Diversity Inc – “Why Whites Can’t ‘Get Over’ Color”

by Latoya Peterson

Diversity Inc.’s Ask a White Guy Column has posted a letter that should feel all too familiar to any anti-racist activist. An excerpt:

I am a white female and I can tell you that I don’t talk about blacks for fear I will be called a racist or be called to the table, especially in the workplace, for discrimination. We (whites), at my company, are not allowed to talk about blacks or any other ethnic group because we would get fired. I will say that whites are very sensitive now because we are discriminated against. Blacks can have the NAACP, BET (Black Entertainment Television), Black History Month, United Negro College Fund, etc. If white people were to start something like the before mentioned there would be a huge uproar.

The writer also manages to fit in all of the following gems:

* “[B]lacks that keep bringing up how their ancestors were slaves need to look a little more into history books. Blacks were not the only ones who were slaves, all races have had slaves, and even whites. ”

* “Nobody is forcing anyone to stay in America, you are free to leave whenever you please (and that is for every race), and, nobody took YOU personally from Africa or Asia or Spain or Italy or from anywhere else.”

* “I love the fact that America is a big melting pot, full of color and different cultures. ”

* “Until we get over the past we will never fully get along.”

* “Get over the color!”

Deep sigh.

What do you even say to someone like that? Where do you even start?

Luckily, she sent her question in to someone who is paid to deal with this nonsense. Luke Visconti took great pains to address all of her concerns:

Given your current state, I would most strongly recommend you avoid racial discussions at work. This is good advice for most people. Your e-mail gives ample reason why many people will say something worthy of being fired. I don’t think you intended it to be offensive, but I’m afraid much of your e-mail is.

I’ll start with your comment about the NAACP, UNCF, etc. Black people founded these organizations to counter discrimination directed against them by white people. Keep in mind that the discrimination people faced today is NOTHING like the discrimination that existed when these organizations were founded. In our recent past, “discrimination” included thousands of African Americans being lynched and lawful bigotry like segregation.

The UNCF was founded to support our nation’s network of Historically Black Colleges and Universities — the sole source of higher education for Black Americans until the 1960s. Black people had practically no access to “mainstream” higher education.

The NAACP was founded because legislation was passed in the early 20th century that prevented Black people from voting. Another reason the NAACP came together was lynching — until federal legislation was passed in the 1920s, thousands of Black people were murdered by hanging. The reason why federal legislation was important is that the local white-run law enforcement and judiciary proved to be incapable of prosecuting the white murderers. The NAACP was also instrumental in desegregating public higher education — with the help of the NAACP and the intercession of the federal government, James Meredith became the first Black student to be accepted to the University of Mississippi. He graduated in 1964.

Black Entertainment Television (BET) was launched and is still commercially viable because of the overwhelming lack of diversity in “mainstream” media. “Mainstream” media can be more accurately called white media. For example, there are practically no Black people featured in The New Yorker magazine, and no major Black characters on mega-hit television shows like “Friends” or “Seinfeld,” which were set in New York City (the city’s population is 26 percent Black).

A few years ago, a major retailer sponsored an entire issue of The New Yorker and ran New Yorker-style cartoons as ads. One of the ads was a subway scene – with ALL white people (if you are familiar with New York, you will know that this is laughably impossible). This wasn’t an isolated mistake — around the same time, the parent company of The New Yorker mounted a sequence of billboards on a building in Manhattan. The theme was how people enjoy reading magazines. However, out of more than one dozen images, there was only one non-white person – an Asian woman looking at a magazine (with a white person on the cover). Now you know why there are magazines like Black Enterprise and JET.

Please don’t think this is isolated to one retailer or one publishing company. Exclusion of people of color is a consistent theme in media and the ad agency industry. For example, I recently visited another major New York media company, to discuss “diversity.” At the time, they had 35 corporate vice presidents — one white woman and 34 white men (all non-Latino). Representation like this takes real effort to accomplish in New York — a city whose population is 65 percent Black, Latino and Asian.

And so on.

The article was well researched and thorough. But, sigh. How many times are we going to rehash this shit? How many times does BET have to come up, without people realizing what that one channel out of hundreds is not close to parity. Or having to reconstruct the People’s History of the United States in order to explain why black people have designated organizations to advocate for their interests? It’s that racial fatigue setting in again, I suppose.

At any rate, I am glad there are people willing to thoughtfully engage with the same questions over and over and over again.

Someone has to do it.

I’m just glad it isn’t me.

(Thanks to Elton, Vaughn, and Luke for sending this in!)

Share and Enjoy:
  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • StumbleUpon
  • del.icio.us
  • Google Bookmarks
  • NewsVine
  • Current
  • email
  • Print

Trackbacks & Pings

  1. Cultural Benefits & Knowing Where You Come From « Immigration, Assimilation, Ethnicity and All That Jazz on 30 Jun 2008 at 7:53 am

    [...] by chinesecanuck on June 30, 2008 A posting from Racialicious today comes from a white woman who, like many white people, wonder why black people can….  The answer (besides the whole power structure thing)?  White people (and many non-whites) are [...]

