Vogue Asks “Is Fashion Racist?”

by Guest Contributor Brigitte, originally published at Make Fetch Happen

“Are we still talking about this in 2008?” asks Iman in an irate voice kicking off the “Is Fashion Racist?” article in the July issue of Vogue. I’ve certainly pondered that question myself over the past few years and I am sure that many other fashion enthusiasts have as well.

Really, why is it that an industry such as this one known for embracing a variety of outlandish personalities and ideas is so blind when it comes to putting new faces in its clothes, on its runways or in its magazines? For example, I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen designer Philip Lim glorified on the pages of fashion tomes but I struggle to remember when I last saw and Asian model featured in a multi-page editorial. In spite of the fact that Pat McGrath, Andre Leon Talley, photographer Mark Baptist and designers like Tracey Reese are influential enough to sit at the proverbial table, that diversity hasn’t tricked down to model employment office. This seems to suggest that people of other races are welcome to provide the glitz for a shoot but must never be the one to wear the accessories.

I think about this topic often and it’s become the main focus of my blog because it wasn’t like this when I was growing up and first became enamored with fashion. I still remember the day my English teacher brought in a stack of old ELLE magazines to give away and I got my first taste of it. I spent hours pouring over those images back then. It was superficial and I knew but I didn’t care. It still meant something to me. Seeing the Beverly Peele on the cover of Seventeen when I was in high school back then made me feel good. It made me feel included in that fabulous something even though my bi-level two toned jheri curl was decidedly not happening. Side note: I still haven’t forgiven my mother for making get a jheri curl. I honestly think of it as child abuse.

My fashion jones followed me to college where I always had the latest pictures of Naomi Campbell tacked to my mirror for fierce make up inspiration. But then it seemed, things started to reverse themselves. Instead of marching forward and including larger cross section of ethnicities, fashion started marching backwards. The change was slow but deliberate. Black models became less visible as lighter skinned, more racially ambiguous Brazilian beauties hit the scene. They started dropping off too, save Gisele, in favor of Eastern European models, each new batch even more nondescript than the previous seasons.

Nowadays, when I talk about how it used to be I feel like an old woman rocking on my porch talking about the good ole’ days when they let us colored folk take pretty pictures.

In the article the author, Vicki Woods, writes that “[Vogue] magazine exists to inspire women,” but I wonder is she’s actually been looking at the same magazine that I have. Except for the odd issue that gets is right, most of what I see in Vogue is far from inspiring. While I will admit to coveting certain pricey items but I don’t think I’ve looked at a model in Vogue and wanted to trade places with her since the Summer’s Bare Necessities shoot and that was in 1992.

I agree with Woods where she suggests that one simply cannot compare the supermodels of the 90’s who “looked equal but different as they thundered down the runway” to the unhappy mass of similarly styled European models “who look pretty much alike.” Even Sarah Doukes of Storm Models remarked “It’s a naughty thing to say, because I’ve got some beautiful Eastern European girls, but to be honest, when I go in cars with them in Paris, I do get snow blinded.”

Bethann Hardison
was so angered by the situation that she emailed Iman writing “Did you realize that over the last decade black models have been reduced to a category?” The two called a series of town-hall style meeting titled “Out of Fashion: The Absence of Color” held at the New York Public Library. Countless models told stories about being rejected for jobs, not because their particular “look” or walk was a problem, but solely based on the fact that they were black. Liya Kebede shared that she has had “experience with people who did not want to work with me because I was black..really, truly.” In any other industry, that would be a racist remark, and you would be taken to court for it!” After those meetings the wheels started to turn and the issue garnered more attention.

Models, especially the ones lucky enough to be earning a living as models, are reluctant to name names. So when Jourdan Dunn famously asked, “why are our catwalks so white?” it made international fashion news. Except that she didn’t actually say it, professional celebrity offspring Kelly Osbourne did. Jourdan shares “She was at the Topshop show, and she said it to a journalist, who ran out and did a telephone interview with me. She said, ‘Do you agree?’ And I said, ‘Yes, it’s true.”

Even as models of the moment like Jourdan Dunn, Chanel Iman, and blazing Dominican newcomer Arlenis Sosa, are making inroads, they still face opposition but from where? This is where the article falls short, unable to point the finger at anyone in particular. Certainly not at Anna Wintour, who isn’t even mentioned in the piece and presumably prefers to let her covers do the talking. Wintour doesn’t even bother to mention the article in her editorial.

