Are We Too Intense?

by Guest Contributor Wendi Muse

While having dinner with a work mate of mine last night, I ended up discussing acceptance of whites into communities of color and vice versa in addition to interracial relationships. My friend, who is white, noted that I often “didn’t give people enough credit,” and made me to come to the ultimate conclusion that I have a rather pessimistic view of race relations in America, and quite frankly, within the world as a whole. As a black woman, I look around me and am constantly reminded that the group to which I belong is rarely seen as beautiful (unless enhanced by synthetic means of infinitely approaching whiteness), or intelligent, or responsible, or equal. But our discussion made me reflect on the source of my expectations for others.

Was I being harsh because of my personal experiences in which racism worked as a key element in rejection or could it be that people really had changed and I had not given them the chance to demonstrate?

Though the duration of the conversation was about 5 minutes, during most of which I fumbled for words, unable to fully explain my position on race relations in the United States and why I felt that blacks had decades, if not centuries, to go before we were going to be socially accepted or on equal par with others, I still thought long and hard about it hours later. I write this article now with the hope of working through some of the things my friend brought up.

While she was certainly a realist and did not think that America was all daisies for people of color, she noted that people are probably more accepting and less racist than I would assume. And considering she is white, she certainly may have heard some things from, say, other whites, that would be considered racist if they had really come up. But then I wondered, did she have this hope in the humanity and open mindedness of others because she had experienced less of their ugliness firsthand? Could it be, even, that they held their tongues unless somehow provoked by some event or an issue on the news, and she just so happened to not be there at that time to hear it?

The more and more I thought about her assertions, the more I realized that she was right. I wasn’t giving people enough credit. I was suffering from racism paranoia of sorts. A form of self-fulfilling prophecy, if you will, in which I assumed that others were racist, and so I didn’t approach them, befriend them, become close to them, or share as much of myself with them as my friends of color, or even more specifically, my black friends, because I feared the worst. I feared one day they would say something racist or betray my friendship or do something to make me say, “see I told you,’ and regret having befriended them in the first place. And eventually, as my close friend circles became darker and darker in hue or colored by some sort of adversity (i.e. class or sexuality), I recognized that I had placed straight, white, middle class folks somewhere on the perimeter, fulfilling my own expectation in the first place, if not allowing it. They only befriend or date white people, I found myself thinking, failing to realize that it was partially my own doing by removing myself from their presence or by assuming they would not be interested in me in any way except to treat me as some sort of token to write home about. My black friend. My black girlfriend. My believing that everyone was racist until proven otherwise was limiting me. It was making me become guarded. It was my way of protecting myself from rejection that wasn’t a given, but that I had experienced enough in the past to make me not want to taste its bitterness ever again.

I was recently reminded of the surprise element of racism between friends. A friend (ahem, ok, former) had posted a facebook status that read something like “gearing up for Memfrica.” For my non-Tennessean readers, “Memfrica” is a term some whites use to refer to Memphis. “Why?” you may ask. Memphis just so happens to have a very large black population (Memphis is 61% black/African-American, according to the 2000 census). Clever, huh? I decided to play dumb and asked my “friend” why she referred to my hometown by such a moniker. I wrote one her facebook wall the following message:

“Er…why do you call Memphis ‘Memfrica’?”

Innocent enough, right? My message was later deleted from her wall and I received the following message in my facebook mailbox:

“I am sorry if that offends you. It’s what we call it around here. You have your beliefs and I have mine. There are stereotypes for reasons, and Memphis = not the safest of cities esp. for single white females.

We’ll leave it at that.”

Interestingly enough, I never mentioned anything about being offended. Nor did I mention anything about my personal beliefs on Memphis or even Africa, for that matter. By golly, what could she mean by beliefs? And even on top of all of that, what the hell does a stupid racist nickname have to do with personal safety of whites in Memphis or Africa? I wanted her to just come out and say “I call it that because it’s full of n*ggers.” Instead she danced around the issue and couldn’t just tell me the truth. Why? Because I am black and she is white. It’s what clearly divided us, and it was a reminder of what unfortunately always will.

So bearing this in mind, I have to say, sometimes I still have this mini-intensity, this paranoia, this propensity for overanalyzing, this fear that someone who is my friend or my coworker or my partner, if different from me, may be thinking things he or she will never say until something somehow slips. I am hoping to eventually grow out of it or at least develop an ability to ignore the side of myself that makes me think of all these things. Maybe I will one day gain the maturity that older people of color have that allows them to filter out all the extra noise in their brains that makes them recall racism, so that they can just function without breaking down. But for now, it’s an intensity I am cursed with and that I am dealing with one day at a time.

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Comments

  1. j wrote:

    Thanks for this great post. It reflects what many of us struggle with. Just recently I came to similar conclusions and have (I think…I hope) been able to have a greater degree of neutrality to whites that I don’t know. I think it’s really important to give people the benefit of the doubt, but then to also call them out on their sh*t when they go wrong. One of the worst aspects of racism is how it can psychologically erode us when we carry around internalized racist learning. You can let go of that internalized ‘paranoia’ (I’m not really sure it’s paranoia exactly), which would allow you to function more freely yet still be aware of and fight against the injustices in the world. It’s a lifelong process.

  2. Sumayyah wrote:

    Excellent article! I, too, often find myself being a victim of preconceived notions and “paranoia.” Maybe it is time for all of us to be a bit more open-minded.

  3. Slush wrote:

    Great post Wendi.

    When I was living in Indonesia after college, I was just about the only white woman in a reasonably large city, for which I got endless, endless unwanted attention.

    I was also reading bell hooks’ Black Looks at the time, and I remember thinking that on the one hand, I deeply appreciated her insights and her incredible ability to articulate really complicated ideas about race and representation and otherness. On the other hand, it seemed to me that she was incapable of being in a situation and not engaging in deep and often divisive analysis of the race/gender dynamics. Every experience was kind of a racial disaster.

    Which is not to say I thought she was wrong about what she perceived, far from it. I think she was mostly absolutely right. But that kind of constant awareness and analysis made me, personally, kind of uptight and unhappy. I couldn’t interact casually with any Indonesians without being angry and suspicious that I was just a spectacle to them, because I had white skin, a prize to win the attention of in front of others. I trusted no one because I felt so objectified, even though I think they meant it to be flattering.

    So I came to a conclusion maybe a little bit like yours, which is that you can be right and unhappy/neurotic, or you can be tuned out and more at peace. And alternating each week/month/year might be an okay balance.

  4. Jas wrote:

    I have to admit I’m extremely pessimistic when it comes to racism, race relations, multi-cultural societies, and America in general. I don’t think racism is going to recede any more than it already has and I doubt race relations are going to get any better than they are now. But racism is interesting and has a large effect on many people, including myself, so I like to discuss it and learn more (online anyway).

    I’m pretty sure if a lot of my non-black friends knew what I assumed about many of them and what I feel that their racial views are when many haven’t even told me (and I won’t bother talking to the non-black ones about it because of their race. Ridiculous I know) many wouldn’t be interested in being friends anymore.

    I only discuss racial issues online because it’s anonymous where I feel people are much more likely to be open or openly racist. When I discuss racial issues with people who aren’t my race in person I assume they’re either outright lying or feeding me some feel good bullcrap. And I’m not sure if that has to do with racial paranoia for me as much as paranoia in general but if I’m around more than 3 or 4 non-blacks at a time, race is definetely on my mind until I’m removed from the situation.

    Most people who know me would find this extremely shocking because I have a lot of friends, they’re pretty diverse, and I will avoid race topics like the plague.

  5. Sarah wrote:

    Commenting on your first friend: It’s not usually the privileged people who get to determine how much oppression there is; those who face the prejudice day in and day out get to have the final say. I think it’s a good thing to decide that the world may be slightly better than you worried, but with regard to the second friend I see a pretty strong reason for ‘paranoia’ [or less paranoia than a judgment of experience]!

  6. feministgal wrote:

    Great post. I am often viewed as the “PC police” (which i’m not) but it does piss me off when people speak withouth thinking. If only people realized what they were saying and who they were hurting by saying those things they may think twice, or they may not…

  7. Renee wrote:

    I don’t consider it to be paranoia. In my years I have only had one relationship with a white person wherein they did not disappoint me racially speaking. I now live with the “I expect you to be racist attitude” and wait for surprise. It has caused me to treat people differently but it also limits the degree to which I am hurt and sometimes self preservation has to come first. You can only put yourself out there so many times before you make yourself sick. This does not mean that I don’t have relationships and friendships with white people but what it does mean is that I do not feel safe to fully engage because at some point despite my greatest hopes the difference between us will be made real when they refuse to acknowledge their privilege. I should also say that I feel this way not just about whites but about other racial minorities as well. You see as long as you are a colorized body in this world you can expect to fall prey to racism plain and simple. To believe anything else is to set yourself up for a world of unnecessary pain.

  8. JustChaz wrote:

    The “Memfrica” woman is a fucking idiot. Sorry that I don’t have anything personal, insightful, or connecting to add. Shit has me angry in the morning.

    I’ll just leave it at that.

