-racist was an intrinsic part of who she was, and she naturally passed this on to us.

    Also, my mother emphasized to us, over and over again, that what we saw on TV, in movies or magazines was false and bore no relation to real life. After a while this actually worked. By the time I got to high school, I never imagined or wanted my life to be like characters I saw on TV. Because I knew that not only was my life not like that, other people’s lives weren’t either.

  31. Jo wrote:

    “I think that the old “self-hatred” thing maybe fading away”

    I am in my mid-twenties and reading this article made my hair stand on edge. I think that out of the self-hatred as come forth a defiant people, like myself, who say that we love our skin color. But I don’t think the self-hatred has gone anywhere. It may be simmering just below the facade of black love. I know personally that until I see a picture of my two very much lighter-skinned sisters and I together, I love myself or more apropo in a world of indifference to the color of my skin. But the moment I get around them, the same fears and doubts I had as a child rear their heads. I wonder what people make of me and what this article brought back to the forefront of my remembrance is the way my mother DID NOT handle it because she herself bought into those same self-hating idealisms. What if I have children and they have those insecurities and instead of reassuring them, I somehow reinforce their fears?. I think that that in and of itself is a valid fear.

  32. summer wrote:

    As a dark-skinned natural-haired woman, raised in the deep south whose overcome those same demons, mom and aunt to little brown children, my question to the author, is has she stopped believing that black is ugly — truly? If so, how did she do it?

    Because I believe that children feed off of their parents, and if you begin presenting positive images of blackness (children’s stories, pointing out little black children using words like handsome, pretty, etc.) and if you truly believe that equating black with ugly is just absurd, you have a strong chance at combating the imagery they may come across.

    But if you still express insecurity, then I think this will come across to them as well. But if you have overcome this, then you use the tools and the words that helped you to impart a sense of pride in blackness to them as well.

  33. jvansteppes wrote:

    This reminds me of a discussion I had with an Indian coworker who told me the worst year for her in elementary school was the year the film Aladdin was released. This entire piece of her childhood history was affected by it and I’m sure countless others were too, with lasting psychological effects.
    People say its getting better but there’s still so many examples out there.
    I don’t watch cartoons often but when I was at a movie rental place a few months ago they were playing one of a monkey wearing a turban-like hat talking in an Asian accent- apparently this was on the show ‘Power Puff girls’- and it reminded me that distorted racial signifiers are still alive and well in cartoons.

  34. Keren wrote:

    When I was a young girl I really, really wanted to have white skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. My mother would tell me that my skin colour was beautiful: ‘ Look! All the white people try to look like you! They’re all trying to tan themselves on the beach and pay lots of money buying lotions and sunbeds so that they can have the same skin colour that you were born with- you should be proud!’
    I don’t remember how effective it was, but it definitely gave me something to think about.

  35. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Thea–LOL I’ll stop when you stop, friend. Until then…:-D

    Along with what you and Persia (hey there, Persia!) said re: getting past the racist and other awful images to “enjoy the film”–film critic Roger Ebert wrote a rather complex review of Birth of a Nation, where he admits struggling with it being hailed as a “cinematic masterpiece” by his flick-reviewing collegues that glorified the Ku Klux Klan:

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030330/REVIEWS08/303300301/1023

  36. atlasien wrote:

    I really struggle with this issue. I read, enjoy and have gotten a lot out of some older stuff with extremely racist depictions… one example that springs to mind being H.P. Lovecraft stories. Just because something is racist doesn’t mean it lacks intrinsic value. But what’s really complicated is that much of the time, you can’t separate the racism from the intrinsic value.

    One of the best literary examinations I’ve ever read about this dynamic was Edward Said’s essay on Rudyard Kipling’s i>Kim. It’s the guy who wrote the book on Orientalism, reading the uber-Orientalist… and he doesn’t soft-peddle anything in the book, but he draws out what he likes about it. Another parallel essay is a piece by Samuel Delany on the Edgar Rice Burroughs Tarzan books.

    I remember reading Kim myself at a very young age, absolutely loving the book, but thinking there was something fishy about the “East is East” stuff…

    But in some other areas I have absolutely zero tolerance. I don’t want small children exposed to those kinds of things anymore. I feel like I was very much psychologically damaged by negative depictions of Asians growing up in America in the 80s. Like PaulPortland describes… I never contemplated surgery but I was about half a degree away from that stage and only narrowly escaped it. Sometimes those experiences come back with a vengeance. I was watching Entourage, a show I kind of enjoyed, until they had a throwaway Asian massage parlor scene; I felt almost physically ill and never watched the show again.

    Perhaps racism in pulpy literature didn’t bother me as much, even attracted me, because at least they showed people of color as being powerful, possessing evil secret knowledge, worthy of fear by white people… it’s hard to untangle this stuff.

    Right now I have zero tolerance when it comes to my son. I don’t want any racist depictions or stereotypes anywhere in my house. It’s definitely harder than people imagine sometimes. I had an old Southern cookbook on my shelf that we bought for 50cents, I opened it one day and every chapter had a different mammy caricature illustration. Things like that can add up.