So back to the blame game… Is it the photographers? No, according to Mario Testino. He says that photographers just “react to the supply.” Is it the designers then? Some of whom seem to think black bodies are all wrong for the clothes. Alber Elbaz of Lanvin says no no, not him. “I try all different dresses and when I see only the face of the girl-and the dress disappears-I know it’s the best dress for her.” Huh? He goes on to say that he was “trained” to use black models. “I loved them from the time I worked at [YSL]; he always used black models.” Because I’m thinking something is lost in translation there so I’m not going to go on too much about why someone has to be trained to see black people as a viable option. It’s getting a little too Haley Joel Osment in here for my taste.

Well, that leaves the casting agents (the gays are spared the finger pointing in this article.) Russell Marsh, who does casting for Prada and is very influential in the industry isn’t asked why there was a ten-year gap in between Naomi’s last walk for the design house and Jordan Dunn’s. He’s asked why he chose her. His unsatisfying answer pays lip service to her elegance and confidence being right for that particular show and then goes on to talk about how important it is that the clothes are not overshadowed as they were during the age of the supermodels.

Seriously, people talk about the AGE OF THE SUPERMODELS like it’s prehistoric or something. Last time I look around, most of those big names were still making money and to the best of my knowledge no one has successfully performed carbon dating on Naomi Campbell. Iman rightfully called bullsh*t on that saying, “You don’t want to look like these [current] models, you don’t want to emulate them.” Models exist to be muses and to make women want to buy the overpriced clothes they wear.

James Scully, who casts for Tom Ford blames celebrity culture. “When it’s tough for models, it’s really tough for black models.” While it is true that it’s rare to find a model and not an actress on a fashion magazine cover these days, Hollywood has its own problems when it comes to diversity.

Anyway, it seems the bottom line is that dour faced robotic beauties are in and models with unique looks and personalities are out. My question is that if designers really believe that their clothes are best represented on blank canvas models. Why is the canvas always white? Why not runway shows populated by say, Asian models of similar builds, styled the exact same way or black models grouped together for the similarity in their features? They are certainly not above exploiting a model’s race to grab attention. How can a group of professionals famed for thinking outside the box be so narrowly focused at the same time?

So where does that leave someone like me? While I am pleased to see models like Arlenis getting a break my enthusiasm for these things has dampened considerably. Often I will read comments from people who are puzzled as to why people like me bother getting upset about these things in the first place. “Why should I care about that white magazine and whether or not they put black people in it?” is a common refrain. I admit that there are some days that I feel the same way. Especially nowadays when I’m more informed and entertained by fashion blogs than I am by print magazines.

On the flip side, another part of me still longs for a time when I can pick up a magazine on the stands, read about fashion and see an array of images representing all types of beauty not just black or white. I don’t feel that any kind of change like this will occur if people stop complaining and give up. These old habits die hard. So while I am still hotly anticipating getting my hands on a copy of Italian Vogue, I still reserve the right to complain about it once I’ve seen it for myself. I can’t help it. I’m old and cranky and I’m a decade away from yelling at kids to get off my lawn. At the very least, I know there are people who feel the same way that I do and I know how comforting it is to read bitching online that could have come from ones own mouth. So this is for the two dozen of you who read this site and feel like I do. Cranky is the new black.

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Comments

  1. Abu Sinan wrote:

    As a white man who finds women of colour from all races and nationalities very attractive, I wish the magazines would have more diversity.

    It isnt even about black and white. We live in an open global environment now, we should be seeing women that cover the spectrum from across the world.

  2. Tarah wrote:

    What did you pour over the Elle magazines? LOL

  3. RCHOUDH wrote:

    Great post! In response to the post’s question, I have always heard that the reason why there is not much diversity allowed in fashion (and Hollywood) is because of customer reaction. Since the majority of customers of these high end fashion magazines are white upper to middle class women in the West, then they would want to see models physically representative of themselves, meaning they should be predominantly white. I think I also read somewhere once that magazines featuring nonwhite models on their covers often sold less during their run than covers featuring white models. So that could explain why we are now reduced to seeing nonwhite models as only token representations of diversity. Also I read somewhere else that ever since certain fashion magazines (Vogue) have started tapping into the vast Asian market, now there is even less demand for dark skinned models, at least for issues made exclusively for Asian markets.

  4. Tablesaw wrote:

    “To the best of my knowledge no one has successfully performed carbon dating on Naomi Campbell.”

    Really? I’m sure that there must have been *someone* who gave her diamonds while they were going out.

  5. cacy forgenie wrote:

    I read a couple paragraphs of this post and had to stop because I was certain nothing new would be offered in the discourse. Not saying the writer’s point of view wasn’t/isn’t valid; just saying how much longer are we gonna talk about it.