  9. gatamala wrote:

    Good point, renee. To protect yourself, you need a trust but verify approach.

    Wendi, you’re not paranoid and you need to give YOURSELF more credit. Is it more rational to behave based on your experiences or what your white friend says?

    When’s the last time your friend got this kind of message:

    “I am sorry if that offends you. It’s what we call it around here. You have your beliefs and I have mine. There are stereotypes for reasons, and Memphis = not the safest of cities esp. for single white females.

    We’ll leave it at that.”

    I grew up in an area that didn’t have nearly the number of black folks that Memphis does. I learned in elementary school that true friendships with whites would be few and far between. First, they were sabotaged by their parents. Later on, THEIR peer pressure sabotaged them. I also understood that there are different levels of “friends”…some that are associates or mere acquaintances. I look at high school when I was the “only” in my classes, I noticed that the other chick in the class I hung out with was always Asian! It was usually the same for them.

    This doesn’t mean that I can’t have white friends. There are concert buddies and drinking buddies. But my closest friends that I confide in are WOC. When the shit goes down, who’s really going to be there for you? (see: tepid “feminist” non-response to Michelle Obama attacks)

    You can be open-minded and give people a chance. However, you would have to be insane, a fool or a masochist not to be guarded.

  10. Crogirl wrote:

    Wendi, I was bothered by your friend’s reply to your query. She definitely has a lot to learn. If a city is crime-ridden (and I have no idea if Memphis is or not), it’s unsafe for everyone, not just single white females. But just because the city’s population is mostly black? She’s not speaking of “they’re” stereotypes (the elusive ‘they’ who is never truly defined), but of her own.
    People crack me up with that sort of stuff. If you’re willing to say it, not knowing who your audience is or who is within earshot (or viewing your facebook statuses), own up to it. Deleting the comment then giving a sorry response by email? It’s like Imus and his “well that explains it” comment of late. But then again, it’s sad that these thoughts are even entering their little minds.

  11. Ali wrote:

    This was a great post and I can definitely relate. I grew up in a mostly white (over 95% — like really, really white) suburb in the midwest and I feel that I’ve seen so much of the subtle racism that whites try to hide, it really makes me feel that most attempts at sincere friendship would be doomed from the start. It’s alarming to hear people I grew up with and had years long relationships with say things like: “the Cosby’s weren’t really black,” “you can’t name your kid that because it’s a black name,” “I’m offended that you think I don’t understand what it’s like to be you, the Italians had a hard time when they first came to this country too,” and “gee, it really seems like you only like white guys” (this in a town where there was literally only 1 black male in my grade). Every time it feels like I’m being hard on whites these memories come flooding back to remind me that even when you think you know some one, sometimes you have no idea who they really are or what they truly believe.

    I am more wary of establishing close relationships with whites due to past experiences. Once I came to realize that my past “friendships” with whites had been built upon their ability to control and manipulate me I made a very conscious decision never to let it happen again. When I was young what felt like acceptance later revealed itself to be ignorance/fear masked by a selfish, entitled and callous lack of compassion. We could be friends, as long as I agreed to fit into a box that made it more comfortable for them to relate to me. If I had a nickel for every time in my life that a white person has invited me to go tanning I’d be a millionaire. Of course the excuse was always, “I guess when I look at you I just don’t see color” but the same people would refuse to live in certain neighborhoods or accompany me to black student functions because s/he “would feel uncomfortable.” The thing that still gets me about the tanning invitations (after I realized that the colorblind excuse was utter crap) is that it was verbal proof that my (former) friends actually had to PRETEND I WAS WHITE to mentally rationalize their relationship with me! Why the fuck else would you ask a black girl with dark skin if she wants to go tanning?!

    I am truly working toward accepting that all whites cannot be painted with the same brush and to do so is wrong and unjust but I feel that for now I just need a breather. I’ve served my tour of duty in suburban white American and right now I just need a break. While agree it’s important not to write people off or set strangers up for failure before you’ve given yourself a chance to really get to know them, I do think the occasional break is warranted.

    @ gatamala - I am right with on the POC friends in high school. Most of my closest friends were Asian or Latina during those days as well!

  12. lxy wrote:

    “I am sorry if that offends you. It’s what we call it around here. You have your beliefs and I have mine. There are stereotypes for reasons, and Memphis = not the safest of cities esp. for single white females.
    We’ll leave it at that.”

    This response from the “Memfrica” woman is priceless for not only its idiocy but its use of evasive language. Classic example of White BourgeousieSpeak.

    And is Racialicious too intense? I’ve only been on this blog for a few days, but it seems that y’all are relatively *mild.*

    If I were you, I wouldn’t worry about what “Mainstream America” thinks. If you want to water down your politics in order to appease them, you’ve already lost.

  13. kerrita k. wrote:

    oh. love the post! and i will go back to lurking soon enough! :0)

    but it is hard. especially now for any halfway liberal person of color (or any other intersectional identity) because we hafta charge this balance between our heart’s desire and belief in (race, gender, class or ability) parity with the reality that we live in an intellectually lazy country where in simple interactions we are reduced to a mere melanocyte or body part. like that is the only story that can inhabit our bodies.

    i had a conversation with one of my visually archetypal best friends (white, natural blonde, pretty, tall) about how i was a risk taker - not because i jump from perfectly good planes, or leap off bridges tethered by big rubber bands or similarly crazy shit - but because every day i leave my house and give the world a chance to treat me like just another stupid nigger. because i refuse to let them (trolls, racists, misogynists, or just plain stupid people) steal my joy or keep me confined to a world of their making.
    :0)
    of course, this is tempered with a longing for the day i can enjoy a cold slice of watermelon and a stick of fried chicken at a picnic without hearing stupidness! (the reason i have dumped a white “friend” and just no longer eat either in public…)

    the “friend” is in “s because someone truly in your corner, who has your (brown) back always and who accepts you as a truly 3-dimensional woc would never, ever, let you get away with your anger without confronting you about it, and would accept that your viewpoint had both validity and merit. and that to grow in your relationship she needs to sit, listen and hear from you. until it’s your turn to fuck up and the tables are turned. :0)

    she didn’t deserve your friendship.

    here’s to passing through our well-deserved paranoia to a better world :0)

  14. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Great post Wendi.

    Though I must say, I wonder how much of it is paranoia and how much of it is self-preservation?

    I have made a lot more white acquaintances this year - thanks to yoga and volunteering - but like Gatamala says, my crew tends to stay PoC.

    I think part of that reason is I hate the hedging. Just say what you mean. My non-black PoC friends and I talk about race frankly, all the time. (That means we address it when it comes up - I’m not hosting racial salons all day.) But a large part of that is because we are all coming from a place of trust in each other. We don’t have to hide or tiptoe around things. And, for the most part, if something racist is said, we feel comfortable enough to challenge each other on it. The one white friend I retained from middle school is like that too. She doesn’t have an interest in being edgy or playing with boundaries. She recognizes she is white and operates accordingly. If she’s confused about something, she just asks. And she had no hesitation about taking a teaching position in Baltimore after she graduated. (well, she was worried about trying to afford a better car on a teaching salary.) But with her, it’s never with that air of “look at me, I’m a good white person who is down with the people!” She just is.

    Maybe we are so uncomfortable because it feels like so many people are masking malice or unwilling to challenge their prejudices. And that’s the real issue - not so much that these folks are white, but that they would rather lie or evade to try to keep the peace, instead of listening and challenging their own assumptions.

    Because to me, what’s damaging isn’t that someone internalized racism and showed it through racist speech or behavior. It’s that they seem determined to justify it. That’s the part that’s hard for me.

  15. Eva wrote:

    I have a good friend who is Jewish; she told me she was taught to be wary of everybody who wasn’t Jewish because if they were a male they’d try to rape you and if they were a female they’d try to hurt you in some way.

  16. bea wrote:

    Wendi,

    I understand your dilemma. But, like some others who responded to this post, I think
    you are being too hard on yourself. When you grow to like, trust and even love someone as a friend or more, it is extremely painful to be rejected by them.

    Many so-called white people inadvertently say things that make so-called non-whites (I really hate using this terminology due to its origins in the white racist lexicon. I wish we had our own words to describe the current racial divide.) feel rejected. Frequently, these things are not consciously malicious and can be very subtle, making it difficult to confront the speaker about how what was said hurts.

    I don’t know your friend, but, as you alluded to at the beginning of your post, it is likely she is not as sensitive or tuned in to the subtle racism that pervades many even liberal white minds in the U.S. today. I think it is reasonable and a mark of healthy self-esteem to be wary of people who think of you, even subtly, as lesser in some why.
    That is why I feel the onus of responsibility lies on white people to:
    1) become conscious of the many unconscious, sometimes subtle, racist beliefs they have and communicate inadvertently, and
    2) communicate to non-whites preemptively that they are aware of these common, unconscious racist ideas and do not hold them.

  17. dave wrote:

    @latoya … “That means we address it when it comes up - I’m not hosting racial salons all day.” :: this made me laugh.

