Quoted: Joan Morgan on Feminism, Hip-Hop and Everything Else

Excerpted by Latoya Peterson

(All bold emphasis mine.)

Joan Morgan on…

…finding the truth

Trying to capture the the voice of all that is young black female was impossible. My goal, instead, was to tell my truth as best I could from my vantage point on the spectrum. And then get you to talk about it. This book by its lonesome won’t give you the truth. Truth is what happens when your cumulative voices fill in the breaks, provide the remixes, and rework the chorus.

— When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, intro.dress up, p. 26


…on coming out as a feminist

Feminism claimed me long before I claimed it, The foundation was laid by women who had little use for the word. [...] I did not know that feminism is what you called it when black warrior women moved mountains and walked on water. Growing up in their company, I considered these things ordinary.

—When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, the f-word, p. 35

…on white feminists

The spirits of these women were no where to be found in the feminism I discovered in college. Feminists on our New England campus came in two flavas – both variations of vanilla. The most visible were the braless, butch-cut, anti-babes, who seemed to think the solution to sexism was reviling all things male (except, oddly enough, their clothing and mannerisms) and sleeping with each other. They used made up words like “womyn,” “femynists,” and threw mad shade if you asked them directions to the “Ladies’ Room.” The others – straight and more femme – were all for the liberation of women as long as it did not infringe on their sense of entitlement. They felt that men should share the power to oppress. They were the spiritual descendants of the early suffragettes and absolutely not to be trusted.

—When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, the f-word, p. 35

…on racism and racial solidarity

White girls don’t call their men “brothers” and that made their struggle enviably simpler than mine. Racism and the will to survive it creates a sense of intra-racial loyalty that makes it impossible for black women to turn our backs on black men – even in their ugliest and most sexist of moments. I needed a feminism that would allow us to continue loving ourselves and the brothers who hurt us without letting race loyalty buy us early tombstones.

— When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, the f-word, p. 36

…on embracing the term

And there it was, the f-word all up in my face daring me to blanket myself in the yarns I’d spun to justify my rejection. Go on, girl. Deny me and tell this fool about cha lover and the butch-cut white girls and see if he gives a fuck. Searching for a viable, less volatile alternative I did a quick mental check of the popular epithets. Strong Black Woman. Womanist. Warrior Woman. Nubian Queen. Bitch. Gangsta Bitch. Bitches With Problems. Hoes With Attitude. None of them offered even the hint of protection.

Finally, I realized that in the face of sexism it didn’t matter what I called myself. Semantics would not save me from the jerks I was bound to run into if I continued to do this for a living nor would it save women from the violence of teenage boys who suffered from their own misconceptions of power and manhood. If I truly believed that the empowerment of the black community had to include its women, or that sexism stood stubbornly in the way of black men and women loving each other or sistas loving themselves, if acknowledged this both in print and in person then in any sexist’s eyes I was a feminist. Once I recognized these manifestations of black-on-black love as the dual heartbeats of black feminism, I was purged of doubt. I accepted his challenge with confidence.

— When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, the f-word, pp. 43-44

…on rap music

Any feminism that fails to acknowledge that black folks in ninties America are living and trying to love in a war zone is useless to our struggle against sexism. Though it’s often portrayed as part of the problem, rap music is essential to that struggle because it takes us straight to the battlefield. [...]

As a black woman and a feminist I listen to the music with a willingness to see past the machismo in order to be clear about what I’m really dealing with. What I hear frightens me. On booming track after booming track, I hear brothers talking about spending each day high as hell on malt liquor and Chronic. Don’t sleep. What passes for “40 and a blunt” good times in most of hip-hop is really alcoholism, substance abuse, and chemical dependency. When brothers can talk so cavalierly about killing each other and then reveal that they have no expectation to see their twenty-first birthday, that is straight up depression masquerading as machismo. [...]

This is crystal clear to me when I’m listening to hip-hop. Yeah, sistas are hurt when we hear brothers calling us bitches and hos. But the real crime isn’t the name-calling, it’s their failure to love us – to be our brothers in the way that we commit ourselves to being their sistas. But recognize: Any man who doesn’t truly love himself is incapable of loving us in the healthy way we need to be loved. It’s extremely telling that men who can only refer to us as “bitches” and “hos” refer to themselves only as “niggas.”
—When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, from fly girls to bitches and hos, pp. 72-75

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Comments

  1. gina wrote:

    There’s a reason why this book has been sitting, dog-eared on my “permanent” shelf for so long — it’s completely worth reading and rereading. Thanks for posting this.

  2. Big Man wrote:

    The last comment was so true it was scary. Damn. That was a breakdown of the problems facing black love today. It’s so obvious that that many of my brothers hate themselves or hate their lives. It’s hard to love a woman with all that hate in your heart.