    It feels like this conversation has been going on forever-ever-ever-ever. Great; Vogue posits a question to itself. Awesome. Thats just pandering. There’s no real self examination about its tactics vis-a-vis the Lebron James & Bundchen cover & the absence of black women and/or persons of color. “Is fashion racist?” is just a veneer of a query.

    Italian Vogue publishes an issue with an all black cast. Awesomer. Thats just a sham. Italian Vogue, a while back, published an image of a black woman model in the role of a maid in of its issues. The woman was the sole representation of a person of color in that issue.

    . Meanwhile, Italy is experiencing crazy xenophobia and racism, deportations of immigrants of color; and the destruction of Roma Gypsy camps. It’s moronic and sad that Italian Vogue editor Sozanni would admit in a press release how color conscious and aware she is, that VI knows what’s up. So what you publish one issue with all black models. Big Fucking Deal. Talk to me your next issue and the issue after that and after that and after that. Talk about your own country’s race problem, not mine.

    Further, fashion is a fantasy. People of color rarely figure in the consciousness of white fantasy creators and fantasy creations if at all. I believe that these folks are incapable of imagining a future or a fantasty where people who are not white exist side by side with whites. So, if you are incapable of imagining me or people who look like me, Vogue, Hollywood, why should I take your retarded rhetorical question seriously? Why should I care?

  6. Tasha wrote:

    It still irks me when they show giselle as some faux WOC representative. She’s not a WOC.

  7. cosmisistren wrote:

    I remember back in the late 80’s and early ninety’s that this very question was addressed. From the what I’ve read you are given the impression that fashion magazines were full of people of color. I am only 36 yrs old and I never got that impression.

    I remember my mother would get mad at me for buying Elle, Vogue, Mademoiselle, etc because there were hardly any people of color in them.

    I find it really hypocritical that Vogue addresses this issue but does nothing to try and change it.

  8. cm wrote:

    wow, so many things! First, that Italian Vogue issue reeks of tokenism to the extreme. They take the legitimate concern of black models’ small dwindling numbers in fashion mags and counter it with an all-black issue, so they get themselves off the hook and if they ever get asked about the lack of poc in their mag they can point to that issue and say, “see what we did! We’re not racist!”. The all-black issue of Italian Vogue will also feature black-interest articles as well. And let’s not even go into the fact that yes, althoug IV is the most “avant guarde” and fashion forward of the big international vogue editions, it was the magazine from the country with a small black population that did the all-black issue. Not American Vogue, not Paris Vogue, not British Vogue. But Italian Vogue. Just food for thought there.

    Second, there are many successful Asian models who are regularly featured in fashion magazines. Just not American Vogue, coz they’re racist, it’s true! Du Juan from China, American model Hye Park, Ai Tominaga and Anne Watanabe from Japan, Han Hye Jin from S. Korea are but a handful of very successful models that have appeared in a lot of American fashion mags, Du Juan even was on that fabled new models cover of US Vogue a while back, just in the inside fold, with Chanel Iman and Agyness Deyn. I am not saying this to counter your claim that there are not enough people of color in fashion, which is very true, just bringing up some names that came to me and that I regularly see even in not-so-high-fashion mags like Allure and Marie Claire.

    Also, did you guys know that Toccara from ANTM is going to be on that IV issue? LMAO!!!

  9. Joseph wrote:

    @ Brigitte
    “It made me feel included in that fabulous something even though my bi-level two toned jheri curl was decidedly not happening. Side note: I still haven’t forgiven my mother for making get a jheri curl. I honestly think of it as child abuse.”

    Bwah-haha!

    I must have been sitting behind you in high school. I was the guy wearing acid-washed corniche jeans, a “Coca-Cola” ruby shirt, and rocking tinted aviator frames. I looked AWESOME.

    Know what? I still miss them jeans…

  10. Katie wrote:

    I think fashion is racist, but at a deeper level than the simple lack of POC representation on catwalks and in magazines.

    When POCs are shown they are usually lighter-skinned, or if dark-skinned are often shown against a stark white background or dressed in garish colors. Also, most POC in fashion have faces with features that most resemble idealized white features.

    I am not sure how much I deem “progress” to be more of the above.

  11. easywriter wrote:

    It also has a lot to do with our perceptions of beauty, which go back to –well, read it here. Fashion at the level of haute couture has nothing …nothing to do with real life. It is a fantasy that has an unfortunate effect of trickling down and making impressions –lifelong ones to the mainstream. I think of equal concern is how clothing isn’t made in larger sizes, hence, the WALMARTS and the Targets being the unwitting equalizer of sorts for men’s and women’s clothes, available in many sizes.