    @Wendi … thanks for this. i think its good to look at our own filters from time to time …

    my ideas in general are that when an issue is foregrounded in your life either because its always there (you’re a POC often moving in white-dominated circles) or its topical (you’ve just been through a domestic violence training and you’re looking at existing relationships in a new way) its easier to pick up on subtleties but also easier to extrapolate more than you should from some things.

    often behaviours are symptoms, not directly correlational, and symptoms can lead to different diagnoses.

    sorry i’m not too eloquent today.

  18. atlasien wrote:

    As a result of a rather complicated upbringing I’m not 100% comfortable around any group at all.

    Whenever I get afflicted with racial paranoia/social anxiety, I often just shut down my radar entirely, or else I wouldn’t be able to function. This means I can be successfully outgoing and communicative in a lot of different environments, but I lose the ability to read social cues or notice what other people are thinking about me.

    In the past, people have accused me of being “oblivious” at noticing unspoken social cues that are completely obvious to everyone else, or acting like a bull in a china shop in delicate situations. I can’t help it… the alternative would mean giving in to social anxiety and being too nervous to communicate at all.

    I don’t think I have a horrible depressing existence… I just had to make some trade-offs and sacrifices.

  19. Lorraine Gore wrote:

    I know for a fact that I’m very pessimistic about race relations. I am a white woman, and for the most part I do hang out with white people at the moment.

    Whenever I make a new white friend I am always on edge waiting for that moment when they’re gonna get comfortable enough around me to let an n-word “slip” or whisper “black person” like it’s a fucking secret! Because I am sure inevitably that day will come where they say some ignorant shit and I have jump their ass and they will make me look like I’m too sensitive and that I hate my own “race.”

    It’s fucking infuriating. So thank you for this post, I can definitely relate.

  20. CVT wrote:

    Being mixed (white and Chinese), I’ve been put in a number of situations where I get to see “how they act when we (PoC) aren’t around” - or, of course, when they THINK we aren’t around. Without making this too long - let’s just say a lot of the paranoia is deserved. Obviously, not of EVERY white person, but there have been so many times that white folks have said ridiculously offensive sh– around me (out of ignorance, usually - not necessarily malice) that I expect it from pretty much everyone, now.

    However - here is the key - I DO NOT let that keep me from getting to know people. Oh, I assume that they’re going to piss me off at some point and that they have some sort of pent-up prejudices lying around that they only let out on “special occasions,” but I can’t stay sane and work with folks and complain about misunderstandings between races without actually giving people a chance. And - a lot of times - that sets me up to be in a great position (where they trust me) where I can call them out and make them really think about it (because they know me enough to back off a bit on automatic defensiveness).

    Of course - it doesn’t always work like that. And there are a lot of people that I know longer engage with because of that kind of thing. But we live in a white world, and there’s no getting around it - so we can’t let fear of ignorance push us into the exact position “they” want us to be in (and expect from us).

  21. wendi muse wrote:

    i think it’s really an issue of balance. and whether it be an issue of protecting my white friends or just avoiding a potential argument because i assume they won’t understand, i often don’t engage in discussions of race frankly with them, and when i do talk about race, it’s still a bit more pg13, possibly to their detriment. i told my first friend during the discussion that when i speak to my friends of color or people who write about race on a regular basis, it’s like we can be in a room together and just GET it. we’ll all be nodding our heads in agreement on certain issues. when she and i talked about it later that night, she actually said something i thought was interesting and may be a way to make some headway in terms of discussion race with whites…at least white women. she compared our discussion to discussions on sexism she has had with men. they didn’t directly dismiss her, but they didn’t quite get it either, missing the complexity or frequency of sexism in our society. i just thought it was good that she went home thinking about our discussion. i think that says a lot in terms of what it means to both of us.

  22. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    @ Latoya–“Because to me, what’s damaging isn’t that someone internalized racism and showed it through racist speech or behavior. It’s that they seem determined to justify it. That’s the part that’s hard for me.”

    Exactly.

  23. guttaperk wrote:

    You’re not too intense.

    Privileged people don’t have the tools to reliably give accurate assessments of whether or not marginalised groups are being oversensitive.

    You’re not failing to give people enough credit.

    Most people are pretty nice, but that niceness usually covers deep racism that is woven into the fabric of our societies.

    This is not a subjective issue; it’s been well-established by social science.

    And your Memphis-smearing friend was just being (rudely) honest about perceptions that are extremely common among whitefolk, whether as conscious opinions or subconscious associations.

  24. Morgan wrote:

    OT—Eva, when did you start hanging out with my grandmother?

    Wendi—this post is was really helpful, thank you. White liberals (I am one) certainly err on the side of insisting there is no racism so we don’t have to deal with our part in it. This is something we need to work in within ourselves and not take out on POC when they try to share their experience.

    I am sure your work friend did not mean to hurt or upset, but that’s often when racism is at it’s most insidious. I’ve certainly been the white person making a comment without thinking I wish I could take back a thoudsandfold, and I’ve also been on the other side as a Jew and a woman, and it is hard to stay friends after careless words. I hope you keep talking about this kind of thing openly whenever you are comfortable.

  25. Juan wrote:

    I think you’re being a bit hard on yourself. It’s understandable to have, um, higher standards (?) once you’ve been hurt/disrespected enough times.

    Better to wait an let things/people ascribe themselves for you rather than ascribe them yourself and have to be corrected (does that make the slightest bit of sense to anyone? =/).

    I kinda consider your attitude to be more realistic than pessimistic.

  26. varneer wrote:

    No need to assume the best from people, no need to assume the worst.

    I think about what’s going on inside people’s heads all the time, too — but not until I know them a little. People will show themselves over time, like Ms. “Memfrica.” You weren’t dealing with hypotheticals or paranoia at that point.

    More relevant than paranoia, to me, is what defines “friend.” There are all kinds of transactions in life that don’t involve friendship and the key is to figure out what’s in your way, then go around it, over it, through it — or if it’s not that important to you, don’t bother.

  27. StuffBlackPeopleLike wrote:

    Well said; I don’t have anything to add that you didn’t say. Paranoia is crippling because your/our perception becomes reality.

  28. wendi muse wrote:

    btw my work friend didn’ offend me…memfrica girl did

  29. Jane wrote:

    After reading all your comments, I have a few questions for y’all:

    1) Does multiculturalism work?
    2) If not, then how can we make it work?

  30. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @Jane -

    Interesting question. I may make that into a post in itself.

    I have my own ideas, but I would love to see what the readers have to say.

    Er, or actually, Wendi - should we open up another line of discussion so that this thread isn’t derailed?

  31. Jamerican Muslimah wrote:

    Renee, I agree with completely. I just cannot expose myself to that kind of pain on a regular basis. (Especially since I live in city that is predominately White).

    I have a White friend who considers herself very progressive. She does not see herself as racist in any way. One day we were talking about our jobs (we both worked in the criminal justice system) and she mentioned how she was afraid of being in court for the first time because the defendant was a “big, Black guy.” Not only did her words hurt me but I was surprised. Of course, I asked her what his skin color had to do with her fear. (Even though I already knew the answer). She was thorougly embarrassed but I couldn’t take her words out of my mind. And then, not long after that, she made it a point to ask me to take and another White co-worker to some “ethnic restaurants.”

    It’s little things like that, that make it difficult for me to befriend a White person. I feel like my mental health cannot take the little hits like that on regular basis. (I get it enough at work and in my daily interaction with White people). I probably should be more forgiving but it’s difficult….

  32. Juan wrote:

    Jamerican Muslimah wrote:
    “It’s little things like that, that make it difficult for me to befriend a White person. I feel like my mental health cannot take the little hits like that on regular basis. (I get it enough at work and in my daily interaction with White people). I probably should be more forgiving but it’s difficult….”

    Quoted for truth. It’s just a constant ”innocent” little things that just pile up on you. Looks at punk concerts. Being asked by a co-worker sort of hoop earrings to wear at a Black musician’s concert because you’re black and that’s what all the Black women there will be wearing. Your roommate putting their hands in your hair suddenly and telling the other people in the room they should feel it. Followed by employees or a cop putting their hand on the holster the moment you walk into a store in a jacket with a hood over your head and hands in pocket because it’s damn cold outside.

    The list goes on and sometimes it can all happen in one day…

  33. Elton wrote:

    I wanted her to just come out and say “I call it that because it’s full of n*ggers.”

    Ha ha! I’m from a Southeast Arkansas city that has a similar demographic. As an Asian-American, I’m part of a long and complex history of Asians being the “third race” in predominantly black/white race relations in the South. But that’s another story for another time.

    Despite violence, poverty, racism, and ignorance, I’ve never really felt unsafe growing up in the South. In fact, when I went to college in ultra-liberal, hippy-dippy Western Massachusetts, I felt more ostracism, culture shock, and snottiness from those liberal rich kids than I ever did from my fellow Southerners.

    It is a prime symptom of white privilege that many white people feel entitled to give you their unqualified opinion on race, racism, and race relations as if it is a decree from the heavens on how people of color should think and feel about racism. Don’t order us around, you assholes. Y’all don’t even know.