  37. Cynthia wrote:

    Atlasien:

    ZERO items with stereotypes? Does this mean that you won’t have a DVD of, say, Madame Butterfly (stereotypical Asian female) or Clueless (Cher is portrayed as a Jewish American Princess)? Or South Pacific? Sometimes, you have to confront stereotypes to learn that it is wrong.

  38. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Even though many old racist cartoons are no longer shown unedited on American TV, alot of them can be bought as DVDs uncensored overseas.

    Living abroad I saw that Tom and Jerry was very popular in the country I’m currently living in. When I bought a DVD of it once I was
    surprised to see images of the “black mammy” and of black face,
    which I never came across watching this cartoon in the early 80’s. It’s like America has
    started exporting its racism abroad!

  39. Ali wrote:

    Ah, Ditigal Femme, I am sending you a big, fat digital hug right now.

    This is such a tricky situation. Building a positive self image for kids who belong to marginalized groups can be quite a daunting task. I think a lot of the resolution comes with age. I remember being in the 5th grade and washing my hair praying like hell that by some miracle it would come out stick straight. Of course that never happened and it took several years for me to fully appreciate my hair but I did finally come to that place. Now, I love the texture of my hair. I love the versatility, I love feeling connected to my ancestors. Most of all I love that I am no longer legally required to cover it from public view!

    Like so many other aspects of parenting building a positive self-image (for children of color in this case) seems like a trial and error thing. What your mom tried may not have worked for you but you’re at least thinking of what to tell your future kids. To me this seems like a very proactive step. Parents of color, anti-racist parents and parents of children who are members of (or conscious of) marginalized communities have to be much more selective about the things they expose their kids to. I think for these communities, more so than others, strength in numbers is a major factor.

    I think that building solid alliances with other marginalized groups is going to be a powerful weapon in the war for our kids (and future kids) self-esteem. This “Leave it to Beaver” ideal that is so often forced on us just isn’t true. It’s an unattainable goal for everyone, even “whites.” It’s difficult for a kid of color to comprehend that they are being demoralized for the entertainment of others, that’s why I think being extra exclusive about the images you expose them to at a young age is a must. However, TCS also has a point, that you can’t expect yourself to be a super mom because you aren’t always going to be there. I guess it’s just a balancing act.

    I agree with Maria_Elena18 and GA that early engagement is key. If you aren’t raising your kids to buy into white supremacy you’ve got to be an extremely proactive, alert parent because you will be constantly combating the destructive imagery and ideas vying for your kid’s attention.

    @Solange - I agree, “Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?” is a great read!

    @Atena - antiracistparent.com is another great resource. Strength (and support) in numbers!

    @TCS - Thanks for sharing the Ebert link! I wonder if his relationship with his wife was a catalyst at all for his views on the film? (Ebert’s wife is black btw)

  40. atlasien wrote:

    Hell no, I’m not going to have Madame Butterfly in my house. I don’t like opera enough to justify a bunch of fetishistic garbage. About the others, I don’t really know enough to comment.

  41. Persia wrote:

    ::waves at Thea and TCS, good points, both of you::

    Perhaps racism in pulpy literature didn’t bother me as much, even attracted me, because at least they showed people of color as being powerful, possessing evil secret knowledge, worthy of fear by white people… it’s hard to untangle this stuff.

    atlasien, it’s incredibly hard! The new “Spirit” trailer (looks terrible, btw) had me looking up things on Will Eisner, and he had a character called “Ebony White,” who in the early days was drawn very offensively to modern eyes. But wikipedia (not a definitive source, of course, but a source) said there was little criticism of the character, because on balance the depiction was so positive and so much better than so much else going on in Eisner’s time. So Eisner gets points for progress, but demerits for insufficient progress. And there’s just so much material like that. (Reprints of the Japanese comic Astro Boy actually have disclaimers in the front because of the physical depiction of African-American characters.)

  42. maia wrote:

    Dear Cheryl Lim,

    I am feeling you on this struggle. I have a one-year old daughter who is biracial. I am a darksinned black woman. And I grew up in the 80’s wanting to not be black. My mom was pretty progressive, and said things constantly like: look at all those white folks wanting to be Black. That helped a bit, but I also internalized this idea that white folks with a couple of ethnic features were beautiful, but being straight up black was ugly. And so I worked really hard to be the ’smart one’, cause beauty was out of the question. When I look back at my pictures from school dayz I realize how cute and beautiful I was. And I wish society could have seen that beauty for what it was. Rather than the a Black woman is beautiful if she is lightskinned with light eyes and straight hair and a pointy nose, etc. I used to stand in front of the mirror for hours pressing my nose together trying to make it ‘cute’. And I know I am not the only black girl who put a stocking on her head so I could have a long swingable pony tail. Funny, that I had a dream this morning of my daughter being told that she was black and thus not pretty, and her response was: Black women are the most beautiful women in the world. And then she starts naming all of the beautiful black women in the media. I woke up kinda happy but also troubled that the best dream response I could think of was to make black women ‘the most’. Rather than to love all of the different and amazing ways that women express their beauty globally. During my late teens, early twenties, I played up all the exotic dark ‘other’ aspects of black beauty. I became a kinda ‘untouchable’ beauty. More icon than real woman. Now I am in another transitional phase of relating to my beauty. I find myself admiring that mixture of ’strength’ and ‘fluidity’ that women exhibit globally.
    And I know that my daughter will also have to struggle with her own sense of beauty. And I hope that because she has had a mama willing to look straight into the face of a racist beast that says that we are not beautiful, she will have the space to discover her own strategies for doing so.
    My mom did her part, she kept images of beautiful black women in the house (there were no images hanging on the walls of white women) she believes that she is beautiful and that her dark skin is a part of that beauty. I had to add my own visions to her vision by loving my nappy hair, by creating my own picture stories about beautiful black girls to offset the images that surrounded me on television and outside of her house, and by embracing images of traditional cultures of African women (fuck national geographic). And my daughter will have to add her own visions as well. I wish it were easier, but I want her to pass the ‘doll test’ with flying colors