  12. Erica M. wrote:

    @ Cacy:

    “Meanwhile, Italy is experiencing crazy xenophobia and racism, deportations of immigrants of color; and the destruction of Roma Gypsy camps”

    These immigrants are illegal. They should be deported. It’s not just immigrants of color; they are deporting an influx of Eastern Europeans as well (mostly Polish). Although the Eastern Europeans are less conspicuous than the other illegal immigrants (because they’re white), they are just as unwanted as the North Africans, Roma, and South Asians.

    Deporting illegal immigrants shouldn’t be looked at as xenophobia. It should be looked at as enforcing the law.

  13. Minotaar wrote:

    I think part of the problem in the fashion industry is a general malaise in innovation. Not only are designers unable to create clothes for people of non-white races, but they are also unable to create clothes for people of different body types. And I am not referring to fat people, specifically. People who are short require different sorts of designs than people who are tall. People who are muscular require different sorts of fashions to those who are less muscular. The fashion industry is far more like the movie industry than it is like the open source movement.

  14. cacy forgenie wrote:

    @ Erica M:

    Really? Explain the vigilantes who attacked Gypsies in Naples in May. And explain The Northern League, a political sessionist group in the North, who sided with Berlusconi and distributed a poster with a “Native American” man in headress, proclaiming that Italians will be extinct like them if immigration isn’t curbed.

  15. Mickey wrote:

    My subscription to Vogue runs out in August.

    Sister Wintour won’t see another dime of my hard earned money.

    I started subscribing to Essence; while they can get a bit preachy at times, at least I know there will be women in the magazine that “look” like me.

    @ Katie

    You brought up some really great points. It may sound funny, but when I see a Black models in prepppy clothes, I get happy.

    Just for the simple fact that there are no animals in the background and/or she is not in ‘ethnic’ prints.

    Yay for Black Preppies!

  16. Chanita wrote:

    I love fashion but it sucks. The high priced labels really do only target white, rich people. My boyfriend works in a high end fashion boutique in SoHo, and all their mannequins are faceless and bone thin- not really representing an accurate portrayal of what the majority of women look like. I commented on my observation to the manager, and I mentioned to him that the mannequins in my neighborhood (a more urban area: The Bronx) were shaplier and resembled real womens bodies. I also told him that I’d noticed them popping up all over Manhattan. I asked him why they didn’t use these more popular mannequins that I’d been seeing more of, and he scoffed and looked at me with a genuine look of surprise and said, “What kind of women do you think we cater to in here honey?”

  17. sylvie wrote:

    i don’t deny the emphasis on one type of beauty (read: white) in the fashion industry, but i also wonder about the economic aspects of it which I think RCHOUDH alluded to above.

    if women of color are not considered a strong buying audience (as in losing that audience would lose a lot of money), then magazines and advertisers don’t really give a rat’s ass. it’s odd how it works: you put a woman of color on the cover of a magazine and fewer white women pick up the issue. you put a white woman on the cover and women of color still buy it.

    i subscribe to “allure” even though i could probably subscribe to an asian american women’s magazine like “audrey.” while they have the kind of models I want to see, they don’t have the fashion/beauty content as the established magazines. it sucks.

  18. Nate' wrote:

    @cacy forgenie: I agree, Italian Vogue’s attempt of dealing with racism reeks of tokenism and no real change.

    I hope the Black models in the issue aren’t appeased by Italian Vogue’s lame attempt and continue the fight for their place in the modelling world.

  19. Erica M. wrote:

    @ Cacy:

    The Northern League doesn’t have that large of a following. It’s comparable to the BNP. It’s unlikely that they will ever gain power.

    The vigilantes that attacked the Gypsy camps were reacting to the murder of an Italian mother of three by an illegal Roma immigrant. Now, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is never the right way to solve problems, but you can see why these vigilantes were upset.

    Anyway, I thought we were talking about illegal immigration? Which all of the Italian political parties are against. It’s just unsafe to have undocumented people crossing the borders illegally.

    If you don’t enforce the law, then there is no point to having the law in the first place. If you are an illegal immigrant, you should be deported, regardless of color.

  20. meownette wrote:

    The fashion industry is obviously racist, and yes, we should continue to talk about it. That said, I wish we could do that without resorting to making disparaging comments about other women’s appearances, as in “nondescript”, “robotic”, and “dour.” I kind of feel like it should be enough to ask where all the models of color are and to demand that we get more without adding that most current models are disposable, unlikeable, and not all that pretty in the first place. A minor quibble, I know.

  21. cacy forgenie wrote:

    @Erica M

    I was talking about xenophobia; you were talking about immigration.