  34. Juan wrote:

    Jane,
    It sounds kinda off-topic but I’ll bite still. I guess it can work depending on what terms maybe. Often when I hear [mainly white] people talk about multiculturalism it’s usually in the sense of majority white environment with a smattering of PoC–who sometimes have to be the right types of PoC.

    A multiculturalism environment that is PoC majority, whether one type majority or all together, or just a nigh-nonexistent/token white multiculturalism is almost always untouched/unspoken in such conversations.

  35. cm wrote:

    Wow. This is a really good post and an interesting discussion. This is something I’ve been struggling with for a long time. I’m a black/biracial transracial adoptee, raised by very white people in very white communities. Because of this I usually swing between two extremes: 1. avoid all white people (including my family) because ‘they’re all racist in some way’ and can never understand/want to understand my experience. or 2. say to hell with it and interact with white people on their terms even when they say/do stupid racist things. The first extreme is unrealistic (I live in the midwest) and sad because I miss out on forming relationships with really great, conscious white people (and having any meaningful contact with my family). Living the second extreme (which I tend to do more) is really difficult emotionally and demoralizing. I know there is a healthy middle ground but it’s hard for me to get there. I’ve grown sick of the whole “teachable moment” thing, mainly because it hasn’t worked a lot in the past and it’s really tiring and difficult for someone with extreme social anxiety as well as a fear of rejection and abandonment - I haven’t even been able to work up the nerve to challenge my white s.o. on some of his racist sh*t.

  36. PaulPortland wrote:

    Thanks for the article, Wendi.

    You know what they say (whomever “they” may be): “It’s not paranoia if they’re really out to get you.”

    I think what many white people don’t understand about the racial sensitivities of PoC is that our day to day paranoia doesn’t really have anything to do with the “big/ overt racism” things like having an angry racial epithet thrown at us or of being assaulted because of our race, etc. Not to minimize those events, because they do happen (and have probably happened to a large percentage of PoC at some point in their lives), but the real events that grind many of us down on a daily basis are the microaggressions that occur subconsciously.

    I’ll give you an example. In late May/ early June of this year, my wife and I took a vacation to California to visit relatives. We also planned a 3 day drive down the Pacific Coast Highway from San Francisco to Los Angeles. Like any other person planning the trip, I was concerned about things like weather, road and rental car conditions, fuel costs, etc. etc. But, as a PoC, I also had another concern that constantly shadowed the back of my mind - how we would be received when we rolled into predominantly white enclaves along Highway 1. Shit like stopping for gas in an out of the way place, or grabbing lunch at a roadside diner, or walking the streets of a town that’s 95% white. Again, I don’t mean asking myself: “I wonder if we’re going to be lynched by an angry white mob for being in their town after sunset?” Rather, it was more along the lines of: “I wonder if we’re going to get stared at when we stop to eat at a restaurant where we’re the only non-white faces in the place? I wonder if we’re going to have to be on our best behavior, enunciate every word we say in English so as to not piss of some white server (because we’re Asian, see), and tip slightly above average so as not to fall into some silly stereotype that people have about us.”

    Can America ever give me the sense of being completely at ease in my own skin that a visit to my parents’s native country of Taiwan gives me? I don’t know. All I know is that in Taiwan, even though I barely know the language, I don’t feel as if I stand out (for the obvious reasons) in a crowd. But in America, the country which I consider my home and which I love and which I plan to raise my children to love, I feel constantly on guard, constantly watched and judged.

  37. wendi muse wrote:

    paul, i can totally level with you on the feeling you mentioned above. whenever i come back from other countries, i feel like the weight of race in america hits me the second i get off the plane. it’s the racial polarity i see. it’s the class divisions i see. and a ton of other signifiers that really don’t have a name but that make me realize i am back here in this place with all these problems. of course, no country is perfect, but sometimes i just prefer being elsewhere because i feel i am made to feel less of an outsider than in the country of my birth.

  38. Bang Gully wrote:

    I have a question: What do the POC in here that are upset at the various “microaggressions” (I like this term) that occur in a day feel about other POC that well aren’t that upset?

    Are we sellouts?

  39. J wrote:

    Best discussion ever. It is good to know that I am not alone. I am the only Black person in my office and just recently I got labelled the PC police because I said I was uncomfortable when the hip hop songs with the N***** word in it are played in the office. I know they are just songs but they still refer to a word that can never be used to make other races feel small in the way they make me feel so please allow me my sensitivity.

    One thing I have learnt in the healthcare industry ( I work in Oncology) is that at the end of the day we are all human beings with the same vulnerabilities. When you are confronted with some of the really big things in life, like your mortality all your pretensions are striiped away. It is funny that the only place I have found equality is in death….sorry for such a depressing post

  40. colleen wrote:

    I don’t even know what to say here. Reading this makes me feel rather hopeless. I’m white, and now I just feel like I can’t do or say anything. Obviously I can’t speak for all white folks, but I’m reading through the post and the comments here and just feeling like a huge failure. The “Memfrica” comment is outrageously ignorant and insulting, to be sure. But I had no idea that when I just look at somebody whos’ “out of the norm” ( because of race, or some other visual distinction) I’m sending a signal that I mistrust or hate them, or saying “You don’t belong here.” This seriously makes ME want to become a hermit and retreat into my own little insular “everybody’s just like me” enclave, because at least that way I’m less likely to screw up.

    Can I deny that there’s racism? Hell, no. I married into a family that occasionally makes statements I cringe at (and yes, I attempt to rebut them with facts). But retreating into our own enclaves just guarantees that crap like that is going to go on happening. My in-laws are racist because they don’t mix with anybody but white folks, and then only white folks of their religion. I have one Mexican SIL and one Honduran SIL, and God bless the first one because boy did she get a lot of backhanded crap from the ILs for a long time. By the time non-white SIL #2 came along, the family had mellowed quite a bit.

    I don’t even know what the hell I’m getting at. Don’t give up on us whites. When we ask inappropriate questions (how do you do your hair, what does “___” mean, do you eat ___ , etc), PLEASE give us the benefit of the doubt - sometimes they are clumsy but well-intentioned attempts to bridge the cultural/racial divide. We don’t always magically know what to say, and sometimes we are burning with curiosity to understand our neighbors. Yes, some of us are jackass idiots, but I swear to you on my heart, we’re not ALL acting out of malice. Sometimes it’s just ignorance.

  41. waxghost wrote:

    I think there is a certain intensity that comes into play when one is more aware of situations like racism or (per Wendi in #21, since that is how I have to relate to the racism that people of color face) sexism. If you are already focused on those kinds of situations, even if it is because you are trying to get them to stop happening, they can take on an importance that is disproportionate to their real importance sometimes. Personally, I’ve seen it happen in myself in respects to sexism, which I let hold me back sometimes just because I am ASSUMING it will happen.

    And at the same time, to say that that is ALL that it is is ridiculous. I wish more people would realize that it is often “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” I’m so tired of people being dismissed as “too sensitive”, “too PC”, etc., without taking into account that most likely, they have a legitimate reason for feeling like they do.

  42. waxghost wrote:

    colleen, being white too, I know what you mean, but it seems like the best thing to do is recognize your own ignorance and not get defensive when it is pointed out to you (which it will be because we just aren’t aware of everything that a person of color has to deal with).

    As for staring, I think that’s rude no matter what race the person is. Think about how uncomfortable you would feel if you were stared at somewhere because you were obviously very different from everyone else there… Just knowing you are outnumbered can make the situation seem very hostile.

    But I think the key thing to remember is to be able to admit when you have offended someone and try to correct it rather than insulting them further by denying it even happened.

  43. PaulPortland wrote:

    @Bang Gully,

    My wife is actually far less sensitive about these “racial microaggressions” than I am. I’m sure the reasons are many and personal. I’m sure part of my sensitivies are purely a manifestation of my own (non-racial) personality. You know, some people, regardless of race, are just more socially anxious, less at ease in public places. However, I do find myself much more at ease when I’m in places where PoC (regardless of race) are the majority than vice versa, so I don’t think my anxiety is 100% a symptom of my neurotic personality.

    Which is a round-about way of saying that, no, I don’t feel PoC who are less sensitive to racial microaggressions are “sell-outs.” I wouldn’t presume to understand what’s going on in other people’s minds. In fact, I don’t consider my being particularly sensitive to some of these microaggressions means that I’m anymore enlightened or wise to the ways of the supremacist superstructure. Truth be told, my hope is that, in the future, my kids are far less aware of these things NOT because they’re forced to ignore it in order to stay sane, but because they’re just another face in the crowd.

  44. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    I have to admit that I sort of understand how you feel about always being on guard when it comes to forming relationships with certain people. Based on my life experiences, I’d have to say that I’ve become quite cynical of people in general and will readily assume that most people that aren’t like me (of Asian descent) will tend to hold racist views of people that look like me and that most people overall will hold racist views of anyone that doesn’t look like themselves (minus the mainstream persons of European descent–everybody knows that they’re diverse when we PoC’s are all the same, or so it goes in popular conception).