  2. Open Thread: Why Are We Here? at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture on 01 Jul 2008 at 9:26 am

    [...] deleted a comment this morning, from the Diversity Inc thread, in which a racist basically showed their support for the woman’s original [...]

Comments

  1. Jas wrote:

    I remember back when I joined a black discussion forum on facebook. It’s pretty popular and in the first year was basically flooded by racist and ignorant white HS and college students always saying the exact same thing and asking the exact same question.

    It got to the point where I had a saved response I just busted out for them everytime they came talking about “WET”, not owning a slave or whites being slaves, how certain people need to get over it, and blah blah blah.

    It basically just all comes down to white privilege. Living in your own little world oblivious to the lives of others who’s color can cause so much damage. And when they’re called out on it they come up with weak reasoning like not having White Entertainment Television to explain why “reverse racism” is just as serious and damaging as racism. If these people weren’t serious it would be laughable.

    It’s not only frustrating how many whites think like that but how they refuse to attempt to think outside of the box at all. I’ve never seen anyone act as arrogantly when discussing racism (while being ignorant regarding most of what they’re talking about), as I have when listening to whites talk about racism.

    I mean it’s seriously like a guy walking around arrogantly declaring what’s sexist and what isn’t when there are very few times his penis has held him back in life. Yet he’s an expert somehow. Because of….that’s right. Privilege. Something whites will deny up and down exists anymore and if they do acknowledge it, they’re quick to point out that THEY have nothing to do with it or how colorblind they are. And they’ll be the first ones moving out once the neighborhood starts getting too “brown” for their taste. They’ll talk about sexism occasionally and if discussions on race make whites too uncomfortable then they’ll start wanting to talk about or just shift the blame to classism. As if racism magically disappeared one day or only one can exist at a time.

    This is one of the reasons I don’t talk to whites about racism anymore. Because 4 times out of 5 I hear the same crap that was in that letter and the other 1 out of 5 are people nodding their heads to whatever I say in some condescending attempt at placating the “angry black man.”

    And people jump all over me when I tell them I’m not a patriot: /

  2. Renee wrote:

    These questions are going to be asked over and over again until people start to own their privilege, and in fact until this is done the writer of this e-mail will not be able to properly contextualize the response.

  3. StuffBlackPeopleLike wrote:

    If you have never walked in another mans shoes it’s difficult to totally understand what they feel like!

  4. Celeste wrote:

    I had a similarly stupid conversation with a white male on a flight. I should have saved my breath, how tiresome. The thing is, you know from the outset that you probably aren’t going to get through to this person but I had to try. He made his living by going around the country and helping companies weasel out of OSHA trouble. OSHA trouble often took the form of non-english speaking workers being killed in a work accident because whatever safety instruction that was availiable was not in their language. I tried to point out the obvious that if you’re going to profit from someone’s labor you should take the trouble to get your safety info translated so that your employess can go home at the end of the day, but all that fell on deaf ears.

  5. Torontonian wrote:

    It got to the point where I had a saved response I just busted out for them everytime they came talking about “WET”, not owning a slave or whites being slaves, how certain people need to get over it, and blah blah blah.

    Hmm… that gives me an idea. These types of ‘arguments’ are so consistent that it’s possible to create a computer program to respond to them. I love it when I use a program or a script to do repetitive work for me.

  6. Torontonian wrote:

    Is there some kind of FAQ page for clueless white people? If not, we should make one.

    Idea: Racialicious can install a wiki (Wikipedia is a type of wiki) that only registered users can edit, and we can create a database of frequently-asked questions. Next time somebody on the Internet brings up the same thing, we can just link to the page with a detailed explanation.

    Wikipedia uses MediaWiki.

  7. Paul wrote:

    The Horatio Alger vision of white Americans is a big cause of this issue. Many whites see America as a place where anyone can succeed, provided they work hard and have spunk.

    So, when certain white people hit their ceiling in society (middle class for many), there must be some outside force that keeps their hard-working, plucky white ass out of the corner office. It can’t be that they aren’t bright enough or good enough, it must be that black guy who got affirmative actioned into the sweet gig.

  8. Glossolalia Black wrote:

    Few racist notions scare me more than the individuality-killing mechanism inherent in the adulation of the “melting pot”.

  9. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    I think sometimes white people cannot handle feeling excluded or that something is not for them or about them. White priviledge means that they have to own and have access to everything…..

  10. zoe wrote:

    the first thing that came to my mind is
    uh, bet IS wet. owned and programmed by white folk, happily consumed by white folk, positing black people in the same ridiculous degrading roles that have been around in this country for a LONG time.

    i feel like these “i’m afraid to talk about race because the scary black people will just jump at me and i don’t even see color” arguments have been around for a LONG time also.

    i was watching this documentary yesterday and a black guy and white guy were talking about race.
    white guy: “look, you don’t know what it’s like to be a white man, either! it can be hard! it’s not all roses on the big rock mountaintop!”

    nuff said.

  11. macon d wrote:

    Yes, it’s hard, repetitive work all right, and not work that POC should even have to do. It’s great to see white anti-racists like Luke Visconti step up and do some of the heavy lifitng.

  12. zoe wrote:

    o yeah and the white dude was a tourist in africa.

    ahem.