    I spent a very short time in Italy in the late 1980’s as a teenager. In fact, I attempted to study Italian in high school here in NY. I read and write Italian poorly but I believe I have a grasp on what is happening there based on conversations and reports I have read. I also have experience as a two year contributor to a Milan based lifestyle and street art magazine during the late 1990’s to early 2000. Now I know practically every Italian outside of Milan hates Milan but don’t discount my experience and observations about it.

    I think Romans are easily acclimated to newly arrived immigrants given the ease of which both groups move and work around each other and the way some civic groups try to include and introduce Italians to newly arrived immigrants. But! I also think that as a society, media wise, with a immigrant population of around 12%, legal and illegal, does not represent non-born Italians well. Italians, from my perspective, which is myopic given that I am reading reports through third parties, are only interested in Italians. Until illegals are blamed for rise in crime. Until illegals are doing the jobs Italians do not want to do. I’ll give Italy props for swearing in a massive amount of immigrants awhile back, but xenophobia is still there…

    Look at the French. How long ago were they marvelling, ooing and awing at one of their first non white tv broadcasters, a person from Martinique? About a year ago? Two?

    Samir Shah, a BBC board member, made an excellent point about race and representation in media a few days ago. He described it as cloning, where executives in power only hire people who look like them. I think this analysis can be applied across the board in fashion andat certain societies at large.

    I’ll go a step farther and disclose that I once dated a powerful booker at a powerful new york based fashion agency. This man ran the women’s board andAsk him and he’ll tell you you are crazy if you bring up race and racism in fashion. personally, he’s never had to deal with issues obvious ethnics and “minorities” deal with because of the currency of his skin… So even if you have people of color who are pulling certain strings behind the scenes, theres no guarantee that they are seeing anything unusual or wrong in their practices… sorry for the rave… hope I made some sort of sense…

  22. iman wrote:

    As much as I agree that the fashion industry needs to incorporate more models of color in spreads/shows/etc I have my reservations when the models’ race is so spectrally used as in the Italian Vogue July issue, or in the Dsquared Spring/Summer 2009 show - where nearly all the models were black men. In cases like these, I start to wonder if having black models is merely a performance, especially when the models are clearly being presented in a fashion that capitalizes on and manufactures “black culture” - as in the Dsquared runway where the models were decked in “shining gold chains” and were compared to “an army of rappers” in a news report I read. What do yall think?
    You can find pics from the runway here:
    http://www.vogue.co.uk/fashion/show.aspx/full-length-photos/id,6412

    and the article I was referring to here:
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hP6d3BuhwqPt_9WmofI0AIHd-CBQ

  23. iman wrote:

    hmm, i meant ostentatiously not spectrally.. although now I am thinking if the slip means even more, are the forced all-black spreads just phantoms? haha, long day.

  24. bdsista wrote:

    maybe if WOC contacted the advertisers of Vogue and cced it to Anna Wintour, saying they will boycott their products, and putting it on youtube, myspace, etc. the bad press might work, or maybe an email campaign. When Tom Joyner puts out an email on the radio, folks call in, jam lines and fill email boxes and corporations listen. Maybe its time for some civil action, eh?

  25. jed wrote:

    bdsista: Do WOC buy enough products from Vogue advertisers to make a significant difference? For instance, I could never boycott McDonalds because I haven’t eaten at one since I was 16.

  26. NancyP wrote:

    Roma / gypsies are considered “other race” in essentially all of Europe, and are targets of violence whether or not some Rom is accused or convicted of a crime. The typical Rom illegal immigrant (as opposed to gray market there-and-back border crosser) is likely to be from an Eastern European location where Roma are subject to violence as well as the usual government and social hostility, and segregated rotten public education.

  27. easy-writer wrote:

    In cases like these, I start to wonder if having black models is merely a performance,

    Not so much a performance, but take it as a sign they realize something and are trying to make amends. Funny thing, when you go to the runway shows, you look at the audience and see people from all cultures. What I’d like to see is neither all white or all black runway show, but a balanced show where the models reflecting the diversity that’s already sitting there in the audience.

    Race is just one issue. There’s size, age –the gamut.

  28. Ejunco wrote:

    I remember some anonymous writer/editor for a fashion lifestyle magazine told that women of color i think specifically blackwomen
    bring down ratings so yes there is racism in the fashion industry

  29. Vanessa wrote:

    This story is getting old.