  3. Stank-0 wrote:

    The last comment was real talk, but why? Could it be the sense of hopelessness?

    Police aren’t sent to protect us they are sent to protect from us. School and teachers (mostly female and white) are quick to dismiss us. Female-led households either give up fightin or don’t care. Every authority in society (except the black church) has given up hope on the black man.

    I didn’t deal with all of those things and only a snippet of one (police), but I can see where the depression would come from.

    If you have no hope of seeing 30, few things and people would start mattering to you.

  4. Jennifer wrote:

    I loved this book! I read it about a year ago, checked it out from the library along with “Colonize This!”

    This post just reminded me that I need to buy a copy of both for my bookshelf. They are definitely books I want to have around to refer to often.

  5. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    For the men –

    Joan really breaks down a lot of issues with black masculinty, depression, and pain in the book and in her further work. All of the men in my life has read this book and they love it because, somehow, they see themselves in it too.

    Now, there is much more to be said but I am not trying to copy the book out word for word! Those were just the first 45 pages!

    @ Jennifer and Gina –

    Yeah, y’all. I had it out on loan for a while, so I hadn’t looked at it in about a year. I cracked it open last night and is was like food for the starving.

  6. leftofemma wrote:

    While Morgan is a great writer and her book is great in many respects, I take issue with her ideas of feminism as presented in this exceprt. I think that, in this respect, her book is a little dated and we should keep in mind that some of her experiences are based in second wave feminist models. Feminists can no longer be simply divided into butch-radical-separatists or femme womyn.

    While third wave feminism does a better job of including PoC and the GLBTQ community, it’s not perfect. Women of color may still need to find a better word than feminism.

  7. L-K wrote:

    I’m absolutely ashamed that I have not come across this book.

    I have to get a copy of this book by the end of this week!

  8. NancyP wrote:

    Does she acknowledge the existence of black lesbians, including aggressives and old-style butches?

    Interesting – I have wondered if anyone publicized the concept of post-traumatic stress disorder in poor black urban men and youth. I am not a believer in diagnosis of individuals without face to face full diagnostic interview (no armchair psychologizing), but conditions would seem to be predisposing, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a fair proportion of poorer young black men / teens had PTSD.

  9. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    @leftofemma – Book was published in 1999, around the time when mainstream America was really just learning what feminism could be/is. The third wave wasn’t as prominent yet, and she is speaking from her college experience.

    @Nancy P – Nope, this book (and subsequent works by Morgan that I have read) focuses on heterosexual women with little to no concept of feminism and a love of hip-hop. I don’t recall aggressors being a part of the accepted cultural narrative until after 2000. She generally focuses on women to women relationships (in that enemy dynamic), women to men relationships, and the black community.

  10. CuntLovin wrote:

    This is my next book to read.

  11. gatamala wrote:

    Female-led households either give up fightin or don’t care

    Not.True.

  12. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Good catch gatamala.

    Maybe I should add the part where Joan is riffing on the men who grow up to hate/condemn women noting “Somewhere, some woman raised you. I don’t care if your momma was Crackhead Annie – grandma was there!”

  13. Deborah wrote:

    I enjoyed the excerpts and I’m definitely putting this in my “to read” pile, but something about this struck me as a little homophobic:

    “Feminists on our New England campus came in two flavas – both variations of vanilla. The most visible were the braless, butch-cut, anti-babes, who seemed to think the solution to sexism was reviling all things male (except, oddly enough, their clothing and mannerisms) and sleeping with each other. They used made up words like ‘womyn,’ ‘femynists,’ and threw mad shade if you asked them directions to the ‘Ladies’ Room.’”

    The whole “bra-less, butch-lesbian” description was seems rather unnecessary. As was her “anti-babe” comment, which smacked of “Women aren’t real women unless they’re conventionally attractive.” I know it was published nearly a decade ago, but still. It bugs me.

  14. sylvie wrote:

    “Racism and the will to survive it creates a sense of intra-racial loyalty that makes it impossible for black women to turn our backs on black men— even in their ugliest and most sexist of moments.”

    This really struck me and I think it’s applicable to all women of color. There’s this struggle for women to “choose” between fighting racism with men as a group and fighting sexism from men within that group.

  15. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Nancy P and Deborah –

    Yeah, it probably is. On first read, I assumed she was speaking about the stereotypical ideas surrounding feminism in order to debunk them with her prose and her narratives.

    But I can see what you’re saying.

    This is why I like this section of the intro:

    This book by its lonesome won’t give you the truth. Truth is what happens when your cumulative voices fill in the breaks, provide the remixes, and rework the chorus.

    J.M. is one hetero hip-hop feminist who spoke directly to my experience as a hetero woman who identifies with hip-hop culture. That is the part of her story she is interested in telling.