  13. Paul wrote:

    Zoe,
    Look at BET’s demos and you’ll see that it is consumed mostly by younger, black people. Also, Hudlin and Lee sure seem like black folks to me.

  14. lxy wrote:

    Regarding why you often hear the same rationales and denials about racial issues from some White people, I think the problem is primarily *ideological*–and not ignorance.

    You can explain these issues to some people until you are blue in the face, but you can tell it never registers. As Jas suggested above, this problem ultimately has to do with White priviledge (and power).

    Many people–both White and even non-Whites–implicitly or explicitly believe in the ideology of White privilege, which is normalized as Color Blindness, the Melting Pot, etc.

    As such, they have a vested interest in dismissing any perspective that questions America’s racial caste system.

    In short, it’s not because people don’t understand what you are talking about. It’s because they don’t *want* to understand.

  15. zoe wrote:

    @paul
    viacom owns bet & that company is who these people answer to
    & just because someone is black does not mean that they promote a network with a sincere commitment to the wellbeing/mental stimulation of black people

  16. uRB4N wrote:

    I think the best way for people to understand if it’s directed towards them in the same way.

    Case in point, someone was complaining that in the two Harold and Kumar movies, all the white males were some type of repulsive stereotype while the “good” guys were all minorities.

    I responded with “why is it always about race with you people?”

  17. Jas wrote:

    @Toronto

    And ya Ironically we did make a F.A.Q. for white people on the forum that pretty much addressed the same stupid questions they’d continuously ask. And I’m not saying they’re stupid because they were questions, I’m saying they were stupid questions because the people who asked them did not have any intent to learn or approach the discussion with an open mind.

    More often it was “Well if we had WET we’d be called racist. So what do you think about THAT black people huh? You got burned.”

    I’m not one of those individuals who likes to argue and always has to be right but it’s been quite a number of years since I’ve talked about racism with white people and felt I didn’t have the upper hand on subject knowledge of the discussion. Despite that fact and all the whites I’ve talked to I only think I’ve seen two who actually stopped and said “Ok, I admit I didn’t know all of this before and maybe I should have before I ran my mouth. Let me read up on some of this thanks.”

    @Ixy

    I agree with you. I think it’s a mixture of ignorance and ideological. I remember Tim Wise said one thing blacks should know about most white people is that most white people do not want to end racism. I don’t think he meant intentionally but subconsciously I do believe that many if not most whites truly feel that way.

    I think there’s more to it than simple ignorance. How can the majority of certain racial group know about and acknowledge racism with history, statistics, biographies, and a myriad of evidence to back up those claims, while one group constantly denies there is a racism problem when they’re not even on the receiving end of it?

    Arrogance + Racial privilege = denial of racism with no consequences from racism.

  18. macon d wrote:

    Ha! That’s awesone, uRB4N, I gotta remember that one, thanks.

    It’s like somebody said in another thread, maybe right here at Raciailicious–when a white character on that old show “All in the Family” asked a black guy who just got a job, “Do you feel bad that you got that job because you’re black?” And instead of answering, the black character said, “Do you ever feel bad when you get a job because you’re white?”

  19. Crogirl wrote:

    What’s lacking is EDUCATION. Most whites have no idea of the history of those organizations, or even black history in the US in general. All that’s seen is that “black people get all of February to flaunt”. As someone mentioned in another post, history in school doesn’t cover this to any significant length. It’s just briefly touched upon. It’s just the tip of the iceberg, but I definitely think it needs to start with education.

    It’s crazy, though. I know a few people who if they’re talking about someone black (and in the most innocent of contexts, just stating that the person was black as in, “not the white guy, but the black guy over there”) they whisper the word “black” as if it’s a curse word. It’s bizarre to me.

    People need to stop with this ‘us against them’ attitude to race relations. We all belong in the ‘us’ category.

  20. gatamala wrote:

    These types of ‘arguments’ are so consistent that it’s possible to create a computer program to respond to them. I love it when I use a program or a script to do repetitive work for me.

    bwahahahahahahha!!!

    I’m at the point where I won’t even discuss race unless folks have a certain level of understanding.

    lxy, I think (know) that not everyone wants to give up privilege or power. Most don’t. They just want to hang on to the Horatio Alger lie that Paul brought up.

  21. Jennifer Gandin Le wrote:

    @Torontonian

    Your computer program/script idea is brilliant. That would make a great online art project. If only there were a streamlining tool one could use IRL…

    @Latoya

    Thanks for the link to Visconti’s column! I knew about his org. but didn’t know he had a Q&A.

  22. atlasien wrote:

    I’m surprised she didn’t mention the movie “White Chicks”. “Black people are allowed to use whiteface but white people aren’t allowed to use blackface and IT’S JUST NOT FAIR DAMMIT!”

  23. pauly cy wrote:

    the questions keep coming up because there are answers that *you* believe are true but are *not* convincing based on the facts as presented. Also, “parity” implies 50/50 white/black in a population that is multicultural and multi colored. Parity cannot *ever* be achieved in the way you wish. So, your answers are ignored and the questions remain. Fix these things and we’re all better off.