    But I think how we respond to this presence of racism in all of us, I think, can be different. I see myself as a racial evangelist of sorts. An optimistic cynic, because as much as I believe that we all hold racist notions, I similarly have to believe that the only way to overcome this racism is to develop relationships with those who are racist–to regularly and massively cross socio-racial boundaries so that those racist beliefs can be dispelled by actuality.

    I have many friends of European descent who are certainly racist and most so against people of African descent, but they live in denial of it. On the other hand, I’ve noticed that my own presence in their lives has made them less racist against people of Asian descent, because I confront their misconceptions and show them, by example, that their fondly held stereotypes do not hold true just because I look like a person they believe would behave a certain way.

    But it often takes a lot of misunderstanding and arguments to get where we are today as well and yes, a lot of hurt. But if we let our hurt close us off from those that hold racist views, then none of us will ever see change–because, I believe that a policy of engagement; deep and genuine engagement via committed relationships with people not like us, is the only thing that can melt these barriers down in the end.

    So my policy is that I never turn down the friendship of any person. If they have pride issues that put them in denial of their own, or society’s, racism, including racism against me, I still choose to engage so long as they aren’t doing so from a place of malice. Granted, should any relationship turn abusive, then I have to cut it off, but that goes for abusiveness of any sort, not limited to racism. That said, if they choose to disengage from me due to my regular rebuttals of anything racist they might say or do, I won’t chase them down.

    But, at the same time, I guess I also need my “safe space”, within a community of color, that gets racism and doesn’t get hyperdefensive about it when it’s pointed out, because there is some level of fatigue created, having to constantly fight to show that you’re fully human and in the most significant way, more like them than they choose to admit.

    Sorry, if I sound preachy. I just don’t want to see people get too closed off because of the adversity faced when engaging.

  45. Eva wrote:

    I’m 48 years old and what I have realized is that people will always say the “wrong thing” not because they are evil but because they are imperfect human beings. I have said things in my lifetime that have been hurtful, either my words or tone. I have no problem being called out when I am wrong and I have no problems calling out someone else on their stuff, that’s the only way any of us can grow up.

    It doesn’t matter what color or sex the people are, the fact that we’re all imperfect means this is going to happen. But the real question is, can you learn from it? Do you want to?

  46. waxghost wrote:

    Er, it occurred to me that I should add, in my response to colleen, that you shouldn’t expect every situation of offense to be explained to you by any and every person of color; that you shouldn’t expect an apology to be enough; and that you also shouldn’t expect it to always be about you as a white person. Remember that people of color don’t owe you anything, that sometimes you will just have to accept being ignored, confounded, bewildered, etc. and that believing otherwise is your white privilege speaking.

    And with that, I will refrain from posting again on this thread.

  47. Samantha wrote:

    colleen don’t feel hopeless. i grew up an army brat and was always exsposed to a diverse group and i’ve learned over the years to give my sometimes clueless white friends the benefit of the doubt.

    a lot of times they honestly didn’t know and when i pointed it out they sometimes didn’t know the best way to ask so they could understand why.

    i’ve always told them to just ask me because i’m thier friend and i can at least set them to rights. this way it hopefully mitigates them asking the wrong person who would be really offended.

    this is a great discussion because it’s something me and my girl friends of color have talked in depth about. i”m glad i’m not the only one who is sometimes tired of having teachable moments.

    sometimes it would be nice if they could figure it out on their own. but there in lies the problem.

  48. Ron wrote:

    We live in a white country for now, so we must have some uneasiness. For example, for me going to Jamaica made me feel right at home. You cannot blame racism in a all-black country.

    Do not be so hard on yourself though.

  49. Chairo wrote:

    can someone tell me where that image comes from?

  50. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    Question: Is there a line between expecting racism and assuming it?

  51. Lola wrote:

    Excellent article.

    Maybe it’s paranoia, but this is first and foremost SELF-PROTECTION!

    Having suffered from both blatant and subliminal racism from whites (70%) and other non-blacks (30%) since childhood emotionally and *physically*, I’ve decided non-blacks (especially whites) are NOT “friend material” until I believe so. It’s about my emotional safety. I’ve learned from concrete experience to “give ppl (more) credit” ONLY when they proved they deserved it, instead of expecting that they were so open-minded. My non-black friends of today, before trusting them, I literally “studied” them for a while.

    Another thing, I DO NOT tolerate someone who doesn’t walk in my shoes to tell me how I’m supposed to feel and what I’m supposed to do about my problems. Are you gonna tell someone how to raise a child if you never had one? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  52. jvansteppes wrote:

    Perhaps it wouldn’t be such a hassle to consider having white friends if you knew you could call them/us on it without constantly getting a defensive response. White ignorance strikes me as most dangerous when paired with a total lack of humility.
    Also, since when is any area more dangerous for white women in comparison with other women? That’s Memfrica girl’s code for ‘I’m afraid of mythical black rapists’.

  53. Chairo wrote:

    I’ve come to realise that i only feel this paranoia amongst middle class whites.

    I’m from London, and through high school i was surrounded by diversity. When i went to uni, mostly everyone was white. The paranoia came pretty strong then, in spite of the fact that i had best friends who were white. I realised that the reason for this was my encounters with middle class arty whites who had an irreverently acerbic attitude towards social issues. Just to explain i was at an art school. The way all the middle class kids huddled up immediately made me uncomfortable. Over-hearing one of them “ironically” parodying a chinese student’s voice, pretty much branded them all racist in my head. None of them told the dude to stop

    I don’t think i’ll ever believe middle class whites like that dude care about race. Being surrounded by people who look like you, in an area where everyone looks like you, i think makes you lack cultural empathy with those dissimilar from you. The eternal arguments about political correctness illustrate this lack of cultural empathy from many whites; who seem to be the strongest attackers of “political correctness”

    especially white straight males… sigh

  54. wendi muse wrote:

    chairo, i found the photo here: http://artruch.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/friends.jpg

  55. wendi muse wrote:

    jvansteppes:
    exactly
    in my response to my ex friend, who will now and forever been known as miss memfrica, i wrote the following, but never received a response:

    “it’s not really an issue of beliefs…nor did i say i was offended…so it’s interesting that you used that statement immediately

    but as a person from memphis, i was just curious why you called it that
    is it because we have a large black population?

    and even so, what does africa have to do with safety ? or safety for whites for that matter? lastly, most of the crime that occurs in memphis relates to inner city gang violence, and most of those gangs are made up of poor blacks. even as a black female, i feel unsafe in memphis at times, too, especially as my being black doesn’t by any means protect me from being a victim of violence…

    nevertheless, i just wanted to hear your reasons, bc i hear it a lot, but people rarely give me a straight answer.”

  56. wendi muse wrote:

    and no, i am not being classist. a lot of the violence is the result of gang related incidents that almost always involve young, black poor people who live in lower income areas.

  57. Chrissy wrote:

    Just a thought…what about extending people a little bit of grace? I think we all have “stuck our foot in our mouths” at some point in our lives.- I wouldn’t want someone to hold a random comment (or two) over my head for the rest of my life.

    Granted, I understand that race is complicated, painful, and messy, but I think there is a difference between ignorance and racism.

    Just for some reference…
    I’m black woman who is a military brat. I have had friends of all different hues/nationalities.

    That being said, I have had friends make insensitive remarks from time to time, but I’ve been able to enjoy some really close friendships regardless.

    Overall, I’d like to believe that my interactions with people, from all different walks of life, has been a mutually edifying experience for all.

  58. Chairo wrote:

    wendi

    thanks for the link. You’re experience sounds very frustrating.

  59. Chairo wrote:

    Chrissy there’s being innocuously ignorant

    and there’s being irreverently racist

    the former is a kid who’s grown up in a small town

    the latter is a middle class new yorker who reads vice magazine

    i get where you’re coming from with being patient with people, but i think the term “memfrica” and the rejoinder wendi’s friend gave to her query, are just a bit wrong

    Its tiring having all this race-based humour thats aimed at the shortcomings of a community

  60. Aguy wrote:

    Don’t sell yourself short. A white person is received differently by other people in the our current world. Her assertion that people are less racist than you might assumed them to be is a reflection of how her reception by other formed her opinion. She has no basis to back up her claim. Only you, a black person, can be sure how people perceive blacks.

    Wheather or not people are racist is beside the point. I think as a black person in this world today, it is perfectly acceptable be a little paranoid about white people.

    How would a white person know that people are more accepting of blacks? What example can a white person give to back that up? A white person is not at the receiving end of racism or condescension by whites.

  61. Mogs wrote:

    waxghost posted above:
    “Remember that people of color don’t owe you anything, that sometimes you will just have to accept being ignored, confounded, bewildered, etc. and that believing otherwise is your white privilege speaking.”
    er, well… don’t all people owe each other basic courtesies such as at least explaining why they are angry at someone who has earned their ire, if that person is honestly clueless? anyone have some clarification for me?

  62. A. wrote:

    Why don’t we extend a little bit of grace?

    Because when we give people the benefit of the doubt, society finds a convenient way to throw that shit back in our face.

  63. NancyP wrote:

    I thought the city was called “Melvis”.