  43. Cynthia wrote:

    But Altsien, re: Madame Buttefly: I believe Puccini (Belasco, Long, Loti, etc) was trying to get the message of the Ugly American/Westerner across. It may be uncomfortable to watch, but how else are you going to examine stereotypes without confronting them?

  44. atlasien wrote:

    The Madame Butterfly story is completely poisonous. It portrays the Asian woman as the ultimate doormat, passive in the service of the white man, nobly killing herself to ensure the happiness of the white man and the white woman, meanwhile still advancing a heroic white man rescuer/evil Asian man dynamic. The Madame Butterfly figure is worse than the Uncle Tom figure.

    When people are of age they can choose to watch whatever they want. But I am not going to choose to show that kind of stuff to vulnerable kids. They need the tools to critically understand stereotypes first.

  45. Brian wrote:

    If you think kids having this feeling has gone away, it certainly hasn’t. It may not be as blatant or overt as it once was, but follow this link to see what things that kids of color are STILL internalizing based on what they see in the world around them:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fEy0q6yqc&feature=related

    Brilliant video. And made by a high school student. Impressive.

  46. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Ali–even we *know* that being in IRs don’t inherently guarantee a burgeoning anti-racist consciousness or an I-ain’t-racist pass, as for Roger Ebert….I can’t say for sure. From what I understand, he’s protective of her. An example: Ebert was on David Letterman, and Letterman, doing his bit, went out into the audience to have his fun with them. He came to Ebert’s wife and asked him if, indeed, this woman was his wife. In a dead-serious, don’t-eff-with-her tone of voice, Ebert said, “Yes.” Letterman quickly skittered away from her.

    I’d like to think that Ebert and his wife have had discussions about racist imagery and the suffering they cause, and Ebert has read up and reflected on the issue. Perhaps those things led to the review?

  47. erica wrote:

    No too long ago my husband bought “classic” cartoons on DVD from Target because they were really cheap. One of them was the original tom and jerry (not the cat and mouse, but two white guys) and one of the shows was the white cartoon guys painting their faces black and going to Africa to get into trouble. my husband and i watched it before the kids did, so we threw it away before they watched it. What if we didn’t though, since the box gave us no idea that cartoon would be on there.

  48. Ali wrote:

    @TCS - Very interesting stuff indeed. I’d love to see that episode of Letterman. I find that very often when people in “non-traditional” relationships are interviewed they’re expected to make light of it. Nice to hear that Ebert wasn’t having it! This is very true about IRs not immediately endowing people with instant racial compassion but I have noticed that some people do attain a higher level of POC issue consciousness as a result of being in a relationship with someone who deals with bullshit on a daily basis. Of course that shit can also backfire ala that scene in “Something New” when Simon asks Kenya if they can “lay of the black thing” for just one night.

  49. Cheryl Lynn wrote:

    @summer. I overcame it by hoarding. If I saw an image that featured a beautiful dark-skinned black woman, I’d ask my mother to buy it for me. And she would. I think I had every black Barbie doll ever made. I kept clippings of magazine advertisements in folders. If a comic book had a dark-skinned black woman on the cover, it would automatically go in my collection.

    Once my mother realized how she could help, she did. A lot. But at first she simply didn’t know how. And once she realized how, it was still like fighting a forest fire with a pail of water. Positive images were few and far between. And with her fair skin and small features, she couldn’t use herself as an example.

    If I have a daughter that looks like me, I suppose I’ll use the same hoarding technique. But now it’s like fighting a forest fire with a spray bottle. I honestly feel as if I come across fewer instances of beautiful dark-skinned women in the media than I did when I was a kid.

    @freedom. The problem is not from a bygone era though. A few weeks ago Memin Penguin was on Wal-Mart shelves. I can walk into Borders and encounter Ebony White or a Gollywog in an American graphic novel or a Sambo doppelganger in a Japanese manga volume. I turn on ESPN and Chief Wahoo is smiling back at me. I turn on my computer and a poster on a message board is using a racist caricature as his icon. The hipster at the coffee shop has a racist caricature on his Supreme shirt. And people tend to get irritable when you point out that these images are hurtful. And they get downright hostile if they think that they may one day not have such easy access to them.