  24. Jake wrote:

    I used to moderate a Rage Against the Machine messageboard, and I was astounded at the semi-regular topic posted by white teens: “it’s not fair that black people can use the n-word and white people can’t! That’s discrimination! That’s racist!”

    Yes, if white kids can’t use offensive racial slurs, then that’s reverse racism.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think that my attempts to educate them were very successful either.

  25. Persia wrote:

    White priviledge means that they have to own and have access to everything…..

    You got it. I love that in a world with Lifetime, Logo, Spike and The Golf Channel, people have the balls to complain about BET. It’s called niche marketing, and somehow it’s okay to target women or bass fishers or videogame players but somehow putting on a channel aimed at black people is a bridge too far.

  26. Kaonashi wrote:

    I think sometimes white people cannot handle feeling excluded or that something is not for them or about them. White priviledge means that they have to own and have access to everything…..

    I think you hit it right on the head.

  27. Myles wrote:

    Hey, G4 is for videogame players and we have the same right to have our narrow world view fed as much as anyone else ;)

    Also, does anyone hear much about Univision when people are complaining about racism? I have really noticed it, but then again, most of the arguments about race I’m around are black v. white.

  28. gatamala wrote:

    the questions keep coming up because there are answers that *you* believe are true but are *not* convincing based on the facts as presented. Also, “parity” implies 50/50 white/black in a population that is multicultural and multi colored. Parity cannot *ever* be achieved in the way you wish. So, your answers are ignored and the questions remain. Fix these things and we’re all better off.

    Torontonian…how’s your script coming? I think we already need an update.

  29. Roxie wrote:

    I am extremely reluctant to talk to white people about race, b/c as soon as the topic of privilege comes up it’s like BRICK WALL and how they “disagree” with it–like it’s a choice.

    It’s amazing and tiring. Please, let’s have a White Privilege 101~! I pointed someone over to McIntosh’s famous list and they were like “but all of those aren’t true!” and “this hasn’t happened to me”

    I’m tired even talking about talking about how tired I am of talking about it!

  30. Kirk Van Irvin wrote:

    @ uRB4N :

    I avoided Harold and Kumar; It just seemed like a stupid movie, period. But I’m gonna have to check it out now! :)

  31. Persia wrote:

    My husband and I started watching H&K Go to White Castle last night and will finish it tonight. It was pretty damn funny, at least so far.

    Myles, I watch G4 all the time. ;-)

  32. DivergentDana wrote:

    “Yes, if white kids can’t use offensive racial slurs, then that’s reverse racism.”

    But they can! Just like black people, they are totally “allowed” to use offensive racial slurs in reference to their own racial group if they wish… not so alluring when converted into an accurately analogous scenario. *shrugs*

    “the questions keep coming up because there are answers that *you* believe are true but are *not* convincing based on the facts as presented.”

    Answers like what? And you must concede that a lot of the questions are indeed part of a “gotcha” game, where people use definitions of “racist/racism” that they don’t personally adhere to or believe in to discredit the targeted group, while failing to apply these definitions to their own group’s behavior/actions in anything but the most superficial manner.

    And another thing… a lot of the people who believe in the “melting pot” either want the melting to happen far, far away from them or have a limited, idealized understanding of what it truly entails. I remember talking to a dude that wondered “why don’t blacks just assimilate”, yet he took pride in the fact that his town was overwhelmingly white and confessed that the sight of BM/WF IRs was particularly distressing to him. I had to explain to him that assimilation is, in part moving into his neighborhood and marrying into his group. *headdesk* It also always seemed odd to me that while model minorities are often used as a template for how blacks should behave, the fact that they also have these things — specialized networks, pageants, associations and the like, is never mentioned, ever.

  33. Joseph wrote:

    @Torontonian
    “I love it when I use a program or a script to do repetitive work for me.”

    Are you familiar with Adrian Piper? She is an amazing US American conceptual/performance artist and one of her most famous works involved handing out “calling cards” to white people who made racist remarks in front of her. The cards read:

    Dear Friend,
    I am black.
    I am sure you did not realize this when you made/laughed at/agreed with that racist remark. In the past, I have attempted to alert white people to my racial identity in advance. Unfortunately, this invariably causes them to react to me as pushy, manipulative, or socially in appropriate. Therefore, my policy is to assume that white people do not make these remarks, even when they believe that there are no black people present, and to distribute this card when they do.
    I regret any discomfort my presence is causing you, just as I am sure you regret the discomfort your racism is causing me.
    Sincerely yours,
    Adrian Margaret Smith Piper.

    Piper is a genius and you can read more about her work here:
    http://www.adrianpiper.com/

    (Make sure to click on the “*@#%!!CENSORED:
    Letters to the Editor ” section. Her “Please don’t call me a…” letter is fucking brilliant.)

  34. NancyP wrote:

    Surely there’s a Race and Privilege 101 website FAQ out there? BTW, Peggy McIntosh’s Questionnaire is, by her own admission, outdated, but that doesn’t stop anyone from updating it a bit (I’d check with P.M. first, and call it X’s update of P.M.’s list).

    About whites not knowing any history behind black experience and black-white interactions in US history – in part this is due to not wanting to know uncomfortable facts, in part due to lousy teaching and/or books, in part due to the general disdain for history and other egghead pursuits that don’t result in immediate financial gain.