    But, I don’t think the story has to necessarily end there, right?

  16. Jo wrote:

    I’ve been thinking a lot lately about oppositional politics, identity politics, and their limitations, and this quote really summed it up for me:

    “White girls don’t call their men “brothers” and that made their struggle enviably simpler than mine. Racism and the will to survive it creates a sense of intra-racial loyalty that makes it impossible for black women to turn our backs on black men – even in their ugliest and most sexist of moments. I needed a feminism that would allow us to continue loving ourselves and the brothers who hurt us without letting race loyalty buy us early tombstones.”

    It’s never as simple as either/or, and I’m committed, now more than ever, to living a feminism that embraces and supports the tensions and struggles of both/and.

    I also really need to read this book, I can’t believe I haven’t come across it yet.

  17. Ali wrote:

    I’d heard about this book a couple years ago and never thought too much of it (the title kinda threw me for a loop). I’m absolutely going to pick it up now! I love that last line.

    @gatamala – Glad you pointed that out. I noticed as well.

  18. Brigitte wrote:

    I’m going to have to re-read that book.

  19. macintyre wrote:

    “This book by its lonesome won’t give you the truth. Truth is what happens when your cumulative voices fill in the breaks, provide the remixes, and rework the chorus.”

    That’s an awesome preface — it brings home the fact that individual political writings are sometimes meant to be a little polemical — meaning they venture out to a pole rather than trying to be THE truth.

  20. sfsinger wrote:

    Yeah me too.

  21. donna darko wrote:

    Awesome! She was one of the first “hip hop feminists.” I heard she got in a lot of trouble for writing this book.

  22. jvansteppes wrote:

    Whoa, that comment about sharing racism with the men of your community was so well put and especially poignant because so few white feminists think about it in the same way without being pushed to.

    The comment about butch women is a bit disappointing because while lots of butch women of that era [a community certainly not limited to white women!] were far from perfect, their limitations came out of a context that was VERY different from that of their Gloria Steinem resembling counterparts.

    Morgan has definitely glossed over so much of what they/we are about that perhaps she shouldn’t have included it at all. Which is not to say that a critique of white butch history/culture isn’t in order but I’d rather hear it from someone who knows more on that topic and/or is part of the community, Barbara Smith for example.

  23. Jha wrote:

    *adds book to reading list*

  24. thejoyprincess wrote:

    I read this when it came out back in college and I just couldn’t get down with it and I was sooooo desperate to because I had such a girlcrush on her magazine writing skills.

    Chickenheads was just too scattershot and simple for me though. Beverly Guy-Sheftall’s Words of Fire had turned me out and there was no going back, lol.

    Chickenheads makes for good gift giving though

  25. flabbyabby wrote:

    Why is there STILL this desire to connect with the feminazi party?!! The supposed ‘feminists’ especially the Steinems and Ferrraros have done everything humanly possible to make the movement all about them and make it ‘whites only’. They don’t even try to HIDE it anymore they are so blatant in their own racism and hypocrisy I’m surprised they can say anything from now on with a staright face. As for rap music get real black males were calling calling black women that and disrespecting black women looooong before that music even came out. Where’s all the outrage over that?!! Or Hollywood movies Hollywood has been calling black women bitches and hoes for YEARS but noone made a peep and another thing why is it when a white actress plays a prostitute it’s considred ‘dramatic’ yet I NEVER see black actress get nominated let alone w-i-n an Oscar for playing a prostitute.

  26. Sewere wrote:

    If you ever wonder why you criticism lacks any validity here’s where you lost all reasoning.

    Why is there STILL this desire to connect with the feminazi party?!!

    As to all your additional ramblings, do a google search for women and men who have criticized the depiction of Black, Native American, Latino and Asian women in everything mainstream since people started railing against the mainstream. Why don’t you start with Sojourner Truth.

  27. DivergentDana wrote:

    Ur breaking into my mind, steeling mah thoughts, Sewere… I was going to ask her if she was a Limbaugh fan.

  28. Tiffany wrote:

    Seems like a good book to read

  29. secondhandsally wrote:

    This book sounds amazing. I’m adding it to my to-read pile (and maybe moving it to the top). Thanks for writing about it.

  30. Riotgrrrl wrote:

    I absolutely loved this book!
    It really opened my eyes and expressed to me through raw emotion the perspective of another feminist whose experiences are completely different then mine.

    I must admit Iwas a little irritated at first when I read her dsmissal of white feminism and white feminist – as I felt attaked. But when I really thought about it, I realized that her depiction and dismissal was fueled by righteous and valid anger and frustration with the feminist movement, it made me reflect even more on myself and my place in society.
    The only part of the book I did not like is her chapter on reproduction.

    One of the best books I have read so far this year.