    @all. Thanks for all the hugs!

  50. Jann wrote:

    Heart wrenching story. Hugs to the author.

    I am white and my husband is a recent immigrant from Indonesia. We are both concerned about how to help our (future and eagerly anticipated) children navigate the bi-racial American experience that neither of us experienced growing up.

    Although I was unaware of race impacting my childhood identity (white in an all white community), I do remember that I desperately wanted to be a boy. Not because I was gay, but because I had picked up on the limited, and frankly unexciting roles that woman played in most of the literature I was exposed to. Woman were not pirates, presidents, or adventurers, etc – if I wanted to aspire to these roles, my logic went I would have to leave my gender behind.

    I think I could have felt less misogyny towards myself had I been exposed to less misogynistic literature, more diverse gender roles for women and more family discussion about stereotypes in society. (which was not on the radar in my household.)

    I think perhaps this is also the key in dealing with self-identity and racism. Though honestly this is daunting. I feel ill equipped.

  51. Jay wrote:

    But Altsien, re: Madame Buttefly: I believe Puccini (Belasco, Long, Loti, etc) was trying to get the message of the Ugly American/Westerner across.

    Why can’t it do both, exactly? Still doesn’t negate the fact that it _is_ rather poisonous in terms of its message.

    And to be able to confront stereotypes, you have to have a framework to do it, otherwise you’d just be absorbing them and internalizing them.

  52. Phil Deeze wrote:

    I’m a male reader on this topic, and I didn’t realize that brown-skinned women go through this so early on. Please read that again: EARLY ON.

    I know that brown-skinned women catch hell in HS, college and beyond with guys chasing after the light-bright ladies. Being told they weren’t as pretty as the light-complected ladies, etc.(Not hating on light-skinned women, I’m light-skinned myself and have chased my fair share all up and down the ol’ Fashion Fair rainbow.)

    I just didn’t realize that these hurts started so early on in young girl’s lives. And that they had such a deep effect later on.

  53. Torontonian wrote:

    I’m not a parent, but I think it’s important to not only try to overcome your own internalized racism, because children *can* pick up subtleties and are always watching what you do, but also to offer an alternative society. They say it takes a village to raise a child; your child’s education does not come only from you, but from society at large.

    When I was a child, I thought that many of the things my family did was done because they were weird. Only later, as I grew up, I realized that some of these were cultural things, while others were just weirdness. Anyway, my point is that if you make your household antiracist, it’s possible that your child will think it’s just your family’s strange worldview, and not connect it with people of colour around the world resisting white supremacy. It would be nice to have not just you resisting racism, but have antiracist family friends visiting and discussing antiracism, so that your child won’t think it’s just you being stupid, when they get to that age.

    It’s easier said than done, though.

  54. Anya wrote:

    Powerful post. Thank you so much for writing this. Seeing the movie “West Side Story” as a kid did a real number on me, also…

  55. PaulPortland wrote:

    I have a question. One of the reasons, I think, that I’m a bit more optimistic about the future for my children (when I have them, that is!) in regards to self-image and self-esteem is the rise of what Fareed Zakaria, among others, calls the Post-American World.

    The fact that other global powers are rising in economic and cultural influence seems to portend a future when notions of beauty, masculinity/ feminity, values, and, essentially, what is considered the norm are shifting towards a non-white, non-American, non-European perspective.

    My question - does (or should) what happens in the non-white parts of the world (i.e., 80% of all the planet’s people) influence in a meaningful manner the way Americans who are PoC view themselves? Or is our fight against stereotype and for dignity a solely American project?

    In other words - and I’ll use Asian-Americans as an example - should the rise of China, India, and the other Asian Tigers along with the growing popularity of Asian media (e.g., Korean dramas, J-Horror, anime, Bollywood, wuxia, etc.) mean that, inevitably, the negative stereotypes of Asians in America will fade away and be replaced, almost as if by osmosis, by the positive images eminating from the East?

  56. NancyP wrote:

    I had no idea those sorts of cartoons were readily available (but then again, I didn’t watch many cartoons with people back in the 1960s, I only remember the Flintstones - and I don’t have kids). As for censorship, I think this sort of stuff should be retained in historical film archives and available (and labeled “adult”) for use in documentaries about racism in popular culture. It shouldn’t be available in the children’s section.

  57. Cynthia wrote:

    But Atlasien, the INTENT of Madame Butterfly is also to portray Americans/west as EVIL. Butterfly was a victim of colonialism/imperialism/etc. In order to make her a victim, the character had to be written that way. In the opera, Pinkerton is seen toasting with his buddies telling them that he’s going to go home to marry a “real American wife.” It’s a political statement, and people should be able to see that.

  58. Jess wrote:

    Y’know, I come from a family with a half-Japanese mother, a white father, and a sister who looked like she was adopted because of her light skin and blue eyes and blonde hair.

    The n-word was not allowed in our house. My father still sees it as the worst thing you can say, ever, and I am almost 40 now. (I was watching the “naggers” episode of South Park, which I have mixed feelings about, but my dad got real mad).