    The Sunday WashPost had an article about white voters in Findlay, Ohio (highly white and possibly a sundown town until the 80s.). One guy was true blue democrat, but was wavering between the Obama ads stating that BO was Christian, and his neighbors’ radio and internet-derived rumors that BO was Muslim.

    What do I see here? An unwillingness to put any effort into finding out for himself. A desire to go along with his buddies the rumor mongers. The fact that blacks are not part of daily non-work life, and are exotica, thus, the unwillingness or inability to use BS detector on rumors. BTW, the main subject is 74 and would have gotten his high school history in late ’40s-early ’50s.

  35. SarahMC wrote:

    I’m a white girl and I’m sick and tired of hearing other white people disengenuously ask about “WET,” “White History Month,” “NAAWP,” etc.

    Here is a great cartoon re: “reverse racism” – http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/06/13/a-concise-history-of-black-white-relations-in-the-usa-2/

    And The Angry Black Woman has a very comprehensive post about privilege – http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/things-you-need-to-understand-4/

  36. Slush wrote:

    @Joseph
    I was not familiar with Adrian Piper – what a cool woman! And especially that letter you referred to. That was awesome. Thanks!

  37. gatamala wrote:

    NancyP, I saw that article.

    and folks like him wonder why folks on the coasts think they are idiots.

  38. Janine deManda wrote:

    pauly cy wrote: “So, your answers are ignored and the questions remain. Fix these things and we’re all better off.”

    lemme get this straight – if we can’t make non-anti-racist white folks’ idea of utopia materialize magically before them, then it’s completely understandable that they ignore us and spout shit about us? and exactly when did it become our sole responsibility to “fix these things”? why doesn’t everyone share that responsibility?

  39. macon d wrote:

    Nancy P, I actually did update McIntosh’s list a bit, by recounting such examples from a day in my own life. Although I didn’t ask her permission, I did give her full credit:

    “rarely count their racial blessings”

  40. Fiqah wrote:

    * “[B]lacks that keep bringing up how their ancestors were slaves need to look a little more into history books. Blacks were not the only ones who were slaves, all races have had slaves, and even whites. ”

    [*Head explodes*]

  41. Jas wrote:

    “I think sometimes white people cannot handle feeling excluded or that something is not for them or about them. White priviledge means that they have to own and have access to everything…..”

    A bit off topic but has anyone had any negative experiences from whites for dating another minority group?? ie: I’m black and my last gf was Asian but the biggest flack we caught was from whites which I didn’t quite understand since our relationship didn’t have anything to do with them. We got it from white men and women but mostly from men.

  42. marge twain wrote:

    BTW, there is a scary organization calling themselves the NAAWP. Of course every other channel could be called WET and White Hisory Month happens 11 months out of the year. Those minority organizations don’t need slavery or anything in the past to justify their continued existence. The racism today that promotes whites over minorities is enough.

    I try not to even engage with white people who insist on the supremacy of their ignorance but it can’t always be helped, even in work situations where they should know it’s just bad manners. On the other hand I also don’t like to let racist speech pass without comment. Jas is right that they all have those “gotcha!” rhetorical arguments which, if they wanted to listen, are easily knocked down.

  43. Torontonian wrote:

    I don’t think a wiki is useful anymore, but I’m still thinking about creating a web macro.

  44. marge twain wrote:

    I love how the woman lets us know that we’re free to leave her country whenever we want.

    And for someone urging the rest of us to “Get over the color!” she seems awefully interested in holding forth on race herself.

  45. Black Canseco wrote:

    Diversity, Inc. is kinda suspect. I had my fill of them a couple years ago–it’s just business and cultural intellects talking to each other and not the masses.

  46. Mickey wrote:

    Well I’ve never been a slave, but I sure as hell have had to live with the legacy of it.

    *Giving the letter writer my best “Bish, please” look*

    I’ve always believed some White people don’t like being left out of anything. Like by virtue of their Whiteness, they get/have to know everything that’s going on.

  47. Mickey wrote:

    Oh, and I hate the argument that I can just go back to my own “country”.

    I was born HERE. This IS my country.

  48. KadiBaby wrote:

    Torontonian, I think that website would be a great idea!! It could be titled something like: “Common Misconceptions About Racism”. But hopefully you have some brilliant Anti-Hackers because an intelligent and honest site like that would be a prime target.

  49. Bobby wrote:

    I find reverse racism disingenuous. How can correctives for systematic discrimination possibly harm whites? In the 1960s when legal segregation in restaurants was challenged, some whites claimed desegregation would violate their civil rights (see movie: “Ain’t Scared of Your Jails”). A business owner, the rationale went, has the right to decide whom to serve. Of course, the rationale ignored the system-wide exclusion of blacks from lunch counters and the obvious message of inferiority segregation symbolized.

    The charge of reverse racism is fatally flawed in that it ignores the social context of discrimination in favor of individual rights. What individual whites can or cannot do in relation to racial minorities is not paramount. Race should be used to ask deeper questions; race should not be used to end discussions.