    It takes some effort for a white person to overcome the overt and implied messages of white culture. It takes more effort to try to imagine how things sound to people who by race endure the daily effect of little neglects or insults. Even white people of good will let words slip out without thinking - and I don’t mean the obvious stuff like “Miss Memfrica”. If I say something that is either stereotyping on my part or clumsy sentences with double meaning, and I don’t get this “did I just say that? Crap!” look on my face and apologize, I’d consider it a kindness to be honest about being offended and explain the offense to (developmentally challenged race-wise) me.

    At the same time, I can understand that it gets old having to explain these things.

    When I talk with a POC, I feel that it is a bit presumptuous for me to bring up the subject of race first, at least without the obvious tag of some current news item. And a lot of the time, the pressing mutual topics of interest are work gossip, geekitude, movies, and such. I am also aware that it may be a self-protective reflex for the POC to tone things down when talking with a white person. So, discussions don’t take place. It seems easier to talk about these things in blogs and such, due to the impersonality.

  64. Kali wrote:

    Hi, Wendi,
    Thank you for examining so openly and bravely your own feelings towards ‘white’ people. Don’t you think it is interesting that we start off being open and trusting, then we become suspicious/paranoid in between, and then we come full circle again to more openness and trust.

    Let me tell you my little story: I have just returned from a multi-ethnic conference today where a well-educated African American woman (with a master’s from a prestigious local college) dominated the conversation, rode rough-shod over my explanations of my own community, insisting that she knew better, arguing for genital mutilation, child marriage and child labor - because we didn’t ‘understand’ and shouldn’t judge other cultures in Africa/Asia. I have actually lived in Asia while she has never left the US and has some idealized vision of Africa.

    I am sure you would tell me that you would be just as disapproving as I was of this woman’s views - and that I should not judge African Am women by this one person, that I should continue to engage with other AfAm people because some of the prejudiced views are born of ignorance - and it would be my loss if I cut myself off from an entire group of people because I might be offended or hurt.

    Now I would never want to meet this particular person again - but wouldn’t I be cheating myself of all the fun and inspiration I might have if I continued to engage and make friends with nonAsians. Sure, I would come across more prejudice and racism towards Asians in the nonAsian groups - black, brown and white, but my Asian friends may also let me down sometimes or be cruel,disloyal or unreliable - and that does not stop me from making Asian friends either.

    Nothing ventured nothing gained … so I hope you will be willing to take more risks and keep making friends of all ethnicities.

  65. TierList E wrote:

    Me and my other PoC friends had discussed this from time to time. As I’ve mentioned before it was interesting coming together, because not only were we PoC, we were middle class PoC that grew up in intensely white situations. We found each other in college and clung to each other ever since. Our views towards whites and/or non-blacks ranges from inches from open hostility to almost complete comfort, but we’ve all admitted to each other that surprisingly we became more comfortable with each other much more quickly than friends in the past (not many of us had PoC friends before college). I finally realized that not a small part of that came from being able to speak of race more openly and be able to admit being hurt by it, without oversensitively rebuttals.

    Unfortunately, I think my college-bubble, if you will, had made me a bit more vulnerable to the common stings of low level racism then my high school self, and as of right now I have no majority friends past basic acquaintances. I never had anything against most white people- I think that a lot of what they say and think are due to not knowing any better than true maliciousness, but I’m not going to lie it has been a tiring and hurtful process at times, which maybe subconciously had me let go of my old ties quickly and not too eager to reforge new deep relationships with non-PoC.

    Someone earlier noted straight white males- omg I shouldn’t agree but they can be the embodiment of an irate charging bull in regards to race. I’ve had racial awkwardness with all forms of white people but all the times I was physically/verbally confronted with someone racial issues it was them. The first and most forceful to shut me up with the “PC rant” and the perpetrators to the few situations where a hostile race situation was started by a majority person. As I’ve seen it women and non-straight white people tend to be less confrontational.

  66. Jas wrote:

    @johnjihoonchang

    Are you sure you aren’t considered the “exception” by some of those people?? I’m black and I have “friends” who are racist against blacks. I’ve known by what my best non-black friends will tell me has been said behind closed doors or what I’ve overheard when too much alcohol was consumed.

    I have a hard time swallowing the “be the best person you can be to change people’s mind” method. I think racism, biases, etc require much more deprogramming than that. I think they’re WAAY too deeply ingrained to be uprooted or even dug up a little that way. I’m not saying it won’t have some effect and you won’t change ANY minds but for me the small reward of being the exception, the “white on the inside”, etc is just not worth trying to go out of my way to set an example for racist/ignorant whites.

    I agreed with a lot of what you said though.

    “Is there a line between expecting racism and assuming it?”

    I don’t think there’s much of one.

  67. Kandice wrote:

    I also live in memphis and take offense to the memfrica comment. I think she was too ashamed to just flat out admit she was being racist . I know from personal experience that memphis is a very racially divided city and some people simply dont know how to act around other people of color, but I also feel that people should use common sense. As for the violence the city is not particularly safe for anyone especially if they put themselves in harms way.

  68. CVT wrote:

    After reading through the comments, I wanted to present a flip-side to keep us all on the up-and-up:

    Granted, most often, it’s white folks that say stupid sh** around me. It’s often white folks that put those little straws on my back.

    But it’s NOT just white folks. I’ve found that I can bond with a lot of PoC based on the shared experience of those straws. What it means to be non-white in the United States, political responses, etc. However, many times, those very same people that I feel comfortable with because I can talk about these issues and know that THEY KNOW what I’m talking about - these same folks then drop some crazy ignorance of their own on me (about Asians).

    It happens. Sadly, although PoC can bond about being non-white in the U.S., very few PoC really do the research and learn about SPECIFIC experiences of SPECIFIC races and ethnicities that are not their own. We like to generalize as if it’s all the same (and there ARE a lot of similarities), but it IS NOT the same.

    Asian friends drop sh** about black folks. Black folks drop it about Asians. Latin@s drop it about Asians or black folks, etc. Being mixed, I sometimes feel like the only person out here that actually makes a point of trying to understand all the different angles and fighting stereotypes and prejudices of all types.

    So - I get it all. I do. I automatically mis-trust white folks a lot of the time. I feel more comfortable around PoC. BUT - I don’t ALWAYS feel comfortable around PoC -and that’s important. Until we can fully prop each other up (all non-white, equally), it’s going to be hard to get white folks to really start paying attention.

  69. PaulPortland wrote:

    This is purely my own perspective, but for the white folks who’ve posted in this thread stating how this sort of guarded mentality among PoC towards the majority population makes them feel confused and hopeless about ever bridging the gap between the races, I have one tip:

    If one of the reasons you wish to befriend a PoC (aside from the fact that this PoC is a nice person with a great sense of humor and an interesting mind) is because you think it is your ticket to learning more deeply about a “foreign and exotic” culture, well, you’re an ass. This is especially true if the PoC you are trying to befriend has obviously grown up in America and is for all intents and purposes an “American.” (You know, someone who believes in all that land of the free, all (wo)men are created equal, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness stuff?) You want to talk baseball? Go right ahead, it’s my favorite sport. Comic books? I’m a big fan of Kirkman’s _Walking Dead_ and Willingham’s _Fables_. Movies? Dude, anything and everything from the French New Wave to _Die Hard_ to the Coen Bros. You want me to teach you how to hold a chop-stick, how to practice Buddhism, and how to do martial arts? Yeah, okay. This is when I start to tune you out.

  70. kakodaimon wrote:

    Fantastic post. The concept of “microaggressions” is so useful - I’ve experienced them (on sexist and anti-Semitic levels), but have never had a way to put it … so, thanks.

    A lot of this discussion has focussed on receiving these microaggressions from a variety of sources, which makes it hard to call people on their shit if every time it’s from someone new. But I’m currently trying to figure out how to deal with a steady stream of this stuff from individuals.

    Someone I know frequently makes gross remarks which fly just under the level I’d usually call out, with very occasional flares of WTF. I’m sure everybody knows someone who talks like that - nothing in itself obvious as racism, but the big picture being a clear problem. How do you challenge someone when they have complete deniability? Ugh… depressing. But I’ve got to figure out something stat, otherwise I’m just another enabling, “safe” white person for others to vent their racist shit to, even if they’re not aware of it.

  71. Joseph wrote:

    re: “Memfrica”

    Huh.
    Does that make Darien, Connecticut “Caucasiastan”?

  72. msday wrote:

    “tip slightly above average so as not to fall into some silly stereotype that people have about us.”
    Wow, Paul I didn’t realize that Asians had the same reputation for tipping poorly. I wonder which one of us is considered worse. Also, isn’t ashamed that these servers probably make a days wage with the tips of Asians or black Americans because we are paranoid about being perceived as a poor tip.