    Anyhow, you can’t protect kids from racist images, but you can talk about them, which my parents did. I grew up reading Tintin, which has a lot of pretty racist imagery in it, but it was written in the 30s and 40s. Of course, the stuff was different as we weren’t reading it in English all the time, but still.

    I think it’s important to be able to say why images are racist or offensive. And I think we’ve moved a bit since Disney came out with Uncle Remus. Not as much as we would like, but some.

    I thought of something my father said. He noticed that I and my sister have a much more diverse group of friends than he and my mom do. He added that he thought people of my generation have a deeper understanding of racism than his, even though he earned his political stripes helping black folks register to vote and my mom’s parents defied miscegenation laws in Colorado at the time.

    That says a lot I think. So I wouldn’t be too despairing about it. Take things as they come. When I was a kid I so wanted to be like the other kids who were Irish Catholics, for the most part. (Long story, I grew up near Boston). I learned it didn’t matter.

    I think kids are more resilient, sometimes, than we give them credit for. If you love them and tell them so, they’ll turn out ok.

    I also think more sophisticated fans of the old cartoons are well aware they are racist, and are willing (I hope) to acknowledge that, and take it as it is. You can’t change it but you can understand it, you know? The existence of Birth of a Nation doesn’t mean we endorse it’s position. Do the old images of Japanese people from the War make me cringe a bit? Yup. But I wouldn’t try to shield my kids from them. I would tell them that those images were wrong, and why they should stand up to people who accept them as they are, and ask what they think and how.

  59. NancyP wrote:

    Detailed plot summary of Madame Butterfly:

    Madame Butterfly is about the deception of an innocent girl who believes that she is getting marriage for life, an unexpected event for her since she comes from a family who dropped to the bottom of the social ladder when her father was accused of treason. She jumps at the chance to marry a Westerner, itself a move that others in the community find scandalous. Great honeymoon with much luscious music, at least if you like opera. Her American “husband” (by a breakable contract) “is called back” home to USA, and leaves while she is pregnant, saying he would be back in a year. She hangs onto hope, and 3 years later, he comes back. She believes he is going to settle down with her in Japan, but is shocked senseless when he brings an American woman with him, immediately recognised by her as the wife replacing her. (The husband says to the American consul, “I’ve married a real American bride”, and is condemned by the consul as cruel). The American woman has come in order to take care of the 3 year old child her husband is claiming. The girl, robbed of husband, child, dignity, and hope, commits suicide.

    In my opinion, the original book made it quite clear that the American man was the villain, who ignored the advice of the consul not to marry an innocent and hurt her, and then ignored the consul again on his return to Japan with “real American wife”.

    Madame Butterfly is a 15 year old girl who chooses and sticks with what she thinks is the best chance available. She has neither the social standing nor the experience to become one of the vengeful women of Japanese (or American) storytelling.

    Among minor characters, there is a loyal maid, the careful but insufficiently emphatic American consul, a rude and noisy Japanese priest who curses the girl, and the girl’s cousins etc who are gossips.

    The opera is squirm-worthy if you just read the usual synopsis. It improves on reading the full translation of the libretto (book) and judging the characters by their options.
    Your views may vary.

    The plot turns on a supposed temporary marriage contract available in Japan but not the US in the 1890s, and the “local color” element in music and costuming was considered to be a novelty likely to draw playgoers. Otherwise, it’s a standard plot of a dashing but dastardly older man who woos a young woman who bears his child and then deserts her, leaving her shamed and sometimes destitute. (Hey, Showboat!).

  60. Atena wrote:

    Another great resource is tolerance.org - practical anti-bias tools for families and educators.

  61. alex wrote:

    as a white woman, my views on this are obviously colored by privilege. feel free to read as skeptically as you like. but following this conversation made me think back - a lot - to a conversation i had with a boyfriend, once, about being scared shitless to have a female child. how would i teach her to love her body when it was so difficult for me to love my own? how could i model it for her when i was so conflicted myself? and how much would i mess her up if i couldn’t be that model? i’ve never forgotten his response, although we’ve long since broken up. he said, “maybe what you do is you show her how hard this shit is, and how much there is to fight, and how you’re not perfect at doing it. because maybe that’s what she needs to learn - not that some ideal version in which you’re not affected by all these messages, but the reality of negotiating all the messages and resisiing them and doing the best you can each day. you don’t need to be strong all the time. you need to teach her how to find the strength to deal with your own weaknesses.”
    hugs to everyone who’s scared by this all. it’s scary.

  62. Stacia wrote:

    Thank you so much for this. As a fan of films, I find myself arguing with other fans constantly because I get so upset at the racism (and sexism) in older films. I’ve been to film festivals, participated on tons of film forums, even have a film blog of my own now which I’m kind of proud of, and I have yet to meet one other person who thinks humanity is more important than film. They trot out the same excuses: “It’s just fiction” or “It was a different time” or “It’s just comedy” or, the granddaddy of excuses, “You shouldn’t censor history”.

    It’s terrible, and I find myself so saddened and frustrated I just give up trying to explain why it matters. In the future, I will point them here, because what you’ve written here is important and honest and lovely and sad all at once. Thank you.