  50. Black Canseco wrote:

    Reverse Racism… that means there’s a forward racism or a proper and acceptable racism. then again maybe reverse racism is just equality and love for all, not despite but because of skin and ethnicity…

  51. Pheagan wrote:

    I know a lot of people have pointed out that privelege has everything to do with this woman’s attitude. I’m white and anti-racist, and I try to do more listening than talking on issues of race. But one thing that is absolutely amazing is the capacity for privileged blindness. I am realizing just how blind I’ve been able to be in life. I was film major (the class where we have to sit through Birth of a Nation is fun– you have to understand, it was the time they were in, they weren’t responsible for their attitudes, everyone was racist back then), and particularly in media I have known intellectually that white people are overrepresented, blacks underrepresented, Asians and Native Americans hardly ever. But it’s taken two years of living in Asia and being surrounded by nonwhite people for me to actually feel it in my gut. I was reading Special Topics in Calamity Physics, and the elitist tone was annoying in general, but it was just… so white. I felt it this time, maybe because the characters were so gross. Or, way better example, Rudy Rucker’s Ware series, which makes overt comparisons between robots and black people (there’s a scene modeled on a scene from Uncle Ton’s Cabin), yet has nary a black character. And I keep up on all the movies coming out and what I see is actually starting to make me feel sick. Like Wanted, for instance. You know in the comic it was based on Angelina Jolie’s character was black? I can’t even bring myself to read reviews of that movie, I have this major hatred of it right now. But just to say, there’s a difference between knowing intellectually that media representation is fucked, and feeling it.

  52. Rachel wrote:

    What is ironic is that BET is a poor representation Blackness, what with all the mysogyny and commodification. And yes I too am tired of having to defend Black organizations to ignorant whites (as a white woman.) Realizing your white privilege is difficult but neccessary process. The fact of the matter is that this racist bullshit is reinforced in schools through a ten minute curriculum of the civil rights movements- we are made to believe that problems of African Americans are “there” problems…or that they have “already been fixed…right?”

  53. Whitney wrote:

    One thing that I personally hate is when people bitch about Black History Month. Or how they complain about universities that have a Women’s Studies major, along with other majors like African American studies, Native American studies, etc, etc (or merely classes offered in those areas). I respond that every day is White Man history day, that 99% of the books we read in English classes were written by white men, and that history was written by white men, a majority of politicians past and present were all white men, etc.

    I have to assert though, that some white people are disgusted of the notion of “white privilege” and don’t like the fact that things still aren’t equal, and think that it’s bullshit. I think that it’s a bit unfair to place all of the blame of racial misunderstanding upon whites. I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding on all sides. There are a LOT of ignorant white people, but that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones who are ignorant, or that all whites are. I am really sick though of the ignorant whites who ruin it for the rest of us. Unfortunately they’re so outspoken like the woman who wrote the letter, it is difficult to ignore them or separate them from others.

    @Roxie– “I am extremely reluctant to talk to white people about race, b/c as soon as the topic of privilege comes up it’s like BRICK WALL and how they “disagree” with it–like it’s a choice.”

    I can see why you would be reluctant, but I think I need to make something clear, for me, I know white privilege is wrong, but what can I do about it? All I can do is say that it’s wrong and that I wish I could change it. I can’t change how the world is. I want to change it, but what can I honestly do? What can anyone do besides educate people, and hope and pray that people will begin to change and see how they really think?

    I think the answer to the letter was spot-on. Unfortunately, baby steps are still being taken. Granted, we are a whole lot further than we were 50 years ago, but there are many industries that are still overwhelmingly white, like the movie industry, and the fashion industry, etc. There are still people who think like the writer of the letter, there is still an unthinkable amount of injustice in our justice department.

    These things being said, I think that websites like this one is a step in the right direction, and is slowly chipping away at the amount of racism still prevalent in this country. How to slowly chip away at white privilege? I don’t know.

  54. Cebolla wrote:

    Interesting. Obviously we have racism here in the UK too, but race does seem to be much more of an issue in the States, and considering your history that is probably unsurprising.
    We get a lot of your TV shows and movies over here and race is mentioned all the time, from stand-up comedy to blockbusters. The idea of difference/separation is constantly reinforced. This pigeon-holing of everyone in their own little compartments (african-american, asian-american, italian-american etc) may be counter-productive. From birth, someone already has a category to which they belong and, subconsciously, the stereotype of that category.
    Crogirl wrote:”It’s crazy, though. I know a few people who if they’re talking about someone black (and in the most innocent of contexts, just stating that the person was black as in, “not the white guy, but the black guy over there”) they whisper the word “black” as if it’s a curse word. It’s bizarre to me.”
    It stems from a good motive. A spanish friend of mine did something similar recently ; we were talking about people we found attractive in the office and she was talking about the ‘guy that sits near Susanna’ ‘who Dave?’ ‘no the guy with the short hair’ ‘who Alberto?’ ‘no that new guy’ etc etc. I asked her why she didn’t just say ‘the black guy’ but she thought it would be somehow racist. It’s an understandable over-sensitivity. Have some sympathy.