    1. The majority of people who subscribe to Vogue magazine is Wealthy White women. So, of course, they would have more whites than blacks.
    2. The majority of people who buy High Fashion on a regular basis are whites…sad but true. So, of course, designers will pick models that represent them.
    3. People crying about Italians being racists…look at how the South Africans are treating people from Zimbabwe and Nigeria. Illegal immigration brings the worse out of people.
    4.What are you guys talking about light skinned vs. Dark skinned. In most white magazines the models are usually dark skinned. If you look at magazines geared to blacks (especially the men’s magazine) most of the girls are light skinned and they have facial features similar to whites. Hell, most of the top black model’s for the past 20 years have been from Africa…very few American born or raised and some black Europeans.
    5. Personally, I think Blacks should be more worried about how the women who make it in the entertainment industry are biracial/light-skinned and how these women have an over-representation in black music videos, magazines, music, and movies.
    6. We have more serious problems than how many black models are in the latest magazine.
    7. Give them credit for at least trying….it’s not like they have to in the first step and it will take time.

  30. Le wrote:

    For anyone interested, I posted a blog recently on the overwhelming presence of Caucasian models in Asian ads. I was born in China and visit about every two or three years. I don’t notice it as a major phenomenon there, but according to links I found, this is a huge problem in India.
    http://covergirlsthedocumentary.blogspot.com/2008/06/white-models-in-asia.html

  31. Squidfly wrote:

    Erica M. wrote:
    These immigrants are illegal. They should be deported. It’s not just immigrants of color; they are deporting an influx of Eastern Europeans as well (mostly Polish). Deporting illegal immigrants shouldn’t be looked at as xenophobia. It should be looked at as enforcing the law.
    Firsst of all the Majority of Roma are Naturalized Italian citizens.

    The Camorra threw Molotov cocktails into the Roma camp, because a woman claimed that one of the Roma had stolen her baby; more part of old boogey stories rooted in ancient myth. Remember that the Nazis started with the Roma(Gypsies) first. There has not been a rise in crime in Rome, it’s the rise in fascism once again. The Northern League are strong as the Mayor of Rome Gianni Alemanno, is a member of the “post-Fascist” Alleanza Nazionale.
    The BNP formerly the National Front, formerly Oswald Mosely’s Black shirted Union Party are Neo Nazi’s, let’s be honest here.
    Erica M. wrote:
    Although the Eastern Europeans are less conspicuous than the other illegal immigrants (because they’re white), they are just as unwanted
    as the North Africans, Roma, and South Asians.

    Another note; the majority of illegal immigrants in the NYC Metro area are Italian.

  32. Erica M. wrote:

    @ Cacy:

    I do agree that Italy is pretty xenophobic. It’s just that in your first post, you made it seem like that deporting illegal immigrants was a form of xenophobia, and I was just arguing that the law enforcement carrying
    out these deportations were doing just that: enforcing the law.

    I too spent a short amount in Italy a couple months ago. One thing that I noticed was that the only black people I saw, were those annoyingly persistent street vendors selling fake designer bags and stolen cell phones, and these people were so obviously illegal.

    Then I thought, these illegal black immigrants are the only black people that most Italians see in real life. Even our tour guide Maria said to us: “Please do not buy from the illegal immigrants, you are only encouraging them. It makes the native Italians upset because the illegal immigrants make all of their money off tourists, and that’s why they stay here.”

    So maybe that’s one reason as to why Italy is so xenophobic.

  33. drispe wrote:

    “In most white magazines the models are usually dark skinned.”
    Run that by me again? LOL.
    As the first comment states, this is a problem because we’ve ignored globalization. It’s largely a European ideal that controls the fashion industry. The cut of a dress or a suit must meet the standards of whites. People who don’t put on saris or head wraps aren’t likely to represent the people of color who do. But in a world that’s connected more than ever before, that crap doesn’t work anymore. The designers have to create a product that can’t be homogenized. Carolina Hererra, Anna Sui nor Tracy Reese are known for infusing their work with a sense of their ethnic origins.

  34. london wrote:

    i just pray that in 10 years time we will not be discussing this anymore…
    i fear, however it will not be the case…
    of all the industries that discriminate, fashion has to be the worst….
    for a start.. only a miniscule minority of women can be successful models.. any other walk of life they would be looked at as freaks… my mother didn’t want me to grow past 5ft 8ins.. she said it would diminish my chances of getting on in the world and being black i have enough to deal with… luckily i stopped at 5ft 7 1/2.. bless you mummy..
    the modelling industry is based on discrimination on a basic height/weight ratio level from the get go..
    kate moss is an anomaly remember..
    there are other issues which are i think more pressing such as high street stores using child labour whether known or unbeknownst to them in the manufacture of their clothing… these are mainly children of colour living in much less affluent conditions than we…
    we are navel gazing in comparison…

  35. Lauren wrote:

    I think that when we discuss race in fashion, we need to keep in mind what fashion modeling is meant to accomplish. The most successful fashion photography is both exoticized and, on some level, familiar– and, most importantly, it surprises us.