  73. msday wrote:

    Now, back to the question of are we too intense? I think that when you are constantly put on guard by behaviours and actions of others that are directly a result of your perceived race, after a while one becomes like the Pavlovian dog. We think we hear a bell and we salivate. Now, I had the most horrible time in America because I was in the healthcare industry in a field where there were very few minorities. I was a light skinned black female and I didn’t fit anyone stereotypes. I was hit from both sides. I could walk into a room full of other black people and be met with suspicion and contempt just based on my light skin and my accent. Sometimes they would give me a chance and I’d sit down and when my opinions didn’t match up with the average, they would rudely attempt to shut you down or try to make you look like a person who was out of touch with the black experience. After a while, I developed a paranoia about even trying to interact with people of which I had one time felt comfortable. I would avoid them. On the other hand, you had the white people. Most of them expected me to conform to stereotypes and have opinions in which I was lambasted for not having in the black community. However, they would force them on you in a sense by automatically assuming what I was about. Especially with white women. I know white males tend to take a lot of flack but for the most part at least most of them were curious enough to try and engage you in a conversation. White women on the other hand, would first of all scroll their eyes from head to foot -slowly and when they could not find a flaw, they would either treat you with contempt or become patronizingly complimentary. This usually resulted in the black friend story followed by the dagger in the back at a later date. Usually when my accent, skin color, opinions or style of dress didn’t conform then they would say, “well your not really black.” and they proceeded to try and make me into somewhat of a cute little toy. So when I found this type of behaviour in a work situation, I purposely tried to avoid them. I would go to work and come home. However, I ended up getting labeled as a “snob” and having an “attitude” because I failed to allow myself to become their little brown doll.
    I also felt the same fears as Paul when I traveled around the country as a healthcare professional. In the midwest, I was afraid to drive with the windows down for fear someone would spit or throw something at me. I was never spat on but I was hit with something one time. I was cautious about diners and after being stared at wherever I went, I have a phobia of it now. America sucked because of this,

  74. Chrissy wrote:

    I don’t know where some of the commentators are coming from, meaning…

    I don’t know the environment that you grew up in or what your friends/family taught you (implicitly/explicitly) about race. I also don’t know the wounds or frustrations that you have.

    That being said, there is no way that we are going to be able to build bridges with different people, if we are on the defensive and are waiting for the other person to slip up. (I’m not talking about the “Memfrica” comment.) I think people sense whether they are welcomed or not.

    I wonder, when it comes to same race relationships, is the same “dismissive” principle applied? If the other person in the relationship says something hurtful or offensive, does that warrant an immediate dismissal or you discuss the offense and try to work with that person?

    Again, I guess it depends on your philosophy. Do you want to befriend people “who are different”? Because if you do, there will be misunderstandings.

    It’s kind of like learning a new language or going to a foreign country. You are going to do or say something stupid/offensive. It’s impossible not to do something “wrong” as you are getting to learn/know something new.

    That’s why I say, if you want racial reconciliation (and maybe you don’t), you have to be willing to extend a little grace (when you are not talking about situations of obvious racism).

  75. Slush wrote:

    “If one of the reasons you wish to befriend a PoC (aside from the fact that this PoC is a nice person with a great sense of humor and an interesting mind) is because you think it is your ticket to learning more deeply about a “foreign and exotic” culture, well, you’re an ass.”

    Yeah, I mostly really agree with this, but I think there’s also a decent counterargument.

    It’s also true that white folks have a seriously ingrained history of colonization to work past, and a majority status that keeps them in the subject position mentality all the time. That’s a big hurdle and empirically I think it is rarely if ever overcome, which is why you were pointing out that they are asses for coveting some kind of ‘foreignness’ in a POC friend. Because that’s what happens more often.

    But America has a ton of very different subcultures, some of which are ethnically rooted, some by geography, religion, fashion or music, diet, whatever. And for anyone interested in understanding or exploring the ideas of a group unfamiliar to them, cultivating a friend who can be your guide to this subculture can be a genuine attempt to share and learn and enjoy something new to you. It is partly about that friend’s unique or ‘exotic’ side, but I think it shouldn’t be automatically seen as exploitative.

    For sure it’s not a two way street in terms of race, because there’s a very pervasive power and numbers differential that keeps people of color largely labeled as ‘other’ and whites as the reference point. But there’s still an extent to which ‘foreignness’ is completely relative to the perceiver.

    There’s sort of an interesting dynamic - okay maybe this is my perception and completely wrong - but it seems that a white person seeking experience (for lack of a better word) with racial minority cultures is guilty of cultural exploitation or imperialism, while a POC who seeks alliegance with white culture is sort of a race-traitor. (Sorry to use that word race-traitor; I think it’s a divisive term that tries to force conformity upon people in a kind of racist way, but it was the most succinct way to describe something that’s really much more subtle and complex.)

    But then the upshot of this dynamic is that it’s kind of impossible for anyone to approach it the right way…

  76. Slush wrote:

    Sorry, that second thought was rather tangential - but maybe it’s candidate for a separate post: on when people succeed in culturally identifying with another race - there’s lots of famous figures out there to analyze, although who you even include on the list could be contentious.

  77. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    Wow MS Day. I am soory you had such a tough time…I totally know about the oreo thing. The worst day of my life was when a white person called me an oreo and then was pissed that I didnt take it as a compliment…WTF…It is funny you talk about feeling limited geographically i.e. feeling like there are some places you wont travle to. I am applying to Med schools and there are schools I wont even consider because of where they are located..I am secretly afraid of being tied to a truck and dragged through town for daring to want to become a doctor…That is probably paranoia but I sometimes feel like since I cant be sure I am better off safe than sorry

  78. Modidlee wrote:

    …concerning the “Memfrica” statement. The way I see it, her saying “I’m sorry if you’re offended” when you didn’t even imply that you were offended shows that she knows it’s offensive but doesn’t care. On another note; why is it that when people speak about problems that are happening to other people in other countries they’re humanitarians? But when a black man in America speaks out about the injustices that we face he’s an “angry black man?” (This also happens to women)

  79. NancyP wrote:

    It may not be exploitative if a white person inquires about or hears the POC acquaintance or friend talk about activities in the community important to the particular POC acquaintance or friend. For example, going to friend’s church to listen to the friend, an avid choral singer, sing, and maybe meet some of the friend’s choir buddies. I suppose the question is, would you be doing this with a same-race friend?

    JD/formerly J, you would have more problems in the town than in the medical school itself, as almost all medical schools have a geographically and racially diverse (if not proportional) faculty. Many or most med. schools have a minority affairs office, attached to the student affairs office or an independent office. Also, check which schools have student affiliate branches of the minority-specific medical associations:

    African-American: http://www.snma.org
    Latin@: http://www.lmsa.net
    APIA: http://www.apamsa.org

    There’s the best source of information for you re: racial atmosphere of school itself and of town. (I am a med. school prof.)

  80. JD/ formerly J wrote:

    Thanks NancyP…still not sure about Tennessee but we will see

  81. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    @ Jas

    “Are you sure you aren’t considered the “exception” by some of those people??”

    Some, probably, but the ones that I’ve gotten closer to have consequently met a lot of my other friends of Asian descent as well, because I tend to mix up my various social circles and I think many of my friends have come to see that few of us fit the expected stereotypes. That hasn’t led them to be any less racist against persons of other descent, but it’s clear that engagement has had some noticeable impact on some people. Back in high school, there weren’t a whole lot of kids of Asian ancestry around and so without multiple points of reference, I’m pretty sure that I, and the few others, were considered exceptions.

    “I have a hard time swallowing the “be the best person you can be to change people’s mind” method.”

    I don’t really think that’s what I’m going for. I think my goal is really just maximum engagement with people of different ancestries. I’ve no interest in showing myself as “white on the inside” as there are a lot of parts of who I am that neatly follow the Corean cultural heritage, but not necessarily in ways that non-Coreans might expect. Rather, it’s my goal that by making friends and willingly engaging them on issues regarding race when they come up, that, in time, their prejudices will break, via dialog, via example, via meeting other PoC in my social circles and thereby experiencing the equivalent diversity of humanity within an ethnicity.

    And so, I guess what I want to stress is engagement–not even just on a personal level, but on a collective level. It is exhausting battling racist attitudes, but shutting ourselves in PoC-world on a personal level does nothing to relieve the situation. And while I think it’s tempting to think that we ought not stick our necks out to “educate the ignorant racists”, I think it’s also important to realize, collectively, that we don’t only do it for them, but we do it for us, as the more we engage, despite the difficulties inherent within, the more we can actively break down prejudices on a personal level, and if collectively, on a collective level.

    Otherwise, I just can’t see how we can effective fight racism without engaging those with racist attitudes. Some might be lost causes, but as much as I love anti-racist blogs and writing and literature, I often feel as it’s preaching to the choir. It’s important that we engage each other in community to build each other up, but all the same, walls must be torn down and relationships established for any real tangible good to happen.

    Okay, I’ll stop with the sermonizing. Happy Friday, everyone!

  82. msday wrote:

    JD/Formerly j: please don’t let it stop you from applying to a medical school that your heart is set on just because it is in an unsafe area. I went to SUNY Oswego. It was rough because there were a lot of racial incidents and I ran. While working locum tenens, I traveled to at least 40 different states with a medical imaging company. If you are in those area’s always be aware of your environment and don’t act afraid. There are some beautiful area’s of America despite the fools and you need to see them.