  55. MrMoe wrote:

    I’m a black male. Currently I’m taking classes on ethnicity and diversity in the US. One of our discussion questions asked “How do you think slavery has impacted the evolution of American society?” When I responded by giving examples of institutional racism many of the white classmates immediately called me “angry” and “paranoid.” Most of the white classmates replies were either one of two points of view: institutional racism doesn’t exist, or, racism is not a big deal any more. I understand they don’t want to offend anyone, but denying the truth is one the main reasons we can’t seem to get past the problem of racism. Some of my classmates actually seem to believe that blacks should be happy our ancestors were slaves because it led to us being “blessed” to be born as American citizens!!! WTF!!!

  56. marge twain wrote:

    @Mickey:
    “I was born HERE. This IS my country.”

    Word. And the letter writer is complaining about something in American culture? Noone’s stopping her from going home to Europe.

  57. Roxie wrote:

    @Whitney–”I can see why you would be reluctant, but I think I need to make something clear, for me, I know white privilege is wrong, but what can I do about it? All I can do is say that it’s wrong and that I wish I could change it. I can’t change how the world is. I want to change it, but what can I honestly do? What can anyone do besides educate people, and hope and pray that people will begin to change and see how they really think?”
    Rid yourself or dilute your privilege at every moment you can.

  58. sunny wrote:

    America is based on race, it exists because of racism. Black, Mexicans and most coloured people are still considered foreigners. After 9-11 anyone with brown skin who wasnt Latino was an instant terrorist. Yet many of the middle eastern people I met were white. The funny thing is that people often talk about how tolerant America is to all races. I disagree places like the UK or Canada have many racists but the overall societies are not as racist as America. I think it has alot to do with its history and most importantly the lack of education and travel. America may take a step forward by Obama becoming president. However after the last 8 tradgic years who knows.

  59. sunny wrote:

    Americans really should take a step outside of their country and see how others live. The amount of ignorance and racism in America is staggering. From Jasper Texas to Hurricaine Katrina race and racism are very much alive. As a south asian of Indian descent I cant believe that East Indians still live there. The level of hate after 9-11 and racism against brown people is almost criminal. Racism has been very much a part of the the history. If you look at the amount of black in jail or probation in America its truly frightening. The lack of black politicians or even CEOs. It is truly safe to say America is still a white christian country and getting more fundamentalist. Obama maybe its only chance to save face and help its awful world image after Bush and 2 wars.

  60. Bob Simpson wrote:

    One of the oft overlooked longterm effects of American slavery is how it has dumbed down white people. The whole evolution of white privilege clouded the thinking of white people in ways that are downright dangerous.

    I used to teach in a school that was racially mixed to a degree that is unusual in this country. It was
    also drew from urban working class neighborhoods where daily life could be quite difficult. It was about 60% latin, 20% black and 20% white. Many of the latin and white kids were immigrants or children of immigrants.

    We were able to have some pretty amazing class discussions, individual writing assignments and collaborations on group projects. I think all of the students benefited from these intense and sometimes loud interactions. It was not painless. Some of the interactions were verbally pretty rough and there were hurt feelings.

    But from what I understand, pain evolved so we would pay attention, so maybe that wasn’t such a bad thing. Hopefully everyone got smarter as a result. I still wonder if that was true.

    Upon reflection, I also wonder if perhaps the white students benefited the most, by having some of that clouded vision removed.

    I know that political disasters like the Reagan and Bush years never would have happened if there hadn’t been so many white people whose judgment had been impaired by the legacy of white supremacy that grew out of slavery times.

    How do we clue in the clueless? It seems that young white people today aren’t as dumb as they were when I was growing up. But the smartening up of white people is moving much too slowly for my liking.

  61. Gorgeous Black Women wrote:

    WOW.

    Well, I’m glad someone had the patience to explain things to her though I’m sure she still doesn’t get it. I love the bit about not being able to form all-white groups. While this may technically be true, there are many such groups and social circles in which only non-Hispanic white heterosexual men are allowed. The difference between the good ol’ boys at the country club and these “all-black” groups are that the latter often go for inclusion. There are non-blacks (including whites) at HBCUs, black Greek societies, black student groups, on BET, etc. This isn’t just for blacks. Hispanic, Indian, Middle-Eastern and East Asian student groups at my university had students of all backgrounds involved. Our not-so-secret societies on the other hand were for heterosexual WASP men though I do think one did have a couple of women in it by the time I graduated.

    How NYC-based Sex & the City, Friends and Seinfeld had fewer people of color than Colorado-based Dynasty from 20+ years prior is absurd.

  62. Jen wrote:

    The “why can’t we have white pride?” thing drives me up the wall! 1) Most of mainstream media, corporations, and politics are white dominated 2) You don’t have to. You’re not being discriminated against due to the color of your skin on a daily basis. 3) what is “white? It’s too amorphous of a category. Sure, black can be too, but many blacks who have been here for years don’t know their heritage, having lost track of ancestral lines through slavery. The ones who do know do have more specific pride festivities (my roomie in college had a big Nigerian Pride festival one year). White people do and can have pride festivals – they’re just more specific, like Irish Pride or Italian Heritage Festivals.

  63. DivergentDana wrote:

    “Rid yourself or dilute your privilege at every moment you can.”