    Generally speaking, white fashion photography is already comfortable, so they can focus on pushing the artistic envelope. With black models, it frequently feels like the photographer (or artistic director, or whatever) is focused on making us comfortable– hence the entirely predictable exoticization, complete with animal prints.

    What these people forget is that the most important part of fashion is surprise. To see a milky-skinned blonde in polos or those stupid plaid shorts is boring. To see a black girl in leopard-print is yawn-worthy. But put that same black girl in country-club clothing, and we see that tennis racket in a whole new light.

  36. Squidfly wrote:

    Erica M. wrote:
    I too spent a short amount in Italy a couple months ago. One thing that I noticed was that the only black people I saw, were those annoyingly persistent street vendors selling fake designer bags and stolen cell phones, and these people were so obviously illegal.

    Then I thought, these illegal black immigrants are the only black people that most Italians see in real life. Even our tour guide Maria said to us: “Please do not buy from the illegal immigrants, you are only encouraging them. It makes the native Italians upset because the illegal immigrants make all of their money off tourists, and that’s why they stay here.”

    So maybe that’s one reason as to why Italy is so xenophobic.

    Your comments are loaded with a kind of subliminal
    racism that I find disturbing. There were many African American Soldiers in Italy during WWII. African American athlete’s have been moving back and forth for years, as have African American tourists. By your reasoning every Italian we come across in the States must be “Connected”
    Xenophobia is a tool of the Right.

  37. A. wrote:

    @ Vanessa

    1. Vogue is international, dear. So, as a result, do you think that they would also INCORPORATE models of color as well. The majority of people who buy these magazines may be white women, but that doesn’t mean that they’re the ONLY ones who read them. Fashion is something that people of all races enjoy. It’s not something that only white women are entitled to.

    2. Designers aren’t really picking models on people representing them. It’s a bit messed up when you have Designers of color who continue to use exclusively white models for their shows. Designers ultimately pick models either because there is an image that they want to project or they merely want their product seen.

    3. Don’t obfuscate. Italy was brought up precisely because they have a track record of racial intolerance - and not just because of illegal immigration. If you actually read what the person who brought up the issues regarding Italy was saying, you would learn quickly that she was talking about xenophobia AND racism. Immigration was part of the focus, but not so much so. But thanks for playing that game.

    4. Light skinned is commonly more accepted for models others as an acceptable image of black beauty as opposed to darker models. I can think of Alek Wek as a recent black supermodel who is extremely dark, and Iman isn’t extremely dark, but she is up there. Naomi Campbell is lighter than I am. That strays more in the focus of entertainment than modeling issues, though you should try reading some of the other topics posted regarding the lack of PoC in fashion.

    5. Personally, you shouldn’t make assumptions about WHAT blacks should be interested in if you obviously don’t know where the people on this site are coming from, as demonstrated by your response. The reason that biracial beauty is prized over a monorace black woman is precisely because of the racist notion that white is right, and lighter is better.

    6. Again. Stop obfuscating. We’re worried about these problems, but you, my dear, came onto a site about racial images in the media, and you tell US that we should worry about more important things? I sense someone who hates to have to hear that their dear fashion industry is racist as hell and that people are angry about it.

    7. Sure. Some are giving them credit. But why is there a regression in PoC fashion models, when a decade or so ago, there were considerably more PoC models of all races in magazines like Vogue and on runways?

    Really, you need to read this before you come back in here and try to have a conversation about race when you can’t even see the faults of racism in any industry. You’ve pretty much broken rules 4 and 6. Explain why anyone should take you seriously here?
    http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/607897.html

  38. Erica M. wrote:

    Subliminal ” racism” to you is honesty to me. I was talking about black AFRICANS not black Americans. Italians seem to be very fond of Canadians and Americans.

    My comments are based on my observations. I don’t really like to tiptoe around topics, trying to not offend anyone. I realize that what I write might not be viewed as PC. Political correctness is good, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous and starts to resemble censorship. So, in conclusion, I know that I’m not the most PC person, but I definitely wouldn’t label myself as a racist (or even a subliminal racist). :)

  39. michelle wrote:

    god I no longer look to fashion to dictate what reality is and quite frankly can’t comprehend why it is taken so seriously. when I see an editorial with a nice model, fantastic clothes, poses, great contrast in lighting and cinematography, I appreciate it for what it is. I don’t shun it if the model doesn’t have the same tone as my skin, does that make her really like me no because the high fashion industry caters mostly to the rich. what if casting agencies went back to hiring more ethnic models for jobs all wouldn’t be well in fashion. because if they solve this colour issue there will be complaints about the weight of the models and how overly decadent the images in fashion are. I just don’t take it seriously, or personally cuz if that were the case I would hardly glance at fashion again.