  83. waxghost wrote:

    Mogs, (#61) I hesitate to speak for anyone else but I can tell you that my own reason for saying that is that I think assuming that the person who was offended owes an explanation to the offender is not only privileging the offender above the offended but presumes that the offender has no other way to learn about it, which is not necessarily true.

    I say it is privileging the offender because the person who was offended has probably ALREADY had to explain it several times before. I don’t know about you but I start to lose patience when I constantly have to answer the same question by different people, even if it’s a completely innocuous question. It quickly becomes annoying. “Teachable moments” have already been noted several times by several different people in this thread as repetitively monotonous, draining, and intrusive. And the very fact that others so often will choose to comment on that trait first (whether it be something as loaded as race or as simple as, say, height) is openly noting your difference as if you had no idea that you were black or Asian or taller than average. Typically, when you try to explain this to a person, they act as though you are being too sensitive, further wasting your time and denigrating your feelings in favor of theirs.

    As for other ways to learn about why things are offensive to some people, that’s what things like books, the Internet, magazines, etc. are for. Or just thinking, even; many, many people treat others in ways they would never want to be treated and then act surprised when that person is offended. Expecting an explanation of that person is saying that YOUR TIME is more important than THEIR FEELINGS because you can’t even bother to do a little research (or even just thought) on your own. Especially with something with as long a history as race, it shouldn’t be that hard to find other ways to have the offense explained to you.

  84. msday wrote:

    Jd/ One more thing. I don’t think you will have a problem in Tennessee. I lived for five years in Paducah Kentucky which is a half hour north of Nashville. When I got out of the military, I was afraid to interview at a hospital in that area out of fear of the south. Allow me to tell you, I have never felt more relaxed in a town as I had been in that town. The south has come a long way and from my experience, I met and worked with more black doctors in the south than I ever have in the north or midwest. I love the south because if southerners like you, they like you. If they don’t, you know it because you are invisible. Vanderbilt has an awesome reputation. I would advise you to travel down to the area for a week, and experience that area for yourself. It is an awesome place.

  85. bdsista wrote:

    There is a book published in the 80s by Howard University Press called Mental Health and People of Color, written by anumber of clinicians and academics which I reviewed which shows in the medical research that there is a normal state of paranoia that is present in POC, particularly Black people as a means of survival. So you are not paranoid, you are normal and it is a part of what is normal for Black s in America.
    @waxghost, I just finished doing a Diversity Training course for teachers and you are dead on about “Remember that people of color don’t owe you anything, that sometimes you will just have to accept being ignored, confounded, bewildered, etc. and that believing otherwise is your white privilege speaking.”
    I feel the same way at times and it is why I have vacationed in the Caribbean for almost 20 years, so I can get a break from the racism. Also, I tend to shy away from WM who contact me on dating sites because I am afraid of tokenism or exoticism and what really gets me are the WM who contact you on the site (like Yahoo Personals) who do not have BW listed in their preferences. So if you DON’T want to meet someone of my race why the F**k are you flirting/emailing me? I simply don’t respond, but I feel that pang of rejection every time I open up their profile and see that AGAIN, the unworthy, unattractive, unfeminine, unloveable BW is not on anyone’s list other than the BM.
    But I don’t think we are too intense, it takes a lot to get up and go out into a world that often tells you that you are less than and stay intact.

  86. easy-writer wrote:

    “she noted that people are probably more accepting and less racist than I would assume. “

    No, I don’t think you’re wrong. I think there’s been a lot of marketing and PR that depicts “togetherness” and is mistaken for signs that racial divisions are over. Multicultural ads are not a substitute for meaningful conversation or reflection on race.

    So bearing this in mind, I have to say, sometimes I still have this mini-intensity, this paranoia….”
    It’s normal and I think people who haven’t experienced racism are surprised when it comes rearing its head. As cool as I like to think I am, I often find myself grappling with assumptions based on racial perceptions that have nothing to do with reality –or even the matter at hand.

    I do understand why you’d go to the Caribbean for vacation. It’s why I enjoy going back to Hawai’i and my kids do too. I just don’t have to deal with issues of race, rather, no one asks “What are you?” Instead, they ask, “How’s your mother?” even if they’re not sure who I am.

  87. Chill wrote:

    Honestly, reading some of the comments of this thread (too long; didn’t read a lot of it) made me more pessimistic then anything. Seems there is a fair amount of “well, damn right. Most white people are racists and we’ll never be close friends.” But then again, I run into white people who definitely hold some racist attitudes whether it be “they’re moving into our town. Why don’t they stay in the citys” or “I got fired from my job because I don’t speak Spanish. What’s up with all this *illegals* coming in this country.” But I guess, I just try to never make the mistake of judging a group by the actions of individual members. Doesn’t matter to me whether the group in question is white, black, or any other way of dividing people.

    Course I’ve been accused of holding this view because I’m mixed. /me shrugs. whatever.

  88. NancyP wrote:

    It is hard if a monolingual worker has worked somewhere and has the bilingual requirement dumped on them all of a sudden. (Yes I know that people in certain areas should anticipate the need, but…). I think the fair thing to do, if absolute fluency is not needed, is for the employer to provide lead time and a subsidized course to long-term employees. After all, a phlebotomist only needs to be able to tell the patient what is going on and instruct them to hold their finger over the blood draw site. This is not complicated, as opposed to language use of social workers or psychologists, both having professions where fluency is required.

  89. hlynn wrote:

    So, I have had the same experience with sexism. I tend to write off guys before I meet them sometimes. I think, as people whom are aware of the reality of any of the ‘isms’ in this world, we tend to see them all around us (and rightfully so). Anyway, I tend to try and befriend as many people as possible. I make the effort to treat people with respect (because people feel the same emotions, ect). Anyway, I sometimes feel like friends of my friends, who do not share the same ethnicity as me, don’t give me credit. And, honestly, because of the history of racism, I really can’t blame them. It’s frustrating, though.

  90. Torontonian wrote:

    There is a related topic at Stuff White People Do: express amazement when non-white people see them as “white”.

    The comments went from ‘discussion’ to train wreck. The last comment up to now is hilarious, because I have an absurdist sense of humour. Caspie said …

    macon,

    I think you’re spending way too much time here trying to have a discussion with two people [Nquest and Restructure] who aren’t discussing things with you in good faith. On the basis of their characterizations of you as a person, and their presumptions about you in this thread alone (let alone others), it’s obvious to me that, ironically enough, they fundamentally distrust you because you’re white (whether they’ve been able to admit that to themselves or not).

    Nquest’s labels of abject, desperate dishonesty (and his comparison of your hardworking anti-racist efforts to the arguments of a neo-Nazi–now there’s a great way to advance a discussion toward the goal of social justice!) and Restructure’s “astounding” condescension would’ve had me out the door a long, long time ago. Your patience lasts too long.

    You’ve got bigger fish to fry, and you fry them well in your posts (though yes, with misstatements here and there). Carry on, wayward son. There’ll be peace when you are done.

    I am Restructure, and Nquest and I are both non-white. Nquest and I thought that Macon D (who is white) was making a generalization about “what non-whites think”.

  91. eric daniels wrote:

    I am a cynic about better race relations because the battles are always ongoing, there is no “permanment peace” in the U.S.A. because everybody have bias or racial revenge on their minds. Groups want power for themselves like Mexican- Americans now want revenge on African- Americans for ignoring their politcal needs for 40 years in the Southwest and Western States (the reason Obama will lose in Nov) and they feel it’s “RAZA TIME” and every other group is fighting for power and friendship across racial lines is a luxury only the educated can afford.

    Alexis De Tocqueville was right over 150 years when he said that race would be an intracable problem for the sons of former slaves and the whites because one will remember for all time what was done to their humanity and the other wanting to forget will justify it’s exploitation of them in stark terms. Now you have multiple racial problems with no set of reasonable solutions in our personal and public spheres.
    That makes dialouge with the average person who does not blog or talk about these issues almost impossible.

  92. JamaiCan wrote:

    Wendi, I have learned over the past 31 years that when addressing a racially insensitive comment, you should never respond with “I’m offended” or “that’s racist” or with some other effect that personalizes the issue. It’s bigger than you. You have to make the issue about them.

    The best way to respond, I find, is to specifically and continually ask for further explanation. This usually gets the offender thinking. Eventually the offender, if not extremely stupid, will come to the conclusion that what they said is a poor reflection of their level of intelligence. Now keep in mind, there are a lot of stupid people in the world (Harvard grads included), so this may not always work. Though, it works for me fairly well in Canada.

    Regarding paranoia, I have no time for that. It requires too much time and effort. Besides, I’m Jamaican (grew up in Canada) and we are brought up with a very strong sense of self. Besides, those people who have a problem with you are only depriving themselves of a full life experience. You shouldn’t let the paranoia limit your life experience. Yes be weary(street wise), but don’t be scared(fearful).

  93. Tara wrote:

    1. If you are paranoid, who would blame you?
    2. I’m really not settled on this, but I think you’re right on both sides of the coin. Maybe your white friend *hasn’t* seen as as much of the ugly side of racism as you have. OR — co