  63. freedom wrote:

    @Renee

    I am not far from correct, as I am merely speaking for my own children, in the hopes that others are like them. I taught my children to relish their Blackness. They took it a bit too far, and I sometimes must chase them from the mirror (lol). They have seen “blackface”, pictures of “strange fruit”, and have heard just about every racial slur there is to hear. In the end, nothing deters them from loving the idea of being Black. I suppose I should add that they have most of all the “Black features” one can stereotype about: big nose, curly (nappy) hair, dark skin. IMHO, I believe it is all in the way that you teach them. In teaching them how beautiful they are at an early age, if they don’t already display that trait, it makes it easier when the real racism rears its ugly head and they must decide that “I’m better than that”.

    No - not all children will turn the situation around after being told that they are ugly. I can only go back to the same idea of teaching them how beautiful they are at an early age.

    @Cheryl Lynne

    My bad - By “bygone era”, I meant children thinking that Black means ugly, not that the products aren’t still sold. However, even with that clarification, I concede anyway, judging by the responses that shout otherwise. Apparently, “Black = ugly” is alive and well. I guess I am fortunate to have raise two proud children.

    Don’t be discouraged, though. You can do it, and they can survive. Peace.

  64. atlasien wrote:

    Uncle Tom’s Cabin also had a positive political (anti-slavery) theme. The archetype is still horrible. So is Madame Butterfly. It’s the worst possible figure for an Asian-American woman to look up to and empathize with. “You too can prove your tragic beauty and nobility by sacrificing yourself for the white man and abandoning your hapa kid!”

  65. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Cheryl–a couple of Black beauty and fashion sites to look into:

    Afrobella
    http://afrobella.com/

    Make Fetch Happen
    http://makefetchhappen.blogspot.com/

    Gorgeous Black Women
    http://gorgeousblackwomen.blogspot.com/

    @ NancyP, Jay, and Cynthia–in atlasien’s defense, whatever Puccini and his collaborators had in mind, somehow that’s not what’s being seen on the stage–that’s why Madame Butterfly is such a contested piece of art. Especially when Madame Butterfly is still seen in a country, like the US, that continues to stereotype APIA women as “submissive girls.” So, Madame Butterfly is seen, therefore, as another vehicle that folks just looooove as art but perpetuates that stereotype. Knowing what I know about atlasien, I think she’s very, very capable in instilling in her son a framework to handle such imagery without necessarily having her child see those images. Even as we’re online, she may be discussing those images with him so, when the day comes and he sees them (because I bet he will), he’ll (hopefully) remember what his mom said about them and may be able to deflect internalizing the image and its message.

  66. Cynthia wrote:

    Atlasien,

    That tragic beauty/nobility was NOT the point of Butterfly, evilness of the west was.

    NancyP, thanks very much for posting a synopsis of the plot :)

    C

  67. Persia wrote:

    I think it’s also important to talk about when something is appropriate– a teenage girl with an interest in racism, prejudice and cultural appropriation is going to get something very different out of Madame Butterfly than an eight-year-old girl. They’re at very different levels of sophistication and development.

    I certainly wouldn’t give the opera to my nine-year-old Korean-born niece, pretty music and bad Westerners or not.

  68. Sara wrote:

    Very likely I’m not about to add anything new to this discussion, but I thought I’d say something. I was over at Keith Atkins’ blog on The Root, and a commenter to his blog entry on light-skinned privelage had this to say: “How to instill self-love to my son in a world that tells him that he doesn’t deserve it based on his skin color? By talking about it and not pretending that it doesn’t exist. And teaching him that his worth as a person isn’t determined by the color of his skin. And that his skin is just as beautiful as anyone elses’.”

  69. gatamala wrote:

    During my late teens, early twenties, I played up all the exotic dark ‘other’ aspects of black beauty. I became a kinda ‘untouchable’ beauty. More icon than real woman.

    maia, I LOVE how you put this. Reminds me of fashion magazines (classic vs. exotic).

    Phil Deeze

    I just didn’t realize that these hurts started so early on in young girl’s lives. And that they had such a deep effect later on.

    It’s harsh isn’t it? Do you have a little girl? I would argue that it starts at infancy and is in full swing by the time the kid is a toddler. Have you ever seen how folks swoon over lighter-skinned/-eyed, curlier headed babies?

  70. emjaybee wrote:

    Just wanted to add my sadness. Just today my coworker, who has been worried about his three year old suddenly not liking daycare, got a call from another teacher there. Seems the three year old’s teacher “doesn’t like Asian kids” and is being abusive. Which is why the kid has been crying and not wanting to go to a place he used to love.

    So now coworker has lost half a day of work and who knows how much time and cash to get his kid out of there and into somewhere better (and to take other action against current daycare, obviously), and that little boy has to deal with someone hating on his darling self at THREE. It is so enraging how this poison keeps popping up in our culture, and how much damage it can still do.