  40. Michelle wrote:

    The reason why this is so important is not because fashion is important in and of itself, but more so it is hugely important from and anthropological standpoint. Fashion magazines, movies, music all represent the cultural mores of our times. They inform us of who and what is important. Yes, we live in an age where we can reject those notions on an individual level, but when it comes to studying our culture, one would have to come to the conclusion that Black (American/African/European) women don’t exist and/or they are not as important as their White counterparts. Fashion represents who we as a society want to be and who we present as the ideal of our society. Fashion models are the paragon of beauty. Again, on and individual level one can disagree, but one can’t escape that high fashion also trickles down into good old television ads and billboards. Most importantly, it helps to only reinforce the notions of White female beauty. Those notions can be extremely, incredibly destructive for young Black women of ALL walks of life. That is why it is important.

  41. DivergentDana wrote:

    “4.What are you guys talking about light skinned vs. Dark skinned. In most white magazines the models are usually dark skinned.”

    Percentage
    Black-oriented Magazines White-oriented Magazines

    Fair 17.69 38.1
    Medium 62.59 33.33
    Dark 19.73 28.57
    Straight 57.82 38.1
    Wavy 10.88 14.29
    Curly 26.53 23.81
    Braided 2.04 9.52
    Thin 25.85 47.62
    Curvy 47.62 47.62
    Full-figured 11.56 0
    Athletic 4.08 0

    Studies show that the black women in white magazines are both more often light and also more often dark.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_1-2_52/ai_n13651290/pg_17?tag=artBody;col1

    Jed- “Do WOC buy enough products from Vogue advertisers to make a significant difference? For instance, I could never boycott McDonalds because I haven’t eaten at one since I was 16.”

    Well, black women form a representative level (about 15%) of Vogue’s readership, so if a lot of them decided to drop the mag, there would be concerns. There’s also different levels of designer consumption. I doubt that we’re buying many Galliano gowns. But Louis Vuitton purses? Additionally, I’d guess that the vast majority of women of any race that purchase Vogue don’t and can’t purchase from their advertisers, but the few that can and do make it worth their while.

    “The designers have to create a product that can’t be homogenized. Carolina Hererra, Anna Sui nor Tracy Reese are known for infusing their work with a sense of their ethnic origins.”

    Naeem Khan is a designer who incorporates his origins into his work — with exquisite results, I might add. Part of the issue is that the international market prefers this type of homogeny. There are designers that don’t engage in it, many of whom also don’t sell well internationally, because Western-style clothing carries connotations of wealth and modernity that for many, clothes that would be considered “ethnic” in a way that isn’t funneled through and funded by the eye of Europe would lack that cache. If homogeny is discarded, you have to ask questions like “Will Tokyo socialites buy mudcloth-print dresses?”

  42. Betty Chambers wrote:

    I’m always confused by this topic: why am I supposed to care? I would like the “problem” to be too many black lawyers, doctors, governors of US states - stuff that really affects people’s lives.

    Fashion magazines and the industry are money making organizations, if it paid to include WOC, I’m certain that they would (not). However, since they are NOT hurting by not including us begging for a piece of their pie doesn’t help.

    How about just setting up alternatives? Do we not have black fashion designers anymore? Would a magazine with diverse fashion models make money? Competition makes the world go ’round.

  43. A. wrote:

    Okay, Betty, the same thing I told Vanessa also applies to you.

    You, yourself, don’t have to care. But if you don’t, then why post a comment? It’s counterproductive.

    Yes. Black fashion designers exist. Unfortunately, magazines like Vogue, again, are magazines that end up defining trends. It would be harmful to have a trend where only whiteness is embraced as the standard of beauty, when other races do exist.

  44. Michelle wrote:

    Betty,

    Believe me, it matters. It matters when an entire segment of the population is excluded from the discourse of beauty and high culture.

  45. dave wrote:

    instead of lambasting italian vogue for tossing out a token black issue, i think it should be lauded for broaching the subject (that a lot of people talk about on the interwebs but hadn’t really made it to print) and then monitored to see if it changes its tune following this issue.

    just saying. there’s only so much pessimistic nay-saying will get you.

  46. interested wrote:

    sylvie I think you are totally right. I love your opinion. It’s so very true about if you but a black women on the cover of a magazine and fewer white women buy the issue and etc. I love the way you think.

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