    But how is that done, especially since, like instutional racism and more subtle forms of social racism, it isn’t always apparent at first glance or when the opportunity to rid or dilute reveals itself… how does someone tell the difference between white privilege, majority privilege, or just a “lucky break”?

    “There are non-blacks (including whites) at HBCUs, black Greek societies, black student groups, on BET, etc. This isn’t just for blacks. Hispanic, Indian, Middle-Eastern and East Asian student groups at my university had students of all backgrounds involved.”

    This gets in my craw. All the folks who mention these things have to do is a littly research.. but reality wouldn’t be particularly useful for their argument. Case in point: Elizabeth Hasslebeck and her erroneous belief that whites were prohibited from attending Trinity United. Not only is there an ignorance about the inclusiveness of traditionally black institutions, there’s also profound ignorance about the existence and perpetuation of traditionally white ones, as well. As folks have mentioned, there is a NAAWP, started by the one and thankfully only David Duke, who just happens to be a racist. Additionally, there are organizations dedicated to white ethnic groups that are generally acknowledged as innocuous — Irish, Greek, Russian, Italian, Scottish, etc. These groups have pageants and scholarships, as well. But there’s an urge among these folks for “white” groups… possibly because so many white Americans are mixed-ethnicity and either don’t particularly identify with one group over another, or were imbued with pieces of each with a big helping of “generic” mainstream American culture. However, organization along ethnic lines is the default position, and if you look around the world, the desired one. Black Americans identify and organize themselves by race instead of ethnicity because — with the exception of black people that voluntarily immigrated from the Caribbean, Latin America and Africa — they have no choice. Like the ODR, a reappropriated aspect of a suboordinate position in society, due to historical amnesia, gets reinterpreted as an enviable trump card that black people cooked up at our annual meetings.

  64. Dorian wrote:

    Most of the white classmates replies were either one of two points of view: institutional racism doesn’t exist, or, racism is not a big deal any more.

    Oh man. It’s bad enough that that nonsense is spewed in public discourse, but in a classroom? Ugh, I fear for the future.

  65. Cameron wrote:

    A huge reason why it is possible for so many white people to live in this bubble of privilege and ignorance is because of the persistence of de facto racial segregation in North America’s cities and suburbs.

    Even in metro areas with significant POC populations, it is very very easy to find both municipally distinct suburbs and neighbourhoods that are technically part of a larger city government that are 90%+ white and schools that are equally segregated.

    In Toronto, which prides itself on having the largest percentage of foreign-born residents of any city (it displaced Miami several years ago) at approximately 40% (and a “visible minority” population of about 50%, which includes POC born in Canada), white people are happy to talk about the amount of diversity in the city, but far fewer of them have experienced it than the numbers would suggest.

    We need to be cautious about how we interpret statistics about race and place, such as 26% of NYC population being black. This figure is useful to some extent, but is much less honest to real life experience than statistics by neighbourhood or smaller geographic units which would tell the truth about why white people have so few interactions with blacks that they don’t know how to talk about race and are terrified by it – there are probably very few areas with a 26% black population at opposite ends, with a 60% black population and a 5% black population.

    Voluntary neighbourhood segregation isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but we should recognize that the fact that significant numbers of white people are capable of living their entire lives without ever making the contacts that would open their eyes to how full of $h1t their ideas about “reverse discrimination” are is not being helped by it. It’s especially problematic that schools are so racially polarized – this is where anti-racist ideas could be getting a huge boost and where instead all we get is superficial talk about diversity.

  66. Emmeaki wrote:

    I hate it when white people say that racism and slavery happened in the past. Past, my ass! I was born in 1974 and it was only 10 years before my birth that segregation was outlawed.

    Loving v. Virginia Supreme Court outlawing a ban on interracial marriage only happened in 1967, seven years before I was born.

    My mother was a sharecropper in the South, which to me, was one step above being a slave because the picked cotton for a white land owner with little profit.

    The point is that racism isn’t just ancient history, it happened in our lifetime. (If not us personally, our parents and grandparents.)

    My friend had a cross burned on her lawn when she moved into an all white neighborhood in Ohio– in the ’90s!

    I’ll “get over color” when I can can interview for a job and not have to worry about not being hired because I’m black. Or when I can shop in a store and not be suspected of being a thief.

    It still baffles me that some white people can so oblivious to history and the challenges that non-white people face everyday.

  67. patrick wrote:

    Interesting, being a dark black man not born in America, embracing the American way as a child via TV ie; John Wayne, Charlton Heston movies. I have grown to be a man that has been on his gaurd ever since assimulating in to the American culture. the pain I feel being black in America leaves me with a sense of liability to the American society. I don’t feel America wants me here!!! America has always looked at people that have a skin hue like mine as less than and not worthy of. Many times I feel restricted as a man because of my color. Do white men? DO white women? I’ll just stay low and speak quietly and respond yes sir and no mame. If i speak out or raise my voice in oppostion, I”m a trouble maker or radical….
    By the wa,y I have two degrees, former professional football player, married with children.
    It’s not what a person has or what he/she possibly can achive, i believe it’s more about self worth to humanity in spite of color , race, nation of origan or gendar. “The content of my character” not my color……..