  71. Lisas wrote:

    @emjaybee, that is horrible. What a rotten teacher. Some people are so horrible and to have that attitude around children. On a similary, but sader note I have an ex-boyfriend whose ex-wife was Asian and he had 2 kids with her. His mother was very racist (I’m sure she was un-happy that he was with me) to the extent that she was much nicer to her white grandkids than her mixed-race Asian grand kids. On one occasion his 6 year old daughter and his 16 year old white niece went to the mall and were given money in advance to buy tickets for a bunch of the family to go to see a movie. The movie was sold out, the 16 year old spent some, maybe all of the money, on something for herself and the little one. Who did Grandma yell at for the incident and spending money for the wrong purpose? You guessed it, the 6 year old! Not the 16 year old who was in charge and should have known better but the baby because she was half-Asian. My ex- was raised by his Marine Dad in Okinawa so he didn’t have all of his Mom’s hang-ups though he and I broke up after he told me that black kids shouldn’t learn black history because it makes them hate white people. We had a big fight and he didn’t call me after that. Hopefully he is a wee more sensitive when it comes to his kids with those sorts of misguided attitudes. I do know he loved them a lot so hopefully they will be ok, but how does he protect them from Grandma? How sad is it that your Grandma can’t treat you right because half of your family tree isn’t the “right” (white) color. Sad.

  72. G.K. wrote:

    @emjaybee

    That’s messed up about your co-worker’s situation—that teacher needs to be taken out of circulation or just fired–what the hell is somebody like that being around little kids throwing their sick predjudices on them like that, anyway. That’s seriously f**ked up—your co-worker did the right thing getting him out of that environment.

  73. Whitney wrote:

    @ Teach:

    I read The Bluest Eye while doing my undergrad in English Lit. The book was taught in a class that was about black women writers.

    I took the class because as a white woman, I wanted to understand the feminist perspective from black women. And I have to say, that class changed me and challenged my views as a white woman and growing up white.

    The Bluest Eye brought me to tears. Because it was something I could relate to, wanting to be special. Toni Morrison is my favorite writer. Thanks for sharing!

  74. Whitney wrote:

    And to the OP:

    Thanks for sharing and being honest.

    I think it’s going to be tough for any woman to teach their daughters that they are beautiful because of the media and the bombardment of models and pin-thin actresses girls view every day.

  75. Jay wrote:

    Atlasien,

    That tragic beauty/nobility was NOT the point of Butterfly, evilness of the west was.

    1) How do you know what the point of the play was?
    2) Does it even matter? The end result is still the same (Japanese woman sacrifices herself for the good of the white American man).
    3) The fact that he (as a proxy of America) is “evil” doesn’t really factor into it much, especially in the modern context where the “bad boys finish first” meme is very pervasive.

  76. NancyP wrote:

    Plenty of plays, novels, and so on can be read for several different meanings. I would suggest that very young people should not be exposed to material that isn’t positive about their identity. This requires finding newer works - children’s librarians are your friends! Once the children reach an age when they can develop critical skills with the help of a parent or a teacher, then they can be introduced to controversial or traditional but flawed material, with care. Don’t forget, it’s not just racism against blacks, against Asians, etc that rears its ugly head. Look around you, and ALL girls are shown as passive rescue-me types or boy-obsessed types, and encouraged to view their identity as strongly associated with their appearance (hooker or princess) and not with other characteristics. This starts early, and new media with active girls in the lead role is still relatively scarce. Old media - forget it! My childish mental life was always that of a male, because I couldn’t identify with the generally passive females in the stories. And it didn’t get any better with the teen years and “classic fiction” in Literature classes.

    You have to teach kids that different readings may be possible. You have to teach children how to critique television commercials, cartoons, tv shows, fads in the culture around them, as well as try to give them wholesome reading and viewing matter. When they reach the teen years, you have to equip them with even more bias detection equipment, and may need to point out that technical or artistic skill can coexist with sexist and racist opinions held by the artist or in the usual readings by the racist majority - and that there are plenty of items that are unrecoverable by all, or by you the reader.

    I am white. I love opera, despite many many retrogressive features in the plots and details in the books. Women are there to be beacons of purity, assertive women of (sexual or nonsexual) experience who suffer for their actions (think Carmen, Brunhilde), prizes to be fought over. I cringe at the stereotype of Monostatos in the Magic Flute, I cringe at the long section in Hans Sachs’ finale monologue on defending Germany from outside artistic influence (this became Hitler’s favorite bit of Wagner), I cringe at a lot of exoticism for the sake of exoticism, and Puccini was an offender, although one of the exotic cultures he featured was the Wild West. In other vocal works, I cringe at some of the texts in St. John’s Passion (Bach) blaming the Jews, but any Christian has to deal with detoxifying the gospel. Still, there is great art there, and one works around the defects or limited worldview of the artist.

  77. Jay wrote:

    Do men feel the same pressure to be white in order to be beautiful?

    I think so, yes, but not directly. Men are praised more for achievements than looks, and white people are often praised for being successful _and_ beautiful.

  78. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Jay–I think so, yes, but not directly. Men are praised more for achievements than looks…

    I hope I’m not derailing the thread with this question. In your opinion, what do you think about the rise of metrosexuality and the rise of plastic surgery for men? From my view, I think these signify that men are becoming more directly praised more for their looks than achievements nowadays. (If I’m not mistaken, Susan Faludi discusses this in her book, Stiffed.) And how do you think this looks-over-achievement-for-men phenomenon breaks down by race? Or could this be its own post and discussion thread?

  79. sfsinger wrote:

    Subscribe to a system of superiority as the antithesis of the inferiority meme bandied about. These images need to be confronted head on. They are no more false than a talking animal and should not be given such weight. It all comes down to staying positive and knowing they don’t apply. I remember seeing those old 50’s cartoons and I was always offended and thought they were stupid. I never once believed they reflected my image but the image of racists exemplified. There are a lot of modern images that have potential to cause more harm imo such as the booty shaking videos and the language that accompanies certain music. It is worse because it comes it is served to us by people who look like us.

  80. Torontonian wrote:

    Cynthia,

    But Atlasien, the INTENT of Madame Butterfly is also to portray Americans/west as EVIL.

    What exactly is your point? You haven’t gotten past Racism 101. Intent is mostly irrelevant, because people say/do lots of racist things with good intentions.

    Stereotyping Western/American men doesn’t cancel out stereotyping Asian women. Two wrongs don’t make a right, Cynthia.

  81. Davita Cuttita wrote:

    Wow, this story is amazingly sad; I can relate.

    As a Black child, I was very, very fair skinned (biracial father, black mother). One day, as my mother mopped the floors with bleach and water, my sister attempted to dip her arms into the bucket. She was about 3 or 4 at the time.

    Luckily, my mother stopped her and asked why she would try something like that, knowing what bleach did. My sister replied that it was because she wanted to be White. In her mind, washing the light shade of brown out of her skin was no different than washing dirty white socks.

    I wonder the same thing you do–if I have kids, how will I teach them?

    I’ll teach them the same way my Dad taught me.

    Sitting them down beside me, talking slowly, sharing my experiences and turning the pages of a good history book/a book from my native country (Jamaica).
    Doing the best I can.

  82. Cynthia wrote:

    Torontonian,

    Puccini/Loti/Long/etc would not have been able to get the message across, especially at that time (late 19th century/early 20th century) without creating a story like that. In addition, the original source (from Pierre Loti) was actually loosely based on a true story.

    I’m sure 100 years from now, people would look today’s movies, even those which are really PC in our eyes, as completely ignorant/racist/sexist/whatever.

    Oh, and how would YOU have written the story?

  83. Jay wrote:

    I hope I’m not derailing the thread with this question. In your opinion, what do you think about the rise of metrosexuality and the rise of plastic surgery for men? From my view, I think these signify that men are becoming more directly praised more for their looks than achievements nowadays. (If I’m not mistaken, Susan Faludi discusses this in her book, Stiffed.) And how do you think this looks-over-achievement-for-men phenomenon breaks down by race? Or could this be its own post and discussion thread?

    It can be its own post and discussion thread, there’s a lot to cover, but I’ll try and note some things:

    1) Height is a significant attraction factor for men, and it’s not trivial to change (there are procedures for doing so but they’re dangerous, painful and error-prone.) Height is also a correlation factor for success, but I think it’s a matter of perception=reality.
    2) The fact that looks and success are somewhat correlated muddles the equation somewhat.
    3) There’s still a strong element of homophobia in American society that disrupts the phenomenon.
    4) As for breakdown by race, I don’t have enough information to process that properly - most of the examples of metrosexuality that’s reported is white. I do think that the hypermasculine/emasculation stereotypes that affect the black/Asian American male community probably affect it. I’d probably need to do more research.

  84. Warren B. wrote:

    “…comic and cartoon fandoms cling to these caricatures and cherish them. They create new ones based upon the older incarnations. They place these images above the basic human dignity of black people. They tell black people that nostalgia is more important than their humanity.

    What am I going to tell my child when he or she comes across these images? How am I going to rebuild his or her spirit when the images break it? Because my mother’s initial approach? Did not work. And fandom simply isn’t going to let these images go. They don’t respect us enough to do so.”

    As someone with an interest in the cartoons and comics fandom (read: big geek) I can’t help but feel that I’m being tarred with a very specific brush.
    I don’t indulge or delight in ‘blackface’ images. I’m surprised to hear ‘the fandom’ in general does. Maybe they’ve been keeping it from me. It’s a conspiracy I tells ya.
    Maybe it applies to the small subset interested in vintage cartoons or comics. Maybe then a percentage of that subset, who collect media with racist images. And how many of them collect media to appreciate the racist images? I’m not excusing those images, but it narrows down, y’see.

    I can’t claim to fully know or understand the lifelong hardships described here, but I’m sympathetic. No, really. Although - while it’s no comparison to said hardships - I’m not happy about being indirectly accused of one of the worst sins of the age, lumped in with ‘the enemy’. Usually because of my pasty colour (irony?), and now because I’m a comics fan, of all things. You had me up until those statements. You still have me, so to speak, but I’m not so sure that I’m wanted.

    It’s a very uneven exchange; but consciously or unconsciously responding to negative stereotypes and generalisations with yet more negative stereotypes and generalisations probably, IMO, isn’t the best way to win hearts and minds. Does nothing for me, anyway.

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